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so let me move on to christian
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interpretation and now
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um
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i’m at a handicap here because i’m not
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not a devout i’m not a christian per se
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i have a lot of sympathy and a lot of
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interest in
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uh christianity so let me just say that
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i’ll put that out there uh i’m not
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anti-christian in any way um but i’m not
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i i certainly don’t have
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uh the full like world view
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that a lot of christians especially
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biblically based christians have
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so um but i have number of friends who
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are
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and and they know that i respect them um
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with the christian interpretation
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of this
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um you know you have a lot of emphasis
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on the fact that this is the alien
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abduction phenomenon is something
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that is not a good thing first of all um
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uh in that sense it’s very similar to
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what people like david jacobs or bud
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hopkins would say but but their way of
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looking at it is
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not in a materialist way it’s a much
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more overtly spiritual way and
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particularly a way in which biblical
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interpretation is very very important
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obviously and not simply by the way uh
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like something like the book of
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revelations where you know you go down
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to like the mark of the beast uh and you
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know if you have the mark on your
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forehead or your right hand i think um
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you you know
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well this is really going to be on alien
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abduction but it’s it’s this is more new
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world order stuff mark of the beast yeah
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be careful because you won’t be able to
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buy and sell if you don’t have the mark
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of the beast whoops what’s that all
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about uh but you still do have um uh
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interpretations like the the famous
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phrase principalities of air i think
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that’s in paul um
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where you know you’re dealing with
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demonic entities not inter um
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interplanetary extraterrestrial entities
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and actually a lot of christian
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ufologists will refer to the book of
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enoch uh which is a non-canonical book
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uh it’s non-canonical both for jews and
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christians but it’s still it’s an
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important uh piece of writing it dates i
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think third century bce if i’m not
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mistaken i’m not a scholar of the book
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of enoch but but um
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but what it
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but what scholars have said about it
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is you can look at it as almost um
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uh literature based on
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a particular passage in the book of
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genesis where in genesis you get the
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statement about uh the elohim uh the and
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the nephilim uh the beings you know the
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elohim are divine beings who come down
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to earth and they have sex with women
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this is what they’re about and they’re
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the children of the nephilim uh known as
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uh the mighty men
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the mighty men of old i think that’s
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what is in the warriors
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of renown and that’s in genesis and
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that’s what you get the nephilim now
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from that you have the book of enoch um
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which is working off of this now enoch’s
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a pretty crazy story this much i could
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we could just say you got a situation
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uh where the nephilim are there they’re
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uh killing and devouring men they’re
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drinking their blood it’s really kind of
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graphic stuff
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uh
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and in the book of enoch you have the
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elohim they are the watchers they’re
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their their fallen angels
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teaching humans to do all kinds of nasty
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things at least nasty in the bible like
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occult things like divination and
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astrology and
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a lot of other nasty things
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and the
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they are the fathers of the nephilim so
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anyway god
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eventually sends angels to kick some
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butt and kick them out
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so that’s
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a really bad rendition of the book of
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enoch all of this is part of the uh what
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we would call the jewish apocalyptic
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texts again
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uh 400’s 300’s bc essentially or
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thereabouts
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um
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an interesting thing by the way about
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the book of enoch is that i think that
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is the first uh piece of literature
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anywhere where you get a genuine
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description of hell
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as we understand hell this is long
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before christianity you get in the book
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of enoch anyway i’m bringing this up
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here
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because these types of texts
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uh inform
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christians who are looking at the
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abduction phenomenon
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okay
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uh
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you know the idea of creating i mean you
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have the idea of hybrids right you have
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the these angels or fallen angels coming
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having sex with women creating a new
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race that’s a hybrid race
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so christians
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uh will look at this and they will look
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at the abduction phenomenon
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that with this idea of hey guess what
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this has happened before
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and it’s right there in the bible
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so
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you know
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i i should probably be careful about
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going too deep on this because i’m going
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to get in too deep i’m going to mangle
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this
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and for that reason i will be
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interviewing timothy albarino who knows
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this much better than i do and he can he
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can undoubtedly help me out with this
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but essentially we’re talking about
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an interpretation
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of a different kind of infiltration
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grounded in a reading of the bible
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essentially
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the watchers and the nephilim the
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hybrids
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basically now being transferred to a
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modern setting so in other words are
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are we dealing
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with
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extraterrestrials or are we dealing with
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fallen angels or demons all right
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that’s really the question
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and
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you know people either believe this or
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they don’t believe it there’s often not
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a lot of middle ground here but the fact
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is this is a
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definite interpretation
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of
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the whole abduction phenomenon and with
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an end game
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that’s also not a good end game and
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essentially the ultimate endgame from
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the christian interpretation
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um
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i think it’s fair to say would be a
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world in which
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uh the dark powers are seeking to
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dominate this world
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all right so of the three
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uh you have four interpretations i’ve
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given you skeptics you’ve got the
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uh
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the non-spiritual you’ve got the new age
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you’ve got the christian the you’ve got
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the christian and the
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and the
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the materialists are
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both are really looking at this as a
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bad thing
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and you got the let’s say the new age
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interpretation which is looking at this
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as a basically a wonderful thing a truly
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wonderful thing and then you got one
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interpretation that says ah don’t lose
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sleep over this a lot of other things in
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this world to worry about uh rather than
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non-existent alien uh abduction so those
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are the four that i really try to cover
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so here’s a question how do we make
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sense out of all this
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are we
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uh hopelessly doomed to argue and run
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around in circles due to completely
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incompatible world views on this
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well the answer is i don’t know i hope
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not all right
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what you can say though is that there
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are definite
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ideological influences on how people
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view this subject and so
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that’s a problem
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when i look at this like i don’t like
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that i don’t like the fact that
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uh so much of how we understand this
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seems to depend upon what is our prior
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ideological disposition when we come in
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and look at this
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all right so how do you come to a sense
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of what is real
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right how do you do that well the only
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thing i can i can say is like i’ll tell
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you how i try my best all right my own
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ideology is that i i try
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within the limitations that i have in my
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mind i try to be evidence-based
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evidence-based in how i approach this
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but with the realization with an
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important realization
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that we are in fact dealing with a
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subject that may not easily allow
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for the kind of scientific testing that
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say skeptics demand
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all right
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maybe there has been a level of
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scientific testing that has taken place
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in classified circles could be but it
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hasn’t happened in the public realm
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uh that scientists can imagine and it
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may not be as possible as we would like
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um
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i think that’s really possible like i’ve
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often thought like
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you know in in science
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uh for the scientific method to really
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have any validity
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you’ve got a scientist who’s got to be
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in theory they’re in control of the
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experiment if you’re studying microbes
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or bacteria or if you’re studying
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uh you know meteorites or whatever it is
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like you
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you’re creating
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uh your own parameters
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of what the experiment is going to
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include
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and you you measure
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and like you’re you’re the brains in
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charge of this operation not not the
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subject under study but what if the
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thing you’re studying is actually
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smarter than you what if the thing
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you’re studying doesn’t want you
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to
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analyze it what if it’s able to screw
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with you in different ways that you like
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it’s running circles around you what if
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that’s the case well you scientists may
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not have an easy time
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in studying this phenomenon and you can
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you can say well i have no ability to
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study this scientifically so i’m just
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going to leave it alone that’s your
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choice but there’s some of us who are
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like uh we think this is kind of
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important and even though we are
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in some ways outmatched by this we’re
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going to try anyway
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so what i feel is that i think
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that with with reasonable limits
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or i guess within reasonable limits we
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still have the ability to piece together
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a picture of what’s going on
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that is at least
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somewhat evidence-based
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and hopefully
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not driven by an ideology that is uh
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essentially external to the phenomenon
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itself so we want an ideology that is
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not
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driving our conclusions this is my
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opinion
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rather we want the evidence to drive us
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to the conclusions all right so when you
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come into this with a strong ideology
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beforehand you basically do two things
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one is
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you do give yourself a sense of
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completeness
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and like you know we figured it out
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we’ve got it that we have a complete
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uh answer to this that’s that’s what an
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ideology can do that’s one thing that’s
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the benefit of a comprehensive worldview
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that allows you to fit pretty much
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everything into it right so the
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christian worldview the new age
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worldview they both do that
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they both provide a framework into which
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you can fit
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pretty much everything
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and they are frameworks that pretty much
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automatically can lead you to a
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pre-ordained conclusion about how to
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interpret alien abduction in alien
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encounters
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that’s not to say that they are false
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it is not for me to say that they cannot
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be true
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either of them it just means for me
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that i’m leery
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of world views
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that seem to me intrinsically leading me
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to a conclusion about something
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by the very nature of this ideology if
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you follow me rather than by the
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evidence of the phenomenon itself that
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i’m studying
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all right now i don’t say that a
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materialist or non-spiritual perspective
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on alien abduction is always likely to
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be accurate either
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it really comes down to the amount of
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data
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the evidence that you can acquire
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um
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and how well you can analyze all that
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but it seems to me in principle that at
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least this approach isn’t as guilty of
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leading the witness so to speak
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it seems to me to be more likely an
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approach
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uh that can allow you to follow a
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scientific method
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at least in terms of trying to collect
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what data you can trying your best to
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interpret the data making your best
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guess at a conclusion
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now you could say is the skeptical
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approach is the ultimate employment of
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the scientific method and you might be
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right
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except that that approach if you’re
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really strict about it
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uh in my opinion seems likely to miss
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the boat on the true strangeness
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that frankly ufos and aliens uh seem to
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bring us right
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so as i’ve said countless times
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uh the ufo subject doesn’t behave
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ufos don’t behave the aliens don’t
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behave there’s an elusiveness to this
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sometimes a contradictory nature to what
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they do
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they don’t always make sense
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and yet they seem to be here
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so a strict scientific attitude of you
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know well there’s no proof so get back
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to me when you’ve got some proof
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to me that doesn’t really cut it either
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so for me i’m left with
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let’s say
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the
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non-spiritual or non-spiritually
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ideological approach is at least
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offering the most neutral way
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to study alien abductions that’s me
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that’s how i look at this for the record
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i actually have my own spiritual beliefs
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i personally think that some
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truly spiritual elements let’s bring on
61:36
the woo here
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apply to this subject that’s i believe
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after all these years like i started out
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25 years ago thinking i don’t want to
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get into any of that weird stuff well
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guess what i’ve i’ve encountered a lot
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of the weird stuff in this field that’s
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the reality
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i believe in the reality of remote
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viewing certainly i believe in the
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reality of telepathic communications
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between us and them them the aliens i
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believe that
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um they can manipulate space and time in
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ways that we cannot
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and
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i happen to believe in or at least let’s
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say
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i have faith in the existence of a soul
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and that’s my faith that’s my belief and
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if that is real
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if it is real
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then maybe some of these beings also
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have a soul or a spiritual component and
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maybe
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that’s
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something that’s very important in all
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of this as well
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okay there’s all kinds of hints
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here and there in abduction research
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that this actually is the case anyway
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all right so i’m not saying that i’m
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non-spiritual in my attitude about all
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this but i think that a non-spiritual
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approach as i have described it here
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offers
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the least biased or the least
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ideological approach
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to this subject
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and that is not to say by the way that i
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fully agree with all of david jacobs
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conclusions
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actually i don’t have full agreement
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with it i’ve got my own take for example
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on the notion of the great change i’ll
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get into that another time
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but
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i do think
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that we are very likely
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dealing with covert infiltration
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i do think that
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is this good
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well
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you know
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uh the new age people say that it is
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good
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uh what we have in this world think
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about the um
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think about the subject of transhumanism
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it’s actually very similar in a lot of
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ways when you deal with attitudes about
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transhumanism as we deal with adding
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attitudes about alien abduction
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uh there is a kind of almost i want to
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say political breakdown to this it’s
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really not hard to see right so you’ve
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got uh for example with transhumanism
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there are people who believe this is
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going to be great we’re going to change
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human the very human nature itself human
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nature is itself plastic can be changed
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uh
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it’s you know it’s constantly in a
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change of a state of change anyway we’re
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just going to change it the way we want
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it to be you’re going to live for 500
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years you’re going to have uh you know
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little nanobots be keeping you young all
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the time in your body and you’re gonna
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have uh connect take action to the cloud
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and you’re gonna be like have an iq of
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like 500 or whatever
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how awesome that will be okay maybe um
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i i actually am not a fan of
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transhumanism i think it’s actually
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gonna be a very dangerous uh anti-human
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thing but it may happen anyway who
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doesn’t really matter what i think
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frankly uh this could very well happen
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but my point is that there are people
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who think transhumanism is going to be
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an absolutely wonderful and necessary
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thing
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a necessary transformation and then
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there are people who are like this is
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not what i have in mind for a good
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future
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um
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and it’s the same with the alien
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abduction thing um i think you know
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there’s there are folks who are like
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we need to go to
65:05
something beyond what we are
65:08
what we are as
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this current kinds of human beings are
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really
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ultimately they say we’re not good
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enough this isn’t good enough we’ve got
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to have something that’s better that’s
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beyond
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and
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i do think it is fair to say
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that among the transhumanists and
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uh the ascensionists let’s just say that
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uh there’s a utopianism there
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in both strains that on a personal level
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i find uh dangerous i i actually think
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utopians
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tend to be very dangerous people
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uh well-meaning some often but but
65:44
dangerous nonetheless i mean after all
65:46
you know the greatest totalitarians of
65:48
the 20th century were all utopians every
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last one of them uh so just think about
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that robespierre of the french
65:54
revolution classic utopian you know
65:56
these are not people that you want to
65:57
let into your house or run your city or
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your society let’s face it
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and there’s a strong utopianism in all
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of the transhumanists and the ascension
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communities and
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uh i’m leery of that
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so um
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and then on the other hand there’s the
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skepticism but is is total skepticism on
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transformation a good idea as well
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here’s the fact
66:20
the human race has been going through
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changes ever since we’ve been humans
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um which in my opinion has been many
66:27
hundreds of thousands of years since we
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evolved ultimately out of homo erectus
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and homo heidelbergensis and you know if
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they find any other intermediary species
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we’ve we have been transforming
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ourselves
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for a long time and since we’ve had
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settled agriculture in the last 10 000
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years or less actually we’ve been
66:45
continuing to transform we’re not the
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same physiologically that we were but
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when we were hunters and gatherers we’re
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going through changes physiologically
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psychologically probably brain chemistry
66:56
who knows all right
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and and it’s happening pretty quickly
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so it’s it’s foolish i think for us to
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think that our
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uh
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destiny
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is to remain exactly as we are
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forever like i don’t i just don’t think
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so so there’s some kind of middle ground
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here in all of this that we’re dealing
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with
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that’s a whole other issue so i’m going
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to wind this down um i i brought this up
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again as i said in the beginning as a
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way to
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have a process of thinking about of
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reintegrating important issues into ufo
67:33
studies or ufology and i do think that
67:36
we um
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if we’re not careful we’re in danger of
67:41
losing sight of some of the important
67:44
elements of this field
67:46
in the whole realm of
67:48
talking about disclosure or talking
67:50
about military uap or things like that
67:53
all of that’s important i’m personally
67:55
interested in i’m sure you are but
67:57
there’s more to the ufo subject than
67:59
just that all right there’s a lot of
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weird uncomfortable stuff that this
68:03
subject involves that i think we need to
68:06
remind ourselves of and that’s why i
68:08
wanted to talk about these different
68:09
interpretations of the alien presence
68:11
here
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um
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i look at this as an exploration
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not as a definitive like there’s no way
68:20
you’re going to solve this in one
68:22
youtube video okay let’s just face it so
68:25
this is something that i think will
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require uh and i like i hope to do this
68:29
to come back to this theme in the future
68:32
maybe explore different aspects whether
68:34
it’s of the alien presence or other
68:37
aspects of the ufo phenomenon that are
68:39
really not getting talked about enough
68:42
that need it so um
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there you go
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i hope
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i hope you
68:48
found this interesting it’s a little
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long for uh
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the pattern is just a hundred years
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yes the difference between the the
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septuagint and the masoretic just over
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and over there’s a difference of 100 100
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100.
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um
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and then this chart may be one that you
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we may want to talk about a bit which
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this lays out this is the chronology
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you know of the septuagint in a timeline
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graph basically so there you’ve got the
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dates over here from adam to noah and
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then from shem the son of noah until
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abraham
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and what i did is up here across the top
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it starts at can’t really read that
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that’s 5600 and this is like uh 1800 and
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so what i did is i just laid out that’s
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the law that’s the longevity of the life
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of the patriarchs before the flood
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the flood is right here basically it
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occurs when the patriarchs are at this
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point
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there’s methuselah his life ends right
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then lamech’s life ended then or ended a
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little before then
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little before then
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noah is goes through the flood
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all right there’s the flood and then
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shem is born just um
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shem is born 100 years
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before the flood
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and then he they’re on the ark for like
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a basically a year and then he has 101
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when he uh begets uh our pitch to add if
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i remember right
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so and then you’ve got all these what
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you see of course is the declining ages
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most of the ages are around 900 years
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prior to the flood and then they start
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changing
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something happened here of course some
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predicted this was a water canopy that
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enveloped the earth i think it’s more
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likely that it was just the beginning of
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the accumulation of mutations that were
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occurring and that may have that may
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have been due to some kind of
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atmospheric difference but as the as the
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mutations begin to accumulate
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the lives begin to
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you know get shorter and shorter you
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know and god says that the you know the
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time of man shall not increase not not
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be greater than 120. and so you kind of
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get down to where you’re at you know at
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jacob and jacob’s basically 120 years
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and
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the pharaoh says gosh you you know
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you’re really old you know how old are
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you and he goes like i think he says i’m
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116 or something like that
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yeah and uh and the pharaoh’s married
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and he goes oh well i’m my age is
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nothing you should have you should
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understand the ages of the patriarchs
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before me you know how they work
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400 years 500 years 600 years is shim
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all right yeah so you lay all these side
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by side and you can see that from the
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time
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that noah
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died
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until the time that abraham is born
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it’s
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881 years
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all right
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now hold that in mind i got to go find
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the other chart
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okay i think i i think i actually have
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it you have it i think you can actually
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have it yeah but before um before we go
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there can we look at this
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real quick because
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um i think there some people might be
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asking the question if there’s a
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discrepancy is it that
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the mass erratic was shortened or was it
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that the
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um
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septuagint was lengthy right like is it
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like which which one really is it and
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the
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what i refer to as the smoking gun
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because we know there’s a difference of
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100 so are we adding 100 years are we
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taking them away right if we look at uh
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nahor here
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his begetting age
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um
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yeah he was 79
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to begin
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septuagint but he was 29 to beget
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in
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in um in the mesoretic right
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and then you have the strange thing
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though that terra bumps back up to 130
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years
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all right and that they probably had
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some kind of you know ironclad they know
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that the exact age you know because it’s
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in the scriptures the exact age of
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terror when abraham was born the exact
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age of abraham when isaac was born so
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basically you can’t meddle with those
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dates but you can meddle with nehor shoe
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rug peru you know peleg rue and so forth
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and so they they couldn’t meddle with
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those those last four generations
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because those were all fixed in their
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scriptures yeah
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right
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so one thing that should stick out is
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that like the pattern is a hundred years
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but then for some reason the is
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only 50 right and you know we point out
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if you look at the beginning age i was
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looking at the wrong chart it was 79
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here if we take away a hundred from 79
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then we’re getting into like yeah you
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know thank you
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or you know this person
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negative 21 years he was he he birthed
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tara uh 21 years before he was born
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before he was born
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i had forgotten that’s the reason why
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and we do it is talked about in the book
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i do mention that in the book yeah and
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if you go back over to the left side
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yeah if you see the left side you see
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that the beginning ages are 135 hundred
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thirty hundred thirty hundred thirty
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four hundred thirty hundred thirty two
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hundred and thirty all right so the
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beginning ages
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for the
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the patriarchs were about 130 years this
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didn’t have to be their first son it
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might have been their third son or their
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fourth son but it’s the what i call the
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son of promise it’s the sun yeah for
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which the messiah would come
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right but all of a sudden it jumps down
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with mahor
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to 79 and so you’re right if if naors uh
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you know and tara’s uh beginning age was
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130 so if nejors had been 130 as well
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they could take 100 years out of it it’d
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be fine but it wasn’t he begat tara at a
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very young age for
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people that were the time yeah
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for that time
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and uh yeah i do i believe that you know
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adam led to be 900 years yes i do
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um but you know that’s that’s kind of a
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sidebar issue so yeah that’s the reason
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why nahor um
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you know uh and all the all the ages
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before there are
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you know in the masoretic text they’re
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30 34 30 32 30
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29 um you know even though you know
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isaac was born to abraham when he was a
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hundred uh so that was still possible
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for a man to have a son at 100.
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um he needed to have a fertile wife
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so he did god god made that so
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yeah
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so anyway so there you have
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you know the um
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those are the the dates now okay let me
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hush and you take this where you want it
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to go
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no i just wanted to point that out
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because for someone that might be
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skeptical of this i mean this is just
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oh yeah it’s just the raw numbers and
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that
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[Music]
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there is a question you were asking let
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me answer that um because i remember
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some accuse me for excuse me for
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interrupting you the the jews uh and the
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others were criticizing the the uh the
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scholars that put together the
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septuagint they were saying well the
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egyptians have these massively old
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pharaohs and ancient you know ancient uh
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history
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and the jews that lived in alexandria
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they were just jealous and so they
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inflated inflated the ages
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you know all this all these ages that
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we’ve shown for them the argument was
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they inflated them however what’s the
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argument against that you’ve got three
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different chronographers
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that
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that basically
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they said no before
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you know the master org text even came
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into play you had three other
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chronographers that were nailing the
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same dates they were showing the same
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dates the you know the
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53 500 bc date and so forth and so the
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sub-tangent comes along with the proper
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dates and it all just fits together it
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fits like a glove
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yeah
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so if you we talk about inflation as far
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as if you just look at the numbers like
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i could easily add a hundred years to
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regardless of what age and these
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patriarchs were it’d be no problem so
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the question here the big question for
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me when i looked at this was why 50 and
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not 100 and there’s the answers because
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they couldn’t they couldn’t do 100. and
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so that that is the evidence right there
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that this is not inflation that this is
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a reduction yeah it is that and i think
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i call it that in the book it is the
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this is the smoking gun
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it is it is yeah yeah so anyway i wanted
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to point that out uh yeah that’s great
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take away one thing from this chart that
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was the one thing that i took away that
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okay there’s a huge there’s a
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discrepancy um and we have to now we
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have to do something with discrepancy
67:37
let’s say which one’s correct okay is it
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is it that
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that this one um was inflated or
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deflated correct or is this deflated
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news and craig and and and there it is
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it’s deflated it’s the only way to make
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it to make it work i think anyway um
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so
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the other chart that was really
67:54
interesting is what you’re getting to
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and i i think i haven’t pulled up
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if you don’t have it
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available
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um yeah yeah so this is um
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in comparison to what we looked at
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earlier right
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yeah what we’re going to show here is
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the incredible overlap
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once you
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once you change these years
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once you change the you you subtract out
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the 1386 years
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what you what you discover
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uh and this is what just slays me that
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you know scholars like douglas petrovich
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and others that have done work in this
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area
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they they cannot they don’t see this and
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it’s just stunning to me but anyway what
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what this says is that what i show here
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is i show
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the death of noah all right and his at
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his age according to the masoretic was
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it was in 19
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yeah 1998 these years are so
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uh deflated from what they were the
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flood in 2348 so there’s the flood again
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in these yellow right that was death now
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look at this
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if you go down when noah’s noah’s alive
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with sham with arctic shad with kanan
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who they leave out
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he’s live at the same time as shayla
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he’s alive at the same time of peleg
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he’s alive at the same time of roux he’s
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alive at the same time as surrog he’s
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alive at the same time does mahor he’s
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alive at the same time as tara
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he’s alive at the birth of
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abraham
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man
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so
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yeah so yeah so it’s like
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and of course i pointed out you know as
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one of the other scholars said you know
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that god promised abraham that he’d
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lived to a ripe old age of 120
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and abraham could have said well what do
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you mean all these all my ancestors
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going back 12 generations or 10
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generations are still alive and they
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live to be a lot older than i did well
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noah himself had to be 100 900 years old
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150 years why am i why am i living in an
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old age at 120. you know god you’re
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obviously smoking something god
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and so
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so
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this is another smoking gun is is how
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the compression leads to
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nonsense in terms of
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the uh you know the generations and and
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where they you know how they stack up
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and so forth so the septuagint provides
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a logical
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uh separation 881 years from the death
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of noah until the birth of abraham and
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see what is this where does this mess
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things up well think about abraham going
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to egypt
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all right abraham goes goes to egypt and
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it’s only been 300 years
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from the flood
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and the egyptians have built their
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entire civilization according to the
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young earthers and according to the
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those that are like the king james
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people
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so in 300 years they built all the
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pyramids they built everything that
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they’ve built you know they’ve
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discovered themselves they conquered you
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know each other the offspring of
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different uh folks that that were you
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know the prodigy of noah and shem and so
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forth and so
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you know so abraham is is there and he’s
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seeing these things in egypt
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all right
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and so it’s relatively recent you know
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relatively recent it’s only 300 years
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earlier it’s kind of like for us saying
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united states okay well go back to 1700
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you know um
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and and you know so it’s like you know
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things aren’t that different you know
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but now think about it though if it’s
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been
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800
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it’s been really 881 plus you know
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abraham’s age at that time maybe it was
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70 i forget so it’s been almost a
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thousand years
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all right so think about what egypt
71:40
could have done during that thousand
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years and how different egypt would be
71:44
as a result of those thousand years
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all right there would have been
71:49
completely have would have lost touch
71:51
with the biblical record
71:53
which they did yeah right completely
71:55
created a brand new religion and so
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forth and so on and so uh it changes the
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way we think about these stories
72:03
and it basically says all of a sudden
72:05
the masoretic text
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has been teaching us nonsense
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for 2 000 years
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except for the the greeks uh orthodox
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church the eastern roman the eastern
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catholic church
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because it was early catholic church as
72:20
well just the eastern versus the western
72:22
they were still they had the septuagints
72:24
so they knew these things but it was
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jerome’s mistake and jerome really was
72:29
at fault here jerome got very sassy
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he learned hebrew he had moved back to
72:35
bethlehem
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from
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rome i think yeah he was in rome he
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moved to bethlehem he learned hebrew
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from the jews that were living in
72:43
jerusalem and this would have been about
72:44
370
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a.d
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and so after he is convinced that he
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knows hebrew and by the way he was one
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of the very few patriarchs that knew
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hebrew the rest of them were all greek
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they knew latin but greek was still the
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greek that was the uh you know the
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language of the bible
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all right so jerome goes back he decides
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that he’s going to build the catholic
73:06
bible
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off of the hebrew originals because
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obviously they would be more accurate
73:12
than the greek septuagint all right so
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that’s what he thought now
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uh augustine sadagasti or augustine you
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know as i would probably pronounce it
73:22
he wrote a letter and he campaigned uh
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highly he knew that jerome was building
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a latin version of the bible and he
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basically said jerome you need to be
73:32
translating the latin version from the
73:35
septuagint from the greek not from the
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hebrew because the hebrew has been
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changed
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justin martyr proved that 200 years
73:44
before wow
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in the dialogue with trifo which was
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written around 160 a.d
73:50
he talks about that in detail i make i
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provide those quotations in the book all
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right
73:55
where justin martyr basically points out
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all the changes that had been made
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in the
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uh in the hebrew bible by the rabbis
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right so augustine is trying to convince
74:06
jerome that he should be using
74:09
the septuagint he says look the
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septuagint’s been you know that’s it’s
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been our bible it’s served us well for
74:14
over 300 years why are you
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wanting to go back to the hebrew
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well it was it was probably pride on uh
74:23
jerome’s part
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and you saw the same mistake with the
74:26
reformers reformers you know essentially
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they had the catholic bible and they had
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the um greek orthodox and septuagint
74:36
but when the geneva bible was built
74:38
predominantly by calvin and then later
74:40
the martin you know or earlier the
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martin luther bible they also relied on
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the masoretic text
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and so they carried forward the same
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errors that jerome carried forward
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all right so that’s why christendom it’s
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with the exception of the of the eastern
74:54
orthodox church the greek orthodox
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russian orthodox etc
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you know has been based on the masoretic
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text
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and has been based on these lies about
75:04
the ages of the patriarchs
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and it has done the church no favor
75:09
because it has created discrepancies and
75:11
and
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you know basically made it harder for
75:14
people to believe because you knew the
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history was wrong
75:18
yeah so
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and when you go back you say well the
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flood occurred really more like 3350
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well it’s kind of interesting world
75:25
history says that almost all the
75:26
civilizations of the world china india
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uh even egypt they all started about
75:32
3100 bc they didn’t start at 2300 bc and
75:38
so they align with the septuagint and so
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that’s you know the evidence is as i
75:43
said i think it’s very compelling
75:45
it really is uh you mind if we end the
75:47
share not at all let me let me stop this
75:50
year
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um we’ve made those points evan we
75:53
probably beat the beat the dead horse
75:55
no but i think those those charts are
75:57
really eye-opening and enlightening yeah
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when you look at that
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um
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that compression it just looks so
76:05
unnatural
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um right yeah you have to buy into the
76:08
idea that the patriarchs live to be 900
76:11
years you know and that they it begins
76:13
to slowly
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you know trickle down trickle down until
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they don’t live to be
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130 120 years
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yep yep
76:23
um
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wow so
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so let me
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let me have i’ll kind of just close with
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uh
76:35
kind of your last chapter
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in the book yeah this is where i get
76:39
myself in real trouble
76:41
um and so it uh you kind of
76:45
almost kind of close your thought on on
76:48
kind of what we’ve been discussing
76:50
um
76:51
and you know you like you said you kind
76:52
of get into the tower of babel you get
76:55
into
76:56
abraham and the timeline and kind of
76:58
putting that back in context and having
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it just fit and make more sense talked
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about peleg
77:04
but then you kind of dedicate the last
77:05
chapter to
77:07
um
77:08
old earth young earth old earth yeah so
77:11
um why did you why did you want to put
77:13
that uh
77:14
as a part of this book and kind of give
77:16
your case for it yeah i think it’s
77:18
because
77:19
you know i’m i’m foolish
77:23
no no i you know i’m just i’m this
77:26
curious kid you know and so i’ve sort of
77:29
i’ve i’ve kind of like had my eyes wide
77:31
open you know to all these to the
77:32
changes and so then i’m going to go say
77:34
well okay so
77:36
you know 7 500 years ago
77:39
adam
77:40
was created well all right so let’s
77:42
think about that for a second how
77:44
you know what was going on at that time
77:46
what had happened is there any chance
77:48
that
77:49
that the world was covered with water
77:52
that when the spirit of god first you
77:54
know genesis 1 2
77:56
uh 1-3 when you know the spirit of god
77:59
hovered in the waters
78:01
you know
78:02
were those
78:03
waters waters that were actually
78:05
covering the earth
78:07
um
78:08
and this is generally known in the in
78:10
old earth tradition
78:12
as this is the luciferic flood
78:15
in that something happened
78:17
uh and i put i tried to put this in a
78:19
timeline i said something happened
78:22
about 9600
78:25
bc
78:26
that
78:27
that destroyed the world
78:29
and you see evidence of this
78:31
in a wide variety of places around the
78:33
world before that period of time you had
78:36
pyramids all over the world
78:38
you had in the egyptian pyramids were
78:40
probably
78:41
not built in 2600 bc
78:44
as the egyptians want you to believe
78:47
they were probably built
78:49
at 10 000 bc
78:51
all right so let’s go with that for a
78:52
second let’s say that they were built 10
78:54
000 bc
78:55
all right so if so
78:57
what happened
78:59
well we know about a number of you know
79:01
this thing called the younger driest
79:03
driest event
79:04
uh we know that there was a meteor that
79:06
hit the earth supposedly in this context
79:11
around
79:12
oh i think it was around 11 000 bc
79:16
something happened and it created
79:19
a colder climate
79:21
and and then
79:22
then there was a massive flood
79:25
that happened probably around
79:28
9500 bc
79:30
and the earth
79:32
may have been under water for 2000 years
79:36
and all of life would have been
79:37
destroyed except
79:39
sea life
79:41
because sea life if i remember right
79:43
that’s the only life
79:45
well sea life in the no i think all life
79:47
was destroyed including sea life because
79:48
there was no sunlight
79:50
um
79:51
and the uh the aquatic life at the time
79:54
of noah’s flood it can it continued
79:57
after it was still living but in this
80:00
time frame the the fish and everything
80:00
time frame the the fish and everything
80:03
would have would have died the earth was
80:05
without any form of life
80:07
and so
80:09
the old earth folks believe
80:11
that
80:12
when it says the earth was
80:14
without form and void
80:17
this verse two of the book of genesis is
80:21
picked apart
80:22
very meticulously by scholars to try to
80:25
understand
80:27
what are these words tohu
80:29
tohu
80:30
vohu
80:32
which was you know
80:34
uh the earth was formless and void what
80:36
does that really mean tohu vohu
80:40
and so you’ve got two different opinions
80:42
one is it basically means just the way
80:43
it’s sort of translated in the king
80:45
james but the other way it could be
80:48
translated is that the earth became
80:51
formless
80:53
and way and a wasteland or void of life
80:57
all right so and darkness was on the
80:59
face of the deep and the spirit of god
81:01
hovered over the waters brooded over the
81:04
waters i think is the way one
81:05
translation has it the brooding almost
81:08
is like
81:08
life it’s all gone it’s been killed
81:11
the spirit of god i want to restore it
81:14
and so
81:15
the god so god restores
81:18
the creation and recreates life on earth
81:22
and uh you know what effect does this
81:24
have in other planets you know i have
81:26
some ideas on mars you know about the
81:28
fact that there may have been a satanic
81:31
uh or luciferic
81:33
uh you know race that lived on mars at
81:36
one time i talked about that in the book
81:38
um flying wonders of the red planet
81:41
and uh but anyway i try to look at all
81:43
these ideas and and the ideas of robert
81:46
shock who’s this geologist from the
81:48
boston university
81:49
and uh he believes
81:51
he talks about
81:53
the fact that africa the sahara desert
81:55
was originally a tropical
81:58
it was a tropical area
82:00
and all this evidence for this tropical
82:03
area and then he goes through and he
82:06
points out all the evidence for
82:08
the the runoff of water
82:10
across the the temple
82:12
that surrounds the sphinx
82:14
and he shows how it would have been
82:17
not hundreds but thousands of years of
82:20
water runoff that created the um the
82:23
topography if you will the sort of
82:25
surface conditions surrounding the
82:27
sphinx
82:29
and even the weathering of the sphinx
82:30
itself
82:32
and so
82:33
he can he computes that that the earth
82:37
was uh in this state
82:40
at least 7000 bc and perhaps as early as
82:44
10 000 bc
82:46
yeah and so he has this evidence there
82:49
was a a show
82:51
documentary charlton heston actually
82:54
i talk about it and show some pictures
82:55
from it uh where he talks about robert
82:57
shock and john anthony west who’s this
82:59
other just paulus egyptologist who who
83:02
believes that
83:04
you know egypt had been around for
83:06
thousands of years before uh adam was
83:09
created
83:10
and um so i i don’t believe in evolution
83:12
i believe adam was specifically created
83:15
by god a special creation of god but i’m
83:18
saying i think he was
83:19
you know god did what it says in genesis
83:22
1 he did
83:24
it’s just that the earth
83:26
existed it was covered in water
83:28
and there was no no light that was
83:32
coming to earth it was covered in clouds
83:34
like all the other planets like jupiter
83:36
and saturn and uranus and neptune and so
83:38
forth uh
83:40
are covered in clouds and mars may have
83:42
been at one time although mars was
83:44
probably a moon to a planet that was
83:46
destroyed hence the reason we have
83:48
asteroids between mars and jupiter
83:50
that’s that gets into those that are
83:51
interested in this go read lying wonders
83:53
of the red planet because i cover all
83:55
the stuff in about the nature of mars so
83:58
uh anyway so that’s you know so that’s
84:00
kind of so i’m curious about those
84:02
things and i’m sort of saying well how
84:03
can i potentially how would i reconcile
84:05
these things
84:06
if the alternate history
84:09
of robert
84:11
shock
84:12
robert duvall
84:13
graham hancock
84:15
john anthony west all these guys that
84:17
have written so many books
84:19
on uh what was going on in a pre-adamic
84:24
civilization
84:26
that there was a highly sophisticated
84:28
advanced civilization
84:30
that existed
84:32
prior to 10000 bc
84:34
all right so if that occurs how do you
84:36
reconcile that with the bible
84:38
so it’s another area of potential
84:41
conflict between science although it’s
84:45
you know archaeologists don’t really
84:46
want to buy into graham hancock and
84:48
robert braval’s points of view but
84:50
nevertheless it’s another area of
84:52
conflict and so i wanted in my mind at
84:54
least to try to reconcile how can i how
84:57
can i you know still believe in the
85:00
biblical creation story and yet also
85:02
understand that there may have been an
85:04
atlantis
85:06
you know as plato talks about which by
85:09
the way you know his view was in the
85:11
same timeframe 1000bc
85:13
and so perhaps there’s you know truth to
85:16
all that and and that you know the the
85:18
idea of the luciferic flood and the
85:20
creation that god didn’t create the
85:22
world in genesis you know three and
85:25
beyond he recreated the world
85:27
yeah
85:28
yeah no i uh that’s why i did it
85:32
no i
85:33
i thought it was fascinating because
85:34
there’s that’s a i think it’s a big
85:35
question uh for a lot of people that
85:38
bought into
85:39
uh young earth they tie that to adam and
85:41
eve and they make those um
85:44
mutually exclu yeah i don’t think they
85:46
are usually just because i think you can
85:48
you can still
85:50
believe in a young
85:52
adam and eve right in old earth they
85:55
they’re not in conflict with one another
85:57
um i’m glad you put it in there out and
85:59
that was a that was a very fascinating
86:00
chapter did you did you uh look
86:03
carefully at the uh discussion in the
86:05
garden of eden
86:08
the pictures talk about where the garden
86:10
of eden was located and so forth
86:12
in book two
86:14
yes
86:17
well i showed the you know the pictures
86:19
kind of going in from outer space down
86:22
into where i believe the garden of eden
86:24
was and i’m not alone there’s several
86:26
scholars that that argue this
86:28
and the garden of eden was not at the
86:30
base of the tigris and euphrates you
86:33
know in the in the persian gulf that’s
86:35
where a lot of people think well it was
86:36
in the persian gulf you know ken ham
86:37
that’s where it was persian gulf now you
86:40
know it actually was at the other end of
86:42
those rivers it was where the rivers
86:43
were uh the headwaters as they’re called
86:46
the headwaters of the tigers and
86:47
euphrates and there are two other rivers
86:49
that are mentioned in genesis
86:51
uh
86:52
the pisan and one other one actually i
86:54
forget but anyway
86:56
i showed the pictures of the current uh
86:59
geography in those areas the topography
87:02
the surface
87:03
and the volcano the waters that run
87:06
there that are the headwaters of the
87:07
euphrates euphrates and tigris and um i
87:11
walked through all that and talked about
87:13
that where that’s located which i think
87:15
is pretty interesting
87:16
is uh probably less than 50 miles from
87:20
this the the town or city of iran which
87:23
is where uh abraham was with his father
87:26
tara
87:27
and um when abraham came from ur of the
87:30
cauldes that wasn’t er down by
87:33
persian gulf it was ur somewhere in
87:34
turkey
87:35
and that’s really where um
87:38
abraham came he came down rather than
87:41
going up he came down to haran but it’s
87:44
it appears to be that this same haran
87:47
it’s right in the same vicinity is where
87:48
the garden of eden was
87:50
um the the garden of eden was
87:53
perhaps on this mountain and i’d show
87:55
the pictures of the volcano now you may
87:57
want to go back and look at it you may
87:58
have skipped over it but um there’s just
88:01
a tremendous amount of evidence that
88:02
that’s where it was and then the other
88:05
data point that i that i bring up is
88:07
is somewhere around
88:09
7 000 years ago
88:12
naturalists have said the first wheat
88:16
was cultivated
88:18
exactly in that area
88:21
wow of course bread
88:23
may have been developed right in that
88:26
same
88:27
along the side of that volcano and all
88:29
the all the dirt of the volcano by the
88:31
way is extremely red
88:34
which adam means red
88:36
yeah yeah so
88:39
um so anyway i think people will find
88:40
that as an interesting bonus
88:42
uh as well and so uh i challenged
88:45
standalone a bit on his view that it’s
88:47
in africa um yeah knew that it’s
88:50
actually discoverable ken ham would have
88:52
a has a fit would have a fit over what
88:54
i’m arguing because he’d say oh the
88:56
flood destroyed all of that you know the
88:58
noah’s flood destroyed all that well
89:00
not necessarily the flood the
89:02
destruction of the flood it still may
89:04
have been worldwide water but where the
89:06
mud went and where how it wiped out
89:08
rivers and things like that
89:10
you know we don’t know and this whole
89:12
area may have been raised you know above
89:14
the flood after the flood was going on
89:16
and may not have been the rivers and all
89:18
that you know may not have been
89:20
destroyed the headwaters may still been
89:22
where they were
89:25
so
89:26
more fun to think about right yeah you
89:29
have a couple more questions uh on on
89:31
old earth and one is you you brought up
89:34
some
89:34
uh like uh
89:36
evidence or an argument for it that i
89:38
never heard before and that was out of
89:40
second peter
89:41
um
89:42
yeah so i don’t know if you have that
89:43
verse but in my notes i just have that
89:45
uh
89:46
you know he talks about out of water and
89:48
by water the world was formed yeah yeah
89:52
he talks about different ages and he
89:54
makes the statement it’s uh in second
89:56
peter chapter three where he talks about
89:59
you know the liars and those people that
90:01
will scoff the scoffers will come and so
90:03
forth he goes they’re so foolish because
90:05
they believe that this age is like the
90:07
age before or maybe the age before that
90:10
and each of these ages has certain
90:12
characteristics and so the age after the
90:15
flood
90:16
you know that we’ve been living in is a
90:18
certain way and the age before the flood
90:21
may have been a certain way which it was
90:24
but
90:24
was he saying
90:26
actually the age was before
90:28
adam
90:29
that there was an age and he could
90:31
certainly interpret it that way
90:33
that you know the world otherwise he’s
90:35
saying everyone thinks the scoffers
90:38
think that they believe in uh what’s it
90:41
called uniformitarianism in geography
90:43
that word basically means that the
90:45
present is key is the key to the past so
90:47
if we want to know what it was like five
90:49
thousand years ago all we have to look
90:51
at is the processes that exist today the
90:53
way things die the way things are buried
90:55
et cetera et cetera that all this
90:57
happened exactly the same way five
90:59
thousand years ago ten thousand years
91:00
ago fifteen thousand years ago
91:02
that’s the uniformitarian uh principle
91:05
well what’s the what’s the alternative
91:07
view catastrophism
91:09
catastrophism is the con is the other
91:11
view which is that these biblical events
91:14
are the basis for how the earth was
91:17
formed and the surface of the earth and
91:19
how the earth appears today it was done
91:22
not by uniformitarianism or uniform
91:25
processes but by catastrophes whether
91:28
it’s meteorites hitting the earth or the
91:31
you know the waters of the deep opening
91:33
up you know that some these things have
91:36
happened that are
91:37
radical and different
91:39
than what’s going on right now and so
91:42
that’s really what peter may have been
91:44
saying is that the next stage is is
91:47
going to be different than this age you
91:49
know and so you can’t assume that the
91:51
president’s the key to the past or the
91:53
president’s the key to the future
91:54
something’s going to rock the world and
91:56
it’s going to radically change things
91:58
and we’re going to go into a new eon or
92:01
you know or sometimes pronounced aeon
92:03
a-e-o-n a new a new age remember when
92:06
that word is the greek word that’s
92:07
actually christ says you know and behold
92:09
i’m with you uh until the end of the age
92:12
and that’s what you’ve seen until the
92:14
end of this eon
92:16
all right so
92:17
but it so at the end of that eon comes
92:20
the next eon which is the millennium
92:23
yep
92:24
and i thought it was really interesting
92:25
because um that that
92:27
out of water by water as you mentioned
92:29
is often thought of you know our minds
92:32
kind of go to the
92:33
noaa’s flood exactly um but in the
92:36
context it actually it fits really well
92:39
right to
92:40
what the world was creating out of the
92:42
water
92:44
right yeah
92:45
luciferian water which doesn’t seem to
92:47
quite fit
92:48
noah’s flood no it’s flood yeah it just
92:50
doesn’t fit yeah so i thought that was
92:52
really really interesting some more good
92:55
evidence for old earth um but i’d have a
92:58
question about uh you you sort of
93:00
mentioned a 4 000 year old
93:04
old earth in in other words uh it was my
93:06
understanding you you thought that
93:08
this old world
93:10
was at six well it’d be six thousand
93:13
years from now if you’re into the
93:15
masoretic text and usher’s point of view
93:18
uh four thousand from adam to christ two
93:20
thousand from christ to now yet the
93:22
septuagint would be 2 000 from christ to
93:24
now and then 5 500 from christ to adam
93:28
or 7 500 years that’s why i said that
93:31
the jewish calendar which is supposed to
93:33
be from the day of creation rosh
93:35
hashanah
93:36
the day of creation yeah yeah
93:38
that it the u.s calendar should really
93:40
be dated about 7500
93:43
and actually roll it out you know but
93:45
it’s not
93:46
6 000
93:48
years
93:49
you know uh
93:50
that’s so yeah the
93:52
the way that we talk about it today the
93:54
6 000 years and then you know the last
93:56
day will come the last 1 000.
93:59
it’s not that’s not the pattern there’s
94:01
there are patterns but that’s not the
94:03
pattern yeah well actually i was i may
94:06
have misread this but i thought that um
94:08
you were saying that the old earth in
94:10
other words existed for 4 000 years
94:12
prior to
94:14
um this recreation oh okay
94:17
yeah yeah because i was yes that’s
94:19
that’s very possible from around 9 500
94:22
bc to around 5 500 bc
94:25
yes there could have been as much as a 4
94:28
000 year
94:30
uh space or gap different gap and gap
94:33
theory
94:34
that um
94:36
because the gap refers to
94:38
genesis 1 genesis 2. uh
94:41
you know verse one and verse two of
94:42
chapter one but anyway yeah there could
94:44
have been a gap of 4 000 years which is
94:46
an interesting biblical number because
94:47
that’s the time of testing and so what
94:50
if the world was covered
94:52
uh in thick clouds the sun you know did
94:55
not shine
94:56
uh there and i can get even more wild in
94:58
terms of what might the sun have been
95:00
like prior to that was the sun the sun
95:03
or was the sun saturn
95:06
let’s you get into the whole issue of
95:07
the electronic the
95:10
thunderbolt project i know if you’re
95:11
familiar with that or not so if i ever
95:13
get around to writing revising reality
95:15
too
95:16
i’ll be talking about all this
95:19
yeah yeah so i that that really gets
95:21
real freaky uh but it might be it might
95:24
also be true but yeah there’s a 4 000
95:26
year gap from the the dating that uh
95:28
graham hancock robert duvall
95:31
uh robert shock
95:33
john anthony west uh talk about there
95:36
appears to be this 4 000 year gap
95:38
from when
95:40
um
95:41
now the place in
95:43
trying to think of the uh the ruins
95:45
go beckley tepe
95:47
which is south turkey which is pretty
95:49
close to
95:51
herron and yeah where the garden of eden
95:54
may have been very close to that it’s in
95:57
southeastern turkey
95:59
so anyway yeah that’s where the four
96:00
thousand years comes from
96:03
and so two thousand of that clearly
96:05
yeah no absolutely yeah
96:07
so with 2 000 and that 4 000 have been
96:10
uh underwater
96:12
but it could have been it could have
96:13
been all four thousand yeah i don’t i
96:15
think that it i think that it might have
96:17
been i i think i misspoke earlier when i
96:19
said two thousand years because it
96:20
because i was getting confused about the
96:23
timing from now to adam which is 7 500
96:26
years versus from the time from christ
96:28
adam which was 5 500 years so if we talk
96:32
about when was adam created he was
96:33
creating 7 500 years ago
96:36
yeah right and then and that the
96:38
destruction of the world
96:41
by
96:43
this you know whatever it was and it
96:45
could have been water that was hurled
96:47
through space from the destruction of a
96:49
planet called rahab which is perhaps the
96:52
planet that was host to the
96:54
to mars
96:56
which could have been a moon of rahab
96:58
and this is talked about by the way not
97:00
just by me but by
97:01
um thomas flanders who was the
97:04
uh naval astronomer astronomer head of
97:08
their observatory so there’s there’s
97:10
been flander and i think is the news and
97:12
so there’s
97:13
there’s scholars out there that talk
97:14
about this joseph p pearl talks about it
97:16
and so forth so
97:18
uh how soon how when that might have
97:20
happened could that have been the case
97:22
um there’s evidence on mars that talks
97:24
about the water
97:26
mars was hit with with meteorites and
97:28
water basically all at once on one side
97:33
so you know there’s some strange things
97:35
catastrophes
97:36
that’s the way that the world has been
97:38
formed
97:40
yeah yeah
97:42
something i have
97:44
uh some familiarity with um
97:46
if you look at the asteroid belt uh
97:49
there should be a a planet there
97:52
that’s correct you know going all the
97:54
way back to furniture
97:56
he figured other mathematically there
97:57
has to be a planet there
97:59
yeah um for me that that’s that’s the
98:02
enough evidence for me to say
98:04
you know why why was it
98:05
where’s this astral belt coming from was
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it a home to satan and his angels
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was it judged and destroyed by god
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sometime prior to
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could have been a million years ago
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satan could have come to earth whatever
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i don’t know you know we don’t know the
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answer yeah we don’t yeah i like this i
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like to speculate because it’s kind of
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fun yeah yeah me too
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all right um cool any any closing
98:31
thoughts before we move on i’m gonna ask
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you kind of one question then we’ll
98:33
close up any closing thoughts before we
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do that
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oh we’ve covered a lot of ground i hope
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people
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uh if if you’re interested in this you
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gotta buy the book
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there’s all the charts and things are in
98:45
the book
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not just the ones we’ve shown but about
98:48
20 or 30 others and so uh yeah you know
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i would encourage you to buy it and try
98:53
to share it and tell people
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you know if we understood this we
98:57
probably would have fewer questions to
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answer uh with scientists they would
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understand that we’re not as far off as
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they think we are
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yeah exactly
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cool awesome yeah well i’ll put links uh
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in the bio but but here it is and it was
99:10
right it was one of those things like i
99:12
said when i when i first
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you know
99:15
cracked it open i was like oh boy you
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know i just um
99:18
i i wasn’t ready i wasn’t ready to have
99:21
my you know my whole paradigm shattered
99:23
but uh man you you make such a good case
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and it’s so thorough um and i i just i
99:29
had to do an episode on it so uh
99:32
i was involved in the thing remember is
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that jesus is the christ he died he died
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on our cross on the cross for our sins
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um yahweh uh you know there’s one god
99:42
his name is yahweh his earthly name was
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jesus christ
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and uh he’s the you know second person
99:48
of the trinity so all those things are
99:50
really the truth
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this you know the formation of the world
99:53
and all that that’s all interesting but
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we can only speculate
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yeah yeah for sure
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um and you know
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with that being said this isn’t a threat
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with that being said this isn’t a threat
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to anyone’s
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you know christianity or anything like
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that
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if anything i think it really does
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actually what like you said provide um
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you know
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more faith uh on you know reality what
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we see
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uh from archaeology and things like that
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we plug one other book i wrote a book
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called um
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oh gosh the christian was the christian
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oh the biography of the christian bible
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that’s what it’s called and i wrote it
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between a part one and part two of
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rebooting the bible and if you are a
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king james person
100:34
you know i love the king james more
100:35
people have been saved in english with
100:37
the king james near the bible
100:39
most important book
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other than shakespeare
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in english uh the development of the
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english language
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but it happens to reflect the masoretic
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text and it’s built on that and so the
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the book of biography of the christian
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bible will walk you through why
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the king james bible is not the inspired
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text of god
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it does contain the inspired text of god
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but it really is the greek and the
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hebrew that’s the inspired text so right
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stone with his own finger
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um
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like it’s kind of treated
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right uh by some um anyway so i’ll ask
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you a fun question uh okay i hope so i
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hope it’s fine
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all right so if you could be a spectator
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uh at any what would be your top five
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events of the bible that you would like
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to to visit as a
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well if i was in a very safe space
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capsule i’d probably like to see
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the spirit of god hovering over the
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waters i don’t know how long that would
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take but apparently yeah a day here
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today there
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yeah nice certainly but certainly be one
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of those days um
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you know obviously the
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the flood of noah probably the rain you
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know the first few days when the rain
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starts falling down i probably want to
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see that
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um
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the you know how about the they ain’t
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the nephilim the angels coming to earth
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genesis 6 4
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wow yeah that would be an interesting
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thing to see okay these giants and you
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know they gave birth to giants and all
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that
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the dedication of the temple solomon
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would be tremendous
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um the birth of christ and the cheat the
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the death of christ
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wow
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so i got six
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yeah
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you added one um
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cool all right well um
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go ahead and uh you know tell people you
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know where they can get the book and how
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to get in touch with you and then i’ll
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have to close this out in prayer yeah
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that’d be great
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okay you can find my books uh first off
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they’re on my website
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my website is faith happens.com but it
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has a hyphen in it faith hyphen
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happens.com and there’s a store there
102:47
and there’s a special price if you want
102:49
to buy book one and book two both
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together i think i’ve got it bundled for
102:53
forty two dollars or forty dollars as
102:55
opposed to 50
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if you buy it from amazon
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all right so there’s a special price
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there you can buy from amazon so just
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look up s as in stephen s douglas
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woodward on amazon you’ll see all my
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books
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and so i encourage you to consider
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the rebooting the bible part one and
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part two and a biography of the
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christian bible if you want to
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understand
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about the king james where it came from
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where the bible came from really the
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history of it and so forth so i think
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you might like that um and then let’s
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see what else you can look look me up on
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youtube i now have a show called the hot
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seat
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uh i’ve been doing that
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now for
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seven months i guess
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i’ve done about 25 shows i’m trying to
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get into the pattern of one a week and
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i’m pretty close to that now um so look
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for the hot seat or doomsday doug
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on youtube and uh we deal with
103:48
theological problems i don’t touch
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politics because if i touch politics
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they’re going to throw me off
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yeah and so but i think you’ll like it
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we’re dealing with some
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you know if you think some of the things
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we’ve talked about today are crazy and
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radical you definitely want to go to the
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hot seat we’re definitely talking about
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some very you know for instance uh
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samuel um
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we have the woman we’ve i’ve interviewed
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the woman that uh gave birth has given
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have given has given birth to the
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antichrist another one that has given
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birth to the false prophet so you might
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want to you might want to go listen to
104:19
those interviews they’re pretty amazing
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so um yeah so anyway that’s how you can
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find me
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right on awesome all right you wanna can
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you close this on prayer yeah if i don’t
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cough
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heavenly father thank you so much for
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this chance to have fellowship with this
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brother um pray that the words that
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we’ve spoken the questions the answers
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that these that these will be a blessing
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to the people that watch and listen
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and um i ask that you would enhance
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their curiosity
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increase their faith let them know that
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there are answers to some of the
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complications in the bible and
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a lot of those answers begin with
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rightly understanding the timeline of
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the bible and that’s where the
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septuagint can really be super helpful
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to us
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so i pray that you will mediate those
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thoughts and those inspirations and
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encouragements to people through the
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program today thank you for samuel for
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his dedication his curiosity
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and uh and bless him and the work that
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he’s doing and we pray these things in
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the name of our lord jesus christ amen
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amen
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awesome all right thanks again for
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coming on man enjoyed it yes good times
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good times all right brother take care
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so let me move on to christian
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interpretation and now
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um
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i’m at a handicap here because i’m not
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not a devout i’m not a christian per se
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i have a lot of sympathy and a lot of
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interest in
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uh christianity so let me just say that
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i’ll put that out there uh i’m not
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anti-christian in any way um but i’m not
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i i certainly don’t have
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uh the full like world view
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that a lot of christians especially
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biblically based christians have
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so um but i have number of friends who
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are
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and and they know that i respect them um
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with the christian interpretation
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of this
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um you know you have a lot of emphasis
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on the fact that this is the alien
48:51
abduction phenomenon is something
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that is not a good thing first of all um
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uh in that sense it’s very similar to
48:59
what people like david jacobs or bud
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hopkins would say but but their way of
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looking at it is
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not in a materialist way it’s a much
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more overtly spiritual way and
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particularly a way in which biblical
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interpretation is very very important
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obviously and not simply by the way uh
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like something like the book of
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revelations where you know you go down
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to like the mark of the beast uh and you
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know if you have the mark on your
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forehead or your right hand i think um
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you you know
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well this is really going to be on alien
49:30
abduction but it’s it’s this is more new
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world order stuff mark of the beast yeah
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be careful because you won’t be able to
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buy and sell if you don’t have the mark
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of the beast whoops what’s that all
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about uh but you still do have um uh
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interpretations like the the famous
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phrase principalities of air i think
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that’s in paul um
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where you know you’re dealing with
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demonic entities not inter um
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interplanetary extraterrestrial entities
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and actually a lot of christian
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ufologists will refer to the book of
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enoch uh which is a non-canonical book
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uh it’s non-canonical both for jews and
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christians but it’s still it’s an
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important uh piece of writing it dates i
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think third century bce if i’m not
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mistaken i’m not a scholar of the book
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of enoch but but um
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but what it
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but what scholars have said about it
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is you can look at it as almost um
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uh literature based on
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a particular passage in the book of
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genesis where in genesis you get the
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statement about uh the elohim uh the and
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the nephilim uh the beings you know the
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elohim are divine beings who come down
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to earth and they have sex with women
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this is what they’re about and they’re
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the children of the nephilim uh known as
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uh the mighty men
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the mighty men of old i think that’s
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what is in the warriors
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of renown and that’s in genesis and
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that’s what you get the nephilim now
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from that you have the book of enoch um
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which is working off of this now enoch’s
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a pretty crazy story this much i could
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we could just say you got a situation
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uh where the nephilim are there they’re
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uh killing and devouring men they’re
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drinking their blood it’s really kind of
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graphic stuff
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uh
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and in the book of enoch you have the
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elohim they are the watchers they’re
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their their fallen angels
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teaching humans to do all kinds of nasty
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things at least nasty in the bible like
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occult things like divination and
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astrology and
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a lot of other nasty things
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and the
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they are the fathers of the nephilim so
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anyway god
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eventually sends angels to kick some
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butt and kick them out
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so that’s
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a really bad rendition of the book of
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enoch all of this is part of the uh what
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we would call the jewish apocalyptic
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texts again
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uh 400’s 300’s bc essentially or
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thereabouts
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um
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an interesting thing by the way about
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the book of enoch is that i think that
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is the first uh piece of literature
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anywhere where you get a genuine
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description of hell
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as we understand hell this is long
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before christianity you get in the book
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of enoch anyway i’m bringing this up
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here
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because these types of texts
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uh inform
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christians who are looking at the
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abduction phenomenon
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okay
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uh
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you know the idea of creating i mean you
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have the idea of hybrids right you have
52:30
the these angels or fallen angels coming
52:33
having sex with women creating a new
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race that’s a hybrid race
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so christians
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uh will look at this and they will look
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at the abduction phenomenon
52:44
that with this idea of hey guess what
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this has happened before
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and it’s right there in the bible
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so
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you know
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i i should probably be careful about
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going too deep on this because i’m going
52:56
to get in too deep i’m going to mangle
52:58
this
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and for that reason i will be
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interviewing timothy albarino who knows
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this much better than i do and he can he
53:04
can undoubtedly help me out with this
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but essentially we’re talking about
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an interpretation
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of a different kind of infiltration
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grounded in a reading of the bible
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essentially
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the watchers and the nephilim the
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hybrids
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basically now being transferred to a
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modern setting so in other words are
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are we dealing
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with
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extraterrestrials or are we dealing with
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fallen angels or demons all right
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that’s really the question
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and
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you know people either believe this or
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they don’t believe it there’s often not
53:43
a lot of middle ground here but the fact
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is this is a
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definite interpretation
53:49
of
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the whole abduction phenomenon and with
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an end game
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that’s also not a good end game and
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essentially the ultimate endgame from
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the christian interpretation
54:02
um
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i think it’s fair to say would be a
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world in which
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uh the dark powers are seeking to
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dominate this world
54:11
all right so of the three
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uh you have four interpretations i’ve
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given you skeptics you’ve got the
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uh
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the non-spiritual you’ve got the new age
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you’ve got the christian the you’ve got
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the christian and the
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and the
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the materialists are
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both are really looking at this as a
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bad thing
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and you got the let’s say the new age
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interpretation which is looking at this
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as a basically a wonderful thing a truly
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wonderful thing and then you got one
54:41
interpretation that says ah don’t lose
54:43
sleep over this a lot of other things in
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this world to worry about uh rather than
54:47
non-existent alien uh abduction so those
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are the four that i really try to cover
54:52
so here’s a question how do we make
54:54
sense out of all this
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are we
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uh hopelessly doomed to argue and run
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around in circles due to completely
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incompatible world views on this
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well the answer is i don’t know i hope
55:08
not all right
55:10
what you can say though is that there
55:11
are definite
55:12
ideological influences on how people
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view this subject and so
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that’s a problem
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when i look at this like i don’t like
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that i don’t like the fact that
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uh so much of how we understand this
55:28
seems to depend upon what is our prior
55:31
ideological disposition when we come in
55:33
and look at this
55:35
all right so how do you come to a sense
55:37
of what is real
55:39
right how do you do that well the only
55:42
thing i can i can say is like i’ll tell
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you how i try my best all right my own
55:47
ideology is that i i try
55:51
within the limitations that i have in my
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mind i try to be evidence-based
55:58
evidence-based in how i approach this
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but with the realization with an
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important realization
56:04
that we are in fact dealing with a
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subject that may not easily allow
56:09
for the kind of scientific testing that
56:12
say skeptics demand
56:14
all right
56:15
maybe there has been a level of
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scientific testing that has taken place
56:19
in classified circles could be but it
56:22
hasn’t happened in the public realm
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uh that scientists can imagine and it
56:27
may not be as possible as we would like
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um
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i think that’s really possible like i’ve
56:33
often thought like
56:36
you know in in science
56:39
uh for the scientific method to really
56:41
have any validity
56:42
you’ve got a scientist who’s got to be
56:44
in theory they’re in control of the
56:45
experiment if you’re studying microbes
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or bacteria or if you’re studying
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uh you know meteorites or whatever it is
56:52
like you
56:54
you’re creating
56:56
uh your own parameters
56:58
of what the experiment is going to
57:00
include
57:02
and you you measure
57:04
and like you’re you’re the brains in
57:05
charge of this operation not not the
57:07
subject under study but what if the
57:09
thing you’re studying is actually
57:10
smarter than you what if the thing
57:12
you’re studying doesn’t want you
57:14
to
57:16
analyze it what if it’s able to screw
57:18
with you in different ways that you like
57:21
it’s running circles around you what if
57:22
that’s the case well you scientists may
57:25
not have an easy time
57:27
in studying this phenomenon and you can
57:29
you can say well i have no ability to
57:31
study this scientifically so i’m just
57:33
going to leave it alone that’s your
57:34
choice but there’s some of us who are
57:36
like uh we think this is kind of
57:38
important and even though we are
57:41
in some ways outmatched by this we’re
57:44
going to try anyway
57:45
so what i feel is that i think
57:48
that with with reasonable limits
57:51
or i guess within reasonable limits we
57:54
still have the ability to piece together
57:56
a picture of what’s going on
57:58
that is at least
58:00
somewhat evidence-based
58:02
and hopefully
58:04
not driven by an ideology that is uh
58:07
essentially external to the phenomenon
58:09
itself so we want an ideology that is
58:11
not
58:12
driving our conclusions this is my
58:15
opinion
58:16
rather we want the evidence to drive us
58:18
to the conclusions all right so when you
58:20
come into this with a strong ideology
58:23
beforehand you basically do two things
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one is
58:26
you do give yourself a sense of
58:29
completeness
58:30
and like you know we figured it out
58:32
we’ve got it that we have a complete
58:34
uh answer to this that’s that’s what an
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ideology can do that’s one thing that’s
58:38
the benefit of a comprehensive worldview
58:41
that allows you to fit pretty much
58:43
everything into it right so the
58:45
christian worldview the new age
58:48
worldview they both do that
58:50
they both provide a framework into which
58:54
you can fit
58:55
pretty much everything
58:57
and they are frameworks that pretty much
59:00
automatically can lead you to a
59:02
pre-ordained conclusion about how to
59:04
interpret alien abduction in alien
59:06
encounters
59:07
that’s not to say that they are false
59:11
it is not for me to say that they cannot
59:13
be true
59:14
either of them it just means for me
59:19
that i’m leery
59:20
of world views
59:22
that seem to me intrinsically leading me
59:25
to a conclusion about something
59:27
by the very nature of this ideology if
59:29
you follow me rather than by the
59:31
evidence of the phenomenon itself that
59:33
i’m studying
59:34
all right now i don’t say that a
59:36
materialist or non-spiritual perspective
59:39
on alien abduction is always likely to
59:42
be accurate either
59:44
it really comes down to the amount of
59:45
data
59:46
the evidence that you can acquire
59:50
um
59:51
and how well you can analyze all that
59:55
but it seems to me in principle that at
59:56
least this approach isn’t as guilty of
59:59
leading the witness so to speak
60:02
it seems to me to be more likely an
60:04
approach
60:05
uh that can allow you to follow a
60:08
scientific method
60:10
at least in terms of trying to collect
60:12
what data you can trying your best to
60:15
interpret the data making your best
60:17
guess at a conclusion
60:20
now you could say is the skeptical
60:22
approach is the ultimate employment of
60:24
the scientific method and you might be
60:26
right
60:27
except that that approach if you’re
60:29
really strict about it
60:31
uh in my opinion seems likely to miss
60:33
the boat on the true strangeness
60:36
that frankly ufos and aliens uh seem to
60:39
bring us right
60:41
so as i’ve said countless times
60:44
uh the ufo subject doesn’t behave
60:47
ufos don’t behave the aliens don’t
60:49
behave there’s an elusiveness to this
60:53
sometimes a contradictory nature to what
60:56
they do
60:57
they don’t always make sense
60:59
and yet they seem to be here
61:02
so a strict scientific attitude of you
61:05
know well there’s no proof so get back
61:07
to me when you’ve got some proof
61:08
to me that doesn’t really cut it either
61:11
so for me i’m left with
61:14
let’s say
61:15
the
61:16
non-spiritual or non-spiritually
61:18
ideological approach is at least
61:20
offering the most neutral way
61:23
to study alien abductions that’s me
61:26
that’s how i look at this for the record
61:29
i actually have my own spiritual beliefs
61:31
i personally think that some
61:34
truly spiritual elements let’s bring on
61:36
the woo here
61:37
apply to this subject that’s i believe
61:40
after all these years like i started out
61:42
25 years ago thinking i don’t want to
61:44
get into any of that weird stuff well
61:45
guess what i’ve i’ve encountered a lot
61:47
of the weird stuff in this field that’s
61:49
the reality
61:50
i believe in the reality of remote
61:53
viewing certainly i believe in the
61:54
reality of telepathic communications
61:57
between us and them them the aliens i
62:00
believe that
62:01
um they can manipulate space and time in
62:04
ways that we cannot
62:06
and
62:07
i happen to believe in or at least let’s
62:09
say
62:10
i have faith in the existence of a soul
62:14
and that’s my faith that’s my belief and
62:17
if that is real
62:19
if it is real
62:20
then maybe some of these beings also
62:23
have a soul or a spiritual component and
62:26
maybe
62:27
that’s
62:28
something that’s very important in all
62:30
of this as well
62:32
okay there’s all kinds of hints
62:34
here and there in abduction research
62:36
that this actually is the case anyway
62:39
all right so i’m not saying that i’m
62:41
non-spiritual in my attitude about all
62:43
this but i think that a non-spiritual
62:46
approach as i have described it here
62:50
offers
62:52
the least biased or the least
62:55
ideological approach
62:57
to this subject
62:59
and that is not to say by the way that i
63:00
fully agree with all of david jacobs
63:02
conclusions
63:04
actually i don’t have full agreement
63:05
with it i’ve got my own take for example
63:08
on the notion of the great change i’ll
63:10
get into that another time
63:12
but
63:13
i do think
63:14
that we are very likely
63:16
dealing with covert infiltration
63:19
i do think that
63:20
is this good
63:21
well
63:23
you know
63:25
uh the new age people say that it is
63:26
good
63:28
uh what we have in this world think
63:30
about the um
63:31
think about the subject of transhumanism
63:33
it’s actually very similar in a lot of
63:35
ways when you deal with attitudes about
63:37
transhumanism as we deal with adding
63:40
attitudes about alien abduction
63:42
uh there is a kind of almost i want to
63:44
say political breakdown to this it’s
63:47
really not hard to see right so you’ve
63:48
got uh for example with transhumanism
63:51
there are people who believe this is
63:53
going to be great we’re going to change
63:55
human the very human nature itself human
63:58
nature is itself plastic can be changed
64:01
uh
64:02
it’s you know it’s constantly in a
64:03
change of a state of change anyway we’re
64:05
just going to change it the way we want
64:07
it to be you’re going to live for 500
64:09
years you’re going to have uh you know
64:11
little nanobots be keeping you young all
64:13
the time in your body and you’re gonna
64:14
have uh connect take action to the cloud
64:17
and you’re gonna be like have an iq of
64:19
like 500 or whatever
64:22
how awesome that will be okay maybe um
64:27
i i actually am not a fan of
64:28
transhumanism i think it’s actually
64:30
gonna be a very dangerous uh anti-human
64:33
thing but it may happen anyway who
64:36
doesn’t really matter what i think
64:37
frankly uh this could very well happen
64:40
but my point is that there are people
64:42
who think transhumanism is going to be
64:44
an absolutely wonderful and necessary
64:46
thing
64:46
a necessary transformation and then
64:49
there are people who are like this is
64:50
not what i have in mind for a good
64:53
future
64:54
um
64:56
and it’s the same with the alien
64:57
abduction thing um i think you know
64:59
there’s there are folks who are like
65:02
we need to go to
65:05
something beyond what we are
65:08
what we are as
65:10
this current kinds of human beings are
65:12
really
65:12
ultimately they say we’re not good
65:14
enough this isn’t good enough we’ve got
65:16
to have something that’s better that’s
65:17
beyond
65:19
and
65:20
i do think it is fair to say
65:23
that among the transhumanists and
65:25
uh the ascensionists let’s just say that
65:27
uh there’s a utopianism there
65:30
in both strains that on a personal level
65:34
i find uh dangerous i i actually think
65:38
utopians
65:40
tend to be very dangerous people
65:42
uh well-meaning some often but but
65:44
dangerous nonetheless i mean after all
65:46
you know the greatest totalitarians of
65:48
the 20th century were all utopians every
65:50
last one of them uh so just think about
65:52
that robespierre of the french
65:54
revolution classic utopian you know
65:56
these are not people that you want to
65:57
let into your house or run your city or
66:00
your society let’s face it
66:02
and there’s a strong utopianism in all
66:04
of the transhumanists and the ascension
66:06
communities and
66:08
uh i’m leery of that
66:10
so um
66:12
and then on the other hand there’s the
66:13
skepticism but is is total skepticism on
66:16
transformation a good idea as well
66:19
here’s the fact
66:20
the human race has been going through
66:22
changes ever since we’ve been humans
66:25
um which in my opinion has been many
66:27
hundreds of thousands of years since we
66:28
evolved ultimately out of homo erectus
66:31
and homo heidelbergensis and you know if
66:34
they find any other intermediary species
66:37
we’ve we have been transforming
66:39
ourselves
66:40
for a long time and since we’ve had
66:42
settled agriculture in the last 10 000
66:43
years or less actually we’ve been
66:45
continuing to transform we’re not the
66:47
same physiologically that we were but
66:50
when we were hunters and gatherers we’re
66:52
going through changes physiologically
66:53
psychologically probably brain chemistry
66:56
who knows all right
66:57
and and it’s happening pretty quickly
67:00
so it’s it’s foolish i think for us to
67:03
think that our
67:04
uh
67:05
destiny
67:07
is to remain exactly as we are
67:10
forever like i don’t i just don’t think
67:11
so so there’s some kind of middle ground
67:14
here in all of this that we’re dealing
67:16
with
67:17
that’s a whole other issue so i’m going
67:19
to wind this down um i i brought this up
67:23
again as i said in the beginning as a
67:24
way to
67:26
have a process of thinking about of
67:29
reintegrating important issues into ufo
67:33
studies or ufology and i do think that
67:36
we um
67:39
if we’re not careful we’re in danger of
67:41
losing sight of some of the important
67:44
elements of this field
67:46
in the whole realm of
67:48
talking about disclosure or talking
67:50
about military uap or things like that
67:53
all of that’s important i’m personally
67:55
interested in i’m sure you are but
67:57
there’s more to the ufo subject than
67:59
just that all right there’s a lot of
68:01
weird uncomfortable stuff that this
68:03
subject involves that i think we need to
68:06
remind ourselves of and that’s why i
68:08
wanted to talk about these different
68:09
interpretations of the alien presence
68:11
here
68:12
um
68:14
i look at this as an exploration
68:16
not as a definitive like there’s no way
68:20
you’re going to solve this in one
68:22
youtube video okay let’s just face it so
68:25
this is something that i think will
68:26
require uh and i like i hope to do this
68:29
to come back to this theme in the future
68:32
maybe explore different aspects whether
68:34
it’s of the alien presence or other
68:37
aspects of the ufo phenomenon that are
68:39
really not getting talked about enough
68:42
that need it so um
68:45
there you go
68:46
i hope
68:47
i hope you
68:48
found this interesting it’s a little
68:50
long for uh
68:52
some of my recent richard olin shows but
68:54
there you have it hey i see all of you
68:56
in the chat room there i just want to
68:58
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later
November 14, 2021 at 10:00 am
https://www.youtube.com/c/TimothyAlberinoTV/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/TheLamarzulli/videos
November 14, 2021 at 10:24 am
https://www.youtube.com/user/RichardMDolan/videos
November 14, 2021 at 10:26 am
https://rumble.com/c/SkyWatchTV
November 14, 2021 at 10:27 am
https://subsplash.com/skywatchtv/our-videos/ms/+z2hynmr
November 14, 2021 at 10:41 am
When in doubt, consult #Lendman
Biden Regime Pushing Things for Conflict w Russia & Belarus
https://stephenlendman.wordpress.com/2021/11/14/biden-regime-pushing-things-for-conflict-with-russia-and-belarus/
+
U.N. Security Council consultations on Belarus condemned ‘as old Goebbels trick’
https://eng.belta.by/politics/view/un-security-council-consultations-on-belarus-condemned-as-old-goebbels-trick-145043-2021/
November 14, 2021 at 10:55 am
When in doubt, consult #Lendman
Biden Regime Pushing Things for Conflict w #Russia & #Belarus
https://stephenlendman.wordpress.com/2021/11/14/biden-regime-pushing-things-for-conflict-with-russia-and-belarus/
+
U.N. Security Council consultations on Belarus condemned ‘as old #Goebbels trick’
https://eng.belta.by/politics/view/un-security-council-consultations-on-belarus-condemned-as-old-goebbels-trick-145043-2021/
#unido
[Obama/Biden/Hillary created mess in 1st place]
November 14, 2021 at 1:05 pm
https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Current-News-List.htm
November 14, 2021 at 1:06 pm
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19
November 14, 2021 at 1:16 pm
CDC Hits New Lows w 2 Manipulated Studies
“Try as the CDC might to twist the data, there’s really no question that natural immunity is superior and longer lasting than vaccine-induced immunity.”
#unido @mercola @RWMaloneMD @RobertKennedyJr @MartyMakary
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/11/joseph-mercola/cdc-hits-new-lows-with-two-manipulated-studies/
November 14, 2021 at 1:17 pm
https://www.lewrockwell.com/?d=2021-11-14
November 14, 2021 at 1:24 pm
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/worldwide-vaccine-failure
Worldwide vaccine failure
From Singapore to the Netherlands to Iceland to Vermont. And coming soon to the entire northern half of the U.S.
Alex Berenson
“Virus gonna virus.
And it looks more and more like the harder we try to keep it from virusing, the worse the rebound.
But don’t worry, the boosters will fix everything!”
[“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.”]
November 14, 2021 at 1:37 pm
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/worldwide-vaccine-failure
Failure!
#Berenson
“Virus gonna virus.
The harder we try to keep it from virusing, the worse the rebound.
But don’t worry, the #BoosterShots will fix everything!”
[“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.”]
@mercola
November 14, 2021 at 2:06 pm
IDK if it’s fair to say Biden is “spreading vaccine misinformation” when he’s just repeating talking points and may not be able to discern the truth any longer. Sad situation for the whole world.
#RFKJr has been a hero of mine & he knows a lot about a lot
https://www.ecowatch.com/syria-another-pipeline-war-1882180532.html
November 14, 2021 at 6:59 pm
https://www.youtube.com/user/Globalawakening1/videos
November 14, 2021 at 7:05 pm
This 40 minute video provides an overview of the important information behind the story of
the rabbinical conspiracy to alter the Torah in the 2nd century AD (Book One) and
the impact of the longer Septuagint chronology on the great stories of the Bible in Genesis 1-11 (Book Two).
November 14, 2021 at 7:24 pm
November 14, 2021 at 8:52 pm
So what happened? Here is my theory: The most significant global ice storm of all time wasn’t at the end of the conventional ice age scientists usually presume or even the so-called Younger Dryas event ca. 10000 B.C., which yielded another 1,000-year-long deep freeze.[8] Instead, it was an ice age created at the time of Noah’s Flood by flash-frozen ice laid down on the old polar caps and northern portions of the continents. After the ice was in place, some years later (perhaps 50 to 100 years?), meltwaters began to accumulate, becoming deeper and deeper, forming inland lakes trapped within these ice sheets. When the meltwater finally broke through the ice, it rushed to the sea. This created a series of enormous natural catastrophes along the path cut by these rushing waters through the usually dry land toward their coastal destinations.[9]
The flow of water moved at rates of hundreds of miles per hour, carving enormous swaths of earth into canyons as it emptied into the ocean. This process may have taken hundreds of years before it began, and many decades before it finally stopped. During this long-drawn-out meltdown, sea levels suddenly rose globally several meters at a time in only a matter of a few days or weeks. This occurrence wouldn’t happen just once. It often happened in spurts for an untold duration.
Consequently, such a mechanism produces marine floods “of biblical proportions,” and interested academics agree. So this speculation of what happened, now has scientific underpinning. Laughing about massive floods affecting every part of the world should be prohibited! Those floods happened. BUT LET’S DIVE DEEPER!
https://faith-happens.com/continental-drift-no-yes-to-dramatic-rise-in-sea-levels-genesis-10-and-the-division-of-nations/
November 14, 2021 at 8:53 pm
https://www.ellopos.net/elpenor/physis/septuagint-genesis/6.asp
November 14, 2021 at 8:56 pm
@ 59:09
November 15, 2021 at 8:32 am
“ἰδόντες δὲ οἱ υἱοὶ τοῦ Θεοῦ τὰς θυγατέρας τῶν ἀνθρώπων ὅτι καλαί εἰσιν, ἔλαβον ἑαυτοῖς γυναῖκας ἀπὸ πασῶν, ὧν ἐξελέξαντο. ”
https://www.academia.edu/Documents/in/Genesis_6_1_4
November 15, 2021 at 8:35 am
59:09
the pattern is just a hundred years
59:11
yes the difference between the the
59:13
septuagint and the masoretic just over
59:15
and over there’s a difference of 100 100
59:17
100.
59:18
um
59:19
and then this chart may be one that you
59:21
we may want to talk about a bit which
59:23
this lays out this is the chronology
59:25
you know of the septuagint in a timeline
59:28
graph basically so there you’ve got the
59:31
dates over here from adam to noah and
59:33
then from shem the son of noah until
59:36
abraham
59:37
and what i did is up here across the top
59:39
it starts at can’t really read that
59:41
that’s 5600 and this is like uh 1800 and
59:45
so what i did is i just laid out that’s
59:47
the law that’s the longevity of the life
59:49
of the patriarchs before the flood
59:52
the flood is right here basically it
59:54
occurs when the patriarchs are at this
59:56
point
59:57
there’s methuselah his life ends right
59:59
then lamech’s life ended then or ended a
60:02
little before then
November 15, 2021 at 8:36 am
60:02
little before then
60:03
noah is goes through the flood
60:06
all right there’s the flood and then
60:07
shem is born just um
60:09
shem is born 100 years
60:12
before the flood
60:13
and then he they’re on the ark for like
60:16
a basically a year and then he has 101
60:18
when he uh begets uh our pitch to add if
60:21
i remember right
60:22
so and then you’ve got all these what
60:24
you see of course is the declining ages
60:26
most of the ages are around 900 years
60:28
prior to the flood and then they start
60:31
changing
60:32
something happened here of course some
60:34
predicted this was a water canopy that
60:36
enveloped the earth i think it’s more
60:38
likely that it was just the beginning of
60:39
the accumulation of mutations that were
60:42
occurring and that may have that may
60:43
have been due to some kind of
60:45
atmospheric difference but as the as the
60:48
mutations begin to accumulate
60:51
the lives begin to
60:53
you know get shorter and shorter you
60:55
know and god says that the you know the
60:57
time of man shall not increase not not
60:59
be greater than 120. and so you kind of
61:02
get down to where you’re at you know at
61:04
jacob and jacob’s basically 120 years
61:07
and
61:08
the pharaoh says gosh you you know
61:09
you’re really old you know how old are
61:11
you and he goes like i think he says i’m
61:12
116 or something like that
61:14
yeah and uh and the pharaoh’s married
61:16
and he goes oh well i’m my age is
61:19
nothing you should have you should
61:20
understand the ages of the patriarchs
61:22
before me you know how they work
61:24
400 years 500 years 600 years is shim
61:27
all right yeah so you lay all these side
61:29
by side and you can see that from the
61:31
time
61:33
that noah
61:34
died
61:36
until the time that abraham is born
61:40
it’s
61:41
881 years
61:44
all right
61:45
now hold that in mind i got to go find
61:46
the other chart
61:48
okay i think i i think i actually have
61:50
it you have it i think you can actually
61:51
have it yeah but before um before we go
61:54
there can we look at this
61:56
real quick because
61:57
um i think there some people might be
62:00
asking the question if there’s a
62:01
discrepancy is it that
62:03
the mass erratic was shortened or was it
62:07
that the
62:08
um
62:09
septuagint was lengthy right like is it
62:12
like which which one really is it and
62:16
the
62:16
what i refer to as the smoking gun
62:18
because we know there’s a difference of
62:19
100 so are we adding 100 years are we
62:21
taking them away right if we look at uh
62:24
nahor here
62:26
his begetting age
62:28
um
62:31
yeah he was 79
62:33
to begin
62:35
septuagint but he was 29 to beget
62:38
in
62:39
in um in the mesoretic right
62:42
and then you have the strange thing
62:44
though that terra bumps back up to 130
62:48
years
62:49
all right and that they probably had
62:51
some kind of you know ironclad they know
62:54
that the exact age you know because it’s
62:57
in the scriptures the exact age of
62:59
terror when abraham was born the exact
63:02
age of abraham when isaac was born so
63:04
basically you can’t meddle with those
63:06
dates but you can meddle with nehor shoe
63:09
rug peru you know peleg rue and so forth
63:13
and so they they couldn’t meddle with
63:14
those those last four generations
63:17
because those were all fixed in their
63:19
scriptures yeah
63:20
right
63:20
so one thing that should stick out is
63:22
that like the pattern is a hundred years
63:24
but then for some reason the is
63:25
only 50 right and you know we point out
63:28
if you look at the beginning age i was
63:29
looking at the wrong chart it was 79
63:31
here if we take away a hundred from 79
63:35
then we’re getting into like yeah you
63:37
know thank you
63:38
or you know this person
63:40
negative 21 years he was he he birthed
63:43
tara uh 21 years before he was born
63:45
before he was born
63:47
i had forgotten that’s the reason why
63:49
and we do it is talked about in the book
63:51
i do mention that in the book yeah and
63:52
if you go back over to the left side
63:55
yeah if you see the left side you see
63:56
that the beginning ages are 135 hundred
63:59
thirty hundred thirty hundred thirty
64:00
four hundred thirty hundred thirty two
64:01
hundred and thirty all right so the
64:03
beginning ages
64:05
for the
64:06
the patriarchs were about 130 years this
64:09
didn’t have to be their first son it
64:11
might have been their third son or their
64:12
fourth son but it’s the what i call the
64:14
son of promise it’s the sun yeah for
64:16
which the messiah would come
64:18
right but all of a sudden it jumps down
64:20
with mahor
64:21
to 79 and so you’re right if if naors uh
64:26
you know and tara’s uh beginning age was
64:28
130 so if nejors had been 130 as well
64:31
they could take 100 years out of it it’d
64:33
be fine but it wasn’t he begat tara at a
64:36
very young age for
64:38
people that were the time yeah
64:40
for that time
64:41
and uh yeah i do i believe that you know
64:44
adam led to be 900 years yes i do
64:47
um but you know that’s that’s kind of a
64:49
sidebar issue so yeah that’s the reason
64:51
why nahor um
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you know uh and all the all the ages
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before there are
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you know in the masoretic text they’re
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30 34 30 32 30
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29 um you know even though you know
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isaac was born to abraham when he was a
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hundred uh so that was still possible
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for a man to have a son at 100.
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um he needed to have a fertile wife
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so he did god god made that so
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yeah
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so anyway so there you have
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you know the um
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those are the the dates now okay let me
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hush and you take this where you want it
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to go
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no i just wanted to point that out
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because for someone that might be
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skeptical of this i mean this is just
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oh yeah it’s just the raw numbers and
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that
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there is a question you were asking let
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me answer that um because i remember
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some accuse me for excuse me for
65:45
interrupting you the the jews uh and the
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others were criticizing the the uh the
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scholars that put together the
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septuagint they were saying well the
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egyptians have these massively old
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pharaohs and ancient you know ancient uh
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history
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and the jews that lived in alexandria
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they were just jealous and so they
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inflated inflated the ages
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you know all this all these ages that
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we’ve shown for them the argument was
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they inflated them however what’s the
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argument against that you’ve got three
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different chronographers
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that
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that basically
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they said no before
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you know the master org text even came
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into play you had three other
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chronographers that were nailing the
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same dates they were showing the same
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dates the you know the
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53 500 bc date and so forth and so the
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sub-tangent comes along with the proper
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dates and it all just fits together it
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fits like a glove
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yeah
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so if you we talk about inflation as far
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as if you just look at the numbers like
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i could easily add a hundred years to
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regardless of what age and these
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patriarchs were it’d be no problem so
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the question here the big question for
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me when i looked at this was why 50 and
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not 100 and there’s the answers because
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they couldn’t they couldn’t do 100. and
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so that that is the evidence right there
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that this is not inflation that this is
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a reduction yeah it is that and i think
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i call it that in the book it is the
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this is the smoking gun
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it is it is yeah yeah so anyway i wanted
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to point that out uh yeah that’s great
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take away one thing from this chart that
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was the one thing that i took away that
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okay there’s a huge there’s a
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discrepancy um and we have to now we
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have to do something with discrepancy
67:37
let’s say which one’s correct okay is it
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is it that
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that this one um was inflated or
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deflated correct or is this deflated
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news and craig and and and there it is
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it’s deflated it’s the only way to make
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it to make it work i think anyway um
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so
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the other chart that was really
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interesting is what you’re getting to
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and i i think i haven’t pulled up
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if you don’t have it
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available
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um yeah yeah so this is um
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in comparison to what we looked at
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earlier right
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yeah what we’re going to show here is
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the incredible overlap
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once you
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once you change these years
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once you change the you you subtract out
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the 1386 years
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what you what you discover
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uh and this is what just slays me that
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you know scholars like douglas petrovich
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and others that have done work in this
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area
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they they cannot they don’t see this and
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it’s just stunning to me but anyway what
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what this says is that what i show here
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is i show
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the death of noah all right and his at
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his age according to the masoretic was
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it was in 19
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yeah 1998 these years are so
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uh deflated from what they were the
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flood in 2348 so there’s the flood again
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in these yellow right that was death now
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look at this
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if you go down when noah’s noah’s alive
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with sham with arctic shad with kanan
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who they leave out
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he’s live at the same time as shayla
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he’s alive at the same time of peleg
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he’s alive at the same time of roux he’s
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alive at the same time as surrog he’s
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alive at the same time does mahor he’s
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alive at the same time as tara
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he’s alive at the birth of
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abraham
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man
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so
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yeah so yeah so it’s like
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and of course i pointed out you know as
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one of the other scholars said you know
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that god promised abraham that he’d
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lived to a ripe old age of 120
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and abraham could have said well what do
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you mean all these all my ancestors
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going back 12 generations or 10
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generations are still alive and they
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live to be a lot older than i did well
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noah himself had to be 100 900 years old
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150 years why am i why am i living in an
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old age at 120. you know god you’re
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obviously smoking something god
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and so
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so
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this is another smoking gun is is how
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the compression leads to
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nonsense in terms of
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the uh you know the generations and and
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where they you know how they stack up
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and so forth so the septuagint provides
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a logical
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uh separation 881 years from the death
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of noah until the birth of abraham and
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see what is this where does this mess
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things up well think about abraham going
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to egypt
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all right abraham goes goes to egypt and
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it’s only been 300 years
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from the flood
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and the egyptians have built their
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entire civilization according to the
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young earthers and according to the
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those that are like the king james
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people
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so in 300 years they built all the
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pyramids they built everything that
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they’ve built you know they’ve
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discovered themselves they conquered you
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know each other the offspring of
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different uh folks that that were you
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know the prodigy of noah and shem and so
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forth and so
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you know so abraham is is there and he’s
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seeing these things in egypt
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all right
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and so it’s relatively recent you know
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relatively recent it’s only 300 years
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earlier it’s kind of like for us saying
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united states okay well go back to 1700
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you know um
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and and you know so it’s like you know
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things aren’t that different you know
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but now think about it though if it’s
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been
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800
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it’s been really 881 plus you know
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abraham’s age at that time maybe it was
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70 i forget so it’s been almost a
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thousand years
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all right so think about what egypt
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could have done during that thousand
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years and how different egypt would be
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as a result of those thousand years
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all right there would have been
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completely have would have lost touch
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with the biblical record
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which they did yeah right completely
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created a brand new religion and so
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forth and so on and so uh it changes the
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way we think about these stories
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and it basically says all of a sudden
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the masoretic text
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has been teaching us nonsense
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for 2 000 years
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except for the the greeks uh orthodox
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church the eastern roman the eastern
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catholic church
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because it was early catholic church as
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well just the eastern versus the western
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they were still they had the septuagints
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so they knew these things but it was
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jerome’s mistake and jerome really was
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at fault here jerome got very sassy
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he learned hebrew he had moved back to
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bethlehem
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from
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rome i think yeah he was in rome he
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moved to bethlehem he learned hebrew
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from the jews that were living in
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jerusalem and this would have been about
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370
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a.d
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and so after he is convinced that he
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knows hebrew and by the way he was one
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of the very few patriarchs that knew
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hebrew the rest of them were all greek
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they knew latin but greek was still the
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greek that was the uh you know the
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language of the bible
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all right so jerome goes back he decides
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that he’s going to build the catholic
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bible
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off of the hebrew originals because
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obviously they would be more accurate
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than the greek septuagint all right so
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that’s what he thought now
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uh augustine sadagasti or augustine you
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know as i would probably pronounce it
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he wrote a letter and he campaigned uh
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highly he knew that jerome was building
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a latin version of the bible and he
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basically said jerome you need to be
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translating the latin version from the
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septuagint from the greek not from the
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hebrew because the hebrew has been
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changed
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justin martyr proved that 200 years
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before wow
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in the dialogue with trifo which was
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written around 160 a.d
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he talks about that in detail i make i
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provide those quotations in the book all
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right
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where justin martyr basically points out
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all the changes that had been made
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in the
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uh in the hebrew bible by the rabbis
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right so augustine is trying to convince
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jerome that he should be using
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the septuagint he says look the
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septuagint’s been you know that’s it’s
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been our bible it’s served us well for
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over 300 years why are you
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wanting to go back to the hebrew
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well it was it was probably pride on uh
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jerome’s part
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and you saw the same mistake with the
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reformers reformers you know essentially
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they had the catholic bible and they had
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the um greek orthodox and septuagint
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but when the geneva bible was built
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predominantly by calvin and then later
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the martin you know or earlier the
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martin luther bible they also relied on
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the masoretic text
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and so they carried forward the same
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errors that jerome carried forward
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all right so that’s why christendom it’s
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with the exception of the of the eastern
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orthodox church the greek orthodox
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russian orthodox etc
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you know has been based on the masoretic
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text
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and has been based on these lies about
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the ages of the patriarchs
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and it has done the church no favor
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because it has created discrepancies and
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and
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you know basically made it harder for
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people to believe because you knew the
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history was wrong
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yeah so
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and when you go back you say well the
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flood occurred really more like 3350
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well it’s kind of interesting world
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history says that almost all the
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civilizations of the world china india
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uh even egypt they all started about
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3100 bc they didn’t start at 2300 bc and
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so they align with the septuagint and so
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that’s you know the evidence is as i
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said i think it’s very compelling
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it really is uh you mind if we end the
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share not at all let me let me stop this
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year
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um we’ve made those points evan we
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probably beat the beat the dead horse
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no but i think those those charts are
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really eye-opening and enlightening yeah
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when you look at that
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um
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that compression it just looks so
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unnatural
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um right yeah you have to buy into the
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idea that the patriarchs live to be 900
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years you know and that they it begins
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to slowly
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you know trickle down trickle down until
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they don’t live to be
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130 120 years
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yep yep
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um
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wow so
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so let me
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let me have i’ll kind of just close with
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uh
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kind of your last chapter
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in the book yeah this is where i get
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myself in real trouble
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um and so it uh you kind of
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almost kind of close your thought on on
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kind of what we’ve been discussing
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um
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and you know you like you said you kind
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of get into the tower of babel you get
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into
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abraham and the timeline and kind of
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putting that back in context and having
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it just fit and make more sense talked
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about peleg
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but then you kind of dedicate the last
77:05
chapter to
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um
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old earth young earth old earth yeah so
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um why did you why did you want to put
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that uh
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as a part of this book and kind of give
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your case for it yeah i think it’s
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because
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you know i’m i’m foolish
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no no i you know i’m just i’m this
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curious kid you know and so i’ve sort of
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i’ve i’ve kind of like had my eyes wide
77:31
open you know to all these to the
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changes and so then i’m going to go say
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well okay so
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you know 7 500 years ago
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adam
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was created well all right so let’s
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think about that for a second how
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you know what was going on at that time
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what had happened is there any chance
77:48
that
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that the world was covered with water
77:52
that when the spirit of god first you
77:54
know genesis 1 2
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uh 1-3 when you know the spirit of god
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hovered in the waters
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you know
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were those
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waters waters that were actually
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covering the earth
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um
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and this is generally known in the in
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old earth tradition
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as this is the luciferic flood
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in that something happened
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uh and i put i tried to put this in a
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timeline i said something happened
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about 9600
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bc
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that
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that destroyed the world
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and you see evidence of this
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in a wide variety of places around the
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world before that period of time you had
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pyramids all over the world
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you had in the egyptian pyramids were
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probably
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not built in 2600 bc
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as the egyptians want you to believe
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they were probably built
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at 10 000 bc
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all right so let’s go with that for a
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second let’s say that they were built 10
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000 bc
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all right so if so
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what happened
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well we know about a number of you know
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this thing called the younger driest
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driest event
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uh we know that there was a meteor that
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hit the earth supposedly in this context
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around
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oh i think it was around 11 000 bc
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something happened and it created
79:19
a colder climate
79:21
and and then
79:22
then there was a massive flood
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that happened probably around
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9500 bc
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and the earth
79:32
may have been under water for 2000 years
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and all of life would have been
79:37
destroyed except
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sea life
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because sea life if i remember right
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that’s the only life
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well sea life in the no i think all life
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was destroyed including sea life because
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there was no sunlight
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um
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and the uh the aquatic life at the time
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of noah’s flood it can it continued
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after it was still living but in this
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time frame the the fish and everything
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time frame the the fish and everything
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would have would have died the earth was
80:05
without any form of life
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and so
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the old earth folks believe
80:11
that
80:12
when it says the earth was
80:14
without form and void
80:17
this verse two of the book of genesis is
80:21
picked apart
80:22
very meticulously by scholars to try to
80:25
understand
80:27
what are these words tohu
80:29
tohu
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vohu
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which was you know
80:34
uh the earth was formless and void what
80:36
does that really mean tohu vohu
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and so you’ve got two different opinions
80:42
one is it basically means just the way
80:43
it’s sort of translated in the king
80:45
james but the other way it could be
80:48
translated is that the earth became
80:51
formless
80:53
and way and a wasteland or void of life
80:57
all right so and darkness was on the
80:59
face of the deep and the spirit of god
81:01
hovered over the waters brooded over the
81:04
waters i think is the way one
81:05
translation has it the brooding almost
81:08
is like
81:08
life it’s all gone it’s been killed
81:11
the spirit of god i want to restore it
81:14
and so
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the god so god restores
81:18
the creation and recreates life on earth
81:22
and uh you know what effect does this
81:24
have in other planets you know i have
81:26
some ideas on mars you know about the
81:28
fact that there may have been a satanic
81:31
uh or luciferic
81:33
uh you know race that lived on mars at
81:36
one time i talked about that in the book
81:38
um flying wonders of the red planet
81:41
and uh but anyway i try to look at all
81:43
these ideas and and the ideas of robert
81:46
shock who’s this geologist from the
81:48
boston university
81:49
and uh he believes
81:51
he talks about
81:53
the fact that africa the sahara desert
81:55
was originally a tropical
81:58
it was a tropical area
82:00
and all this evidence for this tropical
82:03
area and then he goes through and he
82:06
points out all the evidence for
82:08
the the runoff of water
82:10
across the the temple
82:12
that surrounds the sphinx
82:14
and he shows how it would have been
82:17
not hundreds but thousands of years of
82:20
water runoff that created the um the
82:23
topography if you will the sort of
82:25
surface conditions surrounding the
82:27
sphinx
82:29
and even the weathering of the sphinx
82:30
itself
82:32
and so
82:33
he can he computes that that the earth
82:37
was uh in this state
82:40
at least 7000 bc and perhaps as early as
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10 000 bc
82:46
yeah and so he has this evidence there
82:49
was a a show
82:51
documentary charlton heston actually
82:54
i talk about it and show some pictures
82:55
from it uh where he talks about robert
82:57
shock and john anthony west who’s this
82:59
other just paulus egyptologist who who
83:02
believes that
83:04
you know egypt had been around for
83:06
thousands of years before uh adam was
83:09
created
83:10
and um so i i don’t believe in evolution
83:12
i believe adam was specifically created
83:15
by god a special creation of god but i’m
83:18
saying i think he was
83:19
you know god did what it says in genesis
83:22
1 he did
83:24
it’s just that the earth
83:26
existed it was covered in water
83:28
and there was no no light that was
83:32
coming to earth it was covered in clouds
83:34
like all the other planets like jupiter
83:36
and saturn and uranus and neptune and so
83:38
forth uh
83:40
are covered in clouds and mars may have
83:42
been at one time although mars was
83:44
probably a moon to a planet that was
83:46
destroyed hence the reason we have
83:48
asteroids between mars and jupiter
83:50
that’s that gets into those that are
83:51
interested in this go read lying wonders
83:53
of the red planet because i cover all
83:55
the stuff in about the nature of mars so
83:58
uh anyway so that’s you know so that’s
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kind of so i’m curious about those
84:02
things and i’m sort of saying well how
84:03
can i potentially how would i reconcile
84:05
these things
84:06
if the alternate history
84:09
of robert
84:11
shock
84:12
robert duvall
84:13
graham hancock
84:15
john anthony west all these guys that
84:17
have written so many books
84:19
on uh what was going on in a pre-adamic
84:24
civilization
84:26
that there was a highly sophisticated
84:28
advanced civilization
84:30
that existed
84:32
prior to 10000 bc
84:34
all right so if that occurs how do you
84:36
reconcile that with the bible
84:38
so it’s another area of potential
84:41
conflict between science although it’s
84:45
you know archaeologists don’t really
84:46
want to buy into graham hancock and
84:48
robert braval’s points of view but
84:50
nevertheless it’s another area of
84:52
conflict and so i wanted in my mind at
84:54
least to try to reconcile how can i how
84:57
can i you know still believe in the
85:00
biblical creation story and yet also
85:02
understand that there may have been an
85:04
atlantis
85:06
you know as plato talks about which by
85:09
the way you know his view was in the
85:11
same timeframe 1000bc
85:13
and so perhaps there’s you know truth to
85:16
all that and and that you know the the
85:18
idea of the luciferic flood and the
85:20
creation that god didn’t create the
85:22
world in genesis you know three and
85:25
beyond he recreated the world
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yeah
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yeah no i uh that’s why i did it
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no i
85:33
i thought it was fascinating because
85:34
there’s that’s a i think it’s a big
85:35
question uh for a lot of people that
85:38
bought into
85:39
uh young earth they tie that to adam and
85:41
eve and they make those um
85:44
mutually exclu yeah i don’t think they
85:46
are usually just because i think you can
85:48
you can still
85:50
believe in a young
85:52
adam and eve right in old earth they
85:55
they’re not in conflict with one another
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um i’m glad you put it in there out and
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that was a that was a very fascinating
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chapter did you did you uh look
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carefully at the uh discussion in the
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garden of eden
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the pictures talk about where the garden
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of eden was located and so forth
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in book two
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yes
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well i showed the you know the pictures
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kind of going in from outer space down
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into where i believe the garden of eden
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was and i’m not alone there’s several
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scholars that that argue this
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and the garden of eden was not at the
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base of the tigris and euphrates you
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know in the in the persian gulf that’s
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where a lot of people think well it was
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in the persian gulf you know ken ham
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that’s where it was persian gulf now you
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know it actually was at the other end of
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those rivers it was where the rivers
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were uh the headwaters as they’re called
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the headwaters of the tigers and
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euphrates and there are two other rivers
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that are mentioned in genesis
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uh
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the pisan and one other one actually i
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forget but anyway
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i showed the pictures of the current uh
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geography in those areas the topography
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the surface
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and the volcano the waters that run
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there that are the headwaters of the
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euphrates euphrates and tigris and um i
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walked through all that and talked about
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that where that’s located which i think
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is pretty interesting
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is uh probably less than 50 miles from
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this the the town or city of iran which
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is where uh abraham was with his father
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tara
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and um when abraham came from ur of the
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cauldes that wasn’t er down by
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persian gulf it was ur somewhere in
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turkey
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and that’s really where um
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abraham came he came down rather than
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going up he came down to haran but it’s
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it appears to be that this same haran
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it’s right in the same vicinity is where
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the garden of eden was
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um the the garden of eden was
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perhaps on this mountain and i’d show
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the pictures of the volcano now you may
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want to go back and look at it you may
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have skipped over it but um there’s just
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a tremendous amount of evidence that
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that’s where it was and then the other
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data point that i that i bring up is
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is somewhere around
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7 000 years ago
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naturalists have said the first wheat
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was cultivated
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exactly in that area
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wow of course bread
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may have been developed right in that
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same
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along the side of that volcano and all
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the all the dirt of the volcano by the
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way is extremely red
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which adam means red
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yeah yeah so
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um so anyway i think people will find
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that as an interesting bonus
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uh as well and so uh i challenged
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standalone a bit on his view that it’s
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in africa um yeah knew that it’s
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actually discoverable ken ham would have
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a has a fit would have a fit over what
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i’m arguing because he’d say oh the
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flood destroyed all of that you know the
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noah’s flood destroyed all that well
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not necessarily the flood the
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destruction of the flood it still may
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have been worldwide water but where the
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mud went and where how it wiped out
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rivers and things like that
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you know we don’t know and this whole
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area may have been raised you know above
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the flood after the flood was going on
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and may not have been the rivers and all
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that you know may not have been
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destroyed the headwaters may still been
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where they were
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so
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more fun to think about right yeah you
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have a couple more questions uh on on
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old earth and one is you you brought up
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some
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uh like uh
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evidence or an argument for it that i
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never heard before and that was out of
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second peter
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um
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yeah so i don’t know if you have that
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verse but in my notes i just have that
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uh
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you know he talks about out of water and
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by water the world was formed yeah yeah
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he talks about different ages and he
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makes the statement it’s uh in second
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peter chapter three where he talks about
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you know the liars and those people that
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will scoff the scoffers will come and so
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forth he goes they’re so foolish because
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they believe that this age is like the
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age before or maybe the age before that
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and each of these ages has certain
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characteristics and so the age after the
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flood
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you know that we’ve been living in is a
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certain way and the age before the flood
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may have been a certain way which it was
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but
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was he saying
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actually the age was before
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adam
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that there was an age and he could
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certainly interpret it that way
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that you know the world otherwise he’s
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saying everyone thinks the scoffers
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think that they believe in uh what’s it
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called uniformitarianism in geography
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that word basically means that the
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present is key is the key to the past so
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if we want to know what it was like five
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thousand years ago all we have to look
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at is the processes that exist today the
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way things die the way things are buried
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et cetera et cetera that all this
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happened exactly the same way five
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thousand years ago ten thousand years
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ago fifteen thousand years ago
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that’s the uniformitarian uh principle
91:05
well what’s the what’s the alternative
91:07
view catastrophism
91:09
catastrophism is the con is the other
91:11
view which is that these biblical events
91:14
are the basis for how the earth was
91:17
formed and the surface of the earth and
91:19
how the earth appears today it was done
91:22
not by uniformitarianism or uniform
91:25
processes but by catastrophes whether
91:28
it’s meteorites hitting the earth or the
91:31
you know the waters of the deep opening
91:33
up you know that some these things have
91:36
happened that are
91:37
radical and different
91:39
than what’s going on right now and so
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that’s really what peter may have been
91:44
saying is that the next stage is is
91:47
going to be different than this age you
91:49
know and so you can’t assume that the
91:51
president’s the key to the past or the
91:53
president’s the key to the future
91:54
something’s going to rock the world and
91:56
it’s going to radically change things
91:58
and we’re going to go into a new eon or
92:01
you know or sometimes pronounced aeon
92:03
a-e-o-n a new a new age remember when
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that word is the greek word that’s
92:07
actually christ says you know and behold
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i’m with you uh until the end of the age
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and that’s what you’ve seen until the
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end of this eon
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all right so
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but it so at the end of that eon comes
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the next eon which is the millennium
92:23
yep
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and i thought it was really interesting
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because um that that
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out of water by water as you mentioned
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is often thought of you know our minds
92:32
kind of go to the
92:33
noaa’s flood exactly um but in the
92:36
context it actually it fits really well
92:39
right to
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what the world was creating out of the
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water
92:44
right yeah
92:45
luciferian water which doesn’t seem to
92:47
quite fit
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noah’s flood no it’s flood yeah it just
92:50
doesn’t fit yeah so i thought that was
92:52
really really interesting some more good
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evidence for old earth um but i’d have a
92:58
question about uh you you sort of
93:00
mentioned a 4 000 year old
93:04
old earth in in other words uh it was my
93:06
understanding you you thought that
93:08
this old world
93:10
was at six well it’d be six thousand
93:13
years from now if you’re into the
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masoretic text and usher’s point of view
93:18
uh four thousand from adam to christ two
93:20
thousand from christ to now yet the
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septuagint would be 2 000 from christ to
93:24
now and then 5 500 from christ to adam
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or 7 500 years that’s why i said that
93:31
the jewish calendar which is supposed to
93:33
be from the day of creation rosh
93:35
hashanah
93:36
the day of creation yeah yeah
93:38
that it the u.s calendar should really
93:40
be dated about 7500
93:43
and actually roll it out you know but
93:45
it’s not
93:46
6 000
93:48
years
93:49
you know uh
93:50
that’s so yeah the
93:52
the way that we talk about it today the
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6 000 years and then you know the last
93:56
day will come the last 1 000.
93:59
it’s not that’s not the pattern there’s
94:01
there are patterns but that’s not the
94:03
pattern yeah well actually i was i may
94:06
have misread this but i thought that um
94:08
you were saying that the old earth in
94:10
other words existed for 4 000 years
94:12
prior to
94:14
um this recreation oh okay
94:17
yeah yeah because i was yes that’s
94:19
that’s very possible from around 9 500
94:22
bc to around 5 500 bc
94:25
yes there could have been as much as a 4
94:28
000 year
94:30
uh space or gap different gap and gap
94:33
theory
94:34
that um
94:36
because the gap refers to
94:38
genesis 1 genesis 2. uh
94:41
you know verse one and verse two of
94:42
chapter one but anyway yeah there could
94:44
have been a gap of 4 000 years which is
94:46
an interesting biblical number because
94:47
that’s the time of testing and so what
94:50
if the world was covered
94:52
uh in thick clouds the sun you know did
94:55
not shine
94:56
uh there and i can get even more wild in
94:58
terms of what might the sun have been
95:00
like prior to that was the sun the sun
95:03
or was the sun saturn
95:06
let’s you get into the whole issue of
95:07
the electronic the
95:10
thunderbolt project i know if you’re
95:11
familiar with that or not so if i ever
95:13
get around to writing revising reality
95:15
too
95:16
i’ll be talking about all this
95:19
yeah yeah so i that that really gets
95:21
real freaky uh but it might be it might
95:24
also be true but yeah there’s a 4 000
95:26
year gap from the the dating that uh
95:28
graham hancock robert duvall
95:31
uh robert shock
95:33
john anthony west uh talk about there
95:36
appears to be this 4 000 year gap
95:38
from when
95:40
um
95:41
now the place in
95:43
trying to think of the uh the ruins
95:45
go beckley tepe
95:47
which is south turkey which is pretty
95:49
close to
95:51
herron and yeah where the garden of eden
95:54
may have been very close to that it’s in
95:57
southeastern turkey
95:59
so anyway yeah that’s where the four
96:00
thousand years comes from
96:03
and so two thousand of that clearly
96:05
yeah no absolutely yeah
96:07
so with 2 000 and that 4 000 have been
96:10
uh underwater
96:12
but it could have been it could have
96:13
been all four thousand yeah i don’t i
96:15
think that it i think that it might have
96:17
been i i think i misspoke earlier when i
96:19
said two thousand years because it
96:20
because i was getting confused about the
96:23
timing from now to adam which is 7 500
96:26
years versus from the time from christ
96:28
adam which was 5 500 years so if we talk
96:32
about when was adam created he was
96:33
creating 7 500 years ago
96:36
yeah right and then and that the
96:38
destruction of the world
96:41
by
96:43
this you know whatever it was and it
96:45
could have been water that was hurled
96:47
through space from the destruction of a
96:49
planet called rahab which is perhaps the
96:52
planet that was host to the
96:54
to mars
96:56
which could have been a moon of rahab
96:58
and this is talked about by the way not
97:00
just by me but by
97:01
um thomas flanders who was the
97:04
uh naval astronomer astronomer head of
97:08
their observatory so there’s there’s
97:10
been flander and i think is the news and
97:12
so there’s
97:13
there’s scholars out there that talk
97:14
about this joseph p pearl talks about it
97:16
and so forth so
97:18
uh how soon how when that might have
97:20
happened could that have been the case
97:22
um there’s evidence on mars that talks
97:24
about the water
97:26
mars was hit with with meteorites and
97:28
water basically all at once on one side
97:33
so you know there’s some strange things
97:35
catastrophes
97:36
that’s the way that the world has been
97:38
formed
97:40
yeah yeah
97:42
something i have
97:44
uh some familiarity with um
97:46
if you look at the asteroid belt uh
97:49
there should be a a planet there
97:52
that’s correct you know going all the
97:54
way back to furniture
97:56
he figured other mathematically there
97:57
has to be a planet there
97:59
yeah um for me that that’s that’s the
98:02
enough evidence for me to say
98:04
you know why why was it
98:05
where’s this astral belt coming from was
98:07
it a home to satan and his angels
98:12
was it judged and destroyed by god
98:15
sometime prior to
98:17
could have been a million years ago
98:20
satan could have come to earth whatever
98:21
i don’t know you know we don’t know the
98:23
answer yeah we don’t yeah i like this i
98:25
like to speculate because it’s kind of
98:26
fun yeah yeah me too
98:29
all right um cool any any closing
98:31
thoughts before we move on i’m gonna ask
98:32
you kind of one question then we’ll
98:33
close up any closing thoughts before we
98:35
do that
98:36
oh we’ve covered a lot of ground i hope
98:37
people
98:38
uh if if you’re interested in this you
98:41
gotta buy the book
98:43
there’s all the charts and things are in
98:45
the book
98:46
not just the ones we’ve shown but about
98:48
20 or 30 others and so uh yeah you know
98:51
i would encourage you to buy it and try
98:53
to share it and tell people
98:55
you know if we understood this we
98:57
probably would have fewer questions to
98:59
answer uh with scientists they would
99:01
understand that we’re not as far off as
99:03
they think we are
99:05
yeah exactly
99:06
cool awesome yeah well i’ll put links uh
99:08
in the bio but but here it is and it was
99:10
right it was one of those things like i
99:12
said when i when i first
99:14
you know
99:15
cracked it open i was like oh boy you
99:17
know i just um
99:18
i i wasn’t ready i wasn’t ready to have
99:21
my you know my whole paradigm shattered
99:23
but uh man you you make such a good case
99:26
and it’s so thorough um and i i just i
99:29
had to do an episode on it so uh
99:32
i was involved in the thing remember is
99:34
that jesus is the christ he died he died
99:37
on our cross on the cross for our sins
99:39
um yahweh uh you know there’s one god
99:42
his name is yahweh his earthly name was
99:44
jesus christ
99:46
and uh he’s the you know second person
99:48
of the trinity so all those things are
99:50
really the truth
99:51
this you know the formation of the world
99:53
and all that that’s all interesting but
99:55
we can only speculate
99:57
yeah yeah for sure
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um and you know
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with that being said this isn’t a threat
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with that being said this isn’t a threat
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to anyone’s
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you know christianity or anything like
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that
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if anything i think it really does
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actually what like you said provide um
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you know
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more faith uh on you know reality what
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we see
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uh from archaeology and things like that
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we plug one other book i wrote a book
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called um
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oh gosh the christian was the christian
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oh the biography of the christian bible
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that’s what it’s called and i wrote it
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between a part one and part two of
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rebooting the bible and if you are a
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king james person
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you know i love the king james more
100:35
people have been saved in english with
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the king james near the bible
100:39
most important book
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other than shakespeare
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in english uh the development of the
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english language
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but it happens to reflect the masoretic
100:49
text and it’s built on that and so the
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the book of biography of the christian
100:53
bible will walk you through why
100:56
the king james bible is not the inspired
100:59
text of god
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it does contain the inspired text of god
101:03
but it really is the greek and the
101:04
hebrew that’s the inspired text so right
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stone with his own finger
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um
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like it’s kind of treated
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right uh by some um anyway so i’ll ask
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you a fun question uh okay i hope so i
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hope it’s fine
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all right so if you could be a spectator
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uh at any what would be your top five
101:27
events of the bible that you would like
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to to visit as a
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well if i was in a very safe space
101:34
capsule i’d probably like to see
101:35
the spirit of god hovering over the
101:37
waters i don’t know how long that would
101:38
take but apparently yeah a day here
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today there
101:42
yeah nice certainly but certainly be one
101:44
of those days um
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you know obviously the
101:48
the flood of noah probably the rain you
101:51
know the first few days when the rain
101:53
starts falling down i probably want to
101:54
see that
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um
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the you know how about the they ain’t
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the nephilim the angels coming to earth
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genesis 6 4
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wow yeah that would be an interesting
102:04
thing to see okay these giants and you
102:06
know they gave birth to giants and all
102:08
that
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the dedication of the temple solomon
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would be tremendous
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um the birth of christ and the cheat the
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the death of christ
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wow
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so i got six
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yeah
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you added one um
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cool all right well um
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go ahead and uh you know tell people you
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know where they can get the book and how
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to get in touch with you and then i’ll
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have to close this out in prayer yeah
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that’d be great
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okay you can find my books uh first off
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they’re on my website
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my website is faith happens.com but it
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has a hyphen in it faith hyphen
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where the bible came from really the
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history of it and so forth so i think
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you might like that um and then let’s
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see what else you can look look me up on
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now for
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seven months i guess
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i’ve done about 25 shows i’m trying to
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get into the pattern of one a week and
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i’m pretty close to that now um so look
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theological problems i don’t touch
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politics because if i touch politics
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they’re going to throw me off
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yeah and so but i think you’ll like it
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we’re dealing with some
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you know if you think some of the things
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we’ve talked about today are crazy and
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radical you definitely want to go to the
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hot seat we’re definitely talking about
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some very you know for instance uh
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samuel um
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we have the woman we’ve i’ve interviewed
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the woman that uh gave birth has given
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have given has given birth to the
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antichrist another one that has given
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birth to the false prophet so you might
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want to you might want to go listen to
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those interviews they’re pretty amazing
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so um yeah so anyway that’s how you can
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find me
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right on awesome all right you wanna can
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you close this on prayer yeah if i don’t
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cough
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heavenly father thank you so much for
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this chance to have fellowship with this
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brother um pray that the words that
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we’ve spoken the questions the answers
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that these that these will be a blessing
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to the people that watch and listen
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and um i ask that you would enhance
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their curiosity
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increase their faith let them know that
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there are answers to some of the
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complications in the bible and
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a lot of those answers begin with
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rightly understanding the timeline of
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the bible and that’s where the
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septuagint can really be super helpful
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to us
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so i pray that you will mediate those
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thoughts and those inspirations and
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encouragements to people through the
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program today thank you for samuel for
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his dedication his curiosity
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and uh and bless him and the work that
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he’s doing and we pray these things in
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the name of our lord jesus christ amen
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amen
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awesome all right thanks again for
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coming on man enjoyed it yes good times
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good times all right brother take care
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