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Unregistered 207: Scott Ritter – Can you just first tell us who is winning this war and why do you think that?

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4 Responses to “Unregistered 207: Scott Ritter – Can you just first tell us who is winning this war and why do you think that?”

  1. rosettasister Says:
    April 22, 2022 at 11:25 am

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    but i do have some questions about it but i want to get into a few things with you so first of all scott um
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    the western media as you know has consistently portrayed this war so far as a ukrainian victory
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    i find that to be amazing given that you and most people in alternative media are
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    consistently calling it a russian victory so can you just first tell us who is
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    winning this war and why do you think that well it’s hands down uh russia is
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    winning russia will win russia has already won um you know this this this was never in
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    doubt uh ukraine never had a chance of the perception of
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    ukraine you know putting up you know a defense capable of beating
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    russia was created from two separate um
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    threads so to speak one is the russians themselves understand that russia didn’t call this
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    the invasion of ukraine russia didn’t call this a military operation
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    russia called this a special military operation which means that it deviates
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    from the norms and standards one would normally associate with a military operation
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    doctrinally this is this is very important you know when russia goes to war
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    and um modern large-scale combined arms operations like what we’re seeing in ukraine
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    from a doctrinal standpoint they they bring two things one overwhelming firepower
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    russia has uh not just superiority in artillery but supremacy and artillery
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    compared to not just ukraine but any other nation that they’ll fight artillery is the heart and soul
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    of the way russia fights a war uh they will overwhelm you with uh with
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    firepower which unfortunately has a copacetic way of saying they’re going to kill you um if you’re in front of them
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    their artillery will smother you with high explosive and whatever’s left then we’ll have to deal with the second part which is mass
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    russia masses armor and armored fighting vehicles and then they basically punch a hole through the
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    area that they just bombarded and and they penetrate deep into your rear
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    area they they annihilate your logistics your command and control they roll up the flanks of your defenders that’s the
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    way the russians fight very bloody very brutal very methodical
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    that’s not how they started this war this war was started with a very soft approach russia went
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    out of its way to say that it does not want to inflict any harm on the ukrainian civilians and
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    it wants to minimize the impact that this special military operation will have on a ukrainian civil
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    infrastructure now this was the goal a russian general early on in this conflict called it the
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    syrian touch now the western media goes wait a minute doesn’t that mean you’re blowing aleppo
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    up and you’re not no that’s what ignorant people say people who have
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    studied russia and know russia and studied history i mean it’s not a matter of just study what russia did in
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    syria russia worked with the syrian army to surround urban areas where jihadists
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    were located and then they confronted the jihadists with the inevitability of their demise
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    and they said rather than us coming in and blowing up every building and killing everybody in here why don’t we
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    bring in some buses and let you get on these buses and then we’ll evacuate
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    so that we reduce the impact and this happened over and over and over again the russian military police became
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    experts at uh negotiating a ceasefire between the syrian army and the jihadists and then
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    coordinating the humanitarian evacuation of not just the fighters but their families um and and and and taking them
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    up to northern syria this was a syrian touch and that was the approach that the
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    russians said they were going to take in ukraine uh to come in soft and give the ukrainians the
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    opportunity to um to choose non-violence as the means of
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    resolving this this issue russia said it’s inevitable uh they will de-nazify
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    they have a we can talk about this later but they have a thing for the uh for the nazis um there
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    will be no tolerance that that odious ideology will be annihilated
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    um and the demilitarization which means that the ukrainian military that since
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    2015 has been trained as a de facto proxy of nato
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    will be taken apart uh russia will no longer allow a nato proxy to exist
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    on its soil russia have been led to believe that they were going to be greeted by
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    the russian-speaking population and that many of the ukrainian officers were going to
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    remain in their barracks they were led to believe this by the work of their
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    fifth department of the fsb which is uh the the group that does uh intelligence
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    in ukraine um 150 of their officers were just arrested by the russian government
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    for getting it wrong apparently for whatever reason um whether they were corrupt whether they
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    were incompetent whether it was a combination of the two um they’re
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    they’re guarantees of uh of a peaceful ukrainian uh
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    civilian population and a compliant ukrainian military uh were dead wrong
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    the russians instead of uh being welcomed were uh were resisted from the start of the ukrainian military rather
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    than staying in its barracks chose to fight i’ll say this about the ukrainian military um
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    you could be critical all you want of them in their ideology but they’re professional
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    they’re well equipped they’re well trained they’re well led and they fight like demons and they’re
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    you know it’s the second largest army in europe just keep that in mind okay the first largest army of course is
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    russia but the second largest army in europe is ukraine this isn’t a small pathetic little force
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    we’re talking about 260 000 regular forces uh equipped with thousands of
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    tanks thousands of fighting vehicles thousands of artillery pieces uh trained to nato standards
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    um with modern eq communications equipment fighting on their own
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    soil their own homeland they know ukraine like the back of their hands literally um
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    they also have upwards of an additional 400 500 000 reservists
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    and territorial militias so you know we’re talking close to a million men under arms a million men under arms
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    um so anybody thinks this is tiny little ukraine being rolled over by the large
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    russian army russians came to play with 200 000 troops
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    now normally uh basic military math if you’re doing offensive operations you want a three to one advantage for every
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    one defender you want three attackers the russians are coming at it with the exact opposite for every one attacker there’s
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    three defenders um and you’ll say well how can they do this because the russians
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    in their phase one operation um focus not on territorial acquisition
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    but on shaping the battlefield right the most important thing for the russians is to isolate and destroy the 60 to 80 000
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    ukrainian troops that are in the donbas region threatening the russian-speaking provinces of lugansk and donetsk which
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    we have to remember for the past eight years have been bombarded on a daily basis with 14 000 people being killed
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    one of the main reasons why russia is carrying out this special military operation is because of this eight years
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    of bombardment but the russians realized going in that if they focused on just
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    defeating these 60 000 that you had the rest of that very large ukrainian army i
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    just told you about gonna come down and and get in the way um and possibly set the russians up for
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    defeat so the russians needed to shape the battlefield you do that by fixing those sixty thousand troops in
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    place with limited frontal assaults carried out by the lugansk and donetsk people’s militias with russian army
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    support um you do a military faint coming down from the north alabama kiev right um
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    everybody’s like no they tried to capture kiev well they didn’t how do 50 000 men capture city of 3.1 million
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    can’t happen won’t happen will never happen no military professor will tell you yes that’s plausible what they can
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    do is threaten to surround it and thereby fix the ukrainian forces in place there and divert reinforcements
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    that otherwise would have gone to donbass burnt them up to kiev and that was the purpose of what
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    the russians were doing and even the ukrainian military says that’s what they did and they were very effective at it
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    they didn’t suffer a defeat in kiev they came down they carried out a very forceful demonstration understand it a
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    demonstration attack has to be convincing which means you have to fight uh and you’re fighting
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    uh on terrain that is into the advantage of the ukrainians and the russians suffered losses
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    but they were always going to suffer losses when you carry out a convincing faint if the ukrainians don’t believe
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    that what you’re doing is real they’re not going to divert their their forces they have to buy into the notion that
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    you’re trying to surround kiev in order to do that you have to attack even when it’s not to your advantage to attack um
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    so the russians suffered some uh some setbacks there tactically but operationally and strategically kiev was a great victory
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    for russia because it achieved what they wanted to achieve the same thing with floating the ships off the coast of
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    odessa the the ukrainians believe that the russians might carry out an amphibious attack on odessa so they kept their
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    considerable forces in place in odessa and they reinforced them this freed up the russians to do what
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    their primary objective was on phase one which was to create a land bridge between crimea and russia
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    central to that land bridge is the city of mariopol mario paul of course is uh defended by
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    you know the the ukrainian marines very elite forces and also the azov regiment um a neo-nazi
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    unit of uh of some infamy so we shall say um
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    these two units decided that they were going to fight street to street uh and so mario paul has been destroyed
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    as a result uh people say oh it’s a war crime it’s not a war crime when the ukrainians made the decision to put a
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    tank next to a hospital that hospital is no longer a hospital it’s a military target when they dug into residential
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    areas those residential areas became a military target the russians worked with the ukrainian
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    government and the international humanitarian groups to create so-called humanitarian
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    corridors to evacuate as many people as possible but the azov regiment um opted
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    to keep over 150 000 ukrainians in place holding them hostage they
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    became human shields uh the belief being that russia wouldn’t bomb a neighborhood they had a lot of
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    civilians and they were right what the russians did is come in and fight very brutal house-to-house combat to clear
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    the nazis out now they have the nazis cornered in um in the azov steel factory and i think
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    we’re looking at the last hours of their existence they were given an opportunity to surrender they opted to fight and the
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    russians are obliging their desire to die in the cause of ukraine but now that you’ve cleared this land corridor
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    the russians now have shaped the battlefield to their advantage now they’re going to bring their forces down and they’re going to carry out what’s
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    called a a double envelope you’re going to come in from the south coming from the north and you’re going to surround
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    the ukrainian forces that have been fixed in place in the donbass this um again if it was doctrinally this
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    would take place very quickly russia would overwhelm them with artillery and punch through with armor but as putin
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    vladimir putin the president russia said the other uh last week he said um
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    i know there’s people that want us to go faster but we’re fighting on our timetable not
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    theirs uh he said this is going to be very literate campaign what he meant by that
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    is by the book they’re going by the book slowly but surely um the the goal to maximize the
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    enemy casualties with minimum impact on civilian infrastructure and the lowest possible casualties on the part of the
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    russians so they go slow they go sure they overwhelm with artillery where necessary they close with with infantry
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    and armor uh where where that’s uh provided and the end result usually unfortunately is the end of the day um
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    every day a couple hundred more ukrainians are dead maybe one or two russians are dead and
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    uh then they move on to the next day that kind of exchange ratio of the ukrainians can’t match today their their
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    military is depleted uh their command and control is virtually non-existent their logistics is is wiped out there’s
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    no more fuel there’s no more ammunition uh there’s no more vehicles to maneuver and uh i think we’re going to see in the
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    in the next day days and weeks the total collapse of the ukrainian army
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    now you’re saying that putin has undertaken a very restrained strategy here um very
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    restrained approach to this war why is it because he’s a nice guy
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    well i don’t i mean i’m not going to comment on him nice guy bad guy he’s a professional um he’s a he’s a russian
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    patriot who recognizes that you the ukrainians are slavic brothers
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    um this isn’t russia going to war against nazi germany this isn’t russia going to war against
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    finland and i use that name on purpose because the fins should be paying attention to what’s going on in ukraine right now and understand that um
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    if they keep pushing for nato membership this too could be their future um
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    yeah we’ll get into that if you want to but yeah these are slobs these are ukrainians
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    um these are these are brother slobs this is almost like a civil war without
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    the hatred on the part of russia’s side they don’t have animosity to the ukrainian people they don’t have
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    animosity toward the ukrainian army um so their goal isn’t wasn’t going in to destroy
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    ukraine you destroy the land of an enemy you preserve the land of a friend and
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    they view the ukrainian people as their friends as their brothers as their cousins
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    they have a problem with the government they have a problem with the military they became a nato proxy and they have a
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    huge problem with the neo-nazi ideology i mean i think most americans you know we
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    pooh-pooh that we go come on they’re not real nazis they’re just a couple of them it’s not a big deal first of all there’s more than a couple
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    of them and it is a big deal imagine if you would you know
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    being in the us military and someone came up to you and said well the american military’s a racist organization
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    no it isn’t we let everybody in but what if the kkk had a militia down in alabama
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    and uh overnight the u.s government went well why you guys organize that militia up and we’re going to make you a formal
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    we’re going to incorporate you into the u.s army intact the kkk battalion boom and then you can
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    become the kkk regiment you can bring all your brother kkk guys and you’re going to be a unit and we’re going to
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    put you on the border and you’re going to represent our country enforcing the border now
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    is the american military a racist military yes indeed because it has incorporated
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    and tolerate the most racist unit possible is the united states of america a racist country yes because we have
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    incorporated and tolerated racist military units intact we’ve mainstreamed
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    them we’ve legitimized them well that’s what ukraine has done with the nazis they’ve taken nazi units
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    they’ve brought them in and made them part of the army and then they’ve given them frontline positions
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    of authority on the battlefield and they’ve taken their officers and imbued them throughout the ukrainian military
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    the nazis run ukraine it is as simple as that now again people say well wait a
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    minute they’re a minority how can that happen well let’s talk about russian history for a second you know there was
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    two two groups uh that emerged from the revolution the mensheviks
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    and the bolsheviks menstruating means small bolsheviks mean big but the reality was
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    the mensheviks were the biggest party the [ __ ] the smallest party why did the bolsheviks win because they were
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    violent the bullshits came in and they killed they arrested they beat up they used
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    violence to seize control so a minority took control and defined the entire
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    early gears of the soviet union the nazis are a minority but they’re violent and they come in and they
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    intimidate they intimidated victor poroshenko the the president before zielinski uh they told him if he didn’t
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    pass their legislation if he didn’t push their legislation through parliament they would minimize on him my dawn being
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    the violent revolution that mainstreamed these nazis in 2014. they actually ransacked his office and
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    threatened to drag him out and and run him through the streets um normally he called that an insurrection
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    but uh that’s that’s what happened zielinski they told zielinski that if he if he
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    signed the minsk agreements creating a ceasefire that they would hang him by the neck until dead on the main street of
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    of of kiev the capital not not this wasn’t a secret thing that they did they made a video and broadcast
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    it so the azov battalion the nazis run ukraine they run every aspect of
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    ukraine this is why step on bandera the ukrainian nationalist who fought
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    side by side with adolf hitler during world war ii whose gunmen were the guys who pulled the trigger on the 30 000
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    jews at bobby yar his gunmen were the guys who guarded concentration camps his gunmen were
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    responsible for the deaths of a hundred thousand poles and two hundred thousand russians uh civilians
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    um he’s now the hero of ukraine they say well it’s just nationalism
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    really well what if i put up a statute of adolf hitler in germany and said don’t worry about it i’m not
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    supporting nazis it’s just german nationalism that i’m supporting no it doesn’t fly it
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    doesn’t fly with hitler in germany it doesn’t fly with bandera and ukraine but they’ve made they put up a statue they
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    have a national holiday he’s the national hero streets after him they put up monuments to the waffen ss units where the
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    ukrainian nationalists fight they have parades where the azov battalion put on nazi uniforms and march down the street
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    with their hands up in the air they have swastikas tattooed under the nazis run ukraine
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    that’s just uh that’s just the reality wow um i have to say i haven’t seen a whole
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    lot of evidence of their actual ideology the azov regiment i’ve seen lots of insignias which are
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    linked to the nazis for sure on their on their uniforms etc but i haven’t heard them talk i haven’t seen much discourse
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    from them that i could identify as nazi or fascist or anything can you tell me a little bit more about what the evidence
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    is besides bandera and what he represents well a key aspect to this this kind of
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    virulent nationalism is the concept of ethnic purity okay the uh the the
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    the ukrainian nationalists believe in an ethnically pure ukraine now where have we heard this before
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    nazi germany arabian nation ethnically pure germans um though they view the polls as
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    sub-human that’s why they target the polls for elimination they view the russians as sub-human they call them
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    orcs uh and if you haven’t seen the evidence uh go take a look at the uh russian speakers that they arrest and
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    that and saran wrap to a pole uh pull their pants down molest them in
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    public paint their face green um and it’s happened over and over and over again today right now as we speak
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    uh that’s what the nationals do um they the the term they use uh you
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    know glory to ukraine glory to the heroes dates back to um world war ii to
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    the to the banderas uh and again it’s about you know ukrainian purity um and that’s
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    the the biggest thing it’s it’s it’s the expression of ukrainian nationalism as a racially pure
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    uh homogeneous people uh that re that views anybody who’s not ukrainian as
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    sub-human so they don’t believe in like the slavic brotherhood i guess
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    no okay like i said they they view the russians as uh ethnically impure and um
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    and you know they they they call them orcs out of jr tolkien’s lord of the rings
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    okay um fairly persuasive and fairly troubling uh so the west is like the western media is lying about that uh and
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    they’re also apparently according to you lying about the basic fact of who’s winning the war
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    why why and this is very important and all sorts of politics behind this
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    why is the west portraying this war as a ukrainian victory why are they lying
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    about that well let’s let’s start off with the uh
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    with the media’s inability to tell the truth
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    we know that prior to the russian special military operation beginning
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    that the media had started to report on the uh the nazi threat coming out of
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    ukraine um magazines like the atlantic magazine atlantic monthly uh said you know
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    ukraine’s got a nazi problem the new york times ran front-page stories about
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    the nazis and how much problem this is u.s congress
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    when the u.s military would go over and train the ukr ukrainian military the u.s congress was
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    looking at photographs of a u.s servicemen training a uh azov battalion person who had a swastika and they said
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    whoa whoa whoa whoa time out you can’t do that so they passed legislation that said you can’t clean the nazis because
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    it was problematic that all went away when when russia started massing its troops it’s as
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    though we forgot there was a nazi problem we minimized it um you know it
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    suddenly was just this minority wasn’t a big deal so the west convinced itself
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    to lie about the reality of the nazi problem in ukraine they know what the truth is
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    but that truth is inconvenient with the new mission of elevating ukraine to
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    a cause worthy of american support and what does that cause the cause is going against vladimir
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    putin notice i didn’t say going against russia because the media doesn’t i will i i
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    will say that there’s there’s literally no russian experts on mainstream media today none
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    um you have anti-putin experts people who hate putin but you
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    don’t have anybody who can actually converse intelligently about the reality of russia
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    and if you’re treating this nation of 160 million people uh as the personification of one man
    26:52
    your ignorance is being worn on your sleeve vladimir putin is the elected
    26:57
    president of russia now he’s been elected for many many terms he’s been around for 22 years
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    some people will say that’s a dictatorship leaders don’t win presidential elections by 54 percent
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    uh dictators tend to win presidential elections by 98 percent right
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    54 is a little too close for comfort because russia is a democracy it’s not a perfect democracy but one of the reasons
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    why it lacks perfection is that the united states has corrupted the political opposition by buying them by
    27:28
    forming them to support their own policy of regime change now people say hey man i may have said that but we know he
    27:34
    didn’t mean it that’s not the american policy because they said so ask yourself this what was the reset of the obama
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    administration you remember 2009 a nice little red button misspelled uh hillary clinton and sergey lavrov
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    pushing it and laughing and chuckling and chortling that was a policy of regime change we were trying to empower the sitting
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    president dmitry medvedev who had done a cute little constitutional swap with putin in 2008 where putin became prime
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    minister medvedev became president uh because the the constitution of russia only allowed putin to serve two
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    consecutive terms but he could come back for a third um we decided the united states that
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    we were going to empower midviative to become the new boris yeltsin that is a weak compliant
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    leader who would do whatever we wanted to do so we could economically exploit russia and keep russia weak
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    um and and we put pressure on we tried to bribe medvedev we we did you know we
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    promised him things uh with arms control and missile defense and all this
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    um it was so bad that in march of 2011 vice president biden at the time under
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    obama who had the ukrainian portfolio flew to to moscow
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    and he met with the opposition ones that we bought and paid for and he said
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    vladimir putin shouldn’t consider running for president again it would be bad for him and bad for russia
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    sounds like a threat sounds like one of those mafia you know making him an offer he can’t refuse kind
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    of things it’s regime change we didn’t want vladimir putin to be in office because
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    vladimir putin was the opposite of boris yeltsin a strong leader who wanted to
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    have russia take care of russia first not bow to the united states not cave
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    into nato not allow western companies to come and economically exploit russia’s resources
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    um and putin came back into power and ever since then we’ve been demonizing him
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    we’ve been saying that he is the personification of evil he’s all that’s wrong with russia he’s a dictator he’s
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    an autocrat all the things that he’s not but the people that are saying this
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    are people who never studied russia they studied russian exploitation
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    what i mean by that is these are the people that were educated in the 19 late 1980s and 1990s they got their phds
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    about you know how to um how to exploit russia people like michael mcfaul who

  2. rosettasister Says:
    April 22, 2022 at 11:26 am

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    about you know how to um how to exploit russia people like michael mcfaul who
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    became a us ambassador senior advisor the architect of uh of the reset
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    um people like fiona hill and others if you go back one thing they all have in common is they wrote phds
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    that um that attacked putin as a dictator it’s almost as if they had the same
    30:28
    paper they just removed the cover and put on a cover sheet with a new name and they just run it through a phd
    30:35
    paper mill uh and they all said the same thing the vladimir putin is a dictator an autocrat and they defined russia and
    30:41
    the person of vladimir putin this is wrong this is ignorant that’s not what it is but that’s why we have
    30:48
    the media has bought into this i mean how else can you explain uh you know william browder
    30:54
    you know mr hermitage he was of the class that went in and economically exploited russia he went in
    31:01
    there and took advantage of loose russian tax laws loose russian laws to create the 250
    31:07
    billion dollar hedge fund uh how do you do that you can only do that if you yourself are corrupt and you are
    31:15
    you know playing a footloose and fancy free game the russians finally called him on it um you know just like vladimir
    31:21
    putin called in all the oligarchs and as soon as he became president said um you can’t get involved in politics you you
    31:27
    have to play a clean game they said the same thing to people like browder browder wouldn’t play clean game
    31:34
    so he was made persona non grata and his uh heads went broken up his lawyer uh
    31:39
    who’s not a lawyer by the way uh magnitsky was arrested died in prison and as a result we have the mcnixie act
    31:46
    which uh you know imposes sanctions and restrictions on russia but browder’s
    31:51
    been shown to be a liar nobody believes any aspect of a story and yet because
    31:56
    now that vladimir putin is the enemy router’s now brought back into
    32:02
    mainstream tv as if he is a russia expert he is brought in to explain russia he is
    32:09
    a common criminal he’s a man who stole from the russians robbed them blind
    32:14
    violated their tax laws and now he’s explaining the russian soul i guess to the american
    32:21
    people that’s the absurdity of of this position masha gessen
    32:30
    she writes for the new york new yorker and i’m going to say some things and it’s not reflective of me um
    32:37
    you know i’m an american which means you are what you are and i respect you
    32:42
    for it you can be left right you can be gay straight i don’t care as long as you
    32:49
    take that oath to the constitution i’m on your side unfortunately in russia it’s their their
    32:54
    own country and homosexuals are not viewed um in the same way uh and masha gessen is a
    33:02
    homosexual active in your face lesbian she was also a very prominent journalist um and she
    33:11
    ran a foul of russia because of their their homosexuality laws um and she resigned putin actually
    33:19
    tried to bring her back um you know he was like i underst you know i know what’s going on is wrong i’d
    33:25
    like you to come back she refused and she left she’s in the united states now um and she attacks russia she has every
    33:33
    right to do but understand that she is a single issue person so she has defined russia
    33:42
    through its laws and actions targeting homosexuals um
    33:49
    that’s not how you define russia i mean that’s one aspect of russia but that’s not how you define it and if
    33:54
    you choose to define it that way then it’s going to taint every aspect of your analysis and yet she’s being
    34:00
    mainstreamed and apple-bound yeah she i think she’s a pulitzer prize-winning author of her husband also is a
    34:08
    a right-wing polish uh diplomat who has some questionable political beliefs but she
    34:15
    is now being mainstreamed when otherwise she should be marginalized they’re bringing in the most radical
    34:22
    anti-putin elements in mainstreaming them on the media to explain russia to
    34:28
    the american people but they’re not explaining russia they’re simply articulating why they hate vladimir
    34:33
    putin and so the media is just the echo chamber for this but the beauty of it is
    34:40
    russia doesn’t care putin is not losing one night’s sleep
    34:45
    because of what the west side because it doesn’t matter one reason why it doesn’t matter is that we opted to go through
    34:52
    the great economic divorce the sanctions you know the one leverage we had on the
    34:58
    russians was that 20 to 30 percent of the economy was inextricably
    35:03
    linked to the west through economic relations and so we could always pressure them on
    35:10
    the margins not now we divorced we broke they didn’t break we broke and russia is
    35:16
    saying thank you it’s the most liberating moment in our life take a look at the russian economy right now
    35:22
    uh biden said i crashed the ruble no you didn’t nope harder now than it was for the invasion uh the the stock
    35:29
    market collapsed no no no it’s all green arrows going up that’s right um the russian people are suffering actually
    35:36
    their mark their shelves are full it may not be brand name western stuff but they’re not wanting they’re not
    35:42
    lacking they’re there is it hurting them yeah anytime you make this kind of transition it’s inconvenient are there
    35:49
    economic hiccups sure there’s a higher inflation rate than normal but it’s all being brought under control because the
    35:54
    russians have a plan because joe biden told putin he was going to do this back
    36:00
    in june 2021 when they met in geneva so putin had months to come up with a plan
    36:05
    guess who doesn’t have a plan west we promised these sanctions thinking
    36:10
    that russia would never ever uh you know take it to the limit that we’d never have to implement these because they’d be so horrible i mean
    36:17
    these are massive things whatever you know term you wanted to throw on there we threw on there
    36:22
    um news flash vladimir putin doesn’t bluff
    36:28
    doesn’t bluff there’s no bluff in him he doesn’t he’s not prone to hyperbole he doesn’t throw out irresponsible threats
    36:34
    but when he says something the wise man would take it to the bank because it’s going to happen
    36:40
    and he said if you ignore my diplomatic outreach in december 2021 i will invade ukraine we ignored his
    36:47
    diplomatic outreach he invaded ukraine and now we were stuck going i guess we have to sanction them
    36:53
    but germany went all right but joe you told me when i was visiting you you had some liquid natural natural gas
    37:00
    that you could bring over here oh yeah no we we don’t have any liquid natural gas we
    37:06
    can bring to you we got nothing your economy is going to collapse the french economy is going to collapse the european economy is going to collapse
    37:13
    that’s the reality as bad as this hurts russia it’s hurting europe more because joe biden didn’t have a plan because joe
    37:20
    biden didn’t treat russia seriously because joe biden bought into the cartoonish caricature of russia as a
    37:27
    nation ruled by one man of vladimir putin whom we’re not even getting right we call him corrupt he’s the least
    37:34
    corrupted politician in europe today uh we we call him irrational there’s
    37:39
    nothing impulsive about putin everything he does is planned very carefully um
    37:46
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    37:52
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    always have the ability not just the right to defend themselves
    40:06
    why why is putin completely unacceptable to the foreign
    40:11
    policy establishment in this country i have said for a while now that hardly anyone knows anything about putin in
    40:18
    this country but all of them hate him and all of them run the foreign policy of this country so why is that what is
    40:26
    it about him that they find to be absolutely unacceptable that they must remove him
    40:31
    when the soviet union collapsed in uh in 1990 1991 1992 um
    40:37
    the united states declared victory i mean we you know we we said we won and then we proceeded to spend the decade of
    40:44
    the 90s um taking the former soviet union apart either expanding nato into
    40:50
    the former eastern bloc countries or economically dissecting russia
    40:57
    taking the valuable pieces for our own and leaving russia with the rusted scraps
    41:04
    and for us this was good because it was an unequal relationship we had
    41:10
    we no longer had a soviet threat or a russian threat we had to worry about so we could begin the great
    41:16
    restructuring of nato we could have the peace dividend here at home
    41:21
    basically we reframed the rules based international order uh
    41:27
    on you know the the predicate of a defeated russia vladimir putin decided he’s not going to
    41:33
    play that game right when he was hand-picked by boris yeltsin to take over um in 1999 you know one of the first
    41:40
    things he said is um you know i’m looking out for russia i mean remember that famous speech he gave
    41:46
    where he said the greatest geopolitical disaster of the last century was the dissolution of
    41:52
    the soviet union they’re going he wants a new soviet union no because there’s a part two of that speech which
    41:58
    is because overnight tens of millions of russians became homeless and it’s my job as a russian president to look out for
    42:04
    the interests of all the russian people and you do that by taking control of your economy
    42:10
    you do that by kicking out bad influence you you can’t allow nations to come in and
    42:16
    have majority stock ownership of your oil and gas resources that can’t happen uh but that was happening you can’t
    42:23
    people allow people to just take all the wealth out of russia which is what the oligarchs were doing on behalf of the
    42:28
    west um he had to reverse that so he he called the oligarchs and he said the money you have you get to keep
    42:35
    but uh from now on you play it clean when it comes to the russian government and and the business you do with the russian government you look out for the
    42:42
    russian people and you stay out of politics if you can do that you can stay here
    42:47
    well some of them could some left and some tried to get involved in politics and got arrested and had their uh had
    42:52
    their oil conglomerate taken over by the state you know but by and large he brought the
    42:58
    the oligarchs under control and in doing so he diminished western economic control of russia and that’s why he’s
    43:05
    mad because now we have to deal with russia as an adult nobody wants to deal with russia as an adult that wasn’t ever the plan russia
    43:12
    was always going to be the sick child that we could abuse um like we did with boris yeltsin
    43:18
    there is so much anger and resentment in the west towards vladimir putin because he
    43:23
    flipped the script he changed the narrative and nobody wanted that narrative nobody wanted to
    43:30
    deal with a strong russia again nobody wanted to deal with a russia that would look out for its own interests
    43:36
    nobody wanted to compete with russian energy we wanted to own russian energy but we didn’t want to compete with russian
    43:42
    energy uh everything putin did to make russia a stronger more self-sufficient
    43:47
    respected nation on the world stage may encounter the narrative that was being pursued by the united states and western
    43:55
    europe so that’s why there’s so much hatred and resentment towards putin now if you knew russia studied russia
    44:02
    you could mitigate this concern by understanding why this is happening
    44:07
    and recognizing that it’s not a threat to europe that this is actually actually the best thing that could happen to
    44:13
    europe that we don’t need a sick man of europe we need a healthy russia to be a
    44:18
    part a partner with europe but we’re not capable of that because that
    44:23
    requires us to ratchet down the level of hegemony that we enjoy it means we have to share
    44:30
    we don’t like to share especially when we have it we stole it from russia we brought it in and now russia’s saying i
    44:36
    want it back but we don’t want to share it we don’t want to give it back so there’s that’s why there’s this deep-seated resentment
    44:42
    in the west towards vladimir putin i thought it was that clinton the clintons and the
    44:48
    foreign policy establishment wanted nato in russia they wanted russia to be a part of nato ultimately and that putin
    44:54
    wouldn’t play that game and that’s why they need to remove him is that wrong just the opposite um
    45:01
    when when the soviet union or when germany reunited and um you know the
    45:07
    people need to remember that germany once was a disgusting hateful nation
    45:13
    under adolf hitler and that the world went to war to destroy it to defeat it and germany was
    45:18
    occupied uh broken into a western half and an eastern half um
    45:24
    today we have this sort of romanticized ver you know vision of germany there’s some sort of this nice munich beer hole
    45:35
    was where evil was born raised nurtured and grew into
    45:40
    this horrible adult um germany never really paid the price it
    45:46
    needed to pay you know one of the things that was talked about the end of the second world war was denying germany the ability to
    45:52
    reconstitute its industrial capacity because when you combine industrial capacity with german nationalism you get
    46:00
    some problems now we felt that because germany was divided in the east and west that we could avoid this the other thing we
    46:07
    people wanted to avoid was the militarization of germany that’s why even though we allowed west german military to build up a military part of
    46:13
    nato uh one of the constitutional elements was that that military couldn’t deploy outside of german soil
    46:20
    um somehow we forgot about this when germany was reunified well the russians
    46:26
    did they they reminded us that they had 450 000 troops in east germany for a
    46:31
    reason for a reason because it was a defeated nation and before you reunify germany you better
    46:38
    have a plan about what’s going to happen when germany becomes one this giant industrial nation in the center of
    46:45
    europe with a military what do you do so the russians said you can’t move the
    46:50
    military east of the current borders meaning that germany can be reunified
    46:56
    but nato can’t expand into east germany and everybody went yeah not one inch
    47:01
    eastward then under clinton we lied right expanded nato
    47:06
    meanwhile the warsaw pact dissolved and now what happened in the warsaw pact is you have these these broken nations and
    47:12
    europe was very worried about um instability along the lines of what we saw with
    47:19
    yugoslavia yugoslavia broke up fighting in bosnia and herzegovina and croatia and serbia etc
    47:25
    so how do you keep instability from breaking out in former soviet blocs
    47:30
    you use nato as a vehicle of stability of engendering stability but as you
    47:36
    absorb these nations you absorb absorb their outlook and their ideology
    47:41
    poland for instance is very anti-russian the baltic states very anti-russian so we absorb them
    47:49
    and you know who saw this and was uncomfortable not bill clinton putin
    47:55
    putin gave a gave an address where he said i’m going to tell you something i haven’t told anybody before
    48:00
    he said in 2000 uh maybe 2000 2001 before while clint was
    48:06
    still president before bush became president so it was 2000 i guess he met with uh clinton
    48:12
    and he said uh hey you know you’re doing all this expansion of nato and stuff why don’t you just invite us in oh let
    48:18
    us be a member and that way nobody has to be threatened because we’re all part of the same club wow
    48:24
    and clinton said no right clinton said no so it wasn’t that clinton wanted um
    48:30
    you know wanted russia nato russia wanted to be part of nato and nato said no because nato can’t exist without
    48:38
    russia nato needs an enemy and that enemy’s name is russia
    48:46
    fascinating i’d forgotten that he had asked for inclusion in nato that’s right yeah um
    48:53
    it’s uh and what they’ve had to do over the last eight years or so is demonize putin convince you know housewives who
    49:01
    watch msnbc that to hate putin just as much as they love black lives matter and to do that i noticed that they deployed
    49:07
    the homophobia thing early on that was the first way in which they smeared putin to get because otherwise america typical americans watching cable news
    49:14
    don’t care about stuff except that kind of thing when they find out that your person you have a characterological flaw
    49:20
    that you hate people that you’re a bigot etc then they can get behind hating you and supporting a war against you i
    49:25
    thought that was fascinating but that’s so they need you’re saying that they need the enemy of russia to to justify their own
    49:31
    existence nato the uh you know lord ismae a british
    49:38
    general was the first uh secretary general of nato um and when he was asked
    49:45
    you know how would you define nato he said the the mission of nato
    49:50
    is to keep the germans down the russians out and the americans in in
    49:58
    and um that that’s what you need look the united states isn’t stupid
    50:03
    um without you know trying to to to say glorious things about our former
    50:08
    president donald trump touched the nerve um you know
    50:14
    and that i mean in a good way in a bad way but you know when he said what is nato
    50:22
    why are we part of this thing it’s a it’s it’s it’s it’s lived it past its usefulness
    50:28
    soviet unions no more why is it here and why should i pay for it right why am
    50:34
    i paying for it and a lot of americans went yeah why uh and now we come to the crux of the
    50:40
    thing keep america in nato can’t work without the united states
    50:47
    european unity is a joke there is no european unity
    50:52
    the united states is the glue that holds europe together it is as simple as that
    50:58
    you remove the united states from the process and europe will collapse like a house of cards that doesn’t mean you’re
    51:03
    gonna go to war with each other but the they will start because right now there’s no doubt when you look at nato
    51:09
    who the top dog is there’s literally no debate it’s the united states of course nothing happens
    51:15
    in nato without the united states wanting it to happen right so you remove
    51:20
    the united states from nato and now immediately you’re going to go into um three directions
    51:27
    got the british who frankly nowadays are just a mid-sized economy with the military that’s a joke so irrelevant
    51:34
    nobody cares so much so that when the british minister of defense visited croatia recently the croatian prime
    51:39
    minister said i’m not going to meet him i mean he’s got a his army is nothing and um they’re no longer part of the
    51:46
    european uh union so wow i’m not meeting them so he left the british minister of defense standing there pulling his help
    51:53
    but um but you know then you have france and germany which have two totally opposite
    51:59
    views on how europe should function you know france wants free spending liberal democracy the germans want more
    52:06
    conservative banker type economy and you see the fight they had with greece trying to you know uh
    52:12
    buy out the you know get the greeks on on the road to economic recovery and the debates that were happening there
    52:18
    without the united states is say the uh the the the
    52:23
    you know the rods that go into the reactor europe would go critical mass and blow up so
    52:28
    you got to keep america in america is not going to stay in nato to keep the french and the germans happy
    52:36
    america is going to stay in nato if you define a threat worthy of the effort
    52:41
    and the only threat in europe worthy of the effort is the russian threat so we had to make russia an enemy
    52:48
    and we’ve been trying real hard to do just that even if the russians don’t want to be our enemy we’ve made them our
    52:55
    enemy what does the us want from this war i have heard uh some people suggest that
    53:02
    they want they want a prolonged war to to hurt russia to bleed putin is this
    53:09
    is this your take on it first of all i don’t believe
    53:14
    anybody thought anybody in power thought russia would invade not until the very end that’s right so
    53:22
    therefore we have to give minimal attention to those who were
    53:28
    seeking to make ukraine the second afghanistan because it can’t be a second afghanistan if you don’t think the russians are
    53:34
    going to invade right everybody’s jumping onto that now now now you see a lot of people trying
    53:40
    to redefine what what america should be getting from ukraine so they’re rapidly
    53:45
    saying well let’s turn it into a second afghanistan but that’s a knee-jerk reaction as
    53:50
    opposed to a real long term we were looking to make ukraine
    53:58
    a part of nato and in doing so um so overextending russian
    54:04
    uh military spending that russia would uh repeat the
    54:10
    errors of the soviet union spend itself to death and collapse because our goal
    54:16
    in russia is regime change we are doing everything possible to create the conditions inside russia
    54:24
    for the russian voter to vote vladimir putin out of office or
    54:29
    for the russian electorate to rise up through color revolution type demonstrations
    54:35
    and push him out or to create so many economic
    54:40
    difficulties that putin’s inner circle turns on him and throws him out but the
    54:46
    the goal of the united states is to get rid of vladimir putin that’s what we’re hoping to achieve and that’s what we’re
    54:52
    trying to achieve now the the thinking now is that if we can turn ukraine into a tar baby
    54:59
    with russia in there stuck can’t get out leading resources economic collapsing around that putin won’t belong for this
    55:06
    political world that his time in office will reach its end and that’s our goal that’s why we
    55:13
    continue to pour in you know hundreds of millions of dollars of military assistance even though
    55:19
    any rational actor knows this war is over this war is all you’re doing
    55:24
    is irritating the russians and the russians have said so it appears the only thing you want to do is kill russians and kill ukrainians while
    55:31
    you’re at it but you’re not going to change the outcome but russia has put up you know they they
    55:36
    sent it to marsh yesterday i believe where they said stop sending the weapons or we’re going to have to do things to
    55:41
    make it more difficult for you to send weapons um but you know that our goal right now is
    55:47
    to lengthen this thing to make it a um a military disaster and therefore a
    55:53
    political disaster for vladimir putin so i’m a little confused about something so you made a compelling argument that
    55:59
    the west and the united states in particular needs a strong and maybe obstinate russia to justify the
    56:06
    existence of nato and to justify u.s involvement with nato but then you’re
    56:11
    also saying that they want regime change they want to get rid of putin get rid of the strong man get rid of strong russia
    56:17
    so i don’t know why they would want regime change if they also need a strong and well remembered and uh yeah and
    56:24
    offensive russia when did when did nato uh begin expanding the 1990s right who is the president of
    56:32
    russia boris yeltsin right the epitome of the weak russian leader
    56:38
    okay nato will thrive on a weak russia
    56:44
    but in order to talk about expanding nato today militarily and stuff you need a
    56:51
    strong russia so you know and when you’re going to confront somebody you don’t confront to lose you confront to
    56:58
    win you have an objective uh believe me this wouldn’t be the first time that nato had to sit back and
    57:03
    redefine itself um you know but if nato succeeded in getting rid of vladimir putin then nato
    57:09
    would sit back and redefine stuff this is why you saw nato in search of enemies uh in the early 2000s uh that’s why they
    57:16
    went to libya what role does nato play in libya none
    57:21
    but apparently they do that’s why they went to afghanistan why does a north atlantic treaty organization have to be
    57:28
    in afghanistan what were they doing in iraq how come nato had a presence in the persian gulf why is nato prior to this
    57:35
    war talking about establishing a presence in the pacific because nato is an organization that in
    57:41
    order to survive as an organization must be continuously in search of enemies
    57:47
    right now vladimir putin is their enemy if they can defeat vladimir putin they’re going to be looking to china as
    57:53
    their enemy they’re going to be finding new enemies because nato is a military alliance who can only justify its
    57:59
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    58:05
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  3. rosettasister Says:
    April 22, 2022 at 11:28 am

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    slash fad don’t but don’t the state department and
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    the council on foreign relations and the clinton foundation all want russia to be part of nato isn’t that their ultimate
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    objective it seems to me that that would be the time when they pop the champagne and really celebrate when they have
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    russia in the fold nobody wants russia to be part of nato there’s not a serious player out there
    1:00:31
    right now that’s that’s asking russia to be part of nato russia you know putin may have made the offer but i
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    think putin made the offer to join nato knowing the answer he was going to get but uh because it would be problematic
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    for russia as well uh because russia isn’t in a european country it has part
    1:00:48
    of its country in europe but russia is a eurasian country they stretch all the way out to the pacific and so uh you
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    know russia’s problems are not nato’s problems but um no nobody nobody wants
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    russia to be part of nato no nato country because russia would dominate nato it’s the biggest country in the world
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    okay yeah that’s interesting i had always thought just the opposite i’d always assume that that’s what the clintons wanted and
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    that’s why they went hard on expanding nato eastward but that makes sense to me the the necessity of an enemy for sure
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    yeah um it sounds like you are somewhat sympathetic to the
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    russian side in this conflict is that right let me let me
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    answer it this way first of all um i
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    didn’t want a war and i’m not happy there is a war because this war has brought about
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    untold suffering to the people of ukraine uh there are millions of refugees
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    there are millions of people displaced there are thousands of dead tens of thousands of dead perhaps
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    so to say that i’m sympathetic to the russian cause would somehow imply
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    that i think this war is a good war i don’t know i think this war could have been avoided
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    it should have been avoided um but i put the blame more on nato and ukraine than i do on
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    russia is does russia have some fault yes but i mean how much how long do you ask your country to to back up and at
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    one point in time when they hit the brick ball and there’s no room to go backwards do you accept that they they
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    can’t continue to move russia did everything possible to avoid this war
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    um so they went to war now
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    having said that then if this war becomes a tragic inevitability
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    um then you have to look at the you know why is this war being fought
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    if this was war was being fought to destroy ukraine i i couldn’t support it i i couldn’t support it i couldn’t say
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    you know okay um if this war was being fought to uh recreate the soviet union i
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    couldn’t support it this war is being fought to guarantee the
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    permanent neutrality of ukraine i support that i understand the russian position
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    this war is being fought to destroy the odious ideology of
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    bondarism nazism [Music] you sign me up i’m sorry um
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    no i don’t have any sympathy for these people my country went to war against their
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    ideological forefathers um i thought we had won that war apparently we hadn’t and um
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    russia is in the business of killing nazis and the business is good right now and i know that’s not a very humanistic thing
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    to say but yeah i don’t view the nazis as humans so sorry
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    uh the demilitarization you know that that’s hand in glove with uh with neutrality you can’t
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    make the ukrainian military a proxy of nato and pretend that you haven’t
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    de facto expanded nato into ukraine so i think russia has every right to
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    ask the ukrainian military to um be restructured in a manner that it
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    doesn’t have you know a nato influence russia wanted to do this peacefully they’ve been forced to do it other ways
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    the war has changed too um because of the heavy fighting i think russia has been
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    compelled to re-examine its um what the outcome is going to be and i
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    don’t mean that russia’s backing off russia is is winning this war but they’ve lost too many men
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    and the ukrainian government has harmed too many russians to ever allow
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    the russian-speaking territories to be governed by ukrainians again where i think putin would have been
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    accepted early on the uh crimea being permanently russian
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    and don jessica luganz having independent status maybe to renegotiate their entry
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    back into ukraine at some future date those days are over i think now we’re looking at
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    um the creation of more independent russian states within ukraine that will
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    eventually i think unify into something called novoja rocia and it’ll be a new russian state within
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    russia and ukraine brought it on itself um how far this dismantling goes i don’t know
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    what’s going to happen to western ukraine what’s going to happen to the areas of
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    uh ukraine that have primarily hungarian speaking population or romanian population if russia starts carving out
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    the russian-speaking population will other people make a play and and what will be left and normally i
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    would say this this is unacceptable this is totally unacceptable except
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    i think the ukrainian government has lost the right to exist and just like nazi germany uh lost the
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    right to exist in its current form uh you know at the end of world war ii we carved germany up people tend to forget
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    that we gave away cilicia to the polls [Music] we we gave away prussia to the to the
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    polls and to the russians and the reason why is that we couldn’t have a donzig corridor like there was
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    after world war one um that there couldn’t be separate because the germans would always want to march east to
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    reunify their territory so they permanently took it away from them and i think um this this ukrainian nationalism
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    is just as odious as the german nationalism gave br gave birth to the
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    nazi ideology and i i think that uh russia is going to have to come up with a um a solution to ukraine um that’s
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    going to make ukraine look far different than what it looked like before this war started again zielinski
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    could have stopped this simply by saying i won’t join nato right there this war would never have
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    happened wow um how many casualties do you think there have been
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    well the russians you know again you would never know this by the western media
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    let me let me put it this way just about everything put out by the ukrainian government has been proven to be a lie
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    um but it’s part and parcel of a overall information warfare campaign being waged
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    by the ukrainian government in concert with the united states great great britain with the full complicity of the western media
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    i mean you know how how do the ukrainians fire a missile tolca you
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    um it hits a train station kills over 50 people and they blame it on the russians
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    russians don’t own that missile the missile came from ukrainian territory in the vicinity of where the
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    only brigade that operates this missile operates but somehow the ukrainians went no it was the russians without any
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    evidence any proof and the media repeats it no it was a ukrainian missile that was fired it probably it was an old
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    missile uh its maintenance was probably questionable and it probably malfunctioned and that’s why it fell
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    short and hit the train station why can’t the ukrainian government just say yep that was us it was an accident
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    boom everything that happens has to be spun so it puts russia into bad light the
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    russians meanwhile everything they’ve said has turned out to be accurate and truthful
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    so i believe the russian candidate the russians claim that they can document over 23 000 ukrainian debt oh my god
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    and they have published some of these documents that are captured documents
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    at the battle of mario pole alone i think the ukrainian started with uh 14 000 defenders
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    the russians have captured close to 2 100. um
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    ukrainians claim that there were 4 000 left left in the in the center
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    uh a couple thousand might have been evacuated because they were wounded but that leaves you know four or five
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    thousand dead zilinski just came out and said oh the most we’ve suffered is two to three
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    thousand dead total we know that at least four to five thousand ukrainians have died mario
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    soldiers so we know zielinski’s lying we also know that the rest of the ukrainian military has suffered
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    massive casualties so um you know at the end of the day we won’t know until the war is over and um and
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    all the data is put out there and you know the the victor goes the narrative you know so you know we’ll i believe
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    russia’s going to win and i think russia will be in control of that because the proof won’t be on the battlefield um
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    you know you can only lie right now as long as the media allows you to lie but when russia wins this war and has
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    control of flow of information um i think russia will be able to document
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    the horrific cost of this war to both sides both sides have suffered
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    death and destruction the likes of which no nation in modern times has suffered the equivalent of except maybe the
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    iraqis and the iranians during the iran iraq war and um you know in the in the 1980s they suffered significant cash but in terms
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    of europe no no european country has suffered these kinds of losses since world war ii is this worse than the war in chechnya
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    was a very limited war um but i think that the chechen conflict um
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    it was also a different conflict a lot of people call it you know a russian versus catchment conflict but the
    1:10:31
    chechen conflict was actually a civil war between rival clans chechen clans
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    some who were against the russians some who fought for the russians and we saw that the pro-russian
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    clans won that’s why you have cadre of today uh in in charge um but if there’s
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    a russia versus chechen then you wouldn’t have could drive being the president you wouldn’t have chechened troops fighting alongside the russians
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    uh in ukraine today but i think the battle for grosney was a um
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    an example of what happens when uh when modern cities meet modern weaponry
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    uh we’re seeing that in mario pool but ask yourself what other uh another uh
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    ukrainian city has suffered like mario pool none why because the russians aren’t in the
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    business of destroying cities they’re in the business of destroying the ukrainian military and achieving
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    denosification they were in the business of destroying ukrainian cities why is it they continue to allow
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    president zielinski to give interviews why why can he why can he speak to congress to to congress to the
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    parliament etc and get hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid it would be in russia’s interest to shut
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    that down but they’re not because this is a special military operation not war
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    they want to keep us zelinski alive you think if they didn’t want him alive he’d be dead it’s that simple he’s the easiest
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    man in the world to kill why why do they want him alive well i think the more this drags on the
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    less utility he has so zielinski should be careful because um putin’s already said there’s gonna be no negotiation so
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    that uh that takes away some of zelinski’s value but you know again we come down
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    why would the russians let a man who was 23 popularity before this war began uh that’s zelinski um who you know the
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    great democrat had arrested all this political opposition and shut down all of the uh
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    the the opposition press uh mr democracy in order to survive had
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    to double down on going to bed with the nazis had to meet with them give them medals for heroism to bring them into
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    his government to keep himself viable um russia should have just let this man
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    stew in his own jews and the and the nazis would have killed but instead
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    the russians allowed him to become this larger than life character
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    he’s now the winston churchill of ukraine he’s the abraham lincoln of ukraine he’s to george washington of
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    ukraine i mean you say it he is it king leonidas in the 300 that’s him i mean every
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    why would russia want this and the answer is simple because there will be a surrender
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    there will be a surrender document and there will be surrender terms do you have a failed 23
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    president sign that document or do you have winston churchill which one brings more credibility to
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    the terms i think russia has allowed zielinski to be elevated to the status that whatever
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    peace comes out of this uh will be a piece that europe must accept because
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    winston church said it was okay that would be brilliant on putin’s
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    part if that’s what he’s thinking yes um so um
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    the media in this country and across the west i believe has been telling me consistently
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    since the beginning of the conflict in february that the conflict began there is no history the conflict began in
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    february with the russian invasion because according to them it was a quote and this is the word that’s used an
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    unprovoked attack uh what’s your answer to that and you can take it back to 2014 you can take it
    1:14:16
    back further if you want but you know this is what they are all saying to us every day it was an unprovoked attack
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    well we’ve already talked about my and the elevation of the
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    militant right into a militarized group what people a lot of people don’t
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    realize is after maidan the radical nationalists got the ukrainian parliament to pass
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    some laws that banned the russian language and uh limited uh
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    what it meant to be russia because remember it’s about ukrainian purity um and so
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    the russians of course were appalled by the russian citizens of ukraine the russian speakers the ethnic
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    russians the nazis went down to odessa in may of 2014
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    and there were counter demonstrations that got violent they ended up gathering up 150 russian
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    protesters and they jammed them into um a a a government home it’s not the house
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    of culture but it’s you know it’s an official structure and set it on fire yeah close
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    to 50 people burned to death russians um all of the russian people are watching
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    this going what’s going on they ran through the streets beating russians then they tried
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    to make a move on crimea and that’s when the little green men came in uh and putin said no
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    crimea is ours we’re sorry so that’s when they moved up to the donbas
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    they set up in mario pool that’s where azov battalion was born because mario paul is on the sea of azov
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    so it became the azov battalion because the the ideology isn’t natural to the
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    east the ideology comes from the woof in the west but the azo battalion set up
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    nazi central in market poll and became the frontal assault on the russians in
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    the donbas and the russians rose up the russian speakers rose up they said no more
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    the ukrainian army was sent in and now we have a near civil war that with the russian government providing some
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    weapons uh and and they’re fighting from 2014 to 2022 eight
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    years incessant warfare nonstop the the the root cause of which is of course the
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    ukrainian nationalist seeking to ban purify ukraine of of of russian
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    influence um now victor poroshenko the president before zielinski gave a speech a famous
    1:16:50
    speech where he or infamous speech depending on your point of view where he he he shouted out he said if you’re in a
    1:16:57
    crane in the donbas if you’re in a cr ukrainian child you will go to kindergarten you will
    1:17:03
    play in the playground you will come home at night and eat dinner with your family if you are a russian you will
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    live in fear in the basement because we will show you every single day now the world can sit there and go
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    huh if you’re a russian living in donbass meant that your children were terrorized for eight years now we come
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    back we talked about putin’s speech remember the one about the soviet union collapsing but the greatest tragedy was
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    vladimir putin’s a president that promised that he would defend all russians
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    so what’s happening in donbass is problematic for him he tried to get a peaceful
    1:17:42
    solution the minsk accords but both poroshenko and zielinski were told by azov that they would be killed if they
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    implemented the mexican courts so there was no hope for ending the
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    fighting and indeed it was just the opposite zielinski said we’re going to
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    recapture donbass ourselves so he built up in his own words he said it’s the finest
    1:18:06
    soldiers in the ukrainian army we’re concentrated in the donbas
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    and the russians say that’s because they were preparing to launch an attack to push out the russians from donbass to
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    recapture it for ukraine so russia’s feeling was that if you’re going to defend russians
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    uh you know end this violence that’s going on you have to preempt this ukrainian attack
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    and so that’s what russia has done um you know the bottom line is russia has
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    articulated what i believe to be a cognizable case under article 51 of the
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    united nations charter a preemptive self-defense a collective self-defense
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    um it’s a it’s a legally sound excuse everybody says this is an illegal war of aggression no
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    you want to know what an illegal war of aggression was the united states invading iraq that was an illegal war of aggression russia on
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    the other hand has done everything right by the book they followed the law
    1:19:05
    assiduously it just the west first of all west isn’t smart enough to understand the law that russia is
    1:19:10
    following because we’re so used to united states just acting any way it wants to um but russia did everything
    1:19:17
    right checked off every check box dotted every eye crossed every t in order to justify its military action
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    okay so do you believe that ukraine was actually on the verge of attacking
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    russian territory no they’re on the verge of attacking the donbass russians
    1:19:38
    right russians russians in the donbass russian people right then but then russia did something
    1:19:43
    clever people they the the back in 2014 lugansk and
    1:19:49
    donetsk asked to be independent um they declared their independence they asked russia to recognize this and
    1:19:55
    incorporate them into russia they said no you’re part of ukraine he said we will fight for your rights to
    1:20:01
    have your language your culture and to to live as russians russian speakers but
    1:20:06
    you’re part of ukraine you must we have to respect that sovereignty now
    1:20:12
    if they kept that position russia would have no legitimate reason to attack ukraine because this is an
    1:20:18
    internal ukrainian problem so in order to justify this russia
    1:20:24
    recognized the independence of these two countries and and made them independent states
    1:20:30
    so now it’s not an internal ukrainian problem it’s a ukraine versus two independent states who have asked russia
    1:20:37
    to come to their assistance and that’s where article 51 uh preemptive collective self-defense comes
    1:20:44
    in so even though ukraine isn’t attacking russia they are attacking an independent state that’s part of a
    1:20:49
    collective security agreement that russia plays a role in and russia is defending them
    1:20:54
    okay now what do you think is are they going to take kiev is russia going to take kids
    1:21:01
    are they going to take the whole country what what are you predicting here well i don’t think russia wants to take
    1:21:07
    kiev because again it’s a city of 3.1 million um i believe kiev will surrender
    1:21:12
    just like um you know i you know i can’t speak for for putin i don’t know
    1:21:20
    what the pain tolerance is what i can say is that the russians have said they are going to denazify ukraine
    1:21:27
    and to me you can’t denotify ukraine until you’ve captured levov
    1:21:32
    until you’ve put high explosives on the statue of stepon bandera and blow it up
    1:21:37
    and until you ensure that kiev changes its constitution and its legislation
    1:21:42
    outlawing um the the bandera movement forever they can step on bandera is
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    illegal to celebrate in ukraine as adolf hitler is illegal to celebrate in uh
    1:21:53
    in germany now russia has mobilized sixty thousand reserves these aren’t frontline troops
    1:22:00
    they’re not coming in to uh to fight um these are troops that are more conducive to rear area security which tells me
    1:22:06
    that once russia defeats the main forces in donbas that they will make a move on
    1:22:12
    odessa and then they will make a move on the wolf and
    1:22:17
    the 60 000 troops will guard the rear area while the what’s left of the 200 000 troops finishes the
    1:22:24
    job i can’t imagine any scenario doesn’t involve russia
    1:22:29
    physically terminating the um the the political parties that um
    1:22:35
    gave birth to the the azov battalion that glorify step
    1:22:41
    on bandera and you can’t do that by long distance you do that the russian way which is
    1:22:46
    they have lists of names they’re going to go in they’re going to capture them they resist they’re going to kill them
    1:22:52
    it’s that easy because nazis don’t deserve to live a normal life
    1:22:58
    they either die they’re found guilty and they repent and then
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    whatever restorative justice russia is willing to remember russia released um
    1:23:08
    you know nazis you know some of the hardcore nazis ten years after world war ii ended you know many of
    1:23:14
    these guys were captured in 1945 and russia kept them in prison until 1955 then they were allowed
    1:23:20
    to return home so it’s not hopeless but the point is um i don’t think this campaign ends without
    1:23:27
    some sort of conclusive resolution to the problem of the bandera movement in ukraine
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    they’re going to go round up all the nazis and kill them kill them or capture them
    1:23:40
    that’s a grim business they chose it when you when you when you when you
    1:23:45
    decide to uh dance with the devil the fires of hell are going to burn you and i’m not a religious man i’m just
    1:23:51
    saying that you know this this is it and what i don’t get is why the average
    1:23:58
    american isn’t not in their head yes at this point i mean for goodness sake if i
    1:24:03
    put schindler’s list on on tv i’ll have people ready to line
    1:24:09
    you get the average american to watch saving private ryan and by the time you know tom hanks has breached the wall
    1:24:15
    gets up there these guys are gunning down the germans you’re like yeah shoot him shoot him shoot him because you hate
    1:24:20
    him and that’s just a movie that’s fake imagine reality where these
    1:24:26
    pigs are raping on a daily basis and videotaping
    1:24:32
    it and putting it on the internet where they’re saran wrapping people to poles painting their faces green
    1:24:38
    sexually abusing them in public where they murder russian prisoners of war on
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    tape torture russia and prisoners of war this is who they are this is the real
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    ideology this is the like a religion of hate i don’t get why americans are saying
    1:24:56
    yeah no i could understand some distance if we hadn’t fought world war ii if we hadn’t paid the blood price if we
    1:25:02
    hadn’t gone to total war against nazi germany and we just been observers maybe we wouldn’t take it so personal
    1:25:10
    but we did that and guess who else takes it personal the russians 23 to 32 million people
    1:25:17
    died in world war ii destroying nazi germany you think they’re gonna let it resurrect itself
    1:25:22
    next door in ukraine never never that’s powerful yeah i’ve i’ve been to
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    the soviet i was in the soviet union in 1987 and they took us on a tour of some of the military cemeteries
    1:25:37
    and of world war ii and this was just a an open field that went to the horizon
    1:25:43
    in which there were mass graves each the size of a football field each with 10 000 bodies in them
    1:25:49
    and you could see that stretching to the horizon one football sized
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    uh field uh cemetery after another after another after another it is
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    world war ii runs through the cult the culture of russia like nothing else i mean they it is on
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    the top of their mind all the time and certainly as a state as a nation state it’s always on the top of the russian
    1:26:12
    mind right look what’s what’s the number one holiday in russia may 9th victory right victory day yeah
    1:26:18
    victory day when was the last time the united states held a parade on victory in europe day right we forgot we don’t
    1:26:24
    we don’t i mean we may have back in the day when we had a number of work but now that the guys are dying out of sight out of mind
    1:26:31
    guess who’s not out of sight out of mind in russia there may not be any veterans left but the sons and daughters the grandsons and
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    granddaughters carry the photographs of their relatives who served and they call themselves the
    1:26:43
    immortal regiment and they parade by the tens of thousands in every city in russia on may 9th in honor of what
    1:26:51
    happened never forget never forgive that’s the other thing never forget and
    1:26:57
    never forgive the nazis don’t deserve your forgiveness and um
    1:27:03
    that’s why we don’t get it that’s why putin is more popular today than ever that’s why the russians are
    1:27:10
    rallying behind this war it’s not you know that they’re susceptible to propaganda it’s that this is their life
    1:27:18
    this is their dna this is their blood and we don’t get it here we’re the
    1:27:23
    ignorant ones we’re the ones not understanding what’s going on you can’t allow neo-nazi ideology to
    1:27:31
    resurrect itself in the heart of europe you can’t and russia is making sure that it won’t
    1:27:37
    happen the west may be uncomfortable with it but believe me we owe them a great debt
    1:27:43
    of gratitude when this is all done okay so you see this very clearly as a just war then
    1:27:49
    yeah i mean i wish it didn’t i wish there was a way to that they could have avoided this conflict i think had they
    1:27:56
    chosen that ukraine chosen perpetual neutrality um and a settlement of the minsk accords
    1:28:04
    that ukraine might have been able to allow this
    1:28:10
    because the nazis the nazi ideology can’t grow unless there’s it’s there’s a
    1:28:16
    festering cesspool of hate this war has given them the hate that’s why you’re seeing them taking even more
    1:28:22
    control right now but if russia had been able to create a condition of peace
    1:28:27
    peaceful coexistence non-violence no nato no you know no nato trainers coming
    1:28:33
    in and training the azo battalion there’s no longer a reason for the azo battalion to exist
    1:28:38
    um maybe this these right-wingers could have sunk back into the cesspool from
    1:28:44
    where they came um even though they’re they would exist they wouldn’t be a dominant force and
    1:28:50
    that’s okay um i wish that had happened but now that it’s happened and this ideology
    1:28:57
    has taken root and moved rapidly throughout all of ukrainian society
    1:29:04
    then it’s a just war and the the number one justification for this war is
    1:29:10
    the destruction of nazi ideology i’m going to have to sit with that for a
    1:29:15
    while and think about it it’s it’s hard for me to accept what you’re saying um but i respect that i mean
    1:29:21
    look i come at it you know i know you know i i have a certain reputation in the american
    1:29:27
    anti-war movement because of my stance on iraq if you mistake me for a pacifist oh yeah
    1:29:32
    you’re wrong if you call me anti-war no of course i hate war
    1:29:38
    i despise war but i recognize that the human condition
    1:29:44
    is deeply flawed and sometimes evil manifests itself in a manner where war is the only solution
    1:29:52
    and if that’s going to happen you need people like me who have made war their business
    1:29:58
    war their life because war isn’t for amateurs when an amateur crosses the line of departure they’re soon dead war is pro
    1:30:06
    for for professionals people who live breathe it hopefully we can keep them pinned up in a cage and just throw raw

  4. rosettasister Says:
    April 22, 2022 at 11:30 am

    1:30:06
    for for professionals people who live breathe it hopefully we can keep them pinned up in a cage and just throw raw
    1:30:12
    meat at them for 20 years while they prepare for war and never have to go to war but when you need us you cry havoc and
    1:30:19
    you let loose the dog’s war because there is a dirty job to be done i believe that in ukraine there’s a dirty
    1:30:25
    job to be done however um because i i have a bias
    1:30:32
    towards violence um i understand that there’s other perspectives that may in fact be right
    1:30:39
    that’s the beauty of democracy see you and i can sit here and have a civil discussion where we can debate we
    1:30:46
    can have a dialogue we can we can work out these problems so that maybe we could come to a common understanding
    1:30:52
    without any animosity we need this kind of dialogue here um and it’s a shame that
    1:30:58
    the media is not facilitating this why is this happening i’m glad it’s happening now but why is it happening here why isn’t this
    1:31:05
    something that’s happening in every town hall in america today where people can but you know if we had a town hall you
    1:31:11
    know what would happen putin lover you’re a shill from russia nazila and it would turn into a shouty
    1:31:17
    match of screaming match because america has become more jerry springer than jeff you know thomas jefferson
    1:31:24
    mm-hmm yeah you’re not you’re not anti-war i mean you sound to me very much like a marine still are you
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    still a marine once marine always marine you don’t you don’t go through that training preparation that experience without it
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    staying with you yeah i’m also a marine with bad knees and a little soft in the belly right now so i know what my
    1:31:42
    limitations are but your your sort of orientation toward the world and your attitude is very much
    1:31:48
    like a marine i would say absolutely and i recognize that and there’s some strengths to that but
    1:31:53
    there’s some weaknesses to that too it’s not it’s not an ideal situation um it is what it is
    1:31:59
    yeah last question scott and thank you so much for doing this this has just been amazing um
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    what do you want to happen with in the conflict in ukraine what do
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    you want to happen with nato with europe and russia generally what do you want to see happen in that part of
    1:32:16
    the world now i would like to see this war come to an end
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    as soon as possible and i would like to see that no additional conflict emerges
    1:32:30
    um that europe now is confronted with a reality that
    1:32:37
    compels it to undertake a restructuring of the european security framework
    1:32:43
    so that you can have russia not feeling threatened by an expanse of nato
    1:32:49
    i’d like to see the united states disengage from europe militarily um that
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    doesn’t mean that we disengage politically or economically um you know we have deep roots to europe i
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    mean melting pot in the united states is primarily european in nature so you know you can never have a divorce
    1:33:05
    but i would like to see the demilitarization of europe um uh and that includes russia i’d like to
    1:33:12
    see a de-emphasis on the military solution and a more emphasis on
    1:33:18
    how to peacefully co-exist with each other because you know and i’m not i don’t want to come off as alarmist here
    1:33:23
    but you know there is this thing called climate change that everybody’s talking about that represents an existential threat to
    1:33:29
    the world and one would think that in order to combat it that um you should have countries working
    1:33:35
    together on how to restructure economies so that they are less carbon
    1:33:40
    intensive and and more green um you know that happens best when you’re not
    1:33:46
    building militaries and going to war with each other so that’s that’s what i would like to see
    1:33:52
    um it would require the united states to accept the uncomfortable reality that we
    1:33:58
    are no longer the world’s singular superpower that the world does not revolve around us
    1:34:05
    i would like the united states to become a very influential member of the
    1:34:10
    international community one of the most influential members of the international community but recognizing that when you
    1:34:16
    sit at the table it’s a round table with nobody at the head there’s a co-equals around that table as well russia china
    1:34:24
    india brazil south africa other nations as they emerge and that these nations rights and
    1:34:31
    desires um are taken into account that it’s no longer about
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    you know making the world work for the united states it’s about finding a way to make the united states together with other
    1:34:42
    nations work on behalf of the world that’s what i would like to see i’d like to see a world where you don’t need a
    1:34:47
    marine corps anymore yeah right where people like sky ritter could instead apply
    1:34:53
    you know whatever aggressive tendencies i have to maybe fire fighting you know running into a burning building and
    1:34:58
    rescuing people or you know fighting wildfires or something like that you know where where you can still be a you
    1:35:03
    know a man but you don’t have to kill you know so you know that that being a little facetious there but my point is
    1:35:10
    that you know right now we have a europe on the cusp of a continuous warfare
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    and um i i tell you i’ll leave you with this thought there’s an election uh in
    1:35:21
    france on april 24th um and most people look at that election say oh my god it’s uh emmanuel macron
    1:35:29
    or it’s marie le pen and when they say le pen they’re thinking right-wing boom
    1:35:35
    i’ll tell you right now if macron is re-elected it will be a disaster for europe an
    1:35:42
    absolute disaster for europe because europe will continue to believe um in an expanse of nato
    1:35:47
    uh and bringing in nations like finland and sweden uh and um things of that nature if le pen wins
    1:35:55
    she will be the savior of europe and the savior of the world that’s not because i agree with her ideology i don’t but i
    1:36:02
    recognize that she will bring an end to this nato madness she will say no to
    1:36:08
    bringing in sweden and finland she will say no to continue expansion and she will say no to continuing to support
    1:36:16
    conflict against russia she will make it her priority to repair relations with russia and when that happens this
    1:36:22
    artificial european unity that joe biden is manufactured out of thin air will
    1:36:27
    collapse like the house of cards that it is and then we can get into the direction of the world that i’d like to
    1:36:32
    see so wow i’m pulling the marine le pen like you wouldn’t believe not because i think he has great ideas she doesn’t she has
    1:36:39
    the ones that count right now the ones that count are the ones that can bring an end to perpetual warfare in
    1:36:45
    europe fascinating i that surprised me a little bit although i because i shouldn’t have been too surprised because you’re right
    1:36:51
    le pen would absolutely throw a massive monkey wrench into nato’s plans right no doubt about it the nationals populist
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    greatest that’s the greatest threat facing europe today wow
    1:37:02
    wow sounds like you want to finish you want to end this war but you also want to finish world war ii
    1:37:09
    am i right about that in a way non-violently um
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    you know world war ii is supposed to end with um with harmony but instead it turned into
    1:37:21
    the cold war i’d like to finish this war and finish the cold war
    1:37:27
    okay uh i’d like to find a way for russia and europe to peacefully coexist and for
    1:37:32
    america to have a realistic role in
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    european affairs without having to be the dominant power in europe right but you want to you want to finish
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    nazism is what i was getting at absolutely right which is going to require some force
    1:37:50
    right hey you know no not some force it’s going to require a lot of let’s just be blunt
    1:37:55
    a lot of bad people are going to die [Music] you know and and some people get mad at
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    me i use this analogy but you know maybe i shouldn’t but i will anyways because i’m an honest guy
    1:38:06
    i love dogs i own three of them i go to the dog park and nothing brings more joy to my heart watching all those dogs run
    1:38:13
    around and i will bend over backwards for a dog you know as most dog lovers will
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    um but if you’ve got a rabid dog running through the streets i will gun him down i will hunt him down i will kill him
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    without mercy because he’s not a dog anymore he’s a diseased animal i love
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    humans i want to peacefully co-exist with humans but nazi ideology is a diseased ideology
    1:38:37
    and a human that has absorbed it is a diseased human and they should be treated like rabid dogs
    1:38:42
    okay okay well sir again thank you so much for this i learned so much from you it’s
    1:38:49
    really remarkable how much you know and how much you impart and even though sometimes i disagree with
    1:38:54
    pieces of your analysis i find it to be consistently brilliant and most importantly it’s something that everyone
    1:38:59
    needs to be listening to everyone needs to be listening to scott ritter these days and no one in the mainstream media is interested in that
    1:39:05
    so thank you for doing what you’re doing and thank you for coming on the show thanks for having me it’s been absolute
    1:39:10
    pleasure talking with you and um i appreciate the opportunity to exchange ideas even if uh we disagree on
    1:39:17
    something because that’s the beauty of democracy it’s not about all agreement it’s about a light disagreement
    1:39:23
    exactly exactly all right scott thank you so much have a great day thanks you too okay
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