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December 6, 2008 at 12:55 am
Gee am is lst
December 6, 2008 at 12:55 am
I mean am I lst
December 6, 2008 at 1:00 am
Leo on Laurie Roth show in a few minutes:
usaradio.com/listen_live_usa2.php
winamp works for me – media player did not
December 6, 2008 at 1:01 am
Reposted from previous thread: too funny to not hear – Lady states “One day this year we will be rich, we got Barack Obama” – LMTO
Don’t know if you all have ever heard this but it is hilarious – what mentality –
w . w . w.
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December 6, 2008 at 1:13 am
Jr….
too funny
December 6, 2008 at 1:14 am
Leo says he is pessimistic because with Dec 15th rapidly approaching, he had expected the case to have been announced today.
December 6, 2008 at 1:19 am
It could be good news, maybe they are really reviewing it
December 6, 2008 at 1:20 am
Dixie,
or maybe they consider it frivolous and are ignoring it
December 6, 2008 at 1:27 am
long time no see Dixie, WB
Maybe they are waiting until after the weekend to post it because it will cause less of a stink. More people are able to cause a stink during the weekend.
December 6, 2008 at 1:35 am
Nah… I’ll stick with dixie’s theory, I like that one better
December 6, 2008 at 1:42 am
lol…JJ
December 6, 2008 at 1:51 am
Ed Hale just admitted on live air that he told a persom that called his house that he was going to kill his wife and family and there would be nothing the caller could do about it….We can expect to see Ed arrested within 24 hrs.
December 6, 2008 at 2:03 am
ohhh geez, why would he say that?!? I think he really does mean well. I think he is just a country boy. Ofcourse I thought Korir meant well too…lol… I can be naive and I really do try to have faith in people, but have gotten burnt more then once!
December 6, 2008 at 2:04 am
Well, I choose to remain optimistic. It ain’t over ’til it’s over, fat lady sings, etc. I choose to think that the justices are taking the weekend.
There is a presser on Monday, sans Leo, btw (per his blog), and the Berg suit is alive and kicking with some kinda super- duper, secret evidence I happen to believe exists-albeit, I have no idea what it is and I know that sounds ridiculous. (and I don’t care)
However, I still believe that Obeyme is a fraud, a liar, a cheater, an (illegal) immigrant, (omg-Gov. Richardson even said so!), a thug, among other and much worse things.
This weekend I will decorate my house for Christmas, bake more cookies for the holidays (and some brave Marines in Iraq) as I look forward to Monday. For now, I choose to carry on and believe that America is not yet finished with this.
I will also continue to pray for God’s will.
May God Bless America, lead us and protect us.
December 6, 2008 at 2:07 am
Ed Hale just admitted on live air that he told a persom that called his house that he was going to kill his wife and family and there would be nothing the caller could do about it….We can expect to see Ed arrested within 24 hrs.
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The level of idiotness this guy exudes never ceases to amaze me. omg, Ed…….
December 6, 2008 at 2:08 am
Ksinde. Says:
December 6, 2008 at 2:03 am
ohhh geez, why would he say that?!? I think he really does mean well. I think he is just a country boy. Ofcourse I thought Korir meant well too…lol… I can be naive and I really do try to have faith in people, but have gotten burnt more then once!
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Ed has a problem with running off at the mouth and flat out lying.
December 6, 2008 at 2:10 am
J.B., very well said and the right attitude!
December 6, 2008 at 2:11 am
Troy, I agree he does have chacha of the mouth. As JAC says, take what he says with a truck load of salt.
December 6, 2008 at 2:12 am
look>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
where did my doggie go
December 6, 2008 at 2:12 am
I just want to say that I AM GLAD Alan Colmes will no longer be riding on the coattails of Sean Hannity.
Colmes is actually APPALLED by OJ’s sentencing! THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT’S WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY!
December 6, 2008 at 2:12 am
Leo sounds so down and defeated!
December 6, 2008 at 2:12 am
What happened to my avatar?
December 6, 2008 at 2:16 am
jjones35811 Says:
December 6, 2008 at 1:35 am
Nah… I’ll stick with dixie’s theory, I like that one better
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Thank you I like mine better also
December 6, 2008 at 2:17 am
JB,
I sure could use some cookies too ! how about some cookies for a former marine defnding the suburbs of northern alabama 🙂
December 6, 2008 at 2:17 am
DD r u f’ing kidding me ??????????????????????????????????????
I can not stand that man. I really do hate him, always have. He gets under my skin like no other. He lokes like a Star Trek character!
Sometimes i wonder if we are the weirdos and people like Colmes are the normal ones. There are more and more people that have the mind set as the Colmes type.
Our world is changing!
December 6, 2008 at 2:20 am
JB, how about a mother from the suburbs of Delaware defending her sanity from her 5 children? lol
I could go for some homemade cookies too.
December 6, 2008 at 2:24 am
Ksinde. Says:
December 6, 2008 at 2:17 am
DD r u f’ing kidding me ??????????????????????????????????????
I can not stand that man. I really do hate him, always have. He gets under my skin like no other. He lokes like a Star Trek character!
Sometimes i wonder if we are the weirdos and people like Colmes are the normal ones. There are more and more people that have the mind set as the Colmes type.
Our world is changing!
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Typical liberal view. “He only pulled a gun on someone. Does he really deserve that harsh of a sentence? Wasn’t the judge punishing him for the murder trial?”
PUKE!
December 6, 2008 at 2:24 am
I posted this on another topic before I realized everyone moved so I’ll post it here.
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PeppermintPatty777 Says:
December 5, 2008 at 5:47 am
I went over to check out MS and I find this drsharonsh’tz over their posting this garbage–I think she was talking about API, but all the same, ticked me off:
“There are a lot of people who drop in and out, and many who watch from a safe distance. But, there are those few who you can count on being there day and night, stoking the fires of stupidity.”
But, from what I can see she was on MS ALL day, and even said her husband went to sleep–she fed him a can of chilli… I had to comment.
I was disappointed to see Dixie posting there at MS. Hmmm
Is there no honor among bloggees?
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Dr. Sharon was making comments to the chat talk, which I rarely participate in.
For the record let me set something straight. I post on several blogs and forgot how I even got here in the first place but it was over those non existent tapes. I find 95% of you very nice on both blogs. The goal for both this blog and MS blog seems to be the same. What is bama hiding? I came to both blogs when the fighting had already begun about API. I found most of you believe korir here while MS found proof why not to believe him. I certainly like the rest of you wanted to believe a tape existed and an Iman document. I now believe something may have existed, but what I don’t know. A journalist will not just sit on information that important, especially one that has nothing to do with the USA. With one BS story after another and still nothing, well hmmm then it was a hoax which I have my own theories on as to why. Sammy k is his own worst enemy and nobody hacked his website. Just look at the new one. Three weeks now? and it’s still a mess.
Read story two on this link switched.com/tag/419 it might also explain how he made up getting 500K.
So PP I don’t know why anyone would have to be faithful to one certain blog when I respect everyone’s opinions on a subject. Like I said all of you (well most of you here and on MS) are very nice people and everyone just wants the truth about that one and all of us do not want him as our ruler, which he seems to already think he is.
The nitpicking from both these sites towards each other is IMO just not necessary and accusations defending Korir is riduculus, because if you can’t see he’s full of hot air by now then you never will.
December 6, 2008 at 2:41 am
I think we might just be surprised on Monday. And hey,,,if they reject Leo, we still have several others in the pipe!
Good work either way LEO!
December 6, 2008 at 2:45 am
Dixie, I have to agree with you in regards to the nitpicking on BOTH sides. I know I for one am guilty of some nasty behavior myself towards MS and gang. But the fact is, this blog is special to myself and the rest of the regulars here, like extended family. So if someone pounces on your family you pounce back as best as you know how.
You have always been respectful and have brought some great conversation here filled with some great info! I enjoy your posts.
99% (maybe even 100%) of us here like you think that Korir is a flipping fraud who preyed on us. We don’t defend him by any means. We have moved past that and i for one don’t even go over to API and the chat. Waste of my time!!!
I don’t want to speak for Pep but i don’t believe she was defending him.
December 6, 2008 at 2:46 am
dd, tru dat. I am still hopeful! But like you said there are others right behind Leo.
December 6, 2008 at 2:47 am
I want to know who hijacked our avatars???
December 6, 2008 at 2:47 am
Alan Colmes is an Archallian Swamp Lizzard from the planet Uranus
December 6, 2008 at 2:50 am
lol Troy…. First I was thinking he looks like a Star Trek character. But I changed my mind…he looks like the lion from the Wizard of Oz!!!!! lmao…he so looks like the lion… lmao
December 6, 2008 at 2:56 am
Ksinde. Says:
December 6, 2008 at 2:45 am
99% (maybe even 100%) of us here like you think that Korir is a flipping fraud
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Oh come now Ksinde, don’t pass judgment until you read the book. lol!!!
December 6, 2008 at 2:56 am
Hi everyone! Have you all been hijacked and that is why your avatars have changed? Don’t know if I can trust you or if you are “pod people” now! hehe
December 6, 2008 at 2:57 am
Funny, my avatar is the same! This is like an episode of the Twilight Zone! Do, do, do, do . . . do, do, do, do!
December 6, 2008 at 2:57 am
Well I re-uploaded my old avatar but, after 20 minutes, it’s still not showing…….uuuuuuuuugh
December 6, 2008 at 2:59 am
Korir is 100% a fraud! He and Obama should co-write a book together entitled, “How to Fraud Citizens and Influence People”!
December 6, 2008 at 3:00 am
dd… lmao… Ohh Thanks for reminding me, I have to get my lawn chair and sleeping bag out of the attic for when i camp out in line for the book…do you want me to save you a spot? I will but you have to bring me some hot chocolate though!
December 6, 2008 at 3:01 am
or “How to Break the Law and Make People Love you For It”
December 6, 2008 at 3:04 am
Foxy, or JAC could have drooled on the keyboard and blew a wordpress fuse?!? You need to go over to her house and wake her butt up so she can fix it!
December 6, 2008 at 3:07 am
My keyboard is just fine. JAC is the self-described drooler! LOL!
December 6, 2008 at 3:08 am
Ksinde. Says:
December 6, 2008 at 3:00 am
dd… lmao… Ohh Thanks for reminding me, I have to get my lawn chair and sleeping bag out of the attic for when i camp out in line for the book…do you want me to save you a spot? I will but you have to bring me some hot chocolate though!
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With marshmallows?
Go ahead and pick me one up. 🙂
December 6, 2008 at 3:09 am
I am feeling a bit more optimistic after going to Leo’s comment section. The other bloggers have a good point. If it was a flat out denial, they would have simply given that decision today. It would have been done. SEveral of the bloggers identify themselves as attorneys and they agree. It truly does make sense. I am going to remain optimistic until Monday. Some state the decision may not come until the middle of the week!
December 6, 2008 at 3:10 am
I wonder why my avatar is the same as it has always been and the rest of yours are not? I’m speeeeeeeeeeeeeeecial!
December 6, 2008 at 3:12 am
Yeah i am with you Foxy… I am just too impatient. Generation Microwave.
December 6, 2008 at 3:13 am
This was a good point by a blogger on another site.
John Nada Says:
December 5, 2008 at 8:57 pm
It is likely that the SCOTUS is fairly pragmatic and looks at its cases from many angles, not just the legal ones. In light of today’s release of the O.J. Simpson verdict (which was heavy in racial overtones as was the previous O.J. verdict) pervading the MSM news today, it is possible that the SCOTUS decided to defer releasing any information about Donofrio v. Wells (also heavy in racial overtones by virtue of a semi-black candidate) until next week at which point the O.J. story will be old news to the short-attention spanned consumers of MSM news.
December 6, 2008 at 3:13 am
Must you rub it in…Well my mother thinks I am special!
December 6, 2008 at 3:14 am
Foxtrot Says:
December 6, 2008 at 3:09 am
I am feeling a bit more optimistic after going to Leo’s comment section. The other bloggers have a good point. If it was a flat out denial, they would have simply given that decision today. It would have been done. SEveral of the bloggers identify themselves as attorneys and they agree. It truly does make sense. I am going to remain optimistic until Monday. Some state the decision may not come until the middle of the week!
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That amke sense except for the fact that there were multiple cases for review today and only two of them were reported as Cert granted. It leaves me to believe that ONLY THOSE ACCEPTED are disclosed that day. The rest are released (with or without comment) the following business day.
Just my thoughts. Although I’m not an attorney, I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. 🙂
December 6, 2008 at 3:15 am
Ksinde. Says:
December 6, 2008 at 3:13 am
Must you rub it in…Well my mother thinks I am special!
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Did she also tell you that those were “special shoes?”
December 6, 2008 at 3:16 am
Foxy…What a great point!!!! We can be looking into things too much, but I must say that is a great point…good find Fox, your so special!
December 6, 2008 at 3:18 am
ddlew — Yes, but don’t you think this case would warrant a long explanation, which would take time to write, if they wanted to grant the Writ? The Justices know there is too much at stake. They know that no matter what the decision that someone will be pissed! Also, I think there is some merit to the OJ argument as well.
December 6, 2008 at 3:18 am
Thanks Ksinde!
December 6, 2008 at 3:19 am
No but she told me that the white jacket that hooks in the back that i wore was special.
December 6, 2008 at 3:24 am
Speaking of Korir, I don’t know if this is a quawinky dink or what, but I have been getting a heck of a lot of spam. Lots about “enhancing bedroom skills” and cheap prescription refills. Anyone else?
December 6, 2008 at 3:25 am
No, but I haven’t been there in ages!
December 6, 2008 at 3:26 am
Well, I promised my hubby I would spend some quality time with him tonight. I will be back tomorrow.
I want to hear more about the march tomorrow Ksinde!
Night partners in crime!
December 6, 2008 at 3:28 am
I’m out of here with you too Fox.
Night partner.
December 6, 2008 at 3:34 am
Can someone tell me where to find my User CP. I would like to change my avatar but cannot find the User CP. Heeeelllppp!
December 6, 2008 at 3:35 am
Okay, my avatar is the same…but don’t start calling me special pleeeeease.
December 6, 2008 at 3:36 am
I’m back…nothing really to say yet just want to see if my cuuuuuute kitty is still here…
December 6, 2008 at 3:36 am
Darn it – the stupid hijacked penguin is back…
December 6, 2008 at 4:03 am
Is anybody home?
December 6, 2008 at 4:08 am
noooooo nobody here….just us penguins
December 6, 2008 at 4:11 am
Marci,
Do I have to have special software to change my avatar?
December 6, 2008 at 4:14 am
blah
December 6, 2008 at 4:15 am
This was posted at another site.
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I found this comment at the Wall Street Journal Law Blog.
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From an article on deathfroma1000papercuts.com
An interesting article appeared yesterday at Unqualified Reservations, “Did Barack Obama Go to Columbia?“.
Interesting because it speculates that the reason the Obama campaign has not released his Columbia records is–that Barack Obama didn’t really attend Columbia.
Far-fetched?
Perhaps, but not as far-fetched as a candidate getting this far in the political process without the press issuing its normal calls to see his records.
My question is: was Barack Obama ever a student at Columbia? Because here’s how one scurrilous compendium of racist smears puts it:
Obama graduated from Columbia College in 1983, and after spending a year in New York, moved to Chicago.
Wayne Allyn Root says, “I don’t know a single person at Columbia that knows him, and they all know me. I don’t have a classmate who ever knew Barack Obama at Columbia. Ever! … Nobody recalls him. I’m not exaggerating, I’m not kidding.
Questioner: Were you the exact same class?
Root: Class of ‘83 political science, pre-law Columbia University. You don’t get more exact than that. Never met him in my life, don’t know anyone who ever met him. At the class reunion, our 20th reunion five years ago, 20th reunion, who was asked to be the speaker of the class? Me. No one ever heard of Barack! Who was he, and five years ago, nobody even knew who he was… the guy who writes the class notes, who’s kind of the, as we say in New York, the macha who knows everybody, has yet to find a person, a human who ever met him. Is that not strange? It’s very strange…
When asked about his undergraduate training at Columbia University, The New Times states that Obama “declined repeated requests to talk about his New York years, release his Columbia transcript or identify even a single fellow student, co-worker, roommate or friend from those years.”
Many of his classmates don’t remember Obama. He’s not in the yearbook. Columbia couldn’t find a picture of him at school.
What can be said with some certainty is that Mr. Obama lived off campus while at Columbia in 1981-83 and made few friends. Fox News contacted some 400 of his classmates and found no one who remembered him.
As the author, Mencius Moldbug, observes: “What is the chance that a budding young politician of undeniable talent and promise spends his junior and senior years at Columbia, and no one remembers him? What is the chance that my right ass cheek, through spontaneous quantum vibration, suddenly transmutes into a hemisphere of polished gold? Don’t you feel these probabilities are at least roughly comparable?”
The normal minions of the Obama campaign descended upon the blog, filling the comments section with their usual spammery. But, this article highlights one inescapable fact.
If Obama released his Columbia records, such speculation–well-reasoned as it is–simply would not be written. Moldbug could be writing about Obama’s re-distributionist policies.
Moldbug asks a few questions that would have been answered already–if Barack Obama had released his Columbia records.
Barack or Barry – note that he is still Barry while at Occidental; at the next place we know he existed, Harvard Law, he has become Barack – spends two years at Columbia. He presumably receives two years worth of college credits. By taking two years worth of college courses.
Furthermore, in every other period of his life, he is known as the gregarious and charismatic young man he obviously was. Nor can his looks be described as ordinary. Nor is even his name ordinary. This man is a future president. And no one remembers him? No one?
There’s much more in this article, with plenty of linked sources. There’s also a followup post:
Another interpretation of Obama at Columbia.
The Columbia records are part of a pattern:
no medical records released to the press;
no Occidental records released to the press;
no Harvard University records released to the press;
no Columbia records released to the press;
the fight to gain access to the Chicago Annenberg Challenge records;
no original birth certificate released to the press.
There’s also another pattern: the press is perfectly satisfied to be kept in the dark. In 2004, CBS News had such a burning desire to see George Bush’s service records, they foisted forged documents onto their viewers.
Perhaps that explains why CBS News has exhibited no curiosity to see the unreleased Obama records?
Did Obama really attend Columbia?
We don’t know. We have to take Obama’s word for it.
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Very strange when You add the fact that he was in Pakistan in 1981.
Name Change. Two missing Years?
Wow!
December 6, 2008 at 4:22 am
Tenacity, you go to the upper left corner to the wordpress dashboard and pick Edit Your Account. From there you can upload a pic from your computer. It takes a while for it to “take” I guess they are using a new “gravitar” program so your avatar can be universal.
December 6, 2008 at 4:24 am
WT fuzzy F, fuzzy being obamas past
December 6, 2008 at 4:25 am
avatar testage
December 6, 2008 at 4:26 am
thanks thin!
December 6, 2008 at 4:30 am
Damn Troy,
at least when i left my school for another one people at least thought i was dead, they dont even remember this dude, fishy indeed!!!! I wonder if he can name a columbia U professor, can we get a press core memeber to ask that, “who’s your fav. professor at columbia U”
December 6, 2008 at 4:37 am
Ok – no one is sure where he was born, some people aren’t sure who his father was, we don’t know if he actually attended the college he claims to have attended, he won’t release medical records, etc….
Are we SURE Obama isn’t just a figment of our collective nightmare???!
Everyone, on “Three” — Pinch yourself! One, two, threeeee…
Ouch.
December 6, 2008 at 4:38 am
OK – is Obama still President Elect?? (I know ALMOST, troy)?
December 6, 2008 at 4:42 am
i know i’m awake, i rolled outta bed (for the first time in 25 yrs) the other night and obama was still there, on tv, looking raggedy as hell i might add, somehow, i think i want this guy to be pres, i think he’s gonna fall flat on his face (sick, i know, wanting O to be pres)
December 6, 2008 at 4:44 am
Damn
December 6, 2008 at 4:55 am
I am thinking he is either the most devious scoundrel ever to hold the office or he is simply in WAY OVER HIS HEAD. Either is scary. If he is already showing wear – he is gonna be totally ragged out by the end of his first year.
December 6, 2008 at 5:01 am
i was thinking the same thing, this shouldnt be the “damn he looks worn out” part, this should be the, the campaign is over, i’m getn some rest part. It was funny to actually hear Geraldo diss him the other morning about the absence of him on the ballout. I know GERALDO himself, he was like, wear is he?
December 6, 2008 at 5:08 am
Where in the hell is my avatar?
December 6, 2008 at 5:11 am
i cant find mine either, wordpress switched it up and i cant get my pic to stick
December 6, 2008 at 5:52 am
thinkingmom11 Says:
December 6, 2008 at 4:55 am
I am thinking he is either the most devious scoundrel ever to hold the office or he is simply in WAY OVER HIS HEAD. Either is scary. If he is already showing wear – he is gonna be totally ragged out by the end of his first year
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Not only will he have the pressures of the job that he can’t handle….After a hard day at the office, or as Sinclair would say, “Orifice”, then he has to go home and face Hagula.
December 6, 2008 at 5:55 am
dude, seriously, stop making fun of Michelle, it aint her fault she can barely get her lips to cover her teeth….lol
December 6, 2008 at 5:57 am
Man – talk about adding insult to injury!
December 6, 2008 at 5:59 am
You guys are brutal – I was just THINKING those things – y’all said it OUT LOUD! But seriously, those teeth! I think she actually has to THINK about getting her lips together…
December 6, 2008 at 6:03 am
break.com/index/what_really_happens_pallywood.html
December 6, 2008 at 6:05 am
she has developed extra lip muscles to be able to clasp around those teeth
Hey mom, have you seen those teeth, i think we just located the ten commandment tablets,
ah btw that video is of staged palistinian injuries that the news took as fact
December 6, 2008 at 6:10 am
wiping off the drool
hey everyone
December 6, 2008 at 6:10 am
what up JAC
December 6, 2008 at 6:11 am
J.B., very well said and the right attitude!
JB,
I sure could use some cookies too ! how about some cookies for a former marine defnding the suburbs of northern alabama
JB, how about a mother from the suburbs of Delaware defending her sanity from her 5 children? lol
I could go for some homemade cookies too.
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Thanks, ksinde.
Sure, jjones, what’s your addy?
I just stopped back in after watching Midnight Run. Ever seen it? DeNiro and Charles Grodan. Good flick.
Nice break. I needed it.
This has been exhausting, hasn’t it?
I am glad you folks are here-great minds and all. 🙂
Please do something nice for yourself this weekend and/or someone else.
Toys for tots is always a great idea. Make a kid feel good and you , too.
G’night.
December 6, 2008 at 6:14 am
tonight was the auction at the radio club…… hubby bought many boxes of cool things he will never use for 3 bucks a box…… lol……
December 6, 2008 at 6:16 am
Where’s my f’ing post? dammit……..
December 6, 2008 at 6:16 am
see you guys have been making fun of MO
I know you can’t fix stupid……… but there are doctors for ugly 😉
December 6, 2008 at 6:18 am
tell that to kanye wests mom….of course you’ll have to channel her through a medium…lol im ignorant, i know
December 6, 2008 at 6:18 am
Interesting read
Obama too Important to Respond to US Supreme Court PDF Print E-mail
Wednesday, 03 December 2008 10:37
Sher Zieve
President-elect Barack Obama’s refusal to produce an original and viable birth certificate indicating that he truly Sher Zieveand indisputably is a natural born US citizen—as is required by the US Constitution—is continuing to take unusual tacks and turns. In fact, as it is appearing more and more that Barack Obama is not qualified for the US presidency, his and his minions’ machinations may just take the country off course entirely. Now, not only is Mr. Obama refusing to provide proof that he is even eligible to be the President of the United States but, he has decided to thumb his nose at members of our highest court in the land.
With regards to Donofrio v Wells—one of a growing number of lawsuits filed nationwide that question the eligibility of Barack Obama to be POTUS—the full US Supreme Court has agreed to conference on the suit 5 December 2008. Obama and the DNC (also named in the suit) were advised by the high court to respond to Donofrio v Wells by 1 December. To date, neither Mr. Obama nor the DNC have responded. With this lack of response, the president-elect has now flatly stated that he is above—if not beyond and outside of—the law and reports and is responsible only to himself. This is what—not who—was elected to the presidency of the United States.
More here:
http //www borderfirereport.net/sher-zieve/obama-too-important-to-respond-to-us-supreme-court.html
December 6, 2008 at 6:20 am
I wish the March did better
but most knew about it through the Plains radio show…… they were strong about it then wishy washy…… can’t have a good turn out when you do that
December 6, 2008 at 6:22 am
i thought he was suppose to respond to bergs case by the 1st, i dont think that leo’s was to be responded to cus it involves the sos
December 6, 2008 at 6:22 am
washingtontimes.com/news/2008/dec/06/obama-challenge-awaits-a-decision/
PSSSSSSSST! Lookit what I found! Hurry up!
December 6, 2008 at 6:24 am
sliderblaze Says:
December 6, 2008 at 6:22 am
i thought he was suppose to respond to bergs case by the 1st, i dont think that leo’s was to be responded to cus it involves the sos
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Yeah, it seems as if the writer combined the Berg and Donofrio stories together. It amazes me that people can’t seem to wrap their minds around the simplicity of the case.
December 6, 2008 at 6:25 am
and all it would take is a five minute read…amazing
December 6, 2008 at 6:26 am
I’m afraid Sher Zieve has joined the myriad of folks that are confused and failed to do their homework. His inferences are about Berg’s case, not Donofrio’s. Too bad, I like his approach.
December 6, 2008 at 6:28 am
Great minds seem to think alike.
December 6, 2008 at 6:29 am
most of this is about what trumps what……….the constitution as absolutely written or laws that contradicts the same …..
I myself think think it should be as written by the framers
December 6, 2008 at 6:29 am
“Legal scholars doubt the court will hear the case. The Supreme Court rarely grants the kind of court orders — or stays — sought by Mr. Donofrio. And doing so in this case would set up an unprecedented challenge to the presidency of a man who already has won the election and almost certainly will have taken office by the time any hearings or decisions could occur. ”
well duh, how often has this really happened….lol,
December 6, 2008 at 6:32 am
I have my fingers crossed, that a lot of discussion went on today and the week-end they are referencing law to make a decision
December 6, 2008 at 6:32 am
i thought he was suppose to respond to bergs case by the 1st, i dont think that leo’s was to be responded to cus it involves the sos
He was, but the court gave him extra time to “mail in his response”. Not kidding. As long as it is postmarked by the 1st oe Dec…..
Yeah, like he ever will. Who has time for all these pesky lawsuits? He has people to lie to, manipulate, appoint, mark……….the list goes on and on.
December 6, 2008 at 6:33 am
anything on radio?
December 6, 2008 at 6:37 am
i hope they asked themselves the question what happens if Obama isnt a natural born citizen? it not like it a fuzzy constitutional interpritation, seems to me to be pretty cut and dry. However, if it seems to them to be a fuzzy interpretation, they should at least hear the case in public to determine what the interpretation should be.
December 6, 2008 at 6:41 am
I hear about the 21st president ,Chester A. Arthur brought up often
guess he wasn’t a NBC either…. even lied about his age
December 6, 2008 at 6:42 am
I hear about the 21st president ,Chester A. Arthur brought up often
guess he wasn’t a NBC either…. even lied about his age
December 6, 2008 at 6:42 am
Thomas, Roberts, Scalia, & Alito. I know they have the brains to get the original intent of the framers and the belief to uphold that intent. The question is do they have the B A L L S?
December 6, 2008 at 6:48 am
It will be interesting if it goes to full hearing. What kind of crap could they possibly come up with to write the descent? Leo said that if they refuse to take the case, he expects to be dazzled by the courts reasoning.
December 6, 2008 at 6:54 am
Confirmed cus it has nothing to do with the bc issue at all
December 6, 2008 at 6:55 am
after articles like these I need a bam bam club
salon.com/news/feature/2008/12/05/birth_certificate/
December 6, 2008 at 7:03 am
took this from a post……… and they want to call US loonies??
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Ditto, Ditto! Thank you! I agee 500%. Inspite of all the legal rhetoric, misinterpretations of the Constitution and its Amendments, the bottom line is when God ordains something, no man can change the outcome! Praise the Lord because God has brought Obama this far and no Devil will change that.
December 6, 2008 at 7:05 am
i know, they are amazing. I wonder if she/he felt that way in 2000 and 2008?
December 6, 2008 at 7:06 am
break.com/zohan-dvd/jackass-escalator-slide.html
it’s a metaphor of obamas presidency!!!!
December 6, 2008 at 7:08 am
good article
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Seven Reasons Why Barack Obama Should make the Birth Certificate Controversy go Away
by Rev. Michael Bresciani
December 05, 2008
The question of whether Barack Obama was actually born in Kenya thus disqualifying him to run as a presidential candidate will not go away. It is like the little mushrooms that appear every morning under the tree, they keep coming back. What should the President Elect do?
It is not fair to label those who want answers as racists, disillusioned right wingers, conspiracy nuts or any other convenient appellation thereby asking them to simply shut up. Lawsuits filed to require that an official vault document be produced have come from African Americans, democrats and a host of constitutionally concerned citizens.
In fact one You Tube offering about the matter garnered 750,000 views alone and the total viewing of videos and articles on the subject is somewhere near three million to date.
The problems with the birth certificate offered on the extreme left website the Daily Kos and a few other internet sites are too many to ignore. The short list is first that the document is not signed. Secondly it has no seal. Third is that the security border doesn´t match similar documents from the same time period. Other objections are that the race of Obama´s father is listed as African. In the early sixties the State of Hawaii listed African Americans as Negroes.
What is missing from the document is the doctor´s signature and physical characteristics at birth that every original birth certificate reveals.
Some interested party´s have submitted the internet document to the scrutiny of Adobe and graphic experts who all agree the document is highly questionable or a complete fraud. Is it? Who knows at this point? What is far more intriguing is the resistance being thrown at uncovering the true vault document. This is what is spawning suspicion and doubt.
Attorney Philip Berg has filed a writ of certiorari that should force the President Elect, the DNC and Co-Defendants to produce the document in accordance with law. Ambassador Alan Keyes has pending suits and a total of seventeen others are submitting their quests to various levels of state courts.
Here are the important reasons President Elect Obama should cooperate and put the whole matter to bed as quickly as possible.
1. Because he can. With a simple request to the Hawaii Bureau of Vital Statistics he can quash all doubt and get on with his administration.
2. He will remove the suspicions of millions of Americans, republicans, democrats and independents alike.
3. If ignored it could cause a constitutional crises unlike anything ever seen in this country. It would make questions of chads and incomplete voting cards look like a kindergarten problem by contrast.
4. It will indicate that Obama means business when he takes the oath of office and declares that he will uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States.
5. It will give confidence to many of his opponents who may not agree with all his policies, but want to know that he is a completely honest man with the country´s best interest in mind.
6. It would put to rest the assertion that he is an elitist. All Americans must submit proper documentation of birth to get Social Security cards, driver´s license, security clearance and passports. He should be willing to carry out the first and the least of all his campaign promises contained in the slogan ´Yes, we can.´ In America we can and according to law ´we must.´
7. We will all sleep better at night!
It is a surprisingly simple matter to make it all go away but it is presently entrenched in court battles and suspicion. In a full page ad in The Washington Times Nov. 17, 2008 three questions are asked. Was Barack Obama born in Kenya? Is he really a citizen of Indonesia? Does the constitution still matter?
Good questions, we´re listening.
As a footnote even Jesus Christ was questioned about who he was and where he came from. “We know that God spake unto Moses: as for this fellow, we know not from whence he is.” (Jn 9:29) His own sisters and brothers warned him about doing things openly. “For there is no man that doeth any thing in secret, and he himself seeketh to be known openly. If thou do these things, show thyself to the world. (Jn7:4)
December 6, 2008 at 7:10 am
One thing that I have found interesting: Satan has used the argument (distraction) for centuries that changes in culture/society necessarily changes the intent of Scripture. Now we see/hear the argument that the Constitution is a living document and its interpretation is subject to change with changes in society/culture. These are the relativistic arguments of elitists, humanist & naturalists. Truth is unchanging, as is God. The framers intent is even more valid and true today than it was when written.
December 6, 2008 at 7:14 am
BIG bam bam club
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But we do know this: If this scenario plays out then the country will be significantly damaged. This is perhaps the worst possible time to compound the current vacuum of leadership by putting Obama’s status in question. The State of Hawaii has said he was born in that state and they have the documentation to prove it, case closed. One can only conclude that the true objective of these bloggers is to harm the United States by creating an issue where none really exists.
Not that this is anything new to them after supporting torture and other unimaginable Bush Administration policies. It’s simply another example of just how dangerous the Angry Right can be. Don’t get me wrong — the Angry Left can be a problem, too. But in terms of impact on the health of the country there is no comparison. The Angry Right has been destructive. They just don’t care about America — they only want power and the ability to dictate how the rest of us should behave. They don’t even care about the Republican Party — witness its fall primarily due to the schisms caused by the uncompromising extreme right wing.
December 6, 2008 at 7:15 am
whole article to above
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rosevillept.com/detail/100385.html
December 6, 2008 at 7:16 am
lol, these people wont know what hit them, we’ll just let them ride that crazy train for as long as possible
December 6, 2008 at 7:17 am
heard something about an organization trying to get the money together for a TV spot………. anyone know anything about this??
December 6, 2008 at 7:18 am
slider
that last one was an full article not a post!…… geez what a nut
December 6, 2008 at 7:19 am
It is consistent that the yapping dogs accuse others of what they are guilty of. I wish HI would have been clearer in their comments so that these morons would not be able to twist the Governor’s words. HI has never said that he was born there.
December 6, 2008 at 7:20 am
I have my fingers crossed…….. hope those judges surf the web in their spare time…. read articles other than msm
December 6, 2008 at 7:22 am
Tenacity
guess she supposed to of amended her original statement, they claim
don’t know I never read that
December 6, 2008 at 7:24 am
What I do not understand is why, with the evidence in hand, the Pentagon doesn’t obtain a court order for the release of documents based upon suspicion of fraud and espionage.
December 6, 2008 at 7:26 am
The Governor’s comments were careful and clear. I am not aware of any change in her statements.
December 6, 2008 at 7:28 am
My pillow is calling me…g’night
December 6, 2008 at 7:30 am
tenacity
that is what I read,……. I’m not aware of any either
but this has brought out many media lier’s
December 6, 2008 at 7:30 am
night Tenacity
December 6, 2008 at 7:41 am
VERY GOOD ARTICLE
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wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=82822
December 6, 2008 at 8:55 am
Found my own info about the TV ad
Guess $12,000 buys a national 60-second ad on Fox News between 5 and 6 p.m
youtube.com/watch?v=YYdk26ezVio&eurl=http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=82523&feature=player_embedded
December 6, 2008 at 10:23 am
Good Morning America:
Dixie: Sorry, I should have left you out of it. But negative comments just didn’t seem to be your style. I was NOT defending Korir. Iwas only citing that the comments were not about us, but were about the people who are posting at API. If you read some of my other posts from yesterday you would see that I was not defending Korir. I don’t play games. What you see from me here is what you will see from me on other posts. I don’t play the “I love Rosettasister’s Gang act” here and go and diss the Gang or Rose at other sites. And, while comments have been made, most often without any vile attitudes toward MS, generally speaking, unless someone (like Jen) comes over here from MS and starts trouble with people here, then you won’t hear anything here negative against others–cept for bots and BO– and in fun and good humor (well, except from Indy) about Al–whom mst of us adoringly tolerate-hmrhhhb :0).
Jen came over and started discord. Rose sent her packing. I had not been to MS site except for weeks ago when the API site went down and all that was with that–just because someone posted her link and invited us over.
When I went over on Wednesday to check it out–after Jen’s comments, I was disappointed to see all of the negative name calling, and the “skits” about all the people who had been at api that were posted on MS.
When I was posting on API, I was there for the people. Korir means nothing to me. And, have only been there once or twice in the past week, to just see who was still there. Korir seems to not allow my posts, and that’s fine with me. My posts were inocuous, just saying hi to folks like yourself when I saw you there, but Korir “moderates” me out.
I’m here because I like the people here. I won’t be at MS because I don’t like all of the negativity in the postng that I found there. What goes around, Dixie, comes around. You will NEVER find me at MS making negative comments about the people on Rose’s site, or about the people on Korir’s site. I don’t play those games. You, cloud, Mom in Texas, ThinkingMom, and others were always enjoyable when I was commenting over at API. Sometimes things were downright hilarious–especially when the “night monitor” took over.
I’ll give anyone the benefit of the doubt. I see no reason to “trash” Korir. People should be well aware what is going on there now. If they aren’t then they soon will be. To me, discussing him just gives him more airtime.
Ksinde: You can speak for me anyday! You all know what my postings are like. I’m always consistent and if you find me posting anywhere else, you will find me consistent there also. I don’t change monikers (except when I first changed at Korir’s because my moniker was too telling of my identity). I don’t change values. I don’t change anything but my hats (well and my undies)! This morning, I’m wearing one (hat that is) more shaped like a crash helmet than a party hat–but it still has shiny dingles all over!
Cheers and good will too all
December 6, 2008 at 10:33 am
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December 6, 2008 at 11:33 am
Tenacity Says:
December 6, 2008 at 7:10 am
One thing that I have found interesting: Satan has used the argument (distraction) for centuries that changes in culture/society necessarily changes the intent of Scripture. Now we see/hear the argument that the Constitution is a living document and its interpretation is subject to change with changes in society/culture.
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Ten, I’m so glad you made that point. I meant to make it yesterday. It seems that Obama thinks that every President (which would mean HIM of course) should change the constitution to fit the whims of the times…or the people.
Seems to go hand in hand with situational ethics– it’s ok to cheat on your spouse given the situation, it’s ok to lie given the situation, it’s ok to steal given the situation, it’s ok to murder given the situation, it’s ok to do whatever you want to do, given the situation. There is no absolute truth, no absolute revelation. Everything is just based on the situation. If this is true, then OJ shouldn’t have gotten any prison time for his crime–given the situation. There will always be a “situation” that will beg to differ with the absolutes. There will always be “situations” that will make the constitution seem to need to be tweaked. The truth is, there are absolutes. For OJ, there was an absolute– regardless of the situation (his “friend” called him, said that these personal stolen properties were at this place, he wanted to retrieve them, didn’t plan on kidnapping anyone (holding someone against their will is kidnapping them–gosh, that must mean my kids kidnapped me a long time ago! Just kidding). The whole “situation” got out of hand–someone brought a gun and then the police showed up. Truth is, OJ was set-up. It was all on tape, from every angle in the room, and bam, OJ’s in jail. The absolute here is that irregardless of whether OJ intended for it to all happen as it did, he put into motion events which led to the very situations that occurred. The truth is there are absolutes which are supposed to be observed in our laws–and as my good friend, Al, pointed out yesterday, “You do the crime, you do the time.” The absolute is that OJ broke the law. He brought a gun into a casino, he held men against their will, and he took property that did not belong to him. Regardless of the situations, the absolute truth is that he broke these laws. These are laws with great consequence and OJ will spend the rest of his life in prison.
Our Constitution is a constitution of absolutes, just as is our Declaration of Independance. It is the foundation upon which this great country rests. It is what causes us to be American, and this to be American soil. If it is “up for tweaking” then the Constitution will be of no more value than the paper it is writtn on. It will become the United States of the Democratic Party, or the US of the Republican party. What ever political party is ruling at the time will be what the Constitution reflects, rather than the governement reflecting the Constitution.
Our Declaration of Independence states:
“Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes;”
Yet, Obama believes that our Constitution, that document which outlines these absolutes, the absolutes which causes us to be The United States of America and not something else, should be tweaked and changed to fit the needs of the times–not merely ammended, but changed. But, of course, if you don’t believe in “Truths”, then you certainly aren’t going to believe in and respect a Constitution of Country which was founded on the premise of a document that begins with “These Truths we Hold to be self-evident”.
I wonder, would I have been so brave as to be John Hancock and be the FIRST to sign a document that ended with:
“And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.”
If we have the right to bear arms, then it is a right. A right is an entitlement and cannot be changed just because someone of “the time” thinks it should no longer be a right. With rights come responsibilities. Yet, we do not want to demand and educate the people of this country to perform their responsibilities. Instead, we want to give them carte’ blanche to do whatever evil they choose. Why? Because to do something different means we have to acknowledge that there must be a moral compass, that there must be some laws that are based on TRUTHS. To acknowledge that requires us to acknowledge that there is someone or something that has established those “Truths”. To acknowledge that means we must admit to a Higher Power. We must also admit that just because we want to sympatize with those who rebel against these Truths, rather than to honor the one who established the Truths, doesn’t give us the power to change the Truths.
December 6, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Hello–anybody here?
Rosie, Thank you for that handsome picture of Ender! It’s hard to read all the comments—I did–but it was difficult—Just wanted to gaze at that handsome face of ET…:)
December 6, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Just wanted to let everyone know about the Electoral College process in NC – not good – but there is a bill trying to change the process, however, it is too late for this year – Anyway here is what I discovered. “North Carolina’s 15 electors are picked by the winning party. They are usually party loyalists. They are supposed to cast their vote to reflect the state’s winner. There is, however, no federal law enforcing that.
In North Carolina, an unfaithful elector is replaced and fined $500 and his or her vote is canceled.” I wonder how many will become unfaithful??????? ZERO
December 6, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Leo said he was bumped off C2C Clear Channel radio………………I sent him this link
youtube.com/watch?v=wS5srhGE_Yo
🙂
December 6, 2008 at 2:38 pm
North Carolina’s 15 electors are picked by the winning party. They are usually party loyalists. They are supposed to cast their vote to reflect the state’s winner. There is, however, no federal law enforcing that.
In North Carolina, an unfaithful elector is replaced and fined $500 and his or her vote is canceled.” I wonder how many will become unfaithful??????? ZERO
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Incorrect statement. Electors are not replaced and where did you get they are fined? No one knows how they vote to start with, and they can actually vote for the losing VP as the electors on President and Vice President vote on each one and not just the ticket. In other words they could vote for Sarah Palin if they wanted to. Now wouldn’t that be a hoot. Not likely to happen but that is how the electoral college works. Just because they pledge to vote one way they do not have to. 4 times this has happened.
December 6, 2008 at 2:43 pm
Morning……..
December 6, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Dixie,
I believe each state has it’s own rules as to how the electors are to vote…
no source here, just from memory
December 6, 2008 at 2:48 pm
Dixie
I never checked it out myself, but yes I also heard in a handful of states it is in their state Constitution to fine electoral voters for changing their vote…..and punishable up to $1000 in fines
December 6, 2008 at 2:51 pm
More…………..
Technically, the electors do not have to vote for anyone. The Constitution does not require them to do so. And throughout the history of presidential elections, some have indeed voted for someone else. But tradition holds that the electors vote for the candidate chosen by their state, and so the vast majority of electors do just that.
Each state has a number of electoral votes equal to its number of Senators (two) plus its number of members in the United States House of Representatives.
One additional feature of the process that worries people every time a viable third-party candidate runs for President is that when no candidate wins a majority of electoral votes, the election is decided by the House of Representatives. In such a case, the House delegations from each state would have one vote each. The candidate with the support of the most House delegations would be declared the winner. Thomas Jefferson was elected not by popular vote or by winning a majority of electoral votes–he was selected by the House of Representatives.
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Another reason this BC issue needs to get to the eyes and ears of the electoral college. If they have enough doubt they can change their vote.
December 6, 2008 at 3:02 pm
Dixie
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Legal Requirements or Pledges
Electors in these States are bound by State Law or by pledges to cast their vote for a specific candidate:
ALABAMA – 9 Electoral Votes Party Pledge / State Law – § 17-19-2 ALASKA – 3 Electoral Votes Party Pledge / State Law – § 15.30.040; 15.30.070 CALIFORNIA – 55 Electoral Votes State Law – § 6906 COLORADO – 9 Electoral Votes State Law – § 1-4-304 CONNECTICUT – 7 Electoral Votes State Law § 9-175 DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA – 3 Electoral Votes DC Pledge / DC Law – § 1-1312(g) FLORIDA – 27 Electoral Votes Party Pledge / State Law – § 103.021(1) HAWAII – 4 Electoral Votes State Law – §§ 14-26 to 14-28 MAINE – 4 Electoral Votes State Law – § 805 MARYLAND – 10 Electoral Votes State Law – § 20-4 MASSACHUSETTS – 12 Electoral Votes Party Pledge / State Law – Ch. 53, § 8, Supp. MICHIGAN – 17 Electoral Votes State Law – §168.47 (Violation cancels vote and elector is replaced). MISSISSIPPI – 6 Electoral Votes Party Pledge / State Law – §23-15-785(3) MONTANA – 3 Electoral Votes State Law – §13-25-104 NEBRASKA – 5 Electoral Votes State Law – § 32-714 NEVADA – 5 Electoral Votes State Law – § 298.050 NEW MEXICO – 5 Electoral Votes State Law – § 1-15-5 to 1-15-9 (Violation is a fourth degree felony.) NORTH CAROLINA – 15 Electoral Votes State Law – § 163-212 (Violation cancels vote; elector is replaced and is subject to $500 fine.) OHIO – 20 Electoral Votes State Law – § 3505.40 OKLAHOMA – 7 Electoral Votes State Pledge / State Law – 26, §§ 10-102; 10-109 (Violation of oath is a misdemeanor, carrying a fine of up to $1000.) OREGON – 7 Electoral Votes State Pledge / State Law – § 248.355 SOUTH CAROLINA – 8 Electoral Votes State Pledge / State Law – § 7-19-80 (Replacement and criminal sanctions for violation.) VERMONT – 3 Electoral Votes State Law – title 17, § 2732 * VIRGINIA – 13 Electoral Votes State Law – § 24.1-162 (Virginia statute may be advisory – “Shall be expected” to vote for nominees.) WASHINGTON – 11 Electoral Votes Party Pledge / State Law – §§ 29.71.020, 29.71.040, Supp. ($1000 fine.) WISCONSIN – 10 Electoral Votes State Law – § 7.75 WYOMING – 3 Electoral Votes State Law – §§ 22-19-106; 22-19-108
December 6, 2008 at 3:04 pm
In North Carolina, South Carolina, and Michigan, faithless electors are replaced before their vote can be sent to Congress.
December 6, 2008 at 3:05 pm
justanamericancindy4 Says:
December 6, 2008 at 2:48 pm
Dixie
I never checked it out myself, but yes I also heard in a handful of states it is in their state Constitution to fine electoral voters for changing their vote…..and punishable up to $1000 in fines
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Very interesting discussion on this and makes one do some research. My bad you are correct.
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It turns out there is no federal law that requires an elector to vote according to their pledge (to their respective party). And so, more than a few electors have cast their votes without following the popular vote or their party. These electors are called “faithless electors.”
In response to these faithless electors’ actions, several states have created laws to enforce an elector’s pledge to his or her party vote or the popular vote. Some states even go the extra step to assess a misdemeanor charge and a fine to such actions. For example, the state of North Carolina charges a fine of $10,000 to faithless electors.
It’s important to note, that although these states have created these laws, a large number of scholars believe that such state-level laws hold no true bearing and would not survive constitutional challenge.
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There is no federal law requiring electors to vote as they have pledged, and over the years a number of electors have voted against the instructions of the voters. 29 states and the District of Columbia have laws binding electors to the popular vote winners, but most constitutional scholars believe that electors remain free agents and that such laws would not survive constitutional challenge. The states with laws seeking to bind electors to the popular vote winners are:
labama (Code of Ala. §17-19-2)
Alaska (Alaska Stat. §15.30.090)
California (Election Code §6906)
Colorado (CRS §1-4-304)
Connecticut (Conn. Gen. Stat. §9-176)
Delaware (15 Del C §4303)
District of Columbia (§1-1312(g))
Florida (Fla. Stat. §103.021(1))
Hawaii (HRS §14-28)
Maine (21-A MRS §805)
Maryland (Md Ann Code art 33, §8-505)
Massachusetts (MGL, ch. 53, §8)
Michigan (MCL §168.47)
Mississippi (Miss Code Ann §23-15-785)
Montana (MCA §13-25-104)
Nebraska (§32-714)
Nevada (NRS §298.050)
New Mexico (NM Stat Ann §1-15-9)
North Carolina (NC Gen Stat §163-212)
Ohio (ORC Ann §3505.40)
Oklahoma (26 Okl St §10-102)
Oregon (ORS §248.355)
South Carolina (SC Code Ann §7-19-80)
Tennessee (Tenn Code Ann §2-15-104(c))
Utah (Utah Code Ann §20A-13-304)
Vermont (17 VSA §2732)
Virginia (§24.2-203)
Washington (RCW §29.71.020)
Wisconsin (Wis Stat §7.75)
Wyoming (Wyo Stat §22-19-108)
Most of the state laws referenced above state that an elector shall cast his vote for the candidates who won a majority of the popular vote in the state, or for the candidate of the party that nominated the elector. However, several state laws go further. In New Mexico, it is a 4th degree felony for an elector to vote for a candidate other than the one that received the highest number of votes in the state. If an elector violates his oath to vote for his party’s candidates, it constitutes a misdemeanor and he can be fined up to $1,000. In North Carolina, the fine was $500 until in 2001, when it was increased to $10,000. In Michigan, North Carolina and Utah, failure to vote for the candidates of the party which nominated the elector constitutes resignation from the office of elector, the elector’s vote is not recorded, and the remaining electors must fill the vacancy.
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My apology to you jrinNC
December 6, 2008 at 3:11 pm
🙂 we have a good group of people here,….. so often we take things at their word and don’t always check up on the source..
December 6, 2008 at 3:12 pm
Actually Dixie, in some state the electors are fined and/or replaced if they fail to vote for the popular candidate for their state…Will try to find the link if I still have it…
December 6, 2008 at 3:14 pm
I went article surfing last night …. grrrrrr really really wanted a bam bam club after reading the majority of them……. They don’t even attempt to get facts correct.
December 6, 2008 at 3:15 pm
sorry – a little late 🙂
I changed my avatar last night and it is STILL messed up – I want to pound that little penguin!! grrrrr I want my kitty back
December 6, 2008 at 3:17 pm
mom
you got your kitty,…..
I even have a some cat nip for him
December 6, 2008 at 3:18 pm
IMO the college needs to be abolished as it was set up when women were not allowed to vote and they thought men were too stupid to know who would really make the best president. LOL
Seriously that’s kinda how I summerized what I read. Back in the 1800’s there was a lot of rural areas and farmers and the framers of our constitution thought they weren’t paying attention to politics therefore when they voted if they voted they didn’t really know who was the best candidate.
The number of assigned electorates equals the number of congressmen where one vote is given for each House member and two votes for two Senators.
This link seems to have the easiest explanation of the electors
maitreg.com/politics/articles/electoralcollege.asp
December 6, 2008 at 3:21 pm
justanamericancindy4 Says:
December 6, 2008 at 3:11 pm
🙂 we have a good group of people here,….. so often we take things at their word and don’t always check up on the source..
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I certainly try to research first before I speak and the above I did not therefore I will apologize when wrong but then I start researching before debating further with sources to back up me up when possible, and you can not just take one source as they are not always correct.
December 6, 2008 at 3:23 pm
Dixie,
electorial would be fine if then went county by county in the states….
using Indiana as an example….. the state was completely red except for a few large counties….. but the cities trumped the rest of the state…
Yes I knew that, Women didn’t count because they expected them to just follow their husbands vote
December 6, 2008 at 3:23 pm
dixie wrote:
“Back in the 1800’s there was a lot of rural areas and farmers and the framers of our constitution thought they weren’t paying attention to politics therefore when they voted if they voted they didn’t really know who was the best candidate.”
And how is that different than today? 😉
December 6, 2008 at 3:23 pm
I didn’t know you could put smiley faces in these posts. 🙂 where do you get the ones that will work? There is nothing showing on this reply what you can use.
December 6, 2008 at 3:24 pm
JAC – really cuz I see my penguin…I’m gonna log out of wordpress and then log back in – then kitty will come back to me….here kitty, kitty…brb
December 6, 2008 at 3:25 pm
Good morning, America! How are you?!
New Thread:
December 6, 2008 at 3:26 pm
Our boy is an officer in the Marines. Third time in Iraq. They are
waiting patiently for the out come about Obama. It is the talk over
seas! The United States is becoming the laughing stock – no one can
figure out why Obama has everyone in a cloud? We continue to pray
for the truth to come out.
December 6, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Fae
We also have the same prayer.
about those who have their heads in the cloud,… they are so desperate for change they are in denial about anything that might tarnish their dreams….
and btw…… Welcome
December 6, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Good Morning Dixie! It’s one reason we have such a great group here. It’s been a great learning experience for me. I had not re-read the Constitution since I went to college–well, I did when I homeschooled my kids. But, because of all the information going around, I felt it necessary to re-read it. Still yet, things get ammended, interpreted.
My point here is, don’t worry about it. If we make a mistake, there’s always someone here to help get it all straight– and so much grace that people don’t get angry… cept Troy if you call BO PE–!
December 6, 2008 at 3:31 pm
moving to the new thread
December 6, 2008 at 3:33 pm
justanamericancindy4 Says:
December 6, 2008 at 3:23 pm
Dixie,
electorial would be fine if then went county by county in the states….
using Indiana as an example….. the state was completely red except for a few large counties….. but the cities trumped the rest of the state…
Yes I knew that, Women didn’t count because they expected them to just follow their husbands vote
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Same in Florida. We are a red state but South Florida voted that one in because it’s full of cubans. We call the Miami area little cuba and on their windows they have “we speak English”. In my county we voted 2-1 against him.
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sdee Says:
December 6, 2008 at 3:23 pm
dixie wrote:
“Back in the 1800’s there was a lot of rural areas and farmers and the framers of our constitution thought they weren’t paying attention to politics therefore when they voted if they voted they didn’t really know who was the best candidate.”
And how is that different than today? 😉
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You got that right especially in this election. I know two–only two that voted for him and when I ask them why……..all they can say is…..we don’t need 4 more years of Bush……..and I said well then it doesn’t matter if he won’t produce his BC to see if he’s eligable or it doesn’t matter to you that he’s violating the constitution by putting Hillery as SOS, and it doesn’t matter that he is putting mostly Clinton people in,……….they said what are you talking about and then said he appointed one republican. I said see you haven’t a clue who you voted for and these two women are white. I said name the republican and it took her forever to do that. They just glared at me and since we were in a public place and those two were the only two in there that voted for him we all just shut up rather than get into a major argument.