Stranger in paradise, Wild is the wind and The twelfth of never

287 Responses to “Inseparable”

  1. ryansgrammy Says:


  2. Troy Says:

    Congrats! 🙂

  3. rosettasister Says:

    More Weird Stuff!

    Dr. Roger Leir has headed two surgical teams that have removed five suspected alien implants in four separate individuals alleged to be abductees. These surgeries have attracted world wide attention. Dr. Roger Leir is a Podiatric Surgeon and has acted as Chief of Podiatry in many Southern California hospitals.

  4. Troy Says:

    Rose, check your email…I want to show you something, but i dont know how to post it here.

  5. rosettasister Says:

    okay, Troy, I’ll do that.

  6. rosettasister Says:

    Dr. Roger Leir

    3. The objects are “sheathed” in a thick amount of “nerve propioreceptors” which are not anatomically correct. ???

  7. Troy Says:

    Have y’all ever heard of Jessica the Hippo?

  8. Troy Says:

  9. rosettasister Says:

    Troy, I checked my email!

    Those have to be some of the most heartwarming and funny images I’ve ever seen.

    Would it be alright if I posted them here?


  10. Troy Says:

    Would it be alright if I posted them here?
    Rose, of course!…That’s one of the reasons I wanted you to see them. 😀

  11. Troy Says:

    I love hippos!!! 😀

  12. rosettasister Says:

    I had a feeling you would say yes, Troy!

  13. Troy Says:

  14. rosettasister Says:

    Speaking of inseparable!

    The orangutan was in a rescue and not doing well. This old hound wandered in absolutely emaciated and the orangutan snapped to like his buddy had arrived. He stayed with the hound night and day until he was well and in the whole scenario, found a reason to live. They are now inseparable.

    Suryia and Roscoe – Best Of Friends

    Where you lead, I will follow…best friends Suryia the orangutan and Roscoe the Blue Tick hound.

    Doggy paddle’s the order of the day here for the couple who live at the Tigers sanctuary in Myrtle Beach , South Carolina .

    Suryia and Roscoe spend hours together every day – they’re particularly keen on swimming.

    The two mates see the funny side of most things.

    There’s always time to chill.

    For once, Roscoe’s letting it all hang out.

    The three-year-old orangutan goes everywhere with Roscoe.

    A dog’s not just a man’s best friend, he’s an orangutan’s too.

  15. Troy Says:

    I want a baby hippo! 😀

  16. rosettasister Says:

    Suryia and Roscoe – Best Of Friends

    I think I found my new screen saver!

  17. Troy Says:

    I think I found my new screen saver!
    Hehehe…I like the close-up where they’re both smiling. 😀

  18. rosettasister Says:

    One of the images of the orangutan for some reason reminds me of one of my brother-in-laws, may God rest his soul.

    (No, not Bob the pilot, another one.)

  19. Troy Says:

    One of the images reminded me of a fright when I woke up in the morning from a night of drinking and a one night stand…It was asleep on my arm and I had to chew my own arm off in order to get away without waking it up!!!….LOL 🙂

  20. cynkading Says:

    Hi People,
    I am not sure if anyone remembers me posting a couple of months ago about the census bureau coming to my house wanting to GPS my door and I refused to allow it, well about a couple of weeks later we received a packet with a survey from them asking lots of questions. Such as how many running toilets and many very personal questions that have absolutely nothing to do with how many people live in my house. Well, we threw the first survey packet away and about a month later received a second one. My husband only answered the questions regarding how many reside in our household and wrote that it was none of their business about the other questions. We received a phone call to day from a Mario Lopez wanting to ask my husband questions about the unaswered survey and my husband refused to answer. He stated that according to the Constitution that all they needed to know was how many people reside in our house. Well, I am thinking we will be flagged or some backlash will come from this. Just really do not know. I feel that there are other like minded people who feel the same, who will not allow this invasion in to our privacy. I am needing to vent a little…………..

  21. cynkading Says:

    Any thoughts?

  22. cynkading Says:

    Troy, lol, you are too much 🙂

  23. cynkading Says:

    Btw, for about the last 3 months or so I have had more friggin trouble with my computer, problems with internet, applications hanging up, pop ups that will not stay blocked, dos ( denial of service ?) just crap all of the time.

  24. Troy Says:

    cynkadinkadoo, go ahead and talk to an attorney who is pissed off about this census nonsense and give him/her a heads-up on the situation and tell ’em you may need ’em later on.

  25. cynkading Says:

    Ok did I ruin a moment or scare everyone off?

  26. Troy Says:

    cynka, may I suggest some FREE downloadable cleaner tools for your PC?…Let me know and I will list a few.

  27. cynkading Says:

    I really don’t know one but I guess I will have to get some kind of advice. I have always had sort of a ” tude problem”. I have a little redneck in me.

  28. cynkading Says:

    Troy Says:

    October 11, 2009 at 2:44 am
    cynka, may I suggest some FREE downloadable cleaner tools for your PC?…Let me know and I will list a few.


    Please do! Did that arm grow back?

  29. Troy Says:

    Go here and download this one:

    CCleaner 2.24.1010

    Everything at filehippo is free

  30. rosettasister Says:

    FIBONACCI SEQUENCE: Mystery Numbers Of Nature

  31. rosettasister Says:

    See also:

    The Ark of the Covenant is a Golden Rectangle

    Let All Mortal Flesh Keep Silence

    Good night, good people!

  32. cynkading Says:

    My husband had the tv on this morning and I don’t recall which channel it was only that it was not Fox. There was a poll taken as to how many people felt that O was deserving of the NPP. 83% voted no and 17% yes. I was a little surprised. Just a little 🙂

  33. Troy Says:

    Here is another free tool

    What spyware/adware cleaner do you use?

    What virus protection do you use?

  34. cynkading Says:

    TYVM Troy! You are a treasure trove of info. and a good friend.

  35. cynkading Says:

    I have used spyware doctor.

  36. Troy Says:

    Thank goodness my arm grew back! 😉

  37. cynkading Says:

    Do you have a preference on cleaners? I would hate for you to be without an arm and down to one leg.

  38. cynkading Says:

    Oh I have a Symantec or Norton. Not all that impressed with it tho.

  39. Troy Says:

    I have used spyware doctor.

    I currently use it…It does a good job and it’s free.

    I use AVG 8.5 virus protection and it also does a good job. = FREE

    You have to use virus AND spyware/adware programs…They’re are programs that do both, but seperate programs dedicated to one or the other seem to work better for me.

  40. Troy Says:

    NORTON!!!…OMG, it’s practically a virus itself….I hate that SOB…Good luck trying to get that animal out of your computer…You will just about need a stick of dynamite to get rid of it. 😦

  41. cynkading Says:

    Thanks for the advice. I will check it out. I am tired tonight. Waiting on 17 yr. old daughter to get home from date with boyfirend. Been out shopping for butane heaters or kerosene heaters. Trying to weigh options. Think if electriticy goes we will need heaters and fire place. Getting ready for the hard times and the cold winter we are expected to get.

  42. Troy Says:

    use both of those cleaners that I directed you to.

  43. Troy Says:

    I use butane here, but it is getting very expensive.

  44. cynkading Says:

    Well do I need to freak about the Norton? I do not want to ever buy another one. I have had nothing but problems with this one for the last year.

  45. cynkading Says:

    I will use both cleaners. But is there a link for the first one you mentioned? You are somewhat more savy than I am about internet addys.

  46. Troy Says:

    Did you know that you can put a roll of toilet paper in a coffee can and fill it with rubbing alcohol and light it…It puts out a very small blue flame…It will keep a room warm all night…It puts out no fumes, soot or odor at all…I always used this for tents while camping out in the cold.

  47. Troy Says:

    Well do I need to freak about the Norton?
    Personally, I wouldn’t use it…Do what you want.

    Here ya go on the other cleaner.

  48. cynkading Says:

    Troy, on the it shows 3 different ones standard, with toolbar and portable, which one do I need to download?

  49. cynkading Says:

    Thanks again for all of your info. Where are Grammy, Jrinnc, goferit and the rest of the gang? You are down to slim pickings with me 🙂

  50. Troy Says:

    which one do I need to download?
    just click on the orange tab that says, “Download”
    That’s the right one.

  51. Troy Says:

    I don’t know where everyone is at…I thought I might be able to draw a few in with the animal posts, since everyone here seems to like critters. 😀

  52. Troy Says:

    duh!!!!!!!…I’m sorry…”standard”!!!!

  53. sdee Says:

    cynkading Says:
    Any thoughts?

    Who knows what they plan to do or why. Why have any conversations with them or otherwise offer anything that they can use harass you?

    I do not refuse to answer anything. I would not reply that I refused to answer anything. I fill out the form to the best of my knowledge. Any questions bout what I filled out? Sure, “I have answered the questions to the best of my knowledge”.

    Whoever, being over eighteen years of age, refuses or
    willfully neglects, when requested by the Secretary, or by any
    other authorized officer or employee of the Department of Commerce
    or bureau or agency thereof acting under the instructions of the
    Secretary or authorized officer, to answer, to the best of his
    knowledge, any of the questions on any schedule submitted to him in
    connection with any census or survey provided for by subchapters I,
    II, IV, and V of chapter 5 of this title, applying to himself or to
    the family to which he belongs or is related, or to the farm or
    farms of which he or his family is the occupant, shall be fined not
    more than $100.

  54. Troy Says:

    Anytime you download a program, pay attention to the instructions…They will ask if you want free “toolbar”….Always uncheck that box and don’t use the free toolbars.

  55. cynkading Says:

    TY will do.

  56. cynkading Says:

    sdee Says:

    October 11, 2009 at 3:32 am

    Thanks for the heads up on the info. So may be I will be fined. I would think that the small people like me would be the least of their worries. I know that I am not the only one out there who feels that all of this wanting to know how many toilets in my house are with running water is just a little too much. We at least pay our taxes so why bother with this line of questioning?

  57. sdee Says:

    Unless you are running Vista or Mac this is the best little utility I have found.

    It shows you all the garbage that has managed to get itself on one of the automatic”startup” queues on your PC. They get loaded automaticall and slow down startup. They slow the PC down and use memory running in the background.

  58. sdee Says:

    They idea is to make it worth more than what they get paid for this.

    Make them prove you did not “answer to the best of your knowledge”.

    Do not answer the phone calls. Don’t debate. If you get a letter, reply registered, return receipt. The letter should have one sentence:

    “I have answered the census form to the best of my knowledge”

  59. cynkading Says:

    As I have stated before I am not a racist person nor do I have problems with other ethnicities (sp?), but my first thought when the guy named Mario Lopez identified himself and that he was with the Census bureau, my thoughts were, I wondered if he was an undocumented worker?

  60. cynkading Says:


  61. sdee Says:

    cynkading Says:
    I wondered if he was an undocumented worker?

    We don’t need no steenkin’ documentation – it’s Amerika now.

  62. sdee Says:

    does Mario work for ACORN? Maybe he is just trying to make sure your house is fire protected 😀
    ACORN only defunded for but one month

  63. sdee Says:

    Lindsey Graham – another traitor in our midst
    Senaotr Graham signs on to Kerry climate bill

  64. sdee Says:

    Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize

    “”why do they give peace prizes to pussys?””

  65. Goferit Says:


    Thanks for the photos, a real kicker, it’s great to see ‘natural’ friends like! Hey, do you know of any freeware virus and ad/spyware for the Mac? Net has been slowing down for me recently. I don’t think it is just my computer though, my kids and wife see theirs going slower also.


    I’m usually reading at least 2 or 3 times a day here, trying to keep up with all the great info that everyone posts. Doesn’t seem to allow me to add much new! It’s nice to be missed. I’m in the ‘looking for a job’ market right now, so my time to be posting is shorter than I like.

    So much going on recently that I’m just keeping my head above water and trying to stop my head from exploding.

    Thanks Rose and the WHOLE gang for keeping a warm fire burning!

    Even if it’s just toilet paper in a can of rubbing alcohol!

  66. sdee Says:

    Anita MonCrief, ACORN whistleblower

    “”I never knew that by changing my political beliefs that I would find my faith, change the course of my life and end a self destructive pattern of victimhood. “”

  67. patriotamy Says:

    Thanks Troy, for the TP in a can heater idea. Hadn’t heard of that one.

    We are working on our own heating situation in case we lose our main source. (electricity) Have a small portable pellet burner. Seems to work just fine, and doesn’t use a lot of pellets. We tried it out last winter during a cold snap, and it kept the house warm enough to be comfortable.

    Am busy with the last of my canning, and my husband is off elk hunting this week. Hoping he gets one this year. Will supplement what we have in the freezer.

  68. KoolAid_Free_Lexi Says:


    I think you might like this. It’s one of my favorite Chistmas time songs.

  69. Troy Says:


    I think you might like this. It’s one of my favorite Chistmas time songs.
    Hehehe….I have that one saved and sent it out to friends last Christmas…Love it!!! 🙂

  70. Troy Says:

    Here is the one that I saved a few yars ago.

  71. Troy Says:

    New from Leo:

    SCOTUS: No Private Right To Quo Warranto.

  72. Troy Says:

  73. rosettasister Says:

    Is Judge Carter being pressured by Obama?

    So obama is still a british citizen?

    Yes, according to Leo!!!

    “Hillary now says Obama NOT Lolo Soetoro’s stepson” Anybody heard anything about this?


    Sorry if this is old news and I haven’t read this morning’s posts yet. I don’t know where this info about what Hillary said or didn’t say came from.

    But we’ve all seen the Indonesian public school records. If memory serves, Lolo registered Barack as his stepson and as a Muslim. And I remember something about Barack having to be an Indonesian citizen and that he couldn’t hold dual citizenship in order to register at that school.

    And something else is nagging at me. I know I shouldn’t even “go there” but I recall Korir mentioning something about Michelle saying that just because Lolo adopted Barack, that wouldn’t keep him from the presidency.

    Oh well, everybody thinks me a loon already anyway!

  74. Troy Says:

    He had to be adopted in order to be an Indonesian citizen and attend school.

  75. rosettasister Says:

    That’s what I thought, too, Troy.

    Please also take a look at my next post.

    I’m curious about something.

  76. rosettasister Says:

    Wow, I am really out of touch! So TerriK is saying Polarik said this about her? Of course I am just interested and I realize this may or may not be important or crucial.


    Why would he then try to discredit me on a post I left on FR, entitled “Orly is Working for Obama?” His thuggish attempts to use sexism to paint me as ‘unstable’ bear a stark resemblance to the tactics used on the left against Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin.


    “There was NO PRESS RELEASE. It was a direct statement made to Dan Nagaso of the Honolulu Advertiser.

    An “electronic press release? You mean, like an email that nobosy else has seen except you?

    51 posted on Tue Aug 4 14:38:36 2009 by Polarik (Obama: When destroying America is not enough.)”

    **It should be noted that when ‘Polarik’ confirmed he got the Press Release pdf sent to me from Okubo on the night of 7/27/09, which I uploaded for him especially on August 3, he then directed me to a story about Orly and the ‘Kenyan Birth Certificate’ that was dropped on us all in early August. As it turns out, he directed me to a distraction. We all remember the ‘crumpled ball’ photos saying we got punked? Eh?

    I have my own understanding of what happened with ‘Polarik’ on August 4 and, therefore, that led me to question the person that gave ‘Polarik’ her claimed Hawaii COLB. This person approached me and in talking to her, she claimed to have a ‘Filed by Registrar’ COLB from Hawaii herself. It’s available online, often in conjunction with ‘Polarik’s’ stuff. This person also claimed that there was nothing unusual about the birth information contained within her alleged COLB–no amendments pending or otherwise, she told me, just a regular birth certificate. So I guess that blows that theory, huh?

    Not so fast, I say. This COLB came out shortly after Obama released his COLB online, as I recall. It was used to get people focused on a possible forgery. Ha! It successfully distracted people from questioning too closely the words” ‘Filed by Registrar’ found on both COLBs. From the beginning. Imagine that?

    I don’t know about you guys, but I have reason to suspect now that this person was mistaken, joshing with us, or received a COLB issued in error IF her story behind it is true and correct. Furthermore, a quick Google of her name indicated she was in Colorado–not Hawaii.

    I can’t say for certain, but it appears that people are having fun at our expense. And these people link with other people we are trusting to help with this issue. The time to STOP relying on others is NOW. Seems no one is above suspicion these days. Be wary. Get answers from Hawaii or credible sources as I have. Do it yourselves.

  77. sisterrosetta Says:

  78. rosettasister Says:

    McCain: GOP Needs An Agenda

  79. rosettasister Says:

    Govs. Granholm, Daniels & Wynn, Zandi On Effect Of Stimulus

    Steve Wynn

    Haven’t seen this one yet, but I hear LE RÊVE is one of the best shows in Las Vegas.

  80. rosettasister Says:

    “Let’s Not Get Stuck On Stupid.” General Honore


    Obama dithers toward an Afghan defeat

    A half-measure plan won’t do the job

    “This is typical Obama pabulum,” said Jennifer Rubin of Commentary magazine. “Both sides are extreme and he, the voice of moderation, will step in to split the difference. But this doesn’t work in a war when the middle ground, as we learned in both Afghanistan and Iraq, is not a viable option.”

    “This sort of willful obtuseness is deeply troubling because there simply isn’t any viable military/strategic rationale for what the president is straining to do,” Ms. Rubin said. “It’s a political approach plain and simple. He wants money for health care, and he doesn’t want a revolt on the left.”

    If President Obama opts for a strategy Gen. McChrystal thinks will lead to defeat, he has a difficult decision to make. As a serving officer, he must obey any lawful orders the president issues, even if they are stupid and dangerous. And as a serving officer, he shouldn’t publicly criticize decisions the commander in chief makes.

    But, as The Wall Street Journal said in an editorial, “no commander in uniform should ask his soldiers to die for a strategy he doesn’t think is winnable — or for a president who lets his advisers and party blame a general for their own lack of political nerve.”

    (Why should we be asking our fighting men and women to risk their lives if it’s NOT going to make a difference in the everyday lives of the Afghani people, especially the women and girls? Our military knows there are some things worth fighting for. And they’re willing to sacrifice IF that sacrifice will ultimately set people free. It must be a noble fight with noble aspirations or we should just come home.)

  81. rosettasister Says:

    Latest from Dutch blog on Iran:,%2Bvan%2Bbinnenuit%2B%2522Joost%2BNiem%25C3%25B6ller%2522%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26tbo%3D1%26tbs%3Dqdr:w

  82. rosettasister Says:

    blunt dog says:
    11 oktober 2009 om 19:12 October 11, 2009 at 19:12

    Foto van die geexecuteerde knaap.

    Pictures of the boy executed.

  83. rosettasister Says:

    More background information on Behnood Shojaei

    17-year-old Behnood Shojaee was convicted of killing a 19 year old boy named Omid during a street fight involving over a dozen boys.

    Shojaee says that he tried to stop the fight and used a chard of glass from a broken soda bottle in self defence. He said he hit an attacker once only with the piece of glass. Shojaee’s lawyer Mohammad Mostafaei argues that the coroner found several wounds by various objects making it unable to assess who was responsible for the fatal blow causing death.

    At first the family of the victim wanted over 2 million dollars US in “blood money” compensation. After months of negotiation, and his execution being postponed three times, the “diyeh” was reduced to approximately $625,000 USD.

    Shojaee who grew up with his grandparents since the death of his mother at age 10 from diabetes and a father living with depression from his tragic loss, he could not afford the required “diyeh”.

  84. rosettasister Says:

    I am so thankful to God for allowing me to raise my two children in these United States.

    More Iran Updates:

  85. rosettasister Says:

    Next protest day in Iran , November 4th 2009, Aban 13 1388

  86. rosettasister Says:

    McCain warns against ‘historic’ error in Afghanistan

    Sen. John McCain said any added military deployment in Afghanistan smaller than the 40,000 troops reportedly requested by the top U.S. commander there “would be an error of historic proportions.”

    Asked whether he thought the war in Afghanistan could be won with fewer troops than Gen. Stanley McChrystal has reportedly requested, McCain said, “I do not.”

    The Arizona Republican, who was defeated by President Obama in the 2008 presidential election, spoke in a wide-ranging interview that aired Sunday on CNN’s “State of the Union.”

    “I think the great danger now is a half-measure, sort of a — you know, try to please all ends of the political spectrum,” McCain told CNN chief national correspondent John King. “And, again, I have great sympathy for the president, making the toughest decisions that presidents have to make, but I think he needs to use deliberate speed.”

    Disregarding requirements that have been “laid out and agreed to” by Central Command head Gen. David Petraeus and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Adm. Michael Mullen “would be an error of historic proportions,” McCain said when asked whether 10,000 or 20,000 additional troops in Afghanistan would suffice.

  87. rosettasister Says:

    I realize the myriad problems over in Iraq, but can you imagine a headline like this under Saddam Hussein?

    “Iraqis take to streets to protest government”

  88. rosettasister Says:

    Help Requested: “Operation Uplift” packages for our Military over in the box.

    How about the low moral that our Marines and Troops are dealing with at the moment? Or the fact that Obama will not help OUR Military!

    At this moment, I have had numerous emails coming in to ask to help. Help Sarah Palin, help our Troops and Marines. Just help out in general and since Track Palin had his mom, Sarah come to the ceremony to welcome his unit home from Iraq and
    the fact I have a friend who is back home due to a horrible family accident, yet is stationed in Afghanistan, I and a co-worker of mine have decided to give back.

    With your help… and to make a statement to Obama, the administration and to all those who do not care about our Marines, Troops and those over in Iraq and Afghanistan who are doing what is told, even if they do not agree.

    Let us shower them with packages and remind them they are not forgotten.

  89. jrinNC Says:

    Recorded on 9 Oct 09 – He is relatively calm in this video

  90. jrinNC Says:

    LOL – I love the way that video ended – “We gonna grease your grapevine”

  91. jrinNC Says:

    Not much news today folks. Very slow. Well I guess DC didn’t get sacked unless you call the Gay Rights gathering a bomb shell. All I can say is the days of Sodom and Gomorrah are upon us for sure.

    By the way Troy, love the animal pics.

  92. Troy Says:

    Ladies, get out your tissues.

  93. Troy Says:

  94. jrinNC Says:

    Bless his heart – I too am probably going to go through the death of a dog soon. My 12 yr old tiny sleeved Peke has already gone deaf and the vet said a few weeks ago she is now going blind. It is never easy to lose a pet. I have lost 2 dogs and am still heart broken.

  95. Troy Says:


  96. Troy Says:

  97. CJ Says:

    Troy: Love those videos! I am a bleeding heart animal lover and always have been. My dogs are like my kids. It’s a beautiful, uplifting thing to see how humans and animals of all kinds can bond in such loving ways. A hippo of all things! Who knew? The girl and her horse touched on the magic that bond can be. It gives me hope that most humans have an infinite capacity to love and care for what the good lord placed on earth along with us. Thanks for posting those and I sure hope your knee is feeling a bit bettter.

  98. Troy Says:

  99. Troy Says:

    Thanks for posting those and I sure hope your knee is feeling a bit bettter.
    You’re welcome and the knee is improving considerably.

  100. Troy Says:

  101. CJ Says:

    Kind of random but Congress still seems to be exempting themselves from the grand healthcare plan they are so hell bent on passing for us little people. There should be a remedy to make them enjoy the ride with the rest of us. Came across this quote and it is so prophetic from one of our founding fathers:

    James Madison
    Federalist Papers 57:

    “I will add, as a fifth circumstance in the situation of the House of Representatives,
    restraining them from oppressive measures, that they can make no law
    which will not have its full operation on themselves and their friends,
    as well as on the great mass of the society

    If this spirit shall ever be so far debased as to tolerate a law
    not obligatory on the legislature, as well as on the people,
    the people will be prepared to tolerate any thing but liberty.”

    Now why don’t we follow the common sense that was handed down to us from people who knew better???

  102. Troy Says:

    Letterman’s wife is nailing his arse with a 300 million dollar divorce for his on-air admission of being a scumsucking dirtbag. 😀

    Hey Dave, Sarah says, Hello!!! 😉

  103. Troy Says:

    Now why don’t we follow the common sense that was handed down to us from people who knew better???
    The policians in DC despise the founding fathers and all they stood for…DC is now over ran by communists.

  104. CJ Says:

    Is that true about Letterman’s wife? Oh that’s too good if it is. Karma a bit** isn’t it? His whole career started to go down after he attacked Sarah the way he did. To think I used to like his show. Pathetic little man.

  105. Troy Says:

    Is that true about Letterman’s wife?
    It was being discussed on Fox News.

  106. CJ Says:

    Karma’s a bi***. Sheeesh.

  107. Troy Says:

    He’s finished!!!

  108. Fernley Girl Says:

    Troy, TY for the hankie warning! Skidboot was an awesome dog. Loved the tape of Stacey Westfall………the first time I ever rode bareback I was 3, on the back of my Aunt Suzie’s draft horse Eagle. He was so big it was like riding on a table with legs! You always manage to hit my “nostalgia” button.

  109. rosettasister Says:

    5:19AM Pacific

    Good morning, early birds!

  110. rosettasister Says:

    ‘FOX News Sunday’ panel discusses what President Obama should in Afghanistan

  111. rosettasister Says:

    Public Plan – Or Something Like It – Still On The Table In Health Reform Debate

    Politico: “Groping for a way out of a political bind, Democrats are defining down what constitutes a government-run insurance plan — and by extension, what it takes to declare victory.

    At this point, Senate Democrats are signaling they could get behind just about anything they could plausibly call the public option — from a ‘trigger’ that could kick in a public insurance plan later, to Delaware Sen. Tom Carper’s proposal to give states an option to create a government program.

    Liberals who’ve long distrusted private insurers and dreamed of a nationwide, government-run insurance plan see it as a cave-in.

    Senate leaders see something different — a path to 60 votes for the first time all year.”

    “‘It’s a tried-and-true legislative strategy for getting everyone to ‘yes,’ ‘ said a Democratic strategist familiar with congressional leadership strategy.

    ‘Narrow your differences by broadening the definition of what constitutes success.”

    (Budoff Brown, 10/11).

    The Los Angeles Times had a Q & A about the week ahead, which included the following:

    “What is the ‘opt-out’ public option being discussed as a possible compromise?

    A proposal championed by Sens. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Thomas R. Carper (D-Del.) would allow states to decide whether they want to include a government-run insurance plan on a state insurance exchange.

    The idea is an attempt to attract liberal supporters who believe a so-called public option must be part of a final bill and moderates who don’t want to force the option on states.

    The provision is not currently part of the Finance bill, but could be added by Reid or through an amendment on the Senate floor” (Geiger, 10/11).

    (Carper’s compromise included an opt-in for states, not an opt-out. Schumer’s pushing an opt-out for obvious reasons. Snowe’s trigger is looking better all the time. I hope the “Gang of Eight” moderate Democrats stick to their guns and oppose this push from the left to squeak in this opt-out proposal.)

  112. rosettasister Says:

    The aide said that most Democratic lawmakers would vote for a public option with a trigger before embracing co-ops.

    Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) supports the trigger plan, which would set up a government insurance program only if private insurance companies failed to meet certain standards.

    Watch Out For This!

    The newest proposal to gain momentum would create a national government health insurance plan and give individual states the option of not participating.

    It’s a variation of a compromise floated by Sen. Tom Carper (D-Del.) and remains in its preliminary stages.

    The proposal could be significant if it gains backing from centrist Democrats such as Carper because leading liberals appear willing to accept it.

    “At first blush, that sounds good,” New York Times columnist Paul Krugman wrote on his blog.

    “It’s true that the states most likely to opt out will probably be small states that really need the competition.

    But many states, with probably a majority of the population, would opt in.

    And if the public option works well, there will soon be pressure on politicians in the others to do the same.”

    (I hope Repubs are awake to this. Honestly, they’re beginning to sound like broken records. They should be sounding the alarm on this pushing the public-option in through the back door with this opt-in or opt-out. If they don’t get behind Snowe’s trigger and soon, we could end up with something far, far worse.)

  113. rosettasister Says:

    Schumer is a sneaky bastard! Watch out!

    There were already several compromise ideas on the table, such as consumer-owned co-ops, voluntary state-level public plans and state plans that would kick in if insurance companies didn’t meet certain conditions.

    But Carper and Schumer came up with a creative new approach with potentially broader appeal: A federal public plan that states could decline to offer if they so chose or, in a reverse permutation, that they could join if they so chose.

    Some variation of this could resolve one of the stickiest issues in the reform process.

    People who aren’t paid to pay close attention to Capitol Hill aren’t going to notice this little stroke of (possibly transformative) legislative prowess. Bad behavior, partisan conflict, slow progress and massive complexity (the kind that leads to fear of change) are far more visible.

    Add to that a dark pall over everything Washington-related these days because the economy is so bad.

    Americans “see 9.8 percent unemployment and continued sluggishness. That trumps everything else,” Ornstein says.

  114. rosettasister Says:


  115. jrinNC Says:

    India Test-Fires Nuclear-Capable Missile,2933,564202,00.htm

  116. rosettasister Says:

    so sorry about your doggie, jr.

    I hope she isn’t suffering.

  117. rosettasister Says:

    India test-fires nuclear-capable missile

  118. rosettasister Says:

    Zandi: Unemployment headed to 10.5 percent

    Son of Stim ???

    1) Extend the first-time home buyer credit

    2) Create a new credit for companies who hire

    3) Extend jobless benefits in every state, or just particularly distressed states, or every state but even more in particularly distressed states.

    4) Give tax refunds to struggling companies

    5) Institute a payroll tax holiday

    6) Pass another stimulus but call it something like “State Rescue Plan” and send most of the money to state governments

  119. rosettasister Says:

    The idea of a Tobin tax, a tax on financial transactions, is gaining some mo’ in Congress:

    1) Even a 0.10 percent tax would double the cost of US stock trading where the average commission cost is just under a dime. Welcome back to the pre-Internet early 1990s.

    2) It would reduce market volumes and make the equity market less attractive. Kind of dumb thing to do in a time of constrained credit markets where it is tough to raise money.

    3) That supposed $100 billion-$150 billion in revenue wouldn’t appear out of thin air. It would come from investment firms who would pass along costs to customers.

    4) It would drive trading activity to less costly trading centers, such as the Toronto Stock Exchange (at least if we are talking about the US). Goodbye US jobs.

  120. jrinNC Says:

    Thanks Rose, She really isn’t suffering right now. I do have to shake her to wake her up and she doesn’t hear me when I call her to go outside. A few times she has scared me because she goes into a deep sleep. I will put her to sleep when she gets to the point that it is stressful for her. But right now she is doing the best she can. I hate to let her go but I will know when the time is right.

  121. Troy Says:

  122. rosettasister Says:

    I will put her to sleep when she gets to the point that it is stressful for her.


    That’s always such a tough call to make, and only we can make it.

    I know human beings and animals are different, but I can’t help but wonder if their spirit, too, is eternal.

  123. jrinNC Says:

    This was posted on my local TV station. My cousin called me and told me she heard this on the morning news:

    “Book Bonfire
    – 10/12/2009
    It’s a new church, it’s and already starting a controversy. The Amazing Grace Baptist Church in Canton plans to hold a Halloween bonfire. They will burn books,including the Bible! The pastor says some versions are a perversion of God’s work. The burning will also include pop music and books by contemporary Christian authors like Billy Graham and Rick Warren. ”

    The news will be coming on at 12 so I will listen to see what this is about. She did say they were only burning Bibles that were not the King James Version. But I am shocked they are burning books by Graham. She said they were also burning books by Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins.

  124. rosettasister Says:


    As the Senate Finance Committee prepares to vote on health care legislation, a key trade group, America’s Health Insurance Plans, released an analysis of the plan that concluded it would increase the typical family premium by $4,000 in 2019.

    Obama Administration and Senate Finance officials dispute that claim.

    If the Finance panel, as expected, approves its package, the legislation would be combined with a measure approved by the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee with Senate action expected later this month.

  125. jrinNC Says:

    I know human beings and animals are different, but I can’t help but wonder if their spirit, too, is eternal.

    Rose, I feel the same. I just don’t believe that God would not allow these wonderful animals to enter some kind of eternity. I believe in the “Rainbow Bridge.” And I hope someday that I will again be reunited with the wonderful pets that have been a part of my life.

  126. rosettasister Says:

    I would have to say that most Americans disapprove of burning books.

  127. jrinNC Says:

    Well I will listen to the news and get the full scoop and report back on exactly what they are doing.

  128. rosettasister Says:


    Total Approve 49

    Total Disapprove 51

    (I wondered if Obama’s approval would take a hit for being awarded the Nobel, but numbers haven’t changed much.)

  129. Troy Says:

    I know human beings and animals are different, but I can’t help but wonder if their spirit, too, is eternal.
    All living things are composed of energy….Energy doen’t simply cease to exist, but instead transfers to another state of being….When lightening strikes the ground the energy doesn’t just go away….It is transfered into the earth and still exists….I don’t think that we are so special and priveledged that God allows only our spirit / energy to take another form….My two past doggies are both more deserving than I of an eternal life….They never hurt a soul and I have.

  130. rosettasister Says:

    Have you ever had a dream where one of your animals who has passed over talks to you? I have.

  131. rosettasister Says:

    Military scholars Frederick and Kimberly Kagan

    Husband and wife take stage in debate on Afghanistan

    Writing for Foreign Policy magazine late last month about

    the small group of outside experts advising McChrystal, including the Kagans,

    Stephen M. Walt, a professor of international relations at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government, said they seem intent on avoiding “the real question that President Obama (and the nation) faces:

    should the United States increase its presence in the hopes of reversing the situation, or should it cut its losses and get out?’’

    The pair declined to be interviewed for this story, but in an e-mail, Frederick Kagan, who is a resident scholar at the conservative American Enterprise Institute in Washington, defended their approach.

    “We do not pursue any ideology when it comes to the military assessments and recommendations we provide,’’ he said.

    “We make our best efforts to evaluate America’s interests objectively, to understand enemy forces, friendly forces, and third parties, and to identify the courses of action we think are best to pursue our country’s interests.’’

    The couple, who fiercely guard their personal privacy, first teamed up as undergraduates at Yale in the early 1990s, according to Frederick’s father, Donald Kagan, a Yale historian and well-known neoconservative.

  132. Tenacity Says:

    CJ Says:
    October 12, 2009 at 2:00 am

    …. that they can make no law which will not have its full operation on themselves and their friends, as well as on the great mass of the society

    If this spirit shall ever be so far debased as to tolerate a law
    not obligatory on the legislature, as well as on the people,
    the people will be prepared to tolerate any thing but liberty.”

    Now why don’t we follow the common sense that was handed down to us from people who knew better???
    CJ, If after the mail-in ballots are counted, I remain one of the 3 CC2009 delegates elected from Colorado, I will carry your suggestion as stated by James Madison into the platform we present at CC2009.

  133. Troy Says:

    ROFLMAO!!! 😀

  134. rosettasister Says:

  135. rosettasister Says:

    ManBearPig Movie found here:

    Friendly Reminder from the BBC: There’s Been No Global Warming Since 1998

  136. rosettasister Says:

    Obama must send more troops, says … Dianne Feinstein?

  137. rosettasister Says:

    The Obama Administration Should Listen To Dianne Feinstein

    Senator Dianne Feinstein told me this morning that President Obama must approve General McChrystal’s recommendations for an additional 40,000 troops on the ground in Afghanistan.

    “I don’t know how you put somebody in, who is as ‘cracker jack’ as General McChrystal who gives the president very solid recommendations and not take those recommendations if you are not going to pull out,” Feinstein told me on ’This Week.’

    “If you do not want to take the recommendations then you put your people in such jeopardy.”

  138. jrinNC Says:

    Have you ever had a dream where one of your animals who has passed over talks to you? I have.
    No I haven’t Rose. But 2 of my Mom’s dogs and 1 of mine died here at my home and at times it seems I feel their presence. Maybe it is just wishful thinking on my part.

  139. jrinNC Says:

    Ten – Goodluck – I pray that you will be selected.

  140. rosettasister Says:

    David Ignatius of The Washington Post discusses the complicated relationship between the U.S. and Pakistan.

  141. rosettasister Says:

    GOP candidate leads Dem in key VA governor’s race.

  142. jrinNC Says:

    I’m telling you – the news is scarce. Gearing up for something big I guess.

    BTW Troy, hope your knee is better and PS – God Loves You Very Much. You may have done somethings you are not proud of, but I can sense through your writings that you are a compassionate and caring person.

  143. rosettasister Says:

    I can sense through your writings that you are a compassionate and caring person.



  144. rosettasister Says:

    Republicans argued that Obama would be making a major mistake if he doesn’t quickly answer McChrystal’s call for more troops.

    Sen. John McCain, the top Republican on the Armed Services Committee, said it would be “an error of historic proportions’ if Obama decides against a significantly larger U.S. presence.

    Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said Afghan national police are “getting slaughtered’ and thousands more forces are needed to bring security and stability to the country.

    Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said that a request by Obama for more troops in Afghanistan would have broad support from Senate Republicans. McConnell also acknowledged Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai’s government is rife with corruption.

    “There’s no question that this is a flawed administration,’ McConnell said of Karazi’s government. “But remember, this is about protecting the United States of America. We know that this has been a haven for terrorists in the past and we don’t want to let it become a haven for terrorists again.’

  145. Troy Says:

    BTW Troy, hope your knee is better
    Thanks jr….I’m walking a little bit today.

    You may have done somethings you are not proud of, but I can sense through your writings that you are a compassionate and caring person.
    I’m riddled with flaws, but I keep myself aware of them and try my best to beat ’em back with a stick….I certainly never intentionally hurt anyone, but I know that I have inadvertently….I have a long way to go….Still truckin’!

  146. rosettasister Says:

    Carper Opt-in Schumer Opt-out (Watch out Repubs and Centrist Dems!)

    Senators Schumer (NY) and Carper (DE) have proposed a state-by-state opt-out option that has serious potential for reviving the public plan option.

    The Huffington Post reports:

    “In private, aides on Capitol Hill say that the opt-out option remains one of several proposals being debating (sic) as a compromise to a straightforward national public plan.

    But, they add, it is quickly winning plaudits within the caucus.

    A senior aide said that Schumer was taking the lead on negotiating the compromise approach — along with Carper….”

    Senator Tom Carper’s original compromise proposal had been an “opt-in” option for states, but the suggestion of reversing the option by progressives in the Senate seems to be gathering momentum.

    Stay tuned.

  147. jrinNC Says:

    US recession over, but employment will lag: survey

    “The Great Recession is over,” according to the consensus macroeconomic outlook of a panel of 44 professional forecasters of the National Association of Business Economics (NABE).

  148. jrinNC Says:

    Poorer nations to get donated swine flu vaccine: WHO

    Well I donate mine to them too.

  149. jrinNC Says:

    Can’t remember if this was posted or not:

    Dead Man Walking

    “Credit is everything. Without credit expansion there’s no recovery because there’s no pick-up in overall demand. But credit growth is going backwards. The banks have tightened lending standards and the pool of credit-worthy applicants has vanished. Bank lending is off 14 per cent since October 2008. Private credit is presently decreasing at a 10.5 per cent annual rate. The situation is getting worse, not better.”

    This is true – I have a 789 credit score and was turned down to borrow money for a metal roof for my house. Guess the Lord knows best, at least that is the way I am taking it.

  150. jrinNC Says:

    Don’t know how many saw this, but WOW:

    Video Shows Cars, Trucks Tossed by Tsunami Waves

    FBI video shows cars, trucks tossed around by waves from tsunami that struck American Samoa

  151. rosettasister Says:


    even successful franchises my husband does business with CANNOT get the loans they need to expand and create jobs.


  152. rosettasister Says:

    This should tell you just how bad an idea this is. Repubs should be screaming about this! And we need to get the Gang of Eight on record saying they’ll vote NO on opt-out.

    Dean: If I Were A Senator I’d Vote For Opt-Out Public Option

  153. jrinNC Says:

    Enough is enough says Italy’s gay community

    Seems Italy had a big gay rights rally as well.

  154. Troy Says:

    “The Great Recession is over,”
    Malarky!!!…..They are constantly trying to paint a rosie picture so that people will continue to spend and invest…It’s an imparitive….They have to hide the grim statistics to keep the collapse from entering into hyper mode…Our economy is on a slow, but steady downhill crash….When debt is continually piled up higher and higher and the Fed prints money out of thin air, then there can be no other outcome….I may be a simple minded country boy, but it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see this.

    Since these, so called, economist and financial experts continue to take us down this destructive path, I can only assume that it is all being done intentionally….They are a hell of a lot smarter than me, but yet I can see what they can’t???…I don’t think so!!!!…..Intentional misdeeds is the only logical conclusion that I can see.

  155. rosettasister Says:

    What I fear might happen is Reid will toss opt-out and settle on opt-in, which was Carper’s original proposal.

    Individual states deciding to opt-in sounds reasonable, but they need to give Snowe’s trigger a chance, i.e., they need to give private insurers a chance.

    Dems have the votes and Reid knows he has to present a final Senate bill that can get 60 votes.

    So the Gang of Eight is crucial.

  156. jrinNC Says:

    This should tell you just how bad an idea this is.
    You know it is bad if Dean is saying it.

  157. Troy Says:

    A shout out to JB….How are you doing, girl???….A couple of more weeks on the wired jaw?….I miss seeing your posts!

    Drop us a line!

  158. rosettasister Says:

    Here is the Gang of Eight. It really does come down to these eight senators if we end up with Snowe’s trigger or something much worse.

    Sens. Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark.),

    Evan Bayh (D-Ind.),

    Mary Landrieu (D-La.),

    Joe Lieberman (ID-Conn.),

    Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.),

    Ben Nelson (D-Neb.),

    Mark Pryor (D-Ark.) and

    Jim Webb (D-Va.).

  159. rosettasister Says:

    Something else to consider — these 3 Dems on Senate Finance Committee might oppose opt-out. Notice Blanche Lincoln is on both lists.

    Only three Democrats voted against both “robust” and modest public option amendments to the Senate Finance Committee’s health care bill:

    Kent Conrad (D-ND),

    Max Baucus (D-MT), and

    Blanche Lincoln (D-AR).

  160. jrinNC Says:

    Problem Bank List (Unofficial) Oct 2, 2009

  161. rosettasister Says:

    Upcoming Show: 10/12/2009 6:00 PM Pacific ?

    On Obama’s Birth Certificate –

    Terri K, the instigator of the Hawaiian open records law investigation of Barack Obama’s Birth Certificate and related documentation…

    Hear how she and Leo Donofrio continue to uncover the cover-up…

    You may also wish to hear the prior Monday’s Awakening, with guest, Leo Donofrio.

    For further information, see “The Hawaiian Investigation of Birth Certificate Attestations & Realities” in Investigating Obama.

    The Awakening, with Arlen Williams

  162. rosettasister Says:

    Wonder what this is all about:

    Dr. Conspiracy says:
    October 12, 2009 at 2:05 pm

    First off, the “dossier” from Susan Daniels says that the preponderance of dates associated with the magic Social Security number in question say August 4, 1961 (which is coincidentally the date of birth of Barack Obama). A few of the references have the month and day switched. So the person Orly is sending out her scavenger hunters to find, born in 1890, does not exist. And why does Orly need volunteers to send in FOIA requests? Why do they need to be sent by multiple people? This is harassment, pure and simple.

    Now if one indeed searches the Social Security Death Index for Barack H Obama or Barack Obama, there are no records found — so no one named Barack Obama and is now dead ever had a Social Security number. I know the Social Security Number Orly has in mind due to her sloppy privacy procedures, and it’s not in the death index either. So throw that theory out the window.

    SSN’s consist of an an area number (3 digits) a group number (2 digits) and a serial number (4 digits). The area number tells you WHERE the SSN was issued, and in the case of the magic SSN, it was indeed Connecticut. (See for information on SSN structure).

    It’s funny that Orly in her court document attempted to mark out the LAST FOUR digits of the alleged SSN while other commentators mark out the FIRST FIVE digits. So all you have to do is consult two sources and get the whole thing.

    DrunkenObot says:
    October 12, 2009 at 2:39 pm

    Thanks, Doc. I’ll pass the info along to Orly. I’m glad you’re interested in getting to the truth and not just protecting BO at any cost.

  163. CJ Says:

    Tenaciy: Just read your post re Madison. I am glad and grateful that you may(will be) be one of the CC members. I support everything you are doing and I hope and pray you get the chance to follow through on your statement. Madison knew the meaning and truth of the Constitution. I’ll be looking forward to the next step.

  164. Tenacity Says:

    Orly Taitz looks like she will be a CC2009 delegate for California. Dr. Kate will be representing Wyoming. Bruce Ray Riggs will be representing Delaware.

    Based on my walk-in tally, it will be tough to unseat me via the mail-in vote. Quite a few of my constituents including family voted via mail-in. You never know and the tally will not be final until Saturday.

  165. jrinNC Says:

    17-Pound, 4-Month-Old Baby Denied Health Insurance for Being Too Fat,2933,564501,00.html

    Underwriters, the people who are in charge of assessing risk for insurance companies, have decided that baby Alex’s pre-existing condition — obesity — makes him a high-risk patient and have denied him coverage.

    I’m sorry but this health care reform crap has opened Pandora’s Box

  166. jrinNC Says:

    Update on above story – “Today, after getting national media attention, little Alex just might be eligible for health insurance. ”

  167. jrinNC Says:

    Very Long Article – but very good points

    United We Fall
    by Frank Chodorov

    The following article is from the May 1950 issue of analysis, vol. VI, no. 7, and was reprinted on

    “In short, a states’ rights movement should take the form of the secession from Washington, not from the Union, and nullification of the directives issuing from bureaucracies. It would be revolutionary in character but legal in form, because the autonomy of the state governments is inherent in the Constitution. Besides, there is no way for the federal government to indict the state governments, and revolution is always legal when it is successful.”

  168. jrinNC Says:

    Will a climate bill come in November? Bet on it, but Obama will never see it–but-obama-will-never-see-it

  169. jrinNC Says:

    Bill Bennett Slams Obama for Focusing on “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” While McChrystal Waits on Reinforcements – Video 10/11/09

    Here is video of Bill Bennett splendidly bringing things into focus by slamming the Obama Administration for elevating the repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” at a time when “8-10 American” soldiers are dying each day and Gen. McChrystal is waiting on an answer as to whether he will get the reinforcements he needs to win. In fact, Bennett said that if he were a general in Iraq or Afghanistan and heard that the debate in Washington was over “Don’t ask, Don’t tell” instead of the critical issues of life and death, he would consider “resigning” his commission.

    The rest of the panel was clearly taken aback by Bennett and tried to recuperate after he leveled them with this common sense blast.

  170. jrinNC Says:

    2 Nobel winners may shape financial crisis debate

    NOTE following excerpt: ” Eleven American citizens, some of them with dual nationality, were among the 13 Nobel winners, including President Barack Obama, who won the Nobel Peace Prize on Friday.”

    Wonder if this was referring to BO????????

  171. jrinNC Says:

    OK someone else’s turn to post.

  172. Troy Says:

  173. Katie Says:


    Saturday I had the distinct honor of working at a polling location for the Continental Congress. It was set up in a beautiful outdoor location on what should have been a lovely early autumn day with an average temperature of 69 degrees.

    The HIGH temperature of the day? A WHOPPING 22 degrees!

    Thankfully someone took pity on our frozen souls and brought a massive propane heater to get through the day.

    The result? Our Tenacity received the most votes!!!

    For that, I’ll freeze my ass off. However, the next person that uses the global warming B.S. with me is going to get an earful!!!

    Three cheers for Tenacity!!!

  174. jrinNC Says:

    “Barack Obama ran an unprecedented Presidential campaign – utilizing the power of design to help secure the seat of the President of the United States of America. However, his iconic emblem, the ever present “O”, holds more power than even Obama knows. Bill Whittle points out the dangers of branding an ideology with an icon and how, perhaps, the powerful symbol will be used against the very man it built up.”

  175. ryansgrammy Says:

    Hey Gang — can’t see pics or videos cause I’m on dial-up. I’ll have a lot to catch up on this weekend when I get back. Right now we’re in the Great Smokey Mountains in Gatlinburg, TN and its rainy. Tomorrow is the only day where we might see the rain. The leaves are starting to turn so the scenery is pretty. I guess we’ll all be watching to see what happens on the hill tomorrow. Catch up with you later.

  176. ryansgrammy Says:

    Congrats Ten!!

  177. CJ Says:

    Way to go Mr. Tenacity!!

  178. Troy Says:

    Indentured Servitude: Doctors Will Be “Drafted” Under Obamacare – With Video

  179. Troy Says:

    Russell Simmons: God Will Destory Us If We Don’t Follow Barack

  180. jrinNC Says:

  181. patriotamy Says:

    Got this link in an email this morning. All I can say is WOW !!

  182. patriotamy Says:

    Congratulations Tenacity!! 😀 No doubt in my mind that you will represent your state and We the People very well.

  183. patriotamy Says:

    When you visit the link I posted, mouse over the individuals in the painting for a brief read on who they are.

  184. rosettasister Says:

    Senate Finance Committee Live on BaucusCare

  185. rosettasister Says:

    Live Blogging the Finance Panel Vote on Health Care Bill

    Landmark Day? | 10:18 a.m. “This is our opportunity to make history,” Mr. Baucus tells his colleagues. “Our actions here will determine whether we extend more health care to more Americans.”

    Republican Upset | 10:21 a.m. In Mr. Grassley’s turn to speak, he thanks Mr. Baucus for the “thorough process.” But he adds, “I wish I felt better about the substance of the bill.” One problem, he said, was that there was some “leftward” movement of the bill, which he found “disturbing.” The bill is moving on a slippery slope to government control, he says, as he signals how unhappy the Republicans are with this process.

  186. rosettasister Says:

    Senator Lieberman hesitant to support ambitious health insurance reform

    “I’m concerned that there’s a danger that we’re trying to do to much here,” Lieberman said, adding that trying to bend the health care cost curve down while simultaneously expanding coverage to millions of uninsured Americans “may be really hard to pull off.”

    This puts us in this position where you say, “On the one hand, what we’re about to do on adopting health care reform will reduce the cost of health insurance from what it would otherwise be,” and on the other hand you say, “Well incidentally, we’re gonna raise your taxes or cut your Medicare to the tune of $900 billion or $1 trillion.”

    And people are beginning to think they that maybe they’d do better holding onto what we have now.

    If you ask me, I’d say we should really focus on what’s been called health care delivery reforms.

  187. rosettasister Says:

    MIT health economist Jon Gruber

    Gruber is, undoubtedly, pro-reform.

    He’s advised the Senate Finance Committee and served as one of the architects of the Massachusetts plan.

    But he’s also one of the most-respected health economists in the country.

    Gruber runs the numbers for an average family, a 25-year-old and a 60-year-old, looking at different income levels for each, and paying close attention to the role subsidies will play.

    In each case, he finds the people likely to save money under the Senate Finance Committee’s plan.

    His analysis is based on Congressional Budget Office data.

    Is his analysis correct and the insurance industry’s analysis wrong? Hard to say.

    Neither group has their model out in the open, and neither group is taking a comprehensive look at the bill’s many parts (in particular, the money-saving delivery-system reforms are totally excluded).

    Gruber’s numbers are free from any glaring deficiencies.

    (Mr. Klein maintains the Insurance Industry’s Report is “deceptive.” I don’t know, PricewaterhouseCoopers (PWC) has their reputation at stake.)

  188. rosettasister Says:

    Promises, Promises | 10:38 a.m. Mr. Hatch disputes several promises made by President Obama on health care coverage in the overall proposals. The Utah senator asserts that benefits for senior citizens will be reduced, especially for those with low incomes or who live in rural areas. He says there will be new taxes, for everything from drugs to medical devices. Premiums will “skyrocket” under this plan, he says.

    What’s Not in the Bill | 10:41 a.m. Mr. Conrad, one of the fiscal conservatives on the Democratic side, is lauding the bill as fiscally responsible, repeating much of the findings of the Congressional Budget Office. It cuts the deficit, for example, and it creates non-profit cooperatives, an idea he championed, There is no government-run health care, no Medicare cuts in benefits, no “rumored death panels” and no expansion of federal financing for abortion.

    The One to Watch | 10:47 a.m. Senator Olympia Snowe begins her opening statements, still giving no hint of where she is coming from. She uses her time to ask Douglas Elmendort, director of the Congressional Budget Office, how the committee can make sure the draft language of the bill is consistent with the findings of the budget office. This question is rather arcane and, alas, unrevealing as to her leanings on the bill.

  189. jrinNC Says:

    Way to go TEN – who is that Tebedo guy???

  190. jrinNC Says:

    Energy crisis is postponed as new gas rescues the world

    The World Gas Conference in Buenos Aires last week was one of those events that shatter assumptions. Advances in technology for extracting gas from shale and methane beds have quickened dramatically, altering the global balance of energy faster than almost anybody expected.

  191. rosettasister Says:

    The dueling analyses of future health care premiums

    A PWC report commissioned by the health insurance industry says that premiums will skyrocket. Meanwhile, Jonathan Gruber of MIT says no, they’ll plummet! Ezra Klein says it’s hard to say who’s right.

    Jonathan Gruber is a very smart economist. PWC is a pretty good accounting firm. But the problem is indeterminate. Premiums for your average individual plan under the exchanges probably won’t be $3,000 or $20,000. Beyond that, who knows?

    (Who knows? That is hardly comforting.)

    See also:

    The six New England states had some of the most expensive insurance premiums in the country last year, the study found.

    *** Massachusetts’ family health insurance premiums were the most expensive nationally at $13,788, up 40 percent since 2003. ***

    New Hampshire ranked fourth highest, followed by Connecticut at sixth highest, Maine at 10th highest and Vermont at 11th highest.

  192. Troy Says:

  193. jrinNC Says:

    Dollar facing ‘power-shift’: analysts

    “And finally, as long as the US economy is not strong enough for any rise in interest rates to be conceivable for a long time, the dollar’s underlying downtrend will remain in place,” added Juckes.
    It never ceases to amaze me how the whole world knows the US is in trouble, but yet we are being led down the primrose path by our own Govt.

  194. Troy Says:

    Chicago Cubs Declare Bankruptcy

    The Chicago Cubs baseball club has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection as part of moves to sell it.

    The Cubs are owned by media group Tribune, which also owns the Chicago Tribune and the Los Angeles Times.

    Tribune declared bankruptcy in December and is now trying to sell the Cubs to the billionaire Ricketts family.

    The Cubs’ bankruptcy filing is intended to make sure that the club’s new owners are not liable for claims from creditors of Tribune.

    It is the first time that a Major League Baseball club has declared bankruptcy since the Baltimore Orioles in 1993.

    Title drought

    The only other time it has happened was when the owner of the Seattle Pilots declared bankruptcy after the 1969 season. The team was sold and moved to Milwaukee, where it became the Brewers.. continue

  195. Troy Says:

    Plaintiff in Kerchner v Obama: Courts must hear eligibility arguments – cites Marshall opinion that to refuse is treason
    by Robert Unruh

    A plaintiff in one of the cases challenging Barack Obama’s eligibility to be president says federal courts must hear the challenges, because to do otherwise would be treason.

    The claim comes from Charles F. Kerchner Jr., a lead plaintiff in the Kerchner vs. Obama & Congress lawsuit handled by attorney Mario Apuzzo.

    Apuzzo filed suit in January on behalf of Kerchner, Lowell T. Patterson, Darrell James Lenormand and Donald H. Nelson Jr. Named as defendants are Barack Hussein Obama II, the U.S., Congress, the Senate, House of Representatives and former Vice President Dick Cheney along with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

    The case focuses on the alleged failure of Congress to follow the Constitution. That document, the lawsuit states, “provides that Congress must fully qualify the candidate ‘elected’ by the Electoral College Electors.”

    The Constitution provides, the lawsuit says, “If the president-elect shall have failed to qualify, then the vice president elect shall act as president until a president shall have qualified.”

    “There existed significant public doubt and grievances from plaintiffs and other concerned Americans regarding Obama’s eligibility to be president and defendants had the sworn duty to protect and preserve the Constitution and specifically under the 20th Amendment, Section 3, a Constitutional obligation to confirm whether Obama, once the electors elected him, was qualified,” the case explained.

    “Congress is the elected representative of the American people and the people speak and act through them,” the lawsuit said.

    The defendants “violated” the 20th Amendment by failing to assure that Obama meets the eligibility requirements, the lawsuit said.

    Now on the attorney’s blog, Kerchner has written, “The federal courts and judges are committing treason to the Constitution by not taking jurisdiction and getting to the merits in the various cases before them regarding the Article II eligibility clause question for Obama.”

    He said his basis for such a statement is the opinion of U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice John Marshall, who wrote in an 1821 case, Cohens vs. Virginia:

    “It is most true that this court will not take jurisdiction if it should not: but it is equally true, that it must take jurisdiction if it should. The judiciary cannot, as the legislature may, avoid a measure because it approaches the confines of the constitution. We cannot pass it by because it is doubtful. With whatever doubts, with whatever difficulties, a case may be attended, we must decide it, if it be brought before us. We have no more right to decline the exercise of jurisdiction which is given, than to usurp that which is not given. The one or the other would be treason to the constitution. Questions may occur which we would gladly avoid; but we cannot avoid them. All we can do is, to exercise our best judgment, and conscientiously to perform our duty. In doing this, on the present occasion, we find this tribunal invested with appellate jurisdiction in all cases arising under the constitution and laws of the United States. We find no exception to this grant, and we cannot insert one.”

  196. rosettasister Says:

    Effects on Health Expenses | 10:51 a.m. Under questioning from Senator Jeff Bingaman, Democrat of New Mexico,

    Mr. Elmendorf of the budget office acknowledges that his analysis does not evaluate the effect of the bill on national health expenditures.

    The experts find conflicting effects, with some expenditures going up and some going down.

    “We have simply not done the analysis to net those out,” Mr. Elmendorf says.

    (And the committee is voting today WITHOUT the analysis!)

    Scoring the Bill | 11:02 a.m. Senator Jon Kyl, Republican of Arizona, says some technical aspects of the bill have been changed by the staff that the committee has not voted on.

    *** He says the estimated cost of the bill was incorrect, because it was not indexed for inflation. ***

    Mr. Baucus tries to straighten the matter out with Mr. Elmendorf.

    Indexing Debate | 11:06 a.m. Mr. Baucus concludes that changes made by staff were essentially clarifications done in good faith.

    But Senator Kyl is insistent.

    *** He says the language of the mark does not include indexing and indexing will have profound implications on various aspects of the bill, such as the fines that people will have to pay if they don’t have insurance. ***

    “Which policy is it that we want?” Mr. Kyl asks.

    There is no immediate answer to this question.

  197. Troy Says:

    Deputy Attorney General of the State of Hawaii, Jill T. Nagamine, Questioned by The Post & Email

    by John Charlton

    (Oct. 13, 2009) — The Deputy Attorney General of the State of Hawaii, Jill T. Nagamine, remains silent in the face of questions put to her by The Post & Email, following its publishing of her letter to a concerned citizen, in which she denied the existence of previous opinions mentioning “natural born citizen” or policies regarding how citizenship status is determined by the HI Attorney General’s office.

    The Post & Email as of Friday October 9, 5:30 PM, Hawaii Time, sent the following letter: CONTINUED.

  198. rosettasister Says:

    Thank you for the updates, guys and gals!

    I hope you are well today!

  199. rosettasister Says:

    Where’s the Proof? | 11:12 a.m. Senator Jim Bunning, Republican of Kentucky, smacks the bill, saying it “adds insult to injury” by forcing people to pay a penalty tax if they don’t get insurance.

    The bill spends more and taxes more without covering more people, and it’s not transparent about the true costs of the bill.

    What’s the big rush, he says, to pass something that won’t be fully put in place for several more years.

  200. Troy Says:

  201. rosettasister Says:

    Schumer drawing blood in D.C. health insurance flap

    The nation’s top health insurance lobbying group, America’s Health Insurance Plans (AHIP) blasted the Senate Finance Committee’s health overhaul legislation to be voted on tomorrow, issuing a study charging the bill will actually make health insurance premiums go higher, rather than lower, than expected.

    Partly to blame, the study said, are two amendments that Sen. Charles Schumer added to the legislation — one exempting 2 million people from being required to buy health insurance, and another that weakened and phased in penalties for those who do have to buy it.

    Among the reasons for this startling finding, the study cites “weak individual coverage requirement” and “allowing more individuals to ‘opt out’ of coverage” — the Schumer amendments adopted by the committee on Oct. 1.

    The study caught many by surprise. The White House acted with dismay and anger, AARP dismissed the study as “worthless” and the spokesman for the Democratic majority on the Senate Finance Committee called it a “hatchet job.”

    So far, Schumer has held fire, making no comments and issuing no statements.

    (“allowing more individuals to ‘opt out’ of coverage” – this is not the same as Schumer’s state opt-out)

    (BTW every time you hear a pundit on the right say we’re spending all this money and still leaving 25 million uninsured, that is rather disingenuous. Because I’m pretty sure that number includes illegals. Both Dems and Repubs say illegals won’t receive subsidies. I don’t like it when either side misleads us.)

  202. Fernley Girl Says:

    *** Massachusetts’ family health insurance premiums were the most expensive nationally at $13,788, up 40 percent since 2003. ***


    I don’t know about all of you, but if my health premiums are going to look like Massachusett’s I’ll become an ex-pat. That’s more money than I’ve ever paid for a year’s worth of mortgage payments, one third of my daughter’s annual wages. Aside from annual physicals I’ve spent less than $800 in the last 7 years for healtcare expenses. (HSA, large deductible).

  203. patriotamy Says:

    patriotamy Says:
    October 13, 2009 at 12:56 pm
    Got this link in an email this morning. All I can say is WOW !!
    put the wrong link in :blush:

    If you visit this link, hover your mouse over the individuals.

  204. rosettasister Says:

    I don’t know about all of you, but if my health premiums are going to look like Massachusett’s I’ll become an ex-pat.


    Senator Frist, who favors HCR (although I think that depends on Reid’s final Senate bill) has expressed concern over the unintended consequences of RomneyCare.

  205. Troy Says:

    Agenda 21: The Death Knell of Liberty

  206. rosettasister Says:

    That Insurance Report | 11:26 a.m. The White House blog issues another critique of the report by AHIP, putting up a set of points to dispute the insurance industry’s contentions as this debate continues in Congress.

    Earlier, The Times’ Robert Pear wrote about the report, which contends that congressional health care legislation would drive up premiums, not lower costs.

  207. rosettasister Says:

    Ensign Blasts Taxes in Bill | 11:31 a.m. Senator John Ensign, Republican of Nevada, says most people under this bill would be losers. The Republicans are all trying to undermine the idea that people who are happy with their insurance will be able to keep it and are sending warning signals to seniors. As Mr. Ensign put it: “This bill cuts Medicare by $449 billion for seniors to pay for a new entitlement program even though Medicare will go bankrupt” in a decade.

    Mr. Ensign adds: “There are seven brand new taxes in this bill. This is just the beginning. before the final bill is completed, You can be sure that more taxes will be added. He then mentioned those on small businesses and a new windfall profits tax on insurance companies that he contended would end up raising premiums.

    Mr. Ensign says he is afraid there will be more “unpleasant surprises” revealed later in this bill.

  208. rosettasister Says:

    A Hatch Tweet | 11:37 a.m. Senator Orrin Hatch, (@orrinhatch), put up on Twitter just a short while ago: “I will be voting against the Finance Committee health care bill today. #tcot #utpol.”

  209. rosettasister Says:

    No New Choices? | 11:40 a.m. Senator Ron Wyden, Democrat of Oregon, who has been agitating to give consumers more choices, asks Mr. Elmendorf if he is correct in deducing that more than 90 percent of people still would not have new choices in the health exchanges.

    Yes, Mr. Elmendorf says.

    Uninsured Numbers | 11:43 a.m. Mr. Wyden continues, asking about affordability. “It looks like a lot of middle class families will seek an exemption on those costs and be uninsured,” Mr. Wyden says.

    “How many families will seek an exemption and be uninsured because they can’t afford the coverage?

    Mr. Elmendorf said “a significant number of people” would be uninsured.

    (Don’t know if Elmendorf is including illegals here.)

  210. rosettasister Says:

    G.D.P. Effect | 11:59 a.m. Under questioning from Senator John Cornyn, Republican of Texas, Mr. Elmendorf acknowledges that the budget office has not determined what effect the bill would have on the percentage of spending for health care on the G.D.P.

    Transparency | 12:04 p.m. Where’s the most up-to-date language for the bill? Senator Cornyn pushes for it to be made public; Senator Baucus acknowledges that when the panel votes today on the bill, it will be voting on the “conceptual” language.

    The latest version, which still isn’t altogether in legislative form.

  211. rosettasister Says:

    Divining Lincoln’s Leanings | 12:15 p.m. Senator Blanche Lincoln, Democrat of Arkansas who faces a potentially tough reelection, has held her cards somewhat close to the vest during development of this bill.

    *** She’s describing the many problems with the current health-care system and appears to be laying the groundwork for saying she will support the bill. ***

    (Vote the bill out of committee, yes. But that doesn’t mean she’ll vote for cloture or for any final bill.)

  212. rosettasister Says:

    Warning Shots | 12:21 p.m. Senator Lincoln, the chairwoman of the Finance subcommittee on Social Security, cautions that her support today does not ensure her support for future versions of the health care legislation.

    Her central questions will be whether the bills increase the deficit, promote choice and competition and protect senior citizens.

    She said that seniors are “alarmed about big bills that are difficult for them to understand.”

  213. rosettasister Says:

    Senate Finance Committee now on C-SPAN3

  214. rosettasister Says:

    I found this headline amusing:

    “Did Schumer Cause The AHIP Freak Out?”

    (That Sneaky Bastard!)

  215. rosettasister Says:

    Get Nasty or Go Home

    The go-light strategy in Afghanistan is a joke. If Obama’s serious about victory, it’s time to start making unpleasant choices.

  216. rosettasister Says:

    Too Little Time | 12:42 p.m. Senator Hatch refers to the controversial report paid for by the insurance industry, saying that no one wants health insurance premiums to rise dramatically.

    Questioning Mr. Elmendorf, he establishes — again — that the budget office has not done a premium-impact analysis on this bill and that if the budget office had more time, it could do one.

    “One of the gripes we have on this side is that we’ve just been ramming this through,” says Mr. Hatch, the Republican from Utah.

    (“the budget office has not done a premium-impact analysis on this bill” – are you f*cking kidding me?!)

  217. rosettasister Says:

    Update | 12:48 p.m. Senator Conrad says the health providers of North Dakota believe a public insurance option would threaten the viability of institutions, like hospitals, and would make it difficult to attract doctors to a rural state like his.

    Snowe Returns | 12:51 p.m. Senator Snowe is up. The committee has gone further than ever before, she says, in trying to transform the health care system, and she has kind words for the panel. One in four Americans are uninsured or underinsured, she says, and the status quo approach means “we have a problem that is growing worse, not better.” Which way is she heading?

  218. rosettasister Says:

    Snowe Returns

    But now she raises some concerns. People are afraid of what reform will mean, she says, and whether this is the right time to undertake such a big overhaul, given the bad economy.

    She says this bill needs more time. (Amen!)

    The best way to allay people’s concerns is to systematically review them, she says.

  219. rosettasister Says:

    Snowe Will Vote Yes | 12:56 p.m. Senator Snowe has just indicated that she will support the Finance Committee bill, although she withholds support for future itirerations of the legislation.

    She cited the positives, mentioning insurance exchanges, and the negatives, like affordability. We need to absolutely ensure that all Americans have access to plans that are absolutely affordable. She’s concerned about Medicare expansion.

    Here is her conclusion: “Is this bill all that I would want? Far from it. But when history calls, history calls and I happen to think that the consequences of inaction dictate the urgency of Congress to demonstrate its capacity to solve the monumental issues of our time.”

  220. rosettasister Says:

    So the final vote out of committe will probably be 14 – 9?

    How’s that trigger looking now?

  221. rosettasister Says:

    So Senator Snowe takes the leap, becoming almost certainly the only Republican, at least on this committee, to support the Democratic bill.

    But she cautions:

    “My vote today is my vote today, it doesn’t forecast what my vote would be tomorrow.”

    She quoted Longfellow, a fellow Mainer, saying that great is the art of the beginning, but greater is the art of the ending.

    (And “the ending” needs 60 votes in the Senate.)

  222. rosettasister Says:

    Video: Matthews muses on killing Rush Limbaugh

  223. rosettasister Says:


    Sounds to me like the liberal media has started passing Fatwas on the infidels.

    jhffmn on October 13, 2009 at 1:12 PM

  224. rosettasister Says:

    Nelson and Bayh support state opt-out or opt-in?

    Sen. Ben Nelson and Evan Bayh are beginning to talk about compromises on the public option.

    One proposal attracting considerable attention originated with Sen. Thomas R. Carper (D-Del.) and would allow states to decide whether to create their own insurance plans or join forces to provide coverage in collaboration with neighboring states. Other Democrats want to take the state-based approach a step further, creating a national public plan that states could join. Carper, a moderate, said he is not sure he is prepared to go that far. “I’m just chewing on that one,” he said.

    Sen. Evan Bayh (Ind.), a moderate Democrat, was bullish on Carper’s approach.

    “I think something like that is likely, and would probably pass muster with moderates,” he said.

    Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.), who opposes a public option, said he likes Carper’s idea.

    “I think the states, as laboratories of democracy, probably can find ways to deal with this, and if they do make a mistake it’s a smaller mistake to correct than at the federal level,” Nelson said.

    This suggests two things, both of them cheering:

    The most conservative of the Democratic centrists are not going to draw a hard line against the public option, and they’re actually negotiating toward support for the bill.

    There’s going to be a lot of Senate pressure for a full public option, and a lot of House pressure for a full public option, and

    *** the moderates aren’t planted so far to the other side of the issue that a compromise is inconceivable. ***

    (Even with Nelson and Bayh, that still doesn’t get you to 60.)

    (BTW, notice both of these senators are talking about Carper’s opt-in and NOT Schumer’s opt-out. And I think Carper’s compromise has a trigger. Not sure.)

  225. CJ Says:

    Only someone like Olympia would think she is improtant enough to make history. How about really making history and listening to the people for a change

    tort reform
    fixing medicaid and medicare frauds and costs
    regulate insurance companies fairly
    provide for those who are sick, old or totally disabled
    no one who is not a legal American gets coverage
    no govt funding for abortion
    health insurance rules and regs that include EVERYBODY aka Congress and Federal workers and Unions

    This has all been proposed and mostly favored by we the people and discussed at town halls and tea parties.

    CAN YOU HEAR US AT ALL?????????

  226. rosettasister Says:

    So what is Tom Carper’s position on Public Option Health Care?

    A friend of mine just called up Senator Carper’s office, and inquired whether Carper (who claims that he “doesn’t oppose” the public option) would support a public option plan that was “available on day one”.

    Surprisingly, he got an actual answer: No.

    According to Carper’s office, our senator views a potential public option plan as a “fall back” plan if a Senate (presumably “bipartisan”) bill fails to reduce health insurance costs via other means.

    So no, no public option on day one.

    (Sounds like a state opt-in with a Snowe-like trigger. That would be my best guess right now.)

  227. rosettasister Says:

    There’s plenty to criticize on both sides of this debate. But my criticism of Repubs and talking heads on the right goes something like this.

    Except for Olympia Snowe, I don’t see any other Repub bringing anything to the table.

    Lord knows there’s plenty in BaucusCare to criticize, evidenced again today.

    But the Dems don’t need any Repub votes, except symbolically.

    Senator Bayh says he would support tort reform.

    So why isn’t it in the bill?

    Because Repubs say they would still vote NO.

    That is the problem in a nutshell.

    Besides Snowe, are there any other moderate Repubs who are willing to swap tort reform for a state opt-in with a trigger?

    I doubt it.

    And because of this, we might end up with a Schumer opt-out instead.

    Does this seem smart to you?

  228. rosettasister Says:

    Malpractice | 1:41 p.m. Senator Ensign is pushing action on a malpractice overhaul, something the Republicans very much want but the bill does not include. President Obama has set up a study group to address senators’ concerns about the costs of malpractice insurance, and their arguments for tort reform.

  229. rosettasister Says:


  230. rosettasister Says:

    To: pissant

    How about an Indonesian school record indicating place of birth?

    323 posted on Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:23:47 AM by kukaniloko

    To: kukaniloko

    It’s not a certified document or legal, but if that’s all there was, we might have to go on it. Unfortunately, the balding vital records chick in HI said they have his original bc.

    327 posted on Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:27:25 AM by pissant

  231. rosettasister Says:

    To: pissant; All

    Due process demands that Judge Land remains unbiased. Anyone reading any of the judge’s order can clearly see he’s anything but biased and on an agenda. He’s also trying to affect the case in front of Judge Carter (which may be an additional reason Judge Carter will not grant Gary Kreep severance).

    “A fair trial in a fair tribunal is a basic requirement of due process. Fairness of course requires an absence of actual bias in the trial of cases.” Murchison, 349 U.S. 133, 136, 75 S.Ct. 623, 99 L.Ed. 942 (1955).

    A judge can and should be disqualified for “bias, a likelihood of bias, or an appearance of bias.” Ungar v. Sarafite, 376 U.S. 575, 588, 84 S.Ct. 841, 11 L.Ed.2d 921 (1964)

    343 posted on Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:39:35 AM by BP2

    To: BP2

    After reading his original decision, full of derision, I’m perfectly happy with taitz telling him to shove it up his piehole.

    355 posted on Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:47:29 AM by pissant

  232. rosettasister Says:

    To: kukaniloko

    Yeah, but that document only counts as proof of adoption, not proof of birthplace.

    However when the school registration form is coupled with Obama’s Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth and the statement verifying it issued by the Director of the Hawaii Department of Health, it is corroboration along with two birth announcements for Barack Hussein Obama which appeared in the Sunday, August 13, 1961 editions of the Honolulu Advertiser and the Honolulu Star-Bulliten newspapers. Both of those papers have confirmed that they have always gotten their birth announcements directly from the Bureau of Vital Records and not from parents or relatives.

    “I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen.
    I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago…”

    358 posted on Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:51:46 AM by jamese777

    To: jamese777

    “coupled with Obama’s Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth and the statement verifying it issued by the Director of the Hawaii Department of Health”

    You would have a hard time shoving more BS into a sentence if you tried.

    361 posted on Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:53:24 AM by pissant

  233. igaveup Says:

    rosettasister Says:
    October 13, 2009 at 5:15 pm

    Video: Matthews muses on killing Rush Limbaugh

    **I watched this courtesy of your link and I couldn’t believe what I was hearing. Wasn’t Chrissy yelling that because of the hate talk, if something happened to Obama, conservatives were to blame?

    Second, didn’t Chrissy use to sub for Rush in the early days on the radio?

    Third, What a pompous arse.

  234. rosettasister Says:

    Here’s an oldie but a goodie:

    Cristi Adkins Explains What Transpired Just Prior to Chris Matthews MSNBC Interview With Video and Audio

    I believe Matthews would fall under that “sick puppy” category we spoke of earlier. It’s just gotta be a real let down to look around at the reality we find ourselves in when they had such high hopes for ObamaLand.

  235. rosettasister Says:

    More from pissant

    In your make believe world he does. Outside your fairy tale, no one has a clue if he’s actually a NBC or not.

    What proof has he presented? And to whom did he present it?

    As shown here time and again, the COLB is proof of nothing. Especially a forged one.

    I’m not convinced he’s not an NBC. I am, however, fully convinced beyond any shadow of a doubt that he has not shown himself to be such. And in order to occupy the office he is holding, he must be an NBC.

    Just start with the word “certificate” and go from there.

    Go read the long threads and learn something.

    More here:;tab=comments

  236. igaveup Says:

    All, bottom line for me on the health care, and I will preface this by saying since my divorce 3 years ago, in which I was a stay-at-home mom for 20 years (4 kids), I have NOT HAD INSURANCE. The few visits I have been forced to go to the Dr. and a Surgeon, I had to come up with the cash. I have a couple college degrees but since I stayed at home, the education earned a long time ago, are not helpful.

    In my opinion, the economy is much, much sicker (I have been laid off for over a year in a high unemployment state and no luck with a job, and my time at home and volunteering doesn’t count for squat with employers) sorry, I digress, but the economy IMHO is much more important now than healthcare, and they have screwed with the economy, not using sound economic principles. so here is my question:

    The million dollar question. What the heck is their hurry? Why now? Why so fast with the healthcare? The only thing I can think of is that they just want to ram as much “CHANGE (SOCIALIST) as they can down our throats before the masses rise up in such a roar that they are finished, and hopefully (for them) the country is tilting so far left it’s sinking under the weight.

    I believe that Repubs, Dems, Socialists and Communists alike, that are pushing this crap, already have “theirs” (power and money) and to hell with the rest of us. After being literally financially destroyed by my ex-husband, I am at my age, trying to pull myself up and I am competing with people half my age for jobs. I’ve decided to stop placing the year I graduated from college on my apps. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that I didn’t graduate college at age 10.

    Why so fast and now, while the economy is a mess? It doesn’t make any economic sense to mess with healthcare until the economy can handle it and people are working.

    That’s my rant for today. Thank goodness for this site.

    This is my question

  237. rosettasister Says:

    Great pic here:

    Geri Cavaretta of Madisonville, La., listens to the National Anthem before watching the USS New York sail down the Mississippi River in New Orleans, Tuesday, Oct. 13, 2009. The ship was built with about eight tons of steel from the World Trade Center site and is on its way to New York, its home port.

  238. igaveup Says:

    rosettasister Says:
    October 13, 2009 at 7:17 pm

    More from pissant

    **I don’t know how long pissant has been posting at FR. I’ve been posting since 2000 and lurking before that.

    I have to tell you that everytime I see his/her screen name, I laugh like I’m nuts. To me (don’t know why), seeing the name sets me off.

    Thanks for the laugh. 😉

  239. igaveup Says:

    I just had to provide my child’s original, certified, birth certificate (the kind with details, not just a name, parents name and state) so she can compete in a sport. When I was asked for the birth certificate, I told them that I had posted a copy without detail, on line and was that good enough.

    Didn’t get the joke, and NO THEY WANTED TO SEE THE ORIGINAL.

  240. rosettasister Says:

    Why so fast and now, while the economy is a mess? It doesn’t make any economic sense to mess with healthcare until the economy can handle it and people are working.

    That’s my rant for today. Thank goodness for this site.

    This is my question


    And a very good question. Very much along the lines of what Senator Lieberman is asking.

    Seems to me we are trying to fix a system that is broken.

    What we need is a new system.

    It is unfortunate that Obama dismissed Wyden-Bennett as being too radical.

    If only he were as smart as his supporters think him to be.

    igaveup, I know how the senators and reps who vote yes on the final bill will answer your question.

    They will say there is no more time for waiting. They will say as bad as the economy is today, it will be worse tomorrow if we don’t enact this law right now.

    They will say this and more.

    But they won’t be sure.

  241. Troy Says:

    Why so fast and now, while the economy is a mess?
    This is my question
    You already answered your own question.

    The reason is to give the public a big fat train wreck to gaze upon so that they won’t look up at the jumbo jet (economy) with all four engines on fire as it spirals toward earth.

  242. jrinNC Says:

    Health Care Reform Bill Clears Final Senate Panel, Tough Negotiations Loom

    Snowe’s constituents need to tell her – BYE BYE

  243. Troy Says:

    Mob Rule: Celente – People Should Brace For ‘Greatest Depression’ — 2012 Forecast
    by DefendUSx October 13, 2009 12:27

    A trends forecaster says the current economic “rebound” from last winter’s Wall Street collapse of banks, insurance companies and automobile manufacturers is an artificial blip created by ‘phantom money printed out of thin air backed by nothing.”

    And Gerald Celente of, says people right now should be bracing for “the greatest recession” which will hit worldwide and will mark the “decline of empire America.” Crop failures could be among the minor concerns.

    “Here we are in 2012. Food riots, tax protests, farmer rebellions, student revolts, squatter diggins, homeless uprisings, tent cities, ghost malls, general strikes, bossnappings, kidnappings, industrial saboteurs, gang warfare, mob rule, terror,” he writes for a quarterly publication that is available through subscription on his website.

    He also talked about his forecasts with Greg Corombos of Radio America/WND in an interview that has been posted online.


  244. Troy Says:

    Obama’s Communist Gun-Free America Plan
    by DefendUSx October 13, 2009 12:30

    Dear Concerned American,

    The great pay-back has begun, and it’s going to be ugly.

    The gun grabbers in Congress are paying back the anti-gun extremists who put them and Barack Obama in office.

    Hi, this is Congressman Paul Broun from Georgia. I wish I had better news, but you and I are facing an assault on our gun rights like we’ve never seen before.

    You see, H.R. 45 is Barack Obama’s gun control package, and it includes the most vile anti-gun measures he’s supported over the years.

    It’s only the first step…


  245. jrinNC Says:

    Palestinians: Hopes in Obama ‘Evaporated’

    JERUSALEM — The Palestinian president’s political party says all hopes in the Obama administration have “evaporated,” accusing the White House of caving in to pressure from the pro-Israel lobby and backing off a demand to freeze Jewish settlement.,2933,565161,00.html

  246. jrinNC Says:

    FOX Breaking News Judge Orders Runaway Christian Teen Who Feared Muslim Parents to Return to Ohio

  247. Troy Says:

  248. Troy Says:

    by John Charlton

    (Oct. 13, 2009) — The Post & Email has just received this personal reaction, to Land’s Sanction Order, from Mr. Charles E. Lincoln III, Dr. Taitz’s assistant:

    I would point out that in Cohens v. Virginia, decided by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1821, Chief Justice Marshall wrote that for a court to refuse to exercise its jurisdiction was “treason” to the constitution.

    Judge Land has built his entire assault against Orly’s integrity based on the doctrine of abstention—that he has jurisdiction which he should ignore. The 11th Circuit Mindes case from 1971 specifically found constitutional questions regarding the military and the application of its rules were subject to Judicial challenge, yet Judge Land ignores the substance of the very precedent he cites.

    Judge Land issued a 43 page order condemning Orly, for among other things, utilizing the Courts for political purposes, and yet he proposes to use the $20,000.00 he expects to obtain from Orly for what can only be called a political contribution to advance certain political positions and philosophical assertions within the army.

    Judge Land is clearly utilizing his power under Rule 11 to attempt to sanction Orly for legitimate exercise of her First Amendment Right to Petition, and that of her clients. Post-judgment motions and an appeal will be filed—your readers can rest assured of that. Orly is exploring the possibility of a direct appeal or request for stay of judgment to the U.S. Supreme Court. Needless to say, Judge Land’s abuse of his position just makes Orly more determined, angrier than ever.

    Orly does feel that this is further evidence that the U.S. Judiciary is subject to political pressures analogous to her “memories of life in the former Soviet Union”, and those are her words because I have no such memories.

  249. Tenacity Says:

    thanks for all the kudos. However, the fat lady hasn’t sung yet. The mail-in ballots still have to be accounted for.

    Now…regarding global warming and Katies frozen derriere…I’m not touching either one of those in the same sentence. Besides, Katie’s stud would heat things up in a hurry.

    jr, Kevin Tebedo is a good friend, as is Gary Coats. Both of these guys have been in the liberty battle for many years. They have strong family heritage in the state of Colorado. Both are knowledgeable, articulate and clearly understand what is at risk. It would be a great privilege to stand with these 2 great patriots in this battle. I will also add that Dr. Eugene Schroder is a phenominal patriot as well. If I were to get bumped with the mail-in votes, Schroder is a legend. His nomination came in late making him a write-in candidate. He is one old soldier in this war. He has been a real political force in Colorado during the ’90s. He is scheduled to be one of our guests Thursday night on Let’s Talk Liberty. There is a lot to be learned from Schroder. If Schroder had been on the ballot, he would have for sure been more competitive. I am fortunate to have some margin on him at the moment. If by chance I get bumped, I would pray that Schroder get the nod. Check this out:

  250. igaveup Says:

    Troy and Rose,

    I know you’re right. It’s all distraction. When I was married and I had some money. We had money for the necessities, but did make a sacrifice financially so our kids had a parent at home, I used to have a couple months stash of canned and dried staples: tuna, canned veggies, beans, rice, powdered milk, bottled water, etc.

    I just wish I could do it now. I only have enough for my kids for a couple weeks, that’s it. Can’t pay for any more and not one extra penny for a “rainy day”.

    I love my country. I wonder why many of the dumba$$es in Congress, the Agitator-in-Chief and so many Americans don’t and want to destroy her.

    May God help us all.

  251. jrinNC Says:

    Thanks Ten – Glad to know they are definitely good guys. I am not so sure about the ones running in NC except maybe Jeff Lewis, while this Bernard Carman may be OK – I am sorry to say I am judging the book by its cover and as I hate to say this he looks too red-neck – not my idea of a leader for this movement. Forgive me if I am wrong.

  252. jrinNC Says:

    Judge Rules Christian Convert Teen Must Go Back Home,2933,565560,00.html

    The only thing I have to say about this is if something happens to this girl I hope this judge is held accountable.

  253. Fernley Girl Says:

    igave up said:
    Why so fast and now, while the economy is a mess? It doesn’t make any economic sense to mess with healthcare until the economy can handle it and people are working.
    The taxes start NOW, the program in 3 or 4 years. Just another robbery in progress. I keep wondering how long it will take before the Bastille is stormed.

  254. jrinNC Says:

    Clinton, Lavrov agree to delay sanctions against Iran


    So does this mean Israel may attack Iran if no sanctions are in place by Christmas??????????????????

    “According to Former Israeli Deputy Defense Minister Ephraim Sneh stated in an interview with the UK’s Sunday Times that if sanctions against Iran are not in place by Christmas, Israel may attack Iran on its own. “If no crippling sanctions are introduced by Christmas, Israel will strike,” he said. “If we are left alone, we will act alone.”

  255. jrinNC Says:

    Bank Failures in Brief

  256. jrinNC Says:

    Preparing for Service in the Rebuilt Temple

    Jews in the town of Mitzpe Yericho are taking practical steps to prepare for the rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem, by preparing descendents of Cohanim (priests) and Levites for service.

    For those who know the significance of the Temple being rebuilt.

  257. Troy Says:

    For those who know the significance of the Temple being rebuilt.
    Final step before the seven years of anti-christ reign.

  258. jrinNC Says:

    You got it, without the Temple the desolation can’t take place.

  259. jrinNC Says:

    Urgent lawsuit filed against FDA to halt swine flu vaccines; claims FDA violated federal law

    Health freedom attorney Jim Turner is filing a lawsuit in Washington D.C. mid-day Friday in an urgent effort to halt the distribution of the swine flu vaccine in America. On behalf of plaintiffs Dr. Gary Null and other licensed health care workers of New York State, the lawsuit charges that the FDA violated the law in its hasty approval of four swine flu vaccines by failing to scientifically determine neither the safety nor efficacy of the vaccines.

    “The suit will seek an injunction against the FDA from approving the vaccine,” attorney Jim Turner told NaturalNews on Thursday evening’s Natural News Talk Hour show. “And the core of the argument is that they have not done the proper safety and efficacy tests on the vaccine to allow it to be release at this time.”

    The suit seeks to not only nullify the FDA’s unlawful “approval” of the four H1N1 influenza vaccines, but to also ask the court to issue an injunction that would halt any mandatory vaccination requirements.

    “The FDA is required by law to establish that a vaccine is safe and effective before it can be given to the public,” said Turner. “We are arguing that they did not establish that the vaccine was effective, and did not establish that it was safe. They are trying to get it on the market by a waiver.”

  260. jrinNC Says:

    I just posted something and it is not here – not in moderation, but says it is a duplicate post

  261. jrinNC Says:

    Well I tried it a different way:

    Urgent lawsuit filed against FDA to halt swine flu vaccines; claims FDA violated federal law

    Health freedom attorney Jim Turner is filing a lawsuit in Washington D.C. mid-day Friday in an urgent effort to halt the distribution of the swine flu vaccine in America. On behalf of plaintiffs Dr. Gary Null and other licensed health care workers of New York State, the lawsuit charges that the FDA violated the law in its hasty approval of four swine flu vaccines by failing to scientifically determine neither the safety nor efficacy of the vaccines.

    “The suit will seek an injunction against the FDA from approving the vaccine,” attorney Jim Turner told NaturalNews on Thursday evening’s Natural News Talk Hour show. “And the core of the argument is that they have not done the proper safety and efficacy tests on the vaccine to allow it to be release at this time.”

    The suit seeks to not only nullify the FDA’s unlawful “approval” of the four H1N1 influenza vaccines, but to also ask the court to issue an injunction that would halt any mandatory vaccination requirements.

    “The FDA is required by law to establish that a vaccine is safe and effective before it can be given to the public,” said Turner. “We are arguing that they did not establish that the vaccine was effective, and did not establish that it was safe. They are trying to get it on the market by a waiver.”

  262. Troy Says:

    DOLLAR OFFICIALLY DEAD: No longer the global reserve currency! Did Bilderberg group succeed spending 9 Trillion$ through US Federal Reserve and Obama administration in 9 months?
    by DefendUSx October 13, 2009 17:01

    From .. clueless liberal spin .. unaware of who really caused the dollar to fail on purpose

    Ben Bernanke’s dollar crisis went into a wider mode yesterday as the greenback was shockingly upstaged by the euro and yen, both of which can lay claim to the world title as the currency favored by central banks as their reserve currency.

    Over the last three months, banks put 63 percent of their new cash into euros and yen — not the greenbacks — a nearly complete reversal of the dollar’s onetime dominance for reserves, according to Barclays Capital. The dollar’s share of new cash in the central banks was down to 37 percent — compared with two-thirds a decade ago.

    Fed boss Ben Bernanke may be forced to raise rates in order to restore faith in the dollar — and help bring the euro and the yen back to earth.

    Currently, dollars account for about 62 percent of the currency reserve at central banks — the lowest on record, said the International Monetary Fund.

    Bernanke could go down in economic history as the man who killed the greenback on the operating table.

    After printing up trillions of new dollars and new bonds to stimulate the US economy, the Federal Reserve chief is now boxed into a corner battling two separate monsters that could devour the economy — ravenous inflation on one hand, and a perilous recession on the other.

    “He’s in a crisis worse than the meltdown ever was,” said Peter Schiff, president of Euro Pacific Capital. “I fear that he could be the Fed chairman who brought down the whole thing.”

    Investors and central banks are snubbing dollars because the greenback is kept too weak by zero interest rates and a flood of greenbacks in the global economy.

    They grumble that they’ve loaned the US record amounts to cover its mounting debt, but are getting paid back by a currency that’s worth 10 percent less in the past three months alone. In a decade, it’s down nearly one-third.

    Yesterday, the dollar had a mixed performance, falling slightly against the British pound to $1.5801 from $1.5846 Friday, but rising against the euro to $1.4779 from $1.4709 and against the yen to 89.85 yen from 89.78.

    Economists believe the market rebellion against the dollar will spread until Bernanke starts raising interest rates from around zero to the high single digits, and pulls back the flood of currency spewed from US printing presses.

    “That’s a cure, but it’s also going to stifle any US economic growth,” said Schiff. “The economy is addicted to the cheap interest and liquidity.”

    Economists warn that a jump in rates will clobber stocks and cripple the already stalled housing market.

    “Bernanke’s other choice is to keep rates at zero, print even more money and sell more debt, but we’ll see triple-digit inflation that could collapse the economy as we know it.

    “The stimulus is what’s toxic — we’re poisoning ourselves and the global economy with it.”

  263. jrinNC Says:

    OK, did it a different way and it still did not post – ????????????????

    So let me try it one more time — if it shows up multiple times sorry.

    Urgent lawsuit filed against FDA to halt swine flu vaccines; claims FDA violated federal law


  264. jrinNC Says:

    OK here I go for the third time – if they show up – sorry for multiple posts.

    Urgent Lawsuit Filed Against FDA to halt Swine Flu Vaccines; Claims FDA Violated federal law

    w w

  265. jrinNC Says:

    OK I have tried posting something here 4 times and it is a no go. Don’t know what is going on. I have even rebooted. They have not gone into moderation so I don’t know what is going on.

    So I will post title (Urgent Lawsuit Filed Against FDA)

    In next post I will put url

  266. jrinNC Says:


  267. jrinNC Says:

    Well that didn’t work, must be something in url – so let me try this. Go to

    Then click on Federal Lawsuit filed

  268. jrinNC Says:

    State’s Sovereignty Status

  269. jrinNC Says:

    Meet Your FEMA Regional Commanders

  270. jrinNC Says:

    Obama EPA releases Bush-era global warming finding

    A controversial e-mail message buried by the Bush administration because of its conclusions on global warming surfaced Tuesday, nearly two years after it was first sent to the White House and never opened.

  271. jrinNC Says:

    Report: Congressman Wexler to resign (FL Congressman)

  272. jrinNC Says:

    House races in 2010

    With 257 of the 435 U.S. House seats, Democrats are strongly favored to retain their majority in the 2010 elections — though history points to party losses in the first midterm election of President Obama.

    OK folks we got to get busy to get em OUT.

  273. rosettasister Says:


    5 of your posts went to spam

    don’t worry about duplicates


  274. jrinNC Says:

    OK, I am through 🙂

  275. Fernley Girl Says:

    Hankie Alert!

  276. jrinNC Says:

    OK Rose, I knew something was wrong so that is why I split it and said sorry for multiple posts if they showed up.

  277. Troy Says:

    Globalist cover-up hiding Obama’s past?
    Posted: October 13, 2009
    1:00 am Eastern

    © 2009

    Barack Obama has spent (or had spent for him) between $1.8 million and $3.2 million in legal fees to keep his personal records secret. These include his birth certificate, his college records and all else that could provide more insight into his past.

    But why? Who spends that kind of money to keep their records hidden unless they have something to hide? And if someone (especially a political figure, not to mention a sitting president) is willing to go to such lengths, it is reasonable to believe he has something to hide. It is reasonable to believe that whatever it is they are hiding would be damning if revealed. What could it be that Obama is so fearful of having revealed?

    Consider the kind of power it takes to command such silence. Let’s face it – there is nothing not known that cannot be made known – Jimmy Hoffa’s resting place notwithstanding.

    Let’s first start with what it takes to keep the cacophony of silence and complicit cover-up silent and covered up.

    Discover the truth about the intimidation tactics used by today’s White House in Whistleblower magazine’s “MOB RULE: Under Obama, Chicago-style bullying and intimidation go nationwide”

    Joan Swirsky writes that Douglas Hagmann, in an interview with Dr. Laurie Roth, revealed, “The reason for the media blackout about [Obama’s] birth-certificate issue was nothing less than organized Mafia-like dire threats to members of the media, issued not only from the heads of major TV and radio stations, but also from Federal Communication Commission officials. According to Hagmann and [his investigative partner] Judi McCleod, who conducted a nine-month investigation and documented their findings scrupulously,” threats were made to fire major talk-show hosts if they mentioned Obama’s birth certificate, threats were made by FCC officials to yank broadcasting licenses, and memos were circulated by corporate TV headquarters to all on-air employees advising them not to mention the birth-certificate issue, his lawyer’s license or his college records. (“Who is behind quashing the birth-certificate issue?”; Aug. 26, 2009;

    According to Swirsky, during the interview Hagmann and McCleod alluded to e-mails and other evidence in their possession – copies of which, they said, were secreted in several locations.

    But the question that begs answering is: Why go to such lengths to keep documents away from public scrutiny? The birth-certificate issue is only a critical problem if, as many believe, it contradicts Obama’s citizenship story. And why prevent access to college records or restrict inquiry concerning his law license? It was Michelle who mysteriously had her license suspended in 1993.

    An even more pressing question is: How does a person like Obama – a nobody from nowhere – come to command such power and money so as to pull this off? Think about what it takes for a presidential candidate, and now sitting president, to have such power.

    The answer can only be that Obama is the front man for something far more sinister. One person, without the strength and backing of a cabal capable of toppling governments and affecting worldwide currencies, etc., could not even consider such an undertaking, much less pull it off.

    (Column continues below)

    Ergo, the logical conclusion must then be that behind Obama there exists a group or organization so powerful and so sinister that they are able not just to influence global policy, but to control it. I repeat for the record, Obama in and of himself cannot, by any stretch of the imagination, singularly demand that every major media outlet ignore investigating that which could potentially make Woodward and Bernstein’s investigation into President Nixon pale in comparison.

    Global domination is obviously their goal, but what in Obama’s background threatens to derail them if it were exposed? Rumors and suspicions abound pursuant to his citizenship, but if someone has enough power to silence a worldwide press and media, they would certainly have the ability to forge or recreate birth documents.

    Also, Obama didn’t go to school in a vacuum. If there were something in his college records or if he had committed a crime or whatever, other students would know it and those persons would have by now leaked same to a credible source or outlet.

    But there is one thing that wouldn’t be as accessible to public scrutiny and that is his medical records. If in his background there is evidence of emotional breakdown, susceptibility to breakdown, emotional instability or something similar and it became known, it is the one thing that could derail the objectives of the power behind him.

    I’m not an investigative journalist. I write opinion, and it is my opinion that Obama is but the tip of something much larger, and if same were to become known it would reverberate worldwide. If he isn’t, then he should make the requested records available immediately. No other president or leader – not Castro, not Chavez, not Clinton, not Khrushchev – has demanded and received the secrecy he has. No one was capable of such a feat until now.

    It is time, no matter the risk or the cost, for investigators and reporters to do their jobs. The American public has the right to know the truth about Obama.

  278. jrinNC Says:

    Fernley – need a triple hankie for that. Bless him for reminding us all.

  279. patriotamy Says:

    jrinNC Says:
    October 13, 2009 at 8:53 pm
    Judge Rules Christian Convert Teen Must Go Back Home,2933,565560,00.html

    The only thing I have to say about this is if something happens to this girl I hope this judge is held accountable.
    I agree jr – – but with the way things are going in our nation, he may not get his due justice until the final judgment.

  280. Troy Says:

    Wooo Hoooo!!!

    Lou Dobbs to Fox Business? Roger Ailes hopes so
    Posted Oct 12th 2009 2:10PM by Zac Bissonnette
    Filed under: Television

    Fox is hoping to beef up its roster of talent for its up and coming (although currently widely mocked) Fox Business Network.

    And who are they hoping to add? None other than CNN’s Lou Dobbs. According to The New York Times, citing “two people with direct knowledge of the meeting”, Mr. Dobbs met for dinner with Fox News president Roger Ailes.

    In a way, Dobbs would be a perfect fit for Fox. A long-respected financial news pundit with a decidedly right-wing bent, Dobbs has taken on an increasingly shrill and conspiratorial tone in recent years. He became the laughingstock of CNN when he absolutely refused to let the Obama birth certificate scandal die, even after any number of third-party fact checkers had dismissed it as bogus. The Southern Poverty Law Center deemed his crusade questioning Obama’s birthplace “racist” — an allegation that seemed to fit well with Dobbs’ track record of extreme right-wing sentiment on immigration issues.

    Conspiracies, lunatic ranting, and xenophobia. Yep. He’d actually be a great fit on Fox. Perhaps he and Glenn Beck could co-host a show –“Live From the Kings Park Psychiatric Center” on Long Island.

  281. jrinNC Says:

    You know Troy – That is exactly what I have been afraid of. Something or someone is behind all this stuff and it is not BO himself. This is BIG – VERY BIG and it scares the H*LL out of me.

  282. jrinNC Says:

    Hurray for Lou 🙂

  283. jrinNC Says:

    I agree jr – – but with the way things are going in our nation, he may not get his due justice until the final judgment.

    Amy – that might not be as far off as we think.

  284. Fernley Girl Says:

    I need a Texan to verify this, which was posted at CW’s. Have you heard about this?

  285. Troy Says:

    I need a Texan to verify this, which was posted at CW’s. Have you heard about this?
    That is the first time that I have heard of this…Tenacity has another friend in Texas that I’m sure will know more about this.

  286. jrinNC Says:

    I gotta tell you that document is brilliant. So is this basically saying that by filing a 1040 you are giving permission for your monies to be withheld and taxed????????? And if you don’t file there is nothing they can do?????????????

  287. rosettasister Says:

    New Thread:

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