The Next Step for Health-Care Reform by Ezra Klein


Ezra Klein

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This will give you a very good idea of what to expect next.  And I think it echoes what Senator Gregg has stated regarding reconciliation and any public “option.”

Tuesday’s Finance Committee vote is considered such a sure thing that most Hill staffers are already looking past it.

When you hear about compromises like an opt-out public option, you’re not hearing about a potential amendment to the Finance Committee’s bill.

You’re hearing about a potential addition to the “floor bill.”

That’s where the action is now.

The floor bill will not be the Finance Bill, exactly. And it will not be the HELP Committee’s bill.

Instead, it will be a blend of the two.

The merger will be overseen by Harry Reid’s office, and Hill sources expect the room to be fairly small beyond that: Max Baucus, officially representing the Finance Committee, but unofficially representing Senate moderates.

Chris Dodd, representing the HELP Committee, but unofficially representing Senate liberals.

A few White House staffers (Peter Orszag’s name comes up frequently).

Finally, Tom Harkin, the actual chairman of the HELP Committee, will have some involvement but isn’t expected to be a key player.

Other members of the Senate will have less official roles.

The rest of the Senate Democratic Leadership team, for instance, Olympia Snowe.

Key liberals and moderates with whom Dodd and Baucus will be in constant communication. But the room itself is expected to be quite small.

The base bill is going to be the Senate Finance Committee’s bill.

That bill, unlike the HELP Committee’s bill, is complete.

It has revenues and Medicare and Medicaid.

The HELP bill, due to the committee’s constrained jurisdiction, lacks all those items.

Moreover, everyone wants to keep the Finance Committee’s CBO score, or at least something like it.

Calling this a merger, then, isn’t really accurate.

It’s more like a bigger company buying out a small rival. The question is what they keep.

*** The main items under discussion are the public plan (public “option,” coops, trigger, opt-in, opt-out, etc.) and affordability. ***

To secure the support of liberal members, there will need to be some sort of public plan. (Yes, but exactly what form that will take is anyone’s guess right now.)

To retain the support of moderates, the plan will have to continue to bend the spending curve in both the first and second decades.

To secure the support of the Democratic caucus more broadly, there will need to be more subsidies, or some other measure to make insurance a bit more affordable.

That, however, will require more revenues. (Exactly!)

No one quite seems to know where those revenues will come from.

In fact, the main revenue change under discussion is to soften the excise tax, which would mean the bill raises less, rather than more, money.

So that’s going to be tricky. (Understatement!)

What emerges from this process is expected to look a lot like the final compromise.

As a smart Hill source explained to me, the final legislation is hard to change.

It won’t take anything but the agreement of the members in that room to add something to the bill.

But after the bill leaves that room and goes to the floor, it will be very different to make any changes.

Harder even than in the committee process, where a bare majority of committee members could add an amendment.

On the floor, you’ll need 60 votes to add anything. (Notice this is not what Reid said about adding a public “option” amendment “after the fact.”)

You also need 60 votes to remove anything.

If some group of senators dislikes one of the features, they’ll need to beat a filibuster to reform it.

Indeed, that means Republicans might not be the only ones employing the filibuster.

Eleven moderates and all the Republicans could partner to weaken an element of the bill and still be foiled by 40-some liberals. (only 30 senators signed letter backing public option‎)

The flip side of that, of course, is that you need the entire Democratic caucus to break the final filibuster on the bill.

You can’t have anyone angry enough that they’re willing to scuttle the final legislation.

That means the compromise coming out of the merger has to be basically acceptable to all Democrats, and then a core of 41 Democrats needs to be ready to defend every major element from attack (even as some Democrats vote for those attacks).

(“the compromise coming out of the merger has to be basically acceptable to all Democrats” – all Democrats will probably be amenable to Snowe’s trigger, Conrad’s coops or Carper’s compromise – Schumer’s trying to do an opt-out rather than an opt-in)

It’s not going to be easy. But that’s the next step.

(I wish Ms. Maddow would read Ezra Klein and stop it with her nonsense!)

sneaky cat

“Sneaky Cat”

See also:

Verum Serum on Ezra Klein’s conflicting statements about the “sneaky public option strategy.”  From what I’ve read, Mr. Klein would appear to be a realist on any public option.  At least that is my interpretation.

The real problem arises when you compare his statements about the “sneaky strategy” line published today with what he said about the exact same statement back in June.

235 Responses to “The Next Step for Health-Care Reform by Ezra Klein”

  1. Troy Says:


  2. igaveup Says:

    darn it troy, ya beat me ;0

  3. igaveup Says:

    Anyone figure out yet who nominated the Messiah?

  4. Troy Says:

    Good news
    Active Duty Troops In Iraq Are Wearing Oath Keeper Tabs: “… what we are wearing while over here in Iraq”
    by DefendUSx October 09, 2009 15:44

    A Three Percent Oath Keeper in Iraq
    The above photo was submitted by an active duty Oath Keeper in Mosul Iraq, sporting an Oath Keepers tab. As his other tab and patch make clear, he is also a “Three Percenter.” (see below)

    The photo was also posted over at the Sipsey Street Irregulars blog with this message:

    Just thought the WRSA [Western Rifle Shooters Association] and the Sipsey Street boys might like to see what we are wearing while over here in Iraq. We . . . know what the deal is, and when the time comes (which it will), we know where we stand and continue to make preparations for it.

    Keep up the good work!

    Regards from Mosul,

    All I can say to that is Hooah! Thank you for your service, K7C, and for stepping up. Give our best regards to your brothers in arms, and let them know we have your six back home. If any of you need anything at all, from socks to helmets, to body armor, just ask and it will be provided. We need you to stay safe and come home healthy.

    Oath Keepers here stateside, let your brothers on active duty in Iraq know how you feel. They do come here to read comments, count on that.

    Note that the tab in the photo is not the same tab we sell here on our site (which is more of a police style tab). We are having military ACU style tabs with velcro made up, but they are not yet finished. That means the troops are having their own Oath Keeper tabs made up! And no, we did not put them up to it. They are doing this on their own initiative.

    So take heart! The message of the oath and its obligations is spreading, and the Guardians of the Republic are listening and responding. And every time you act to spread the message, by whatever means, you cannot know what impact you will have, or how far it will reach. That’s why it’s so crucial that we each do what we can to reach, teach, and inspire as many active duty as possible about their obligation to defend the Constitution and their duty to refuse unlawful orders that would violate the rights of their fellow Americans.

    Upcoming Outreach Effort to Put Tabs, DVD’s, and OK Handbooks in the Hands of Active Duty

    Coincidentally, the tabs those troops are wearing are almost exactly like the tabs we are having made for our upcoming care package initiative, which will put an Oath Keeper tab, DVD, Oath Keepers handbook, copy of the Declaration of Independence and Constitution, and other outreach materials, into the hands of active duty deployed worldwide. We plan on launching that effort on Veteran’s Day, November 11 and continuing right on through Bill of Rights Day, December 15, with the goal of delivering all the care packages by Christmas. Now imagine what that will be like! Tens of thousands of our troops reached with the message and a tab. I will post more details very soon.

    What’s a Three Percenter?

    Now, seeing the other tab and patch in the photo, you may ask “what is a three percenter?” The narrowest definition is that three percenters are hard-line gun owners who are done backing up and will not comply with more infringements of their right to bear arms. A broader definition would be that they are hard-line Americans who are done backing up and will not comply with further infringement of any of their rights. It also alludes to the three percent of the colonists who took to the field against the King during the Revolution, and the estimation that at least three percent of modern Americans will actively fight, if it comes to it, to preserve liberty. Read this essay for more explanation.

    Oath Keepers and Three Percenters are separate groups, but it is not a surprise to see people who consider themselves both an Oath Keeper and a Three Percenter. If you read the supplied links you will see why.

    While we Oath Keepers have a specialized mission of outreach to current serving, focused on the oath and on refusing to obey unlawful orders, there’s lots of common ground and shared commitment to the Republic among both groups. Go here to read what the Sipsey Street blog has to say about that.

    Oath Keepers, expect to see more of these tabs popping up soon, even before we begin our care package initiative. You are making a real difference. Keep up the good work!

    For the Republic,
    Stewart Rhodes

  5. Troy Says:

    Just on Fox: UN planes crashes, all passengers dead

  6. igaveup Says:

    maybe the “world elites” know that some Americans are getting really close to figuring out that “the One” is not eligible to be Pres., so they are giving him a boost?

  7. Troy Says:

  8. Troy Says:

    This isn’t too hard to figure out…She is a liberal disguising herself in Republican clothes to steal away a seat….If she is being endorsed by DailyKos and ACORN then that should be an enormous red flag to the GOP….If it’s not, then it confirms that there is not really a two party system, but rather a stage performance being conducted for our viewing.
    ACORN’s GOP Supporters
    by Capitol Confidential

    Assemblywoman Dede Scozzafava is not your typical Republican candidate. Running in a special election in upstate New York for the seat of departing Congressman John McHugh, she has, naturally, picked up the support of state and national Republican party officials. She has secured the full support of the National Republican Congressional Committee and that of its chairman, Texas Rep. Pete Sessions.

    But, she has also picked up the support of the DailyKos, not a traditionally deep well of support for Republicans. Oh, and ACORN’s Working Families Party. Below is a memo Big Government obtained circulating among leaders of the conservative movement. It is from New York State Conservative Party Chair, Mike Long:

    more here:

  9. igaveup Says:

    JUST BREAKING FROM NORWAY, Barry shares prize with Sammy Korir!

    Korir is receiving this award for NOT revealing secret tapes and a birth certificate he has had in his possession since before the US election, thus sparing the US and the world, the expose of a NON-Natural Born citizen as President, which would have resulted in left-wing, communist, and socialist chaos.

  10. Troy Says:

  11. Troy Says:

  12. Troy Says:

    Amnesty, Step 1: SEIU Advocates The Counting Of Illegals In Census

  13. patriotamy Says:

    igaveup Says:
    October 9, 2009 at 11:52 pm

    JUST BREAKING FROM NORWAY, Barry shares prize with Sammy Korir!

    ROFLMAO……… This is worth putting my money in the ‘JAR’ … !!!!!!

    Sorry 😀

  14. Tenacity Says:


    You have my vote to be exonerated from contributing to the jar. That was great….ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Yes in deed, who could be more deserving of a share of the prize, right along with Gore and Carter than the Chief Editor.

    That was just too good.

  15. Tenacity Says:

    Where is Larry Sinclair when we need him? He needs to publish an open letter to Muchelle with that BREAKING NEWS from Norway.

  16. ryansgrammy Says:

    patriotamy Says:
    October 10, 2009 at 1:49 am
    igaveup Says:
    October 9, 2009 at 11:52 pm
    JUST BREAKING FROM NORWAY, Barry shares prize with Sammy Korir!
    ROFLMAO……… This is worth putting my money in the ‘JAR’ … !!!!!!
    Now that was funny. We’ll see if SK enhances his website again after the award is paid 😀

  17. joldy Says:

    of the

    Long, may have been posted, someone on last nites LTL blog talk show posted the link.

  18. ryansgrammy Says:

    All I can say is throw the bums out. Why don’t they shoot these turkeys to the moon. Hell — they can take water with them. 🙂

  19. ryansgrammy Says:

    We’ve entered The Twilight Zone

  20. Troy Says:

    If it quacks like a duck then tape it’s bill shut with duct tape.
    Department of Justice Spends Hundreds of Thousands to Study Duct Tape

    by DefendUSx October 09, 2009 19:30

    Colonel Mustard, in the library, with… a roll of duct tape? Thanks to a $2 million grant from the United States Department of Justice, researchers at the University of California, Davis are conducting experiments on this famous multipurpose adhesive in the hope that another tool will be put in the belt of forensic crime scene investigators.

  21. ryansgrammy Says:

    Update on Leo Haffey in Nashville (sorry if already posted)

  22. Troy Says:

    HI Attorney General’s Office denies policies on NBC
    October 9, 2009 by John Charlton

    by John Charlton

    (Oct. 8, 2009) — The Post & Email has just received moments ago, the response sent by Hawaii Deputy Attorney General Jill T. Nagamine, denying that the AG office has ever mentioned the term “natural born citizen” in an opinion or policy.

    The concerned citizen had made the following request, using the online interface at the HI Attorney General’s office:

  23. ryansgrammy Says:

    This is an interesting piece of info from HI on the NBC claim by Fukino.

  24. ryansgrammy Says:

    Troy — great minds think alike!

  25. ryansgrammy Says:

    Another cockaroach crawls out of the woodwork.

  26. ryansgrammy Says:

    What Price for Obama’s Nobel Prize?What do the Norwegian Nobel arbiters expect to collect from President Barack Obama? They have just awarded him a peace prize which Obama himself suggests was extended on credit — or so he implied in telling reporters Friday morning that he wasn’t sure he’d done enough to deserve it.

  27. Tenacity Says:

    I printed out that protocol last night (50 pages). Amazing information. Red tells me that translation has been out for a long time…decades. He was surprised I hadn’t seen it long ago. My son and I started reading it. We decided that we needed to read as much scripture as we read of the protocol just to keep our thinking clear. Apparently they stick pretty close to the protocol…thus it is quite accurate. It is freaky to look inside the enemies brain. I am reminded of “That Hideous Strength” and “The Screwtape Letters” and how reading those was a struggle for me.

    I will be interested to get feedback from any that read “Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion” I know that this will necessarily shake some people’s thinking at the foundation.

  28. rosettasister Says:

    I thought perhaps some may have an interest:

    Giorgio Bongiovanni



  29. rosettasister Says:

    La Vida de Giorgio Bongiovanni Parte 1

  30. rosettasister Says:

    More Like This:

  31. igaveup Says:

    ten? i’m immune from the jar? 😉

    don’t got no change anyway. ;(

  32. igaveup Says:

    i do have lot’s of mmmm, mmmm, mnmmm

  33. rosettasister Says:

    Please, none of this:

    Antisemitic publications

    On the Jews and Their Lies

    Protocols of the Elders of Zion

    The International Jew

    Mein Kampf

    The Culture of Critique series

  34. joldy Says:


    I’m having a hard time reading it to…
    Waking up this morning to that guy (can’t say the name, getting sick of hearing it all day long) getting NPP…
    just beyond being able to wrap the brain aound it… same with the Protical… I feel ill.

  35. Troy Says:

    Were they doing BO an honor by giving him the NPP or were they intentionally making his life miserable?….He has been nothing but ridiculed ever since….It has been an embarrassment for him…He knows he shouldn’t have it and he knows that the whole world knows too….Did they set him up to look bad and like a fool?….If they didn’t then they sure did a good job of it.

  36. Tenacity Says:

    The truth is the truth. Calling an anti-Zionist an anti-Semite is no different than inappropriately playing the race card. Have you read the article Joldy posted the link to? It is high time we learn the difference between Jew, as in King of the Jews, and Jew, as in Theodor Herzl. They are 2 very different things. This even impacts translations of Scripture. For example, can you tell me when the terms Jew or chosen people were inserted into certain translations of Scripture? Or what Biblical tribe certain so-called Jews are from. A refusal to look at this material in general totally limits a persons ability to understand the Illuminati. The real question I have is, “What are you afraid of?” If you are paranoid of being stigmatized, then there are other places we can explore/discuss certain truth. That’s not a threat. It would respectfully be an accommodation with no bad intent. Please understand that I work with and manage assets for Israeli citizens every day. I recognize the prophetic significance of Israel. However, in Christ there is no longer a division, even between Jew & Gentile. So defining the prophetic term “Israel” should not be put in a box, as it may have a larger meaning than one might first suspect. I believe the remnant is now in place. There is so much deception in the world today that it is difficult to grasp it all. This discussion is important in seeing through some important elements of that deception.

    Do you wish to ignore the role of the Jesuits and Masons in the Zionist movement? Seriously, I see a study of this valuable. Do you want me to be silent here in that regard?

  37. Tenacity Says:

    Whoa! That was weird…I kept getting an error message for the last 40 minutes when submitting comment: Writes to the service have been disabled, we will be bringing everything back online ASAP

  38. Tenacity Says:

    odd…note: writes, not rights.

  39. Troy Says:

    Whoa! That was weird…I kept getting an error message for the last 40 minutes when submitting comment: Writes to the service have been disabled, we will be bringing everything back online ASAP
    For about an hour I couldn’t access any WordPress sites.

  40. ryansgrammy Says:

    This was very disturbing —

  41. ryansgrammy Says:

    If you believe this than I have a bridge to sell you.

    Govt-Funded Research Unit Destroyed Original Climate Data

  42. Troy Says:

    Govt-Funded Research Unit Destroyed Original Climate Data
    …and the dog ate my homework. 😉

  43. rosettasister Says:

    7:42 AM Pacific

    Good Saturday morning, America!

    I tried posting this last night, but couldn’t post for some reason.


    ‘A Dangerous Lie: The Protocols of the Elders of Zion’

  44. rosettasister Says:

    Let me make this clear.

    I do not want anti-Bush Truther nonsense here.

    I do not want anti-Semitic anti-Zionist (or whatever you choose to call it) nonsense here.

    End of story.

  45. rosettasister Says:

    Senator Hatch on Tort Reform (Video)

    (If, and that’s a big if, there is tort reform in final HCR bill, will Hatch or any other Repubs vote yes? I heard Senator Bayh tell Larry Kudlow that the reason tort reform isn’t in any Democrat-crafted bill is because Repubs say they’ll vote no anyway.)

    (There’s going to be a HCR bill which will become law. Shouldn’t Repubs be doing more to make it a better bill? Even if they’ll get a lot of heat from their base for a yes vote?)

    (It’s going to be very interesting to see which public “option” eventually is in the final bill. I’m still hoping it’s Snowe’s trigger because I do not believe private insurers would be so stupid as to allow a trigger to ever be pulled. Whether it’s Snowe’s trigger, Conrad’s coops, Carper’s compromise, or whatever, I hope there’s a trigger and that it’s not a hair-trigger.)

  46. rosettasister Says:

    John McCain on Afghanistan

    There is no shortage of advice for President Obama.

    His generals have made clear they want more troops, including his Afghanistan commander Army General Stanley McChrystal.

    “The situation is serious and I choose that word very, very carefully,” McChrystal said.

    McChrystal’s dire assessment prompted President Obama to review the strategy he announced just six months ago.

    In the review, Mr. Obama is getting advice from all sides, including his 2008 rival for the presidency, Republican Senator John McCain.

    “There are a number of options, but the option that’s presented by our military commanders in the field, endorsed by the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, should be given, obviously, additional weight because they were correct in employing the strategy that succeeded in Iraq,” McCain said.

    Senator McCain urged the president to move quickly and avoid “half-measures.”

  47. rosettasister Says:

    This vlogger wants to know why Senator Lieberman opposes govt-run healthcare. The senator was very polite and, I think, explains his position very well.

  48. ryansgrammy Says:

    Rose — I meant to tell you that I love the Sneaky Cat picture. Have you every read any books by Rita Mae Brown (they are mysteries). They are written in the voice of her cat — Sneaky Pie Brown.

  49. ryansgrammy Says:

    What is this — members of congress with a little backbone???

  50. ryansgrammy Says:

    Troy — how’s the knee doing?? Enjoy your company!

  51. Troy Says:

    Troy — how’s the knee doing??
    maybe a little improvement today…Thanks!

  52. ryansgrammy Says:

    He’s Not My President

    Why Did Lawrence B. Solum Miss A Critical Point in the Natural Born Citizen Issue?

  53. ryansgrammy Says:

    Obama’s Agenda —
    Hillsdale College Professor Paul Rahe writes:
    Charles Krauthammer has an article in the forthcoming Weekly Standard that, to their great credit, the editors of that journal have now made available online here. Although it only says what should be obvious, Krauthammer’s article is nonetheless a piece that should be read in its entirety by every American.

    Krauthammer’s point is simple and unassailable. There is, he argues, an intimate connection between the foreign policy being pursued by the Obama administration and its domestic policy. The work undertaken in the domestic sphere by what I have called “Obama’s wrecking crew” will, he points out, put a stop to the pattern of dynamic economic growth that made it possible for the United States to defeat Japan, contribute decisively to the defeat of Nazi Germany, contain communism, and ultimately defeat and prepare the way for the dismemberment of the Soviet Union. read the rest:

  54. sisterrosetta Says:


  55. ryansgrammy Says:

    So how many millions as Gore made off of the global warming ruse??

    Brrrr… Antarctic Ice Melt at Lowest Level in Recorded History

  56. ryansgrammy Says:

    DeMint goes to Honduras and reports: Our ambassador is the only person I met there who thinks there was a ‘coup.’

  57. sisterrosetta Says:

    You beat me grammy!



  58. ryansgrammy Says:

    I enjoyed the pics here

  59. ryansgrammy Says:

    On health care reform —

    Politico (again) breaks a major story this morning with its outing of the Dem secret plan that Brian Darling of the Heritage Foundation has been warning of for more than ten days:

  60. rosettasister Says:

    Thanks, grammy. We discussed this the other day.

    I think a much likelier scenario is what Ezra Klein explains in the post above.

  61. jrinNC Says:

    Israeli Foreign Minister rules out Palestinian peace deal

    Israel’s Foreign Minister has ruled out any permanent peace deal for years to come, even as the US envoy to the region called for a swift resumption of peace talks.

  62. jrinNC Says:

    Interesting !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The Real Reason USA is bombing the Moon ~ A NEW Weapon!

    “Have you ever heard of “Rods from God” well its a bomb without being a bomb that packs the same punch as a nuke, without the radioactive fallout.
    Basically its a large metallic rod that falls to earth (or the moon in this case) from space and using kinetic energy becomes almost like a “smart” asteroid that could wipe out an entire city.

    This weapons test could not be conducted on earth without raising red flags… so under the guise of NASA they concocted this story of trying to find water on the moon, despite the fact that India has already done so without needing to blow it up.

    With this weapon the USA can destroy any city on earth without leaving any traces of evidence of who is responsible for the attack and without causing nuclear fallout to affect the surrounding area/nations.”

  63. jrinNC Says:

    Fox News Crew Gets Caught in Clash between Palestinians and Israeli Security Forces in Jerusalem – Video 10/9/09

    Even like the days in the Bible these folks are still “throwing stones.”

  64. jrinNC Says:

    Wait for benefits is 3 years if health care passes;_ylt=As1qt6..FLgv1ofcXwgkABlpaP0E;_ylu=X3oDMTJ1ZWgyNGExBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkxMDEwL3VzX2hlYWx0aF9jYXJlX3dhaXRpbmdfdGltZQRjcG9zAzcEcG9zAzcEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9yaWVzBHNsawN3YWl0Zm9yYmVu

    Under the Democratic bills, federal tax credits to help make health insurance affordable for millions of low- and middle-income households won’t start flowing until 2013 — after the next presidential election. But Medicare cuts and a sizable chunk of the tax increases to pay for the overhaul kick in immediately.

    In other words destroy everything first then when it actually comes time for everyone to get any benefits – you will more than likely already be dead if you are currently under Medicare.

  65. rosettasister Says:

    Clinton’s Europe tour under way

    US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has arrived in Switzerland at the start of a five-day tour of Europe.

    Visiting Russia for the first time as chief US diplomat, Mrs Clinton will hold talks on Iran’s disputed nuclear programme with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev in Moscow on Tuesday.

    She is expected to press the Russian leader for “a strong commitment for tough new sanctions” on Tehran.

    Officials say she will also raise other issues, including arms control, missile defence, and cooperation to convince North Korea to abandon nuclear weapons.

  66. rosettasister Says:

    Israel’s envoy to the United States — Ambassador Michael Oren

    He also referred to ongoing conversations, including those held on Thursday, with US Middle East envoy George Mitchell over an arrangement for a settlement freeze.

    “They have made significant progress on the idea of a time-limited freeze that would not really impact Jerusalem and that would provide for a certain amount of natural growth construction,” he reported, describing the two countries as “much, much closer” than they were six months ago.

    “The settlement issue as a major, major flashpoint is gone,” he maintained.

    And on Iran, Oren said Israel detected a shift in the American perception of Iran during the past several months. Particularly followed June’s flawed presidential election and opposition crackdown, the US saw the threat as the Arab world’s problem as well as an Israeli problem and a situation whereby “the administration had to engage a terror-supporting, Holocaust-denying, potentially genocidal, illegitimate regime.”

    “There were in some ways profound shifts in the American perception of the Iranian threat,” he explained, referring to “a growing willingness on the part of the administration not only to put limits on engagement but to talk seriously about putting together a package of what Secretary of State Hillary Clinton called ‘crippling sanctions’ against Iran.”

    Since then, he said, the two countries have “cooperated extremely closely” on sharing intelligence and putting together sanction options.

    He said since then that “we are receiving assurances all the time by the administration that they will not be fooled by any attempt by the Iranians” to delay, avoid inspections and other subterfuge.

    “We are continuing to support the administration’s position on this, all the time keeping our eye on the clock,” he concluded.

  67. Troy Says:

    Now the History Channel has gotten in on the act…The HC is owned by General Electric.

  68. Troy Says:

    The History Channel is airing a ‘documentary’ on a Washington nuke


    The History Channel is owned by G.E. which owns MSNBC.

    Do these idiots know that terrorists get cable too? or is the enemy already among us?

    Crazy Shit.

    Love how at the end this turns into a DHS commercial.

    Just like “The Lone Gunman” prepared the public for 9/11 (i.e. exact same scenario in that show), this History Channel special is meant to pre-program the public to seeing such an event in which they can fully strip the American People of all their liberties.

    Then you read shit like this and you go WTF?

    The new evacuation route signs are already being met with criticism (WTOP Photo/Adam Tuss)

    WASHINGTON — D.C.’s new evacuation signs — designed to direct drivers out of harm’s way in the event of an emergency — are already being met with criticism.

    City leaders officially unveiled the signs Monday.

    The current emergency evacuation system in the city has been questioned in the past. Right now, evacuation routes are designated by a D.C. flag on street signs.

    The new plan calls for attaching a blue sign with white writing to the top of street signs on evacuation corridors. The new signs read “evacuation route.” Officials say the signs will more clearly identify evacuation routes out of the city.

    At a news conference Monday, city leaders were asked why there was no arrow or symbol on the new evacuation signs, showing people which way they need to go when a crisis hits.

    “This is just the first part (of the program), so we will take that into consideration,” says Interim DDOT Director Frank Seales.

    WTOP Traffic’s Bob Marbourg doesn’t think the signs will be effective.

    “You get on a road, have no idea where that road is going to take you, and often that road doesn’t take you there anyway. So to simply call a route an evacuation route is not going to help people,” says Marbourg.

    “From what I have seen of the sign, it doesn’t add anything to my knowledge of how to get out of harm’s way.”

    D.C. Mayor Adrian Fenty says the plan is not perfect.

    “If there are some changes that still need to be made, we’ll make them.”

    Navigating D.C. streets is already a tricky procedure, especially for someone from out of town. In an emergency, not knowing which way to go could prove to be a fatal decision.

    There are 19 emergency evacuation routes in the city that are scheduled to get the new signs. It is estimated 3,500 existing street signs across the city will be outfitted with the new evacuation route placards.

    The first signs will be attached to the existing street signs along Pennsylvania Avenue.

    The signs will cost the District $250,000. The city hopes to have that process completed by the spring.

  69. jrinNC Says:

    Climate Talks Failure Would Embarrass Obama, EU Says (Update3)

    “Obama and his administration are very committed, and it will be more than an embarrassment for them if at Copenhagen they would have to admit they are not ready,” Falkenberg said late last night in Bangkok, where more than 180 nations are meeting for talks. “We can just help, but helping them also means directly telling them that the world has an expectation.”

  70. Troy Says:

    More leftist corruption
    2010 Census Still a Boondoggle for the Left
    by Kyle Olson

    While there may have been a collective sigh of relief across America after the news that the Census Bureau severed ties with ACORN, it made me wonder who other Census partners were.

    In short, ACORN or not, the 2010 census will be an organizing tool for the American Left.

    Here is a partial list of other census partners, according to the Census website:

    A. Phillip Randolph Institute
    American Federation of Government Employees
    American Federation of Teachers
    Coalition of Labor Union Women
    Coalition of Black Trade Unionists
    Community Action Partnership
    Families USA
    International Brotherhood of Teamsters
    Labor Council for the Latin American Advancement
    League of Women Voters of the United States
    National Black Justice Coalition
    National Council of La Raza
    National Education Association
    Pride at Work
    Rainbow Push Coalition
    Service Employees International Union
    Southern Coalition for Social Justice
    United Workers

    My problem all along is that overtly political organizations, say SEIU or ACORN, would be out collecting sensitive information on Americans. What would stop them from zapping off one copy of personal information for themselves as they submit it to the Census Bureau? The federal government We will essentially be paying organized labor and “social justice” organizations to recruit new members.

    With such a tight grip on the Census by the Obama administration and its allies, one wonders what the end result will be and if it can be trusted.

    Workforce Alliance

  71. Troy Says:

    I’m bored!


  72. Troy Says:

    Still bored

  73. Troy Says:

    Well, those last ones sucked!…Try these!!!

  74. Troy Says:

    Click “full screen”

  75. Troy Says:


  76. Troy Says:

    Media Immigration Human Rights Environment Water Health Drugs Sex Corporations and Work World Politics Take Action “Death Bonds”: Wall Street’s Shocking New Plan to Reap Billions off Dying Americans

    It sounds too gruesome to be true, but the bankers have already shaken the silver out of everything that had value in America — except for the elderly

    Now we know why America’s oligarchs are fighting to keep the rest of us stuck in the world’s worst health care system: the more we die, the more billions Wall Street will earn. A recent article in The New York Times exposed how Wall Street is licking its lips over a new scheme to make hundreds of billions in profits by creating financial instruments that will profit off of millions of terminally-ill Americans’ agony, desperation, and death. The only thing standing in the way of this massive new Wall Street scheme is the kind of health care reform that might allow Americans to live longer lives. Yep, this is what we spent trillions of dollars bailing out Wall Street for: so that they can kill us for profit.

    It sounds like something out of an old sci-fi flick like War of the Worlds, with America’s billionaires as the brutal aliens harvesting our humanoid blood and tissue to fertilize their country club golf courses. Yet it makes logical sense: Wall Street has nowhere else to turn for its fat profits. Our banking class has already destroyed everything else in this country that had any value, from America’s industrial base to the American Dream itself, its housing market–whatever Wall Street could securitize, leverage, flip or restructure, they destroyed for good. There’s nothing left to strip and pawn — except for our lives.

    Yes, it’s sick as hell, so vile and evil that it almost defies understanding. But I’ll try: see, if I was a gambling man, I’d wager that the thing that gave our banker billionaires the idea to turn our deaths into “death bonds” was the way they so effortlessly looted trillions of taxpayer bailout dollars from us, so quickly, and with so little resistance. That puts bad ideas into bad people’s heads. You and I, if we were the ones who got those trillions in our time of need (rather than having it stolen from us in our time of need), we might have a real sentimental epiphany, like, “Gee, the American taxpayers saved me from ruin! I promise from now on to change my ways and do whatever I can to repay these kind Americans!”


  77. jrinNC Says:

    Where’s your company Troy????? By the way these are great – I Love that song “We Didn’t Start the Fire”

  78. Troy Says:


  79. joldy Says:

    Troy, still bard? How about some music…

    Schizo Fun Addict’s new version of the Van der Graaf Generator/George Martin track ‘Theme One’

  80. joldy Says:

    A video for the single “Dream of the Portugal Keeper” by SCHIZO FUN ADDICT. The lyrics and concept for the song were written in Philadelphia one Summer day. This is a song for dreamers and believ…

  81. joldy Says:

    The opening track to the Small Faces’ classic Ogden’s Nut Gone Flake, reinterpreted by Schizo Fun Addict.

  82. joldy Says:

    Troy, still bard? bard = board!
    Sorry my bad tryping.

  83. joldy Says:

    So John Charlton’s Post an Email not what we thought…

    John Charlton Says:

    October 9, 2009 at 8:17 PM

    A concerned citizen just got this reply from the AG’s office in HI about the nbc issue:

    Would beg your input on what this response means (something that I could quote you on, at the Post & Email).

    [ed. My input is that I do not have any faith in you – Mr. John Charlton – or your publication the Post and Email. I suspect your blog’s motivation for existing is directly opposite to the intention of my blog.

    The rest here…

  84. joldy Says:

    Linda’s latest at Constitutionally Speaking…

  85. ryansgrammy Says:

    I have had this song in my head all day. Enjoy!

  86. Troy Says:

    Three Iranian Protesters Sentence to Death
    4,000 arrested, 140 on trial, in the first verdicts, three sentenced to death:

    Three people arrested after Iran’s disputed presidential election have been condemned to death despite a global outcry over trials of people who claimed Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s re-election was rigged.

    “Three people who were accused (for their role) in the post-election incidents have been sentenced to death,” said Zahed Bashiri Rad, media officer at the justice ministry, quoted by ISNA news agency on Saturday.

    The Iranian protesters were up for the Nobel Prize, and the award might have saved some lives or at least given them a sense of global solidarity as they face their deaths.

  87. Troy Says:

    Dirtbag “Anti-War” Marine Imposter Arrested
    Twin Cities If convicted, (Richard) Strandlof could face a year in prison and a $100,000 fine. Congress in 2005 passed the Stolen Valor Act after complaints from veterans about phonies masquerading as heroes and tarnishing the reputation of true heroes.
    Confronted by FBI agents, Strandlof admitted that he had never served in the military, according to the FBI affidavit.

    While posing as a former Marine captain, Strandlof gained attention as a passionate opponent of the Iraq war and an advocate for better care for wounded veterans. He formed a Colorado Springs-based organization called Colorado Veteran’s Alliance.

    His speeches reportedly brought tears to the eyes of audience members, particularly when he recalled losing four Marines under his command in Fallujah.

    Hopefully the arrest is the beginning of a trend. Sleezeballs like these have done damage maligning our fine service members; the world is very gullible. Some jail time might put a damper on it.

  88. rosettasister Says:

    New Thread:

  89. Troy Says:

    ….and so we continue!

  90. jrinNC Says:

    Ok this is much better

  91. Troy Says:

    Help The Post & Email grow!
    October 22, 2009 by John Charlton

    If you would like to help The Post & Email grow, we need to raise approx. $2,000.00 USD, to get our own site and set it up: monies donated will be used to cover the expenses of domain registration, hosting, web-development; legal fees for incorporation and filing. It will not go to employees or staff, as we are all working pro bono at this point. Our web-developer is an Article II patriot.

    Help us give the MSM a run for their money! Together we can do it!

    If you would like to make a donation, please click this link.

    You will be transferred to a PayPal interface, which will enable you to make a donation directly our account.

    Donations are not tax-deductible.

    It is our goal to raise this in the next 24 hours, so that we can make the move this week. Please spread the word to patriots everywhere!

  92. jrinNC Says:

    Now I need to go back and find the videos that I wanted to post. 🙂

  93. Troy Says:

    Hopefully everyone will follow our gingerbread trail. 🙂

  94. Troy Says:

    I thought Rhodes handled himself very well…Listen to what he reminds Chrissy Mathews about. 😀

  95. Troy Says:

  96. Troy Says:

    Lmaooooo!!!!!!!!…In that last video, look at these two and tell me which one looks like a man and which one looks like some kind of worm.

  97. jrinNC Says:


    Official disclosure of extraterrestrial life is imminent

    October 21, 12:27 AM Honolulu Exopolitics Examiner Michael Salla, Ph.D.

    An official announcement by the Obama administration disclosing the reality of extraterrestrial life is imminent. For several months, senior administration officials have been quietly deliberating behind closed doors how much to disclose to the world about extraterrestrial life. Dissatisfaction among powerful institutions such as the U.S. Navy over the decades-long secrecy policy has given a boost to efforts to disclose the reality of extraterrestrial life and technology.

  98. Troy Says:

    Fall of the Republic is also available on You Tube.

    Part 1 of 14

  99. ryansgrammy Says:

    This is like the old scammer threads — hopping around to threads with fewer comments. BTW–for fun I went to the site to check out the latest. In response to the comments that he might be in a bar, I couldn’t resist copying this piece he posted recently (guess his bar selections are limited: 🙂 I’m putting myself in the penalty box!

    “Norway preaches what they do not practice. Norway wants to become the example in the world and be on the same page with those countries that respect human rights, allowing black people to enter any bar or restaurant of their choice.”

  100. jrinNC Says:

    LOL – Troy that is obvious. But Chris Matthews makes me sick

  101. jrinNC Says:

    Grammy – now that is priceless.

  102. jrinNC Says:

    Yeah Troy and that vid is almost 2 hours. I got tired of watching it after an hour and 20 minutes.

  103. Troy Says:

    This has been talked about and expected within the ET circles for quite a while.

    Once it’s official then it’s safe for me to tell everyone who I really am.

    Hehehe (sarc) 😉

  104. jrinNC Says:

    ROFLMAO – OK ET – do we need to send you home.

  105. jrinNC Says:

    Well maybe I will find those videos tomorrow. My brain is too tired to even remember where I saw them 🙂

  106. jrinNC Says:


    Well what do you know Fox got support.

  107. ryansgrammy Says:

    I wonder if any of the aliens look like b.o. 🙂 Maybe that explains why he doesn’t have a past and no one seems to remember him and why he doesn’t have a BC. 😀

  108. ryansgrammy Says:

    jr — I saw that on the news and was shocked that the other networks said its all or none of us — a glimmer of hope???

  109. jrinNC Says:

    Remind the Speaker Who Really Influences Votes – You

    Posted by Congressman Tom Price (Profile)

    Thursday, October 22nd at 3:30PM EDT

    Last August, you went to public forums and town halls across the country to hold your members of Congress accountable for their votes. You made your firm opposition to a government takeover of health care crystal clear. And on September 12, hundreds of thousands of you descended upon Washington to say once again that you would not be ignored.

    Congress took notice. But now, Speaker Pelosi and other top Democrats in Congress think you’ve been lulled to sleep.

    As they try to secure votes with deals for individual members, Democrat leaders are attempting to create a sense of momentum by claiming they have the necessary 218 votes for passage in the House. They want you to think a government takeover of health care is inevitable. They want you to throw in the towel.

    Don’t let them fool you. (more)

  110. jrinNC Says:

    Grammy I think you have finally hit on who BO really is or should I say is not 🙂

    Yeah I have to say I am pleasantly surprised that they rallied around Fox.

  111. Troy Says:

    ryansgrammy Says:

    October 23, 2009 at 2:34 am
    I wonder if any of the aliens look like b.o. Maybe that explains why he doesn’t have a past and no one seems to remember him and why he doesn’t have a BC.
    Grammy has solved the mystery!!!

  112. Troy Says:

    Barack Obama is an Archallian Swamp Lizzard from the planet Uranus or my anus or someone’s anus…Hehehe

  113. ryansgrammy Says:

    Found this on CW and thought it was inspiring. Night gang!

  114. jrinNC Says:

    Nite Grammy – I am ready to hang it up too. So Troy looks like you are it. Us east coasters are ready to hit the sack. So until tomorrow you have a good one.

  115. Troy Says:

    Nite y’all!

  116. sdee Says:

    this story was just on Fox. In a NY congressional race, Palin endorsed the conservative, not the Republican 🙂

    “Doug Hoffman has not been anointed by any political machine,” Palin wrote. “Doug Hoffman stands for the principles that all Republicans should share: smaller government, lower taxes, strong national defense, and a commitment to individual liberty.”

  117. Goferit Says:

    Troy, did you hear tenacity on BTR tonight?

    A lot of good historical context from Red again.
    I missed the first part with just Chalice, but am restreaming now.

  118. Tenacity Says:

    Goferit, I believe the stream with Chalice is a different show.

  119. Tenacity Says:

    Now the stream is good.

  120. igaveup Says:

    I came over here last year from the “scammy” site. Saw one of rose’s posts or a link. Got real tired of scammy, cloud, clowd,…. the group singing the praises of “the Chief”. I couldn’t resist checking over there after “the One” the got Boobel Peace Prize.

  121. patriotamy Says:

    I too came from the ‘site’ we don’t mention. What a wonderful discovery too, I must say. This site has been my ‘rock’ during the past year. I would have gone completely stark-raving-mad by now if I had not found this group of level headed thinkers. (I do not mean you are flat-heads–tee-hee -hee) But, if anyone gets a little over the edge, there is always someone here to pull us back.

    You are never alone at Rosetta’s!! Thanks, guys and gals.

  122. igaveup Says:

    Anyone have a clue why larry sinclair’s power blog is down?

  123. ryansgrammy Says:

    The WH won’t let any of the czars testify before Congress. So much for transparency. These turkeys are soooooooo arrogant!

  124. ryansgrammy Says:

    This was interesting from American Thinker on race. Check out the anxiety over the election suffered by the likes of Jane Fonda and others (barf!!!)

  125. ryansgrammy Says:

    Don’t know if there are any other Virginians here at Rose’s place — here’s an article from American Thinker about our candidate for AG — Ken Cuccinelli and the Washington Post’s endorsement of his opponent.

  126. ryansgrammy Says:

    We should start a big campaign with MSNBC to oust Matthews — what a horse’s bottom!

  127. ryansgrammy Says:

    Senates sneaks thru another czar!

  128. ryansgrammy Says:

    Still another radical appointed by Obama — this one with SEIU and AFL-CIO ties — what a surprise (sarc) (sorry if this was posted already)

  129. ryansgrammy Says:

    From Big Government on coverage for ACORN related press conference–

    While I know it doesn’t rise to the journalistic importance of the “Balloon Boy” story, I would have thought yesterday’s press conference at the National Press Club featuring Hannah Giles, James O’Keefe, Andrew Breitbart and the latest video featuring the Philadelphia office of ACORN would have gathered a little more main-stream media attention.

    read more —

  130. jrinNC Says:

    Well it looks like we can prepare for increase in gas with the fire in Puerto Rico

    Huge Blast Hits Gulf Gas Facility in Puerto Rico,2933,569248,00.html

  131. joldy Says:

    ryansgrammy Says:

    October 23, 2009 at 11:30 am
    The WH won’t let any of the czars testify before Congress. So much for transparency. These turkeys are soooooooo arrogant!
    On Page two there was a poll, on the right side….

    Response Percent Votes
    Yes 39% 1219 votes
    No 59% 1849 votes
    Undecided 0% 27 votes
    Other 0% 7 votes
    3102 total votes

  132. jrinNC Says:

    Dem Leaders: Public Option a Go in House

    House leaders said Thursday that they have the votes to pass a government-run health insurance plan and Senate negotiators appear headed in the same direction, with a clause to allow states to opt out.

  133. jrinNC Says:

    Joldy I just voted and now it is 2000 votes – No

  134. Troy Says:

    Part 1 of 4

  135. joldy Says:

    I’ve Expressed my opinion (vote) a few times, shame on me 🙂

    Response Percent Votes
    Yes 35% 1226 votes
    No 63% 2236 votes
    Undecided 0% 32 votes
    Other 0% 8 votes
    3502 total votes

  136. joldy Says:

    From Naval Aviator, Commander Jerry Wilson

    We lived in California during the winters of 2007 and 2008. We became addicted to Fox News and watched O’Reilly and Hannity and Colmes every night. When we got back home, we upgraded our cable to get Fox. I watched the Presidential campaign very closely. Initially, because I thought the Democrats would nominate Hillary Clinton and then in astonishment when they chose an even more hard-left candidate. All of last year I told everyone I could that Obama was not a Democrat, he is a Marxist. He is far to the left of any European leader and even our far left party, the NDP.

    I read Saul Alinsky when I was in the University. I studied him and his writing carefully. When Bill Ayers and his idiot wife were bombing and killing people at random in the Weather Underground, the Weather Underground and the Black Panthers were closely allied. I read David Horowitz’s account of changing from a Marxist to a conservative after seeing that the government was afraid to prosecute members of the Panthers for murdering his personal assistant. He suddenly understood the evil that Marxism really was.

    After the student radicals failed in creating a Marxist revolution in the United States by violent means, they embraced Alinsky. You would be wise to read “Rules for Radicals” because it outlines how Hillary and Obama planned to get into power, and what they intended to do when they got it.

    Socialism is not the correct description for what Obama and the Democrats are doing. They are going to be much more far reaching than anything Sweden has ever been able to do. Obama is following Alinsky’s plans, those set out in “Rules for Radicals” and his other writing. The Democrats are attempting to create one party rule in the U.S. And in achieving that, will create crisis after crisis by their own actions and use those crisis to nationalize the means of production in the U.S. We are in the middle of a communist revolution and few in the U.S. can actually see it for what it truly is.

    The U.S. is now on the path of financial destruction. The Constitution has been shredded and individual human rights are being trampled. In less than 8 months. Obama has used a recession to take over the two largest industries in the U.S. He will debase the Dollar and is on the road to creating an incredible energy shortage that will allow him and Congress to take over the energy industry.

    But by and large I think that by the 2010 elections, the Democrats will have gerrymandered electoral districts to the point that it will be impossible for them to lose control of both houses of Congress. The incredible increase in the money supply is going to create Zimbabwe and Venezuela style inflation, and with it, controls on the currency and the amount of money that can be taken out of the country.

    I love America , I cannot believe how the ignorance of the American public has created a situation whereby they are going to lose their Republic and slip into an age of repression and tyranny.

    I may be nuts, but so far I have been 100% in my predictions of what Obama was going to do, because I merely had to look at “Rules for Radicals” to see what was coming next.

    I read Glenn Beck’s book, “Common Sense” and in it re-read Thomas Paines pamphlet with the same name. I recommend the book.

    When the storm finally hits (and it will), those of you who supported the Obama administration will be affected as well. It won’t just be us gun owners or Flat-Taxers, or Pro-Lifers that get hit. You’ll be right there next to us.

    You all thought the Conservatives were nut cases. You know, all of us who believe in God, small government, the Second Amendment, etc. You thought you could just go back to sleep after the election was over. In your world, America will continue as before. You’ll still have the same rights, the same nice house, the same big screen television. After all, your high school football team won and the other team lost – go team! Even if you have bothered to look up from the daily grind since Nov 4th, you dismissed everything that has occurred as “politics as usual–the same old stuff”.

    In the end, it’ll all be OK won’t it? Not this time.

    There are a growing number of citizens in the US that are ready to fight to shut down the government’s grab of personal freedom, it’s blatant abuse of the constitution, and it’s attempt to replace the American way of life with socialism/communism. You have to listen carefully to hear them, but they are there. I won’t start that fight, but when it goes down I will join it.

    As for you, why, you’ll be shocked because you didn’t see it coming. And eventually you’ll be saddened when you see that we have truly lost the way of life with which you grew up. You’ll be saddened that your children and grandchildren live in a socialist/communist, government-controlled gulag where their every movement from cradle to grave is tracked by the government. But most of all, you’ll be saddened by the death of friends and relatives who are brave enough to fight and die for something they believe in.

    You know, McCain wasn’t much of a candidate. I’ll give you that. He was the lesser of two evils for most of us. I don’t blame you for not voting for him since, at the time, you didn’t know what we all know now. But at least John McCain was an American. He was a supporter of the American way o f life and he understood that you can’t negotiate with terrorists. He understood and appreciated the sacrifice made by my father and other members of the Greatest Generation.

    Mark my words friends. All across America groups are forming. They are forming out of anger and out of desperation at the thought of losing America . They’re not militia groups or terrorists as the Department of Homeland security would have you believe; they are Americans, loyal to the constitution. They are mothers and fathers and grandparents. They belong to groups like the Minutemen Civil Defense Corps, the Peaceful Resistance, the Constitution Party, the Young Conservatives, the 9/12 Project, and Grassfire. Right now they are fragmented, each focused on their own cause. But sometime in the next two years, our government is going to do something really stupid and these groups will come together. Watch for it, wait for it–get ready. It will happen.

    When that event happens, whatever “it” is, our great country is going to plunge into chaos for a while. I pray to God that we make it through that time and emerge a stronger, smarter country.

    Naval Aviator, Commander Jerry Wilson, jerrywilson@centurytel .net

    Live Free or Die Fighting

  137. Troy Says:

    Fight “global warming”, just stop eating and die!
    To Cut Global Warming, Swedes Study Their Plates

    STOCKHOLM — Shopping for oatmeal, Helena Bergstrom, 37, admitted that she was flummoxed by the label on the blue box reading, “Climate declared: .87 kg CO2 per kg of product.”

    “Right now, I don’t know what this means,” said Ms. Bergstrom, a pharmaceutical company employee.

    But if a new experiment here succeeds, she and millions of other Swedes will soon find out. New labels listing the carbon dioxide emissions associated with the production of foods, from whole wheat pasta to fast food burgers, are appearing on some grocery items and restaurant menus around the country.


  138. Troy Says:

    joldy Says:

    October 23, 2009 at 2:55 pm
    From Naval Aviator, Commander Jerry Wilson
    I saw this letter a few months ago and emailed Jerry Wilson to thank him for it…He emailed me back and wanted to know a little bit more about me…We exchanged a few emails and ended up having a nice little chat.

    His letter was never intended to be put out on the internet, but was put out by a friend of his…He said the emails started pouring in.

  139. Katie Says:

    Just popping in to say to Grammy – “Yipppeeeee!!” for your Mom!!

    Since Palin officially endorsed Hoffman last night, it will be most interesting to watch that election. It’ll tell us a lot about who has the most influence.

  140. Troy Says:

    I can’t see anything in this email exchange that would prevent me from sharing it, so here it is.
    Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:00:35 -0400
    Subject: Disclosure

    Bill and Kerry,

    I don’t know if the two of you have seen this or not, but Project Camelot got a “mention” in the article.

    There have been various sources that have revealed deliberations are underway to make an announcement concerning the existence of extraterrestrial life by the end of 2009. These include, Dr Pete Peterson, a whistleblower who has recently emerged revealing high level discussions have taken place concerning announcing the existence of extraterrestrial life. In a Project Camelot interview, Dr Peterson revealed that “Obama is planning to disclose the reality of ET contact by the end of the year; and that most, but not all, of the ET visitors are friendly.”

    Dear Friend –

    Yes, David Wilcock’s information is the same as ours. We’ve not heard anything from Pete Peterson for the last month, however… and he was at pains to stress that while events may be planned, there are many reasons why they may not actually happen. We’ll have to wait and see…

    With very best wishes, Bill

  141. Troy Says:

    If anyone is interested.

  142. jrinNC Says:

    Christians face trial for criticising Islam

    The pair are now being prosecuted for a “religiously aggravated” public order offence. A criminal trial is set for 8 and 9 December at Liverpool Magistrates’ Court.
    All because they got into a debate with an Islamic guest at their hotel and involved discussion of whether Jesus was the Son of God or just a minor prophet of Islam.

    And So It Begins

    Matthew 24
    9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.

    10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

  143. jrinNC Says:


    Excerpt: “If most Americans were Racists, Obama would not have been elected; and Federal and State governments would not be spending one dollar out of seven on means tested welfare for one third of the American population, most of whom reside in the inner cities. ”

    Very Good Article

  144. jrinNC Says:

    NY officials rescind mandatory H1N1 flu shot order

    NY officials rescind order mandating swine flu shots for all health workers, citing shortage (Yeah Right)

  145. joldy Says:

    joldy Says:

    October 23, 2009 at 1:52 pm
    ryansgrammy Says:

    October 23, 2009 at 11:30 am
    The WH won’t let any of the czars testify before Congress. So much for transparency. These turkeys are soooooooo arrogant!
    On Page two there was a poll, on the right side….

    Response Percent Votes
    Yes 39% 1219 votes
    No 59% 1849 votes
    Undecided 0% 27 votes
    Other 0% 7 votes
    3102 total votes


    I just had to check the poll again

    Response Percent Votes
    Yes 65% 10616 votes
    No 34% 5570 votes
    Undecided 0% 90 votes
    Other 0% 18 votes
    16294 total votes

    gee, been some busy little fingers.
    Fools 😦

  146. ryansgrammy Says:

    joldy — I just looked at it and I guess the libs are playing new games these days. I figured this is what ACORN is doing now — responding to emails to vote in polls such as this and alter the outcome.

  147. joldy Says:

    Unemployment Insurance fraud now!

    ACORN Layoffs are Taxpayer Rip-offs
    by Michael McCray

    Allegations of continuing corruption continue to mount against the embattled Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN). In the wake of tremendous negative publicity, much of which was featured here at Big Government, and adverse House and Senate votes ACORN has begun laying off dozens of low-level workers and staff across the country.

    However, under conditions of strict anonymity, ACORN organizers and staff have complained to the ACORN 8 ( that senior management has ordered them to continue to work for ACORN as “volunteers” but for them to apply for unemployment insurance.


  148. joldy Says:

    ryansgrammy Says:

    October 23, 2009 at 7:22 pm
    joldy — I just looked at it and I guess the libs are playing new games these days. I figured this is what ACORN is doing now — responding to emails to vote in polls such as this and alter the outcome.

    Sure now that they are layed-off with nothing to do but comit Unemployment Insurance fraud, they need something to do.

  149. joldy Says:

    You are our EMPLOYEES, NOT our rulers. We, as a free and independent People, have NO ruler save Almighty God.


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    By D.C. Wright Friday, October 23, 2009

  150. jrinNC Says:

    They need to take that poll down. I DO NOT believe that people would support that. I agree someone is bombing that poll.

  151. ryansgrammy Says:

    These arrogant S.O.Bees are going to be sorry come election time!

  152. jrinNC Says:

    Six Step Attitudinal Changes to Move America from a Christian-values nation to a Satanic-values nation.


    This is how this plan works silently, invisibly, and effectively in changing a person’s deeply held values and attitudes.

    Step 1. Some practice so offensive that it can scarcely be discussed in public is advocated by a RESPECTED expert in a RESPECTED forum.

    Step 2. At first, the public is shocked, then outraged.

    Step 3. But, the VERY FACT that such a thing could be publicly debated becomes the SUBJECT of the debate.

    Step 4. In the process, sheer repetition of the shocking subject under discussion gradually dulling its effect.

    Step 5. People then are no longer shocked by the subject.

    Step 6. No longer outraged, people begin to argue for positions to
    moderate the extreme; or, they accept the premise, challenging, instead, the means to ACHIEVE it.

    The Six Step Attitudinal Change Plan gives New World Order Planners the ability to silently, almost invisibly, change the attitudes and values of the entire population of a people. They must achieve this before they stage the appearance of their Christ. You will have trouble believing how much of your daily life is being manipulated, but once you understand how this is being accomplished, you can take steps to reduce its effect or eliminate it. Learn to protect your loved ones.

    The New World Order is coming! Are you ready? Once you understand what this New World Order really is, and how it is being gradually implemented, you will be able to see it progressing in your daily news!!

  153. jrinNC Says:

    Excerpts from Obama’s Columbia Thesis Reveals America’s Worst Nightmare is in the Oval Office

  154. jrinNC Says:

    Vatican Creates New Church Structure For Non-Catholics

  155. jrinNC Says:

    Star Fades for Blair in EU Role

    The odds against former British Prime Minister Tony Blair becoming the first president of the European Union appear to have lengthened.

  156. jrinNC Says:


    Sarkozy demands ex-PM Blair’s ‘coronation’

    FRENCH leader Nicolas Sarkozy is demanding a special EU summit next month to crown Tony Blair the first President of Europe.

    This should be an interesting battle and a prophetic one to boot.

  157. jrinNC Says:

    Iran to respond to UN nuke proposal next week

    Anyone want to say if they will accept or not???????

    If they accept I bet you anything they renig on it later.

  158. Troy Says:

    ryansgrammy Says:

    October 23, 2009 at 7:47 pm
    These arrogant S.O.Bees are going to be sorry come election time!
    I think there is currently about an 85% chance that we have seen our last presidential election….We will be lucky to see another congressional election in 2010…If we don’t then we certainly will never see a new pres.

  159. Troy Says:

    When Asked Where the Constitution Authorizes Congress to Order Americans To Buy Health Insurance, Pelosi Says: ‘Are You Serious?’
    by DefendUSx October 23, 2009 13:43
    Friday, October 23, 2009
    By Matt Cover, Staff Writer

    ( – When asked House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on Thursday where the Constitution authorized Congress to order Americans to buy health insurance–a mandate included in both the House and Senate versions of the health care bill–Pelosi dismissed the question by saying: “Are you serious? Are you serious?”

    Pelosi’s press secretary later responded to written follow-up questions from by emailing a press release on the “Constitutionality of Health Insurance Reform,” that argues that Congress derives the authority to mandate that people purchase health insurance from its constitutional power to regulate interstate commerce.

    The exchange with Speaker Pelosi on Thursday occurred as follows: “Madam Speaker, where specifically does the Constitution grant Congress the authority to enact an individual health insurance mandate?”

    Pelosi: “Are you serious? Are you serious?” “Yes, yes I am.”

    Pelosi then shook her head before taking a question from another reporter. Her press spokesman, Nadeam Elshami, then told that asking the speaker of the House where the Constitution authorized Congress to mandated that individual Americans buy health insurance as not a “serious question.”

    “You can put this on the record,” said Elshami. “That is not a serious question. That is not a serious question.”

    Currently, each of the five health care overhaul proposals being considered in Congress would command every American adult to buy health insurance. Any person defying this mandate would be required to pay a penalty to the Internal Revenue Service.

    In 1994, when the health care reform plan then being advanced by President Clinton called for mandating that all Americans buy health insurance, the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office studed the issue and concluded:

    “The government has never required people to buy any good or service as a condition of lawful residence in the United States. An individual mandate would have two features that, in combination, would make it unique. First, it would impose a duty on individuals as members of society. Second, it would require people to purchase a specific service that would be heavily regulated by the federal government.”

    Later on Thursday, followed up on the question, e-mailing written queries for the speaker to her Spokesman Elshami.

    “Where specifically does the Constitution authorize Congress to force Americans to purchase a particular good or service such as health insurance?” asked the speaker’s office.

    “If it is the Speaker’s belief that there is a provision in the Constitution that does give Congress this power, does she believe the Constitution in any way limits the goods and services Congress can force an individual to purchase?” asked. “If so, what is that limit?”

    Elshami responded by sending a Sept. 16 press release from the Speaker’s office entitled, “Health Insurance Reform, Daily Mythbuster: ‘Constitutionality of Health Insurance Reform.’” The press release states that Congress has “broad power to regulate activities that have an effect on interstate commerce. Congress has used this authority to regulate many aspects of American life, from labor relations to education to health care to agricultural production.”

    The release further states: “On the shared responsibility requirement in the House health insurance reform bill, which operates like auto insurance in most states, individuals must either purchase coverage (and non-exempt employers must purchase coverage for their workers)—or pay a modest penalty for not doing so. The bill uses the tax code to provide a strong incentive for Americans to have insurance coverage and not pass their emergency health costs onto other Americans—but it allows them a way to pay their way out of that obligation. There is no constitutional problem with these provisions.”

  160. Troy Says:

  161. Troy Says:

    In this video Bill Ryan mentions a scenario described to him by someone that had a ‘vision”….If this scenario were to really happen then keep in mind something called Project Bluebeam and then decide for yorselves.

    I will post info on Project Bluebeam next.

  162. Troy Says:

    Blue Beam Project
    A Simulated “Second Coming” and the Reemergence of New “MONTAUK” Type Projects

    Also Google “MONTAUK” Project

  163. Troy Says:

  164. Troy Says:

  165. Troy Says:

    I posted the above info just in case something like what Bill described really did happen…I just want people to know that there are those that have been saying for quite sometime that this was going to happen and to not necessarily believe what you are shown.

    Myself, I don’t know, but I will file away the info I have uncovered and save it for a rainy day or alien day….I don’t take to kindly to being decieved or being made a fool of, so I will be skeptical if a “scenario” does unfold.

  166. Troy Says:

    This video explains PBB a little better.

    Always be skeptical of what unfolds around us and always be skeptical of the info provided for us, including the info I have posted here…I can’t vouch for any of it, but I like to know about it in case I ever need to refer to it.

  167. Troy Says:

    Is there a new thread that I don’t know about?…Where is everyone at?


  168. jrinNC Says:

    Hey Troy, I just got back from funeral services for a church friend of mine. They held a memorial svc as he was cremated. Diagnosed with cancer just 4 months ago and died Tues. Very sad. He was 59 and would have turned 60 on 11 Nov.

  169. jrinNC Says:

    Going to watch all your videos and more than likely with comment 🙂

  170. jrinNC Says:

    duh I mean will comment

  171. Troy Says:

    😀 I’m not Obama’s elf!!!

  172. patriotamy Says:

    You are never alone at Rose’s, Troy, you know that. 🙂

  173. jrinNC Says:

    Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaay – Well I will file that away in the very back recesses of my mind. So guess I have another date to wait for 21/22 Nov.

    But I do have to mention one thing that has been bothering me since it occurred. The so called bombing of the moon into that crater. I don’t believe it was a bomb at all. I am more inclined to think it was a piece of equipment dropped into that crater – for hologram projections????? Who knows. But I do know that once that occurred, there was really not much else about it. No major news discussions showing picture after picture, no after effects of dust particles, or whatever from the so called explosion. I would tend to think that we would have seen some evidence of it here on earth. Oh well. Again all stored in the dark recesses of my mind to be remembered when they start this crap.

  174. jrinNC Says:

    Oh yeah Troy – here is something on our Oct 25 date.

  175. jrinNC Says:

    Also this is interesting to note: October 24th is the 80th anniversary of the 1929 Stock Market Crash. If the events of the above mentioned video come to pass, that will certainly attest to the premeditated “design” nature of the event due to the MIRROR IMAGE of this month’s predictions to 1929, being a 24th day to 28th day cycle of events… if it occurs.

    The initial 1929 crash occurred on Thursday, October 24, 1929, but the catastrophic downturn of Monday, October 28, and Tuesday, October 29 precipitated widespread alarm and the onset of an unprecedented and long-lasting economic depression for the United States and the world. This stock market collapse continued for ONE MONTH.

  176. jrinNC Says:

    It’s odd that it was said an October calamity will be on a “new holiday” and all assumed it was Columbus Day, perhaps it is really Mother-in-Law’s Day??? Interesting that Mother-in-Law’s Day (October 25th, 2009) is a NEW HOLIDAY that started in 2002. Well, we’ll soon see.

  177. Troy Says:

    The so called bombing of the moon into that crater. I don’t believe it was a bomb at all. I am more inclined to think it was a piece of equipment dropped into that crater
    It was my understanding that it was not a bomb, but was instead a portion or section of the craft…The kinetic energy (like an mertorite falling to earth) was to provide the bomb like effect…I never heard of it reported as a bomb…The truth of the matter is that we have absolutely no way of really knowing what the well known liars actually did on that mission.

  178. jrinNC Says:

    Well bomb or not I think it was something we would not like. You are right that “we” will never know what it actually was or what is was for. Thus my suspicions are aroused.

  179. jrinNC Says:


    “…a man in his fifties died 12 hours after receiving the Pandemrix „swine flu“ shot, which is made by GlaxoSmithKline.

    A 65-year-old women died two days after receiving the „swine flu“ jab, according to Aftonbladet.”

  180. jrinNC Says:

    Someone posted this comment on a Christian site I go to. And to be quite honest I have noticed this also in my area, even today. I was coming back from supper with my Uncle and I remarked about the clouds coming in as we are to have rain tomorrow. I noticed a really big chemtrail and pointed it to him.

    Chemtrails!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you ever notice during a clear cloudless day now, there’s nothing. But, as soon as any clouds get overhead, here they come!

  181. jrinNC Says:

    Here is why I used the word “bomb.” Guess I should have said missile or rocket. Either way the result did not occur like they thought.

    NASA’s mission to bomb the Moon

    “…carrying a missile that will blast a hole in the lunar surface at twice the speed of a bullet. The missile, a Centaur rocket, will be steered by a shepherding spacecraft that will guide it towards its target – a crater close to the Moon’s south pole. Scientists expect the blast to be so powerful that a huge plume of debris will be ejected.

  182. Troy Says:

    A friend of mine works for a very large and well known chemical company with a household name….He works in Baytown, Texas which is basically wall to wall refineries and chemical plants….Plant emissions are constantly monitored and measured by over flying helicopters that carry monitoring equipment…He said that it is a common and well known practice that on the really foggy mornings all the plants crank the valves wide open and dump massive amounts of waste.

  183. jrinNC Says:

    Troy I also live near a phosphate plant that does the same thing. Not to mention that I am only fifteen miles from the plant. It HAS affected our ground water as well.

  184. Troy Says:

    Scientists expect the blast to be so powerful that a huge plume of debris will be ejected.
    Richard Hoagland said they screwed up and hit an ancient structure / building and that it absorbed a lot of the blast so not much debris was ejected back into the moon’s gravitational field.

  185. jrinNC Says:

    Harry Reid closes in on 60 votes for a public health insurance option

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid closed in on clinching 60 votes for a public health insurance option Friday as two key moderates signaled they wouldn’t stand in his way – clearing a path for Reid to finish work on a bill as early as Tuesday, Democratic officials said.
    This old fart needs to goooooooooooooooo.

  186. Troy Says:

    live near a phosphate plant that does the same thing
    Wow…phosphate is very corrosive. 😦

  187. jrinNC Says:

    Well that is interesting to know. Hadn’t heard that part. But what did they mean an “ancient structure / building?”

  188. jrinNC Says:

    Wow…phosphate is very corrosive.
    Yes, I know. They had accident there 2 weeks ago, where something was released off loading from a train and 17 people went to the hospital.

  189. Troy Says:

    clearing a path for Reid to finish work on a bill as early as Tuesday, Democratic officials said.
    That’s ok, DC might not even still be there on Tuesday. 😀

  190. Troy Says:

    But what did they mean an “ancient structure / building?”
    LOL…What does it sound like he meant? 😉

  191. jrinNC Says:

    T. Boone Pickens on Iraq: ‘We leave there with the Chinese getting the oil’

  192. jrinNC Says:

    So is he saying that there was life on the moon?????? Duh I am very dense tonight I guess.

  193. jrinNC Says:

    That’s ok, DC might not even still be there on Tuesday.
    Wouldn’t that be a gasser. BO will blame it on the aliens for sure.

  194. jrinNC Says:

    Never mind Troy. I looked it up. Wow now this is interesting.

  195. Troy Says:

    So is he saying that there was life on the moon?????? ********************************************************
    …and on Mars and that “we” are presently there as well and have been for MANY years.

  196. Troy Says:

    Here’s the thing…It all sounds perposterous, but if there is indeed ETs that have been coming here for eons, then the rest of it all is very easily believable.

    If ET publicly introduces himself to the world then the rest is a given…Until then, I’ll stick to Obama not being eligible as the limit of my tin foil hattery…Hey, I think I just coined a new word!!!…hattery, I like it!!! 😀

  197. jrinNC Says:

    I don’t know if you remember several threads back we got into this discussion and I indicated that I had an experience, but was thwarted by an angelic spirit – but since that time which was back in 1973 – I have tried to block all this stuff out of my mind. I only did this because of the calmness I received from that spirit telling me it would pass. I have lived my life with the assurance that while I know all this stuff is true, that I have been provided assurance that it will indeed pass and I was given a gift of protection from whatever it was. To this day, I still feel that I have this protection and I can only ask that it continues, especially if all this other stuff comes to pass.

  198. jrinNC Says:

    Hey if all this stuff does occur then maybe we need to start wearing those tin foil hatteries like they did in the Mel Gibson movie SIGNS. 🙂

  199. jrinNC Says:

    Guess everyone thinks we are nutty tonight as they are not entering in on the conversation 😉

  200. jrinNC Says:

    Maybe they have a life – whereas I don’t. Speaking of which Troy – you are still young why aren’t you out there strutting your stuff with the ladies??????

  201. Troy Says:

    The whole possibility of the ETs thingamajig doesn’t really bother me at all and I feel no sense of anxiety over it…I have absolutely no problem accepting it as another part of God’s creations….If it were to turn out to be true then the worst thing people could do would be to idolize them….That is what disturbs me about all of these idiots idolizing Obama…Neither of them are God and should never be idolized or worshiped…I can think of no other injustice or sin worse than that.

  202. Troy Says:

    Guess everyone thinks we are nutty tonight as they are not entering in on the conversation
    I think it’s a good conversation!

  203. jrinNC Says:

    Well said. Like I said I feel protected and at peace. Always remember Satan is the one working here now because he knows his end is near.

  204. Troy Says:

    Maybe they have a life – whereas I don’t. Speaking of which Troy – you are still young why aren’t you out there strutting your stuff with the ladies??????
    Hehehe…I spent a large part of my life strutting my stuff…I’m chillin’ for a while…Besides, once my stuff gets strutted then they won’t leave me alone…It’s a curse I tell ya! 😉

  205. jrinNC Says:

    Remember also, he has read the Bible and knows it by heart and will do anything to mimic God. I am always telling him to get behind me. 🙂

  206. jrinNC Says:

    ROFLMAO – Wow I don’t know how to respond to that other than – Hey I strutted my stuff too a long time ago. Still have a man who is 13 yrs younger than me who still to this day tells me he loves me. But those days are long gone. I am VERY independent and no one will ever come between me and my Lord, my family and my ANIMALS, whom I love dearly.

  207. Troy Says:

    There is only one scenario in regards to ETs that would piss me off…That is, if there have been ETs here that look enough like us to pass as Eartlings and have been involved in our governments…As far as I’m concerned that would be grounds for an ET ass whoopin’….I don’t think they would appreciate us infiltrating their world and manipulating their society…I would be highly pissed to find out something like that.

  208. Troy Says:

    ROFLMAO – Wow I don’t know how to respond to that

  209. jrinNC Says:

    Well do you remember the days of comic books, like Flash Gordon and I can’t think of the name of the one I want here, but it was all about space things. Anyway, we were all amazed at the things that were in these comics, and just about everything that was in them has come to pass. So how many times have we read comics and gone to movies that show that they come to earth looking like us and passing themselves off as humans.

    Yes, I would be very upset over something like that.

  210. Troy Says:

    Hey all you lurkers out there, we’re only having a hypothetical conversation here…The water is just fine, so jump on in. 😀

  211. Troy Says:

    There are many that believe that movies, tv shows, comic books, novels, etc.., etc.. about ETs and the likes are all part of a slow and intentional acclamation proess to an eventual revelation.

  212. jrinNC Says:

    LOL – I told you they think we are a peanut here tonight. (Two nuts in the shell)

    Hey guys come out come out wherever you are. We got tired of posting the bad news and thought we would have some fun.

  213. jrinNC Says:

    But really Troy, on a more serious note – if something like this stuff comes about and it is all done intentionally, there will be many people who will die of a heart attack, not to mention suicide. I for one will be preparing my family to not be taken in and stand firm in their beliefs.

  214. jrinNC Says:

    I miss Rose when we have conversations like this. She always provides very good info on this subject.

  215. Troy Says:

    if something like this stuff comes about and it is all done intentionally, there will be many people who will die of a heart attack, not to mention suicide.
    Agreed, some people will completely wig out…That would be the rational behind keeping it secret for so long….Honestly, I don’t see what the big deal would be, unless they were hostile towards us….It wouldn’t interfere with my belief in God at all, but I’m not what one would consider to be a deeply religeous person…I’m more of a spiritual person.

  216. Troy Says:

    I miss Rose when we have conversations like this. She always provides very good info on this subject.
    I miss Rose, period!….Yes, she would enjoy this conversation.

  217. jrinNC Says:

    It was like one of your posted videos said, it would be done to eliminate people who would not follow the NWO. They would believe the lie and feel as if they had also been lied to their whole lives. I sure many would think that God had deserted them so what would be the point of living. The ones who would have heart attacks would just be so literally shocked and scared out of their wits their hearts would stop.

    Luke 21:26 Men’s hearts will fail them for fear and for looking upon those things which are coming on the earth;

  218. jrinNC Says:

    Well Troy, this has been nice, but it is almost 11:30 here and it is time for me to get some shuteye. Thanks, I needed the break from all the political stuff tonight. See ya tomorrow. Have a good night my friend.

  219. Troy Says:

    There is a new TV show “V” which is about exactly what we have been discussing here….Coincidence?

  220. jrinNC Says:

    I’m still here – yes I had seen this and even saw previews on the tv. I thought when I saw this I would like to watch it.

  221. jrinNC Says:


  222. ryansgrammy Says:

    Katie Says:

    October 23, 2009 at 4:08 pm
    Just popping in to say to Grammy – “Yipppeeeee!!” for your Mom!!
    Katie thanks so much!! Another hurdle down.

  223. Troy Says:

    No matter what is to happen I will remain, as always, skeptical…It’s just in my nature.

  224. Bones Says:

    Hi guys, just checking in…

    No aliens yet.

    I think FOX is handling the White House attacks smoooothly… not White House approved, hehheh. Glad the rest of the media realized they could be next.

    Hope everyone has sweet dreams.

  225. igaveup Says:

    Troy Says:
    October 24, 2009 at 12:12 am

    Is there a new thread that I don’t know about?…Where is everyone at?


    ***High School Football, Homecoming. Victory with 2 secs left!

  226. jrinNC Says:

    Rio battles entrenched crime prior to Olympics
    This is a shame – so much for Rio being the City of Christ.

  227. jrinNC Says:

    House Health Care Bill Exceeds $1 Trillion

    Of course it does and a whole lot more too. Why don’t they just address the escalating costs of the current system. Once this is resolved then they can work on something for those who DON’T have coverage. NOT REVAMP THE WHOLE PROCESS>

  228. patriotamy Says:

    I found an old posting that only had 3 comments on the board. In case we need another thread to post to. This one is from Oct ’08, during the time of the site we don’t mention…

    I haven’t had much time lately to post anything, but I still read every night. Sometimes as late as midnight or very early in the morning before I leave for work.

  229. Troy Says:

    Insider reveals secrets of North America plot
    No ‘conspiracy theory,’ scheme hatched by CFR was sold to Bush, now Obama
    Posted: October 23, 2009
    11:15 pm Eastern

    By Jerome R. Corsi
    © 2009 WorldNetDaily

    NEW YORK – The integration of the United States with Canada and Mexico, long deemed by many as little more than a fanciful “conspiracy theory,” was actually an idea promoted by the Council on Foreign Relations and sold to President Bush as a means of increasing commerce and business interests throughout North America, according to a top Canadian businessman.

    Thomas d’Aquino, CEO and president of the Canadian Council of Chief Executives – the Canadian counterpart to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce – confirmed in an interview recently published in Canada the accuracy of what WND first reported over three years ago: namely, that the Council on Foreign Relations was the prime mover in establishing the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America, or SPP.

    Published by the Metropolitan Corporate Counsel Oct. 4, the d’Aquino interview verifies that the creation of the SPP was not a “conspiracy theory” but a well-thought-out North American integration plan launched by his organization, the Canadian Council of Chief Executives, along with the Council on Foreign Relations in the United States.

    According to d’Aquino, President Obama wants to continue North American integration under the renamed North American Leaders Summit, provided the North American Competitiveness Council can be recast to include more environmentalists and union leaders.

    (Story continues below)

  230. Troy Says:

    Thanks Amy…We’ll use it if we need it later.

  231. ryansgrammy Says:

    Note this is from Oct. 2008 — a video where obamass talks about redistribution of wealth.

  232. Missy/Missysworld Says:

    Hi everyone..I read thru the posts but did not see that the news this morning has been posted here. “President Obama declares H1N1 Emergency” Its been on Fox News and the others this morning. He signed the declaration late Friday night. Here is a copy/paste of exactly what the goverment can do once they declare an Emergency:

    “Under the powers delegated by such statutes, the President may seize property, organize and control the means of production, seize commodities, assign military forces abroad, institute martial law, seize and control all transportation and communication, regulate the operation of private enterprise, restrict travel, and, in a variety of ways, control the lives of United States citizens. ”

    Thats all I have so far…

  233. rosettasister Says:

    Hello, everyone! I’m back!

    Thank you for your prayers and sympathies for our loss.

    Anne was a grand old lady and we gave her a grand old sendoff.

    I’ll fill you in on more details about her later.

    Suffice it to say that I’ve included a few hints in the new thread I’ve put up.

    Troy, if you’re around, I’ll check my hotmail later on today.

    And see how you’re feeling about things now.

    Unfortunately, Bill won’t be home later.

    But it will give me time to get caught up.

    Thank you, again, good people.


    New Thread:

  234. rosettasister Says:

    Missy/Missysworld Says:
    October 24, 2009 at 4:52 pm

    Hi, Missy!

    We’re over here now.

    New Thread:

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