An employer mandate by any other name would smell.

by

R. Bruce Josten

Bruce Josten

http://www.politico.com/livepulse/0909/US_Chamber_mobilizes_against_employer_mandate.html

U.S. Chamber of Commerce lobbyist Bruce Josten

“The Baucus mark takes a thoughtfully crafted and reasoned approach to preserving employer participation in the financing of health insurance.

The Chamber supports efforts to encourage employers to offer health insurance, but strongly opposes efforts which would mandate employers to provide such coverage or pay a fine.

Employers must be provided the freedom and flexibility they currently possess under ERISA or workers will lose the coverage they have.”

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(Bruce Josten is an expert, and I’m not, but this quote makes absolutely no sense to me!  He’s saying BaucusCare doesn’t have an employer mandate tax, but clearly it does.)

See the following:

The National Retail Federation (NRF)

“We strongly favor health care reform … ,” NRF Vice President and Employee Benefits Policy Counsel Neil Trautwein said.

“The ‘free-rider’ mandate under consideration by the Finance Committee may be the least onerous of the mandate proposals currently under consideration in Congress, but it would still impose significant additional costs on employers.”

(The free-rider mandate is what is in the Baucus bill.  “the least onerous of the mandate proposals”  — I just cannot take Mr. Trautwein’s word on this. Least onerous on employers maybe.  The CBO has stated this free-rider mandate will not lead to a lot of employees getting dropped.  Americans for Tax Reform has stated it will.  Who is right?)

I suspect someone is trying to pull the wool over our eyes.

night-watcher

Baucus Plan Principles

  • Creation of a Health Insurance Exchange. Insurers participating in the exchange could would be precluded from discriminating based on pre-existing conditions.
  • Expand Medicaid to all individuals below 133% of the federal poverty line.
  • Expand SCHIP to cover all children in household below 250% of the federal poverty line in 2013.
  • Reduce Medicare Part D ‘donut hole’ so that enrollees in the donut hole range only pay 50% of drug costs rather than 100%.
  • Standardize benefits into 4 categories: bronze, silver, gold and platinum.
  • Excise Tax: Levy a non‐deductible excise tax of 35% on insurance companies and plan administrators for any health insurance plan that is above the threshold of $8,000 for singles and $21,000 for family plans.
  • Individual Mandate with tax subsidies.  Those with incomes between 133% and 300% of the FPL would be eligible for these subsidies.  Those who don’t get health insurance will be subject to a fine.
  • Employers who don’t provide health insurance must contribute to a fund to cover government insurance/subsidies for these individuals. Small employers with less than 50 employees are exempted from this requirement.
  • Small business subsidy.  Businesses with the fewest workers and the lowest wages would be offered a new tax credit to purchase health insurance for their employees.  The subsidy is up to 35% of the business’s contribution.
  • $6 billion for co-ops.  This money would be used to fund the start-up costs and capital requirements for these co-ops.
  • Preventive Services: Eliminate Medicare copayment for preventive care.  Provide financial incentives to encourage Medicaid to cover preventive care services without copayments.
  • Do not cut Medicare physician payment according to the SGR.  Instead, increase Medicare physician compensation.
  • Malpractice reform. Allow states to develop alternatives to the current tort litigation system.

Practically all the articles written about the Baucus free-rider mandate address how the mandate will affect employers who do not provide coverage.  How will free-rider affect employers who do provide coverage?

(I tried, I could not find ONE YouTube on the Baucus free-rider mandate.)

Video from the Finance Committee meeting on the health care reform bill on Sept. 22.

Senator Enzi is in a Finance Committee meeting working on making changes to the Finance Committee health care bill.

He is ready to offer about 20 amendments to improve the bill.

166 Responses to “An employer mandate by any other name would smell.”

  1. Katie Says:

    FIRST???

  2. Katie Says:

    Waahoooooooo!!

  3. Katie Says:

    Personally, I don’t care whose plan it is, what it’s called, what it does or doesn’t do, it’s all the same. It’s NOT about health care, or insurance, or reform, or helping Americans.

    IT’S A DANGEROUS FORM OF SLAVERY.

  4. rosettasister Says:

    Reposting from previous thread:

    rosettasister Says:
    September 25, 2009 at 5:07 pm

    Bruce Josten

    Chamber of Commerce Lobbyist: ‘We Want Reform’

    http://health.cyooh.com/chamber-of-commerce-lobbyist-%E2%80%98we-want-reform%E2%80%99/

    The Chamber of Commerce has run ads attacking some Democratic health overhaul proposals. But that doesn’t mean the group is lining up squarely behind Republicans.

    “The reality with the business community is that we want reform, while some Republicans want to stop this train and start over,” Bruce Josten, the chamber’s chief lobbyist, told the WSJ. “That is just not going to happen.”

    David Camp, a Republican congressman, argued that the Baucus bill is unlikely to keep its support from the business community. “I wouldn’t confuse pleasant noises about the Baucus bill with an endorsement,” he told the WSJ. “If this bill tacks left, which it is already doing, business won’t support it.”

    (I’d like to ask Mr. Josten why he supports the employer mandate tax in BaucusCare. Is it because he knows it will lead to employers dropping coverage? And this is ultimately what employers want? As I said before, I don’t mind shopping around and purchasing a private plan on my own. But if my employer is not subsidizing me and I don’t qualify for govt subsidies, then how will I be able to afford a plan comparable to the plan I have now?)

    Employer Mandate Tax. $400 per employee if health coverage is not offered. Note: this is a huge incentive to drop coverage, as $400 is much less than the average plan cost of $11,000 for families or $5000 for singles (Source: AHIP)

  5. rosettasister Says:

    Katie,

    I still maintain something will pass this year, probably with Snowe’s trigger.

    And the devil really is in the details.

  6. rosettasister Says:

    Thank you for this, Troy! This is very helpful.

    http://toptenhealthcarequestions.com/poll.php

  7. Fernley Girl Says:

    Rush is saying if you don’t pay the $1900 penalty for not buying health ins. you will be subject to 1 yr. in prison & 25K fines. WTF… talk about a police state!!

    My score was 80/100= Libertarian. Rose, what’s your score?

  8. Fernley Girl Says:

    Link to info on fine and jail

    http://www.politico.com/livepulse/0909/Ensign_receives_handwritten_confirmation_.html?showall

  9. rosettasister Says:

    Rose, what’s your score?

    The CBO hasn’t “scored” me yet!

  10. rosettasister Says:

    America’s Health Insurance Plans (AHIP)

    http://www.ahipresearch.org/pdfs/AHIPGuaranteeAccessPlan.pdf

    While AHIP is not advocating an individual mandate, we have
    explored this issue and have identified five critical steps that states would have to follow to achieve universal participation:

    • Develop an insurance coverage verification system;

    • Enforce the requirement to purchase and maintain coverage;

    • Establish an automatic enrollment process and be prepared to provide backstop funding if individuals do not fulfill their responsibility to purchase coverage;

    • Create a premium subsidy program for moderate- and low-income individuals and families, as well as provide additional assistance for those with high health care costs; and

    • Fund coverage initiatives from a broad base of sources.

  11. rosettasister Says:

    What a novel idea!

    Call for self-sufficiency of Medicare

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f5317516-a928-11de-9b7f-00144feabdc0.html

    President Barack Obama has said that up to $500bn in Medicare costs could be saved over a decade by increasing efficiencies and trimming the “fat” out of the system.

    But Ms Ignagni said that the underfunding of Medicare and Medicaid means that costs were shifted onto the private sector. Medicare is now funded at about 85 per cent of costs and Medicaid at 65 per cent of costs, she said.

    “On average the private sector is paying 135-140 per cent of cost to subsidise the underfunding of Medicare and Medicaid, so the existence of the private sector allows Medicare to pay less,” she told reporters, adding that this “cost shifting” added $1,500 to the average family’s insurance bills every year.

    “If [members of Congress] only do cost containment on the Medicare side there needs to be a very specific provision that prohibits cost shifting because if not, those costs too will be shifted to every working a man and woman, every small business, every individual paying for coverage,” she said.

    (So if Medicare and Medicaid are so inefficient, why would we want some more of that?)

  12. rosettasister Says:

    Utopia: The Land of Ideal Health Care

    by Victor Morawski

    http://race42008.com/2009/09/15/utopia-the-land-of-ideal-health-care/

    Now boys and girls, I want to tell you a wonderful fairy tale about a talismanic land where only happy endings are allowed. And all you have to do is surrender your “liberty and freedom for all.”

    You all know that Ezekiel “Zeke” Emanuel was aboard the Clinton Express when it tried to take us to the magical world of universal health care in the early 90s. Sadly, that train broke down on the way and never arrived at Utopia.

    But, not to worry, because now Zeke has boarded another train, the ObamaCare Special. And, it is leaving the station for the same destination.

    Now, you’re probably wondering what you will find in Zeke’s Utopia. How will your needs be met? And what will this live-long life of lollipop and roses cost? Well, again, not to worry. You seek Zeke has already written a wonderful travel guide about his magical land of health care reform. Its title is “A Comprehensive Cure: Universal Health Care Vouchers.” And it reads a lot like “Alice in Wonderland.”

    Zeke’s Utopia is an enchanted place where everyone receives a standard package of wonderful health care services, “regardless of age, income, employment, health, or marital status.” And all you need to pay for any of this is your complimentary “Health Care Voucher.” Once in Utopia, you can take your ticket to any private health plan provider or insurer, and you are guaranteed a basic benefit package.

    How’s that for happily ever aftering?

    ***

    (I realize Mr. Morawski is being sarcastic here. Unless I’m mistaken, Switzerland utilizes these “Universal Health Care Vouchers.” But the government only subsidizes the poor. BTW, the Swiss don’t have any govt-run health care at all. Only private insurers who don’t “strive” for profits, to be sure. I’m pretty sure that the non-poor Swiss (who are gainfully employed) get one of these vouchers from their employer and then use that to shop around for a private plan. And it works!)

    (This is why I’m so concerned about this free-rider mandate which may “incentivize” employers to drop coverage. I’d be okay with that if I knew my employer was going to hand me one of these vouchers.)

    (If my employer drops me, do I get a tax credit? And even if I do, aren’t employers just handing off this burden to the govt, which means to taxpayers?)

    (So what if I get a tax credit to help pay for a private plan, if I’m paying higher taxes elsewhere to pay for HCR.)

    (Unless Americans for Tax Reform is wrong about employers dropping coverage, seems to me no matter which scenario plays out, employers are getting off way too easy if they only have to pay $400 for the privilege of dumping me.)

  13. CJ Says:

    Tried the quiz: my score was 80/90. Libertarian too. Who would have guessed? lol. Actually, I think I’ve always been much more in the conservative group than showed in this quiz. As I grow older though and especially since the One ascended to his faux throne, I am surely becoming a true Libertarian.

  14. jrinNC Says:

    my score was 80/90. Libertarian as well.

  15. rosettasister Says:

    Health Insurance in Switzerland

    posted april 15, 2008

    Average monthly family premium: $750, paid entirely by consumers; there are government subsidies for low-income citizens.

    (I’ve read elsewhere that employers fund part of the expense to purchase “basic” coverage, which is required by law. Many Swiss purchase “supplemental” plans on their own which would be included in that $750 per month figure.)

    Co-payments: 10 percent of the cost of services, up to $420 per year.

    What is it? The Swiss system is social insurance like in Japan and Germany, voted in by a national referendum in 1994.

    Switzerland didn’t have far to go to achieve universal coverage; 95 percent of the population already had voluntary insurance when the law was passed.

    All citizens are required to have coverage; those not covered were automatically assigned to a company.

    The government provides assistance to those who can’t afford the premiums.

    How does it work? The Swiss example shows that universal coverage is possible, even in a highly capitalist nation with powerful insurance and pharmaceutical industries.

    Insurance companies are not allowed to make a profit on basic care and are prohibited from cherry-picking only young and healthy applicants.

    They can make money on supplemental insurance, however.

    As in Germany, the insurers negotiate with providers to set standard prices for services, but drug prices are set by the government.

    (Bear in mind that a prime motivator for many in favor of HCR is the desire to pass on an inheritance to children and grandchildren, instead of seeing their life savings dwindle away paying for catastrophic health care costs at the end of one’s life on this earth.)

  16. CJ Says:

    If posted already, I apologize, but go have a look at the repubx(?) site and check out the videos of the riot police at the U of Pittsburgh. Reminds me of the 60’s. Wow, not sure what these kids were doing but yikes. Sorry didn’t grab the link.

  17. Troy Says:

    Mine was 50/90 and right on the line between Libertarian and Conservative….The 50 was a surprise to me.

  18. rosettasister Says:

    bbl

  19. CJ Says:

    Rose we all pretty much agree that healthcare reform is sorely needed but HR 3200 is NOT the answer by a long shot. The Swiss plan is worth a look but try and convince our clueless Congress to go that route. Good luck with that. It’s a mess of humongous proportions with noe good end in sight at this point. One thing I will never think is good in any form is govt. management of our primary healthcare.

  20. Fernley Girl Says:

    US Government Suspended Limits on The Amount of Mercury in H1N1 Swine Flu Vaccine

    Washington : Recently we reported about Australians among the first to get “swine flu” vaccine which containing 50 ug mercury.

    And now Washington health officials have temporarily suspended limits on the amount of mercury allowed in the upcoming H1N1 influenza vaccine for pregnant women and children younger than 3 years old.

    The move comes after Health Secretary Mary Selecky was informed that the initial batches of vaccines against the swine flu may not include enough doses that were specially packaged without thimerosal, a mercury-containing preservative.

    The preservative is controversial among some people who believe that it may be linked to autism and other childhood disorders.

    Selecky said the suspension is designed to ensure that pregnant women and children have access to the vaccines, even though they may contain thimerosal.

    The swine flu vaccines will be available in early October, while the seasonal flu vaccines are available now.

    For more detail Visit : http://www.doh.wa.gov/Publicat/2009_news/09-154.htm

    http://www.repubx.com/

  21. ali Says:

    Hi Rosetta,
    It’s been a long time since I last posted. My computer kinda crashed. Hopefully it’s fixed. What has happened to Larry Sinclair’s site? I was denied access. Oh well!!! I hope you don’t mind my dropping in from time to time!!

  22. Fernley Girl Says:

    Rose, I goofed and put two links in my post. I am in moderation.

  23. calli Says:

    Rosetta,
    I wrote in my username ali!! Sorry about that!! I don’t need anymore troubles with my computer!!

  24. sisterrosetta Says:

    Venezuela seeking uranium with Iran’s help

    http://www.thenewstribune.com/apheadlines/story/893230.html?source=rss

  25. calli Says:

    I’m glad you guys are not liberals. Most think they are the cat’s meow!!!!

  26. rosettasister Says:

    http://m.twitter.com/iraniscc

  27. rosettasister Says:

    Hello to CAlli from bberry

    Bbl

  28. Troy Says:

    Just for the record, I do not think that Osama Bin Laden is alive….I tend to take Bhutto’s word for it when she said that he was assasinated years ago, but our “honest” government continues to perpetuate the myth….So, I’m just reporting what I find….Side note: It doesn’t mean that al Qaeda isn’t alive and well.
    **********************************************************
    Yet Another bin Laden Video to Europe (UPDATE: al Qaeda Plot in the Works?)

    Another audio of Osama bin Laden was released today. I have it, but have not yet watched it. I’ll just link an MSM report, with the promise of further analysis later if it’s merited.

    I’ll just note that bin Laden’s message appears to be directed at European countries. The timing, though, probably means that it was geared at affecting the outcome of this weekend’s elections in Germany. The ruling center-right coalition is expected to win.

    The audio is probably meant to scare Germans into rethinking who they vote for because the present government supports a continued presence in Afghanistan. As evidence that this is bin Laden’s intent, note the reference to the Madrid bombing. And the fact that it was only four minutes long means it was probably thrown together last minute. Also, the message was sent out translated into German.

    The rest is here: http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/198976.php

  29. Bones Says:

    90/100 Libertarian 🙂

  30. Troy Says:

  31. Troy Says:

    Bones Says:

    September 25, 2009 at 10:54 pm
    90/100 Libertarian
    ***************************
    I’m jealous!… 🙂

    Can I take the quiz again? 😉

  32. Troy Says:

    All of the videos that I’ve looked at from the G20 protests that show police attcking students are genuine except for this hoax….Don’t fall for this one…It seems that I definitely was not the only one that smelled a rat on this one.
    ***********************
    http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/292825.php

  33. sdee Says:

    Get the message?

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c60bf53ef0120a5f1037b970c-700wi

  34. Troy Says:

    http://countusout.wordpress.com/

    Seen On TV! infomercial running on CBS “Where was Obama Born?” Part One & Two

  35. Troy Says:

  36. Troy Says:

  37. Troy Says:

  38. Troy Says:

    sdee Says:

    September 25, 2009 at 11:31 pm
    Get the message?

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c60bf53ef0120a5f1037b970c
    ***********************************************************
    It looks like the perfect opportunity for about 50,000 SAMS (Surface to Ass Missiles) 😉

  39. joldy Says:

    sdee, just clicked on your link.
    Asked my husband if he wanted to see what 50,000 asses looked like, boy did I get a look an a big WHAT? LOL

  40. joldy Says:

    Troy did you see this a Leo’s

    Texo Says:

    September 25, 2009 at 5:22 pm

    On another note Troy said “Fe, Fi, Fo, Fum I smell the blood of government scum”

    Put that one at the top of my home page Troy. Link to above also on home page.

    http://www.dixhistory.com/

  41. Troy Says:

    It appears that Gary Kreep doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to the requirements of NBC status….What a dufus!!!

  42. joldy Says:

    I missed Glenn today, was there anything big or new?
    Anyone watch?

  43. sdee Says:

    joldy Says:
    September 25, 2009 at 11:53 pm

    sdee, just clicked on your link.
    Asked my husband if he wanted to see what 50,000 asses looked like, boy did I get a look an a big WHAT?
    ************************

    lol – hey I think Pamla Geller should run a cation contest.

    That is one phoot i hope every Dhimmi press outlet runs full color full page.

  44. Troy Says:

    Put that one at the top of my home page Troy.

    😀

  45. Troy Says:

    joldy Says:

    September 25, 2009 at 11:56 pm
    I missed Glenn today, was there anything big or new?
    Anyone watch?
    ************************
    Was there anything big????…Oh, yes indeed there was….They interupted his show after just a few minutes to air Obama’s BIG ass ears during his G20 speech / lie…Yes, big indeed. 😦

  46. sdee Says:

    Troy Says:

    It looks like the perfect opportunity for about 50,000 SAMS (Surface to Ass Missiles) 😉
    ***********************

    hey come to think of it the range charges a buck for those paper target of OsamaBL …..hmmmmm

  47. joldy Says:

    Troy Says:

    September 26, 2009 at 12:02 am
    joldy Says:

    September 25, 2009 at 11:56 pm
    I missed Glenn today, was there anything big or new?
    Anyone watch?
    ************************
    Was there anything big????…Oh, yes indeed there was….They interupted his show after just a few minutes to air Obama’s BIG ass ears during his G20 speech / lie…Yes, big indeed.

    Thanks Troy!
    GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

    I have this fly bugging me I am trying to do an obama swat… not having much luck… pesty darn thing

  48. sdee Says:

    this is kinda of random but sometimes I see us going they same way as the UK

    “”The UK has an extensive network of automatic number plate recognition cameras, says Wikipedia. Effectively, the police and Security services track all car movements around the country and are able to track any car in close to real time. One of the biggest challenges with ALPR technology in the US is the accuracy of the Optical Character Recognition (OCR) — since each state has multiple license plate designs that must be recognized by the system. “”

    not too hard a challenge to overcome.

    http://www.dailywireless.org/2009/09/22/automatic-license-plate-readers-deliver-custom-ads/

  49. Troy Says:

    Glenn Beck will re-air tonight without the BIG ass ears interuption.

  50. joldy Says:

    Troy Says:

    September 26, 2009 at 12:10 am
    Glenn Beck will re-air tonight without the BIG ass ears interuption.

    Guess I will have to stay up late an catch him.
    was hoping to crash early, long day and early start in the morning, going camping on my folk’s warm. It’s their 59th ann. on Sat.
    All 8 of us kids, our spouces and all the grand kids.
    I need sleep but guess I can try on the 3 hr. trip down.

  51. sdee Says:

    comment on the Atlas Shrugs about the Mooslum March

    “”Oh, and yes! I’d rather be beheaded with a plastic picnic spoon. . . oh, what the heck: I’d rather be beheaded with a styrofoam cup. . . than belong to a “religion” that consistently had some guy’s ass in my face!”

    😀

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/09/islamis-supremacism-in-america-in-the-capital-the-culture-colonization.html#comments

  52. sdee Says:

    Troy Says:
    Glenn Beck will re-air tonight without the BIG ass ears interuption.
    **************

    Know what time Troy? Gotta get near a TV – I always miss Beck. 🙂

  53. Troy Says:

    Know what time Troy? Gotta get near a TV – I always miss Beck.
    *****************************************************
    1:00 AM CST

  54. Troy Says:

    . . than belong to a “religion” that consistently had some guy’s ass in my face!”
    *********************************
    I’ll bet that eating beans is against their religion…If it’s not then it damn sure should be. 😉

  55. Troy Says:

    Did y’all see my post yesterday where the Islamoterrorists suicide bombers are getting away from the back-pack bombs (because folks are on the look-out for back-packs now) and are instead shoving TNT up their rectums….The last one, that tried to kill a Saudi Prince, blew his own ass off and the Saudi was unscaved.

  56. sdee Says:

    Ron Paul And Michelle Bachman live townhall running now on Web.

    Young Americans for Liberty

    mms://wmv.uvs.umn.edu/paul-bachman/video

  57. Troy Says:

    Marmaduke Ibitarod flips Obama the middle finger.
    ******************************************
    Tehran dumps dollar for euro
    by Martin MorrisThis email address is being protected from spam bots, you need Javascript enabled to view it on Monday, 21 September 2009

    MAHMOUD AHMADINEJAD: Iranian president signs-off on move to demote US dollar. (Getty Images)Iran’s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has ordered the replacement of the US dollar by the euro in calculating the value of the country’s Oil Stabilisation Fund (OSF).

    The story here: http://www.arabianbusiness.com/568241-tehran-dumps-dollar-for-euro

  58. Troy Says:

    sdee Says:

    September 26, 2009 at 12:44 am
    Ron Paul And Michelle Bachman live townhall running now on Web.

    Young Americans for Liberty

    mms://wmv.uvs.umn.edu/paul-bachman/video
    ****************************************
    Thanks sdee, that should be a good one.

  59. jrinNC Says:

    From Senator Richard Burr, NC, weekly newsletter I receive:

    An amendment introduced by Senator Bunning (R-KY) that required the health care reform bill and estimates of its costs to be available to the public 72 hours before the final vote in the Finance Committee was rejected by a vote of 11-12. This amendment would have given Senators and the American people the opportunity to analyze and understand what is being voted on by the Committee. Chairman Max Baucus (D-MT) introduced a modified version of the amendment, which passed on a party-line vote, that requires that only “conceptual” language (essentially a summary) and cost analysis be available at some point before the Finance Committee votes.

    I got the chance this week to speak about health care reform with Jon Scott and Jane Skinner on Fox News’ Happening Now. As I’ve noted before, I agree that reform is needed, but the proposal put forth and now being debated in the Senate Finance Committee fails several crucial tests. The bill cuts Medicare by almost half a trillion dollars, increases spending and raises taxes.

  60. igaveup Says:

    From Lame Cherry, couldn’t have said it better.

    “The Obama Rummage Sale, he has sold the best of America for their debt and left America with nothing but his garbage.”

  61. Troy Says:

  62. Troy Says:

    J.B. WILLIAMS ON THE SUBJECT OF INTERNAL OVERTHROW OF U.S. GOVERMENT (CLICK HERE)

    From the L. A. Times

    1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County ( L.. A. County has 10.2 million people)are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.

    2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

    3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.

    4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

    5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.

    6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.

    7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.

    8 Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

    9. 21 radio stations in L. A. are Spanish speaking.

    10.. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish.

    (There are 10.2 million people in L. A. County . )
    ~~~~~~~~~~
    Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare. Over 70% of the United States ‘ annual population growth(and over 90% of California , Florida , and New York ) results from immigration. 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens .

    We are a bunch of fools for letting this continue!

    http://jaghunters.blogspot.com/

  63. sdee Says:

    jrinNC Says:
    September 26, 2009 at 1:15 am
    ***************

    Burr finding a little spine JR?

    A couple of my letters to him included the words “your silence is deafening” 🙂

  64. Troy Says:

    http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/14945

    Illegal Migrants and the Aztlan Movement

    Obama’s Public Health Option and Amnesty
    By JB Williams Monday, September 21, 2009

    Settle in for a long read… There is NO way to do this topic justice in a column length article. But there is NO more important topic to cover today!

    South Carolina Representative Joe Wilson became Democrats’ public enemy #1 when he recently shouted out “YOU LIE!” at Mr. Obama during his internationally televised special address to a joint session of congress. Joe Wilson was the ONLY individual in that joint session who was telling the truth that day!

    Obama was indeed lying, as he has been consistently since the moment he arrived on the political scene.

    Joe Wilson was the ONLY individual in both houses of congress with the guts to say so. He has since been reprimanded by his fellow members of the House, and the Obama lies have been buried with rushed alterations to the public health bill which will indeed offer free (taxpayer funded) health care to illegal immigrants. But that’s just the beginning of the story!

    We are in a very dangerous place in history and if American citizens don’t wake up, take note and take action immediately, we will soon find themselves the only people living in America, without any Constitutional rights.

    The administration of “hope and change” represents hope and change for everyone in the world except legal United States citizens. Their domestic policies are very popular with groups that stand opposed to all things American, and their foreign policies serve only America’s enemies abroad.

    The Obama administration hasn’t only abandoned the “war on terror,” they are extending US Constitutional rights to known terrorists here and abroad. Our soldiers are forced to Mirandize enemy combatants on foreign soil, in an insane attempt to turn a real war into some police matter in which the terrorists have civil rights under US law.

    As American citizens are stripped of their individual constitutional rights daily, those rights are being offered to terrorists, illegal migrants and third world thugs. It doesn’t take a constitutional scholar to recognize that legal US citizens are under attack from within. But it does take some effort to understand why, how, and what to do about it.

    Let this stand as a warning to all legal US citizens. The terms “American” and “Americans” have been rewritten to include everyone sympathetic to the international leftist agenda of destroying the United States of America. Legal US citizens—taxpayers!—are the target of people who plan to dismantle the United States, reducing our nation to a third world socio-economic status.

    The United States faces three very formidable enemies today, all of which are represented by the new US administration.

    •Extreme Islam
    •The Aztlan Movement
    •International Secular Socialism

    All three of these enemies are moving as one within the new administration. All three movements are anti-US, anti-imperialist and anti-capitalist movements.

    continue reading…. http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/14945

  65. Troy Says:

    Illegal Migrants and the Aztlan Movement

    Obama’s Public Health Option and Amnesty
    By JB Williams Monday, September 21, 2009

    Settle in for a long read… There is NO way to do this topic justice in a column length article. But there is NO more important topic to cover today!

    South Carolina Representative Joe Wilson became Democrats’ public enemy #1 when he recently shouted out “YOU LIE!” at Mr. Obama during his internationally televised special address to a joint session of congress. Joe Wilson was the ONLY individual in that joint session who was telling the truth that day!

    Obama was indeed lying, as he has been consistently since the moment he arrived on the political scene.

    Joe Wilson was the ONLY individual in both houses of congress with the guts to say so. He has since been reprimanded by his fellow members of the House, and the Obama lies have been buried with rushed alterations to the public health bill which will indeed offer free (taxpayer funded) health care to illegal immigrants. But that’s just the beginning of the story!

    We are in a very dangerous place in history and if American citizens don’t wake up, take note and take action immediately, we will soon find themselves the only people living in America, without any Constitutional rights.

    The administration of “hope and change” represents hope and change for everyone in the world except legal United States citizens. Their domestic policies are very popular with groups that stand opposed to all things American, and their foreign policies serve only America’s enemies abroad.

    The Obama administration hasn’t only abandoned the “war on terror,” they are extending US Constitutional rights to known terrorists here and abroad. Our soldiers are forced to Mirandize enemy combatants on foreign soil, in an insane attempt to turn a real war into some police matter in which the terrorists have civil rights under US law.

    As American citizens are stripped of their individual constitutional rights daily, those rights are being offered to terrorists, illegal migrants and third world thugs. It doesn’t take a constitutional scholar to recognize that legal US citizens are under attack from within. But it does take some effort to understand why, how, and what to do about it.

    Let this stand as a warning to all legal US citizens. The terms “American” and “Americans” have been rewritten to include everyone sympathetic to the international leftist agenda of destroying the United States of America. Legal US citizens—taxpayers!—are the target of people who plan to dismantle the United States, reducing our nation to a third world socio-economic status.

    The United States faces three very formidable enemies today, all of which are represented by the new US administration.

    •Extreme Islam
    •The Aztlan Movement
    •International Secular Socialism

    All three of these enemies are moving as one within the new administration. All three movements are anti-US, anti-imperialist and anti-capitalist movements.

    continue reading…. http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/14945

  66. sdee Says:

    Pretty sobering stuff Troy. We must fight on multiple fronts.

    Ok my turn…. Does anyone not beleive we no choice but to tar feather and run out of town our politicians at both state and federal levels?

    Vote em all out.

  67. Troy Says:

    Vote em all out.
    ***************
    at least 95% of them for sure.

  68. sdee Says:

    It never ends! – Any doubts now that the White House is 100% aligned with radical Muslims ?!?!

    Hats off to Representative Mark Kirk (R-IL)

    (I did not know there were any Reblicans in Illinois 🙂 )

    **********************

    “”The State Department has designated $400,000 in international aid funds for two foundations run by the children of Libyan dictator Muammar Kaddafi, a move that two Republican members of Congress today called a misuse of taxpayer funds that should be immediately cut off by President Obama.””

    “”Rep. Mark Kirk, an Illinois Republican who serves on the House appropriations subcommittee that oversees foreign-aid funding, asked President Obama to withdraw the funding request,””

    “”A senior State Department official said that department officials were “reworking” a $2.5 million foreign-aid earmark for Libya that, according to a memo to Congress sent last week and reported by NEWSWEEK on Thursday afternoon, was to include $400,0000 for two foundations─one headed by Kaddafi’s son Saif al-Islam al-Gaddafi, and another headed by his daughter.””

    http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/thegaggle/archive/2009/09/24/state-department-gives-controversial-grants-to-kadaffi-s-kids.aspx

  69. sdee Says:

    Troy Says:
    Vote em all out.
    ***************
    at least 95% of them for sure.
    *********************************

    Yeah – Ten’s drummed that home to me 🙂

    But you know how we right wing extremist are …guess I can’t help it

  70. jrinNC Says:

    sdee Says:
    September 26, 2009 at 2:04 am

    jrinNC Says:
    September 26, 2009 at 1:15 am
    ***************

    Burr finding a little spine JR?
    **************************************************
    Gotta say I am beginning to be a little bit more impressed with him. After all I know I have hounded him 🙂

  71. jrinNC Says:

    Tar and feathers – You got that. I stated that a few threads back that maybe I need to get my tar and feathers after all I am from the tarheel state.

  72. jrinNC Says:

    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1253627557197&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

    Abbas: We can’t return to negotiations

    NOTE THE LOOK ON BO’S FACE

  73. jrinNC Says:

    US May Face ‘Armageddon’ If China, Japan Don’t Buy Debt
    Published: Thursday, 24 Sep 2009

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/33004753

    Robertson said in an interview. “I don’t know where we could get the money. I think we’ve let ourselves get in a terrible situation and I think we ought to try and get out of it.”

  74. sdee Says:

    jrinNC Says:
    Gotta say I am beginning to be a little bit more impressed with him. After all I know I have hounded him
    **************************************

    Yeah he gets it but I will remain wary still – l just can’t trust any of ’em who have been there more than 5 years or so. Hard to survive in a den of thieves without becoming one.

    He (his office) responded to the smartazz letter I sent after getting back form DC.

    ” I am pleased to know that you were part of the Freedom Works rally in Washington DC”

    spine maybe, or could be he’s just realizing we’ve figured out the game? 🙂

  75. Troy Says:

    I guess all of us Texans should put on our pointy cowboy boots and kick the chit out of ’em on their way out…Yeee Haaaw!

  76. Troy Says:

    I think we’ve let ourselves get in a terrible situation and I think we ought to try and get out of it.”
    ********************************************************
    Oh gee!, ya think???….Doh!!!!

  77. jrinNC Says:

    LOL Troy you do the kicking – sdee and I will do the tar and feathering

  78. Troy Says:

    😀

  79. sdee Says:

    jrinNC Says: 2009 at 2:54 am
    Abbas: We can’t return to negotiations
    *******************************

    Guess Bo found out just how much $900M in aid and 15,000 in fully paid scholarships actually buys.

  80. jrinNC Says:

    well guys I am calling it a night – so good night to all.

  81. Troy Says:

    g’nite jr…I’m waiting for Beck to re-air

  82. sdee Says:

    Pamela Geller posted this after Netanyahu’s UN Speech.

    Bob Dylan on Israel

    Well, the neighborhood bully, he’s just one man,
    His enemies say he’s on their land.
    They got him outnumbered about a million to one,
    He got no place to escape to, no place to run.
    He’s the neighborhood bully.

    The neighborhood bully just lives to survive,
    He’s criticized and condemned for being alive.
    He’s not supposed to fight back, he’s supposed to have thick skin,
    He’s supposed to lay down and die when his door is kicked in.
    He’s the neighborhood bully.

    The neighborhood bully been driven out of every land,
    He’s wandered the earth an exiled man.
    Seen his family scattered, his people hounded and torn,
    He’s always on trial for just being born.
    He’s the neighborhood bully.

    Well, he knocked out a lynch mob, he was criticized,
    Old women condemned him, said he should apologize.
    Then he destroyed a bomb factory, nobody was glad.
    The bombs were meant for him.
    He was supposed to feel bad.
    He’s the neighborhood bully.

    Well, the chances are against it and the odds are slim
    That he’ll live by the rules that the world makes for him,
    ‘Cause there’s a noose at his neck and a gun at his back
    And a license to kill him is given out to every maniac.
    He’s the neighborhood bully.

    He got no allies to really speak of.
    What he gets he must pay for, he don’t get it out of love.
    He buys obsolete weapons and he won’t be denied
    But no one sends flesh and blood to fight by his side.
    He’s the neighborhood bully.

    Well, he’s surrounded by pacifists who all want peace,
    They pray for it nightly that the bloodshed must cease.
    Now, they wouldn’t hurt a fly.
    To hurt one they would weep.
    They lay and they wait for this bully to fall asleep.
    He’s the neighborhood bully.

    Every empire that’s enslaved him is gone,
    Egypt and Rome, even the great Babylon.
    He’s made a garden of paradise in the desert sand,
    In bed with nobody, under no one’s command.
    He’s the neighborhood bully.

    Now his holiest books have been trampled upon,
    No contract he signed was worth what it was written on.
    He took the crumbs of the world and he turned it into wealth,
    Took sickness and disease and he turned it into health.
    He’s the neighborhood bully.

    What’s anybody indebted to him for?
    Nothin’, they say.
    He just likes to cause war.
    Pride and prejudice and superstition indeed,
    They wait for this bully like a dog waits to feed.
    He’s the neighborhood bully.

    What has he done to wear so many scars?
    Does he change the course of rivers?
    Does he pollute the moon and stars?
    Neighborhood bully, standing on the hill,
    Running out the clock, time standing still,
    Neighborhood bully.

  83. Troy Says:

    Barack Hussein Obama…mmm…mmm…mmm
    He lives in Reggie’s pajamas…mmm…mmm…mmm
    Barack Hussein Obama…mmm…mmm…mmm
    He’s black, but has a white momma…mmm…mmm…mmm
    Barack Hussein Obama…puke…puke…puke
    ***************************************************
    News related to “I am Barak Obama” Play
    by DefendUSx September 25, 2009 21:53

    Dear Dr Denise King and Mrs Carol Zulla

    I am Earl Lofland, President of the Delaware Chapter Knights of the Innocent. We are a National Child Advocacy Organization which focuses upon protecting children from being harmed physically Mentally or otherwise.
    About a year ago, we were given the task to investigate a similar action, for why I am writing to you- which place in an elementary school in North Carolina. Where the School Districts Superintendent it was also deemed by the School Districts Superintendent as indoctrination of the students.

    Our organization has helped children in Iraq as well as other locations all over the world. One incident I will be addressing to you later in this letter.

    Recently you have been the focal point related to a play that took place at your school. Where children where shown practicing in your Schools Auditorium.
    One person I am aware of who has contacted you are members of the press one being Ms Michelle Malken who has contacted you and Ms. Nuse regarding this matter.
    I want to stress to you that it is very important as you are aware to protect children any actions that hinders their ability of free thinking. These types of actions have been what draws many parents to realize the dangers that this play creates.
    Although it does not stop there with just the play. As Harmless as you have stated its intentions were.
    It is important to first bring to your attention about a book that was written and the author of this book.

    Charisse Carney-Nunes .She is the person who originally posted the video on youtube which she has recently removed. of the recital done in your school.
    My first question would be: If this was such an innocent play why would this person pull the video from youtube? Unless there were some controversial issues involved in what would be considered subliminal messaging or Indoctrination.

    By her being the person who originally posted the video on youtube leaves many to draw the conclusion; she was present at the school when this practice and possibly the play had been performed.

    Note in the photograph on the Left had side a Poster I am Barrak Obama on a Stand.

    This is arguably not a children’s book. This is a book that describes the life of a President. A Documentary of sorts, that the average elementary student would be less likely to read, (unless they were forced as a curriculum by the School Administration or by the Principle themself.
    Was this book required reading for the student body?

    Were parents informed prior to the book being required to be read to the students?

    Were parents given ample time to decide on whether they wanted their child to be opt out of this reading and program?

    Were parents informed of the play in enough time that if they objected to this activity, they could arrange for their child be involved in another activity that the parent would find more acceptable in recognizing Black History Month?
    How much information did the school give to the parents for them to fully understand what the play was about?

    Unless parents were forewarned of this activity in detail and given opportunity to remove their children from an extra curricular activity this is then an indoctrination scheme that was used by the school to promote a book that was authored by a person who has personal interest in the Programs success and not as much interest in the Actual issues of recognizing Black History Month..

    For example: Would you ever have your class reflect recognizing Frederick K.C. Price for Black History Month? He has achieved that which would reflect someone who should be recognized for Black History Month for what he has accoplished.

    Their also is another question:, Did your school have any other Programs similar to this that was recognizing any other US Presidents?
    If not why?

    I on behalf of parents and protecting children from any form of abus have many problems with progams such as this one. Not based upon an racial issues. I am not interested in what color a persons skin is. My Main focus is based solely upon what a child is forced to do by an adult that can be harmful to them
    Indoctrination of a Child is just as abusive to a child as harming them physically.

    One member of the 1st Continental Congress; Benjamin Franklin was against any form of . Socialized Prgrams and Government intervention such as we have seen in not just this administration yet a slippery slope for decades.. He Promoted Moral responsibility and accountability of individuals and even businesses.
    When you look at the many agendas that are being set forth and have been agendas there lays a disaster waiting to happen. One where the people of the States are indoctrinated with Government should provide for the people instead of what was originally designed and can be shown by studies in the life and ideals of Mr Benjamin Franklin.

    Although with keeping this in the present form I will ask you to watch a very short video clip and tell me how you see it . Whether you consider it as indoctrination. And then explain to the Parents in your school district who opposed this program how it was any different in direction of psychological manipulation of children who are not fully able to understand the fundamental principles of what is laid out in the US Constitution.

    For the activities that you say are not harmful to children are actually no different then what you see in the video below.
    http // www youtube.com/watch?v=G4zgURMOZ6k

    Earl Lofland, President
    Delaware Chapter Knights of the Innocent
    P.O. Bx 272 Clayton, DE
    19938
    302 653 7205

    Carney-Nunes is senior vice president of The Jamestown Project, “the award-winning author of the children’s books, I Am Barack Obama (2009

    The Obama school song video that she taped shows her book featured on an easel next to the children hailing Dear Leader

    http://www.repubx.com/

  84. sdee Says:

    that nailed it Troy – did you watch the Hamas kids video?

    another bourbon is in order now

  85. Troy Says:

    did you watch the Hamas kids video?
    ******************************
    Yeah, I’ve seen that garbage before….sick!!!

  86. sdee Says:

    “Dr.” Denise King

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/25/principal-nj-school-long-obama-supporter/

  87. Troy Says:

    I bet her ass is going to be fired…If it were a kid of mine involved there would defintely be a law suit filed.

  88. Troy Says:

    Amnesty, Step 1: White House Cuts Already Understaffed BorderPatrol By Almost 400 Agents

    CNS News: Even though the Border Patrol now reports that almost 1,300 miles of the U.S.-Mexico border is not under effective control, and the Department of Justice says that vast stretches of the border are “easily breached,” and the Government Accountability Office has revealed that three persons “linked to terrorism” and 530 aliens from “special interest countries” …

    Continue Reading http://patdollard.com/

  89. sdee Says:

    OK so I did a little Googling…you heard it here on Rose’s first 🙂

    > Dr. King is the pricipal of the elementary school. She is an Obama follower (see link above). She forced the Obama Little Children school performance back around March.

    > The performance was repeated and filmed later in the year when King arranged a visit from Charisse Carney-Nunes author of an Obama children’s book (I Am Barack Obama).

    > Charisse Carney-Nunes works for The Jamestown Project – a leftist social engineering non-profit.

    > The Jamestown Project got about 1/3 of its funding from the “Open Society Institute”

    > The Open Society Institute is George Soros

    All just a big coincidence I’ll bet.

  90. igaveup Says:

    “All just a big coincidence I’ll bet.”

    sure, just like the “guy that lives in the hood” (ayers) /s

  91. song Says:

    Troy sez: Glenn Beck will re-air tonight without the BIG ass ears interuption.

    ___________________

    lol I watched it! Great show. Loved it, minus BIG ass ears.

    Ola! Rosa

  92. jrinNC Says:

    Morning all.

    I am floored this AM – Why you ask, the weekly newsletter from my Governor made the following statement, “The State of North Carolina is responsible for the health and well-being of its citizens.” Needless to say this was my golden opportunity to drive home support for our House Resolution Bill H489 on North Carolina: Sovereignty Under the 10th Amendment. She also established a committee to look at our untapped resources, namely, Offshore Energy. Seems she is not pleased with the Draft Proposed 5-Year Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) Oil and Gas Leasing Program for 2010–2015 and has addressed a letter to Interior Secretary Ken Salazar. I sure hope this will re-open our Sovereignty issue as it looks as if it has been put on the back burner since it was sent to committee on Mar 30, 09 and still sits there.

    Sdee – hope you will also push your letters to Perdue and to the chairman of the bill along these lines. You can go to her web site and under news you can read what I have referenced above under State Seeks Return of Yadkin River Flows, Hydroelectric License to People of North Carolina and Gov. Perdue Establishes Offshore Energy Advisory Panel. FYI – Beverly is from my home town and I know her quite well, including her little secrets.

  93. jrinNC Says:

    Oops bill number is H849

  94. jrinNC Says:

    Does Fukino’s & Okubo’s silence indicate they believe Obama has committed a crime?

    http://www.oilforimmigration.org/

    “Hence, it seems only reasonable that if Dr. Fukino and Janice Okubo have a rational basis in Hawaiian Law for not releasing to the general public the information which regards Fukino’s public statements, it can only be that they understand the information would lead to the prosecution of Barack Obama for some sort of crime. On the other hand, if they have no rational basis in the law, what could be the motive other than some sort of political agreement with Obama to conceal information pertaining to his birth story?”

  95. jrinNC Says:

    Obamacare Violators Would Face Up to One Year in Jail

    http://www.repubx.com/

    Look at this NOTE.

  96. jrinNC Says:

    DNC Failed to Certify Obama as Eligible in MOST States!

    http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/15127

    “In short, the answer to Bob Unruh’s question at WND seems to be yes, Nancy Pelosi knew that she was signing a false statement on behalf of Obama. But she also knew that this false statement of eligibility would only be filed in Hawaii, which has a very specific state statute that requires that each party certify the constitutional eligibility of their candidates, using specific text.”

  97. jrinNC Says:

    Why Obama Will Throw ACORN Under the Bus

    http://www.newmediajournal.us/staff/fsalvato/2009/09252009.htm

    “In Chicago machine politics liabilities are shunned, disassociated, disavowed and, essentially thrown under the bus.

    And like every good Chicago machine politician, Barack Obama is following the cardinal rules:

    ▪ Do what you have to in order to get elected.
    ▪ Once elected, consolidate as much power as you possibly can.
    ▪ Reward those who helped you get elected.
    ▪ Position yourself for re-election and your retention of power.”

  98. sdee Says:

    Sdee – hope you will also push your letters to Perdue and to the chairman of the bill along these line
    ************************

    Will do. I heard this on the radio and was suspicious.

  99. jrinNC Says:

    Khamenei advisor: New uranium plant to be operational soon

    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1253820680895&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

    ‘Iran’s newly disclosed nuclear fuel facility will soon become operational, an aide to Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei was quoted as saying on Saturday.

    On Friday, at a news conference in New York, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said the plant would not be operational for 18 months but sidestepped a question about whether Iran had sufficient enriched uranium to manufacture a nuclear weapon. “

  100. jrinNC Says:

    Who does he think he’s kidding?

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/5362126/who-does-he-think-hes-kidding.thtml

    “… unveiled his shiny new bus after the wheels had come off and the engine had fallen out.”

    🙂

  101. Troy Says:

  102. Troy Says:

    Do you think this kid had a bad day?

  103. jrinNC Says:

    OUCH

  104. jrinNC Says:

    Obama’s OSHA Nominee Will Be Bad for Business, Critics Say
    President Obama’s choice to head the Occupational Safety and Health Administration is an “aggressively anti-business” proponent of junk science who should not be confirmed by the Senate, his critics say.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/16/osha-nominee-bad-business-critics-say/

    “It’s one of the scariest appointments the new administration has made,” said James Copland, director of the Manhattan Institute’s Center for Legal Policy…”

  105. Troy Says:

    September 25, 2009
    NBC Dateline producer Jane Stone texts ACORN critic: “Bite me Jew boy”

    Matt Vadum at Big Government reports that NBC Dateline producer Jane Stone sent a little love note to Alex Rosenwald yesterday in response to his press release critical of ACORN:

    Apparently NBC “Dateline” producer Jane Stone or someone else who has access to her Blackberry has a problem with groups that oppose ACORN and with an ethnocultural minority.
    When Stone received an email urging Congress to defund ACORN from Alex Rosenwald, director of media outreach for Americans for Limited Government, the following sentence came back to Rosenwald from Stone’s account: “Bite me, Jew Boy!”

    Stone claims that someone hacked her Blackberry. Uh, yeah.

    Exit question: Will the liztards at Little Green Gulag blame this on 1) Glenn Beck, 2) Robert Stacey McCain, 3) the entire conservative blogosphere, or 4) All the above?

    UPDATE: A commenter observes that Jane Stone is a faculty member for the journalism institute at New York University. Her email is jane (dot) stone@nyu(dot) edu in case you were wondering.

    http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/198980.php

  106. jrinNC Says:

    Why Iran Could Be Obama’s Defining Moment

    If President Obama is unable to stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons, it means he will be unable to stop any country from getting nuclear weapons.

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/09/25/kt-mcfarland-iran-nukes-obama-secret/

    Iran needs three things to have a nuclear weapon: Fuel, Way to Deliver Bomb and Blueprint –

    “If Iran gets all three of these they will have the bomb. And once they do other nations in the region, like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and perhaps Turkey, will conclude they need nuclear weapons of their own. A nuclear Iran will set off an arms race– a nuclear arms race– in the most dangerous, unstable part of the world.”

  107. Troy Says:

    😀

  108. jrinNC Says:

    I was just reading some comments on freerepublic about health care. The thing is NO ONE is denied health care – it is just that not all have health insurance which of course is by their own choice. The ones who are crying the loudest are the ones who spend their money on every new trinket on the market. There are already programs in place which support the elderly(Medicare), the poor (Medicaid)and even children (SCHIP). But to say that health care is denied is just not true. Go to your local ER’s and see how many are turned away.

  109. Bones Says:

    Did somebody here mention that there was a “birther” segment on the Tonight Show recently? Does anyone have a link to video? Just wondering if there’s a connection to the cancellation of the show due to Conan hitting his head. Tx.

  110. rosettasister Says:

    Good morning, America! How are you?!

    I meant to share these links with you last night, but then my husband walked in the door and I never did get back on the computer.

    Anyway, you may find them useful resources.

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/index.htm

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/csj/index.htm

    http://www.mystudylight.com/eschatology/jesus_teaching_on_his_second_coming.htm

    http://bible.cc/luke/21-27.htm

    And one more:

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/index.htm

  111. cynkading Says:

    By Peter Finn
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Saturday, September 26, 2009

    Republicans on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence said Friday that they will no longer participate in an investigation into the Bush administration’s interrogation policies, arguing that Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr.’s decision to reexamine allegations of detainee abuse by the CIA would hobble any inquiry.

    The intelligence committee launched a review in March of CIA interrogations of high-value detainees such as Khalid Sheik Mohammed, who describes himself as the mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Senate staffers are poring over hundreds of thousands of classified documents to probe the history and effectiveness of the CIA program, as well as congressional oversight of agency practices.

    Last month, Holder appointed a career prosecutor to review allegations of detainee abuse by CIA operatives, but he stressed that neither the review nor any full investigation, should it follow, means that criminal charges are inevitable.

    “Had Mr. Holder honored the pledge made by the President to look forward, not backwards, we would still be active participants in the Committee’s review,” the ranking Republican on the intelligence panel, Sen. Christopher S. Bond of Missouri, said in a statement. “What current or former CIA employee would be willing to gamble his freedom by answering the Committee’s questions? Indeed, forcing these terror fighters to make this choice is neither fair nor just.”

    The Justice Department, as is its practice, asked the committee not to provide immunity to any witnesses, according to a source on Capitol Hill who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter.

    No witnesses have yet appeared before the committee, and another official said the issue of immunity was a red herring because the panel has not offered immunity to anyone in many years.

    Bond’s announcement was first reported by CQ.com, the Web site of Congressional Quarterly. A spokeswoman said that Bond’s decision was conveyed to other Republican members of the committee and that none has objected.

    The Republicans’ decision is a blow to the goal of Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), the committee chairman, to produce a bipartisan report that cannot be described as a political attack on Bush-era policies.

    After Holder’s announcement last month, Feinstein had also expressed qualms about it.

    “Candidly, I wish that the attorney general had waited,” she said on CBS’s “Face the Nation.” “A lot of things are being said — ‘Well, you know, torturing people is something that we did, but on the other hand it produced all kinds of incredible information.’ It did produce some information. But there is a great discrepancy and, I think, a good deal of error out there in what people are saying it did produce. And we need to straighten that out. And the only thing that’s going to straighten it out is a very comprehensive look at it.”

    Feinstein expressed regret Friday at the Republican withdrawal but said she would not be deterred. “That study and investigation is being pursued, additional staff are being hired, and the committee is continuing the work with all due diligence,” she said in a statement.

    The Justice Department said Friday that Holder considered a preliminary review appropriate following a recommendation from the Office of Professional Responsibility and other information.

    “His decision was made in line with his duty to examine the facts and to follow the law,” said spokesman Matthew Miller. The department “will not prosecute anyone who acted in good faith and within the scope of the legal guidance given by the Office of Legal Counsel regarding the interrogation of detainees.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/25/AR2009092503745.html?wpisrc=newsletter

  112. cynkading Says:

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/sep/26/house-lawmakers-pushing-for-sweeping-audit-of-fed/

  113. rosettasister Says:

  114. cynkading Says:

    The House approved a 30-day stop-gap spending bill Friday designed to keep the government operating through October and buy more time for the cash-strapped Postal Service to meet a $5.4 billion payment due next week for its retirees’ health benefits.

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/27584.html#ixzz0SEBj3MRU

  115. jrinNC Says:

    Rose – great links. Already started reading them – THANKS

  116. rosettasister Says:

    You are most welcome, jr!

    There was a time when my only desire was reading materials such as these.

    I didn’t concern myself so much with earthly things.

    I hope to get back there someday.

  117. rosettasister Says:

    Senator John Ensign (R-NV)

    Thomas Barthold, chief of staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/25/new-crime-in-hopeandchange-era-failure-to-insure/

    Ensign asked Thomas Barthold, chief of staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation, what would happen if a taxpayer refused to buy health insurance and then refused to pay the subsequent fine, which could run to $1900 for an individual.

    Barthold replied that one shouldn’t do the crime if one doesn’t want to do the time:

    http://www.politico.com/livepulse/0909/Ensign_receives_handwritten_confirmation_.html?showall

    Violators could be charged with a misdemeanor and could face up to a year in jail or a $25,000 penalty, Barthold wrote on JCT letterhead.

    He signed it “Sincerely, Thomas A. Barthold.”

    See the note for yourself here.

    http://www.politico.com/static/PPM110_090925_document2.html

    Update II: Second big question — will ACORN start providing advice on how to evade these taxes, too?

  118. jrinNC Says:

    “the cash-strapped Postal Service to meet a $5.4 billion payment due next week for its retirees’ health benefits. ”

    Let me tell you the Postal Service Health Program is much much better than the Federal Service programs as far as costs. It is Mail Handlers – while other federal service entities can participate in that program – it is done at a much higher cost. So basically the taxpayers are already paying for health care premiums and the postal service has been reaping those benefits at a much higher level than the rest of the federal service arena. And I am sure that the Congressional program does not costs those folks anything at all. I have never been able to find anything in regards to their costs or a description of their plans.

    Rates for Standard Option Mail Handlers:

    2009 Standard Option Rates
    Non-Postal Biweekly Postal Biweekly
    Standard Option Self Only (454) $59.86 $36.07
    Standard Option Self & Family (455) $128.66 $74.80

    They also have a Value Plan and a Consumer Option Plan

    http://www.mhbp.com/plans-and-programs/health-plans/index.htm

  119. rosettasister Says:

    Mandatory insurance: Yes, it’s a tax

    http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2009/09/23/mandatory_insurance_yes_its_a_tax/

    Obama isn’t the first politician to maintain that a mandate to buy health insurance isn’t just another middle-class tax.

    Mitt Romney did so as governor of Massachusetts, boasting in 2006 that thanks to his signature health care law, “every uninsured citizen in Massachusetts will soon have affordable health insurance, and the costs of health care will be reduced.

    And we will need no new taxes . . . to make this happen.’’

    But isn’t the penalty that law imposes on the uninsured – a penalty that this year will run as high as $1,068 per person – a tax?

    Gosh, no, enthused Romney: “It’s a personal responsibility principle.’’

    Whatever it’s called, it hasn’t transformed Massachusetts into an Eden of universal coverage.

    According to the Department of Revenue, nearly 200,000 state taxpayers remained uninsured at the beginning of 2008.

    And the individual mandate hasn’t made insurance in the Bay State more affordable:

    Massachusetts has the highest health insurance premiums in the nation.

    Far from holding insurance costs down, “reform’’ in Massachusetts seems to have had the opposite effect.

    “Insurance premiums rose by 7.4 percent in 2007, 8-12 percent in 2008, and are expected to rise 9 percent this year,’’ notes Michael Tanner of the Cato Institute.

    “By comparison, nationwide insurance costs rose by 6.1 percent in 2007, just 4.7 percent in 2008, and are projected to increase 6.4 percent this year.’’

    (These are all valid criticisms of RomneyCare. But, I’d like to see a poll of the citizens of Massachusetts. Do you think they’d prefer to go back to the days prior to RomneyCare?)

    (Also, does RomneyCare have the same type of employer “free-rider” mandate tax that is in BaucusCare? I don’t know.)

  120. rosettasister Says:

    This blogger really seems to know his stuff on HCR:

    http://socglory.blogspot.com/

  121. Bones Says:

    Defense replies in Keyes v. Obama

    http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/category/legal-cases/keyes-v-obama/

    Taitz submits request to file Sur-reply (see her site for request detail).

  122. jrinNC Says:

    “This blogger really seems to know his stuff on HCR:”

    Too bad we can’t make that mandatory reading for all those folks up there who are wasting their energies on this crap.

  123. Troy Says:

  124. Troy Says:

    The above video was the wrong one…grrrrr…Here ya go!

  125. Troy Says:

    Obama’s Deception: The Missing Link?
    Published September 26, 2009 drkate 2 Comments
    Tags: eligibility, liars, Pakistan

    ©2009 drkate

    I found this photo of President Jimmy Carter’s National Security Adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski, visiting Osama Bin Laden in training with the Pakistan Army, 1981, on flickr, originally scanned from the New York Village Voice:

    Zbig meets Osama in Pakistan, 1981
    http://drkatesview.wordpress.com/
    Brzezinski is one of Obama’s mentors (Harvard and Columbia) and currently an advisor to him. Is it a coincidence that Obama was also in Pakistan on ’spring break’ in 1981? And what was Brzezinski doing there, ‘on behalf of the United States’?

  126. Troy Says:

    Check this out.

    http://logisticsmonster.com/vid-gallery/rise-of-politics-of-fear/

  127. rosettasister Says:

    “Only Thing We Have to Fear Is Fear Itself”: FDR’s First Inaugural Address

    I am certain that my fellow Americans expect that on my induction into the Presidency I will address them with a candor and a decision which the present situation of our people impel.

    This is preeminently the time to speak the truth, the whole truth, frankly and boldly.

    Nor need we shrink from honestly facing conditions in our country today.

    This great Nation will endure as it has endured, will revive and will prosper.

    So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself—

    nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which “paralyzes” needed efforts to convert retreat into advance.

    In every dark hour of our national life a leadership of frankness and vigor has met with that understanding and support of the people themselves which is essential to victory.

    I am convinced that you will again give that support to leadership in these critical days.

    In such a spirit on my part and on yours we face our common difficulties.

    They concern, thank God, only material things.

    Values have shrunken to fantastic levels; taxes have risen; our ability to pay has fallen;

    government of all kinds is faced by serious curtailment of income;

    the means of exchange are frozen in the currents of trade;

    the withered leaves of industrial enterprise lie on every side; farmers find no markets for their produce;

    the savings of many years in thousands of families are gone.

    More important, a host of unemployed citizens face the grim problem of existence, and an equally great number toil with little return.

    Only a foolish optimist can deny the dark realities of the moment.

    Listen here:

    http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5057/

    (I am not suggesting that today’s realities are as dark as the dark realities of FDR’s moment. But there are similarities between the two eras.

    “They concern, thank God, only material things.” Can you picture Obama uttering words such as these? He should be.

    Interesting FDR should use the term “paralyzes” given his own physical affliction.

    “the only thing we have to fear is fear itself” To be sure, a message that needed to be heard at the time.

    Of course, that statement taken out of context I only agree with up to a point. Sometimes a “healthy” dose of fear will save your butt! And is preferable to hiding one’s head in the sand.)

  128. rosettasister Says:

    Norman Podhoretz explains Why Are Jews Liberals?

    Listen here:

    [audio src="http://ht.salemweb.net/townhall/audio/mp3/2e110811-0943-4c42-8d83-cb4c08d373f3.mp3" /]

    Transcript:

    http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/talkradio/transcripts/Transcript.aspx?ContentGuid=95dfe54c-a1fd-4d06-bf4b-6b9e4972508f

    EXCERPT

    HH: At this time, are you as concerned as you have ever been about the future of Israel, and of worldwide Jewry as you have often talked about like in World War IV?

    Is it getting worse?

    NP: I’m more concerned than I’ve ever been, because it’s entirely possible, in fact likely, that Iran will get the Bomb.

    And if Iran does get the Bomb, I think this would set the stage for, almost inevitably, for a nuclear exchange with Israel,

    because once they have the Bomb, having threatened a million times to wipe Israel off the map, the Israelis have to sit there and ask themselves

    do we wait for him to strike us, and after we’re mostly destroyed, hit him with a second strike?

    Or do we preempt?

    And the Iranians are going to be thinking the same thing.

    And one or the other is going to try to beat the other to the punch.

    We haven’t had a hair trigger situation like that since the invention of nuclear weapons.

    And I fear very much that we’re headed toward such a situation, and of course,

    it can only bring calamity, and not just to Israel, but to the region, and very likely to the rest of the world.

    HH: And Norman Podhoretz, given that backdrop, do you think that American Jews will move off of their torah,

    because honor in this instance isn’t going to stand between that and the destruction of the state of Israel.

    NP: Well, I certainly hope so, and I think, I actually see a few faint signs of buyer’s remorse in some segments of the Jewish, of the liberal Jewish community.

  129. rosettasister Says:

    Rasmussen Presidential Approval

    09/25/2009

    Total Approve 51
    Total Disapprove 48

    09/26/2009

    Total Approve 50
    Total Disapprove 49

  130. rosettasister Says:

    Netherlands chides Iran’s new atom plant

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3782187,00.html

    Iran’s sudden revelation of a formerly secret uranium enrichment plant brought more condemnation Saturday at the UN General Assembly, with the Netherlands calling Tehran’s presumed weapons program “a major challenge to international peace and security.”

    Netherlands’ Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende said, “The recent revelation of a nuclear facility, which was long kept secret, is additional reason for great concern. It calls for a strong reaction by the international community and for total transparency by Iran.”

  131. rosettasister Says:

    Obama accuses Iran of evasion before Geneva talks

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUSN2550821720090926

    The U.S. president warned Iran on Friday it would face “sanctions that bite” if it did not come clean.

    “This is a serious challenge to the global non-proliferation regime and continues a disturbing pattern of Iranian evasion,” he said on Saturday.

    “That is why international negotiations with Iran scheduled for October 1 now take on added urgency,” Obama said in his weekly radio and Internet address on Saturday.

    Britain, France and Germany have joined the United States in raising the prospect of new sanctions against Iran if it does not take steps to allay concerns about its nuclear program.

    Russia also signaled a greater willingness to go along with sanctions while China said it favored a “dual track” approach of pressure and talks.

    U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon expressed “grave concern” in talks with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Friday and said Tehran had to show its intentions were peaceful.

    “He emphasized that the burden of proof is on Iran,” Ban’s press office said in a statement.

    (“China said it favored a “dual track” approach of pressure and talks.” What does that mean, exactly? We need for Russia and China to be on board.)

  132. rosettasister Says:

    I had an original thought!

    Apparently, it’s not considered polite to refer to Obama as “Hussein”

    But it appears to be okay to refer to Bush as “W”

    So … let’s call Obama “H”

    Which also stands for “Houston” and I think “Heroin”

    Remember during the campaign when it was verboten for news anchors to say “Barack Hussein Obama?”

    These idiots who made these knee jerk editorial decisions were too ignorant to realize that that was a real slap in the face to a lot of people.

    Hussein is a very common name, and generally speaking, people are proud of their names and their heritage.

    I’ve taught a lot of Hussein’s, and most of their parents were good people.

    Anyways, in the future, if you are ever tempted to call Obama “Hussein,” bite your lip!

    And call him “H” instead.

  133. Troy Says:

    I think I’ll just call him RH….Reggie Humper!

  134. rosettasister Says:

    Behind the scenes; news lost in the sensationalism of Green New York, Holocaust Denial & Nuclear “secrecy” of Ahmadinejad

    http://iranfacts.blogspot.com/2009/09/behind-scenes-news-lost-in.html

    EXCERPT

    As I mentioned earlier in the week, after the ban on media to publish anything (good) about Khatami, Mousavi, Karoubi; or any criticism about the election results

    (a rule that excludes the slander machinery of the government including Keyhan News Paper and False News and IRIB–who have been continuously spreading lies)

    the media’s criticism of the government has shifted to numbers.

    Different reports are exposing Ahmadinejad’s unconstitutional economic policies (ilna.ir),

    or over 25 billion dollars discrepancy between oil-revenue figures reported by Ahmadinejad’s Central bank and Ahmadinejad’s Ministry of Oil (tabnak.ir),

    falsification of economic statistics caught by the parliament’s audit unit (abrar news),

    reducing unemployment rates by statistical manipulation (sarmayeh.net),

    or government’s role in rice crisis—

    the government crushing local rice production while facilitating importation of cheap and toxic rice.

    (“toxic” rice ???)

    But what is strengthening the theory of impeachment is a report

    that “The City of Tehran will audit the accounts of Tehran Mayor between years 2003-2005”.

    These are the years that Ahmadinejad was Tehran mayor.

    The controversial case of over 300 million dollars (300 billion toman, in IR currency) missing from Ahmadinejad’s account books is now reopened for investigation. (etemaad.ir)

    Others seem to smell a pact between Hahsemi and Khamenei as well.

    With all economic and political troubles that await him at home,

    he needs the limelight of Holocaust Denial circus;

    or the macabre of the new nuclear site.

    Posted by Naj

    (This is very interesting. Wonder if it’s true.)

  135. Troy Says:

    From commenets at Leo’s.
    **********************
    Civis Naturaliter Natus Says:

    September 26, 2009 at 5:19 am
    Its a Canard that Fukino and Okubo face prosecution IF THEY RELEASE INFORMATION regarding Zero’s birth story

    http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009/09/26/does-fukinos-okubos-silence-indicate-they-believe-obama-has-committed-a-crime/

    in fact, the only rational basis in HI law for not releasing it, seems to be that they believe it will lead to criminal charges against Obama…

    [ed. there are federal laws too. if there’s been a cover up, people will be facing prison. once the levy breaks, and it will, people will be covering their own behinds. it will be every man/woman for themselves. just watch it unfold.]

  136. rosettasister Says:

    Hanan Ashrawi has biases just like the rest of us. But if you want to attempt to understand the Palestinian viewpoint, have a listen.

    I chose her as the subject of one of my papers when I was studying the Middle East and North Africa.

    BTW, “W” was the first U.S. president to speak of a two-state solution. I wonder if she ever thanked him.

    ***

    Outspoken Palestinian politician Hanan Ashrawi expressed her strong opposition to the idea of a one-state solution.

    “My agenda is to end the occupation and have a sovereign state. Then we will decide relations with our neighbours … Everybody is saying that the two-state solution is being destroyed by Israel’s unilateral measures, which are making the two-state solution … impossible,” she explained to Gulf News.

    ***

    “What Netanyahu is doing is clearly at the scale of a grand deception,” said Fatah spokesperson Hanan Ashrawi.

    “He thinks that he can deceive the rest of the world… but what he is doing under a variety of pretexts is the continuation of settlements and at the same time demanding a price in return.”

    ***

    One on One – Hanan Ashrawi – 26 Sep 09 – Part 1

  137. rosettasister Says:

    One on One – Hanan Ashrawi – 26 Sep 09 – Part 2

  138. rosettasister Says:

    Heartbreaking to think of what these families have had to endure. All one has to do is to look at how tall an average North Korean is vs. an average South Korean. Tells you a lot. North Koreans have to be some of the most miserable people on earth.

    ***

    In what is being seen as a conciliatory gesture from North Korea, reunions have resumed between families cut off by the Korean 1950-1953 war.

    About 100 South Koreans are travelling to Mount Kumgang in the North where they will meet their long-lost relatives.

    From Sokcho in South Korea.

  139. rosettasister Says:

    bbl

    Hey, hey! Ho, ho! Ahma di nejad has to go!

    Iranians in subway chant for their counterparts in Iran September 24 09

  140. ryansgrammy Says:

    So Reid is going to block the ACORN probe. We need to find out who is running against this bozo and start donating money to the cause.

    http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/reid-blocks-acorn-probe-61438132.html

  141. Troy Says:

    BTW, Leo’s Part 2 of his report will be posted late tonight…per Leo.

  142. Troy Says:

    ryansgrammy Says:

    September 26, 2009 at 8:51 pm
    So Reid is going to block the ACORN probe. We need to find out who is running against this bozo and start donating money to the cause.
    *********************************************************
    Grammy, there is already an active movement / campaign and website to do just that.

  143. Troy Says:

    Harry Reid’s opponent

    https://co.clickandpledge.com/sp/d1/default.aspx?wid=28459

  144. rosettasister Says:

    More Hanan Ashrawi

    ***

    A much longer presentation can be found here:

    youtube.com/watch?v=OvWsNkzJukc

    ***

    Added: September 25, 2009

  145. Fernley Girl Says:

    Here’s an article about Tark. He’s already gotten some of my $$$, since I live in NV and want Reid fired.

    http://www.lvrj.com/news/breaking_news/52689457.html

  146. igaveup Says:

    Troy Says:
    September 26, 2009 at 5:11 pm

    Obama’s Deception: The Missing Link?
    Published September 26, 2009 drkate 2 Comments
    Tags: eligibility, liars, Pakistan

    GOOD FIND TROY

  147. rosettasister Says:

    Arabs urge Obama to present peace outline

    http://www.ksl.com/?nid=157&sid=8055409

    The head of the Arab League and the Egyptian foreign minister on Friday urged President Barack Obama to present his own outline of an Israeli-Palestinian peace deal, in order to break the current logjam and spur negotiations.

    ***

    (What happened to the “deal” on settlements that both Shimon Peres and Netanyahu said would be forthcoming? It doesn’t look good to say you’re going to do something, and then it doesn’t materialize.)

    (I don’t see any difference in what these peace negotiators on all sides are saying, including Hanan Ashrawi. If there’s anything new which might cause one hope, I’m not seeing it.)

    (BTW if Netanyahu does, in fact, make a deal on settlements, what does he get in return? And, does Abbas even have it within his power to stop Hamas from terrorizing Israel?)

    (There’s plenty of blame and suffering to go around. Of course Netanyahu wants to create “facts on the ground.” If it were my child’s life in danger, I would create as many “facts” as was necessary to keep my child safe. And I would have built that wall.)

    (It seems the Palestinians always have an excuse for not coming to the table, so to speak. So, like Hanan Ashrawi’s children, the Palestinians damn their own children to growing up in an environment in which they are robbed of anything resembling the childhood God would wish them to have.)

  148. Fernley Girl Says:

    Jesse Jackson got this right, especially the last sentence. Read this from an Oct. 14, 2008 article:

    “Here is what The Rev. Jackson had to say at a World Policy Forum in France:

    The most important change would occur in the Middle East, where “decades of putting Israel’s interests first” would end.

    Jackson believes that, although “Zionists who have controlled American policy for decades” remain strong, they’ll lose a great deal of their clout when Barack Obama enters the White House. “Obama is about change,” Jackson told me in a wide-ranging conversation. “And the change that Obama promises is not limited to what we do in America itself. It is a
    change of the way America looks at the world and its place in it.”

    http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/10/14/jesse-jackson-obama-will-end-zionist-rule-in-america/

  149. rosettasister Says:

    “This is the first time in Israeli history that a prime minister agrees to the establishment of a Palestinian state. Netanyahu agreed to what (Yitzhak) Rabin and Shimon Peres refused to agree to.”

    (So I guess Bush, Obama, Netanyahu and Hanan Ashrawi are all on the same page.)

    ***

    Apparently, Livni doesn’t believe Netanyahu, either.

    ***

    Meanwhile, Opposition chairwoman Tzipi Livni has declared the planned freeze a “slight of hand trick” by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

    “We have a government here that, as days go by it becomes clear that not only does it not have a path, but the prices it pays are the highest of all,” she told Ynet.

    Regarding the government’s approval of West Bank construction plans while negotiating a freeze, Livni said, “The attempt at combining construction and a freeze is false. The attempt at building during a freeze is the construction of an igloo – an igloo will melt in the summer.”

    She said that her government had succeeded in holding negotiations with the Palestinians by showing the world Israel wanted to achieve an accord, while the construction in large settlements continued.

    “But currently in order to enter into negotiations you have to pay the Right and the Americans with slips, as well as cheat the coalition partnership,” the former foreign minister said.

    Livni disputed Netanyahu’s credibility and said he was only interested in “buying time”.

    “I don’t buy Bibi’s honesty,” she said, adding that he had to decide before negotiations began “whether we’re building or freezing”.

    “I would support a proper process,” she added. “I announce that we as an opposition would support what is proper. As of now, the (government’s) conduct is very problematic, and testifies to the fact that no process or path have been chosen.”

    (I just don’t believe Shimon Peres would be out there saying Netanyahu wants to make a deal on settlements, if he didn’t actually believe it.)

  150. rosettasister Says:

    Groovin’ and Startin’ on Page 2

    http://www.4shared.com/play/10329682/efdae9dd/sharing.html

  151. Troy Says:

    http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=complete_911_timeline_6030#complete_911_timeline_6030

    Osama Bin Laden hanging out with Obama’s buddies in Chicago 1981.

    Via Dr. Kate’s site

  152. Troy Says:

    Above link to story provided by:
    http://drkatesview.wordpress.com/2009/09/26/obamas-deception-the-missing-link/#comments

  153. Chelu Says:

    Hi Rose’s gang! I’m one of your daily lurkers and appreciate so much the info you all share here. I don’t often come across something you all haven’t seen, but I did want to share a video that was e-mailed to me today. Maybe you have seen it already, but if not, I think you might enjoy. It brought tears to my eyes. Thank you again for keeping those of us that lurk so well informed. : )

  154. rosettasister Says:

    Chelu Says:
    September 26, 2009 at 11:51 pm

    Thanks and welcome, Chelu!

    Only first posts are moderated, so you should be able to post at will now.

    Rose

  155. Troy Says:

    Thanks Chelu…post more often 🙂

  156. Chelu Says:

    Thank you Rose and Troy….I enjoy reading you folks daily and I promise to post more often. : )

  157. cynkading Says:

    Hey!! Been busy all day.

    Troy Says:

    September 26, 2009 at 3:23 am
    Barack Hussein Obama…mmm…mmm…mmm
    He lives in Reggie’s pajamas…mmm…mmm…mmm
    Barack Hussein Obama…mmm…mmm…mmm
    He’s black, but has a white momma…mmm…mmm…mmm
    Barack Hussein Obama…puke…puke…puke

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Lol Troy, you are one talented guy. Very lyrical 🙂

  158. Troy Says:

    Thank you…TYVM!!!

    I’ll be here all week. 😀

  159. cynkading Says:

    Welcome Chelu to Rose’s place 🙂

  160. cynkading Says:

    Has anyone heard from Slider lately? When you put Slider, Troy, and Ten all together, you can be sure there will be some lively conversation going on. Have not seen Ten on here today? Sup with him?

  161. Troy Says:

    Sup with him?
    *************
    I would imagine that he is pretty busy with the CC2009 project…He has also been nominate for Colorado delegate, so I’m sure he has a little campaigning to do.

  162. Troy Says:

    Where you at Sliderman???

  163. Troy Says:

    500,000 ‘pink slips’ on their way to Capitol already
    You’re putting Congress on notice!

    ——————————————————————————–
    Posted: September 25, 2009
    10:05 pm Eastern

    © 2009 WorldNetDaily

    WASHINGTON – An innovative new campaign to alert Congress of widespread grass-roots opposition to massive new spending plans as well as other objectionable and intrusive legislation is already responsible – in the first 24 hours – for the distribution of 500,000 “pink slip” notices to members of the House and Senate.

    WND announced the “Send Congress a Pink Slip” campaign yesterday and it has already reached one-tenth of its stated goal of 5 million notices, individually addressed, personalized with senders name and address and delivered to all members of Congress by Fed Ex. Already, half a million of the “pink slips” are on their way to Washington.

    “This looks like a historic effort – comparable to the massive march in Washington, the tea party rallies and the town hall actions,” said Joseph Farah, editor and chief executive officer of WND. “I’m quite sure nothing like this has ever before been undertaken.”

    (Story continues below)
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=111044

  164. Troy Says:

    Cops, deputies warned again about right-wing ‘terrorists’
    SPLC alarm: ‘Militiamen, white supremacists, anti-Semites, nativists, tax protesters coalescing’
    ——————————————————————————–
    Posted: September 25, 2009
    10:10 pm Eastern

    By Bob Unruh
    © 2009 WorldNetDaily

    A private activist organization apparently is picking up where the federal government left off when the Department of Homeland Security issued its “Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment” warning that returning veterans and people in a long list of other categories were potential terrorists.

    Only the new warning, delivered recently to police officers, sheriffs and other law enforcement personnel across the country, is lumping those dedicated to the constitutional principles on which the nation was founded together with crazed killers.

    The fall 2009 “Intelligence Report” was issued recently by the Southern Poverty Law Center, where officials confirmed to WND it was published specifically for and delivered to law enforcement personnel across the nation. The SPLC did not respond to a WND request for other comment

    But the article groups members of various organizations such as Oathkeepers – whose mainly military and law enforcement members pledge to uphold their constitutional duties, including the duty to question and refuse what appear to be illegitimate orders – with a man “said to be interested in joining a militia” who is accused of killing two deputies in Florida.

    (Story continues below)
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=111078

  165. rosettasister Says:

    New Thread:

    https://rosettasister.wordpress.com/2009/09/27/whats-new-pussycat/

  166. igaveup Says:

    Fernley Girl Says:
    September 26, 2009 at 10:47 pm

    Jesse Jackson got this right

    Aw, I thought it was going to be the quote about whacking of Barry’s man parts. 😉

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