Healthcare, what a deal!




I’m still trying to digest all of this, but it seems to me that we have the same problem with the Baucus bill as we did with the public “option.”

i.e., public “option” will lead to “an (employer) incentive to drop coverage” and the same holds true with Baucus bill.

“An employer mandate tax of $400 per employee that would be an incentive to drop coverage.”

Almost everything I’m reading on this has to do with how this will affect employers who do NOT currently provide coverage.

I’m asking how this will affect employers who DO.

I posted this here:

sisterrosetta said…

“An employer mandate tax of $400 per employee that would be an incentive to drop coverage.”


I totally agree.

Unless I’m missing something, this would be a huge incentive for employers to drop coverage.

Shouldn’t there be two separate provisions:

one for employers who don’t currently provide coverage

and a second for employers who do?

I don’t understand why this isn’t getting more traction.

September 17, 2009 9:02 AM

Anyway, I copied this from above link and then substituted “$400 per employee.”


4: Employers to provide health coverage or pay a fee to the government of (depending on version of plan) $400 per employee.


-Cost per employee now for insurance on nationwide average is around 9%.  States like NJ, MA, NY, RI… (the community rated states) have higher costs.  High cost state employee now have an incentive to drop coverage and pay $400 per employee instead rather than their current higher costs, right?  Drop coverage => new coverage => possible loss of current doctor.

-Perhaps the $400 per employee surcharge is the WalMart tax (i.e. tax on employers who don’t provide coverage already)? Ah! But i) WalMart DOES favor health reform and ii) WalMart already provide coverage.  Why on earth would WalMart support reform? Answer: because it, with it’s high fixed cost coverage spread over it’s own large population of employees, it will have a competitive advantage over newcomers into the market who’ll now have to pony up $400 per employee to the government.  Clever WalMart. Health reform helps WalMart.  Who’d a thunk it?


I’m mostly worried about people like, well like me.

As I stated yesterday,

If  “An employer mandate tax of $400 per employee would be an incentive to drop coverage,” then how would I make up the difference between what I pay now and what it would cost me to go out and purchase a plan from a private insurer or a coop?

If my employer, or my husband’s employer, handed me a voucher, then I guess that makes sense.

I realize this provision is not in any final bill, but I fear it may be.

And the CBO said again yesterday:

“The number of people purchasing individual coverage outside the exchanges or obtaining coverage through employers would decline slightly, relative to currently projected levels.”

Someone, please explain this to me!

Grassley: More Debate Needed

Grassley said, however, there are plenty more opportunities to make the legislation better. The bill released by Baucus Wednesday will begin to be discussed by the full Finance Committee on Tuesday. After that, it will need to pass the full Senate, and the Senate and the House will have to come to a consensus on the legislation.

“[I]f you don’t have the whole thing worked out yet, it would be intellectually dishonest for me to say, you know, I couldn’t vote for it or vote for it,” Grassley said. “Let’s see what the final package is.”

One imperative along the way, Grassley said is the legislation should have bipartisan support. He said previously that for the bill to have Republican support, from what he’s discussed in his caucus, it should include tort reform but not rationing nor mandatory penalties for employment nor a public option.

271 Responses to “Healthcare, what a deal!”

  1. rosettasister Says:

    Arizona Senator Jon Kyl’s Analysis of Obamacare (Analysis of BaucusCare)



    HH: What do you think of the Baucus bill, since it is the least ruinous of the American economy and medical system, but still ruinous in my opinion?

    What do you, Jon Kyl, think of the Baucus bill?

    JK: You just said it. It is the least ruinous of the three, and still very ruinous.

    So about all you can say about it is that it does begin to show areas in which there have to be compromise.

    But it provides for a government takeover of health care, it costs almost a trillion, in fact, if you take the true cost, it’s over a trillion dollars.

    It will cut Medicare significantly, hurting care for seniors.

    It’ll mandate that everybody in American have insurance, and as defined by the government.

    It will raise a lot of taxes in order to pay for that insurance for people who can’t afford it, and it will set up a regulatory regime for all insurance, which will end up with “government-run” insurance.

    Now that’s to be distinguished from a government health care plan, or a government-run insurance company.

    (I’m glad Senator Kyl makes this distinction. There is no public “option” or government-run health care in the Baucus bill. Actually he is saying the same thing that Governor Dean said, who favors single-payer. The Baucus bill is about health insurance reform.)

    They call that a co-op, and there’s that in here, too.

    But that’s different from running health care.

    And at the end of the day, this bill puts Washington in charge of all health care in America – the half that’s already provided through Medicare and Medicaid, Veterans and Indians, and now the new provisions that will affect all of the so-called private market.

    (How else do we get everyone covered and get rid of the hated pre-existing condition?)

    (BTW Senator Frist favors individual mandates.)

  2. cynkading Says:

    second to Rose 🙂

  3. cynkading Says:

    Where are you at Troy 😉

  4. cynkading Says:

    Have you seen the Obama Halloween masks yet? I know each one of you will be placing your orders for this years series of Halloween parties. I thought I would save you some time and just post the link for your convenience. 😉

  5. rosettasister Says:

    Baucus Bill Explained

    Employers will still be required to provide employees with health insurance.

    In order to get employers to drop their coverage on employees and jump over to the government plan, this new plan only charges employers $400 per employee to join the government co-op plan.

    Remember, employers would have an 8% tax penalty if they didn’t cover employees before in HR 3200.

    Consequently, this is much cheaper for employers and they would all drop employee healthcare in favor for the co-op government controlled plan.

    This leaves the employees with NO CHOICE but to take government healthcare.

    This is a subtle way of literally screwing working Americans into joining-up with big government while being told that they will have a choice in the matter.

    This is MOST UNLIKELY!

    (Again, coops are not government-run. But other than that, I agree with this analysis.

    Honestly, I don’t have a problem with shopping around for my own health insurance plan or even joining a coop. I just want to know how I’m going to pay for it!)

  6. rosettasister Says:

    Baucus plan includes compulsory insurance but exempts Health Sharing Ministries

    The bill expands Medicaid and opens the door for employers to ditch healthcare completely.

    WSJ said,

    “Those with more than 50 full-time employees must offer coverage or pay a penalty of up to $400 per employee.”

    If you’ve ever run a business, you’ll probably agree that $400 penalty will be cheaper than providing insurance.

    Thus this is a mini-door, one of several including public co-ops, to the public option leftwingers want.

    It also moves perk dollars from the individual to the federal revenue pool.

  7. jrinNC Says:

    Netanyahu: The Land of Israel Will Be Divided

    Reported: 09:14 AM – Sep/16/09

    Not good folks.

  8. cynkading Says:

    Okay I got inspired by Katie. I know some of you will be attending Halloween parties so I thought I would help you out by posting a link for the sake of saving time. Be sure and check it out and no thanks are necessary. 🙂 I give you the Barack Obama Mask!

  9. jrinNC Says:

    sorry forgot link

  10. Troy Says:

    cynkading Says:

    September 17, 2009 at 5:54 pm
    Where are you at Troy 😉
    At Leo’s blog trying to get something besides a smart ass answer to an excellent question.

  11. jrinNC Says:

    ‘We may have to attack Iran by Dec.’

    “Israel will be compelled to attack Iran’s nuclear facilities if Western powers do not impose serious sanctions against Teheran by the end of 2009, former deputy defense minister Ephraim Sneh said on Wednesday.”

  12. cynkading Says:

    Troy, somehow I just knew you might be hangin at another site trying to start some stuff 😉 Lol. Are you having any luck ?

  13. rosettasister Says:

    Defending the Plan

    Senator Kent Conrad, who worked with Baucus on his legislation, defended the plan as a disincentive for costly plans that encourage unneeded care.

    “If we’re going to get on a different course, a sustainable course, we’re going to have to make changes,” Conrad said.

    Baucus also dropped a mandate, backed by many Democrats, that all employers offer health coverage or pay a penalty. Under his plan, companies with more than 50 full-time workers that don’t offer insurance would pay a fee for every lower-income employee who qualifies for a new tax credit to obtain care. The maximum penalty would be $400 per worker.

    In lieu of the public option, he proposed $6 billion in seed money to set up nonprofit cooperatives that would compete with companies such as Hartford, Connecticut-based Aetna Inc.

    (Again I really don’t have a problem with these coops, I just want to know how am I going to pay for a plan if my employer dumps me and elects instead to pay the $400 instead of the $10,000 it currently pays?

    Believe me, we won’t qualify for any subsidies. We never qualified for any financial aid for either of our children, and instead had to go deeply in debt borrowing from private lenders.)

  14. Troy Says:

    cynkading Says:

    September 17, 2009 at 6:32 pm
    Troy, somehow I just knew you might be hangin at another site trying to start some stuff Lol. Are you having any luck ?
    He’s in one of his “moods”….I’ll try back after he takes some Mydol. 😉

  15. cynkading Says:

    he he

  16. rosettasister Says:

    Updated Link after additions – cha cha!

  17. cynkading Says:

    Pelosi punts on ACORN funding ban

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, speaking to reporters during her weekly press conference just now, refused to say if she would support a Senate move to block ACORN from getting contracts from HUD.

    Instead she said the House Appropriations Committee would subject the group to “tough scrutiny” following revelations that two ACORN staffers were caught on tape apparently offering tax advice on how to set about a youth prostitution ring. But she portrayed it as a few bad apples discrediting an organization with “hundreds” of honest organizers.

    “Any group that receives any funds from the federal government needs to have tough scrutiny applied to it,” she said, reflecting on the widely viewed video of the ACORN employees chatting amiably with a conservative activist posing as a pimp. “I think it’s — what would be the appropriate words? — despicable … but in any event it’s totally unacceptable and in my view inexcusable.”

    She added that ACORN was “an organization of hundreds of people, a few people, um, have embarrassed ACORN, and I think they are having their own investigation into it, but we have to have our own scrutiny.”

    When I asked her what that scrutiny would be, she added, “It’s up to the Appropriations Committee to scrutinize ACORN or any other group that receives money from the federal government that has such an allegation against it.”

  18. rosettasister Says:

    Rasmussen Presidential Approval


    Total Approve 47
    Total Disapprove 52

    (Obama losing ground, again.)

  19. rosettasister Says:

    The Goldstone report

    Netanyahu spoke to Israeli TV stations on the occasion of the Jewish New Year holiday, which begins Friday.

    He said the U.N. report ignored Israel’s 2005 withdrawal from Gaza and the Palestinian rocket attacks that preceded Israel’s invasion, and said world leaders cannot wait for an Israeli-Palestinian peace agreement to affirm Israel’s right to protect itself.

    “So I am telling international leaders: You are telling us that you support our right of self defense. Don’t tell us that after the next agreement, tell us now,” Netanyahu told Channel 2 TV. “Reject the findings of this commission.”

    The report of the U.N. commission, headed by South African justice Richard Goldstone, faulted Israel for civilian deaths in Gaza. Israel charged that Gaza’s Islamic Hamas rulers were responsible for placing rocket launchers and forces in crowded neighborhoods. About 1,400 Palestinians were killed during the three-week conflict.

    The report also criticized Hamas for firing rockets at Israeli civilians.

    Netanyahu called on the world to oppose the conclusion that formal charges could be brought against Israeli soldiers, officers and leaders as a result of the Gaza war. He said it was a “blow to the fight against terrorism” and warned that other countries could find their soldiers and leaders in the dock as the result of anti-terror operations.

    Netanyahu said he would accept a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza if it were demilitarized, as a way of “avoiding the next Goldstone report” on an Israeli operation against Palestinian militants.

  20. cynkading Says:

  21. igaveup Says:


    take him fishin’and then ask it 😉

  22. rosettasister Says:

    Tehrani says:
    17 september 2009 om 21:32 September 17, 2009 at 21:32

    De aanhangers van de PMOI hebben vandaag in Imam Zaman moskee in Teheran de stem van Mevr. Marzieh, Iraanse populaire zangeres van de luidsprekers van de moskee uitgezonden.

    The supporters of the PMOI have today in Tehran Imam Zaman Mosque in the voice of Mrs. Marzieh, Iranian popular singer from the loudspeakers of the mosque broadcast.

    Het ging over de bekende oproep tot het gebed(Azán).

    It was the familiar call to prayer (Azan).

  23. rosettasister Says:

    Iran’s Diva Marzieh in a Paris church Pays Tribute to Martyred Residents of Camp Ashraf, Aug 8, 09

  24. rosettasister Says:

    Iran Updates:


    Mehdi Mirdamadi & Hossein Nouraninejad arrested at 02:45 AM rouydad

    They arrested more than 20 family members of political figures now. They’re taking hostages w/o legal grounds.

  25. rosettasister Says:

    Why Tomorrow We March- Because Azadi Calls 2 Us, Reminding Us of Home.

    Iran’s powerful Revolutionary Guards warned the opposition on Thursday against anti-government protests during nationwide “Qods Day” rallies on Friday, saying they would be dealt with “firmly.”

    State television said moderate cleric Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, who backed the opposition during the post-election unrest, had been replaced with a hardline cleric to lead the prayers sermon at Tehran University on Friday.

    For the past 25 years, Rafsanjani, also head of a powerful arbitrary body, had repeatedly led the sermon.

    State media have said Ahmadinejad would also address worshippers, a move which could provoke supporters of his election rivals to stage protests against the establishment.

    Rights groups say thousands of people, including senior pro-reform figures, were arrested after the election, though most have been freed. The opposition says more than 70 people died during street protests after the vote. It contradicts the official death toll of 36 people.

  26. Troy Says:

    igaveup Says:

    September 17, 2009 at 7:35 pm

    take him fishin’and then ask it
    Roflmao!!!…If I took Leo fishing he would be the bait! 😀

  27. Tenacity Says:

    Do you know how to keep Mit Romney from drinking all your beer if you took him fishing with ya?

  28. Troy Says:


  29. Tenacity Says:

    Take another Mormon along.

  30. rosettasister Says:

    I just smile and shake my head! — bbl

  31. Troy Says:

    Sarkozy says Iran working on Nukes
    “It is a certainty to all of our secret services. Iran is working today on a nuclear [weapons] program,” Jerusalem Post

    After Paris warned that new sanctions against Teheran remained an option despite the likelihood of negotiations with Iran, French President Nicolas Sarkozy maintained that the Islamic republic was still working on a nuclear weapons program.

    “It is a certainty to all of our secret services. Iran is working today on a nuclear [weapons] program,” Sarkozy told lawmakers from his UMP party on Tuesday, according to Press TV.

    “We cannot let Iran acquire nuclear” weapons because it would also be a threat to Israel, he added.

    An Iranian bomb would also be a threat to US and NATO troops in the region.
    French Foreign Ministry spokesman Bernard Valero had warned that Iran must make “concrete gestures” at the long-awaited discussions. He said the sanctions option remained on the table in case Teheran makes “an error of choice.”

    “It is up to Iran to restore international confidence … and show it is ready to seriously discuss its sensitive activities,” Valero said at a press briefing.

    Good luck with that. Iran has already turned down Obama’s offer of dialogue. Any dialogue regarding Iran’s nuclear ambitions will only be used to kill time by Iran.

  32. rosettasister Says:

    Hopefully, these two things are related.


    U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates, speaking from the Pentagon immediately after the president’s announcement, denied the United States was “scrapping” missile defense.

    “This new approach provides a better missile defense capability for our forces in Europe, for our European allies and eventually for our homeland than the program I recommended almost three years ago,” said Gates, who was defense chief in the last two years of the Bush administration and stayed on when Obama took office.


    Russian President hints at U-turn over Iran sanctions

    And will lead to Number Three:

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu

    Time to exacerbate sanctions against Iran,7340,L-3776656,00.html

  33. Tenacity Says:

    I would like to extend an invitation to all of Rose’s Gang to call into tonight’s Let’s Talk Liberty show. We can discuss any liberty related topic you wish. We will also be talking about the Continental Congress and the Leo Wanta story tonight. The show starts at 9pm Eastern, 7pm Mountain.

    Call-in Number: (347) 215-6929

    The show link is:

  34. rosettasister Says:

    Dr. Burisch on H1N1 vaccine

    (Many here have posted from the anti-vaccinate camp, this is just to show you something from the pro-vaccinate camp. I’m not taking sides. I know most of you have already made up your minds.)

    Thus far Dan and Marci have had NO ADVERSE REACTIONS to the Seasonal Influenza Vaccine and Marci is still intending on doing a short video statement (with Dan present) in the very near future. They will be taking the H1N1 vaccine, and proof will be supplied to the public, so everyone understands that it is as safe as humanly possible, and NOT a poison or part of some depopulation effort.

    We love you all! Talk with you soon.


  35. Tenacity Says:

    Does anyone here have any direct knowledge of the military training with police about check points and forcing flu shot participation? If so, please contact me or call into Let’s Talk Liberty tonight. Thank you!

    Call-in Number: (347) 215-6929 9pm Eastern, 7pm Mountain

  36. Tenacity Says:

    If you want extensive information about the vaccine, go to
    They Want to Inject My Kids With What?

  37. jrinNC Says:

    This goes with article posted by Troy Says:
    September 17, 2009 at 8:33 pm

    AP NewsBreak: Nuke agency says Iran can make bomb
    Sep 17 01:23 PM US/Eastern

    VIENNA (AP) – Experts at the world’s top atomic watchdog are in agreement that Tehran has the ability to make a nuclear bomb and is on the way to developing a missile system able to carry an atomic warhead, according to a secret report seen by The Associated Press.

  38. igaveup Says:

    wonder what Troy would catch with Leo as the bait?

  39. jrinNC Says:

    Tenacity Says:
    September 17, 2009 at 11:29 pm

    Does anyone here have any direct knowledge of the military training with police about check points and forcing flu shot participation?

    Ten – wish I had seen this earlier I might have been able to get some more info regarding. I have already been told this was being planned by a top NG official. But no specifics were given only that something was in the works. But I will see if I can find out something in the next hour. If not whenever I get it I will post.

  40. Tenacity Says:

    For pathogen protection, check out MMS, Miracle Mineral Supplement at:
    click on home page to see more.

    click on July 2009 Africa Trip Report to see most recent info. Here’s an excerpt:

    Then the Swine flu hit in Mexico City about May 1, 2009. I don’t live near that city but I thought “here is a possible chance to show that MMS can cure the Swine flu. So, I had my friend call the Mexican Senate and mention that MMS would probably handle the swine flu problem. At that time our friends in Mexico City, even one that worked in the main swine flu hospital had verified 2000 swine flu deaths.

    However, one top senator told us that their hands had been tied and that the Senate could do nothing and that I was advised to leave Mexico immediately as someone very powerful didn’t want anything to be done about the swine flu. The indication was that if it looked like MMS could do something, it might be unhealthy for me in Mexico. Seeing that whoever was doing the swine flu was powerful enough to tie the hands of the Mexican Senate, it was good enough to make me decide to leave immediately.

    At the airport one of my friends who was there to see me off was called by someone who said that a town nearby had quite a few cases of swine flu. They asked for help. I thought we might be able to do something so I cancelled my flight. We called a doctor in town and he said that he would accompany us to the town the next morning. He was enthusiastic about doing something with the swine flu. However the next morning he wouldn’t talk to us and his secretary told us not to bother attempting to communicate. I took that as further reason to leave, so I left that day on the airplane bound for Mexico City, and immediately on to other places away from Mexico.

    I worried about my friends there in Mexico except I knew they had loyal friends to protect them, and they are experts in the use of MMS to shield themselves against viruses of all types.

  41. Tenacity Says:

    Thanks jr

    Any chance you would call in tonight?

  42. jrinNC Says:

    Ten – I just sent an email to my contact. If I hear anything I WILL call in.

  43. jrinNC Says:

    Today my daughter who works in a hospital in the admin section told me that people came around today to give the reg flu shot. They were told it was MANDATORY – no exception. She had already taken the shot for the reg flu to protect herself the day before, as she only has half of her left lung because of a pulmonary embolism she had about 8 years ago. They marked her badge with a sticker to show that she had taken it. There were people who refused, but she does not know the ramifications of this yet. She did tell the staff she WILL NOT be taking the H1N1. They asked her why and she gave her reasons based on the unknowns of what this vaccine could do. They told her that they WOULD convince her to take it when it came out. She told them no you won’t and that they would have to fire her. She is extremely upset over this whole thing.

  44. Troy Says:

    Tenacity Says:

    September 17, 2009 at 11:29 pm
    Does anyone here have any direct knowledge of the military training with police about check points and forcing flu shot participation? If so, please contact me or call into Let’s Talk Liberty tonight. Thank you!
    Ten, Bill and Kerry at PC have that info…You could email them and remind them of who you are (I’m sure they will remember) and ask if they can share some info with you…I don’t think they have a problem doing that.

  45. Troy Says:

    igaveup Says:

    September 18, 2009 at 12:08 am
    wonder what Troy would catch with Leo as the bait?
    What else would one catch with a lawyer, except for a bottom feeding carp! 😉

  46. Troy Says:

    Attack On Iran Appears Imminent
    by DefendUSx September 17, 2009 17:40

    Also, Iran doesn’t fit into the world order puzzle – they simply are too much trouble. The same is true for North Korea. Remember the “Axis of Evil”?? I guess we’ll see more of Obama’s true Muslim colors once it gets closer to attacking Iran. It will put a wedge between his agenda for Islam and his agenda for the Puppeteers that put him in office (world order Globalists).

    Kurt Nimmo
    September 17, 2009

    The Associated Press reports today that “experts” at the United Nation’s International Atomic Energy Agency now “are in agreement that Tehran has the ability to make a nuclear bomb and is on the way to developing a missile system able to carry an atomic warhead, according to a secret report.”

    The document says Iran has “sufficient information” to build a bomb and says Iran is likely to “overcome problems” on developing a delivery system, according to the AP.

    In February, the IAEA reported that Iran had not converted the low-grade uranium that it has produced into weapon-grade uranium. “The Austrian Press Agency quoted an IAEA expert as saying that the uranium substances that Iran has produced at its Natanz enrichment facility have been carefully recorded and remote cameras have been installed to supervise part of the stockpile,” The Hindu reported on February 22.

    Iran has denied accusations by the United States and its allies that it has been engaged in a clandestine nuclear weapons program.

    In August, Iran indicated it would continue to co-operate with the United Nations nuclear agency, a foreign ministry spokesman told the BBC. Hassan Qashqavi said that UN inspectors were allowed access to Iran’s nearly complete nuclear reactor at Arak. “All our nuclear activities have been within the framework of the agency and the NPT (nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty)… ElBaradei has always confirmed Iran’s co-operation with the agency,” Qashqavi told reporters.

    Earlier this month, IAEA chief Mohamed ElBaradei condemned allegations that the agency is withholding information on Iran’s nuclear program. In “a thinly-veiled reference to recent Israeli criticism. ElBaradei was reacting to increasing Israeli pressure on the Vienna-based agency that coincides with the nearing of a September deadline set by the United States to pressure Iran into nuclear talks,” Earth Times reported on September 7. In his latest report on Iran, ElBaradei said the country had been more cooperative in letting his agency monitor the uranium enrichment plant in Natanz and a heavy water reactor under construction.

    IAEA Director General Mohamed ElBaradei condemns “politically motivated” accusations against the agency.

    Israel accuses ElBaradei and the IAEA of “dereliction of duty” and claims he deliberately withheld incriminating information on Iran’s nuclear plans in a report published in late August.

    The IAEA document in question was apparently released by the agency today.

    In response, Iran attempted to enlist the support of developing countries at the IAEA for a proposed ban of attacks on its nuclear sites. “Tehran wanted the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) to pass a resolution prohibiting armed attacks or threats of armed attacks on nuclear facilities in operation or under construction. But the Non-Aligned Movement (NAM), comprised of developing countries, refused to support this proposal, leaving open the question about the support Iran could get at the general meeting,” the AFP reports today.

    On September 16, Newsweek reported that the U.S. intelligence community believes Iran has not restarted its nuclear-weapons development program. “This latest U.S. intelligence-community assessment is potentially controversial for several reasons, not the least of which is that it is at odds with more alarming assessments propounded by key U.S. allies, most notably Israel. Officials of Israel’s conservative-led government have been delivering increasingly dire assessments of Iran’s nuclear progress and have leaked shrill threats about a possible Israeli military attack on Iranian nuclear facilities,” Mark Hosenball writes.
    Israel has insisted for years that Iran is developing nuclear weapons and has threatened to attack the Islamic republic. “Israel is drawing up plans to attack Iran’s nuclear facilities and is prepared to launch a strike without backing from the US,” The Times Online reported in December, 2008. Ehud Olmert, then Israeli prime minister, reportedly asked the US for a green light to attack Iranian facilities as recently as May, 2008.

    On September 16, the globalist Bipartisan Policy Center released a report calling for “crippling sanctions” on Iran and said if sanctions fail “the White House will have to begin serious consideration of the option of a U.S.-led military strike against Iranian nuclear facilities.”

    In April of this year, Israel indicated its military is preparing to launch a massive aerial assault on Iran’s nuclear facilities within days of being given the go-ahead. “Israel wants to know that if its forces were given the green light they could strike at Iran in a matter of days, even hours. They are making preparations on every level for this eventuality. The message to Iran is that the threat is not just words,” a defense official told The Times Online.

    Russian PM Vladimir Putin has warned Israel and the United States against attacking Iran. Putin said any attack on Iran would be “very dangerous, unacceptable” and would lead to “an explosion of terrorism,” the BBC reported on September 11. “I doubt very much that such strikes would achieve their stated goal,” he added.

    Earlier this week, former UN ambassador and leading neocon John R. Bolton said sanctions against Iran will fail. He said that “whatever momentum there was for additional sanctions on Iran … has now disappeared,” Bolton said during a panel discussion Tuesday at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C.

    In August, Bolton said a military strike against Iran will be the only way to prevent Iran from attacking Israel. He also predicted Israel would attack Iran before the end of the year (see the following Russia Today video).

    Leading neocon John Bolton makes the case for a mass murder campagin aimed at Iran.

    In 2007, Bolton said “that he saw no alternative to a pre-emptive strike on suspected nuclear facilities in the country,” according to the Jerusalem Post. In addition, he called for the assassination of Iran’s president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

    Increasingly, it appears Israel, the United States, or both countries will attack Iran. It is significant that the IAEA has now changed course and believes Iran is working on a nuclear weapon and a delivery system. Such developments make an attack more likely and probably before the end of the year as Bolton has predicted.

  47. CJ Says:

    I sure hope if this attack does happen, that they are sure what Russia will do. That is one govt. that can never be trusted. Ask Poland about Russia. My niece lived there for a couple years and the Polish people have no trust in anything a Russian says. And their mistrust has been justified on all levels. Obama better be getting good advice because he gave up a big win to the Ruskies today. He could have a major problem coming down on his head soon. And as usual, we the people will be the victims if it does.

  48. Troy Says:

    Obama better be getting good advice because he gave up a big win to the Ruskies
    It’s very possible that he is one of them.

  49. Katie Says:

    Listened to Tenacity’s call tonight. How the heck is one supposed to sleep after that???

    Head. Is. Exploding.

  50. Troy Says:

    Good show, Ten!

  51. ryansgrammy Says:

    Greetings Gang — just got back a few minutes ago from our Tea Party meeting. We had a gentlemen there tonight from American Patriots Committee talking to us briefly about the Constitution (he teaches a much longer class) and how for such a long time, we have been voting for the lesser of two evils. He said we need Statesmen and not politicians. I kept thinking about Tenacity!!! This guy encouraged us to go to their site and learn more about the Constitution (they even have an online test) and to get involved.

  52. ryansgrammy Says:

    Another Czar with ties to the Democratic Socialists of America — oh what a surprise.

  53. jrinNC Says:

    Great show Ten

  54. Katie Says:

    Hi Grammy,

    Something you might want to look into that was presented last weekend at our Candlelight Vigil.

    “Read and Understand the Whole Constitution in Under 30 Minutes” is a booklet that has the original Constitution on one side of the book, and the opposite facing page puts it in plain English. At a level that a 6th grader can understand. (just about my speed 😉 ) by Michael Holler

  55. ryansgrammy Says:

    This is a good story — Obama ignoring members of Congress who took him at his word and have been trying to meet with him to go over HR3200 line by line.

  56. Katie Says:

    Grammy – I found this site today and posted it on the last thread.

    Another day for the nation to stand up and be seen and heard. Did anyone mention it at your meeting tonight?

  57. ryansgrammy Says:

    Thanks Katie! I’ll check it out.

  58. Troy Says:

    ryansgrammy Says:

    September 18, 2009 at 3:15 am
    Another Czar with ties to the Democratic Socialists of America — oh what a surprise.
    The communist Van Jones resigns and what does Obama do?…He appoints another communist four days later.

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  60. Troy Says:

    New post from Leo…I hope Orly is paying attention.

  61. Troy Says:

    This is freakin fantastic…A must watch. 😀

  62. Jay Says:

    This is fantastic news!!!

  63. Tenacity Says:

    Thanks for listening tonight gang. I really thought this was one of our best shows. Sleep tight Katie.

    Troy, I will follow up with Kerry.

    jr, I’m still wanting to pursue this so let me know what you hear, please.

    I’m also wanting more on Leo Wanta. He’s been a bit more recluse of late. Any current news will be appreciated.

  64. Bones Says:

    Leo’s new post is huge, in my opinion. I don’t know if it will have the right conduit, but it is huge.

  65. Tenacity Says:

    I figure any link posted by a bot may have a worm or tracking software.

  66. Jay Says:


    You seriously think I would put a worm or track you? I don’t know the first thing about those things and even if I did, I wouldn’t do such a thing. Sheesh. Why are you so paranoid?

  67. Jay Says:

    Well, I’ll post it for the scaredy cats.

    Things just keeping getting worse for Queen Birther Orly Taitz. Yesterday, a federal judge not only threw out her latest “birther soldier” lawsuit, but also took the time to demolish Birtherism generally and threaten Taitz with sanctions if she files more frivolous suits.

    Now, in response to Taitz’s comments to TPM calling the judge corrupt and suggesting he should be tried for treason, a fellow member of the California bar has filed a formal complaint against Taitz.

    “I respectfully request that you investigate Ms. Taitz’s conduct and impose an appropriate sanction. She is an embarrassment to the profession,” writes Subodh Chandra, who practices in Ohio and is also an inactive member of the California bar.

    Read Chandra’s full complaint right here. Chandra was a Democratic candidate for Attorney General of Ohio in 2006 and a delegate to the Democratic National Convention last year.

  68. igaveup Says:

    “What else would one catch with a lawyer, except for a bottom feeding carp!”

    the carp might object to that. is there anything lower on the fish scale (pun intended)?

  69. ryansgrammy Says:

    Bilderberg’s plan for depopulation!!!!!.aspx

  70. ryansgrammy Says:

    Katie — thanks for the link on can you hear us know. I think that’s a great idea!!!!

  71. ryansgrammy Says:

    Nazi Pelosi — that sounds about right!

  72. ryansgrammy Says:

    Is there anything BHO has done yet that is “impeachable” — like the cancellation of the missile defense system????

  73. ryansgrammy Says:

    From Michele Malkin on Acorn/Obama

  74. sdee Says:

    Troy Says:
    September 18, 2009 at 4:01 am

    New post from Leo…I hope Orly is paying attention.

    hey gang – still trying to catchup on work after trip last week.

    Troy, that seems like a brilliantly simple move from Leo. I was thinking the same about Orly – this should show her colors.

    btw a comment on that post says Judge Andrew Napolitano is soliciting ideas for guests on his show. Who better but Leo? The is a poll (you can have up to 3 votes on one click) so let’s get this one out!

  75. ryansgrammy Says:

    So here are the 75 who voted not to take ACORN’s funding away.

  76. Troy Says:

    ryansgrammy Says:

    September 18, 2009 at 10:03 am
    Bilderberg’s plan for depopulation!!!!!.aspx
    the site has been removed

  77. ryansgrammy Says:

    From NY Post about the decision to scrap the missile defense system.

  78. ryansgrammy Says:

    Troy — Go here and view it — it’s still up there.

  79. sdee Says:

    Obama: Legalize illegals to get them health care

    What a web of rhetoric and doublespeak he must weave to keep together his coalition of thieves.

    “so dude, just get a work permit for the US and the dumbass Americanos will pay for your operation”

  80. sdee Says:

    Delete the first word, “Latin”, and it sounds just like our current regime. No?


    “”Latin America’s democracies are experiencing what scholars call hyper-presidentialism — the dominance of the executive branch over the legislature and judiciary. It’s an unhealthy concentration of power that’s achieved by using decrees to bypass other institutions, weakening political parties and changing laws to suit a ruler’s needs. “”

  81. Troy Says:

    Just a reminder.

  82. Troy Says:

    Video you have not seen

    Mitch – in the video – is an American who lives in Honduras. What does he think about the controversy? You have not seen this video so watch it now:
    What the fella in the video doesn’t seem to understand is that there is a global effort underway to communize the entire world and the U.S. is the biggest kink in the globalist’s plans….Obama is the globalist’s puppet who was installed to take down the U.S….This guy either doesn’t know this or won’t come right out and say it….The good people of Honduras kicked the globalists in the nuts just the same way that the good people of the U.S. are kicking Obama in the ACORNs. 😀

  83. Troy Says:

    Connecting the Insidious Obama and ACORN Nexus
    By Larry Johnson

    Barack Obama’s ties to ACORN (see Memeorandum) are not incidental nor are they casual. Bill O’Reilly displayed his fundamental ignorance on the matter last night when he pooh-poohed the notion of an Obama tie simply because “ACORN previously worked” for his campaign. O’Reilly acted like this was ancient history. Sorry Bill, but you do not know what the hell you are talking about. The latest saga of ACORN as an enabler of child prostitution, illegal immigration and tax fraud is not new.

    The money given to ACORN through one of its front companies–CSI–was not a simple clerical error. The Obama Presidential campaign deliberately tried to hide its relationship to ACORN and funneling almost $1 million dollars to ACORN by using a group with no experience doing the task that it was ostensibly hired to do. The story is pretty simple–it is about Citizen Services Inc., a Nigerian director of CSI living in Minnesota and false campaign financing report.

    I first wrote this story last August (see here). We passed this information first to David Brown, a reporter in Pittsburgh, who broke the story publicly in early August. So far the mainstream press has failed to investigate this matter. Here are the key details.
    The Obama team gave Citizen Services Inc. more than $800,000 ostensibly for “staging and lighting.” We reported (our own intrepid Eastan MacNeal) the following:

    According to Federal Election Commission (FEC) financial disclosure reports filed by the campaign earlier this year, between February 25th and May 17th Obama paid $832,598 to Citizens Services, Inc. (CSI), one of the nearly seventy Not-for-Profit companies registered at the ACORN New Orleans headquarters on 1024 Elysian Fields Avenue [SEE IMAGE OF THE NATIONAL HEADQUARTERS of CSI as well as 20 other businesses.]. CSI now also shares an office with ACORN in Chicago at 209 W. Jackson St., home of the SEIU (Service Employees International Union). . . . According to the director (of CSI), and as found in various disclosure reports from other candidates, CSI specializes in field operations, specifically grass roots organizing for get out the vote efforts. The Obama expense reports list the following payments to CSI: $564,342 for Stage, Sound, Lighting, $138,000 for Advance Work, $18,417 for Polling and $98,451 for Travel/Lodging.

    Only one itty, bitty problem. CSI had no track record of performing such services. When the Obama team was confronted with this uncomfortable fact they quickly pivoted and claimed, “Oh, we made a labeling mistake, it was just to get out the vote.” And the media and most of the public swallowed that horseshit without pause.

    But that was a lie. How do I know? Because I tracked down one of the Directors of CSI, one Mr. Sunday Oladimeji Alabi. According to one of the documents filed with the State of Louisiana the Directors in 2006 were:

    Filing 3
    Filed Date: 06/01/2006
    Filing Number: 36196988
    Comments: ANNUAL REPORT (06)

    Officers – As Of – 04/20/2007
    Contact Type: OFFICER
    Address: 1201 E 22ND ST
    MINNEAPOLIS, MN 55404-2969

    Contact Type: OFFICER
    Address: 621 PROSPECT ST
    EL PASO, TX 79902-3745

    Contact Type: OFFICER
    Address: 3990 DELTA ST
    SAN DIEGO, CA 92113-4206

    I searched the internet and found Mr. Alabi’s phone number. Mr. Alabi answered the phone and I introduced myself using my real name. But I did tell a white lie–I said I got his name and number from Bob Shrum at the Democratic National Committee. He hesitated. When I repeated that I got his name and number from the DNC he brightened up and became quite chatty. Using the Obama FEC filing as my guide I told Mr. Alabi that I needed to hire Citizen Services to help my campaign with “Staging, Sound, and Lighting.” Without a moments hesitation Mr. Alabi told me, “we don’t do that.” He went on to identify ACORN as the organization that handles those matters and he told me to contact Marc Seiden (he gave me a cell phone number for Mr. Seiden, which is a District of Columbia cell phone). Are there any legit journalists interested in Mr. Seiden’s phone number? It is still working as I write this.

    Note that Mr. Alabi did not take time to correct me and tell me that he and his group only did “get out the vote” work. He directed me to a person he says is affiliated with the ACORN office in Washington. So who is Eric Seiden? What was his role with the Obama campaign? Who did he talk to in order to ensure the “get out the vote” effort was effective.

    Why did the Obama team select CSI/ACORN for a critical role in getting out the vote? Who on the Obama team recommended that CSI/ACORN had the requisite expertise? Let’s remember that Obama was in a longshot position of winning the election when they turned to CSI and sent them almost $1 million dollars. Given that Barack Obama and David Axelrod are so damn intelligent (Did you know that Barack is the smartest person ever to be President? I heard that on the radio.) are we to believe that they just made a blind choice completely devoid of any research or back up testimonial? I don’t think so.

    If you want to understand why ACORN offices across the country are able to give crafty advice on avoiding taxes, fooling the police and setting up child prostitution businesses then you must first understand why the campaign of Barack Obama gave almost $1 million to an organization with no track record in doing the electioneering work they were hired to do.

    Anyone out there willing to go get these answers?

  84. Troy Says:

    I have a feeling that DeMint and Pence are two that will feeding Beck some inside info.
    We Can’t Even Trim $1.4 Million From Our Budgetby Anthony Randazzo

    Riding the wave of the GOP’s successful push to have Congress defund Acorn, Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC) tried to push through another prudential budget matter: killing the John Murtha-Johnstown Cambria County Airport. His effort was not as successful.

    On Thursday afternoon, the GOP brought a measure to the Senate floor to end federal subsidies for the airport Rep. John Murtha (D-PA) had built in Johnstown, PA, right in his home district. Over the past few years, the airport has received roughly $150 million in funds from the defense budget, and it got $800,000 in stimulus money.

    But it just so happens the airport only sees about 6,700 passengers… a year. Luckily, Murtha is the chairman of that wonderful little defense committee, dutifully guiding money towards the airport build largely so he could get from Dulles back to his home easier.

    Tyler Grimm wrote in The Wall Street Journal earlier this month:

    The usually barren airport—there were several times during the day I paced the building for 15 minutes and did not see another human being—has a lot of unused advertising space. But you can’t miss the large picture of John Murtha among a collage of Lockheed Martin workers at the airport’s center. It’s a monument to earmarks: “Partnerships Make a World of Difference,” the ad reads.

    The Senate voted mostly down party lines to keep the $1.4 million in annual spending on the airport in the budget. Yes, we spend that much money to operate to fund an airport that is losing money and seeing maybe 20 people pass through a day.

    Now, it’s true that the deficit is a behemoth in the trillions, but every little $1.4 million helps. Keeping this obvious, greasy piece of pork is a travesty worthy of a loud grunt of frustration and a snifter of brandy. As Sen. DeMint exclaimed, “If we can’t stop it, we can’t stop anything.”

    A new era of fiscal responsibility indeed.

  85. Troy Says:

    Olympic-sized boondoggle: What Valerie Jarrett and Michelle Obama are up to
    By Michelle Malkin • September 18, 2009 09:59 AM

  86. ryansgrammy Says:

    Troy Says:

    September 18, 2009 at 2:56 pm
    Olympic-sized boondoggle: What Valerie Jarrett and Michelle Obama are up to
    And for this MO needs 22 full time employees!!!!

  87. Troy Says:

    Wow, is everyone still asleep?….Everyone in bed sick with the swine flu?


  88. ryansgrammy Says:

    The the latest at the Obama File–this is our new regulatory czar that the Fools on the Hill recently confirmed!!!!!

    Obama Should Interpret Law, Not Courts

    Federal law should not be interpreted by judges but by the U.S. president, according to Obama’s newly confirmed regulatory czar, Cass Sunstein.

  89. ryansgrammy Says:

    chirp! chirp!

  90. ryansgrammy Says:

    Troy — what’s up with this arrest in Houston.

  91. Troy Says:

    ryansgrammy Says:

    September 18, 2009 at 3:34 pm
    Troy — what’s up with this arrest in Houston.
    I don’t know because I don’t watch local network Obama television, but after reading the story I think he should file a lawsuit against HPD.

  92. Troy Says:

    It seems like a slow Friday today…Nobody seems to be posting much new material.

  93. rosettasister Says:

    8:48 AM Pacific

    Good morning, America! How are you?!

  94. NeConservative Says:

    Next TEA parties? Nov. 1, 2009 at every liberal media national HQ it’s Stamp Act anniversary day
    September 18, 2009, 7:07 am
    By Kevin “Coach” Collins

    The explosive power of 2,200,000 American patriots converging on Washington can’t be wasted.
    So “What’s next, where and when?”
    Targeting the media
    We know the Left owns the media. They lied by about our numbers to tamp down the fires of liberty and help their masters. They never mentioned the hundreds of local TEA parties in 45 states from Maine to Hawaii. Media lies about our TEA parties and their size are a danger to American freedom and liberty. We have to confront the media and keep up the pressure.
    Here’s our next step and when
    Since the media “didn’t notice” 2.2 million people gathering in Washington we should do what Rush suggested and gather at their headquarters across the country.
    November 1 seems to be an ideal date. It’s the anniversary of the British Parliament’s passing the Stamp Act in 1765. That led to the first tax revolt in American history which was a huge success. In one year England had to repeal it.

    With the flames of protest in our streets still burning brightly we can easily get huge crowds out to show the media we’re tired of their slanted anti American reporting.

    With CNN in Atlanta, the AP in Washington and NBC in New York City the distribution of logistics and planning are perfect for another successful day.

    In New York City gathering in front of NBC headquarters at Rockefeller Center on a crisp Sunday afternoon would be an easy goal. Rockefeller Center is in the heart of Manhattan where the liberals live and work. Transportation to Rockefeller Center is easy from anywhere in a metropolitan area including 17 million people.

    Atlanta is an accessible hub city and of course Washington is as well.

    This works people. Contact your local TEA party organizers and “Let’s roll!”

    Keeping the momentum up

    We’ve made our point to the liberals in Congress. They saw first hand up close and personally that we will not stand for their continued assaults on our freedom and liberty.
    Now we have to make the point to their puppets in the media. We have to let them know their conduct is unacceptable and clearly the reason why the number of people who trust them is at a record low. We have to force them to live up to the responsibilities and freedoms won for us and them by our first Revolution and they had better get on board for our second Revolution.

    We can’t let this flame go out. We have the wind at our backs and have the Left on the run. We have them down and can’t allow them to get back up.

  95. Troy Says:

    Up your’s Obama!!!…Kicked in the ACORNs again!!!!
    Unearthed! Obama’s twisted ACORN roots
    Track timeline of president’s ties to group immersed in scandals

    Posted: September 18, 2009
    12:10 am Eastern

    By Chelsea Schilling
    © 2009 WorldNetDaily

    ACORN (photo: Dickinson College)

    While ACORN remains riddled in scandal, lawmakers have voted to cut off federal funding to the group, the U.S. Census Bureau has severed ties to the organization – and the White House has blasted its behavior as “unnacceptable.”

    But just how extensive are President Obama’s personal ties to ACORN?

    The following is a timeline outlining some of the purported connections between the president and ACORN through the years:

    The rest is here:

  96. sdee Says:

    Troy Says:
    What the fella in the video doesn’t seem to understand is that there is a global effort underway to communize the entire world and the U.S. is the biggest kink in the globalist’s plans….….This guy either doesn’t know this or won’t come right out and say it

    I watched her interview with Micheletti – he repeated a few times that Obama and Clinton backed the wrong horse – that they do not understand what eally happened in Honduras.


    I do not know if Micheletti actually believes that crp, or if he was walking a fine line to communicate to the people of the US without pissing off the administration.

    Fox news is helping no one by not presenting a simple analysis.

  97. sdee Says:


    US Government and CAIR team up to set precedent for Isalmization of America.

    This is how it starts folks. A stick in your eye.

  98. NeConservative Says:

    Johanns is looking good!!

    Under fire, Democrats abandon ACORN in droves
    By: Byron York
    Chief Political Correspondent
    September 18, 2009
    (AP File)
    Back in February, during the Democrats’ frenzied rush to pass the $787 billion economic stimulus bill, Republican Sen. David Vitter offered a simple, 28-word amendment: “None of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used directly or indirectly to fund the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.” Vitter’s amendment was shot down, 51-45, with all the votes coming from the Democratic majority.

    At about the same time, GOP lawmakers introduced similar measures in the House. Those, too, were defeated by Democratic majorities.

    Fast-forward to Monday, Sept. 14. A Housing Department appropriations bill was moving through the Senate, and Republican Sen. Mike Johanns offered an amendment that was nearly word-for-word identical to the one Vitter introduced back in February, barring all federal housing funds for ACORN. This time, the ACORN-defunding amendment passed, 83-7. The winning total included 50 — yes, 50 — Democrats. Liberals like Chris Dodd, Dianne Feinstein, Carl Levin, Charles Schumer and others who supported ACORN back in February all changed their votes to approve the cutoff of funds.

    That was just a preview of what would happen on Thursday, across the Capitol in the House of Representatives. Just 48 hours after Republican Leader John Boehner introduced the “Defund ACORN Act,” which would ban all federal funds for the group, the House Democratic leadership agreed to a vote on the bill. Boehner’s measure passed 345-to-75, with 172 Democrats voting to cut off funds for an organization that had long worked on behalf of Democrats nationwide.

    It was an absolutely mind-blowing turn of events, a total collapse of longtime Democratic support for ACORN. Republicans had worked for years to reduce ACORN’s influence, with little success. Now, in the span of a few days, the GOP scored major victories.

    Everybody knows why. None of this would have happened had it not been for undercover videos, released on the new Web site BigGovernment, which caught ACORN employees in Baltimore, Washington, New York City and California in the act of encouraging tax fraud and prostitution, including prostitution involving underage girls. The videos, which were ignored by most big media organizations other than Fox News, had a huge effect on Capitol Hill.

    “I was stunned by what I saw,” says Johanns, who has had his eye on ACORN since joining the Senate in January. “I just could not believe that you could have a situation where people were so complacent, so complicit, in what was clearly activity that was not only illegal but just unbelievably wrong.”

    The BigGovernment videos came in the wake of news that arrest warrants had been issued for 11 former ACORN workers in Florida accused of forging hundreds of voter registration applications. In light of those revelations, lawmakers who once felt confident voting on ACORN’s behalf were forced to reconsider; a vote for ACORN was no longer safe. In literally hours, years of Democratic sponsorship of ACORN virtually disappeared.

    There are still many steps ahead. Johanns and others have introduced a new bill, the “Protect Taxpayers from ACORN Act,” which would do the same thing as the total-defunding bill in the House. If it passes, there will be a conference committee to reach agreement on a final version of the bill, which will then have to pass the House and Senate before winning President Obama’s signature. At any point along the way, Democrats might reverse themselves and again take up ACORN’s cause.

    Then there is what Republicans see as Part Two of the process. For the GOP, the goal is not just to cut off ACORN’s federal money. It’s to get to the bottom of all the allegations of corruption at ACORN and affiliated organizations around the country. On Tuesday, Johanns sent a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder urging a Justice Department investigation into the full range of ACORN allegations. Rep. Lamar Smith in the House made a similar request. No word yet on what Holder will decide.

    There’s no way to know how it will end. But it’s now a fact that there are on-the-record votes of large majorities of Democrats favoring the total cutoff of federal funds for ACORN — a virtually unheard-of possibility just one week ago. What a difference a video can make.

    Byron York, The Examiner’s chief political correspondent, can be contacted at His column appears on Tuesday and Friday, and his stories and blog posts appears on

  99. sdee Says:

    Troy Says:
    September 18, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    Unearthed! Obama’s twisted ACORN roots
    Track timeline of president’s ties to group immersed in scandals

    Ah shucks Troy, O’Reilly says it just ain’t so, Bo’s as clean as the driven snow.

  100. sdee Says:

    I think someone should apply for a job a Caribou Coffee insist on wearing his yamaka. Lt’s see is the EEOC steps in.

    Hmmm – you know I never saw any hajibs or burquas in Caribou come to think of it. Gues it might tip off the Christians. But then again, I do spent my American dollars there anymore anyway.
    A few tidbits…..Go to Starbucks

    In 1990, on a trip to Denali National Park in Alaska, Caribou Coffee was imagined by newlyweds John and Kim Puckett. The couple raised money to start the first Caribou Coffee shop in Edina, Minnesota… the Pucketts sold their controlling interest in the company in 1998 for $120 million to Atlanta-based Crescent Capital, which has since changed its name to Arcapita. Caribou maintains its headquarters and coffee-roasting facility in the Minneapolis metropolitan area.

    The First Islamic Investment Bank of Bahrain has a large financial stake in Arcapita, Caribou Coffee’s majority shareholder. In 2002 Yusuf al-Qaradawi’s involvement[6] with the bank led to a protest of Caribou Coffee. That same year al-Qaradawi stepped down as chairman of the bank’s Sharia board.

  101. sdee Says:

    I do NOT spent my American dollars there anymore anyway.

  102. CJ Says:

    Troy is anybody going after the connection of Obama and Acorn in the media? Beck touched on it briefly. O’Reilly scoffed at it. What about Hannitty or Rush? Haven’t heard much of anything from them re Obama/Acorn. All the media seems to have finally begun reporting Acorn story, but will the biggest connection be made and investigated? Doubtful, but we can hope. According to Beck and others, Acorn is just one tentacle of many and will morph into other organizations. Keep aware everyone and spread the words of truth to those who don’t listen to the facts.

  103. rosettasister Says:

    Health Policy Experts Urge Congress To Abandon Ideological Differences On Overhaul

    Many of the panelists, who were involved in past failed health reform efforts, warned that the financial security of the middle class is in danger if Congress does not act.

    Princeton economist Uwe Reinhardt, who was among the co-signers, noted in a statement that a typical privately insured American family now pays $16,700 for health care, which will double again by 2019 while wages and salaries rise at less than 3 percent per year. “Many middle-class Americans seem unaware that they are sailing into a perfect storm,” he said.

    (I get this, I really do. My main concern now is that Congress will provide employers with an incentive to drop coverage. And then those who won’t qualify for subsidies will have to pay the entire cost instead of employers paying their share.)

  104. rosettasister Says:

    Iran Updates:

  105. rosettasister Says:

    Iran Updates:

  106. rosettasister Says:

    Iran,Tehran,video5,18 SEPTEMBER 2009,27 SHAHRIVAR 1388

  107. rosettasister Says:

    More video here:

  108. Katie Says:

    Beck said to watch or record tonight’s show on FOX. He said ACORN is just a tiny part of the problem and tonight you get to see the big picture.

    Chances are it won’t be much new for those of us who have been researching for months, but perhaps it gets presented to more people.

  109. rosettasister Says:


    Iranian president raises stakes against Israel

    The hardline president warned leaders of Western-allied Arab and Muslim countries about dealing with Israel.

    “This regime (Israel) will not last long. Do not tie your fate to it … This regime has no future. Its life has come to an end,” he said in a speech broadcast live on state radio.

    Britain was swift in condemning Ahmadinejad’s remarks, calling them “abhorrent as well as ignorant.”

    “It is very important that the world community stands up against this tide of abuse. This outburst is not worthy of the leader of Iran,” Foreign Secretary David Miliband said.


    At home, Ahmadinejad is facing strong opposition which erupted into unrest following his disputed re-election in June.

    On Friday, Iranian security forces clashed with supporters of opposition leader Mirhossein Mousavi and arrested at least 10 of them during annual anti-Israel rallies in Tehran.

    Thousands of supporters of Mousavi, wearing green wristbands or shawls, were among crowds marching in the “Qods Day” rallies.

  110. sdee Says:

    Katie Says:

    Beck said to watch or record tonight’s show on FOX. Chances are it won’t be much new for those of us who have been researching for months, but perhaps it gets presented to more people.

    I think that is what Beck does well – it is mind boggling hard to get people to realize that their reality, is not.

  111. rosettasister Says:

    @AlexFreeIran @USA4Freedom Oppostion leaders are calling for qods to b about oppressed people internationally not israel

  112. rosettasister Says:

    Good pics here:

    Mousavi, Karoubi and Khatami among the protesters

  113. rosettasister Says:

    In case j.b. is lurking!


    I said a little prayer for you in the middle of the night.

    In Jesus Name, God Be With You. So Be It!

    Please get well soon!

    And the same goes for all of you out there in LurkerLand who need a healing touch.


  114. Troy Says:

    I bet that Obama’s aching ACORNs are beginning to need a healing touch…Any takers?….Ewwww!!!!!!….Mr. Sinclair, are you out there???

  115. ryansgrammy Says:

    Its sad to see that this American Patriot has to deal with so much racism!

  116. ryansgrammy Says:

    I just noticed at the end of the CFP article is Lloyd Marcus’ email so I sent him an email to thank him for his dedication and patriotism!

    Here it is if you are so inclined!

  117. ryansgrammy Says:

    Troy Says:

    September 18, 2009 at 4:58 pm
    I bet that Obama’s aching ACORNs are beginning to need a healing touch…Any takers?….

    Don’t don’t forget he now has the “loving” touch right there in the WH — Reggie Love

  118. rosettasister Says:

    Troy Says:
    September 18, 2009 at 4:58 pm

    I’m not touching that one with a ten-foot pole!

  119. rosettasister Says:

    Baucus Bill: Employer Mandate in Sheep’s Clothing

    Under Baucus’s plan, if you own a company with more than 50 full-time employees and you don’t have employee health coverage, you will have to pay part of the government’s cost to help those uninsured folks in your company afford an insurance policy.

    Sound reasonable?

    Under Baucus’ bill, companies with more than 50 full-time workers — regardless of the size of their payroll — would be charged a fee for each worker who receives federal tax credits to purchase his or her own insurance.

    Workers would be eligible for the credit if their income was below a certain amount and if their employer didn’t offer coverage that they could afford.

    The fee would be based on the average cost of insurance sold through state-run exchanges set up under the bill.

    The levy could be as much as $400 per worker, so that 75-worker firm in the earlier example would have to pay up to $30,000 if every employee got the tax credit.

    Baucus would charge a fee only for each individual worker who claimed the tax credit.

    So it’s possible you could have an uninsured workforce at a company where some employees were more tax-savvy than others.

    Or a business might have a highly paid workforce where no one would qualify for the affordability credit.
    So there’s no explicit mandate.

    But the implied message is still the same:

    Insure your workers who would have trouble paying the full cost of health insurance or pay the government to pick up the slack.

    (So pay the government a lousy $400 instead of $10,000? Where’s the incentive for employers who currently provide coverage to continue to do that? I still don’t get it.)

  120. ryansgrammy Says:

    From FR — Liartown Zero dollars

  121. rosettasister Says:

  122. ryansgrammy Says:

    More and more weaking up — PTL!

  123. ryansgrammy Says:

    oops — waking up 🙂

  124. rosettasister Says:

    (I am curious to know what happened in Massachusetts with RomneyCare. Did an employer mandate lead to employers dropping coverage? I’m not sure if this is even a fair comparison.)

    April 20, 2006

    Understanding Key Parts of the Massachusetts Health Plan

    • The new employer “mandate”: The Governor’s original proposal did not include an employer mandate. The legislature, however, decided to add requirements for employers to its final legislation. For years, employers in Massachusetts that purchased coverage for their employees have had to pay a health insurance premium tax to the state’s uncompensated care pool. This tax applied only to employers paying for insurance—not to employers that didn’t provide coverage, despite that many of their employees benefited from the uncompensated care pool. Ideally, the plan should have repealed the existing premium tax.[1] Instead, the legislature inserted a provision that will require companies that do not make any provision for insurance to pay a levy—set at a maximum of $295 per employee per year—into the state’s uncompensated care pool.

    The Governor vetoed this provision under his line-item veto authority, but the legislature will likely vote to reinstate it. Still, this requirement, though objectionable, actually is quite limited. This new fee can easily be avoided: firms subject to it need only offer their employees a Section 125 Cafeteria Plan and give them the opportunity to buy coverage through the new health insurance Connector on a pre-tax basis to escape the levy at little expense. Further, the actual assessment is likely to be less than the statutory maximum of $295 because the other legislative provisions in the plan are designed to reduce the demand on the uncompensated care pool.

  125. ryansgrammy Says:

    I always love a good video especially if I have popcorn, opps I mean acorns. 😉

  126. NeConservative Says:

    Gary Grado, Tribune

    September 17, 2009 – 4:14PM

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    Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio alleged Thursday that a national community activist organization is using federal and state funds to fight his efforts to enforce immigration law.

    Arpaio sent subpoenas to the local chapter and national headquarters of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN, asking for a wide array of records he says will connect the organization to a racial profiling lawsuit he is challenging in federal court.

    That lawsuit was filed by the immigrant advocacy group Somos America and five Latinos, all of whom are U.S. citizens or are in the country legally, according to the suit.

    They allege that Arpaio’s deputies singled them out because of their skin color and that the agency has a policy, pattern and practice of racially profiling Latinos, especially during “crime suppression sweeps.”

    ACORN has been under fire recently after secret video revealed employees advising a pair posing as a pimp and prostitute to break tax laws and open a brothel for underaged girls.

    The left-leaning group is also under scrutiny for several voter-fraud cases.

    ACORN’s local office did not immediately return a call seeking comment.

  127. ryansgrammy Says:

    Bye for now gang — enjoy!

  128. Goferit Says:

    Thanks for the Blessing, Rose!

  129. rosettasister Says:

    Goferit Says:
    September 18, 2009 at 5:41 pm

    Thanks for the Blessing, Rose!


    My pleasure!

    Wouldn’t it be something if we all prayed for the same person at the same time?

  130. rosettasister Says:

    “Arpaio sent subpoenas to the local chapter and national headquarters of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN, asking for a wide array of records he says will connect the organization to a racial profiling lawsuit he is challenging in federal court.”

    Good timing by Arpaio.

    He may be a bastard, but he’s our bastard!

    Hands off!

  131. rosettasister Says:

    Health care reform faces inconvenient questions

    5. Will employers stop providing health care coverage if a public plan is available?

    There is no plan in Congress to prevent this. The Congressional Budget Office found that if one Democratic plan in the Senate becomes law, “about 6 million people who would have employment-based coverage under current law would not have such coverage under the proposal.”

    (“if a public plan is available” – Would the same hold true if a coop is available?)

    (BTW I’m pretty sure the CBO found this won’t happen with BaucusCare. And that’s the part I don’t get. Why not?)

  132. Goferit Says:

    Awesome, set a time and we’ll start with JB!

  133. NeConservative Says:

    ACORN & the Dems, yes, they’re in bed together

    from NRO’s Campaign Spot

    Friday, September 18, 2009


    Maybe They Meant They’re Not in Bed Together

    I’m sure we’ll be told there’s absolutely no reason to worry or feel concern upon hearing that local Democratic parties are sharing offices with ACORN:

    ACORN workers in King County were convicted of committing voter fraud in 2006. Similar accusations were made during last year’s presidential election, when ACORN volunteers registered an estimated 1.3 million voters. Eleven ACORN employees in Miami were arrested last week and charged with voter registration fraud.

    No such accusations have been made against the local ACORN office, which has been in Snohomish County since 2007, where they share an office with the county’s Democratic Party and the Snohomish County Labor Council.

    But remember, ACORN is a non-partisan organization.

    UPDATE: I’m sure it’s completely coincidental that Rep. Rick Larsen, whose district includes a large part of Sonohomish County, voted to keep federal tax dollars to ACORN despite their offers of assistance to underage prostitution rings.

    09/18 12:07 PMShare

  134. rosettasister Says:

    Goferit Says:
    September 18, 2009 at 5:55 pm

    Awesome, set a time and we’ll start with JB!


    Tomorrow morning, Saturday.

    8:00 – 8:15 AM Pacific

    9:00 – 9:15 AM Mountain

    10:00 – 10:15 AM Central

    11:00 – 11:15 AM Eastern

    All who can join us, please do!

    My kids love this song:

  135. Troy Says:

    Obamanoids Rabidly Cheer Removal Of Man For Daring To Call Der Fuhrer A Liar
    by DefendUSx September 18, 2009 12:47

    Video here:

    At a health care rally at a Maryland university, a protester began shouting, prompting boos and President Obama to pause. The man apparently yelled “Obama you’re a liar. Obama, your health care kills children. Abortion is murder.”

    The man was promptly removed by police, much to the joy of rabidly cheering Obamanoids, who feverishly demanded the man be carted off for having the temerity to challenge Der Fuhrer.

    Watch as the guy is being led up the stairs, an Obamanoid stood on the left spits on him but the cop sees it and carts him off too.

  136. Troy Says:

    Converting illegal aliens into Democrat voters…Who needs ACORN’s voter fraud anymore?…We’ll have more new votes than we can shake a stick at….This isn’t rocket science….grrrrr
    Obama: Legalize illegals to get them health care
    by DefendUSx September 18, 2009 12:50

    Republicans see a backdoor move toward ‘amnesty’

    Stephen Dinan
    Washington Times
    Friday, September 18, 2009

    Obama said this week that his health care plan won’t cover illegal immigrants, but argued that’s all the more reason to legalize them and ensure they eventually do get coverage.

    He also staked out a position that anyone in the country legally should be covered – a major break with the 1996 welfare reform bill, which limited most federal public assistance programs only to citizens and longtime immigrants.

    “Even though I do not believe we can extend coverage to those who are here illegally, I also don’t simply believe we can simply ignore the fact that our immigration system is broken,” Mr. Obama said Wednesday evening in a speech to the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute. “That’s why I strongly support making sure folks who are here legally have access to affordable, quality health insurance under this plan, just like everybody else.

    Mr. Obama added, “If anything, this debate underscores the necessity of passing comprehensive immigration reform and resolving the issue of 12 million undocumented people living and working in this country once and for all.”

    Republicans said that amounts to an amnesty, calling it a backdoor effort to make sure current illegal immigrants get health care.

  137. rosettasister Says:

    Towards Rational Health Care Reform

    Take BaucusCare, remove the co-ops, add incentives for new insurance companies to enter the market, and add in tort reform, and you basically have a solid package that would solve the majority of our current health care financing problems at a very low price tag to the state, and one that doesn’t threaten the quality of our health care or get the state involved in medical decision-making.

    But aside from the Grassleys and Enzis, who would support such legislation and probably will if Mitt Romney is president four years from now, there are two groups that refuse to support the proposal that I’ve outlined.

    The first group is the Tea Party/Glenn Beck Right, which sees any health care legislation as a liberty v. tyranny issue.

    The second group is the Left, which, to paraphrase Newt Gingrich and Tim Pawlenty, is bound and determined to enact a 1970s solution to health care in the 21st Century.

    Both groups are wrong.

    What the Tea Partiers need to realize is that government regulation of health care is not like, say, government regulation of the Internet.

    Health care reform doesn’t mean government begins regulating what is currently a wonderful free-market mess.

    The health care industry is already an extremely highly regulated industry.

    It’s just regulated in a way that makes sense for the world of thirty years ago.

    What reformers want to do is change the way the government regulates the health care industry, so that instead of being regulated in a dumb way, it’s regulated in a smart way.

    That’s not liberty and tyranny.

    That just makes sense.

    (I don’t know who this DaveG is. My questions – Does his proposal have a chance of becoming law? An individual mandate? Get rid of the hated pre-existing condition? Provide incentive for employers NOT to drop coverage?)

  138. rosettasister Says:

    Awful healthcare poll for the White House

    Some polling results from a healthcare poll from global branding firm Siegel+Gale:

    – 37 percent understand the president’s plan
    – 17 percent believe the plan is deficit neutral
    – 20 percent believe funding will come from a fine on the wealthy.
    – 32 percent actually support the president’s plan
    – 40 percent have no idea how is being paid for
    – 34 percent think everyone other than Congress will be pushed into public plan

    “Clearly the whole health care issue is fraught with complexity, political in-fighting, and emotion that is not helped by poor media coverage.

    So I’m not surprised that the American people have thrown up their hands – even sophisticated consumer advocates are not clear about the plan,” says Alan Siegel, Chairman and Founder of Siegel+Gale.

    Time for another speech!

  139. rosettasister Says:

    Presidential Approval

    Total Approve 48
    Total Disapprove 51

  140. rosettasister Says:

    Millions In The Streets Of Tehran

    Another extraordinary day in Iran, and Michael Ledeen has been live-blogging it, including the tweet-storm from within Iran that made his coverage of the last protests so electrifying.

    The regime supporters yell “Death to israel!” and the Greens chant back “Death to Russia!”

    Look for Barack Obama to vote present.

  141. rosettasister Says:

    From Michael Ledeen

    Machiavelli says that the most dangerous thing for any leader is to become an object of contempt. That may well be happening now in Iran. The Basij were truly feared, but today they were blocked and beaten and their motorcycles were burned. Some of them reportedly went over to the masses.

    Can you imagine the volume of the cries of “Death to the Dictator!” tonight?

    12:58 “ No or awfully slow and weirdly filtered internet connections reported from everywhere!”

    13:13 Another sign of fear from the regime, perhaps the most menacing to their legitimacy, heh: “Popular soccer match is not broadcasted BECAUSE PPL R CHANTING”

    UPDATE: Some of the game was broadcast in black and white (so you couldn’t see all the GREEN), and with no sound (so you couldn’t hear the CHANTS).

  142. sdee Says:

    That Bo – he can really drive a hard bargain. Putin can’t wait for more.

    Russia’s Putin Praises Obama’s Missile Defense Decision:

    “”He calls dropping plans for missile shield installations ‘very right and brave’ and suggests it should be the first in a series of U.S. concessions — without any equivalent compromises from Moscow.””,0,2726164.story

  143. rosettasister Says:

    Inside the Twisted Mind of a Government Tax Planner

    The tax planners have attempted to “fix the market’s behavior, and then fix the perverse consequences of their original intervention.

    Inevitably a new perverse consequence is created.

    All of this for what?

    Wages are determined by productivity – this measure only strong-arms employers into offering compensation in a less liquid form than cash.

    However undesirable the other health care goals of central planners may be, none of them require an employee mandate.

    Planners could just as easily force citizens to buy health care with an individual mandate – then consumers would have at least the option of directly picking their preferred level of insurance.

    Community rating, guaranteed issue, pre-existing coverage, and deductible caps do not rely in any important sense on an employer mandate.

    Only Baucus’s arbitrary desire that employer insurance dominate the market is satisfied by this harmful web of byzantine regulations.

    Employers, workers, and taxpayers, as usual, are left with the bill.

  144. rosettasister Says:

    “Baucus’s arbitrary desire that employer insurance dominate the market”

    I’m okay with employer insurance NOT dominating the market.

    I just don’t want my govt to give my employer incentive to dump me into a coop.

    And pay next to nothing ($400) for the privilege of doing so.

  145. igaveup Says:

    i scrolled all the way down first, before reading the posts that i have missed, but i’m so ANGRY that i had to do this first, so please forgive me.



    i feel a little better now. they just keep firing bullets hoping that American citizens will tire or their spirit to fight will be broken.

  146. Troy Says:

    they just keep firing bullets hoping that American citizens will tire or their spirit to fight will be broken.
    The American citizens will start firing back if they aren’t careful…Keep your powder dry.

  147. sdee Says:

    Healthcare Reform

    …It is the solution to our deficit spending and national debt

    …It is a moral imperative

    …Without it, the healthcare system in the United States will collapse

    …It “underscores the necessity of passing comprehensive immigration reform”

    and now – drum roll please….

    It is preventing women from achieving “true equality” in the country.

  148. igaveup Says:

    Question for Rose.

    You wrote that you used to live down here where I do (chandler) and you had a different kind of scorpion up Peoria way than down here in Chandler.

    I’ve only seen the little bark scorpions in my neighborhood, but my parents live in 85283 (south tempe) and they mostly get those huge 3-4 inch buggers. That zip happens to be the most reported bite (poison control data) zip code. My parents have had a few of the barks.

    What kind do you get up Peoria way?

    I (knock on wood) have never been bitten by one and I’ve lived in Tempe/chandler my entire life. I don’t remember seeing any as a kid in North Tempe. I guess that people/scorpion habitats hadn’t clashed that much yet. We used to gets tons of frogs after it rained. Big toad/frogs and then lots of tadpoles and snails. Liked it as a kid, but the thought grosses me out now. 🙂

    After a story appeared of a “big cat” sighting at the Gilbert Riparian Preserve, (and outdoor kitties disappearing), I thought that I’d take a hike around in the early a.m.

    I saw a rather large group gathering and peering through binocs and discussing the “snout” of this mountain lion/bob cat.

    It looked like a normal tabby to me, so I walked around the other side of the preserve and followed it. I decided to call it using the phrase that all domestic cats stop and listen to. I said, “here kitty kitty kitty”. The cat turned around and sat. Listening to me and watching.

    What the group was watching across the pond was a regular orange tabby, albeit a healthy, big one. Lots of birds in the park to eat. As I continued walking around the back of the preserve, there was another orange tabby sunning himself on the top of a transformer box.

    Just thought that was kind of funny.

  149. igaveup Says:

    As an aside, I have never eaten an acorn. When we used to go up to the rim and Flagstaff and camp, I would see what looked like acorns, but I have never roasted nor eaten acorns.

    Squirrels like them, do they taste good?

  150. rosettasister Says:


    Call In # 347-237-4870

    5:30 PM Pacific Time

    6:30 PM Mountain Time

    7:30 PM Central Time

    8:30 PM Eastern Time

    I hope to see you all. Please join us in the Chat room!


  151. sdee Says:

    Step 1 for closing down the net coming Monday.

    FCC is overstepping its bounds and authority, acting unilaterally outside all due process. Obama’s way.

    Think Google is powerful now?

  152. jrinNC Says:

    Gotta tell you folks, stuff is happening everywhere – BE WATCHFUL

    Ex-Chinese Official Details Plan for World Domination

    Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:06 AM

    “Today China observes the entire world, a world that might become part of the Chinese slave empire. Such an empire would be global for the first time. “

  153. jrinNC Says:

    Iranian president raises stakes against Israel

    “Confronting the Zionist regime is a national and religious duty.”

  154. jrinNC Says:

    US Mideast envoy fails to strike settlement deal
    Sep 18 07:24 AM US/Eastern

    “US envoy George Mitchell appeared Friday to have failed to secure a key deal on Jewish settlements aimed at paving the way for a resumption of Middle East peace negotiations. “

  155. jrinNC Says:

    Mexico says millions of swine flu cases possible

    (AP) – 1 day ago

    “Mexico currently has 25,214 reported cases and 217 deaths.”

  156. rosettasister Says:

    Question for Rose.

    You wrote that you used to live down here where I do (chandler) and you had a different kind of scorpion up Peoria way than down here in Chandler.

    I’ve only seen the little bark scorpions in my neighborhood, but my parents live in 85283 (south tempe) and they mostly get those huge 3-4 inch buggers. That zip happens to be the most reported bite (poison control data) zip code. My parents have had a few of the barks.

    What kind do you get up Peoria way?


    Funny you should ask, igaveup, I just had to kill another one this morning. My husband opened the front door, it must have been on the door on the outside and dropped down onto the tile.

    In Chandler, both my husband and son were stung and it’s very painful.

    The closest I’ve come to getting stung happened just a week or so ago. Again, I had gone outside through our bedroom door and one must have climbed onto or fallen onto my dress.

    I had this thread hanging off the bottom of my dress which I hadn’t bothered to cut off. So when I felt something on my leg, I thought it was just the thread. Then I felt something fall onto my bare foot.

    Thankfully, it climbed right down to the tile floor.

    I thanked the scorpion for not stinging me, then I smooshed it!

    Don’t get me wrong, I don’t like to kill anything even when it’s necessary.

    This is our 3rd summer here, and we never saw a scorpion until this summer.

    Next spring we’ll definitely have an exterminator come out.

    The scorpions in Chandler were like the type you describe, they were smaller and whitish and had a really hard exoskeleton, not so easy to smoosh.

    The ones up here (we’re about 8 miles NW of Lake Pleasant and Happy Valley, just to the south of the Lake) are longer and pinkish-orangeish and easier to smoosh.

    And also slower I think.

    I’m glad I had the opportunity to tell that story.

  157. rosettasister Says:


  158. jrinNC Says:

  159. jrinNC Says:

    Copy of Quarantine Order Talked about in Above Video

  160. jrinNC Says:


    A lot of dangerous things are suddenly breaking loose. Canada news showing them shipping in millions of body bags, same in Scotland and the UK, due to anticipated deaths from the “pandemic,” and both there and here, we are into final preps for the initiation of Martial Law which is definitely NOW on the way to enforce this Vaccine program of death. Look, “it’s not the Swine Flu. It’s the VACCINE.”

  161. jrinNC Says:

    Is Health Care Reform Constitutional?

    By INVESTOR’S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:20 PM PT

    Federal Powers: Where in the U.S. Constitution does it say the government can force people to buy health insurance? And by what authority does it prohibit the purchasing of insurance across state lines?

  162. jrinNC Says:

    RHODES v MacDONALD – 18 – Letter regarding from plaintiff regarding withdrawal of motion to stay


    What is Orly doing?????????????????????????

  163. jrinNC Says:

    will bbl – another seminar tonight.

  164. igaveup Says:

    just received another email from my senator (mccain) asking for money for 2010.

    i replied with a message to John (at the contact email) that even though i am unemployed due to the OBama economy that i might consider donating sometime if he returns to being a conservative and he STOPS STANDING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE WITH THE LIBS.

    sent it. it came back as “delivery failure”. i would have to say that this message sums up John’s performance in the past few years.

  165. Tenacity Says:

    I’ll try to join you guys and gals in the chat room. I tend to yawn when listening to either Berg or MammaE, but being in a chat room with the Gang sounds fun.

    I up for praying. Actually, I have announced and invited anyone that will join me to do a fast next Wednesday. You can choose your 24 hour window, but I will be doing Noon Wednesday to Noon Thursday. I will be praying as often during that time as possible.

  166. igaveup Says:


    funny how those things can look like threads. i have cats so maybe that’s why (knock on wood) i haven’t seen any in the current house i live in.

    what part of chandler did you live in?

    two scorpion stories.

    (1) friend in the neighborhood had just taken a shower, wrapped her towel around, and got stung in the butt. ouch.

    (2) when i was still living in my old house (after i had to get an order of protection against my ex husband) and i was taking out his clothes to put into a garbage bag and put them on the sidewalk, i started taking out his socks from the drawer and underneath was a dead bark scorpion. i just decided to leave it there as my parting gift. 😉

  167. Troy Says:

    Orly has really screwed the pooch this time…She will most likely be and probably needs to be disbarred….She has become a real loose cannon…I doubt seriously if she will be able to continue in Judge Carter’s courtroom either…I’m pretty sure she’s toast!!!
    BuckeyeTexan Says:

    September 18, 2009 at 5:15 pm
    Orly may not even get the chance to request discovery. She may be disbarred after the fiasco in Judge Land’s court. The following is a letter from Orly’s client in that case to Judge Land.

    September 18, 2009
    To the Honorable Judge Land:

    Currently, I am shipping out to Iraq for my deployment. I became aware on last night’s local news that a Motion to Stay my deployment had been entered on my behalf. I did not authorize this motion to be filed. I thank you for hearing my case and respect the ruling given on September 16, 2009. It is evident that the original filing for the TRO and such was full of political conjecture which was not my interest. I had no intention of refusing orders nor will I. I simply wanted to verify the lawfulness of my orders. I am honored to serve my country and thank you for doing the same.

    With that said please withdraw the Motion to Stay filed by Ms. Taitz this past Thursday. I did not authorize it and do not wish to proceed. Ms. Taitz never requested my permission nor did I give it. I would not have been aware of this if I did not see it on the late news on Thursday night before going to board my plane to Iraq on Friday, September 18, 2009.

    Furthermore, I do not wish for Ms. Taitz to file any future motions or represent me in any way in this court. It is my plan to file a complaint with the California State Bar due to her reprehensible and unprofessional actions.

    I am faxing this as was advised by Tim, who works in the District Clerk’s office. I will mail the original copy of this letter once I have arrive in Iraq.

    CPT Connie M. Rhodes, MD

    http // ia311028

    Additionally, Judge Land has filed an order dismissing Orly’s appeal of his original dismissal as well as notifying Orly of his intentions of imposing a $10K sanction on her for misconduct.

    http // ia311029

  168. igaveup Says:


    i’ve seen a couple of posts somewhere, that orly may be an obama plant?
    could this be why she appears to be so inept? or is she really inept?

    i would think, that somewhere, some lawyer has contacted her offering to help (in an invisible sort of way, like reading her briefs?) or even a paralegal? (i have training in that) but since her briefs have a habit of being rejected for mistakes, i don’t think she has any help and i wonder if her mistakes are as bad and foundational as they appear, how did she pass the bar?

    with the way politics and the subversive actions of the left, who knows anymore which way is up or down? who do you trust?

  169. Troy Says:

    or is she really inept?
    I think so.

    how did she pass the bar?
    She got her law degre online, form what I hear and who knows how many times she took the bar exam.

  170. ryansgrammy Says:

    Orly really is a mystery. I don’t know a lot about law but it sounds like she really needs a refresher course. Every time we get our hopes up with one of these cases of hers, we have cold water thrown in our faces. 😦

  171. sdee Says:

    SHIELDS UP! – the FCC Net Neutrality speech coming on Monday signalsa full assault on a free Internet. Please help get the warning out on House Bill 3458

    The internet is the only thing that slowed the Leftist takeover – they intend to do here what has been done in the press- HAVE NO DOUBT.

    Like most Lefist plays, it will be a Trojan horse. This one is technically complex so they are hoping we can’t figure it out.

    Things to look out for:

    – Net Neutrality (smiley face they put on this – who could argue with a neutral internet?)

    – HR-3458 (short & sweet House Bill – this is the Trojan Horse)

    – Lawful Content (this is the tool, the poison pill, like “local content” – vague and undefined “they” get to define what is illegal. You wouldn’t be for unlawful content, now would you?)

    – FreePress (It’s not. A front organization with the integrity of ACORN)

    – Google and Edge Caching – (complicated, but it may be the dominant control point Google reaps from getting in bed with Obama – effectively evolves into Google controlling all significant Internet access points)

    If you need any motivation to take this VERY SERIOUSLY check this out on

    “”It’s time to set the record straight. Free Press has pulled together the Coalition, which now represents more than 800 groups, from the Christian Coalition to and the SEIU to the American Library Association. More than 1.5 million activists — from all walks of life and across the political spectrum — have signed our petition in support of Net Neutrality.””

    Smell familiar to you?

  172. igaveup Says:

    From what I understand of the school that offers the online degree (i had checked it out myself after doing the paralegal stuff), California is the only state that you can attend this school, take the BAR in Cali, and if you pass go straight to work.

    In AZ. they don’t except online school and if I had taken this path, I would have had to practice in Calif for three years before I could take the BAR in AZ.

    However, from my experience working the legal field and going through family court, there are quite a few “practicing” lawyers that passed the AZ BAR, and I wondered how the heck they were still practicing.

  173. ryansgrammy Says:

    Troy Says:
    She got her law degre online, form what I hear and who knows how many times she took the bar exam.
    One of our neighbors was over the other night for dinner and we were talking about healthcare. He said he always sees all of these diplomas and credentials plastered on the walls in doctors offices and all he really wants to know as a patient is “what was your GPA.” 😀

  174. igaveup Says:


    they are in full throttle mode for ramming all this socialist/communist agenda down our throats.

    i can’t imagine what the supreme court could have looked like if Bush had not won and Gore had.

  175. sdee Says:

    Another way to think about my wordy post on Net Neutrality is this……

    Are you noticing any major problems with the Internet that warrants intervention by the US Congress and the FCC?

    hmmmm…… me neither

    I guess the only problem is that the Internet is still an open and free exchange of ideas, news, ideas and information.

    guess they gotta create a problem to fix huh?

  176. KoolAid_Free_Lexi Says:

    I know this isn’t the same thing being discussed here , but I guy came into my job wearing bracelets a bracelet very simular to this. Needless to say, my interest was piqued. So I had to ask some questions — which gave me what I needed to make a search and share.

    I don’t think I would have noticed had it not been pink. He’s a regular and a health nut so I thought he might be walking in the breast cancer awareness march coming next month. So I asked, what’s w/ the pink bracelet? Are you going on the CBA march?

    Interesting gang. Check it out.

  177. sdee Says:

    igaveup Says:
    i can’t imagine what the supreme court could have looked like if Bush had not won and Gore had.

    I think they are all on the same sick agenda – just different feeds and speeds.

    If they align with Google and get control of the Internet, game’s over.

    Senator Rockefeller laments the Internet – not hard to figure out why.

  178. ryansgrammy Says:

    sdee — thanks for the info — sent it out to others via email!!!!

  179. igaveup Says:


    your right. one went half speed, the other is going full throttle.

  180. patriotamy Says:

    Troy Says:
    September 18, 2009 at 7:55 pm

    they just keep firing bullets hoping that American citizens will tire or their spirit to fight will be broken.
    The American citizens will start firing back if they aren’t careful…Keep your powder dry.
    Mine is dry 😀

  181. patriotamy Says:

    sdee- It is preventing women from achieving “true equality” in the country.
    You got to be sh**ing me!!

  182. sdee Says:

    patriotamy Says:
    September 19, 2009 at 12:17 am

    sdee- It is preventing women from achieving “true equality” in the country.

    You got to be sh**ing me!!
    welcome to the rabbit hole – they are sounding really desperate

  183. patriotamy Says:

    I know sdee, they are desperate. That’s what is the most frightening to me. Desperate people do some weird stuff, just to make their point.

  184. KoolAid_Free_Lexi Says:

    Tenacity Says:
    September 18, 2009 at 10:44 pm

    Actually, I have announced and invited anyone that will join me to do a fast next Wednesday. You can choose your 24 hour window,

    7pm 23rd – 7pm 24th for me, Ten.

  185. sdee Says:

    This guy Bill Randall is running for US House in a NC district next to me – he is getting my money and support regardless

    What a contrast he is to our cesspool dwelling David Price (who voted to keep ACORN funding btw)

    signs of hope fro 2010!

  186. ryansgrammy Says:

    You notice how MO keeps making that sasquatch noise and then starts sniffling a lot near the end. So she’s out pitching HCR to women’s groups.

  187. sdee Says:

    ryansgrammy Says:
    September 18, 2009 at 11:45 pm

    sdee – sent it out to others via email
    thx grammy!

  188. ryansgrammy Says:

    sdee — I checked the 75 pro acorn votes — 29 of the 39 members of the Cong. Black Caucus voted to protect ACORN, 7 voted against them and 3 didn’t vote — 9 progressives also voted to protect them.

  189. sdee Says:

    rosettasister Says:
    September 18, 2009 at 8:55 pm

    I thanked the scorpion for not stinging me, then I smooshed it!


    I like your style 😀

  190. sdee Says:

    ryansgrammy Says:
    September 19, 2009 at 12:48 am
    I checked the 75 pro acorn votes — 29 of the 39 members of the Cong. Black Caucus voted to protect ACORN, 7 voted against them and 3 didn’t vote — 9 progressives also voted to protect them.
    I hope someone is paying attention back home – they probably love ACORN too tho

    I added this vote to the list. I started keeping it for David Price right after the townhall where he popped up out of the SEIU guy’s underwear.

    Regardless of who runs against him – I intend to work toward his defeat.

  191. Troy Says:

    I have five new feral kittens that I just went out and petted for the second time …They are four weeks old and in two more weeks they are going to a shelter for adoption…I have to spend time with them everyday so they will be used to humans or else they won’t be adoptable….The little boogers don’t like me…They all hiss at me…Momma kitty ain’t liking it much either…I have to wait until she is eating before I can go see the little ones….That’s the kitty report. 😀

  192. Tenacity Says:

    Are you folks in MommaE’s chat room? I see Amy but don’t recognize other nics.

  193. Tenacity Says:

    Larry S is on MommaE’s and says the Rhodes letter is a fraud. Cut and pasted signature

  194. jrinNC Says:

    For all of you out there who will have kids going to college. This is from a newsletter I received from my Senator Richard Burr.

    Also, the House took up legislation this week addressing the Obama Administration’s proposal calling for a complete and immediate federal takeover of student loans by eliminating the successful Federal Family Education Loan Program (FFEL). This means that students and parents will soon only have one option when it comes to getting a loan to go to college: the federal government. The Senate will be asked to take up this legislation in the coming weeks.

    Up to now, students, parents, and schools have benefitted from having a broad choice of lenders for student loans. Competition among private lenders allows for students to seek out and get the best terms and service on their loans. I am opposed to creating a federal monopoly on student loans because it will lead to reduced customer service, more bureaucratic red tape, and no choices as private lenders are squeezed out of the market. It also means American taxpayers will be responsible for putting up $100 billion each year to cover student loans. This takeover will only hurt our students and their families as they pursue a higher education, and I will continue my efforts to prevent such a takeover.

  195. igaveup Says:


    I have rescue animals, cats and dogs. We helped with the feral kitties that my neighbor had. The kitties loved being rubbed at the base of their tail where it meets the back. They wouldn’t let us pick them up or pet them until I rubbed them where my own cats love being rubbed. Then they let us hold them and play.

    That’s my only experience with “breaking in feral kitties”. Whatever it’s worth.

    The also like it if you can make the trilling sounds that their mommy makes to them. 😉

    That’s a very nice thing you are doing.

  196. sdee Says:

    jrinNC Says:
    September 19, 2009 at 1:18 am

    This takeover will only hurt our students and their families as they pursue a higher education, and I will continue my efforts to prevent such a takeover.
    I am glad he is on top of this. I think however he is pulling punches with the “fair market” theme…….

    This is a federal consolidation of a significant banking segment – i.e. more natoinalization of banking.

    More sinister is having the government deciding who gets loans and who does not. How long will it be before they make participation in the National Youth Corps as a factor in getting Federal loans?

  197. igaveup Says:


    “More sinister is having the government deciding who gets loans and who does not. How long will it be before they make participation in the National Youth Corps as a factor in getting Federal loans?”

    agree and then tell you WHAT you have to major it? maybe your major has too many “whites” in it? will they force you to switch? will they have quotas for loans and majors?

  198. igaveup Says:

    in not it, that darn trigger finger

  199. Troy Says:

    igaveup, the momma kitty lets me pet her now..It has taken about a year…Her first litter are adulescents now and will eat from my hand, but no petting yet.

  200. sdee Says:

    igaveup Says:
    and then tell you WHAT you have to major it? maybe your major has too many “whites” in it? will they force you to switch? will they have quotas for loans and majors?

    Why would anyone not see that coming?

    Why aren’t Senators like Burr just coming right out and admitting the INTENT behind this bill?

    Can you imagine having a bunch of SEIU creeps deciding whether or not your kids get a student loan? ARRRGGGHHH

  201. Tenacity Says:

    I take it you have a shortage of mice now.

  202. ryansgrammy Says:

    Troy — you’re a real good guy to take care of the kitties. Do they have groups down there that will spay the momma kitty???? If you don’t fix her, you might have to put a pond on your property and stock it with lots of fish. 😀

  203. sdee Says:

    apparently FOX ran this full page add in WSJ & WPost and the lapdogs are not too happy. 🙂

  204. ryansgrammy Says:

    Ten — I was listening to the first part with Phil B but turned it off and watched Hannity. So was LS saying the Cpt Rhodes’ letter saying she didn’t authorize Orly to file the motion to stay the deployment order was a fraud???? I thought LS filed a letter himself against Orly (or was that a fraud too??). I am confushed (so what’s new). Thanks for any clarification you can provide.

  205. igaveup Says:


    obama 24/7 in control of our life. i never thought that we as a country would ever come this close to disaster.


    that is sweet. have you taken pics and posted them yet?

  206. Troy Says:

    Roflmao!!!…They’re desperate.
    Media Matters: Police Report Filed From ACORN Office
    Apparently Media Matters, a George Soros arm, have a police report filed by a ACORN employee in Pennsylvania after the pimp and the prostitute visited their office in July of this year.

    The employee apparently turned them in to the police. One thing wrong with this picture is the pimp, was named as James O’Keefe. Didn’t James and Hannah go into the ACORN offices with fake names?

    P report here:

    Color me skeptical about this police report…

    BTW, O’Keefe and Giles have more videos per Andrew Breitbart.

    Ahh, these conservatives are using Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals……heh..

  207. Troy Says:

    Never had a mouse problem around here, but I don’t ever see anymore copperheads. 😀

  208. Troy Says:

    ryansgrammy Says:

    September 19, 2009 at 2:11 am
    Troy — you’re a real good guy to take care of the kitties. Do they have groups down there that will spay the momma kitty????
    As soon as the kittens are weened and go to the shelter, momma kitty and the only female from the first litter will go to the vet.

  209. Troy Says:

    have you taken pics and posted them yet?
    when I gather them up to go to the shelter I will take a pic and post it.

  210. ryansgrammy Says:

    This is pretty nice!

  211. jrinNC Says:

    Troy says: Never had a mouse problem around here, but I don’t ever see anymore copperheads.

    Send them to my house Troy, I am loaded with copperheads right now. The one feral I have must not be old enough yet to deal with them. I am getting tired of going out and checking my back yard for them so my dogs don’t get bit and staying out there with them while they do their business.

  212. ryansgrammy Says:

    How do you like them apples!!!

  213. jrinNC Says:

    sdee – guess you saw where David Price voted against taking the ACORN nuts money. Also Butterfield.

  214. jrinNC Says:

    Grammy says: How do you like them apples!!!

    Where is our lurker Jay – he needs to read that.

  215. ryansgrammy Says:

    SEIU head calling us teabagging extremists.

  216. Troy Says:

  217. ryansgrammy Says:

    jr — too bad we don’t have a count on how many buses were turned away from the event. We actually left Union Station at 3:30 pm and people were still arriving by train/metro with signs and headed over to the west lawn even though the official stuff was over.

  218. jrinNC Says:

    I know and you know Grammy that it exceeded anything ever held in DC. I believe that they are really trembling in their boots because if this turns into a revolution – watch out.

  219. ryansgrammy Says:

    Troy — not sure if you posted this earlier

  220. Troy Says:

    I hope someone sends the link to Dr. Kate’s article to O”Rielly and tells him to stick it in his arse.

  221. ryansgrammy Says:

    This is so totally ridiculous — I’m sure the Secret Service and all of the people trying to get around in cars were going nuts.

  222. Troy Says:

    Troy — not sure if you posted this earlier
    mmm hmmm

  223. ryansgrammy Says:

    So Barney Frank has some competition!!!!

  224. sdee Says:

    Same Californa 9th Distirct Court that ruled for daily Isalmic prayer in classrooms, bans Ave Maria at graduation.

  225. ryansgrammy Says:

    This is a very good article on Obama. Nite Rose’s Gang.

  226. sdee Says:

    jrinNC Says:
    September 19, 2009 at 2:59 am

    Grammy says: How do you like them apples!!!

    Where is our lurker Jay – he needs to read that.

    heck with Jay, Bill fair-and-over-balanced O’Reilly needs to have a look

  227. sdee Says:

    Pamela Geller posted a letter from a reader in Poland

    “Did America betray us? Or it was just Obama?”

  228. igaveup Says:

    when did “jay” start joining us? i first noticed a post by him maybe a week ago.

  229. igaveup Says:

    if Rose has obots trolling, she should be proud. she’s on the obama team’s radar. 😉

  230. igaveup Says:

    troy and jr

    since i’m in the SW i know about them rascally rattlesnakes. is a copper head poisonous?

  231. igaveup Says:

    Has anyone heard anything about the “nasal vaccine” for the swine flu? I’m not sure if what i’ve seen has addressed the nasal vaccine.

  232. Fernley Girl Says:

    Kitties will usually accept petting if it comes while they are eating wet cat food…..then they learn to associate petting with the pleasure of eating.

    I am guilty of making comments about Taitz over at CW’s. I reminded them of the story of someone visiting Russia and being told about a black man, a Communist, being prepared to take over the presidency of the US.
    I made the point Taitz is from Russia, always seemed to screw up her cases, thus establishing precedent for other cases to be denied. At the end I pointed out that we don’t really know anything about anyone we only know through the internet, except what they want us to know. (Her bio is up at WND, via an interview with her…how much of that info did WND actually vet?) Needless to say some never bothered to read to the end of my comment, and went off. My only point was, by its very nature, the players in a successful conspiracy will never be known. I was using Taitz as an example because there are some very ardent Taitz supporters at CW’s.

  233. ryansgrammy Says:

    From Big Government, a former leftist turns FBI informant on ACORN after his Katrina experience.

  234. Bones Says:

    Darn, looks like I missed the kitty discussion. 😦

    igaveup, I remember reading about a nasal spray flu vaccine option, but I don’t remember where. And on another post here, someone mentioned Medimmune, the company that has a patent on… as I understood the claim… H1N1 itself… they seem to produce a nasal spray vaccine for regular flu (FluMist), not sure if they are involved in the nasal spray option for H1N1.

    jrinnc, those proposed documents for quarantine from Iowa are pretty frightening. So this is the type of thing that’s “floating” right now and could potentially receive a stamp of approval? I keep not wanting to believe what I am seeing… on so many fronts… by the same token, it’s so hard to know what to believe.

    Orly… gosh… here’s my take on Orly… just what my gut tells me, so have your salt handy. She is so afraid of the possibility of our government turning the country into a police state, and she makes an assumption, whether true or not, that we are already at least part-way down that path. In a police state, the truth doesn’t matter. You do what you have to to survive. You don’t trust the system. You manipulate wherever and whenever you can because you know that’s what it will take. That frame of reference could lead to some serious breaches, such as potentially asking someone to lie under oath. It’s not clear that she did that, but what seems true is that she’s working within the system only to the extent that she must in order to get Obama exposed and taken down, which would be a major step towards dismantling the police-state. Others working with her could see her tactics as unethical, whereas to her, she’s fighting the only possible fight that has a chance of winning wrt preserving her and our freedom. Based on all of the above, my feeling towards Orly is more one of respect than anything. But I’m not convinced of any of this… just aware that my opinion seems to settle here.

    What bugs me more than anything is how much we have to speculate about *everything* that is going on in this country right now. The media isn’t going to tell us. Something’s clearly fishy (and it ain’t us). We have to research everything, and when we do we sense that evidence has been scrubbed and people are lying. The information that we have access to is therefore suspect. Fear-mongering, distractions, even strange deaths abound… this isn’t our country anymore! They’ve made the switch right under our noses.

    I often find comfort and wisdom in the words of Harry Browne. “How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World” is a very good read. Here is a nice summary:

    Pay attention in particular to the section on group traps.

    But most of all, it’s really upsetting to me that I missed the kitty discussion. Maybe next time…

  235. Bones Says:

    By the way, I think we should start a web site called Because it has the word truth in it, and is a .org and not a .com (makes it trustworthy), sheeple will soon realize that everything on it must be true.

  236. ryansgrammy Says:

    Bones — We can have another discussion when Troy posts his pictures of the kitties. So many of us here love the kitties. I thought you were strictly a doggie lady??? 🙂 Thanks for your insight on Orly and the book summary. You’re a real smart cookie (a whiz at calculus if I recall). 😉 Just checked and is already taken — I think I’ll check it out and see if there’s a site there yet.

  237. rosettasister Says:

    Some of us will say a little prayer for j.b. commencing at 8:00 AM Pacific in just a little while.

    Please join in with a healing prayer or poem or share one here.

    I will be lighting a candle as well.

    An image of j.b. might help.


    Goferit Says:
    September 18, 2009 at 5:55 pm

    Awesome, set a time and we’ll start with JB!


    Tomorrow morning, Saturday.

    8:00 – 8:15 AM Pacific

    9:00 – 9:15 AM Mountain

    10:00 – 10:15 AM Central

    11:00 – 11:15 AM Eastern

    All who can join us, please do!

  238. rosettasister Says:

    For Healing

    Lord, You invite all who are burdened to come to You.

    Allow your healing hand to heal me.

    Touch my soul with Your compassion for others.

    Touch my heart with Your courage and infinite love for all.

    Touch my mind with Your wisdom, that my mouth may always proclaim Your praise.

    Teach me to reach out to You in my need, and help me to lead others to You by my example.

    Most loving Heart of Jesus, bring me health in body and spirit that I may serve You with all my strength.

    Touch gently this life which You have created, now and forever.


  239. rosettasister Says:

    I love this one:

  240. rosettasister Says:

    “Bear one another’s burdens, and share each other’s joys, / Love one another, and bring each other home.”

  241. rosettasister Says:

    Thank you, dear people.

    A Prayer for Mr. Obama

    May you turn and face your Creator and more closely align your will with Divine Will.

    Remember you were created to be His companion.

    Thy Will, dear Lord, not mine.

    In Jesus Name.

    So Be It!


    Okay, we can go back to Obama bashing now!

    Seriously, it’s nice to know we have a soft side.

  242. ryansgrammy Says:

    Thank you Rose. Bless everyone at Rose’s and their families and God please bless America and others all around the world who struggle to find the freedom each are blessed with at birth.

  243. Goferit Says:

    That felt good!
    Of course we have a softer side.

    If our hearts where hardened, none of us would be here. We would be off getting ‘what was rightfully ours’, what we deserved.

    Hope JB was feeling it too!

  244. jrinNC Says:

    igaveup Says:
    September 19, 2009 at 4:44 am

    troy and jr

    since i’m in the SW i know about them rascally rattlesnakes. is a copper head poisonous?

    Yes they are poisonous – while they can kill a person if medical attention is NOT sought, you can recover from a bite – VERY PAINFUL. But more than likely adults that die from the bite usually have other health issues. They can kill a small dog or small child within a few hours. We have rattlesnakes here too – and I mean BIG ones. My Uncle just reminded me yesterday to watch for them as this is the time of year when they too are running and he told me they are blind right now and therefore at their most dangerous time. Don’t know if that is true as I have not looked it up. But I can tell you I walk with my eyes glued to the ground, searching and scanning.

  245. ryansgrammy Says:

    rosettasister Says:

    Okay, we can go back to Obama bashing now!

    Seriously, it’s nice to know we have a soft side.
    Rose — my first thought when I saw this remark was “Whack a Mole” at Chucky Cheese. 😀

  246. jrinNC Says:

    Rose I said my prayer for JB between 11:00 and 11:15 and for all those who need a healing touch from the Master’s Hand.

  247. rosettasister Says:

    Very nice, people!

  248. rosettasister Says:

    Ex-CIA chiefs decry Holder interrogation probe in letter to Obama

  249. rosettasister Says:

    Sean, I think, was a bit overwhelmed by these two beauties!

    Good discussion.

    Politics of Fear — Nancy Pelosi gets teary-eyed over health care opposition

  250. Bones Says:

    Thanks, Rose. Blessings, all.

    “Turn your face to the sun, and the shadows fall behind you.”

  251. ryansgrammy Says:

    Maybe someone in the crowd will have the nerve to bring up MO’s patient dumping scheme in Chicago as she now goes around preaching healthcare to women’s groups.

  252. ryansgrammy Says:

    This is about Smart Girl Politics who helped found the tea party movement. They are having a conference in Nashville this weekend and Michelle Malkin is with them.

  253. ryansgrammy Says:

    Story in Washington Post by Krauthammer titled “Does He Lie?”

  254. jrinNC Says:

    ANALYSIS-To bomb, or to bunker? Israel’s Iran choices narrow
    16 Sep 2009 12:55:52 GMT
    Source: Reuters
    “The longer the U.S. delays playing hardball with Iran, the sooner Israel is likely to strike,” wrote Wall Street Journal columnist Bret Stephens.”

  255. ryansgrammy Says:

    Hope this wasn’t posted already. Thought it was interesting that a lefty thinks the Birthers concerns are legit.

  256. Tenacity Says:

    ryansgrammy Says:
    September 19, 2009 at 2:45 am

    This is pretty nice!
    Please read the lyrics and tell me what you get out of it. This is not a message I believe in. I smell a rat. Looks and sounds like a swan, but quacks like a duck.

  257. jrinNC Says:

    “As conservative voters approach the 2010 elections, they might consider heeding the wisdom of this simple slogan: Don’t trust the Party label. In particular, the Republican Party label is being abused as part of a conscious effort to deceive them.”

    From Alan Keyes

  258. sisterrosetta Says:

  259. ryansgrammy Says:

    Please read the lyrics and tell me what you get out of it. This is not a message I believe in. I smell a rat. Looks and sounds like a swan, but quacks like a duck.
    Okay Ten — didn’t check out the background only took it at face value (and its had for me to understand lyrics on most of these youtubes) but it has a sweet sound. It turns out the “O” might be symbolic for Obama. The song was written primarily to thank Americans for their welcoming hospitality on their tour.

  260. jrinNC Says:

    Bones Says:
    September 19, 2009 at 2:07 pm

    Darn, looks like I missed the kitty discussion. 😦

    igaveup, I remember reading about a nasal spray flu vaccine option, but I don’t remember where. And on another post here, someone mentioned Medimmune, the company that has a patent on… as I understood the claim… H1N1 itself… they seem to produce a nasal spray vaccine for regular flu (FluMist), not sure if they are involved in the nasal spray option for H1N1.

    FluMist IS what they will be using – word of warning – if anyone has chronic lung problems; asthma, bronchitis, etc. SHOULD NOT take this nasal mist per the manufacturer.

  261. sdee Says:

    Another Dangerous Distraction – Is the Internet the real endgame?

    More food for thought on Net Neutrality and the Obama Regime….

    > Julius Genachowski is Obama’s pick to head the FCC. They were Harvard Law School classmates. Here is the “diversity” money quote from Genachowski’s Internet plan:

    “”Barack Obama believes that the nation’s rules ensuring diversity of media ownership are critical to the public interest,””

    > Enter stage right, Mark Lloyd. Remember this guy? He’s the FCC “Diversity Czar” in the news pushing diversity and localization to control talk radio. Well that looks like a smokescreen for what they are really up to – diversity policies to control Internet content and access.

    “”FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski said the commission’s top diversity executive (Mark Lloyd) would be concentrating on broadband and would not be dealing with FCC broadcast license issues.””

    You can read the rest of the doublespeak here:

  262. ryansgrammy Says:

    jr — that’s a great article from Alan Keyes.

  263. jrinNC Says:


  264. jrinNC Says:

    World to America: We Want Our Gold Back

    “The world is preparing to abandon the U.S. dollar and the UK pound. Pronouncements from Hong Kong, the United Arab Emirates, Switzerland and Germany have made clear that the Anglo-Saxon financial system’s doom is only a matter of time.”

  265. jrinNC Says:

    ryansgrammy Says:
    September 19, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    jr — that’s a great article from Alan Keyes.
    Grammy I really like Alan

  266. jrinNC Says:

    “James Madison said that “The rights of persons, and the rights of property, are the objects, for the protection of which Government was instituted.”
    Madison did not say that Government was instituted to provide services for the people, only that it was instituted to protect our rights.”

    From A Reminder from a Free People

  267. rosettasister Says:

    New Thread:

  268. KoolAid_Free_Lexi Says:

    igaveup Says:
    September 19, 2009 at 5:43 am

    Has anyone heard anything about the “nasal vaccine” for the swine flu? I’m not sure if what i’ve seen has addressed the nasal vaccine.

    Troy posted a vid that included info mentioning the OTC flu-mist, if that’s what you mean?

    The vid talked about the mist containing live virus, having been patented and how the dr in the intereview search for the patent and found H1N1 DNA stings among patents. Not real recent. Some yrs back.

  269. j.b. Says:

    KoolAid_Free_Lexi Says:

    September 20, 2009 at 1:00 pm
    j.b. Says:
    September 20, 2009 at 5:19 am

    fwiw, my comment was not directed at any troll. I typically do not feed them. I am not above eating one, though! Yummy.

    *chronic hunger sucks*

    Hey JB!

    Glad you popped in.

    If you need any smoothie recipes, I’m at your service. Low fat or high calorie.

    You probably need to pack as many calories in small servings as possible. Might want to get the nurse to blend something up w/ peanut butter, banana, protein and yogurt. Use crushed ice. It’s a lot easier on your blender, takes less thinning, so you get a thicker smoothie. Should be able to add a multivitamin in there too w/o making it taste medicine-ie.

    You can also get natural peanut butter that contains the peanut oil instead of other additives. That’s a healthier fat.

    Thanks for the tips and offer of recipes. I do ascribe to most of them. BTW, my “male nurse” is my hubby. 🙂 He just cancelled his business trip for this week, it will be interesting to see if he cancels next weeks as well…….As Every pill must be crushed, watered down then put into a syringe, as well as liquid pain killer and soup. I am able to use a straw now. Yippe
    I get escorted everywhere…….when I protest, I quickly get reminded of what that was like to see me lying there, face down. Non responsive.
    So, this is my challenge. I have accepted it. But it ain’t easy.
    .We had such great conversations in the car on the way home, made big plans, met some very dyamic people (especially at the rest stops.Kept meeting up with the same people which of course I took as a sign and got phone numbers and e-mails, etc We had mini tea parties in the parking lots! very cool) and if Saving America while repairing my broken jaw is part of that plan, so be it.

  270. j.b. Says:

    that was weird, I did not mean to post that! Geuss i was finished, afterall it took me forever!

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