Baucus circulates health insurance plan

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http://www.thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/57483-baucus-circulates-health-insurance-plan

Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.) has circulated his own health reform plan, apparently tired of waiting for the rest of the “Group of Six” to come around.

Baucus’s plan would cost between $850 billion and $950 billion over ten years, and would help pay for itself by imposing a new fee on insurance companies, the NY Times reports.

The plan does not include a public option, or even a “trigger” to implement a public option under certain conditions.

While that omission is likely to anger liberals, the new health insurance company tax is likely to alienate Republicans. For example, take a look at this explanation from the Times:

Mr. Baucus’s plan, expected to cost $850 billion to $900 billion over 10 years, would tax insurance companies on their most expensive health care policies. The hope is that employers would buy cheaper, less generous coverage for employees, thereby reducing the overuse of medical services. [emphasis added]

Conservatives are already claiming that Democratic reform would lead to healthcare rationing. A tax like that is unlikely to assuage those concerns.

The missing public plan is interesting. Key Democrats, including Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.), have expressed support for a trigger, and the White House was reportedly using the “trigger” to entice at least one moderate Republican–Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-Maine)

More from the Times on Baucus’s plan:

Another section of Mr. Baucus’s proposal would help pay insurance premiums, co-payments and deductibles for people with incomes less than 300 percent of the poverty level ($66,150 for a family of four). It would also provide some protection for people with incomes from 300 percent to 400 percent of the poverty level (up to $88,200 for a family of four), so they would generally not have to pay more than 13 percent of their income in premiums.

And:

Coverage under Mr. Baucus’s plan would, by some measures, be less extensive than the least generous of three levels envisioned in a bill approved by three House committees.

To compare health plans, experts often focus on the percentage of medical expenses paid by insurance, on average, for a given population. This figure ranges from 70 percent to 95 percent under the House bill’s options, but it would be less than 70 percent under Mr. Baucus’s proposal.

See also:

The Weekly Standard’s Stephen Hayes said Obama will probably opt for a trigger.

http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=news-000003197401

WALLACE: I mean, that clearly is the kind of linch point here, Steve, that — where does he come down on the public option, the idea of a government-run insurance plan to compete with private insurers.

As a practical matter, it would seem, especially in the Senate, that he has to throw it off and go with either co-ops or a trigger, but we are hearing that this weekend he got fierce pushback from the left.

HAYES: Yeah, that’s to be expected, though. And I think he’s not going to — it is inconceivable to me that the left will actually fight him on this if he decides to go the route of a trigger option, I mean, which is exactly what I think he’s going to do.

I think he’ll propose some kind of a trigger. He will hold up Olympia Snowe as the Republican idea behind this trigger so that he can call it bipartisan, however implausible that might be.

And if he were really smart, I think he would embrace some limited tort reform. Then he can say, “Look, I’ve been listening to Republicans. This is too important not to include, not to have a broad health care reform bill, and we’re going to make this compromise.”

400 Responses to “Baucus circulates health insurance plan”

  1. sdee Says:

  2. rosettasister Says:

    H/T James Pethokoukis

    The Jobless Recovery

    Obama’s war against small business and paper money.

    http://kudlowsmoneypolitics.blogspot.com/2009/09/jobless-recovery.html

    Of course, if Mr. Obama pulls the plug on his new government-insurance plan (public “option”), and all the spending, taxing, borrowing, and regulating that goes along with it, the stock market will rally at least 500 points — at least.

    Investors understand that an Obama retreat on government-run health care will lead to stronger economic growth for America’s vibrant health-care industry — and small businesses in general.

  3. rosettasister Says:

    Obama losing ground again. 48 – 51 (I’ll be really curious to see these numbers in the days after he puts forth his own plan for healthcare reform.)

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history

    1Date
    2Presidential Approval Index
    3Strongly Approve
    4Strongly Disapprove
    5Total Approve
    6Total Disapprove

    1 09/07/2009
    2 -13
    3 28%
    4 41%
    5 48%
    6 51%

  4. jrinNC Says:

    sdee – great Webb video – isn’t it amazing this was being said, what back in the late 50’s early 60’s.

  5. sdee Says:

    The Sudanese Journalist who faced flogging and publicized her trial for wearing pants, was still found guilty.

    Although not flogged, she faced jail time or fine. She chose jail!

    Another story of courage in the face of Islam.

    The horrors of Islams crimes against women are unspeakable. I believe Islam marginalizes, savages and controls women because they know Islam cannot stand where women are free.

    This is why Rifqa’s battle is is so crucial in Islam’s war against America.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article6825035.ece

  6. Tenacity Says:

    Did I mention that I absolutely love Rose’s Gang. I hated leaving the last thread because some won’t bother going back and reading it. The tail end of that thread was spectacular thanks to sdee, j.b., CJ, Ryansgrammy & Fernley Girl. Good stuff all around. Then I get over here and find the Dragnet boys lecturing S/Ob…what a hoot! Thanks Gang!

  7. rosettasister Says:

    Will Obama kill all the Bush tax cuts?

    http://blogs.reuters.com/james-pethokoukis/2009/09/07/will-obama-kill-all-the-bush-tax-cuts/

    As president, Obama has called for maintaining some of those policies –he would extend some of the Bush tax cuts beyond their 2010 expiration date, for example.

    But in light of the new deficit figures, Orszag hinted that Obama may revisit some of those decisions when he submits his next budget in February.

    “Whatever their cause, the administration is very concerned about those outyear deficit figures,” Orszag said, “and getting those deficits under control is a top priority of this administration.”

    (Don’t believe a word that comes out of Orszag’s mouth! If Obama does kill all of the Bush tax cuts, won’t we end up with a net reduction in revenues?)

  8. sdee Says:

    jrinNC Says:

    sdee – great Webb video – isn’t it amazing this was being said, what back in the late 50’s early 60’s.
    *******************
    I had the same thought JR !

    I wrote a few days ago that I believe the same forces at play today were Organizing the peace and environmental movements of the 60’s in the Alinsky model.

    In the original Jack Web was trying to straighten out a misguded hippie.

    here is the orginal show

  9. rosettasister Says:

    http://blogs.reuters.com/james-pethokoukis/2009/09/07/mccain-and-stimulus-a-counterfactual/

    Had John McCain won the presidential election of 2008, at the start of 2009 he would have in all likelihood proposed a trillion dollar fiscal stimulus bill–3/4 tax cuts and 1/4 aid to states–and he might have picked Tim Geithner for his Treasury Secretary.

    Democrats would have called for fewer tax cuts, more state aid, and some government infrastructure spending initiatives in the fiscal policy mix, but the need for the government to cushion the recession would have brought them into line.

    When Obama took office he bid $800 billion for his fiscal stimulus bill–about 1/3 spending, about 1/3 aid to states, about 1/3 tax cuts–thinking that would be a plan that would win broad bipartisan assent.

    And he was wrong.

    Pethokoukis: I agree that he would have “spent money” by cutting taxes more.

    But there is every reason to believe that large payroll tax cuts may have better met the “targeted, timely and temporary” formula.

    And been more effective. Thus they could have been smaller.

    And then Congress could have passed a separate infrastructure bill for repair of both our transportation system and upgrading the grid.

    (Then why doesn’t Congress recall the stimulus since it’s so ineffective?)

  10. sdee Says:

    rosettasister Says:

    Will Obama kill all the Bush tax cuts?
    *********************************

    I am torn on this one Rose.

    On one hand I have no doubt that rescinding the Bush tax cuts will further retract the economy and grow the deficit as tax revenue drops.

    On the other hand raising everyone’s taxes has the benefit of bringing millions of more koolaid drinkers to the streets. Part of me just wants to go ahead and bring this all to a boil as soon as possible and get it over with.

  11. rosettasister Says:

    “On the other hand raising everyone’s taxes has the benefit of bringing millions of more koolaid drinkers to the streets.”

    LOL! True that.

  12. jrinNC Says:

    COUSI is live on Fox up in Ohio – boy is this sickening. I really think he needs to go into show business as he loves to act.

  13. rosettasister Says:

    http://blogs.reuters.com/james-pethokoukis/2009/09/07/the-way-forward-on-climate-change/

    Instead of CO2 cuts, why not focus on adaptation? Why cut GDP growth over the century by 12-13% when the costs of adaptation will be much lower

    (”the majority of economic models show that unconstrained global warming would cost rich nations around 2% of GDP and poor countries around 5% by 2100.”).

    And Lomborg argues that putting serious technology efforts online as part of this adaptation effort can actually make it a winning proposition.

    Meanwhile, “a high carbon tax will simply hurt growth if alternative technology is not ready, making us all worse off.”

    In short, spend (on technology) to save, not cut (emissions).

    (Hugh Hewitt thinks highly of Mr. Barnett.)

    http://thomaspmbarnett.com/weblog/2009/09/the_latest_from_lomborg_on_glo.html

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203706604574376442559564788.html

  14. rosettasister Says:

    http://twitter.com/jimpethokoukis

    Van Jones didnt do himself any favors with weasely “if I offended anyone” apology …ugh … apologize for the act, not for offending

  15. rosettasister Says:

    Interesting healthcare discussion near beginning of this podcast.

    Fred Barnes, Morton Kondracke, Brian Wesbury With Hugh Hewitt

    [audio src="http://ht.salemweb.net/townhall/audio/mp3/531df118-a0f0-44c2-bf2e-3c4653c71077.mp3" /]

  16. jrinNC Says:

    The Glenn Beck Petition at http://www.americasright.com/

    Very moving ltr from Jeff – Wants everyone to sign petition – already over 550 signatures.

    Of course WND is taking credit for Jones stepping down.

    WND brings down the ‘red czar’
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=109042

  17. jrinNC Says:

    duh Rose – I keep forgetting I can’t post two URL’s = Please post comment in moderation

  18. ryansgrammy Says:

    sdee–great video! Beam me back to the 50’s Scotty!

  19. rosettasister Says:

    Some interesting comments here:

    http://keithhennessey.com/2009/09/04/incorrect-cw/

    From Max:

    The media and even the blogosphere has mostly missed the underlying cause of the town hall rage: it’s a reaction the spooky, mystical appearance on the world stage of one Barach Obama. Not since Kennedy have we seen a media so in bed with a candidate/elected politician. It creeped us out. The face of the man was everywhere. Here he stood, saying nothing at all, getting praised as if he were the orator of the ages. His past was a murky fog, remnants of which he would toss under the bus whenever they emerged.

    Looking back, it is shocking how this novice was able to upend a war hero, even in the area of foreign affairs. The media was certainly complicit, but there was something more, call it zeitgeist, call it charisma, call it antichrist, whatever it was deeply disturbed a big hunk of America and now they’ve found their voice and brought this hollow wizard from behind his magic wall.

  20. rosettasister Says:

    Interesting vid comparing and contrasting healthcare around the world:

    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/video/share.html?s=news01p9df

    (Obviously T.R. Reid has biases just like the rest of us have our own.)

  21. rosettasister Says:

    Obama Readies Reform Specifics

    In Health-Care Address, President Is Expected to Take Firmer Positions

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/06/AR2009090602336.html

    Nelson and Sen. Amy Klobuchar (Minn.), Democrats who occupy opposite ends of the ideological spectrum, gave tentative support to a backup concept initially raised by Sen. Olympia J. Snowe (R-Maine). Under the idea, a government-run program would be implemented only if private insurers could not deliver affordable insurance plans to most consumers within three to five years.

    A similar fallback “trigger” was included in the Republican-sponsored Medicare prescription drug law, known as Part D. So far, the government drug coverage has not been needed.

    “If somehow the private market doesn’t respond the way that it’s supposed to, then it would trigger a public option or a government-run option, but only as a fail-safe backstop to the process,” Nelson said Sunday on CNN’s “State of the Union” program. “And when I say trigger, you know, out here in Nebraska, in the Midwest, I don’t mean a hair trigger.”

    Klobuchar said she was in wait-and-see mode, unwilling to accept or oppose the trigger idea until she could review the specifics of the plan.

    Sources close to the Finance Committee negotiations indicated last week that the bipartisan negotiators known as the “Gang of Six” were leaning toward a third alternative: forming nonprofit, member-run health cooperatives. Baucus aides did not respond to calls Sunday about his preference.

    The group, which may lose Sens. Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa) and Mike Enzi (R-Wyo.), is also uncertain about how large a Medicaid expansion it could support and whether to tax insurance companies on pricier policies.

    Several prominent Republicans counseled against comprehensive reform, suggesting that more modest changes to insurance regulation would have a better chance of being enacted.

    Sen. Lamar Alexander (Tenn.), the third-ranking Republican in the Senate, suggested that Obama use Wednesday’s address to scale back his ambitions.

    “I think he should say, ‘My fellow Americans, let’s start over and let’s focus on cost — cost to you when you buy your health insurance, cost to the American people for their government, and let’s do it step by step,’ ” Alexander said on “Fox News Sunday.” “Let’s don’t try to change the whole system at once.”

  22. rosettasister Says:

    Lamar Alexander and Howard Dean Raise Points For and Against President Obama Health Care Reform.

  23. KoolAid_Free_Lexi Says:

    sdee Says:
    September 7, 2009 at 4:52 pm

    ******

    I really enjoyed that vid, sdee.

    If only they would all listen so intently as the video editor made it appear.

  24. rosettasister Says:

    bbl

    122. “SINCE I FELL FOR YOU”- LENNY WELCH

  25. KoolAid_Free_Lexi Says:

    Of course WND is taking credit for Jones stepping down.

    WND brings down the ‘red czar’
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=109042

    ***********

    ROFLOL!

    They really think they have that kind of clout and credibility? LOL!! That attitude just digs them deeper into the pit of laughable!

    Granted, they’ve done some good. I’ll give ’em that. But haughtiness isn’t going to help the cause or their failing reputation.

    Sorry for being so snide towards them. But …DANG!!!

  26. KoolAid_Free_Lexi Says:

    Ooh yeah …. BTW, I have today OFF!!

    Woo hoo!

    *happy chair dancin*

  27. jrinNC Says:

    Rose that was a very good video with Reid – One thing that peaked my interest was the Commonality Factor – Cost, Coverage, Quality

    He says we are the only country to put the cost factor first. All others put the coverage factor first. Also, he says that every country rations health care, but we do it differently??????? I definitely don’t agree with him in that respect as he states we have more people to die because they do not have access to health care. I will say this again – many do not seek medical attention on a regular basis (wellness checks), they do seek medical attention, but usually it is done when something is drastically wrong. BUT they are NOT DENIED that care.

    If anything needs to be changed in the American health care industry – it is to address the needs ONLY of those who can prove beyond a shadow of doubt that they CANNOT afford health ins. For all those out there who can pay for it, but choose not to – then I say TT, but don’t take advantage of those who use their hard earned money and sacrifice pleasures while they continue to spend their money on wants instead of needs.

    He also talks about the regulation of the payment system. That is another area that needs to be addressed with the health care community. He says that 20% of medical costs is for administrative paperwork, while some other countries who are regulated only charge 4%. I will also say this again – GREED GREED GREED. Until America can stop this vice there will never be any true reform of the health care program by the private sector. If this is not accomplished this will ultimately result in a public option.

  28. ryansgrammy Says:

    Rose — love the song (never knew the name of the artist though) — thks!

    Here’s a song that I’ve been listening to (makes me too melancholy so I need to replace it and get back to the present)! I love the song though (and the beautiful scenes in the video).

  29. jrinNC Says:

    Lexi says: That attitude just digs them deeper into the pit of laughable!

    Yeah Lexi – I have been noticing that WND thinks they are the purveyor of all the deception being done. They have gone down a notch or two in my book these last few months.

    BTW – glad you have today off.

  30. Katie Says:

    THIS IS EXACTLY WHY FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MUST BE KEPT OUT OF HEALTHCARE! For what will follow next is food, clothing and shelter are all a “human right”, so hey – here’s an idea! Let’s have the government provide ALL that for EVERYONE.

    CAN YOU SAY COMMUNISM?????

    “Healthcare Is a Human Right Campaign

    The Healthcare Is a Human Right Campaign, a project of the Vermont Workers’ Center (VWC), aims to change what is “politically possible” in the healthcare debate through grassroots organizing and a strategic reframing of healthcare as a basic human right and the healthcare crisis as a human rights emergency.

    Our Goals

    Our long-term goal is a universal system in which health care is recognized as a public good and provided collectively, rather than as a commodity sold in a marketplace, and where the human right to health of all residents of the state is fully recognized, regardless of race, gender or gender identity, ability, sexual orientation, nationality or immigration status. Financing must be based on principles of universality, equity, and social solidarity, such as a single-payer system. The only legislation that has been introduced into the Vermont State Legislature for the 2009-2010 session that meets these standards are H.100 and S.88.

    What It Will Take

    This will not be an easy struggle. In order to win such fundamental reform, we need a strong, statewide grassroots network that will be able to put enough pressure on the legislature and governor to force them to stand up to the insurance industry, those employers who will oppose such a system on ideological grounds, and other powerful interests vested in the status quo. This effort requires:

    More here:

    http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2009/09/07/burlington-vt-labor-day-celebration-september-7-2009-citizen-wells-live-coverage-senator-bernie-sanders-vermont-health-care-a-human-right-vermont-workers-center/

  31. KoolAid_Free_Lexi Says:

    jr

    And your children still small?

    Here’s a very cute movie you can watch with them.

    It’s free but this site takes a little while to load. Close the ad and click play. It’ll buffer for a while. Then pause and let it be loading for a while before you try to play it so it doesn’t continue to buffer over and over.

    I don’t have cable or even a working DTV system ATT, so I watch things w/ my grands on my laptop.

    we do have a working dvd, but they totaled the vcr and you just can’t replace a vcr that’s compatable w/ my old tv. Gotta rf converter, but ….. other issues I won’t go into.

    The Tale of Despereaux (2009)

    http://milledrive.com/videos/1314/The_Tale_of_Despereaux_2009__DVDRip_XviD-DoNE.html

    I’m the cheapest woman on earth, so if you want tips on stretching your $’s, lemme know :c)

  32. KoolAid_Free_Lexi Says:

    “I’m the cheapest woman on earth, ”

    That didn’t come out the way I meant it …. but I think y’all get what I really meant *grin*

  33. ryansgrammy Says:

    So Van Jones didn’t fill out the Obama hiring questionnaire. Did any of the czars????????

    http://www.breitbart.tv/white-house-van-jones-did-not-fill-out-63-question-seven-page-questionnaire/

  34. jrinNC Says:

    “When I was young, my family lived in Indonesia for a few years, and my mother didn’t have the money to send me where all the American kids went to school. So she decided to teach me extra lessons herself, Monday through Friday – at 4:30 in the morning.”

    This is from bo’s speech to the kids. – Duh am I missing something here. Thought he was enrolled in school there under the name of the infamous Barry Soetero – What a liar

    Here is speech:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/07/raw-data-obama-speech-american-school-children/

  35. jrinNC Says:

    Lexi – no small children – my youngest is almost 33 🙂

    And I also have no grandchildren of which at this point in time I am grateful. Guess the Lord knew what he was doing for my children in that respect.

    But I have lots of cousins who have small grand children and we are trying to protect them the best way we can. So I will pass this info along. Thanks

  36. jrinNC Says:

    YAWN – Such a very long speech – I can see them all now squirming in their seats wondering when he is going to shut up. 🙂

  37. KoolAid_Free_Lexi Says:

    Well ooh, then do you remember who it is among the gang that got laid off and hasn’t found a employment yet? I thought that was you. Sorry.

  38. KoolAid_Free_Lexi Says:

    jrinNC Says:
    September 7, 2009 at 7:53 pm

    YAWN – Such a very long speech – I can see them all now squirming in their seats wondering when he is going to shut up. 🙂

    *******

    I can’t bear to listen to him. I can hardly look at him. I can’t remember ever reacting that way to any other “political” figure, ever.

    My son who is 28 was pro-obama changed his mind completely about BO after listening to him. It was amazing. He said that it was as if BO were saying there were no solutions to our country’s problems w/o accepting him. And that turned him right off!

    I believe it was God’s spirit of decernment that opened my boys eyes.

  39. jrinNC Says:

    Lexi says – hasn’t found a employment yet? I thought that was you.

    Nope not me Lexi, I am retired.

    Remember the discussion, but right now the “Oldtimers” must have my thoughts. If you can remember where we were talking about the NG jobs you will find out.

  40. rosettasister Says:

    I heard this guy on Coast to Coast in the middle of the night. He has a biblical perspective, so I thought his book may appeal to some of you.

    My ears perked up when he mentioned a relationship between UFOs and Latitude 33 degrees north of the equator. That’s where I live.

    Beyond Science Fiction! by Jim Wilhelmsen

    Mysteries of the ages and mythical Bible stories come alive and are explained as elements of one story about Paradise lost and found. Find out about Aliens and UFOs, cloning,time travel, a hollow earth, Nazi occult dicoveries,The New Age, operation paperclip, Highjump, Roswell , secret societies and the NWO. They are all elements to this one story, they are linked together and are Beyond Science Fiction!

    These are my coordinates:

    Feature Detail Report for: White Peak

    Sequence Latitude(DEC) Longitude(DEC) Latitude(DMS) Longitude(DMS)
    Map Name

    1 33.7722575 -112.3523863 334620N 1122109W Baldy Mountain

  41. rosettasister Says:

    More Like This:

    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=videos&search_query=alternaterealities7+beyond+science+fiction&search_sort=video_date_uploaded_reverse&search_filter=0

  42. jrinNC Says:

    Poster states: “About a month ago, we were on our way back from a trip to Jacksonville, NC, we live about 45 minutes away. I noticed this billboard and made my husband turn around so I could see what it said. Needless to say this distressed me greatly. This is like advertising for a pandemic. Well, looks like they are. Letting us know just what to expect. The sign has the H5N1, with a dead bird superimposed behind the words. The local hurricane evacuation signs from our area, which I understand for this time of year and a Biohazard symbol which I simply do not get!

    Prepare with colloidal silver and a multi vitamin everyday along with additional vitamin C and D as well as a B complex. You can build up your immune system yourself. Refuse the vaccine, it is poison!

    The powers that be certainly do not seem to be keeping anything a secret any more. Let me know what you think. Keep your eyes and ears open, whats happing in your neck of the woods?”

    *******************************************************
    Sign says Jones County – that is right next to me – guess I will be heading to Jacksonville to see if I can spot this sign in Jones County. Has to be on Hwy 17 S.

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  44. ryansgrammy Says:

    Lexi — I think igaveup is looking for employment.

    Katie — did you get my email on 9/1?????

  45. ryansgrammy Says:

    Rose — Don’t follow the ufo stuff too much (it gives me goose bumps and freaks me out). 😀 My dad firmly believed that we are not alone in this universe and used to talk about it a lot. He loved “The Day the Earth Stood Still.” My hubby and I watch programs on history/discovery etc. that really make you wonder things like how was the pyramid built, etc. I remember as a kid watching The Twilight Zone (a must in our house). A lot of times I had a blanket or sheet over my head so I could peek out from time to time.

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  47. Tenacity Says:

    Katie,
    I could use some help. I need to do a 10 minute video speech and post it to YouTube. This is a requirement for speaking next Saturday. I like the way you think. I could use some of your creative juice. 10 minutes is not much time and I need to be concise. I need to do a PSA on the Continental Congress, but want to inspire the people about Honest/Sound money legislation, State Sovereignty and Paper Ballots. Trying to pick my priorities and stay on message. What say ye? What would you say if you were on the podium? I need at least a half hour. If they pick me and neither of the national speakers invited show, they might give me 15 minutes. I have to ask and demonstrate a clear concise message.

    Also, I think its time to toss my hat in the ring for CC2009. Are you still up for pulling the trigger?

  48. Katie Says:

    ryansgrammy Says:
    September 7, 2009 at 8:45 pm

    Katie — did you get my email on 9/1?????

    Grammy – I did and replied. It sounds like you didn’t receive it, so I just resent it again.

  49. Katie Says:

    Tenacity Says:
    September 7, 2009 at 9:31 pm

    Katie,
    I could use some help.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Tenacity – can you call me tomorrow? I’m more than willing to help you, and if you’re tossing your hat, I’m ready to shout it out loud!

    Some day the history books are going to include the names of the “Saving Fathers” and I anticipate seeing yours among them.

  50. Tenacity Says:

    Katie,
    I am blessed to be amongst some awesome people and you are one of them. Thank you!

  51. cynkading Says:

    Hey all,
    Hope you have had a good holiday. There has been some really good postings and reading here over the weekend. Rose, I thought of you when I found this story. 🙂
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1211715/UFO-filmed-40-minutes-Chinese-scientists-prepare-study-footage-year-hopes-proving-alone.html

  52. Katie Says:

    cynkading – The same to you! I have found that several glasses of wine make a relaxing day nearly perfect 🙂

  53. Katie Says:

    Tenacity Says:
    September 8, 2009 at 12:41 am

    Katie,
    I am blessed to be amongst some awesome people and you are one of them. Thank you!
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Aw shucks. You make me blush.

    In response, I have just one word.

    DITTO!

  54. sdee Says:

    From Gunslinger’ site: A letter to Mexico:

    Dear Sr. President, Senate and House of Representatives:

    I’m planning to move my family and extended family (18-20 mouths) into Mexico for my health, and I would like to ask you to assist me.

    We’re planning to simply walk across the border from the U.S. into Mexico , and we’ll need your help to make a few arrangements.

    We plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas, passports, immigration quotas and laws. I’m sure they handle those things the same way you do here

    So, would you mind telling your buddy, President Calderon, that I’m on my way over? Please le t him know that I will be expecting the following:

    1. Free medical care for my entire family.

    2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services I might need, whether I use them or not.

    3. All Mexico government forms need to also be printed in English.

    4. I want my kids to be taught Spanish by English-speaking (bi-lingual) teachers.

    5. Schools need to include classes on American culture and history.

    6. I want my kids to see the American flag on one of the flag poles at their school.

    7. Please plan to feed my kids at school for both breakfast and lunch.

    8. I will need a local Mexican driver’s license so I can get easy access to government services.

    9. I do plan to get a car and drive in Mexico , but, I don’t plan to purchase car insurance, and I probably won’t make any special effort to learn local traffic laws.

    10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does not get the memo from their president to leave me alone, please be sure that every patrol car has at least one English-speaking officer.

    11. I plan to fly the U.S. flag from my house top, put U S. flag decals on my car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th. I do not want any complaints or negative comments from the locals.

    12. I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes, or have any labor or tax laws enforced on any business I may start.

    13. Please have the president tell all the Mexican people to be extremely nice and never say a critical things about me or my family, or about the strain we might place on their economy.

    I know this is an easy request because you already do all these things for all his people who come to the U.S. from Mexico . I am sure that President Calderon won’t mind returning the favor if you ask him nicely.

    Thank you so much for your kind help.

  55. cynkading Says:

    http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2009/09/valerie-jarretts-daddy-dearest.html

  56. cynkading Says:

    Katie Says:

    September 8, 2009 at 1:05 am
    cynkading – The same to you! I have found that several glasses of wine make a relaxing day nearly perfect
    *************************
    LOL Katie! What is your preference? Red Or White?

  57. sdee Says:

    Katie Says: I have found that several glasses of wine make a relaxing day nearly perfect
    ******************

    IMHO my choice for the official beverage of Rosettasister’s

    http://www.bountyhunterwine.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=1SFRONVWH3

  58. ryansgrammy Says:

    Here’s more crazy stuff on LC about Valerie’s dad — gee you can sure see the family resemblance.

    http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2009/09/committee-for-science-cooperation.html

  59. sdee Says:

    ryansgrammy Says:
    September 8, 2009 at 2:21 am

    Here’s more crazy stuff on LC about Valerie’s dad — gee you can sure see the family resemblance.
    **************************

    Crazy enough to be true. This cabal did not simply organize between November 4 and Jan 20. It was already in place, highly tuned – they just had to move offices.

  60. Katie Says:

    cynkading – White is my preference. Oops! Does that make me a racist?

    I know red is supposed to be healthier, but that’s what chocolate is for!!! 😀

    sdee – sounds like your official beverage would knock the socks off me. Does it go with chocolate and cheese?? Or bacon? Cuz those are three of the main food groups as far as I’m concerned 🙂

  61. j.b. Says:

    http://www.resistnet.com/group/wethepeoplemarchonwashington/forum/topics/charter-buses-the-national

    I am getting excited for the Tea Party tomorrow in Brighton, MI. Did you guys hear how many people showed up in Joliet, Ill? Ten Thousand People! Yeppers! Barry’s home state. 🙂 lol. I just heard that Joe The Plumber will be there tomorrow. He was at the last one I went to. I like Joe. I like how Joe stood right up to Barry-did not back down-yeah, Joe’s alright in my book.

    I posted the link above for anyone who wants to check out the chartered busses to DC! OMGosh! PA has 25 listed but I read on another site, that they actually have FORTY BUSSES GOING! I think this is going to be amazing for our REPUBLIC.

    We are still trying to work out the details for our trip-after tomorrow, I will know for sure.

    So, I need some suggestons for a sign….Here’s one I have in mind;
    BUCK FARACK
    And BUCK BARRY, too!
    (then on the back; WH0 K!LLED D0NALD Y0UNG?)

    Or; END THE FED.
    See? I need help!

    Any suggestions?

    Here’s the link to check out the pics from the Tea Party Express. It is a blog and so many of the comments are positive and inspiring. Check out this blog! (next post)

  62. j.b. Says:

    http://teapartyexpress.wordpress.com/

    Rose, I heard that show last night, too, while baking a cake for my birthday boy!

    Has anyone seen any coverage of the Tea Party Express this weekend on FOX? I have not watched much t.v but I did notice re-runs galore and did not notice any live updates, like on the Joliet, Ill. gathering. That was HUGE! Too bad if it didn’t get any attention……

    *i wonder if my husband will walk next to me with his; Don’t Tread On Me flag, while i carry this sign?*

    BUCK FARACK
    And BUCK BARRY, TOO!

    ….it’s growing on me………SOMEBODY! Talk me down!

  63. j.b. Says:

    I doe wanna be Obama’s Elf…

  64. j.b. Says:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=ajhlO0WbHd3o

    Did you guys see this?

  65. j.b. Says:


    A touching tribute to Veterans along the way of The Tea Party Express. The citizens AND the Veterans get choked up.

  66. j.b. Says:

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/09/01/kevin-mccullough-obama-implode/?storytab=story-detail#/opinion/columnists/kevin+-mccullough/ci.Why+the+Obama+Administration+Will+Implode+In+Weeks.opinionPrint

    Why the Obama Administration Will Implode In Weeks
    by Kevin McCullough

    I was the first pundit to predict that Barack Obama would become president. Here’s what I think we can expect from this administration in the next six to eight weeks.

    Never has an administration had more political firepower at their disposal yet been set to so totally fail in the next six to eight weeks. It is nearly a foregone conclusion. It is nearly unavoidable. And it defies all logic given the sizable majority the administration has in both houses of Congress.

    Since I was the first pundit to predict Obama’s presidency (back in December 2006) it behooves me to tell you the course I believe the next few weeks will take. Just think, it was only a few months ago that the left looked unstoppable in bringing about their plan to radicalize, nationalize, and federalize America.

    1. Health Care’s Long and Painful Death

    Barring the existing possibility that the Democrats cram a reform bill down the throats of actively protesting Americans through an ultra-partisan process that would shut out conservatives and Republicans from even being allowed to contribute to the discussion, health care reform is dead.

    It actually died a good while back when the president decided to pivot and create a new issue that no one had been discussing–health insurance reform. The American people will want to know why we should spend $4 billion to cover everyone in America “efficiently,” when we already do so with inefficiencies like people using the emergency room as their general practitioner for $2.5 billion.

    Deep thinkers on the issue also want to know why the president hasn’t entertained one item of tort reform– protecting his friends, the trial lawyers– yet is willing to claim that doctors are eager to lop off feet, tonsils, and other body parts just to make a buck.

    2. Cap-and-Trade Will Be the Largest Tax Increase in American History

    With the 2010 election cycle just around the corner, it won’t be too long before the campaign ads are drafted. With cap-and-trade still sitting in legislative limbo (and the president’s own adviser–Warren Buffet– now opposing it openly in the media), with anti-tax Democrats, Republicans, and Independents coming to Washington on September 12, and with “Blue Dog” Democrats getting hammered by constituents during the August recess, the chance of an ultra-partisan “ram through” victory on the legislation would not be wise.

    Cap-and-trade, if passed, will contribute to unemployment, Wall Street stop and starts, and ultimately reduced treasury revenues. It would serve as the single largest tax increase on the average American in all of American history.

    Even President Obama admitted as much, predicting that electric bill prices, in his words, would, “skyrocket.” Those that have looked at the specifics tell us that the average utility bill in America will go from $167 to $307 per month, per family.

    3. Unemployment Will Remain

    By now several Washington organizations, from left and right, and one of note consisting of both–the Congressional Budget Office, predict that unemployment will not shrink from the predicted “Obama high” of eight percent. Instead, nearly without fail, economists are predicting that unemployment will be at or over 10% for up to the next 24 months.– That is a nearly 250% increase in the unemployment rate under Bush for nearly the duration of his two-term presidency. We did not see the unemployment climb this high during President Bush’s entire two-term presidency.

    If more people were working, higher taxes and possible new health care entitlements could be considered, but with at least ten percent of the population out of work, it is political suicide for Democrats to even think of it.

    4. Obama’s Integrity Has Been Tarnished in August

    Not a great deal has been made of the whoppers that the president has been spewing while Congress has been away during the summer recess but it turns out that more people than I realized have also noticed the president wildly “exaggerating” in his talks on health care. For instance, the president confused the $500 physicians actually get to amputate a foot as opposed to the $50,000 that he claimed they got. He also showed an utter disregard for the reputation of those doctors he talks about, the “facts” he uses to make his argument, and is highly overly optimistic about the results of his policies. Long story short, at the beginning of the summer Americans mostly trusted him, his passion index was at +10, he heads into the fall at -14.

    5. A $3 Trillion Dollar Budget

    There was lots of new spending for this and it sure added up. And that brings me to number 6.

    6. A Coming Middle Class Tax Hike

    The Obama administration will hem and haw about hiking taxes. — There will be an official, and arrogant, explanation given by Robert Gibbs from the podium in the White House briefing room about why they must to do this to be “good stewards” and to be a “responsible administration” that “pays as it goes.”

    But the truth is, in order to pay for everything the Obama administration has promised (and budgeted for), a tax hike is looming for small businesses and the working families that President Obama promised would never come.

    And as an aside, the president was going to break that promise all along. Because the minute the Bush tax relief measures run out in 2010, middle class taxes would be going up in the Obama administration. That means that, fundamentally, that Obama’s “not a single dime” pledge on the campaign trail was just hot air from start to finish.

    Of course, the president, the Democrats, the left, and Congressional leadership could surprise me. They could show up in September and endorse the Coburn health care bill in the Senate and steal all the credit for it. They could show up next week and fight with all their might to not allow the tax rates to skyrocket in 2010. They could decide to scrap cap-and-trade and re-think the use of public money for a true job-based economic stimulus.

    But I’m not holding my breath, and I’d advise you against it as well.

    They’ve awakened the American worker, the American small-business owner, and the American voter.

    All three of which are now wondering aloud, “What on earth have we done?”

  67. j.b. Says:

    http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/fnc/whos_messing_with_the_glenn_beck_cable_listings_130205.asp

    SOMEBODY NEEDS TO GET FIRED FOR THIS!

  68. ryansgrammy Says:

    Well someone better tell WND about the truth on VJ (sarc)
    http://romanticpoet.wordpress.com/2009/09/07/trevor-loudon-a-true-american-hero-from-new-zealand-was-first-to-expose-van-jones-and-communistradical-connections-to-obama/

  69. ryansgrammy Says:

    Dept of Justice is asking court to throw out Orly’s lawsuit.

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/joshgerstein/0909/DOJ_to_judge_dump_birthers_suit.html

  70. ryansgrammy Says:

    I got the above article from The Obama File — there’s additional info and commentary there so check it out. One statement was that perhaps Lucas Smith has something that they (DoJ) does’t want exposed.

    http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaLatest.htm

  71. sdee Says:

    Glenn Beck on morning news said some interesting things we’ve talked about here:

    – He is “terrified” over Van Jones’ resignation because of Obama’s silence. Obama did not criticize, denounce or even comment on Jones’ anti-American policies and ideology.

    – He is convinced that this resignation does little to change the radical agenda underway. And, that Van Jones still has the authority of the Administration and will stay on the game plan – just outside the Whitehouse

    – He said by then end of the week he will have exposed something that will land people in jail.

  72. sdee Says:

    j.b. Says:
    http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/fnc/whos_messing_with_the_glenn_beck_cable_listings_130205.asp

    SOMEBODY NEEDS TO GET FIRED FOR THIS!
    *********************************************

    Wow, they are everywhere!

    When the light gets bright enough, the cockroaches start to scurry.

  73. sdee Says:

    j.b. Says:

    Has anyone seen any coverage of the Tea Party Express this weekend on FOX?
    ****************************

    Atlas Shrugs has put together a lot of pics and videos.

    “”The American Insurgency: Tens of Thousands Protest Obama Across America – Tea Parties””

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/09/the-american-insurgency-tens-of-thousands-protest-obama-across-america.html

  74. sdee Says:

    Tom Horne, Arizona State Superintendent of Schools just gave an excellent analysis on news show of why Obama’s school speech is dangerous and quite unlike others before it………

    – Whitehouse sent out coached questions for and other assignment materials for the President’s messages. This frames a student’s thinking – it does not encourage independent thinking.

    – The tone, content and objective of the material is hero worship not education.

  75. cynkading Says:

    Good Morning!

    I received this in an e-mail this morning. My mouth just fell open. This should clear up any doubts about how our CIC feels about his Islamic friends. I am so disturbed about this that I am not sure how to digest it. Christians are becoming the minority in our country if they are not already.

    Washington, D.C. – On September 25th there will be a national prayer gathering of Muslims on the west front of the U.S. Capitol Building. They are expecting at least 50,000 to attend from mosques all across America. They will gather to pray from 4:00 AM until 7:00 PM. The gathering will take place by the site where U.S. Presidents have been inaugurated since 1981. The organizers say that it was Obama’s inauguration speech in January and his speech broadcast from Egypt in June that gave them the idea for this prayer gathering on Capitol Hill.

    They have a website set up for this event. If you never look at another website look at this one, especially the final words: islamoncapitolhill.com

  76. sdee Says:

    “”UK Denies Osteoprosis Drugs to Women.””

    Another national healthcare story in the Daily Mail. One commenter caught my eye………………………….

    “”You gave away your guns. You are now experiencing runaway crime. Neither criminal thugs nor Government thugs fear you anymore.

    You gave away your rights. Now your Government treats you as SHEEP.

    You gave away your liberties. You no longer have the freedom even to choose your OWN medical care.

    With the NHS you gave away your LIVES. You are at the mercy of a state-run healthcare system which HAS no mercy.

    NHS: None Here Survive.

    – tailgunner, Florida, USA, 08/9/2009 15:03″”

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1211754/Restrictions-prescription-osteoporosis-drugs-defy-belief-says-leading-doctor.html#ixzz0QWjUuMV8

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  78. Melisa/Missysworld Says:

    Hi all..
    I don’t know if any of you have read this article about “Is another 9/11 set to unfold?”
    The man who wrote it predicted the first 9/11, but was one month off. He converted to Islam, and even met Osama. Part of what he says:

    “Eight years from 1993 to 2001, eight years from that 9/11 to this 9/11,” he said. “Symbolism. They’re big on symbolism.”

    “Ramadan started two weeks ago Saturday,” he said, referring to the Muslim holy month of fasting. “It always hits around Ramadan.”
    http://www.deseretnews.com/article/print/705328180/Is-another-911-set-to-unfold.html
    Read the article then remember..
    “50,000 Muslims expected for Islamic Prayer on Capital Hill” September 25, 2009…
    http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2009/08/31/50000-muslims-expected-for-islamic-prayer-on-capitol-hill/
    Here is the Islamic website:
    http://islamoncapitolhill.com/Home_Page.html
    Now if it is true what the man in the first article says about everything they do has to do with symbolism, should not this scare everyone beyond belief?
    That would be the perfect day for terrorists to do another 9/11, perhaps right there on Capital Hill..

  79. Fernley Girl Says:

    j.b.
    TY for the video from Winnemucca…it’s very similar to the town where I live. Lots of hard-working, freedom-loving Americans who are proud of their soldiers.

  80. sdee Says:

    from Drudge:

    Congressional Inquisition after Bush’s Speech to Kids.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/When-Bush-spoke-to-students-Democrats-investigated-held-hearings-57694347.html

  81. jrinNC Says:

    I just got word this morning a friend in Germany, her 18yr old grandson just died from swine flu. Went to his lungs where pneumonia set in and he died from cardiac arrest.

  82. sdee Says:

    man oh man were we ever wrong

    turns out Van Jones is a Patriot

    http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/eboo_patel/2009/09/van_jones_patriot.html?hpid=talkbox1

  83. jrinNC Says:

    sdee I don’t believe that for one minute. One only has to listen to his rhetoric to see that that leopard does not change his spots. Besides too much support from Valerie Jarrett.

  84. cynkading Says:

    http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/olbermann_beck_ailes/2009/09/07/257171.html?s=al&promo_code=8836-1

  85. rosettasister Says:

    Melisa/Missysworld Says:
    September 8, 2009 at 3:51 pm

    Hi, Melisa. The only reason your post went to moderation is because it included more than one clickable link, I think.

    For example, this should have worked:

    ***

    “Ramadan started two weeks ago Saturday,” he said, referring to the Muslim holy month of fasting. “It always hits around Ramadan.”

    http://www.deseretnews.com/article/print/705328180/Is-another-911-set-to-unfold.html

    Read the article then remember..

    “50,000 Muslims expected for Islamic Prayer on Capital Hill” September 25, 2009…

    creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2009/08/31/50000-muslims-expected-for-islamic-prayer-on-capitol-hill/

    Here is the Islamic website:

    islamoncapitolhill.com/Home_Page.html

    ***

    Also I’ve noticed if you’re trying to post a youtube that can be viewed here, it doesn’t work if you include another link in addition to youtube link.

    Thanks for posting here!

    Rose

  86. Melisa/Missysworld Says:

    okay..thankyou Rose:)

  87. rosettasister Says:

    John Bernard, father of fallen marine wants to get word out on ROE (Rules of Engagement)

    (Sometimes I wonder if these interviewers actually listen to the interviewee, Mr. Bernard wants to make sure other members of our military don’t suffer the same fate due to ROE endangering them in the heat of battle.)

    Associated Press prints photo of dying Marine against family’s, Pentagon’s wishes

  88. rosettasister Says:

    John Bernard also believes the Rules of Engagement in war put the safety of citizens in other countries ahead of the safety of US Soldiers.

    http://www.wcsh6.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=108841&catid=2

  89. rosettasister Says:

    Doctors demand to be included in health care debate

  90. rosettasister Says:

    Baucus to Push Deal With Republicans Despite Unresolved Issues

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/08/AR2009090801339.html?hpid=topnews

    The “Gang of Six,” comprised of Baucus, two Democratic colleagues, and three Republicans, has spent months crafting legislation that aims to lower health care costs in the long term but also bridge the uninsured gap.

    One area of dispute the group will attempt to resolve Tuesday is where to set the federal subsidy cap for uninsured families. Baucus has proposed 300 percent of the federal poverty level, the equivalent of about $66,000 per year for a family of four. But some other members of the group — including moderate GOP Sen. Olympia J. Snowe (Maine) — want to push the level to 400 percent, or about $88,000 per year for a family of four. The lawmakers may compromise at 350 percent, said one individual familiar with the talks. The higher threshold would increase the bill’s cost.

    The Baucus plan, which circulated among the gang this weekend, sets forth provisions that have already gained the group’s unofficial support and adds nothing significant that the group has not deliberated, senior Senate aides said. But Democrats are wary that two of the three GOP negotiators — Sens. Charles E. Grassley (Iowa) and Mike Enzi (Wyo.) — could walk away, under pressure from their Republican colleagues to allow Democrats to fight for a bill on their own.

    Two of the Baucus measures reflect the group’s long-standing goal to find common ground on highly contentious issues. Instead of a government-run insurance option, the Baucus proposal would create a network of nonprofit cooperatives — an alternative that Grassley, the lead Republican negotiator, has backed.

    The Baucus proposal also would levy a tax on insurance companies that offer the most expensive insurance plans, a move that would raise about $180 billion over the next 10 years. Negotiators had discussed directly taxing people who receive high-cost plans through their employers — benefits that currently are tax-free — but settled on taxing insurance companies as a more politically palatable alternative.

    In either form, the tax is aimed at persuading insurers to stop offering high-cost plans and at convincing workers to stop choosing them, changes that economists believe would divert money from the nation’s bloated health-care system to higher wages for workers. While many Democrats and Republicans in the Senate have endorsed the idea, it remains unpopular in the House, in part because union households are among the beneficiaries of the “Cadillac” health plans. A levy also could violate an Obama campaign pledge not to increase taxes on families earning less than $250,000 a year.

    In addition, Baucus would seek to raise a smaller amount by imposing a fee on all health insurance companies according to their market share — a measure intended to extract some sacrifice from an industry that stands to gain 46 million new customers. Baucus proposes a variety of mechanisms to enhance competition and transparency to ensure that the firms do not simply pass the fee onto their customers.

    The fee is necessary, Senate sources said, to cover the higher subsidy levels that Snowe is seeking. But Grassley, for one, is said to oppose the idea.

  91. rosettasister Says:

    Hoyer: Could back bill without public option

    http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/sep/08/hoyer-says-he-could-back-health-bill-without-publi/?feat=home_headlines

    House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer said Tuesday that he was willing to vote for a health care reform bill that does not have a controversial “public” insurance option because the current proposals contain many positive insurance industry reforms.

    “If the public option weren’t in there, I would still support the bill,” said Mr. Hoyer, Maryland Democrat, pointing, for instance, to changes that would ban insurance companies from denying coverage to patients with preexisting health problems.

    The big political showdown is likely to be over the public option in the House, where liberals have threatened to withhold support if the provision isn’t included and conservative Democrats have threatened to withhold support if it is. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has said that a health reform bill without the public insurance plan as an option would not pass the House.

    President Obama is expected to lay his own bottom line for a health care bill in a speech to a joint session of Congress Wednesday evening.

    (This is all just for show. I’m guessing House bill will have public “option” Senate bill won’t and conference attendees will settle on Conrad’s coops or Snowe’s trigger. I prefer the trigger simply because I don’t believe it will ever be pulled. Private insurers want a piece of this huge pie.)

  92. sdee Says:

    jrinNC Says:

    sdee I don’t believe that for one minute. One only has to listen to his rhetoric to see that that leopard does not change his spots. Besides too much support from Valerie Jarrett.
    ********************************

    sorry,
    I guess I shoulda’ added the facetious little smiley face to my comment.
    i.e I was being a smartazz 🙂

  93. rosettasister Says:

    Rasmussen Presidential Approval

    09/08/2009

    Total Approve 50
    Total Disapprove 49

    (I’ll be very interested to see these numbers in days following Obama’s address. If it’s same ole same ole, I believe his approval will plummet again. If he extends an olive branch to Repubs and private insurers, I expect his numbers will improve.)

  94. rosettasister Says:

    James Gelfand, senior manager of Health Policy at the United States Chamber of Commerce

    http://www.blounttoday.com/news/2009/sep/08/understanding-health-care-legislation/

    Gelfand said so far the debate in Congress has been between conservative Democrats and more liberal Democrats because they have majorities in both houses of Congress.

    “There is one last hope for bipartisan reform – the ‘gang of six’ – three Democrats and three Republicans on the Senate finance committee.

    They are very close to coming to an agreement,” he said. “Word on the street is the Congressional Budget Office thinks the bill in the Senate Finance Committee would actually lower costs and bend the curve.

    We’re taking a wait-and-see approach.”

    Gelfand said it is the hope of the U.S. Chamber that broad-scale reform gets scaled back, and there is a compromise. “What would a compromise look like? It would take out the government health care plan’s overbearing federal control and be left with cost controls, insurance reform and a new market place,” he said.

  95. rosettasister Says:

    H/T James Pethokoukis

    Afghanistan: The generational shift you always end up waiting on

    http://thomaspmbarnett.com/weblog/2009/09/afghanistan_the_generational_s.html

    Connectivity is a dangerous, destabilizing thing, creatively destructive in the worst way.

    The rap on me (Barnett thinks connectivity creates peace instantly) has always missed the point about it being the Pentagon’s new map: connectivity is revolution.

    It will almost always get scarier and more unstable before it settles down, and no, containment is a chimera.

    There is no containing globalization, our international liberal trade order unleashed upon the planet.

    There is only mitigation.

    The revolution is largely generational (young v. old) and gender-based (women against men).

    It offends custom on almost every level possible.

  96. rosettasister Says:

    Jim Pethokoukis’s posts on Barnett reminded me of his appearances on Hugh Hewitt show.

    My undergrad is in Intl Relations, so I have an interest in these conversations.

    But it may bore you to tears! Oh well. To each his own.

    http://thomaspmbarnett.com/weblog/2009/03/toms_discussions_with_hugh_hew.html

  97. sdee Says:

    Rose, I believe the trigger option is just a time delayed poison pill.

    Has anyone questioned the assumption that insurance companies even have control of healthcare costs? This trigger is a gun held to the heads of an large American industry. The government holds all the cards and will stack the deck so the trigger gets pulled.

    I always go back to intent. Healthcare is a crucual control point for Statism. They must have it and will lie, cheat and deceive to get it.

    We have won an initial battle against socialization of healthcare. Why surrender that ground? Their intent will remain, regardless of the compromise. We cannot trust any of them especially Snowe whose track record is clear.

    IDB has an editorial on this:
    “”…….
    Republicans can rightly rejoice at seeing Americans practice assertive, effective citizenship. Angry crowds at this summer’s town halls recognized the government-run “public option” that Democrats push is a grave threat to the best health care system in the world.

    This alternative would feature artificially low premiums and other enticements that would suck away tens of millions of private insurers’ customers and wreck the health insurance industry.

    The funny thing is, liberal-leaning Republican Snowe of Maine seems to realize just how dangerous the public option is — even as she puts forward a plan that endorses it.

    From taxes to moral issues, Snowe has long been a thorn in the GOP’s side. Now, in trying to save the Democrats’ radical health care revolution, Snowe is proposing a “trigger” version of the public option.

    The health insurance industry would have several years to bring costs down (the false assumption being that they’re the ones who have been keeping costs artificially high).

    If they fail, which they certainly would under the added expenses that health care reform would impose, it would trigger the establishment of a government-run alternative coverage scheme.

    Snowe’s ploy comes as the president plans to call a joint session of Congress on Wednesday evening in what the establishment media have described as a “high risk, high reward” strategy.

    It’s actually highly insulting to try to scare Americans into a socialistic health revolution they have resoundingly rejected.

    A CNN poll last week found that only one in four Americans want some version of Congress’ government-centered health care proposals to become law. It’s that unpopular.

    The president obviously isn’t listening to the vox populi, but neither is the Democrats’ favorite GOP senator.

    When someone who is as far left and as committed to ObamaCare as Sen. Russ Feingold is declares it to be dead, as the Wisconsin Democrat did last month, why would a Republican senator want to rescue it — along with Democrats’ political fortunes?

    The 80-plus-strong House Progressive Caucus and the Congressional Black Caucus are demanding the public option be included in what comes to the floor. And House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has warned that a bill without the government option won’t pass.

    It sounds like Democrats, responding to their leftist base, will double down and try to get their radical transformation of our private-based medical system enacted, public opinion be damned.

    If that’s indeed what unfolds this week, will Snowe betray her party’s principles and help Democrats put America on the road to socialized medicine?””

    http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=336954427646306

  98. jrinNC Says:

    sdee says: sorry,
    I guess I shoulda’ added the facetious little smiley face to my comment.
    i.e I was being a smartazz 🙂

    Well I thought you were at first then I thought well maybe not – LOL should have known 🙂

    I personally can’t decide if Mark Lloyd needs to be next or we need to start concentrating on these cabinet appointees. I think old Valerie has a lot to be divulged.

  99. sdee Says:

    rosettasister Says:
    Rasmussen Presidential Approval
    Total Approve 50
    Total Disapprove 49

    (I’ll be very interested to see these numbers in days following Obama’s address. If it’s same ole same ole, I believe his approval will plummet again. If he extends an olive branch to Repubs and private insurers, I expect his numbers will improve.)
    ******************************

    I did not see Obama’s complete Labor Day speech, just sound bites. Did he sound to you like he was trimming olive branches?

    To me he sounded confrontational – drawing a line in the sand. But then again he does tailor the message to the audience – and that was a labor union.

  100. sdee Says:

    jrinNC Says:
    I personally can’t decide if Mark Lloyd needs to be next or we need to start concentrating on these cabinet appointees. I think old Valerie has a lot to be divulged.
    ************************

    I do not know either – that all are cockraches as far as I am concerned.

    I posted above some stuff Beck said on the TV this morning. He also said something about a Czar replacement that is even worse than the first one.

    His target is in the sights. Guess we will find out soon.

  101. rosettasister Says:

    sdee Says:
    September 8, 2009 at 7:10 pm

    “Another Snowe Job”

    Well, all I can say about that is both lefties and righties are saying the same thing about Snowe’s trigger.

    So that makes me wonder.

    I would be more skeptical if we didn’t already have a trigger that hasn’t been pulled in Bush’s prescription coverage for the elderly.

    As I’ve said before, Congress members are going to have a hard time explaining why they voted for that trigger but not this one.

    And I have noticed a lot of conservative pundits say recently that this is what we’ll end up with.

    Pelosi let the cat out of the bag, but then had to backtrack to pacify the hard left.

    My biggest complaint now is that we could have avoided a lot of confrontation in which some people were injured if Obama Reid Pelosi had been honest about what they must have known would be in the final bill.

    I guess we’ll just have to wait and see what Obama says tomorrow.

  102. rosettasister Says:

    More on the weak U.S. labor market

    http://blogs.reuters.com/james-pethokoukis/2009/09/08/more-on-the-weak-us-labor-market/

    Based on the previous two cycles, the unemployment rate should peak in 15-19 months, or sometime between September 2010 and January 2011!

    When might employment recover?

    The previous two experiences suggest this might occur within the next 11-21 months after June, or between May 2010 and March 2011.

    Is that too pessimistic?

    The optimists argue that companies may have fired too many workers, and will have to scramble to rehire once the economy improves.

    So far, during the first 20 months of this recession,

    payroll employment is down a whopping 6.93mn vs.

    total losses in employment of 2.71mn and 1.57mn

    during the downturns at the beginning of this decade and the previous one.

    (Not sure exactly what is being measured here, but I do know that 6.93mn sounds a lot worse than 2.71mn and 1.57mn)

    Debbie and I expect that this recovery will be much more “jobless” than the previous two.

    The industries that have cut back the most (durable goods manufacturing, construction, and retail) are inherently labor intensive, and they are likely to remain in intensive care for quite a while.

  103. rosettasister Says:

    http://twitter.com/jimpethokoukis

    Big Dem miscalculation: economic insecurity would nudge people toward Big Government. That’s a poor reading of history; also scary deficit

  104. rosettasister Says:

    Some links I stumbled upon:

    http://totallygroovygirlfriday.wordpress.com/

    http://totallygroovygirlfriday.wordpress.com/2009/08/13/three-excellent-resources-on-the-current-state-of-the-economy/

    http://www.youtube.com/results?uploaded=m&search_query=wepollock&search_sort=video_date_uploaded_reverse&search_type=videos&search_filter=0

  105. rosettasister Says:

  106. Tenacity Says:

    I say to the Repubs in the clique of sicks: “Agree to anything in that stinking government grab bill and YOU ARE FIRED!!! Its tort reform or filibuster…take your pick.”

    CC2009 and nothin’ but STATESMEN in 2010!!!

  107. Tenacity Says:

    sdee,
    Its really too bad about poor VJ. Didn’t ya just want to go have a beer with him?

  108. jrinNC Says:

    I am stunned here with the deal Baucus is offering – “No Choice” Option – with fines up to $3800 for families who do not get ins.

    Baucus Plan Allows for Fines Up to $3,800 for Failing to Get Health Insurance
    The plan from Democratic Sen. Max Baucus of Montana would make health insurance mandatory, just like auto coverage.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/08/baucus-plan-allows-fines-failing-health-insurance/

    It goes from bad to worse.

  109. jrinNC Says:

    Ten – Agree to anything in that stinking government grab bill and YOU ARE FIRED!!! Its tort reform or filibuster…take your pick.”

    I was just on the point of posting the same thing. I am all set to send ltrs to my senators and congressmen to tell them – you allow this to push through and you will be spending your last term in office.

  110. Tenacity Says:

    Just think, the best sure-bet investment today might be to purchase life insurance policies on Larry Sinclair, Orly Taitz, Glenn Beck, and Judge Carter if he has the guts to actually hear the case. Remember Donald Young?

    I’m thinkin’ if you really want to understand Valerie Jarrett, you need to read the Svali interviews. Who else in this coven has the hypnotic power to control both S/Ob and Muchelle? Heck, she might even be the alpha dog over Axerod and Tiny Dancer.

  111. Tenacity Says:

    jr,
    Did you see the Tea Party sign that said, “Shove it down our throats in 2009 and we will shove it up your a** in 2010”? That had to be my favorite.

  112. Tenacity Says:

    I just looked up “moron” in my unabridged and found a picture of Baucus next to it. He is quite obviously syllogistically challenged.

  113. jrinNC Says:

    Nope Ten – haven’t seen that, but I like VERY MUCH.

    Hey I just realized Van Jones and Valerie Jarrett have the same initials. Like I said above think it is time she is looked at under the microscope.

  114. jrinNC Says:

    Wow Ten – you are on a roll today – LMAO on that last one.

  115. rosettasister Says:

    New Link for Dutch Blog for Iran Updates:

    http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.joostniemoller.com/2009/09/nieuws-uit-iran-van-binnenuit/&ei=YcCmSo2zH8apnQesn_2vBw&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=4&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DNieuws%2Buit%2BIran,%2Bvan%2Bbinnenuit%2B%2522Joost%2BNiem%25C3%25B6ller%2522%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26tbo%3D1%26tbs%3Dqdr:w

  116. rosettasister Says:

    blunt dog says:
    8 september 2009 om 21:26 September 8, 2009 at 21:26

    @iranbaan Dr.Alireza Beheshti, son of Ayatollah Beheshti who is Mousavi’s chief adviser has been arrested hour ago #IranElection

    @ iran job Dr.Alireza Beheshti, who is son of Ayatollah Beheshti Mousavi’s chief adviser has been arrested hour ago # Iran Election

    De arrestatie is bevestigd inmiddels.

    The arrest has been confirmed.

  117. sdee Says:

    jrinNC Says:

    Ten – Agree to anything in that stinking government grab bill and YOU ARE FIRED!!! Its tort reform or filibuster…take your pick.”

    **************************

    If you run I’ll vote for you JR. Heck I’ll campaign.

    Want David Price’s seat?

  118. sdee Says:

    jrinNC Says:
    I am stunned here with the deal Baucus is offering – “No Choice” Option – with fines up to $3800 for families who do not get ins.
    ******************

    There are two Georgia lawmakers building state legislation that will, based on sovereignty, block the Feds from forcing us to buy something we do not want to buy or fining us for not buying something they told us to.

    Gee, now that makes sense.

  119. rosettasister Says:

    More Iran Updates

    http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%23gr88

    RT @onlymehdi: CONFIRMED: Alireza Beheshti is arrested

    http://twitter.com/Shhh527

    http://twitter.com/onlymehdi

  120. sdee Says:

    Tenacity Says:
    sdee,
    Its really too bad about poor VJ. Didn’t ya just want to go have a beer with him?
    *************
    😀

  121. sdee Says:

    ok gtg – found myself near a TV at 5pm and I plan to listen in on GB.

  122. rosettasister Says:

    My husband forwarded this to me.

    You can click download and then open or save, or not.

    http://www.4shared.com/file/131217241/16f629fa/11MostExpensiveCatastrophes.html

  123. jrinNC Says:

    Imagine That –

    Barack Obama accused of making ‘Depression’ mistakes
    Barack Obama is committing the same mistakes made by policymakers during the Great Depression, according to a new study endorsed by Nobel laureate James Buchanan.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/6147211/Barack-Obama-accused-of-making-Depression-mistakes.html

  124. jrinNC Says:

    sdee – Want David Price’s seat?

    Not even in that district sdee – think I’ll stick with Walter B until he gives me a good reason to vote him out. At this moment in our history, I would not even want my name even associated with anything in the current congress. Now the CC2009 – you betcha. Of course Tenacity has my vote all the way for our “NEW” leadership.

  125. jrinNC Says:

    rosettasister Says:
    September 8, 2009 at 9:10 pm

    My husband forwarded this to me.

    **********************************************************
    Rose that was VERY good – how did I even know the #1 catastrophe 🙂
    But was very much surprised at a few of the others.

  126. rosettasister Says:

    jrinNC Says:
    September 8, 2009 at 9:22 pm

    oops I forgot to thank my husband for forwarding that.

    Thanks for reminding me!

  127. rosettasister Says:

    121. “STARDUST” – BILLY WARD & HIS DOMINOES
    122. “SINCE I FELL FOR YOU”- LENNY WELCH
    123. “THE WIND” – THE JESTERS
    124. “PUT YOUR HEAD ON MY SHOULDER” – PAUL ANKA
    125. “BIG GIRLS DON’T CRY” – THE 4 SEASONS
    126. “A THOUSAND MILES AWAY” – THE HEARTBEATS
    127. “SEE YOU IN SEPTEMBER” – THE HAPPENINGS
    128. “NIGHTS IN WHITE SATIN” – THE MOODY BLUES
    129. “HELP!” – THE BEATLES
    130. “CRYING” – ROY ORBISON

    http://www.4shared.com/file/131220122/19423f6/01_Stardust_-_Billy_Ward_And_The_Dominoes.html

    http://www.4shared.com/file/131220223/74d5ad39/02_Since_I_Fell_For_You_-_Lenny_Welch.html

    http://www.4shared.com/file/131220315/b75931f8/03_Wind_-_Jesters.html

    http://www.4shared.com/file/131220408/d5bc6a81/04_Put_Your_Head_On_My_Shoulder_-_Paul_Anka.html

    http://www.4shared.com/file/131220515/b3d44d4a/05_Big_Girls_Dont_Cry_-_4_Seasons.html

    http://www.4shared.com/file/131220623/73dc05e5/06_A_Thousand_Miles_Away_-_Heartbeats.html

    http://www.4shared.com/file/131220706/3042f9df/07_See_You_In_September_-_Happenings.html

    http://www.4shared.com/file/131220911/bda37037/08_Nights_In_White_Satin_-_Moody_Blues.html

    http://www.4shared.com/file/131220986/f2055edd/09_Help_-_Beatles.html

    http://www.4shared.com/file/131221072/c59ddae1/10_Crying_-_Roy_Orbison.html

    Updated Link After Additions:

    http://www.4shared.com/play/10329682/efdae9dd/sharing.html

    Starting on Page 1 Number 13

  128. Tenacity Says:

    jr,
    I wish you were in Colorado. I will need all the votes I can muster. Thanks for the confidence btw. The feeling is mutual. I hope you, sdee, CJ, j.b., Rose, Lexi and that fishy scavenger guy that’s supposed to be reporting in soon are all being nominated as delegates to CC2009. I wish Katie or her hubby were on the ballot too. Each voter does get to vote for 3 nominees since there will be 3 delegates from each state. Food and lodging will be provided for each delegate.

  129. rosettasister Says:

    CC2009 Continental Congress 2009 NPC Press Conference

  130. rosettasister Says:

    3 reasons why cap-and-trade is in trouble

    http://blogs.reuters.com/james-pethokoukis/2009/09/08/3-reasons-why-cap-and-trade-is-in-trouble/

    To quote the man who jumped from a burning airplane with no parachute, “First things first!” Americans seem to agree.

    Given a possible weak economic recovery and worker anxiety about jobs, neither a strong cap-and-trade climate change bill, nor a carbon tax bill, may happen anytime soon.

    Instead, a better option might be more government-funded research into technological fixes. The Bjorn Lomborg-led Copenhagen Consensus recently released a list of proposals — such as marine cloud whitening and carbon storage — that could give more bang for the buck than new regulation and taxes.

    If politics is the art of the possible, new green technology may be all that environmentalists can realistically expect from America.

  131. rosettasister Says:

    The Writing on the Wall

    Collins, Lieberman doubtful on public option; more supportive of ‘trigger’

    http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/57669-collins-lieberman-doubtful-on-public-option

    “I’m opposed to a Washington-run public option,” Collins said. “I believe it would cause many people to lose health insurance that they’re currently happy with now, and that’s contrary to the assurances that advocates of the public option have been giving. I’m also concerned about the cost and control issue.

    “A trigger is certainly a better approach, but I’m not convinced that we could rely on this administration to resist the lure of triggering the public option.”

    Collins’s wariness comes despite “several” conversations she said she had with Obama in July on the issue, as well as other administration officials, including Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius. Collins said no such conversations took place over the August recess, however, at a time when the Obama administration ramped up its courting of Snowe.

    Collins’s comments suggest that the administration approached her for support and determined her to be an unlikely ally. Collins did say she spoke for a half-hour last week with Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.), who is leading a six-way series of bipartisan talks on a Finance Committee health bill.

    Lieberman, whose state is home to several large insurers, said the debate over a public option has become a “distraction” to the larger issue of reform. He said while he is “interested in taking a look at” the idea of a public-option trigger, he opposes a fixed public-option plan.

    “If you create a government health insurance plan, the government is inevitably going to be spending money on it, and that means taxpayers will be spending more money on it,” he said. “And I just don’t think at this stage in our history, with all of the terrible national debt that we’re facing, that we should be adding another government agency to do this kind of thing.”

    Lieberman said he does support several ideas aimed at cracking down on insurers, such as guaranteeing coverage and eliminating prohibitions based on pre-existing conditions. And in areas where insurers have a monopoly on health coverage, Lieberman said the Federal Trade Commission and Justice Department should be enforcing antitrust laws.

    “People say, ‘We’ve got to keep the insurance companies honest,’ but to me the better way to do that is through government regulation,” he said.

  132. jrinNC Says:

    Rose Thanks for #124 and #130. I am a big Roy Orbison fan as well.

  133. sdee Says:

    So Beck hinted at a bigger strategy. He had a good analogy of Obama’s regime as an iceberg in the path of the Constitution. Said everyone is focused on what is visible, while it is what is below the surface that will sink the Constitution. Said Van Jones resignation was not a victory – they just moved him below the iceberg’s waterline.

    Lame Cherry lays out a strategy as well – pretty interesting read.
    http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2009/09/my-own-private-obamaho.html

  134. rosettasister Says:

    Roy Orbison singin’ for the lonely

    Hey, that’s me and I want you only

    ***

    Quoting Bruce Springsteen, I used to be a big fan

    When my elder sister started quoting Bruce to me, I knew something was wrong.

    I don’t think so!

    BTW, Rosalita is one of Bill’s favorite songs.

    We met in 1976, Bruce’s music was a big part of our courtship.

  135. patriotamy Says:

    Tenacity Says:
    sdee,
    Its really too bad about poor VJ. Didn’t ya just want to go have a beer with him?
    *************
    roflmao

  136. jrinNC Says:

    Ten – wish I was in Colorado also. Seems to be more involvement in this movement than here where I live. The person I wrote at givemeliberty.org who is supposedly a rep for my county has not even responded to my inquiry. So I guess I will try contacting someone else.

    But either way, I will do whatever I can to support you in any endeavor you do.

  137. ryansgrammy Says:

    Melisa/Missysworld Says:

    September 8, 2009 at 3:51 pm
    Hi all..
    I don’t know if any of you have read this article about “Is another 9/11 set to unfold?”

    Melissa — that’s what kind of scared me with the 9/12 march. Especially since our gov’t would like nothing better than silencing the opposition. 😦

  138. ryansgrammy Says:

    jr — you getting rain again — we’re going to need an ark if we get much more. Heard parts of NC coast got 9 inches — yuk!

  139. jrinNC Says:

    Grammy – I walk out in my yard and the water is over my ankles. My pond is overflowing. A real mucky mess. I am sick of this mess.

  140. sdee Says:

    This is serious. The website sent a chill down my spine.

    A very very bad sign for America. It is a signal to all of Islam that they are inside. This IS Barack Hussein Obama.

    from Atlas Shrugs
    Washington, D.C. – On September 25th there will be a national prayer gathering of Muslims on the west front of the U.S. Capitol Building. They are expecting at least 50,000 to attend from mosques all across America. They will gather to pray from 4:00 AM until 7:00 PM. The gathering will take place by the site where U.S. Presidents have been inaugurated since 1981. The organizers say that it was Obama’s inauguration speech in January and his speech broadcast from Egypt in June that gave them the idea for this prayer gathering on Capitol Hill.

    They have a website set up for this event. If you never look at another website look at this one, especially the final words:

    http://islamoncapitolhill.com/Home_Page.html

    The is Islam’s version of an in-your-face f-you. Here is one they prepared for Italy and Catholicism:
    atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/01/rememeber-this.html?cid=144767912#comment-144767912

  141. rosettasister Says:

  142. rosettasister Says:

    http://www.4shared.com/file/131237318/695f5c4c/06_Rosalita__Come_Out_Tonight_.html

  143. sdee Says:

    Ten,
    I too wish I were in Colorado. We’ve some land north of Penrose and are anxious to put up a roof.

  144. rosettasister Says:

  145. rosettasister Says:

    Bill and I have a very good friend, Bill grew up next door to him, who taught high school English forever until he retired. He used to teach Bruce’s lyrics in his classroom, considered it street poetry.

    Why did you leave America, Bruce? Why did you let me down?

    http://www.4shared.com/file/131242386/dadbe620/01_Thunder_Road.html

    The screen door slams, Mary’s dress waves
    Like a vision she dances across the porch as the radio plays
    Roy Orbison singing for the lonely
    Hey, that’s me and I want you only
    Don’t turn me home again, I just can’t face myself alone again
    Don’t run back inside, darling, you know just what I’m here for
    So you’re scared and you’re thinking that maybe we ain’t that young anymore
    Show a little faith, there’s magic in the night
    You ain’t a beauty but, hey, you’re alright
    Oh, and that’s alright with me

    You can hide ‘neath your covers and study your pain
    Make crosses from your lovers, throw roses in the rain
    Waste your summer praying in vain
    For a savior to rise from these streets
    Well now, I ain’t no hero, that’s understood
    All the redemption I can offer, girl, is beneath this dirty hood
    With a chance to make it good somehow
    Hey, what else can we do now?
    Except roll down the window and let the wind blow back your hair
    Well, the night’s busting open, these two lanes will take us anywhere
    We got one last chance to make it real
    To trade in these wings on some wheels
    Climb in back, heaven’s waiting on down the tracks

    Oh oh, come take my hand
    We’re riding out tonight to case the promised land
    Oh oh oh oh, Thunder Road
    Oh, Thunder Road, oh, Thunder Road
    Lying out there like a killer in the sun
    Hey, I know it’s late, we can make it if we run
    Oh oh oh oh, Thunder Road
    Sit tight, take hold, Thunder Road

    Well, I got this guitar and I learned how to make it talk
    And my car’s out back if you’re ready to take that long walk
    From your front porch to my front seat
    The door’s open but the ride ain’t free
    And I know you’re lonely for words that I ain’t spoken
    But tonight we’ll be free, all the promises’ll be broken

    There were ghosts in the eyes of all the boys you sent away
    They haunt this dusty beach road in the skeleton frames of burned-out Chevrolets
    They scream your name at night in the street
    Your graduation gown lies in rags at their feet
    And in the lonely cool before dawn
    You hear their engines rolling on
    But when you get to the porch, they’re gone on the wind
    So Mary, climb in
    It’s a town full of losers, I’m pulling out of here to win

  146. jrinNC Says:

    LC write: “Now the patricians in Van Jones resigning have poured into that gap looking for more czars to hoist on the petard, but missing the point that focusing all one’s strategy on czar’s leaves the terror cancer of Obama still spreading fires or Obama Flu which saps operations as the patricians keep running around putting out czar fires, instead of the fire starter.”

    I agree wholeheartedly – I am very curious to know what Beck has up his sleeve. That is why I said earlier that I think Valerie needs to be looked at. The czars are history if we chip at the roots.

  147. sdee Says:

    this is INSANE!

    OBAMA sets off the abdication of American sovereignty to the UN.

    Our sovereignty is being pushed off a cliff .

    Where is the outrage in Washington?

    Can no one stop this man?

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7d0c7a3a-9ca4-11de-ab58-00144feabdc0.html?nclick_check=1

  148. jrinNC Says:

    Rose, I liked the Rosalita song – but I guess during Springsteen’ s hay day I was already a Mom at 26 with another on the way and on my way to Hawaii for 2 and 1/2 years. Didn’t have much time for music in the 70’s other than Ring Around The Rosey – 🙂

  149. sdee Says:

    jrinNC Says:
    focusing all one’s strategy on czar’s leaves the terror cancer of Obama still spreading fires or Obama Flu which saps operations as the patricians keep running around putting out czar fires, instead of the fire starter.
    ************************

    I’ll say! Just look at my last two posts – we are being distracted big time while this usurper literally sells out our nation.

    I do not think I have ever been so furious as tonight.

  150. jrinNC Says:

    sdee Says:
    September 8, 2009 at 11:08 pm – excerpt: “Barack Obama will cement the new co-operative relationship between the US and the United Nations this month when he becomes the first American president to chair its 15-member Security Council.”

    I am telling you guys – read the Left Behind series. This is so deja vu.
    No I am not saying bo is the antichrist – but he definitely is a false prophet.

  151. jrinNC Says:

    I have to tell you I had this deja vu feeling before he was elected by things that were falling into place. Then it re-appeared about Feb and has only gotten stronger.

    sdee furious is not the word. What is it going to take for the American people to wake up. I am tired of being the only one who is screaming at the roof tops in my area.

  152. cynkading Says:

    ——————————————————————————–

    ——————————————————————————–
    BORN IN THE USA?
    Shocker! Judge orders trial on eligibility issue
    Arguments planned Jan. 11 for major Obama challenge

    ——————————————————————————–
    Posted: September 08, 2009
    4:42 pm Eastern

    By Jerome R. Corsi
    © 2009 WorldNetDaily

    Is this the footprint of baby Barack Obama?

    A California judge today tentatively scheduled a trial for Jan. 26, 2010, for a case that challenges Barack Obama’s eligibility to be president based on questions over his qualifications under the requirements of the U.S. Constitution.

    If the case actually goes to arguments before U.S. District Judge David Carter, it will be the first time the merits of the dispute have been argued in open court, according to one of the attorneys working on the issue.

    In a highly anticipated hearing today before Carter, several motions were heard, including a resolution to long-standing questions about whether attorney Orly Taitz properly served notice on the defendants, which she had.

    In a second ruling, Carter ordered that attorney Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation can be added to the case to represent plaintiffs Wiley Drake and Markham Robinson, who had been removed by an earlier court order. Drake, the vice presidential candidate for the American Independent Party, and Robinson, the party’s chairman, also were restored to the case.

    Want to know for certain where Obama was born? Demand the truth by joining the petition campaign to make President Obama reveal his long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate!

    But the judge did not immediately rule on Taitz’ motion to be granted discovery – that is the right to see the president’s still-concealed records. Nor did Carter rule immediately on a motion to dismiss the case, submitted by the U.S. government, following discussion over Taitz’ challenge to the work of a magistrate in the case.

    The judge did comment that if there are legitimate constitutional questions regarding Obama’s eligibility, they need to be addressed and resolved.

    Carter ordered a hearing Oct. 5 on the motion to dismiss and ordered arguments submitted on the issue of discovery.

    If the case survives that challenge, a pretrial hearing has been scheduled for Jan. 11 and the trial for two weeks later.

    The case would be the first time, according to Kreep, that the actual merits of the dispute will have been heard in open court. A multitude of such disputes have been rejected out of hand by various state and federal courts. Even the U.S. Supreme Court repeatedly has rejected urgent appeals to hear the evidence.

    The suit alleges Obama is actually a citizen of Indonesia and “possibly still citizen of Kenya, usurping the position of the president of the United States of America and the commander-in-chief.”

    (Story continues below)

    WND has reported on dozens of legal challenges to Obama’s status as a “natural born citizen.” The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President.”

    Some of the lawsuits question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama’s American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time.

    Other challenges have focused on Obama’s citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.

    Complicating the situation is Obama’s decision to spend sums estimated in the hundreds of thousands of dollars to avoid releasing a state birth certificate that would put to rest the questions.

    WND has reported that among the documentation not yet available for Obama includes his kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption records.

    In the U.S. Justice Department’s motion to dismiss, attorneys didn’t address the concerns directly, but instead focused their efforts on technical procedures, suggesting the matter can’t be decided in court and that the dozens of plaintiffs cannot demonstrate they have been injured by having Obama in the Oval Office.

    See the movie Obama does not want you to see: Own the DVD that probes this unprecedented presidential eligibility mystery.

    “It is clear, from the text of the Constitution, and the relevant statutory law implementing the Constitution’s textual commitments, that challenges to the qualifications of a candidate for president can, in the first instance, be presented to the voting public before the election, and, once the election is over, can be raised as objections as the electoral votes are counted in the Congress,” wrote Assistant U.S. Attorneys Roger West and David DeJute. “Therefore, challenges such as those purportedly raised in this case are committed, under the Constitution, to the electors, and to the Legislative branch.”

    President Obama’s defenders also said they would file a motion seeking to block any discovery of evidence at this point.

    Kreep said said his addition to the case probably will mean additional arguments over the president’s eligibility.

    Among the long list of plaintiffs are former ambassador and presidential candidate Alan Keyes and longshot vice-presidential candidate Gail Lightfoot, both of whom ran in 2008.

    Justice officials say because neither had a mathematical chance at winning, they were not directly harmed by the election of Obama.

    But among the issues that appear to be looming is a claim that Obama’s actual birth certificate from Kenya has emerged.

    As WND reported over the holiday weekend, Lucas Smith, the man who tried to sell an alleged Barack Obama Kenyan birth certificate on eBay, filed court papers insisting – under threat of perjury – that the Obama birth certificate in his possession is the genuine article.

    The document above is alleged by Lucas Smith to be Barack Obama’s original, authentic birth certificate from Kenya.

  153. cynkading Says:

    Sorry for not posting the link. 🙂

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=109242

  154. rosettasister Says:

    jrinNC Says:
    September 8, 2009 at 11:11 pm

    It is strange jr how Bruce was such an integral part of our coming together.

    So when I saw how he was being used to further a leftist agenda, it sickened me.

    You know, if I wanted to, I could get VIP treatment when Bruce comes to town and he does, but I haven’t forgiven him.

    I guess I feel like he sold himself to us as a common man, a man of the people.

    I wish he hadn’t taken sides.

    Bruce, you’re a rich man.

    In 1976, Bill and I kept flitting past one another until we finally met.

    Saw Bruce with my boyfriend (not Bill) at the Mid Hudson Civic Center.

    Bill was there, too.

    He was delivering food to the band.

    Saw Lori Lieberman singing “Killing Me Softly” at the Last Chance.

    That’s when the Chance used to have tables.

    Bill was waiting on tables that night, he might have waited on us.

    Finally I got stood up by a fireman, turns out he was fighting a fire, or so he said.

    But I was pissed and went off by myself to a place that I knew.

    And that’s how I met Bill, he was bartending.

    He invited me back to see the Last Chance Jazz Band, which was televised on local cable back in the day.

    And the rest as they say is history.

    Bill had a 1971 Dodge Charger Gold with a Blacktop. It was the coolest car and he played eight tracks Bruce, of course.

    And we fell in love driving around in his Charger listening to Bruce.

    Heaven on earth!

    I’ve posted about The Chance before.

    https://rosettasister.wordpress.com/2009/07/14/httpwww-thechancetheater-com/

  155. sdee Says:

    jrinNC Says:

    sdee furious is not the word. What is it going to take for the American people to wake up. I am tired of being the only one who is screaming at the roof tops in my area.
    ***************************
    I do know. We each will find our own awakening I suppose. For me it was seeing the pure evil of Obama and Odinga whule Chirstians were hacked and burned. For others it may be Glenn Beck. For many, they will side with evil

    What is clear is that the Obama regime intends to keep dividing us and fueling anger on all sides.

    The townhalls were a start but what else can we do but get in their faces – to just take it to the streets?

  156. jrinNC Says:

    Rose that is a beautiful love story. God knows his plans for us – and I have to say from all you have said, he had no intentions of that fireman showing up. You are a very lucky woman Rose and I am proud to be a part of what you are doing here at this blog.

  157. jrinNC Says:

    sdee says: to just take it to the streets?

    That is what I am so afraid of sdee. You know the little county that I live in on the coast here can very easily be isolated and defend itself by land. I would hate to see it come to that.

  158. rosettasister Says:

    jrinNC Says:
    September 8, 2009 at 11:43 pm

    Rose that is a beautiful love story. God knows his plans for us – and I have to say from all you have said, he had no intentions of that fireman showing up. You are a very lucky woman Rose and I am proud to be a part of what you are doing here at this blog.

    ***

    Thank you, jr, that really means a lot to me.

  159. jrinNC Says:

    The Dollar Collapses
    Carl Gutierrez, 09.08.09, 04:05 PM EDT
    Commodities, stocks and foreign currencies all rise as investors sell dollars.

    http://www.forbes.com/2009/09/08/dollar-euro-imf-markets-currencies-united-nations.html

    “By midday trading one euro traded for $1.45, meanwhile the Dollar Index, which tracks the greenback against a basket of currencies, fell to its lowest level since September of 2008.

    The dollar’s fall follows a United Nations report released Monday calling for a reduced role of the dollar as the world’s primary reserve currency.”

  160. KoolAid_Free_Lexi Says:

    when do we call this treason? when do we call deals w/ big phama bribes? When do we say plunding chrysler bondholder’s in piracy and abuse of power?

    when do we say ENOUGH!!!

    and impeach this America hating, jihad loving, race baiting GOAT ….. eligible or not?

  161. ryansgrammy Says:

    Lexi — I heard Glenn Beck briefly on Fox and Friends this a.m. and he said by the end of the week, he’ll reveal criminal stuff and people are going to go to jail.

    Ten — After your earlier post, I checked out the Svali interview and just spent the last hour or so reading the text. It was very enlightening (no pun intended) and helped me better understand the illuminati as I know a number of you have mentioned them here. Any other suggested reading materials.

  162. ryansgrammy Says:

    I agree Lexi — we need an impeach Obammy campaign!!!!!

  163. KoolAid_Free_Lexi Says:

    Ten
    Svali interview
    It was very enlightening (no pun intended)

    **************

    Grammy, this made me LOL!!! I’m still laughing!

  164. KoolAid_Free_Lexi Says:

    I think every christian should fast and pray on the 24th.

    which prophet was it that sent up little telegraph prayers throughout the day? A so called “minor” prophet, but I can’t remember which.

    I can’t be on my face before the Lord from 4 am til 7 pm. But I can telegraph prayers throughout the day as the Lord reminds me.

  165. Troy Says:

    I got home today around 4:00 and logged on here at 5:00 and finally got caught up on all the posts at 9:30…Sheesh, y’all have been busy here….Thanks for all the updates!!!

  166. Troy Says:

    I didn’t see a post from anyone on Leo’s latest article….Some of you may recall him saying that he had been recieving help from a group students that call themselves, “Undead Revolution”, and that they were working on some important research….Well, Leo post “Part 1” of their work and it’s very telling….Check it out!

    http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/09/08/undead-revolution-historical-attack-on-obama-potus-eligibility-part-1/

  167. sdee Says:

    on WND
    “”A California judge today tentatively scheduled a trial for Jan. 26, 2010, for a case that challenges Barack Obama’s eligibility to be president based on questions over his qualifications under the requirements of the U.S. Constitution. “”

  168. CJ Says:

    Hey Ten: If you are seriously running for office, I’ll let my sister know and encourage her to campaign for you. She lives in Centennial. Wish I was there, but am stuck in the lovely but totally disfunctional state of NY. I do like the idea of being located near a lot of fresh water though. Could be a big plus down the road. I’m getting excited about my trip to DC this weekend. I sure hope that all of us going are safe and have a peaceful, but meaningful rally.

  169. rosettasister Says:

    Good night, good people!

    http://www.4shared.com/file/131242386/dadbe620/01_Thunder_Road.html

    http://www.4shared.com/file/131285334/8f068b7f/02_Tenth_Avenue_Freeze-Out.html

    http://www.4shared.com/file/131285586/86714f2a/03_Night.html

    http://www.4shared.com/file/131285881/10cd49da/04_Backstreets.html

    http://www.4shared.com/file/131286090/6277b65b/05_Born_To_Run.html

    http://www.4shared.com/file/131286305/c19947c4/06_Shes_The_One.html

    http://www.4shared.com/file/131286440/d0d060ca/07_Meeting_Across_The_River.html

    http://www.4shared.com/file/131286814/a3d0a9f2/08_Jungleland.html

    Lyrics:

    http://www.lyricsdepot.com/bruce-springsteen/

  170. sdee Says:

    Paul WIlliams:The routes used by illegal aliens to enter the U.S. have become littered with discarded Muslim prayer blankets, pages from Islamic texts, and Arabic newspapers.

    “”According to border patrol officials, including Sheriff D’Wayne Jenigan of Del Rio, Texas, thousands of Special Interest Aliens (SIAs), with the help of Mara Salvatrucha “coyotes,” have made their way across the Mexican border and into the land of the free and the home of the brave.
    Such SIAs come from countries that pose national security concerns: Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Egypt, Somalia, Yemen, Jordan, Lebanon, and even Iraq.

    The routes used by illegal aliens to enter the U.S. have become littered with discarded Muslim prayer blankets, pages from Islamic texts, and Arabic newspapers. Law enforcement officials have named such passageways “terrorists’ alleys” and a street leading north from the city of Douglas, Arizona, as “Arab Road.”””

    http://littledog2.d2g.com/2009/09/paul-williamsthe-routes-used-by-illegal-aliens-to-enter-the-us-have-become-littered-with-discarded-m.html

  171. sdee Says:

    Atlas Shrugs has more on the Islamist march on Washington. The organizers and imams leading the prayer are indeed radical Islamists.

    They have envisioned this for some time –
    “” “We are going to the White House, so that Islam will be victorious, Allah willing, and the White House will become into the Muslim house.”””

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/09/islam-on-capital-hill-.html

    As their website says: OUR TIME HAS COME

  172. Tenacity Says:

    sdee,
    You still around

  173. Tenacity Says:

    Penrose? I used to hang out at the Table Mountain Ranch. You know the quarry on the north side of 115. Man can I tell you some stories. One couple that managed the ranch used to frequent the bar which is Penrose. She (a petite little fireball) walk into the bar one night and found another little hottie sittin on his lap. She pulled one of the antlers off the wall and swung it right through his cheek. She also caught some poachers baiting some wild cattle on the ranch. They had driven a dually over a fence. She was sitting up on the back side of that quarry watching them. They had walked away from their truck. She pulls up to the truck and empties the clip in a Thompson down the side of their truck while they are ducking for cover. She just drove off…we never saw them back on the ranch again.

    I’ve hunted deer, turkey and bear on that ranch. It’s 12,000 acres, 5,000 deeded and the rest BLM lease. The old cabin we rebuilt down there had a view out the valley of the Sangre De Christos. It was on the old stagecoach run from the Springs to Penrose, north side of the road from Carson. Where is your land?

  174. Tenacity Says:

    CJ,
    My office is in Centennial (near I-25 south of Arapahoe Rd) and I’ve done some land development in that area, custom home lots near Valley Country Club and some in Foxfield. Does your sister live near I-25 or off Parker Road?

    Katie just nominated me as a delegate for the Continental Congress. I can use all the votes I can get. Find out if your sister is going to the 9/12 candlelight vigil at the State Capital. Katie, her hubby, me, my better half and youngest daughter will all be there. She can contact me through my website or you can get my email from Rose. I don’t think I’ve got your email, do I?

  175. Tenacity Says:

    Grammy,
    did you find the Svali interview on the ritual abuse site? If so, see if you can also find the Greenbaum lecture on the same site. That site is like a labyrinth…encyclopedic. Different sources that verify one another. The lecture is by a psychologist/psychiatrist named Hammond that was treating MPD patients like Svali. Absolutely fascinating.

    I found Lame Cherry’s article interesting. Seems he/she/it views Jarrett the same way I do. See my comment above about her being the alpha dog.

  176. Tenacity Says:

    Troy,
    What…no report. Whatcha scavenge or snag? I’m bettin’ you are lookin’ like a brown bunny…or red neck. 😎

  177. sdee Says:

    This day, Sept. 9, in 1776, the second Continental Congress adopted “United States” as our name , replacing “United Colonies.”

    I checked out the Sun Sentinel “this day in history” site.

    Our historic name change however was the second listed event. Check out the top story for yourself…….

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sns-ap-history-2009sep09,0,6236163.story

  178. sdee Says:

    Tenacity Says:
    They had walked away from their truck. She pulls up to the truck and empties the clip in a Thompson down the side of their truck while they are ducking for cover. She just drove off…we never saw them back on the ranch again.

    The old cabin we rebuilt down there had a view out the valley of the Sangre De Christos. It was on the old stagecoach run from the Springs to Penrose, north side of the road from Carson. Where is your land?
    ************************************

    Sounds like my kinda place!

    We have 40 acres due north of Brush Hollow Reservoir, just off of Upper Beaver Creek Road. Upper Beaver Creek Road could be the stage coach run you are talking about. It runs through a small valley and a local guy told us it used to be the main route to Colorado Springs. We have a spot on a ridge with a 360 view. Can see most of the ranges but the gorgeous view is of Sangre De Christos.

  179. jrinNC Says:

    Obama Seeks Game-Changer With Health Speech
    In a high-stakes speech to Congress and the nation, President Obama will press for a government-run insurance option in a proposed overhaul of the health care system

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/09/obama-seeks-game-changer-health-speech/

    “…he wants to expand health care coverage and lower medical costs while signaling to a deeply divided Congress that he’s ready to deal.

    And show the public he’s in control.”
    ********************************************************
    HE’S IN CONTROL – That is what I am so afraid of. I have a high sense of danger this am – maybe it is because of his impending speech on this. I know there have been hints on here that Sep/Nov time frames will possibly be when the crap hits the fan. There is so much happening that something has to give.

    And of course Glenn Beck has eluded to at the end of this week “People Will Go to Jail.”

    God please Have Mercy on this Nation.

  180. jrinNC Says:

    U.S.: Iran Nearing Ability to Build Atomic Bomb
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,548161,00.html

    “Iran is now either very near or in possession already of sufficient low-enriched uranium to produce one nuclear weapon if the decision were made to further enrich it to weapons-grade,” Glyn Davies, Washington’s chief envoy to the International Atomic Energy Agency said. “This ongoing enrichment activity … moves Iran closer to a dangerous and destabilizing possible breakout capacity,” he said.

    The latest agency report says Iran now has, at a minimum, 3,153 pounds of low-enriched uranium hexafluoride, he added.”

  181. sdee Says:

    I am with you JR.

    The urgency

    The deafening silence on the endless phalanx of anti-American actions in Washington.

  182. jrinNC Says:

    Andrew Napolitano

    – FOXNews.com

    – September 08, 2009
    What Can Obama’s Czars Legally Do?

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/09/08/judge-napolitano-czars-obama/

    “If the czars merely advise the president, there is no constitutional impediment. The president can ask their advice, they can give it, and the taxpayers can pay their salaries. If, however, the czars actually do the work that the federal statutes lay out for cabinet secretaries to do (so as to avoid the transparency and accountability requirements), or exercise presidential power in President Obama’s name, that would be unconstitutional. The president cannot assign a czar to do the work of a cabinet secretary or delegate to a czar his own powers without violating the Constitution and federal law. But if the czars are not asked questions under oath, we may never learn just what it is that they do.”

    **************************************************
    No oversight – what is to prevent classified info being divulged to these people???? Nothing – you and I both know that if they are “advising” the president – they have to be “in the know.”

    “The modern czar system actually flourished under former President George W. Bush who persuaded a Republican Congress to authorize the president to share classified information with anyone of his choosing.”

    Darn it Bush, the more I am finding out about you the madder I am getting. WHY HAS IT TAKEN US SO LONG TO WAKE UP???????????

    Darn it Bush

  183. sdee Says:

    jrinNC Says:

    Darn it Bush, the more I am finding out about you the madder I am getting. WHY HAS IT TAKEN US SO LONG TO WAKE UP???????????
    **************************8

    We’ve been conditioned to think this is about Republican vs Democrat, Right vs Left.

    It is really about total government power vs a limited government as our founders intended.

    The balance should be one party trying to drag us to Totalitarianism, the other to Limted or no Federal govenment.

    Instead its like two football teams. They give and take possession of the ball. A few yards up the field, a few yards down. But the reality they are both the same team, putting on a show as they drift to the Statism end of the field.

  184. jrinNC Says:

    QUOTE FROM GLENN BECK:

    “I read the article a couple of times. Van Jones said this was a vicious smear campaign. Van Jones was able to resign, not be fired. And, during his resignation, he placed the blame on others, not himself.

    What Van Jones doesn’t understand is that I didn’t bring down Van Jones; you didn’t bring down Van Jones; Van Jones brought down Van Jones.

    Is it a smear campaign to quote Van Jones’ own words?”

    *******************************************************
    Jones knew that he had been revealed for what he really stood for. It amazes me how these people think that we are still stupid and unknowing. Don’t they realize that like that one townhall protester said, “YOU HAVE AWAKENED A SLEEPING GIANT.”

  185. jrinNC Says:

    sdee says: It is really about total government power vs a limited government as our founders intended.

    Very true. So my thinking now lends me to infiltrate this strong hold with another party.

  186. sdee Says:

    jrinNC Says:

    Very true. So my thinking now lends me to infiltrate this strong hold with another party.
    ************************

    There lies the dilemma. A third party never impacts them.

    I do not think the problem is with the two party system – it should work if they were not one in the same. The Founders seem to have known the eternal conflict would be there – they gave the people the most brilliant charter documents in history to win and preserve liberty.

    I think the problem is the system which the politicians have created to keep themselves in power and the media that goes along with it.

    I think best approach may be to vote them all out, to flush the system. Don’t vote republican or democrat. Vote incumbent or not.

    Once they are out we give OUR REPRESENTATIVES the mandate to bust up the power structure.
    e.g. term limits, repeal the 17th amendment, one-day non electronic voting, revise the Census, representative redistricting, massive cuts to self perpetuating Federal agencies, strict state sovereignty, etc

  187. sdee Says:

    Saral Palin in WSJ on Heathcare. A voice of reason.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203440104574400581157986024.html

  188. jrinNC Says:

    sdee says: e.g. term limits, repeal the 17th amendment, one-day non electronic voting, revise the Census, representative redistricting, massive cuts to self perpetuating Federal agencies, strict state sovereignty, etc.
    **********************************************************
    Forgive me for what I am about to say. I truly want a nation that is cohesive, but we have been infiltrated with ideas that do not support that stance.

    I concur with those sentiments, but you say representative redistricting – I am not for anything that supports electoral college voting – I want 2 members per state period. You and I both know that the past several elections were padded and the electoral votes were the ones that decided who what when and where. I say call a spade a spade, let the chips fall where they may, but based on the voice of “the people.” If it results in the nation being split – well one idea would be to split the nation in half – then you choose which side you want to live on. Bottom line, no one is going to like everything being done, but when you are truly divided I see no other alternative.

  189. Troy Says:

    😀

  190. sdee Says:

    A story for thought. Nearly every hospital in the US and nearly every insurance company here will do anything and everything to save a baby at 22 or 23 weeks – regardless of cost. I know this as my wife is a neonatal nurse who has worked in many hospitals.

    In the UK…………….

    “”Miss Capewell, 23, said doctors refused to even see her son Jayden, who lived for almost two hours without any medical support.””

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1211950/Premature-baby-left-die-doctors-mother-gives-birth-just-days-22-week-care-limit.html

  191. jrinNC Says:

    No one likes things crammed down their throats – which is what is being done. So peace and harmony can exist if we are able to choose a side we most believe in, thus the division I previously mentioned.

    Do I truly want that – NO of course not. But how can we continue to go forward the way things are now – WE CAN”T – Something has to give.

  192. jrinNC Says:

    Hey Troy – we been missing you. 🙂

    Hope you had a relaxing vacation.

  193. rosettasister Says:

    7:58 AM Pacific

    Good morning, sleepyheads!

    Face off: Health care 8:17
    The battle over health care wages on in Washington and on Lou Dobbs Tonight; facing off are Senators Gregg & Sanders.
    Source: CNN | Added September 8, 2009

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/09/09/sens_gregg_sanders_face_off_on_health_care.html

  194. ryansgrammy Says:

    I’m just starting to read this article from CFP on the eligibility issue and thought you might like to read it as well — interesting stuff:

    http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/14547

  195. sdee Says:

    jrinNC Says:

    I concur with those sentiments, but you say representative redistricting – I am not for anything that supports electoral college voting – I want 2 members per state period.
    *******************************

    Getting to technical for me.

    I am sure TEn will set me straight too 🙂

    What I mean is that our districiting for the House and other elections has also been hijacked into a political power game.

    I want a system that apportions seats in a way truly representative of the voters.

    The 17th amendment, electoral college and redistricitng all seem like examples of where the checks and balances that have now been rigged from the inside.

    The way I see it, true majority democracy means 51% of the people can rule over the other 49%, permanently. Our Constitutional Republic was designed to prevent that. I want to get back to it.

  196. jrinNC Says:

    sdee – now you are talking. That is exactly what I want too. But I am only throwing ideas out there. We need to get back to ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, with ONE cohesive Govt period. The checks and balances our founding fathers established have been shoved under the rug. Too many SEPARATE ideas – ONE ACCORD is the name of the game.

  197. rosettasister Says:

    Title: Brit Hume’s Commentary
    Published: Tue, 8 Sep 2009
    Description: Find out why President Obama will have a challenging time before Congress

    http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/m/26226020/brit-hume-s-commentary.htm

  198. jrinNC Says:

    Morning Rose – Hey I have been up for over 5 hours already – 🙂

  199. jrinNC Says:

    bbl – out to do some mowing again before the critters take me over.

  200. sdee Says:

    jrinNC Says:
    We need to get back to ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, with ONE cohesive Govt period.
    ********************

    This too is hitting home for me. Inalienable rights. Those granted by God, not man.

    This is by design. We undermine our entire system once we remove God as the granter of those rights, or by replacing God with a political party who defines them, grants them and defines them.

    The Statists know this.

  201. sdee Says:

    jrinNC Says:
    We need to get back to ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, with ONE cohesive Govt period.
    ********************

    This too is hitting home for me. Inalienable rights. Those granted by God, not man.

    This is by design. We undermine our entire system once we remove God as the granter of those rights, or by replacing God with a political party who defines them, grants them and denies them.

    The Statists know this.

  202. sdee Says:

    outta here for now too..

    carry on Rose!

  203. ryansgrammy Says:

    Some of the info in the article below has been posted in bits and pieces. This brings together info on the Jarrett and communism connection. Gee Obammy sure has lots of ties to the communist party — what a shocker (sarc).

    http://romanticpoet.wordpress.com/2009/09/09/why-was-obamas-brain-valerie-jarrett-so-happy-to-hire-communist-van-jones-was-it-fate-is-she-obamas-handler/

  204. Fernley Girl Says:

    Rose,
    A while ago you wanted to know what the music from the GB Tea Party promo came from, which he remade from the ad made by a teen for his mom’s Tea Party.

    Here’s the music.

  205. ryansgrammy Says:

    From The Obama File (pretty sad but predictable with today’s msm).

    Fighting The Media

    I Googled (News) early this AM — “Judge Carter” Obama eligibility — and received just two returned items — one from World Net Daily and one from Examiner.com.

    Naturally, a citizen’s lawsuit against the Usurper isn’t newsworthy, so it shouldn’t get a mention in ANY mainstream media news outlet — not one — yawn!

    Go ahead, tell me that a potentially career-ending lawsuit against the Resident isn’t news.

  206. ryansgrammy Says:

    Fernley — thanks for the video — the music is very moving and powerful. I emailed the Republican Women of Trussville, Alabama to thank them for the great video. They replied saying that Justin’s video has been viewed by people all across the US and in many other countries. (I guess Justin is the kid.)

  207. ryansgrammy Says:

    Check out the cartoons of the pres on the Obama File about the financial status of all of the gov’t run programs.

    http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaLatest.htm

  208. ryansgrammy Says:

    I apologize if this info from Orly’s site was posted already. I love the US Marines!

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/?p=4224

  209. ryansgrammy Says:

    This you tube on NWO keeps getting removed.

    http://216.221.102.26/blogger/post/Power-Greed-quest-for-New-World-Order-and-destroying-America-see-former-Senior-FBI-official-on-Youtube-video-that-keeps-getting-removed.aspx

  210. Troy Says:

    Posted in comments at Leo’s place….I sure hope that Orly is open to suggestions.
    ********************************************************
    Civis Naturaliter Natus Says:

    September 9, 2009 at 6:47 am
    http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=7194&cpage=1#comment-21874

    Here is says that Attorney Orly is inviting as many amicus briefs as possible, in the action Captain Pamela Barnett et al. vs. Obama et al., which would arguing against the Motion to Dismiss….

    Resident attorneys, here is your chance to show your patriotism….

    Contact:

    http / /www orlytaitzesq.com

    [Ed. I will have to look into the rules in that court for Amicus Briefs, but the pleadings need to be amended or the British birth issue will not be litigated regardless of what Amicus Briefs say or do not say. The Judge can’t amend the pleading, Orly has to do that. His order for scheduling allows for amended complaints. Before I publish my analysis of all this – Judge Carter’s orders and the DOJ motion to dismiss – I am waiting to hear form Orly to see if she is amending the complaint – as I have previously suggested – to plead the British birth issue as a separate count.]

  211. Katie Says:

    Tenacity Says:
    September 9, 2009 at 6:10 am

    Katie just nominated me as a delegate for the Continental Congress. I can use all the votes I can get.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Yes I did! I am humbled to be asked, and proud to do it!

    I plan to vote for Tenacity early and often. You know…the Chicago Way! (sarc)

  212. ryansgrammy Says:

    More comments on Orly’s case — this time in the context of the Bilderberg Group. All of this stuff on NWO would make a great sci-fi book except I’m afraid we can’t call it fiction.

    http://216.221.102.26/blogger/post/Tuesday-Sept-8th-A-day-of-reflection-for-the-Constitution-and-Americas-resilience-against-Globalist-Billionaires-trying-to-control-her.aspx

  213. Troy Says:

    Here is a good article.
    *******************
    Forming the ‘Leave Me Alone’ Party
    by Mike Baron

    “Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zones. That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage. Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed.” –Michelle Obama

    There is a right not specifically spelled out in the Bill of Rights but implicit in every restriction on the federal government: the right to be left alone. Our nation was founded by individuals seeking relief from overbearing governments and religions. Rugged individualism isn’t merely a conceit of John Wayne movies. It has been and will continue to be a way of life for Americans who believe this nation was founded on the rights of the individual. Not the rights of government.
    Yet today we are saddled with the most overbearing, intrusive government in American history, a gang of socialist ideologues who seek to exercise control over every facet of human existence including our food, the education of our children, and our exercise habits.

    More here:
    http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/mbaron/2009/09/09/forming-the-leave-me-alone-party/

  214. ryansgrammy Says:

    Katie — still did not receive your email???? Don’t know what’s up with that! Did you respond to my earlier email or send a new one?

  215. cynkading Says:

    Morning glories!!
    I copied and pasted some information that I received from an email I just received from a very reliable source regarding the Prez’s revised health care bill. The message in the parentheses is a friend of mine and the message she received is after that. 😦

    (This is from my sister who personally knows Dr Stovall……from the horses mouth…..she called my nephew at his pharmacy to let him know…plain ‘ole scary!)

    Dr. Stephanie Howard Stovall (Ar. Children’s Hospital) just called Lee Pharmacy to say that the doctors there today got to look at the “health care” bill and this is straight from the bill: there will be NO stints, bypass surgeries, bypass surgery, pace-makers done on ANY one 55 or older. We better pray and wake up!! THAT’S ONE GOOD WAY TO GET RID OF THEIR RESISTANCE—–SOUNDS LIKE THE USSR, DOESN’T IT.

  216. cynkading Says:

    Troy
    Welcome back!

  217. sisterrosetta Says:

    having trouble posting as RS

    Let’s see if SR works

  218. rosettasister Says:

    Let’s try that again!

  219. rosettasister Says:

    Fernley Girl, I’ve been captivated by this music since you posted vid above.

    Very strange, the same piece of music seems to have different titles.

    I was able to find two tracks from Requiem For A Dream Soundtrack and also two others.

    http://www.4shared.com/file/131427137/236b3d9c/16_Fall_-_Cleaning_Apartment.html

    http://www.4shared.com/file/131427276/32467657/32_Winter_-_Lux_Aeterna.html

    http://www.4shared.com/file/131427364/c4914c0d/10_Requiem_For_A_Tower.html

    http://www.4shared.com/file/131427515/f85a96ee/05_Requiem_For_A_Tower.html

    And I also found this:

    http://www.amazon.com/Requiem-For-A-Tower-Dream/dp/B002B4IMM6/ref=sr_shvl_album_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1252513101&sr=301-1

    I knew the music sounded familiar when I first heard on GB, but I’m still unclear on its origins.

    Thanks, I’ve added to my collection.

  220. rosettasister Says:

    Here’s another vid using same music:

    Iranian Protests in Pictures (Music: “Requiem for a Tower” by Escala) – FREE IRAN – IRAN AZAD

  221. Fernley Girl Says:

    Already had this copied, so I will post this first. Then a link for Rose about the music.

    Just called my Senators’ offices about the Cass Sunstein confirmation. ( Reid and Ensign)
    Reid’s office said they didn’t know if confirmation hearings would happpen today or not, and that Reid had not told the clerk answering my call what his position on Sunstein is. Like I don’t know.
    Ensign’s office said up to 30 hours of debate is allowed, so the vote may not take place today. She also said Ensign had not told her what his position was on Sunstein is. F**ker. The only reason I voted for him was because he’s an “R”, and I figured he’d cancel out Reid’s vote.

  222. Troy Says:

    Thanks cynkading!

  223. Fernley Girl Says:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Requiem_for_a_Dream_%28soundtrack%29

  224. Fernley Girl Says:

    And,

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clint_Mansell

  225. cynkading Says:

    I suspect that the Dems are just gonna cram this bill through regardless of what the people want. I think that blaming the Repubs for not offering anything constructive to this bill is just a bunch of bull. I am trying real hard not to hate anyone but I do struggle with my feelings towards Pelosi. She is puts me in mind of Jezebel, King Ahab’s evil wife.

    We all know that our voices have been ignored for quite sometime now. Obama does not care what we think nor does he care about what we want. I will say that one of his weaknesses that I have observed is he does not like criticism of any kind and feels he has to be in control of everything. He is very vain and thinks he is untouchable.

    I will not watch his speech, I will be in church tonight praying that this bill will not go through. I want reform too but not this kind of reform.

  226. rosettasister Says:

    Thanks again Fernley Girl!

  227. Fernley Girl Says:

    YW, Rose.

    Everyone, please call your Senators and TELL them not to vote for Sunstein.

  228. ryansgrammy Says:

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/57849-congressman-wants-all-czars-to-testify

    above was posted on Drudge

  229. rosettasister Says:

    okay, I get it now!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Requiem_for_a_Tower

    A version of the track was re-orchestrated with a choir and full orchestra for The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers trailer.[1] The piece, named “Requiem for a Tower”, was made exclusively for the trailer and was not featured in either Requiem for a Dream or the The Lord of the Rings film trilogy. It was arranged by Simone Benyacar, Dan Nielsen, and Veigar Margeirsson. Although never intended for release, after considerable demand by fans this piece was made available as part of the Requiem for a Tower album release from Corner Stone Cues.[2]

  230. ryansgrammy Says:

    More acorn “nuts” in trouble for voter fraud

    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/breaking-news/story/1224631.html

  231. ryansgrammy Says:

    Sounds like the “mic” wasn’t the only thing that was hot. 😀

    http://www.breitbart.tv/ca-assemblyman-caught-on-hot-mic-offering-lewd-details-of-affair-with-lobbyist/

  232. ryansgrammy Says:

    So much for his talk of bipartisan work on HCR.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/57859-boehner-gop-leaders-havent-met-obama-for-health-talks-since-april

  233. Troy Says:

    11 accused of faking voter registration cards in Miami-Dade
    Related Content

    By JENNIFER LEBOVICH
    jlebovich@MiamiHerald.com

    Eleven people hired to register potential voters in Miami-Dade County before last year’s presidential election were being sought Wednesday for falsifying hundreds of voter registration cards.

    The Miami-Dade State Attorney’s Office issued arrest warrants for each of the 11 suspects, all of whom worked for the local chapter of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, (ACORN).

    By early Wednesday morning, six were in custody, authorities said.

    continued here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/breaking-news/story/1224631.html

  234. ryansgrammy Says:

    Rose — Is there a way to hear the music through the wikipedia link you posted above??? I tried but couldn’t get here. Tks.

  235. rosettasister Says:

    ryansgrammy Says:
    September 9, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    I don’t think so, grammy, but you can listen here to two versions of same arrangement.

    http://www.4shared.com/file/131427364/c4914c0d/10_Requiem_For_A_Tower.html

    http://www.4shared.com/file/131427515/f85a96ee/05_Requiem_For_A_Tower.html

  236. cynkading Says:

    Fernley,
    I just called my senators but their people did not have any info on where the senators stood on Susnstein. They are voting on the Military Appropriations bill S1390 that does have an amendment S Amdmt. 1511 that has to do with Hate Crimes bill this needs to be addressed as well.

  237. Fernley Girl Says:

    Here’s what Cass Sunstein says,

    The government might impose “must carry” rules on highly partisan Websites, designed to ensure that viewers learn about sites containing opposing views. This policy would be designed to make it less likely for people to simply hear echoes of their own voices. Of course, many people would not click on the icons of sites whose views seem objectionable; but some people would, and in that sense the system would not operate so differently from general interest intermediaries and public forums. Here too the ideal situation would be voluntary action. But if this proves impossible, it is worth considering regulatory alternatives.

    The quote is from the last page of an aricle he wrote here:

    http://www.littlemag.com/mar-apr01/cass11.html

  238. ryansgrammy Says:

    Rose — thanks

    Just viewed the video from Iran you posted. It is so sad that these people are being tortured and killed in their quest for freedom. At least with technology, they have a voice and their plight can be revealed (for all the good its done them with this WH).

  239. Troy Says:

    Another Dumbass!….I hope his wife hangs him by his scrotum….Needless to say, I don’t have any sympathy for men or women that can’t manage the simplest thing like keeping their sexual behavior out of their professional activities…WTF???….It’s really not that difficult…You just simply conduct yourself like a real professional adult instead of like an asshole….Bailiff, whack his pee pee!!!!

  240. ryansgrammy Says:

    Troy Says:

    Bailiff, whack his pee pee!!!!

    Troy — we missed you here at Roses. Hope you caught lots of fish. 🙂

  241. rosettasister Says:

    We missed you, Troy!

  242. rosettasister Says:

    Quite a spirited Freeper discussion

    Shocker! Judge orders trial on eligibility issue

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2334872/posts?q=1&;page=669#669

  243. Katie Says:

    ryansgrammy Says:
    September 9, 2009 at 5:00 pm

    Katie — still did not receive your email???? Don’t know what’s up with that! Did you respond to my earlier email or send a new one?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    ryansgrammy – I resent the reply to your email. If you still have mine, try sending me a message and I’ll see if I can get the reply to go through.

    It’s obama’s fault.

  244. Katie Says:

    Whack his pee-pee? Troy, are you talkin’ about Reggie and Barry again??

  245. Troy Says:

    ACORN’S Latest Swindle: 63% Voter Registration Fraud

    ACORN is a racketeering organization whose specialty is sedition – overthrowing the good governance of the is great nation. Why hasn’t it been stripped and rendered illegal like the cosa nostra. What’s the difference except that the mafia was patriotic?

    Van sends the latest on ACORN. Of 1400 registration cards, 888 were fraudulent. That’s 63% by his calculation. Not sure why the State Attorney is kissing their ass, though. Maybe he wants their votes. You can’t tell me they haven’t changed the election results of many an election. Ahmadinejad took a poage from the ACORN playbook.

    Meanwhile, the ACORN alumni in the White House has billions earmarked for these criminals. Nice.

    read more here: http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/09/acorns-latest-swindle-63-voter-registration-fraud.html

  246. Troy Says:

    ryansgrammy Says:

    September 9, 2009 at 6:29 pm
    Troy Says:

    Bailiff, whack his pee pee!!!!

    Troy — we missed you here at Roses. Hope you caught lots of fish.
    *******************************************************
    Thanks y’all!!!…I always catch fish. 😀

  247. rosettasister Says:

    BTW, Obama’s approval today at Rasmussen 50 — 50

  248. Troy Says:

    “Bailiff, whack his pee pee!!!!”
    *************************
    Does anyone remember where that comes from?….It is from one of Cheech & Chong’s old skits. 🙂

  249. ryansgrammy Says:

    Bills to keep an eye on!!

    http://216.221.102.26/blogger/post/Bills-in-CongressSenate-that-threaten-your-freedom.aspx

  250. rosettasister Says:

    Sen. Gregg: Reconciliation Is “Bastardization Of The Legislative Process”

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/09/09/sen_gregg_reconciliation_is_bastardization_of_the_legislative_process.html

  251. Katie Says:

    A plea for the Marines…

    Several decades ago, someone I know VERY well graduated from Marine Corp bootcamp. Someone else I know VERY well couldn’t afford a ticket to be there for her husband-to-be’s very special moment. None is his family could, either. It is one of my few regrets in my life and to this day still brings tears to my eyes that I wasn’t there for him.

    From another Marine, I have learned about this organization that helps ensure that no Marine has to be alone on that special occasion. If it’s something that moves you, please look at this site and share the info. with others.

    Perhaps together, we can bring joy to more military personnel and families. Thank you.

    http://www.usmcgrad.org

  252. Troy Says:

  253. rosettasister Says:

    Rescuing Reform

    Suggestions for President Obama’s speech to Congress on health care

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/08/AR2009090803060.html?hpid%3Dopinionsbox1&sub=AR

    The “public option”

    … refers to a proposal for the government essentially to establish its own insurance company to compete with private firms.

    If, as many proponents maintain, this government entity would compete on a level playing field — not using its public status to underprice the competition — then its presence would be mostly irrelevant.

    If it would underprice, it would drive private firms out of business, leaving the United States with a British-style national health service, which most Americans say they do not want.

    Liberals such as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi say they would reject reform — including the decades-old dream of universal coverage — if it does not include a public option.

    We hope Mr. Obama shows more sense.

  254. Troy Says:

  255. rosettasister Says:

    New York Times London bureau chief John Burns on Iraq & Afghanistan

    Listen:

    [audio src="http://ht.salemweb.net/townhall/audio/mp3/0a15583e-0c51-4b6f-8597-154e7fe2e1d6.mp3" /]

    Transcript:

    http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/talkradio/transcripts/Transcript.aspx?ContentGuid=90d081ab-cef2-4155-baa8-ad8f6f2a9901

    EXCERPT

    HH: But do you see the Petraeus strategy, the COIN strategy, working there in such a way as you could actually get 75-80% of the country

    under a stable, central government, if only loosely so from Kabul? Or is it just going to be an endless series of tribal confrontations?

    JB: Well, you know, curiously, there’s some encouragement to be taken in all of this from what happened during the aftermath of the Soviet

    occupation of Afghanistan, where as you know, they were driven back north over the Hindu Kush in humiliation in 1989 by the Mujahideen,

    backed by the United States. But the Mujahideen in the aftermath of that were not able to take control until the United States and the Soviet

    Union decided to no longer arm their, the sides that they were backing in Afghanistan. And the result was the rise of the Taliban. So what I’m

    trying to say is that the Taliban prevailing is not at all a foregone conclusion. We know that there is a center in Afghanistan, a center that

    wishes to resist this, many ordinary people who wish to resist this, and that with the right kind of military policy, the right numbers of troops,

    and a little bit of luck, which as Napoleon always said was what he wanted in his generals more than anything else, General Petraeus

    seems to be a general who has not only skill, but luck, that this could, the corner could be turned. The odds are against it, but it could happen.

    HH: What do you say to correspondents like George Will, Thomas Friedman? These are not standard, isolationist leftists who are opposed

    to American force anywhere. They’re people who are, you know, disposed to believe in force. When they say it’s time to get out, what

    would your caution to them be, if any?

    JB: Well, my first thought is that it’s politically unrealizable. The President of the United States, President Obama, who’s showing himself

    to be very deft and fast-footed in many respects, it seems to me has made a very clear commitment in Afghanistan, as has Prime Minister

    Brown in Britain very recently, recommitted himself to seeing this thing through. It’s almost impossible for me to believe that they would decide

    to quit and abandon, and it’s also, I think we have to think about what the consequences of that would be. I’ve just been watching, as I’m sure

    many of your listeners have, reruns of the events of 9/11, the documentary 102 Minutes was run here in Britain last night as the eight

    anniversary approaches. That, we know where that came from. We know what the incubator of 9/11 was. And it seems to me it’s going to

    be very hard on the one hand to say to the American public that we’ve got to stay the course in Afghanistan, but on the other hand, anybody

    who decides to pull out is going to have to answer for the dire possibilities that Afghanistan could once again become a safe haven, a

    sanctuary for the people who pulled off 9/11.

  256. rosettasister Says:

    You might have heard Senator Gregg mention that he is a sponsor of Wyden – Bennett.

    Apparently, Jim Pethokoukis is also a fan.

    Obama needs a new healthcare plan, not a new speech

    http://blogs.reuters.com/james-pethokoukis/2009/09/09/obama-needs-a-new-healthcare-plan-not-a-new-speech/

    Maybe what’s going on here isn’t mild political insanity but rather quirky irrationality identified by behavioral economists as “anchoring.” Once people anchor to an idea or a belief, that becomes the metric by which they analyze competing ideas or beliefs.

    Indeed, the president and many congressional Democrats seems to be anchoring to existing outlines for reform and ignoring competing ideas that could actually gain broader political support and work more efficiently.

    Take the 166-page Healthy Americans Act sponsored by two senators, Oregon Democrat Ron Wyden and Utah Republican Robert Bennett. It reads as if it were designed by a bunch of centrist economists rather than by lobbyists representing unions, activist groups and healthcare companies.

    It would do a lot of the stuff many Republicans and Democrats agree on, such as mandating everyone buy insurance and requiring insurance companies cover everyone.

    But it would also scrap America’s weird employer-based healthcare system by giving individuals a big tax deduction so they could buy their own insurance from private companies.

    Of course, many conservatives would hate the increase in regulations and government involvement, while liberals would loathe the absence of a public option that could one day lead to a single-payer system.

    But it seems like a plan that Americans could understand intellectually and accept ideologically. It seems like the kind of plan that Americans would expect from the centrist president they thought they voted for.

    Time for that guy to let go of the anchor and try a new plan. If speech No. 122 goes as well as the previous 121 in capturing moderate Democrats and independent voters, Obama may have no other choice.

  257. rosettasister Says:

    http://wyden.senate.gov/issues/Legislation/Healthy_Americans_Act.cfm

  258. Troy Says:

    No one here has ever seen an opinion from me in regards to universal healthcare / Obamacare, because I have never given one….You know what they say about opinions, but here I go anyway.

    If any healthcare proposal involves one single iota of federal government, then I want it to fall flat on it’s face….Medicare = usurpation mistake, Medicaid = usurpation mistake and both are indicative of the incremental overreaching by the federal gov…Any federal proposal, whatsoever, will be more incrementalism that will lead to further ursurpation of powers by the fed…It all must stop if we are to remain a free people.

    Medicare, Medicaid, and healthcare reform, all, belong within the jurisdiction and responsibility of the individual sovereign 50 states….Each state is more than capable of taking care of their own….It is not the business of the Fedzilla to stick their filthy usurping noses into the business of the 50 states.

    Some sort of healthcare for all in need, heck yeah, but on a state level.

  259. rosettasister Says:

    Sen. Judd Gregg issued the following statement in preparation for President Obama’s speech before a Joint Session of Congress:

    GREGG: RESET THE HEALTH CARE DEBATE

    http://www.redhampshire.com/gregg-reset-the-health-care-debate/

    U.S. Senator Judd Gregg (R-NH) today issued the following statement in advance of the President’s address tonight to a joint session of Congress on health care reform.

    Senator Gregg stated,

    “Tonight, the President has a chance to press the reset button on the ongoing health care reform efforts taking place in Congress.

    We desperately need to refocus this effort because the measures produced so far by Committees in the House and the Senate dramatically increase the size of the federal government by adding trillions of dollars of new spending and putting in place a government-run public plan that would undermine the high-quality care provided by a private health care system.

    Further, these bills have been advanced on a purely partisan basis.

    Under these Democratic proposals, millions of Americans would lose their present health coverage and essentially would be forced into a public plan that would ultimately put a federal bureaucrat between patients and their doctors and would lead to price controls, delays and most likely rationing of health care.

    It is no surprise that so many Americans have expressed strong concerns about how this Congress has handled health reform.

    “Partisan, big-government measures to mend our health care system are clearly not the fix.

    They do not achieve the President’s own goals of improving quality, reducing health care spending, or allowing people who like the insurance they have now to keep it.

    The President should take the opportunity tonight to reject these proposals and instead should endorse the bipartisan efforts here in the Senate to find a better way to control the cost of health care while expanding coverage to all Americans, especially low income people who are uninsured.

    We can achieve this goal, and initiatives such as the one led by Senators Baucus and Grassley on the Senate Finance Committee and the bipartisan Wyden-Bennett bill show great potential for getting us there.

    It is time for the President to embrace a new course represented by these types of constructive bipartisan initiatives that will provide insurance for all Americans in a fiscally responsible manner, while not undermining the health coverage that most American currently have and prefer.”

  260. rosettasister Says:

    http://twitter.com/jimpethokoukis

    sounds like the blue dogs are cooking up a secret deal with GOP

  261. rosettasister Says:

  262. rosettasister Says:

    Lefty economist Robert Reich not a fan of Snowe’s trigger

    http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=09&year=2009&base_name=the_snowe_job_and_why_a_trigge

    Right now, the public option is very much alive because so many Democrats care deeply about it, with good reason. But put it off for years, and assign it to the lawyers and lobbyists I just mentioned, and you can kiss it goodbye for ever.

    If the idea is to have a public option waiting in the wings in case private insurers blow it, why wait for it at all? If it gets lower costs and wider coverage, it should be included right from the start.

    What worries me isn’t just that the mainstream media are calling Snowe’s trigger “centrist,” but that the White House might see it as an easy out. “I continue to believe that a public option within that basket of insurance choices would help improve quality and bring down costs,” the president said Monday. Fine. But he hasn’t yet said the public option is essential. He hasn’t threatened to veto a bill lacking it. There’s even reason to believe the White House has quietly encouraged Olympia Snowe to pursue her “trigger.”

    The best way to give Blue Dogs cover is for the president to explain clearly and boldly why the public option is essential to health care reform, and why he’s ready to veto any bill that doesn’t include it. That’s also the only way to give the nation a good chance of getting true health care reform. Hopefully, that’s what he’ll do Wednesday evening.

    Otherwise, we get a trigger to nowhere.

  263. Troy Says:

    Leo posted more new revealing research from the “Undead Revolution”

    It’s funny how every single new piece of historical documentation that is uncovered is all bad news for Obama’s eligibility and his supporters have not been able to come up with anything that supports the usurper.
    Leo must find his way back into court again…His case now has a mountain of evidence and it is still growing…There is still more to come.

    http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/09/09/us-government-ruling-from-1885-by-secretary-of-state-thomas-bayard-proves-chester-arthurs-british-birth-was-kept-from-public/#respond

    BTW Rose, in an earlier thread you stated that its just not worth it to pursue Obama’s ineligibility and that we should instead, focus on opposing his bad policies for the next four years….Booooo!!!!!!!!!

    There is absolutely no reason in the world for us to not focus on both….Its not a matter of one or the other….Most people can multitask and both issues are worthwhile. 🙂

  264. rosettasister Says:

    Robert Reich, like many lefties, refuses to see the writing on the wall, IMO.

    I recently heard him being interviewed on BBC without an opposing viewpoint.

    Geez Louise, is the BBC that dumb?!

    Robert Reich is a frequent guest on Larry Kudlow, but Mr. Kudlow usually includes another guest to counter.

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1242312617&play=1

  265. rosettasister Says:

    BTW Rose, in an earlier thread you stated that its just not worth it to pursue Obama’s ineligibility and that we should instead, focus on opposing his bad policies for the next four years….Booooo!!!!!!!!!

    (Well, Troy, I’ve been saying pretty much the same thing since Election Night 2008. But I have qualified that in the past with “Keep the pressure on!” But not because I believed the truth would ever see the light of day.)

    There is absolutely no reason in the world for us to not focus on both….Its not a matter of one or the other….Most people can multitask and both issues are worthwhile. 🙂

    (True that. Goferit!)

    (I would almost feel sorry for Obama if some of his policies weren’t so dangerous. Generally speaking I want my president to be successful, but I just cannot feel that way, unless he changes his stripes. I know most of you don’t believe that will ever happen.)

    What if tomorrow you woke up in some bizarro parallel world where Obama agreed with you on every issue that was important to you? Would you still go after his ineligibility?

    I am satisfied to make sure this never happens again, which is why I support those efforts by House members.

    I will say this, I don’t believe our economic well-being will improve until Obama does move closer to the center and gives us some room to breathe.

    That’s just my intuitiveness speaking, not very scientific!

  266. Fernley Girl Says:

    Well, that was quick. Duvall quits.

    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9AK0VFG4&show_article=1&catnum=1

  267. rosettasister Says:

    bbl

  268. Fernley Girl Says:

    Sunstein confirmed with 63 for confirmation. THIS SUCKS.

  269. Fernley Girl Says:

    Sorry, voted for cloture, not confirmed yet.

  270. Fernley Girl Says:

    Judge Napolitano (on Beck) says Sunstein could be on the short list for Supreme Court.

  271. jrinNC Says:

    NOt good Fernley – if guys like Sunstein have their way talk radio will be under full-fledged attack – good by Beck, Rush not to mention Patriots Heart Network and a cast of others.

  272. Tenacity Says:

    sdee et al,
    in essence, incumbent or not is correct, but the more accurate view is Stateman vs. Politicians. Voting for JUST statesmen would not leave more than a hand full of incumbents in office. It would also not put many career nominees in. Judge them by their actions, not just their words. We need fresh blood to rise up out of the citizenry.

  273. Troy Says:

  274. Troy Says:

    September 09, 2009
    Go,Hillary!,Go!
    Game changer if it happens..

    The Weekly Standard

    Michael Goldfarb reports : The boss hears from two sources that Hillary Clinton is considering stepping down as Secretary of State this fall in order to run for Governor of New York.
    Could Barry have a challenger in 2012.
    If so Team Clinton will play to win this time.

    http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/

  275. Troy Says:

    You all need to check out the video that I just posted above.

  276. Fernley Girl Says:

    On the news today, Stanford running clinical trials of vaccine with an adjuvant…didn’t say which one. I am especially concerned about the warning for pregnant women to get vaccinated. Who knows what will happen to the baby?

    HOW THE HELL ARE WE SUPPOSED TO KEEP UP WITH ALL THIS CRAP?

    Sometimes I wish I could be an ostrich……….

  277. ryansgrammy Says:

    Fernley — If you find a big enough hole, I’ll join you! 🙂 I agree with the concern for pregnant women — I wasn’t even allowed to take an aspirin when I was pregnant — God only knows what these shots could do to the unborn child. But then, these people have already shown us what they think of the unborn child.

  278. Katie Says:

    rosettasister Says:
    September 9, 2009 at 8:24 pm

    What if tomorrow you woke up in some bizarro parallel world where Obama agreed with you on every issue that was important to you? Would you still go after his ineligibility?

    In a word – YES!

    If the basic constitutional requirement is a lie, there can be no trust on ANYTHING after that.

  279. Katie Says:

    I’m torn on what to do during tonight’s speech. Clearly I won’t be watching or listening…I’ve trained my TV to switch to HGTV when “it” speaks.

    So, it’s either clean toilets, or play speech bingo. If you need a laugh, follow along on live blogging on Michelle Malkin’s site. The people that comment on her site are pretty sharp and witty.

    http://michellemalkin.com/2009/09/09/obama-speech-tailgate-party-bohica-prep/

  280. Troy Says:

  281. Fernley Girl Says:

    Ladies, get your hankies ready. From OC:

    Something a little Different

    New post by Agent 88 on Today, 15:29
    This is a little different but I wonder just how many of our elected officials could apply this in what they are doing now. Are they only thinking of themselves or are they thinking of the people who voted them in. If you like this forward it to you elected officials and ask the same thing.

    Are you only thinking of yourself?

    Subject: Two Choices
    What would you do?….you make the choice. Don’t look for a punch line, there isn’t one. Read it anyway. My question is: Would you have made the same choice?

    At a fund raising dinner for a school that serves children with learning disabilities, the father of one of the students delivered a speech that would never be forgotten by all who attended. After extolling the school and its
    dedicated staff, he offered a question:
    “When not interfered with by outside influences, everything nature does, is done with perfection.
    Yet my son, Shay, cannot learn things as other children do.
    He cannot understand things as other children do.
    Where is the natural order of things in my son?”

    The audience was stilled by the query.

    The father continued. “I believe that when a child like Shay, who was mentally and physically disabled comes into the world, an opportunity to realize true human nature presents itself, and it comes in the way other people treat that child.”

    Then he told the following story:

    Shay and I had walked past a park where some boys Shay knew were playing baseball.
    Shay asked, “Do you think they’ll let me play?”
    I knew that most of the boys would not want someone like Shay on their team, but as a father I also understood that if my son were allowed to play, it would give him a much-needed sense of belonging and some confidence to be accepted by others in spite of his handicaps.

    I approached one of the boys on the field and asked (not expecting much) if Shay could play.
    The boy looked around for guidance and said, “We’re losing by six runs and the game is in the eighth inning.
    I guess he can be on our team and we’ll try to put him in to bat in the ninth inning.”

    Shay struggled over to the team’s bench and, with a broad smile, put on a team shirt.
    I watched with a small tear in my eye and warmth in my heart.
    The boys saw my joy at my son being accepted.
    In the bottom of the eighth inning, Shay’s team scored a few runs but was still behind by three.
    In the top of the ninth inning, Shay put on a glove and played in the right field. Even though no hits came his way, he was obviously ecstatic just to be in the game and on the field, grinning from ear to ear as I waved to him from the stands.
    In the bottom of the ninth inning, Shay’s team scored again.
    Now, with two outs and the bases loaded, the potential winning run was on base and Shay was scheduled to be next at bat.

    At this juncture, do they let Shay bat and give away their chance to win the game?
    Surprisingly, Shay was given the bat. Everyone knew that a hit was all but impossible because Shay didn’t even know how to hold the bat properly, much less connect with the ball.

    However, as Shay stepped up to the
    plate, the pitcher, recognizing that the other team was putting winning aside for this moment in Shay’s life, moved in a few steps to lob the ball in softly so Shay could at least make contact.
    The first pitch came and Shay swung clumsily and missed.
    The pitcher again took a few steps forward to toss the ball softly towards Shay.
    As the pitch came in, Shay swung at the ball and hit a slow ground ball right back to the pitcher.

    The game would now be over.
    The pitcher picked up the soft grounder and could have easily thrown the ball to the first baseman.
    Shay would have been out and that would have been the end of the game.

    Instead, the pitcher threw the ball right over the first baseman’s head, out of reach of all team mates.
    Everyone from the stands and both teams started yelling, “Shay, run to first!
    Run to first!”
    Never in his life had Shay ever run that far, but he made it to first base.
    He scampered down the baseline, wide-eyed and startled.

    Everyone yelled, “Run to second, run to second!”
    Catching his breath, Shay awkwardly ran towards second, gleaming and struggling to make it to the base.
    By the time Shay rounded towards second base, the right fielder had the ball … the smallest guy on their team who now had his first chance to be the hero for his team.
    He could have thrown the ball to the second-baseman for the tag, but he understood the pitcher’s intentions so he, too, intentionally threw the ball high and far over the third-baseman’s head.
    Shay ran toward third base deliriously as the runners ahead of him circled the bases toward home.

    All were screaming, “Shay, Shay, Shay, all the Way Shay”

    Shay reached third base because the opposing shortstop ran to help him by turning him in the direction of third base, and shouted, “Run to third!
    Shay, run to third!”

    As Shay round ed third, the boys from both teams, and the spectators, were on their feet screaming, “Shay, run home! Run home!”
    Shay ran to home, stepped on the plate, and was cheered as the hero who hit the grand slam and won the game for his team

    “That day”, said the father softly with tears now rolling down his face, “the boys from both teams helped bring a piece of true love and humanity into this world”.

    Shay didn’t make it to another summer. He died that winter, having never forgotten being the hero and making me so happy, and coming home and seeing his Mother tearfully embrace her little hero of the day!

    AND NOW A LITTLE FOOT NOTE TO THIS STORY:
    We all send thousands of jokes through the e-mail without a second thought, but when it comes to sending messages about life choices, people hesitate.
    The crude, vulgar, and often obscene pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion about decency is too often suppressed in our schools and workplaces.

    If you’re thinking about forwarding this message, chances are that you’re probably sorting out the people in your address book who aren’t the “appropriate” ones to receive this type of message Well, the person who sent you this believes that we all can make a difference.
    We all have thousands of opportunities every single day to help realize the “natural order of things.”
    So many seemingly trivial interactions between two people present us with a choice:
    ]Do we pass along a little spark of love and humanity or do we pass up those opportunities and leave the world a little bit colder in the process?

    A wise man once said every society is judged by how it treats it’s least fortunate amongst them.

    You now have two choices:
    1. Delete
    2. Forward

    May your day be a Shay Day.

  282. KoolAid_Free_Lexi Says:

    Hey gang,

    My son’s children’s g-grandma called him an a** hole for keeping the kids home from school Tuesday.

    It kinda ticked me off.

    I told him tell her that I said that I’m Momma a** hole and we come from a long line of a** holes! Get use to it!

    But instead he said ….. It’s hard doing the research. It’s easy just to go along w/ everyone else.

    Glad he didn’t take my advise (this time). 🙂

  283. rosettasister Says:

    I believe you can watch Obama live here:

    http://interactive.foxnews.com/livestream/live.html?chanId=4

  284. rosettasister Says:

    Cato Health Care Experts Live-Blogging Obama’s Address

    http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/09/08/cato-health-care-experts-live-blogging-obamas-address/

  285. Troy Says:

    rosettasister Says:

    September 10, 2009 at 12:07 am
    I believe you can watch Obama live here:
    **********************************
    Y’all let me know when it’s safe to unmuted my television, as I’m not going listen to the jackass flap his lips.

  286. igaveup Says:

    Troy

    I’m not listening to him either. I will wait to read it here.

  287. Fernley Girl Says:

    I’m with you Troy. Listening to music, making a pie, and dancing around the house. O makes me physically ill, and brings out a knee-jerk reaction to throw stuff at the boob tube.

  288. Troy Says:

    I will wait to read it here.
    *************
    Ditto

  289. Troy Says:

    Fernley Girl Says:

    September 10, 2009 at 12:31 am
    I’m with you Troy. Listening to music, making a pie, and dancing around the house. O makes me physically ill, and brings out a knee-jerk reaction to throw stuff at the boob tube.
    *********************************
    Hehehe…Roger that!!! 😉

  290. ryansgrammy Says:

    Here’s something to watch — laughter is always the best medicine!!

  291. rosettasister Says:

    “So don’t pay attention to those scary stories about how your benefits will be cut – especially since some of the same folks who are spreading these tall tales have fought against Medicare in the past, and just this year supported a budget that would have essentially turned Medicare into a privatized voucher program. That will never happen on my watch. I will protect Medicare.”

    Privatize Medicare, sounds good to me!

    Too bad Obama’s against it.

  292. ryansgrammy Says:

    Here’s another —

  293. Troy Says:

    rosettasister Says:

    September 10, 2009 at 12:54 am
    “So don’t pay attention to those scary stories about how your benefits will be cut – especially since some of the same folks who are spreading these tall tales have fought against Medicare in the past, and just this year supported a budget that would have essentially turned Medicare into a privatized voucher program. That will never happen on my watch. I will protect Medicare.”
    **********************************************************
    Well, it sounds like the little punk is still trying to blame the conservatives for his own bullshit and further divide the people….Keep it up jackass!!!….Your days are numbered.

  294. rosettasister Says:

    Is This a Speech or a Rally? [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

    A veteran politico asks me: “Why is he yelling so much? If Bush had done that, the press would have had a field day. How many headlines will say “an angry obama”? None.”

  295. rosettasister Says:

    I Don’t Think He’s Threading the Needle [Jonah Goldberg]

    I don’t know if this will win over the public (though I’m skeptical). But if he’s actually trying to woo the Republicans in the room, I don’t think this is working at all. Too many digs to placate his base and indulge hs own vanity.

  296. rosettasister Says:

    Michael F. Cannon: “the leavening hand of wise policy” wise policy? wise policy?? where can i get some of that??

  297. Troy Says:

    rosettasister Says:

    September 10, 2009 at 12:57 am
    Is This a Speech or a Rally? [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

    A veteran politico asks me: “Why is he yelling so much? If Bush had done that, the press would have had a field day. How many headlines will say “an angry obama”? None.”
    ********************************
    That’s how Community Agitators work….He is a fucking disgrace and anything but a president….The little ACORN thinks he’s an oak now….We the People are the chain saw….Timberrrrrrr, ya little punk!!!

  298. rosettasister Says:

    So He’s Starting Tomorrow? [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

    ” I still believe we can replace acrimony with civility.”

  299. ryansgrammy Says:

    From Drudge

    http://www.drudgereport.com/flashwc.htm

  300. ryansgrammy Says:

    Troy Says:

    The little ACORN thinks he’s an oak now….We the People are the chain saw….Timberrrrrrr, ya little punk!!!

    Troy — that is priceless!!!! 😀

  301. rosettasister Says:

    McConnell Responds [NRO Staff]

    Via e-mail:

    “The President spent a lot of time tonight talking about what will happen if Congress does nothing about health care even though there’s already a strong bipartisan agreement on the need for reform. The false choice between a massive government takeover, or no reform at all, is one that has been soundly rejected across the country.

    “When it comes to health care, Americans don’t want the government to tear down the system we have and build an even bigger, government-run system that adds massive spending and debt. They want us to repair it. Republicans have offered many specific plans to do just that—commonsense proposals that could attract strong bipartisan support in Congress and overwhelming support from the American people. It’s not too late for the White House to join us in using these ideas as the basis of reforms that Americans actually want.”

  302. rosettasister Says:

    Steele Responds [NRO Staff]

    Via e-mail statement:

    The president has proven his ability again to speak very well and say very little. He continued to try and sell his government-run health care experiment even though it will increase costs, increase taxes and increase the deficit. He said he wants to work with Republicans, but Nancy Pelosi and liberals in the House have opposed Republicans every step of the way. If the Democrats are serious about passing health care reform this year, they should stop pointing fingers and truly start working with Republicans to pass common-sense bipartisan health care reform that Americans want and deserve.

  303. ryansgrammy Says:

    http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2009/09/sirens.html

  304. Troy Says:

    Troy — that is priceless!!!! 😀
    *************************
    😉

  305. jrinNC Says:

    Well for all of you waiting to hear – it was disgusting. The Republicans did not even stand to applaud – But you could see that bo was getting pis*ed. He kept raising his voice louder and louder at times. That evil look was in his eyes. But I can tell you – this road still has a long way to go unless it is jammed down our throats. I will let the news media enlighten everyone as I already forgot what he said – in one ear out the other.

  306. Fernley Girl Says:

    Good. I hope he stays pis*ed and gives everyone the evil eye all the time. Show your true colors, bo.

  307. jrinNC Says:

    Congressman Yells ‘You Lie’ During Obama Speech
    The outburst caused Obama to pause briefly before he went on with his speech

    South Carolina Republican Rep. Joe Wilson shouted “You lie!” after Obama had talked about illegal immigrants.

    Wilson’s outburst caused Obama to pause briefly before he went on with his speech. Overhead in the visitors’ gallery, first Lady Michelle Obama shook her head from side to side.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/09/congressman-yells-lie-obama-speech/

    *********************************************
    Gotta tell you this was funny – the room was quiet when he yelled it. BO was definitely miffed.

  308. Troy Says:

    Congressman calls Obama a liar during his healthcare liathon…Watch Nancy Piglosi crap her underalls at the 1:18 mark. 🙂

  309. igaveup Says:

    In his mind “the One” isn’t lying. He’s going to LEGALIZE ALL ILLEGALS so therefore, NO ILLEGALS WILL GET FREE CARE.

    HE’S A LIE-YER (LAWYER)

  310. Troy Says:

    Roflmaooo!!!!!

  311. Thomas Jones Says:

    after last year i gave up on politics…i just pray for the best…

  312. Troy Says:

    Awww poop!!!….This is the video that I meant to post.

  313. igaveup Says:

    Troy

    You know Nancy is going to go “ballistic”. Maybe the Repubs have been lifted up by their base that has been out protesting.

  314. Fernley Girl Says:

    I wonder what BO would do if people started snickering, giggling, and outright laughing at him at his next speech? Think it might send him over the edge? Man, I wish I could be somewhere to try it!!!

  315. ryansgrammy Says:

    igaveup — bingo — that’s exactly what I thought. They’ll be given amnesty and made citizens so what he is saying is true — they won’t get insurance as illegals!

  316. ryansgrammy Says:

    Troy did you see this particular comment on Leo’s under the Government Ruling fron 1885 thread regarding adoption:

    Leo,

    I just watched a video from the scene of Orly’s CA case. In this video a Representitive from the state of MO stated that it is common practice for states in the case of adoption to list the adoptive parents as the true birth parents on the subsequent birth certificate. I found this statement to be curious. Any legal thoughts on this? Why would Orly find it important to get this mentioned? BTW in the video Orly once again used your argument of 2 US citizen parents to be qualified for POTUS. Does her court case support this argument?

  317. Troy Says:

    ryansgrammy Says:

    September 10, 2009 at 2:18 am
    igaveup — bingo — that’s exactly what I thought. They’ll be given amnesty and made citizens so what he is saying is true — they won’t get insurance as illegals!
    **********************************************************
    I told y’all this a long time ago and it doesn’t have a damn thing to do with caring about them….The plan is to instantly create untold millions of brand new democrat voters…This how they plan to stay in power….Ask yourselves this, Why would they be pulling all of their crap when they know good and well that it will cost them their jobs and they will be voted out?….Here is the answer, It’s because they have what they feel is a fool proof plan to stay in power….Blanket amnesty to all illegals (instant votes) and electronic voter fraud….And guess what, they do have a fool proof plan and it’s going to work….This is when the US citizens are going to pull an Iran and take to the streets….You may think that I’m wrong, but just watch and see….These fools wouldn’t be giving their constituents the middle finger if they weren’t confident that they won’t need the constituent votes….It’s as plain as the nose on one’s face.

  318. ryansgrammy Says:

    If they’re going to really investigate the case being dropped against the Black Panthers, they need an independent review by someone on the outside who is non-partisan. I would be extremely shocked if this office in the DOJ comes out against their boss.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/sep/09/inquiry-opened-about-new-black-panther-case/

  319. Troy Says:

    ryansgrammy Says:

    September 10, 2009 at 2:27 am
    Troy did you see this particular comment on Leo’s under the Government Ruling fron 1885 thread regarding adoption:
    *************************************************
    grammy, yes I did….Orly has made a mistake in her pleading to the court….She lumped in the “2 US citizen parents” pleading with all the others, i.e., indonesian adoption, possibly born in kenya, etc..etc…That is a terrible mistake, as when one pleading is ruled against then all of the others attched / lumped with it will also be ruled against as a whole…She MUST list and plead them all seperately….Leo has contacted her and advised her on this and I hope she will put her pride aside and take his advice and refile her pleadings….If she doesn’t then she is screwed….It’s hard for me to understand how she could foul up something so simplistic as this….It’s no complicated at all.

  320. igaveup Says:

    Troy

    Yep. That’s another point that Juan McShamnesty doesn’t get.

  321. Troy Says:

    igaveup Says:

    September 10, 2009 at 2:48 am
    Troy

    Yep. That’s another point that Juan McShamnesty doesn’t get.
    **************************************************
    Juan is a backstabbing traitor and he knows exactly what is being played out….I saw him drink the kool-aid before the election….He is just another black racist that puts his skin color above what is right and wrong….He is a disgrace!

  322. igaveup Says:

    (sigh) Joe Wilson apologized. But at least it was heard and noticed.

  323. sdee Says:

    Troy Says:
    September 10, 2009 at 1:48 am

    Congressman calls Obama a liar during his healthcare liathon…Watch Nancy Piglosi crap her underalls at the 1:18 mark. 🙂
    **********************
    Love it!

    Seems fair enough – Bo was calling them liars.

    I am hoping for one of those South Korean scenes in our Congress soon. Everyone jumping over seats and punching each other.

    These people all hate each other and are siitting there seething and scheming like a bunch fo highway robbers. Why keep pretending? Brawl.

  324. Troy Says:

    I am hoping for one of those South Korean scenes in our Congress soon. Everyone jumping over seats and punching each other.

    These people all hate each other and are siitting there seething and scheming like a bunch fo highway robbers. Why keep pretending? Brawl.
    **********************************************************
    Hehehe….Now that would be priceless!!!

  325. sdee Says:

    from Drudge:

    “Get ready for Detroit-style labor relations in our hospitals. ”

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203440104574400571702189240.html

  326. sdee Says:

    what McCain had to say about the Joe Wilson incident…

    “It was “totally disrespectful,” Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., said on CNN of Wilson, a conservative who has opposed Obama’s economic remedies. “There is no place for it in that setting, or any other, and he should apologize for it immediately.””

    Notice McCain failing mention Obama’s utter disdain disrespect for eveyday citizens, Republican lawmakers and Sarah Palin (he called Palin a liar).

  327. Troy Says:

    Nice, the autoworker’s union already put General Motors out business….Maybe we can put the doctors and hospitals out of business also….I’ll be so glad when Texas sucedes and I can live in a great country again….The National Republic of Texas hs a nice ring to it!

  328. Troy Says:

    sdee Says:

    September 10, 2009 at 3:36 am
    what McCain had to say about the Joe Wilson incident…

    “It was “totally disrespectful,” Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., said on CNN of Wilson, a conservative who has opposed Obama’s economic remedies. “There is no place for it in that setting, or any other, and he should apologize for it immediately.””
    *********************************************************
    I’m sick of that limp dick, Obama apologizing, turncoat….He is in on and has obviously always been a part of the master plan….He never had any intention of winning the election….He was window dressing.

  329. Troy Says:

    The shout heard round the world!!
    by DefendUSx September 09, 2009 21:25

    From Blogsphere:

    The new battle cry of all TRUE AMERICANS:

    YOU LIE!!!!!

    Blogger: “Joe has just been launched into superstardom. We just watched history being made.”

    Blogger: “I want to bear his rebel children!!!”

    Here again are the phone numbers to contact and congrat Joe:

    DC office: 202 225 2452

    SC office 803 939 0041
    Blogger: “Joe’s switchboard is melting down!!”

    Blogger: “we need to protect Joe Wilson Now!!!!! after Nancy was looking at the seating chart…she is gonna try to start some shit”

    Blogger: “I’m definitely adding him to my list of Great Americans!”

    Blogger: “Joe now has 4200 followers on Twitter and growing by the minute, lol. An hour ago he had 2,800”

    Blogger: “If there is no concrete plan then why did Obama say he was going to “clarify” on TV tonite. There was a lie right there…”

    Blogger: “Good for him, I say. Exercise your first amendment rights before they’re taken away.”

    Blogger: “Bravo Mr. Wilson. Bravo.”

    Blogger: Bring It

    Blogger: “Isolate it, freeze it, polarize it”
    http://www.repubx.com/

  330. Troy Says:

    Idea for new Tea Party posters: Joker Obama poster with the now famous words, “YOU LIE”!!!!

  331. Troy Says:

    Larry Johnson hit a homerun with this one.
    ***********************************
    Barack’s Bullshit Healthcare Bamboozlement

    By Larry Johnson

    What garbage!!! Oh, it was smooth. It had some soaring rhetoric. But we’ve seen this tap dance before. The most egregious is his utter nonsense about “working with Republicans.” Sorry, Barry, but if you meant what you said then you would not have convened a Democrats only meeting at the White House yesterday.

    If you meant what you said you would not have allowed your Administration officials to go out and savage Americans who dared speak up at town halls.

    If you meant what you said you would have invited John McCain to the White House last week or last month to make a genuine push for bipartisan reform. But you did not. You sat on your hands as the various monster plans were exposed for the chicanery they contained.

    And then you promise to pay for this mess by producing gold out of cow dung. You promise to pay for this program but fail to make clear how. Oh, you are going to clean up “waste, fraud and abuse?” Hell, you couldn’t even properly vet the radical pass of Van Jones or the tax cheating of Timmy Geithner. Clean up your own damn act first before you dare tell us that you are going to magically clean up “waste, fraud and abuse.” Look in the mirror!

    All you did tonight was repackage the vacuous promises you made on the campaign trail. And we know how you honor your promises and commitments. All we have to do is ask Jeremiah Wright and Van Jones.

    http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/09/09/baracks-bullshit-healthcare-bamboozlement/

  332. Tenacity Says:

    My apology for not having time to read much here today. Someone earlier suggested a prayer and fasting day on September 24th. I’m in. Great idea!

    I once showed Ray Stevens a restored Antebellum Home just outside Nashville…must have been 1973. He was a bit arrogant and just had to test the young broker showing him around. I remember walking him into the study and pointing out the fireplace…he said something about it being a waste in the fairly study and ask why I thought they put it there. I responded, “I don’t know maybe they wanted to get naked and screw on the desk.” He did a double take on me and grinned for the next 15 minutes every time I looked at him. The arrogant edge was gone, but he still didn’t buy the house.

    I guess I really do need to fast and pray.

  333. Tenacity Says:

    fairly small study

  334. Katie Says:

    Isn’t there something happening in Hawaii on the 24th as well? National Islam day or something like that?

    For a self proclaimed Christian, he sure focuses on Islam and Muslims and Communists a lot.

    But it’s probably just a coincidence…just trying to save the whole world…

  335. Tenacity Says:

    Well I can see that my comments on this stuff would have only been redundant.

  336. ryansgrammy Says:

    Perhaps BO is bi-polar! 🙂

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/09/somethings_rotten_at_the_state.html

  337. ryansgrammy Says:

    Check out the Judge Carter story on link below. I hadn’t read that Lucas Smith was there and read his afidavit.

    http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaLatest.htm

  338. Troy Says:

    Fox News reporting: ACORN in more deep doo doo.

    Andrew Brietbart at biggovernment.com has the scoop with video of ACORN assisting in prostitution.

  339. Troy Says:

    Video also shows ACORN instructring a “would be” pimp on how to scam an IRS filing…The whole thing was an undercover film maker posing as a pimp with an “underage” hooker….It took place INSIDE an Baltimore ACORN office….Some fockers are going to jail on this one!!!

  340. Troy Says:

    Since ACORN has gone into the prostitution business, then I guess that would make Obama the “Pimp in Chief”.

  341. Troy Says:

    Andrew Breitbart’s brand new blog just opened yesterday.

    http://biggovernment.com/

  342. Troy Says:

    ACORN Watch: Big pimpin’
    By Michelle Malkin • September 10, 2009 10:00 AM

    Andrew Breitbart’s new website, Big Government, has videotape of ACORN officials in Baltimore offering to help two people posing as a pimp and a prostitute, encouraging them to lie to the Internal Revenue Service in order to secure housing — and giving advice on how to claim underage girls from South America as dependents.

    James O’Keefe conducted the undercover investigation and has the full transcript here.

    Fox News adds:

    A second ACORN employee can be heard on the audiotape suggesting that the couple join the organization for an annual cost of $120 prior to attending one of its first-time homebuyer seminars, which are underwritten with taxpayer funds.

    Later, when the “pimp” asks what would happen if the organization is somehow connected to the scheme, the ACORN staffer replies, “First of all, it’s not gonna damage us because we not gonna know. And with your girls, you tell them, ‘Be careful.’ Train them to keep their mouth shut.”

    “These girls are like 14, how can we trust them?” the pimp asks.

    “Just be very, very careful,” the ACORN staffer says. “Whatever you do, always keep your eyes in the back of your head.”

    Reached by FOX News, O’Keefe said he was “shocked” at the level of assistance provided by ACORN staffers.

    “I was prepared for them to call the police, throw me out of the office and be hostile,” he said. “Without hesitation, they helped me every way they could with evading taxes and setting me up with a brothel, with getting around federal tax laws — doing everything they could to help us. I was completely shocked.”

    http://michellemalkin.com/2009/09/10/acorn-watch-big-pimpin/

  343. Katie Says:

    Gawd – the moron is on TV AGAIN!!!

    We’re getting bombarded with so much crappola, things are slipping past into oblivion faster than they should be.

    I have screamed over and over it’s not the SPEECH to the students, it’s far more than that. This video clip is spot on.

    The troubling content of President Obamas speech to school students.

    http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2009/09/10/edubama/

  344. Troy Says:

    Katie Says:

    September 10, 2009 at 2:39 pm
    Gawd – the moron is on TV AGAIN!!!
    ******************************
    Yep…My mute button is getting worn out!

  345. Troy Says:

    Thanks Katie!

  346. rosettasister Says:

    Reposted from above:

    Thomas Jones Says:
    September 10, 2009 at 1:51 am

    after last year i gave up on politics…i just pray for the best…

    ***

    Welcome, Thomas!

  347. rosettasister Says:

    Clay Says:
    September 10, 2009 at 2:26 am

    It is well past time for the States to reign in the rampant mismanagement by the federal government and reassert the rights of the sovereign States.

    The founders chose the age of 21 for the right to vote in an era when people matured at a much younger age than they do today; quite a few people in their mid to late twenties still behave as if they are in high school. The 21 year age for voting will not necessarily ensure that those voting for the first time will have sufficient maturity to cast informed, well founded votes, but raising the age to 21 will give our youth 3 additional years to gain life experience before they participate in determining the future of the United States.
    Please visit http://www.article-of-amendment.blogspot.com to discuss further.

    Read the entire post at bottom of comments section here:

    https://rosettasister.wordpress.com/2009/08/22/the-rosettasister-gang-of-liberty-lovers-%E2%80%94-i-am-just-another-patriot-who-loves-their-country/

  348. rosettasister Says:

    Rasmussen Presidential Approval

    Total Approve 48
    Total Disapprove 51

    (I thought Obama would get a slight bounce today after last night, but he lost ground. Yesterday he was 50 – 50.)

  349. rosettasister Says:

    Did the John Adams Project expose CIA agents?

  350. Troy Says:

    Clay Says:
    September 10, 2009 at 2:26 am

    It is well past time for the States to reign in the rampant mismanagement by the federal government and reassert the rights of the sovereign States.

    The founders chose the age of 21 for the right to vote in an era when people matured at a much younger age than they do today; quite a few people in their mid to late twenties still behave as if they are in high school. The 21 year age for voting will not necessarily ensure that those voting for the first time will have sufficient maturity to cast informed, well founded votes, but raising the age to 21 will give our youth 3 additional years to gain life experience before they participate in determining the future of the United States.
    ********************************************************
    Clay, I have brought up, on this blog before, this exact point that you are making….Here is my opinion on it….The constitution requires that one must be at least 35 years of age to be eligible to hold the office of president….The reason for this is simple….A person younger has not yet gained enough life experience to make sound judgements of the highest importance….Therefore, I would like to see the minimum voting age raised to 35 years of age also….If one must be at least 35 to be president then the same should apply to vote for president.

  351. rosettasister Says:

    “If one must be at least 35 to be president then the same should apply to vote for president.”

    I see your point, Troy. But when the minimum age was lowered from 21 to 18, the argument was how can we ask our 18 — 20 year olds to fight and die for this country, but deny them the privilege of voting.

  352. rosettasister Says:

    Real Clear Politics Video

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/09/10/

  353. Troy Says:

    I see your point, Troy. But when the minimum age was lowered from 21 to 18, the argument was how can we ask our 18 — 20 year olds to fight and die for this country, but deny them the privilege of voting.
    **********************************************************
    Rose, we don’t ask them to…They volunteer!!!…If a young person volunteers for military then I believe that they are far more dedicated to our freedom and liberties than their video game addicted, mindless zombie counterparts and should be given the special priveledge to be exempted from the rule…I never voted when I was a youngster and I’m glad that I didn’t because I was an uninformed punk, yet I was far more mature than many of my peers…So what does that say about them?…The majority of todays youth are even more so out in the stratosphere than I ever was and that is a problem for the responsible voting populace….I know that my opinion on this is radical as hell and will never happen, but I stick by it.

  354. ryansgrammy Says:

    Troy — Glenn Beck showed a snippet of a video yesterday before he went off the air that he is exposing today and it may be what Breibart is talking about. “Pimp in Chief” 😀

  355. Jay Says:

    Obama wasn’t lying. Joe Wilson was. It was absolutely disrespectful what Wilson did. I don’t care if you’re a Democratic, Republican, or Idependent President, it’s inexcusable. No President should be treated like that on the floor of the house, period.

  356. Troy Says:

    Obama was lying through his teeth and Wilson called him out on it….Joe Wilson is a patriot and a hero….BTW, Obama isn’t a president at all…He is a usurper to that office.

  357. rosettasister Says:

    “The majority of todays youth are even more so out in the stratosphere than I ever was and that is a problem for the responsible voting populace.”

    Personally, I went from voting a straight Dem tkt in 2000 to a straight Repub tkt in 2004, because I was so pissed at Dems.

    And I KNOW I should put a whole lot more thought into it than that.

    I want to go back and see how the different age groups broke for Bush in 2004 vs Obama in 2008.

    I do recall that almost all African — Americans voted for Obama.

    Understandable, but unfortunate.

  358. Troy Says:

    Lets also make something else VERY clear here….It was Usurper Obama that stood there and start spewing the “liar” word at others that don’t agree with his bullshit healthcare destruction plan….He is a disgrace!!!

  359. ryansgrammy Says:

    Troy Says:

    September 10, 2009 at 3:51 am
    The shout heard round the world!!
    by DefendUSx September 09, 2009 21:25
    From Blogsphere:
    The new battle cry of all TRUE AMERICANS:
    YOU LIE!!!!!

    Troy — He’s not only lies but he’s called us liars and has accused us of distorting the truth. He keeps saying that big insurance companies are behind the health care reform protests — he knows darn well its the silent majority of Americans who are waking up and fed up (no pun intended) with an out of control government which he is leading (not). I’m going to make sure I Mr. Wilson an email thanking him for standing up to the this American traitor! Thanks for providing his phone numbers!

  360. rosettasister Says:

    Obama’s Big Political Gamble

    Red-state Democrats are being asked to risk their seats.

    By KARL ROVE

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203440104574402882066261774.html

    These numbers should worry red-state Democratic senators and the 70 Democratic congressmen whose districts were carried by John McCain or George W. Bush. The people back home are likely to punish Democrats if they vote for ObamaCare.

    Already, many of them are drawing fire for having toed the party line on a stimulus package that’s likely to celebrate its first anniversary with unemployment near 10%. They’re also likely to be blasted for supporting a budget that doubles the national debt in five years, a new energy tax in the form of cap and trade, and a host of other liberal policies that voters did not expect from a candidate who ran as a centrist.

    Until Ted Kennedy’s vacant Massachusetts Senate seat is filled and there is confidence West Virginia’s Robert Byrd is well enough to show up for a vote, there simply aren’t 60 Senate Democrats to invoke cloture. That means Republicans will have considerable procedural sway, even if the White House isn’t interested in giving them a real role by taking out a clean sheet of paper and starting over.

    Given the Senate situation, do vulnerable House Democrats really want to go first in voting for ObamaCare? They’ve already done that by slamming through cap and trade, which is now stalled in the Senate. How much political capital will Speaker Nancy Pelosi have to spend to pass an increasingly unpopular health-care measure?

  361. ryansgrammy Says:

    boy — i fell asleep there — I’m sending Mr. Wilson an email and calling his office too!!

  362. rosettasister Says:

    Karl writes a weekly op-ed for The Wall Street Journal, is a Newsweek columnist and is now writing a book to be published by Simon Schuster.

    Email the author at Karl@Rove.com or visit him on the web at Rove.com.

    http://www.rove.com/

    http://twitter.com/KarlRove

    Or, you can send him a Tweet@karlrove

    (I don’t know how to tweet, I don’t think I want to know.)

  363. Troy Says:

    I want to go back and see how the different age groups broke for Bush in 2004 vs Obama in 2008.

    I do recall that almost all African — Americans voted for Obama.

    Understandable, but unfortunate.
    ***************************
    Rose, none of it is going to matter in the next election….The corrupted census is going to be used to gerrymander the districts and electronic voter fraud is going to be rampant…Add that to the newly created millions of democrat votes gained through blanket amnesty of illegal aliens and you have an unbeatable power grab by the current communist administration….We the People screwed until they finally throw off the unconstitutional and illegal government….There will be a second American Revolution and it is nearer than one may think.

  364. rosettasister Says:

    There will be a second American Revolution and it is nearer than one may think.

    ***

    Well, if you’re right, I hope it’s a peaceful one.

  365. rosettasister Says:

    Updated Link after additions:

    http://www.4shared.com/play/10329682/efdae9dd/sharing.html

    I will make many deletions soon, but I’ll let you know. Out with the old, in with the new! The oldest stuff starts here:

    https://rosettasister.wordpress.com/2009/06/05/ive-been-waiting-for-you/

  366. rosettasister Says:

    Last Night Didn’t Quite Do It

    Posted By Victor Davis Hanson

    http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/last-night-didnt-quite-do-it/

    Like ‘hope and change’, ‘this is our moment’, and the now old ‘greatest time in history’ tropes, so too we are getting used to a highly partisan president complaining about partisanship.

    Yet, all the American people wanted last night was

    1) the rough cost and where the money comes from (not more gimmicks that bad people will have to cut their profits or magic savings will come from waste and fraud [if the latter is really true, why not bank the savings right now?]);

    2) how those who fall through the cracks will be covered (is it 30, 46, or how many million in Obama’s latest version?); and some appreciation that a great system can be improved, rather than the old anecdotes about victims of bad people that we’ve become used to on the campaign trail.

    (Trying to attach his agenda to the condolences of Ted Kennedy or raising the bloody shirt that more will “die” will not scare or charm a reluctant public that likes its present health and is uneasy about a state-run plan with caretakers of the likes of a Geithner or Jones. Most believe that more will in fact die if we have a Canadian or British style system that devolves into rationing care.)

    The President really has to watch this constantly return to these soaring cadences that deliver banalities.

    One cannot sound like Lincoln if there really is no message.

    It is time to move on, ignore criticism, and offer something that most can work with; instead, after 9 months we are getting a ‘they are mean to me’ whine at about every speech and photo-op, in the manner of biblical prophets who lash out at doubters.

    Obama never gives many concrete details, nor gets precise and concise, and now one wonders whether it is because he simply thinks he can go to the hope and change / soar like an eagle mode, and we will once more get mesmerized, or he has nothing to say at all, or both.

    But most caught on to all that, and now want a plan, not a prophet.

    Bottom line?

    Obama should just borrow from the Republican plan, assure the Democrats he’s extending coverage to those uncovered, and then, and only then, go back to his eagle routine and soar with it in the stratosphere with “I alone hoped and changed health care.”

  367. Katie Says:

    Holy crap! After reading this, can you envision Botox Nancy in jailbird stripes????

    “The Theory is Now a Conspiracy And Facts Don’t Lie”

    http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/14583

  368. rosettasister Says:

  369. rosettasister Says:

    What does Nancy know about Obama’s eligibility ?

    http://www.network54.com/Forum/578302/thread/1252541678/last-1252541678/What+does+Nancy+know+about+Obama%27s+eligibility+-

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2335800/posts

  370. rosettasister Says:

    Apologies if this is a duplicate:

    Van Jones P.S.: Human Shields Who Protected Saddam Were “Heroes”

    http://hotairpundit.blogspot.com/2009/09/van-jones-ps-human-shields-who.html

  371. rosettasister Says:

    We Will Call You Out!

    Hugh Hewitt

    http://townhall.com/Common/PrintPage.aspx?g=a3aa1408-daef-4c2f-b9ae-c8fbb9fe71aa&t=c

    President Obama took a predictable whack at “death panels,” but in so doing he dismissed every other objection raised by every other critic.

    We know our own minds. We know why we are objecting to the plan. We know how the Post Office works, how Amtrack works, how reliable are pledges from Democrats about cost controls.

    We know the president cannot guarantee that we get to keep our insurance and our doctors because most of us get our insurance from our employers, and they will decide what we get after they consider what the new law dictates and demands.

    We know what the Congressional Budget Office has said about the price tag, and we know what Henry Waxman and Nancy Pelosi really really want and what the president himself has endorsed in the past, which is a single payer system

    And seniors know that you cannot drain $500 or more billion dollars from medicare and deliver the same benefits as are delivered today. You cannot make deep cuts in Medicare Advantage and not lower the standard of living for many seniors.

    Seniors are afraid, and they are right to be afraid, and nothing the president said in his speech will make them less afraid because he did not discuss their fears –he dismissed them.

    The president can promise that illegal aliens won’t be covered, but how exactly are hospitals going to stop providing the care they are presently providing and which only heartless robots could deny? It simply isn’t believable for the president to tell the country that illegal aliens won’t be covered –and did you notice the stress among the Democrats on that point– but not address one of the great unfunded current costs of the system which is the provision of health care to illegal immigrants via emergency room care.

    The president can assure the audience that abortion won’t be a covered procedure under his “reforms,” but the country knows where his party is on that issue and there isn’t the bold print guarantee pro-lifers want in any of the draft bills, nor will one be forthcoming.

    Again and again the president trotted out the tired old talking points in defense of the tired old arguments. The usual cast of straw men made their appearance, and the president dispatched them all.

    And we’ve all been warned, we radio and cable talkers, that the president will call us out.

    And not a mind was changed, not a new argument advanced, not a single compromise put forward.

    The only thing bipartisan about this debate is the opposition to much of the president’s plan. That’s the way it was on Wednesday morning.

    And that’s still the way it is late on Wednesday night.

  372. Katie Says:

    “And seniors know that you cannot drain $500 or more billion dollars from medicare and deliver the same benefits as are delivered today.”

    So let me get this straight. The government-run Medicare has $500 billion in waste right now, and the liberals are telling us they can run a cost-effective healthcare system???

    If there’s $500 billion in waste right now, how’s about we clean up that little mess first? Hmmm…?

    Well, I guess we would if this was truly about healthcare and tax payer’s money.

    This is all about control, and trying to crush the citizens and the country.

  373. rosettasister Says:

    Good point, Katie!

    These nutty people want us to believe that all of these supposed savings are going to pay for future expenditures?!

    Why on earth should we believe that’s going to be so easy to do or based in reality?

    We do have to do something about reforming entitlements.

    I say let’s start with privatizing all government-run healthcare.

    I know the Swiss don’t have anything like Medicare or Medicaid and they don’t have rationing.

  374. rosettasister Says:

    The speech that didn’t matter

    http://blogs.reuters.com/james-pethokoukis/2009/09/10/the-speech-that-didnt-matter/

    The unemployment rate does continue to climb. And that will continue to erode Obama’s popularity and drain his political capital.

    In the next two monthly job market reports from the Labor Department, there is a good chance that one will show an unemployment rate at 10 percent or above. And there is also a good chance that Obama’s approval ratings could dip below 50 percent.

    From that vantage point, Obama is in a worse situation than President Clinton, who at least had a brisk economic recovery putting the wind to his back as he pushed healthcare reform.

    What this means for Obama is that cooperation with him offers little for moderate, blue-dog Democrats or Republicans. So a final bill could be pretty much a Democrat-only affair, with maybe the exception of Senator Olympia Snowe, the moderate Maine Republican.

    But that was also the situation before the speech.

    And even before Obama spoke, some important liberals — including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi — appeared to be backing down from a demand that a strong public option be ready to go on day one of any new healthcare era. (But don’t discount the possibility that liberals are still willing to sink healthcare reform if the public option isn’t robust enough.)

    *** This is exactly why I say that these hard core lefties really are not interested in helping the less well off. If they were, they’d jettison the public “option” and get the job done in the private sector. It has been done. It can be done. Hopefully, America will not fall for the our way or the status quo mantra. No one wants the status quo. We’re headed for bankruptcy, if we’re not there already. For those who insist on a public “option” it’s all about power and herding the sheep. ***

    So in the end, it’s hard to make the case that Obama’s speech has really changed much of anything. If reform passes, it will be a far more limited bill than what Democrats had hoped for back in January.

  375. rosettasister Says:

    Chairman Michael Steele responds to Obama’s speech to the Joint Session of Congress

  376. Troy Says:

    Watch the professional Mycheks in action….They are trained since birth on how to game the system and bleed the nanny government dry, because, by God!!!, it’s owed to them.

    Definition:
    Mychek – Someone that stands in line at the welfare office yelling out, “Will my check be here today or will my check be here tomorrow?”

  377. rosettasister Says:

    Why Liberals Should Drop the Public Option

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/07/AR2009090702070.html

    Matt Miller, a former Clinton White House aide, is a management consultant and the author of “The Tyranny of Dead Ideas.” In recent years he has advised and given paid speeches to doctor groups, hospitals, pharmaceutical firms and insurance companies, as well as to low-income advocacy groups promoting universal coverage.

    ***

    The first fallacy of the “public option or nothing” mantra is the notion that we’ll never cover everyone without a Medicare-style program for

    Americans under 65. The experiences of Switzerland and the Netherlands prove that this isn’t the case. Both have pioneered

    market-based universal health care. Both cover all their citizens using private insurers, and they do so for much less cost — 10 percent of

    gross domestic product for the Dutch and 12 percent for Switzerland, compared with 17 percent in the United States, where nearly 50 million

    people are still uninsured.

    Those countries also boast better health outcomes than we do, even when compared to states with similar demographics, such as

    Connecticut and Massachusetts. Sick people in both countries are pursued as customers by private insurers (rather than shunned, as they

    are in the United States) because health plans are paid more for sick enrollees via a government-designed system of “risk adjustment.” The

    Swiss and Dutch achievements are important because conservative critics often act as though fully socialized systems, such as those in

    Britain and Canada, are the inevitable result of any drive for universal coverage. In fact, as these two countries show, it is possible to cover

    everyone without a “big government takeover.”

    A related fallacy is that the public option is the most important issue to debate. It’s not. The central progressive breakthrough in any reform

    should be to make it possible for every American to access group health coverage outside the employment setting — access that does not

    currently exist but which the proposed insurance exchanges would enable. What’s critical, therefore, is the structure of these exchanges

    and the rules about who would be eligible to use them. Such questions have received disturbingly little attention but need to be front and

    center. For example, some legislation proposes barring people who enjoy employer-based coverage from seeking insurance from the new

    exchanges; this ban should be scrapped in favor of the proposal offered by Sen. Ron Wyden, under which employees could use the cash their

    companies spend on their benefits to buy coverage they prefer at the exchange.

    I respect those in my party who seek the single-payer system into which the public option might eventually evolve. But I don’t agree that it’s the

    best answer for the United States. Though single payer has merits, especially in administrative efficiency, it is also likely to freeze in place

    our fragmented, uncoordinated system of fee-for-service care. It would encourage providers to goose volume (to boost their incomes) rather

    than improve quality and would offer greater rewards for providers of acute care when we need a fresh focus on chronic disease management.

    Single payer also asks government to do things I don’t think it is competent to do, such as setting prices across a large swath of the

    health sector in ways that seem certain to create damaging rigidities or resource misallocations (as happens in Medicare).

  378. rosettasister Says:

    Keith Hennessey

    http://keithhennessey.com/2009/09/09/checklist-review/

    The deficit language is the most interesting. He tries to be definitive:

    “I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits – either now or in the future. Period.”

    He immediately follows this with language that is written as if it strengthens this commitment. I think instead it undermines the commitment.

    “And to prove that I’m serious, there will be a provision in this plan that requires us to come forward with more spending cuts if the savings we promised don’t materialize.”

    I think he’s anticipating that the Congressional Budget Office will continue to score legislation as increasing long-term budget deficits by an increasing amount each year. The President and his Budget Director will, I think, continue to assert that their “game changers” will reduce long-term budget deficits, despite providing no quantitative evidence to support this claim. This new Presidential language suggests that they will include additional language that requires actual spending cuts if (when) the game changers don’t work.

    *** If I’m right, it’s a transparent gimmick designed to try to get CBO to say the bills don’t increase the long-term budget deficit, without actually making any of the hard choices needed to do so. If you care about the deficit, keep a close eye on this element of the President’s proposal. I will help you do so. ***

    Finally, the President characterized his proposal as a “new plan.” We’ll see if he backs that plan up with anything more on paper.

  379. jrh Says:

    Every 9/10 I get a little chill wondering if tomorrow will bring another disaster. Not being an alarmist, I don’t get too caught up in it, but these extremists are not done and the current regime is almost giving them a wink and a nod.

    Reading things like this can get you wondering.

    http://www.deseretnews.com/article/print/705328180/Is-another-911-set-to-unfold.html

  380. rosettasister Says:

    bbl

  381. Troy Says:

    Mycheks

    Part ll

  382. Troy Says:

    jrh Says:

    September 10, 2009 at 7:07 pm
    Every 9/10 I get a little chill wondering if tomorrow will bring another disaster. Not being an alarmist, I don’t get too caught up in it, but these extremists are not done and the current regime is almost giving them a wink and a nod.

    Reading things like this can get you wondering.

    http://www.deseretnews.com/article/print/705328180/Is-another-911-set-to-unfold.html
    *********************************************************
    50,000 muslims have organized to show up in DC this month for an all day long marathon prayer ritual….It has already been cleared and is going to happen….Fifty thousand!!!!…..That is an army!!!!….But it’s all going to be peaceful, right?….Well of course it is, all you have to do is ask them and they will tell you so….50,000 Islamic muslims!!!!…Wake the eff up, Obama!!!!….OOPS, I forgot, he invited them.

  383. jrinNC Says:

    jrh Says:
    September 10, 2009 at 7:07 pm

    Every 9/10 I get a little chill wondering if tomorrow will bring another disaster. Not being an alarmist

    **************************************************************
    I feel the same way jrh – only I am a little concerned on 9/12. Stop and think about it – here we will have in DC many many Patriots gathered in one place. How easy would it be for a “flyover” and something is conveniently sprayed.

  384. jrh Says:

    jrin, the destruction of 9/12’ers in DC would be tragic indeed, however the collateral damage to the politicians, bureaucrats and lobbyists gives pause to think about.

  385. rosettasister Says:

    I think this is where one can find Paul F Villarreal these days.

    I was wondering where to find him.

    http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=ConservativeNewMedia&view=videos

  386. jrinNC Says:

    And speaking of flyovers – been hearing more than normal for my area especially late night. Of course I live really close to Cherry Pt Marine Corps Air Station. They are just across the river from where I live and can even see the lights. Normally they are daytime flyovers but late last night I was awakened by them. Needless to say I did NOT go outside. I am sorry if I am being paranoid – but I do not trust anything right now as far as govt is concerned. Guess I need to live more by faith than fear, but it is hard to do in these days.

  387. ryansgrammy Says:

    jr — I’m thinking the same thing and I’ll be there — so it really gives me the creeps! I sure hope they don’t have to wait for an okay from ohb to intercept a plane entering protected air space. Remember how they had to beg him to use the Navy Seals to free the captain of the ship that the pirates seized.

  388. sdee Says:

    We just arrived in DC and set up the trailer for the night.

    Small campground but when we checked in, a woman was there who gave us a copy of the Constitution. maps on where to meet for the March and directions to the Metro stations.

    She said all the campgrounds are full and everyone checking in so far here is going to march.

    Guy next to us said Beck is saying to expect a large turnout.

    Its not too late! – head on over to DC.

  389. ryansgrammy Says:

    sdee — I’ll be joining you on Saturday!!!! Hope millions show up!

  390. jrinNC Says:

    Grammy – sdee – I will be praying for all there. I could not find anyone who wanted to go with me and felt it would not be safe to go alone. I am however going to a local gathering that will be held that day. Please know that I am there in spirit and pray for your protection. Can’t wait to hear what you all have to report back.

  391. CJ Says:

    I hope and pray all of us going to DC will have a safe and exciting visit with our fellow patriots on Sat. I am lining up with the NYS delegation if I can find them. Will have my flags and a red NY/Buffalo t-shirt on. There will be 2 other lovely ladies with me. Not looking forward to an 8 hour drive, half of it in the dark Fri. evening, but it will be an adventure and we have 3 drivers and a good car. Staying in Arlington. Haven’t really gone without my husband on a trip like this for 30 years. Kind of scary for me to do, but he didn’t want to participate however he encouraged me to go if I want. He’s not as passionate about all this as I am, (has work to take care of anyway) although he does not like OBama at all, so here I am. Stepping out of my usual conservative mode and going with friends. One of our party hasn’t ever been to DC so we are going to cram a little sight-seeing in Sat. evening. Back home Sunday morning. I am going to be so tired!! I am hoping to video a lot of it if I can work the camera ok. Not real good at that but will give it a good try. Might end up making people watching the replay a bit dizzy lol. Have fun everyone and be safe and aware.

  392. ryansgrammy Says:

    I’m glad there are local activities as well for those who can’t get to DC. I just hope we can get there. Seen DC through many events (including one drop of rain which can cause havoc). It becomes total gridlock!!!!!! I’ve talked to several people taking AMTRAK into Union Station and of course the Metro System will be overloaded. Maybe I’ll carry a sign that says “Rose’s Gang Rocks!!!!!

  393. CJ Says:

    Tenacity: Haven’t ignored the post re CC and your plans. I just have been super busy the last few days. Will try and follow-up after I get back from DC. I know you will be a great representative.

  394. ryansgrammy Says:

    CJ — have a safe trip. That’s quite a haul for you guys (oops I mean gals)!

  395. rosettasister Says:

    New September 11, 2001 Thread:

    https://rosettasister.wordpress.com/2009/09/10/heroes-taller-than-buildings/

  396. Tenacity Says:

    I came over to post the J B Williams article at CFP but see that the Quick and Competent Katie beat me to it. Red and I plan to talk about this tonight on Let’s Talk Liberty. Our special guest tonight is Jim Cabaniss, the President of AVIDD, American Veterans In Domestic Defense. It will be another great show. Call-in Number: (347) 215-6929
    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/PatriotsHeartNetwork/2009/09/11/Lets-Talk-Liberty

    Also, I will be speaking this Saturday at the 9/12 Tea Party at the Colorado State Capital in Denver. I am scheduled to speak at 8:30 pm, the last to speak. We will be passing out CC2009 delegate election packages at the We The People Congress booth.

  397. Troy Says:

    VIDEO: Ominous warnings from a soldier
    by DefendUSx September 10, 2009 16:07
    From Blogsphere:

    Soldier says big plot is coming soon by those who aim to take down the country. He warns to keep your “cool” as there will be a lot of panic and says soldiers will be forced to deal with “unruly citizens”.

    The real theme of his message starts at about 4:15 in the video

  398. Troy Says:

    Link to above video: http://www.repubx.com/

  399. Troy Says:

  400. rosettasister Says:

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    New September 11, 2001 Thread:

    https://rosettasister.wordpress.com/2009/09/10/heroes-taller-than-buildings/

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