Too much sun will burn!



So you think you’re having good times

With the boy that you just met

Kicking sand from beach to beach

Your clothes all soaking wet

But if you look around and see

Your shadow on the run

don’t be too upset because it’s just a paper sun

Ahh Paper Sun, Ahh Paper Sun

In the room where you’ve been sleeping

All your clothes all thrown about

Cigarettes burn window sills

Your meter’s all run out

But there again it’s nothing

You just split when day is done

Pitching lips to nowhere, hung

up on the paper sun

Standing in the cool of my room

Fresh cut flowers give me sweet perfume

Too much sun will burn!

When you’re feeling tired and lonely

You see people going home

You can’t make the train fare

Or the six pence for the phone

And icicles you’re crying

From your cheek have just begun

don’t be sad, good times are had

Beneath the paper sun

Daylight breaks while you sleep on the sand

A seagull is stealing the ring from your hand

The boy who had given you so much fun

Has left you so cold in the paper sun

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122 Responses to “Too much sun will burn!”

  1. sliderblaze Says:

    first….. suck wind losers… j/k

  2. Tenacity Says:

    My son just turned 23. He is what I would call prematurely conservative. I wonder why?

    Churchill said that any 20 year old that is not a liberal has no heart and any 40 year old that is not a conservative has no brain.

  3. Tenacity Says:

    sliderblaze Says:
    July 7, 2009 at 3:56 am

    first….. suck wind losers… j/k
    So, how many times have you sucked wind? NTTAWWT

  4. KoolAid_Free_Lexi Says:

    Yeah, I guess we do go through that don’t we. I know I’ve changed a bit w/ age.

    I have 3 sons. and we all agree on some things. The one thing they all agree on, and that I don’t agree, is legalizing marijuana for recreational purposes. I believe hemp is a versatile commodity. It has far more uses than just turning ya into Cheech and Chong fans. Being wasted… to me, is just a waste! lol

  5. sdee Says:

    On Sarah Palin, from Lame Cherry……. that the line she draws in the sand is the one of virtue, honor and duty.

  6. sdee Says:

    For me, finally an article that sums up the insanity of trying to make sense out of this upside down world.

    Thanks to Pamela Geller for wisely lifting this article by Dr. Jack Wheeler.

    ‘Quantum Weirdness’

    I have been falling through this Wonderland fog ever since seeing that video of a pompous Obama in Kenya supporting Odinga who gloated in the morgue while Christians burned in their church.

  7. sdee Says:

    been thinking about Palin…she did nothing but say yes when asked to run as VP. She did not seek it – she was in Alaska just doing her job, following her conscience.

    For that, she receives the full blown force of the National Obama Community Organizer attack machine, fueled by Soros fortunes and a rabid media. It is a larger, more coordinated, higher funded and vicious attack than any of enemies America’s mortal receive.

    What kind of country have we become?

    from the Wheeler article:
    “”The pervasive quantum weirdness we are experiencing is clearly pointing towards mass societal breakdown. We will emerge out the other side of it with either more freedom or more fascism. You can bet it will be the latter unless there is a planned, concerted, purposeful, and organized effort to secure the former. ”

  8. sdee Says:

    Palin’s interview is worth a read. The imagery and messages are starting to shape.

    Compare this to Obama’s entourages of limos, $100/lb steaks, political elite and Michelle wearing $500 boots in the White House garden.


    “”As Palin spoke, she and her husband Todd Palin loaded four news crews into two small fishing boats and headed into Bristol Bay from Dillingham.

    The Palin family — Todd’s sister, mother and father, as well as nieces and at least two children, had picked the journalists up at the airport in Dillingham and shuttled them to Bristol Bay in old pickup trucks and SUVs.

    Todd Palin was all smiles as he captained the fishing boat in Bristol Bay out to nets filled with Sockeye. He grew up commercial fishing these waters and Sarah Palin has been making the summer trip to Dillingham for many years.

    It was tough work. She wore rubber gloves, knee-high boots and waders

  9. Tenacity Says:

    I have taken your position on legalization of hemp (drugs), but I am frankly rethinking that position. I was rethinking that position before I read The Iron Web, but for some of the same reasons espoused by Larken Rose in that book. The concept of owning one’s own body. The principle that the government’s primary purpose is to secure our rights. The idea that a purpose should be left alone except when their actions harm another sovereign citizen. These are all natural characteristics of freedom. My thinking has been impacted by many discussions with fellow patriots over the last year, particular by one freedom fighter criminal attorney. Even some highly moral/conservative political types (Statesmen) like Tom Tancredo are coming around to this thinking. I no longer see this in conflict with my values, which strongly advise me against all substance abuse.

  10. Tenacity Says:

    Please insert “person” for purpose in the middle of that last comment. I need to get the sleep out of my fingers. 8)

  11. sliderblaze Says:

    7:45 AM: Suspected US missiles hit militants…

    Obama: ‘Absolutely’ no green light for Israel to attack Iran…
    Biden: Israel has right to deal with nuclear Iran…

    I’m sure ya’ll saw this but….. just goes to show…..

    oh yeah, via drudge

  12. Tenacity Says:

    Really good posts this morning. Wheeler is awesome and singing out of my song book. Cherry showed more class than I’ve seen of late…excellent perspective of Palin. Thank you.

  13. rosettasister Says:

    9:06 AM Pacific

    Good morning, good people!

    Thanks to all for contributing here!


  14. rosettasister Says:

    Originally published 04:45 a.m., July 2, 2009, updated 02:11 p.m., July 2, 2009

    Pakistan’s top Taliban leader, Baitullah Mehsud, is buying children as young as 7 to serve as suicide bombers in the growing spate of attacks against Pakistani, Afghan and U.S. targets, U.S. Defense Department and Pakistani officials say.

  15. rosettasister Says:

  16. rosettasister Says:

    A US missile strike pulverised a compound in a stronghold of Pakistani Taliban warlord Baitullah Mehsud on Tuesday, killing 16 foreign and local militants, security officials said.

    The strike, carried out by a suspected unmanned US aircraft, destroyed a compound in the Zangara area of South Waziristan — part of Pakistan’s lawless, tribal belt on the Afghan border where Islamist militants are holed up.

    One missile struck a Taliban hideout in the hamlet of Chinakai, killing foreign and local militants, said a Pakistani security official on condition of anonymity in a reference to suspected Al-Qaeda and Taliban militants.

  17. ryansgrammy Says:

    Hi folks — just received an email from one of the tea party groups in my area and they are talking about a nationwide tea party initiative against socialized medicine on July 17 from 12 -2. We will be at both of our local congressman’s office in numbers to protest health care reform. Sounds like a great idea to me so I’m passing it on.

  18. rosettasister Says:

    Thanks, grammy!

  19. rosettasister Says:

    An Intelligent Discussion About Health Care Reform

    Much of mainstream media is still consumed by Michael Jackson.

    On today’s program, we were consumed by the proposed government-run health care scheme, something that actually will have a long-lasting, negative impact if Americans don’t make their voice heard soon.

    There are plenty of real experts out there, on all sides of the political spectrum, and they’re available to talk.

    They should be on cable news every day until the votes take place.

    Will they? Probably not.

    In the meantime, here is a good compilation of information from earlier today that will get you up to speed.

    Dr. Robert Moffit of the Heritage Foundation’s Center for Healh Policy Studies.

    His interview transcript is here.

    The audio of Hugh’s discussion with him today is here.

    Professor Clayton Christensen of the Harvard Business School, co-author of The Innovator’s Prescription.

    His interview transcript is here.

    The audio of Hugh’s discussion with him today is here.

    Dr. Irwin Redlener is the co-founder and president of the Children’s Health Fund, director of the National Center for Disaster Preparedness, clinical professor of pediatrics at Columbia University.

    His interview transcript is here.

    The audio of Hugh’s discussion with him today is here.

    The flaw in the government option is apparent.

    The stakes of keeping the government out of the insurance business is very high.

    Don’t sit July out. Get in the game.

  20. rosettasister Says:

    Professor Clayton Christensen on health care reform and disruptive innovation


    HH: From your perspective, would it be better that they did nothing this summer than that they go forward with the debate as it has been framed, and as it has been launched?

    CC: That’s what I pray, is that they won’t be able to get anything done.

    HH: Tell people why before we go to the break, Professor Christensen.

    CC: Well, if they change the payment system in the way that the House currently conceives of it, by having a government-subsidized alternative to the private sector insurance plans,

    the way that government plan is going to work is they will reimburse providers at a fraction of what they are billed, just like Medicare only reimburses a fraction.

    That will make the government subsidize things so much lower in cost than the private sector plans, that it basically will tip all of the private sector plans, and drain their customers into the government plan.

    And we’ll have a single payer, government-controlled system.

    It really is a Trojan horse that takes us in that direction, even though they won’t call it that.

    That will be the effect, is it will put the private payment plans out of business, and then we will have gotten ourselves onto a freeway going the wrong direction from which there is no exit.

    (Nothing new here about “public” option – single payer. I didn’t hear any discussion of the Snowe proposal or Conrad or Wyden. Perhaps I missed that part.)

  21. rosettasister Says:

    Top Dem senator, hospitals near health care deal

    In the Senate, two committees — Finance and Health, Education, Labor and Pensions — are at work on legislation that eventually will have to be merged into one.

    Baucus, as chairman of the Finance Committee, has been negotiating privately for days with Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, in an attempt to reach a bipartisan agreement.

    A consensus appears to hinge on creation of a compromise between the Democratic demand for a government-backed insurance plan to compete with private industry, and strong Republican refusal to accept any such arrangement.

    Conrad’s Coop

    Under the most prominent compromise under discussion, a non-profit cooperative would be established to sell insurance, with federal start-up money.

  22. rosettasister Says:

    This is good, people! 52 – 47 (The closer we get to 51 – 49, the less chance Obama Reid and Pelosi have of passing their grandiose schemes.)

    2Presidential Approval Index
    3Strongly Approve
    4Strongly Disapprove
    5Total Approve
    6Total Disapprove

    1 07/07/2009
    2 -3
    3 33%
    4 36%
    5 52%
    6 47%

  23. rosettasister Says:

    Sorry if already posted!

    Hospital won’t back Obama birth claim

    Honolulu’s Kapi’olani Medical Center refuses to confirm White House letter

    By Jerome R. Corsi

  24. rosettasister Says:

    Mousavi predicts trouble for Ahmadinejad

    Iran’s new government will suffer because it lacks credibility and protests against it will go on, opposition leader Mir Hossein Mousavi says.

    Appearing in public for the first time in nearly three weeks Monday, Mousavi did not call for street demonstrations against the disputed July 12 re-election of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, but encouraged his backers to pursue change “within the framework of the law,” The Washington Post reported.

    The newspaper said Mousavi made the remarks in front of about 200 guests at the Iranian Academy of the Arts during a holiday commemorating the Shiite saint, Imam Ali.

    A local journalist at the event quoted Mousavi as saying: “Though it might seem that the protests have become quieter, they will not end. This protest will continue,” predicting “problems” for Ahmadinejad in his second term and adding, “The legitimacy of this government is questionable because people don’t trust it. This makes the government weak inside even if it keeps up appearances.”

    Mousavi’s comments came as supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei again criticized Western nations for “openly intervening” in Iran’s affairs by criticizing its crackdown on pro-democracy demonstrators, the Post said.

  25. sdee Says:

    The more I read of the healthcare debate, the more I realise it is simply win/lose for us, the people. If the Feds do nothing we win, if they do anything we lose.

    Our politicians are parasites siphoning off of lives of hard working of American people. They see healthcare “reform”, like “clean energy”, as money flow – the two big fat aorta veins of America.

    The only difference among the lot in DC is that Republicans intend to tap into it just enough that we might not notice as they grow fatter over time, while the Democrats intend to gorge as much and as fast as they can before their host weakens and loses the will to fight.

  26. rosettasister Says:

    1. For the third day in a row, citizens of Iran are finding themselves in a fog of blowing sand and dust #iranelection38 minutes ago from web

    2. People of Iran shouting Allah O Akbar (God is Great) louder than ever during Ahamdinejad’s speech on TV as a sign of protest. #iranelection40 minutes ago from web

    3. Ahmadinejad plans a televised speech Tuesday night to discuss domestic & foreign issues #iranelection41 minutes ago from web

    4. #Ahmadinejad is talking on channel one state TV, live #iranelectionabout 1 hour ago from web

    5. It’s official. #iranelection is no longer a trending topic on Twitter. Michael Jackson on the other hand has six out of ten. Speechless.about 1 hour ago from web

    6. Ahmadi’s speech and Jackson’s funeral happening at the same time? Was that intentional? #iranelectionabout 1 hour ago from web

    7. RT from Iran There are reports power already went down in central Tehran (Baharestan, Sarcheshme & Amir Kabir) #iranelection #gr88about 1 hour ago from web

    8. Ahmadinejad will appear on TV in a few mins (21.45 Tehran Time) we are waitting what will happen! #iranelectionabout 1 hour ago from web

  27. rosettasister Says:

    Craig v. United States: Citizenship Definition Case in 10th Circuit, SCOTUS Conference

  28. rosettasister Says:

    A lot of good posts here from today and yesterday:

  29. rosettasister Says:

    Tehrani is in Iran

    Tehrani says:
    7 juli 2009 om 20:12 July 7, 2009 at 20:12

    Mousavi heeft gisteren op nieuw verzocht om annulering van de uitslag van de verkiezingen.

    Mousavi yesterday to newly requested cancellation of the results of the elections.

    Hij heeft eerder zijn verzoek ingetrokken. He has earlier request.

    Kloof boven het regime wordt steeds groter, en hoe groot dat wordt, hoe meer mensen in Iran op straat komen.

    Regime above the gap is widening, and how great that is, the more people in Iran on the street.

    De kloof wordt niet en nooit dicht gemaakt kan worden.
    The gap will not close and never can be.

    Wij moeten met zo’n allen ook de annulering van verkiezingen vragen,
    We should all be about the cancellation of elections questions,

    De verwijzing van het dossier van de schenden van de recjhten van de mens naar de VN veiligheidsraad eisen,

    The referral of the dossier of the violation of human recjhten of the UN Security Council requirements,

    Alle betrekkingen met de mullahs verbreken zolang één politiek gevangene in Iran vast zit,

    All relations with the mullahs while breaking a political prisoner in Iran stuck,

    Wij moeten met zo’n allen om een vrije en eerlijke verkiezingen onder toezicht van de VN waarnemers vragen.

    We must all about a free and fair elections under the supervision of UN observers questions.

    Het volk zegt met “God is Groot” elke nacht dat zij de mullahs niet willen.

    It says people with “God is Great” every night that the mullahs do not want.

    GESHTAPO valt bij de woningen waaruit “Allah Akbar”wordt geroepen binnen, gooit stenen naar de woningen en maakt het volk bang, maar mensen willen niet ophouden met het verzet.

    GESHTAPO falls in the homes that “Allah Akbar” is created inside, throw rocks at the houses and makes people scared, but people do not want to stop the resistance.

  30. rosettasister Says:

  31. rosettasister Says:

    This comment was just posted on “Ode to Neda” page.

    Kamran Says:
    July 7, 2009 at 4:40 pm

    Thank you very very much rosettasister for your supports for Iranian people.

    I read your poem and i found it vey nice.

    I wish there were more people like you with open eyes .

    These kind of support give us Iranians more energy to fight for our freedom, now that the free world know our government is not our choice.

    All of Iranians were ashamed of themselves because everytime ahmadinezhad said something stupid and the world thought he is the president , so other Iranians have to be even more stupid.

    at least now we are happy that we showed to the world that he hasn’t been talking instead of us, but only instead of himself and the filthy islamic rejim of Iran and it’s leaders.

    and other good thing is that this filthy rejim became oblige to show what it really is and showed to world what the True meaning of islamic democracey is.

    I wish you more success and thank you again!


    rosettasister Says:
    July 7, 2009 at 7:46 pm

    Thank you very much, Kamran!

    One of our regular posters, Troy, composed “Ode to Neda.”

    We have a great variety of people here.

    And we all pray that God will deliver your people to freedom.

    I am trying to keep up with updates from Iran.

    You can find the latest in the comments section of most recent post:

    I have been paying particular attention to this page:

    and to a poster there named Tehrani.

  32. rosettasister Says:

    Tehrani says:
    7 juli 2009 om 20:38 July 7, 2009 at 20:38

    één van honderden klips die door de PMOI zijn gemaakt.
    one of hundreds of rock that have been made by the PMOI.

    Deze gaat over NUK feest bij de mullahs:
    This is about NUK party to the mullahs:

  33. rosettasister Says:

    Tehrani says:
    7 juli 2009 om 20:59 July 7, 2009 at 20:59

    De mullahs beginnen nu vlug vooruit te vluchten.
    The mullahs are starting to flee quickly forward.

    Zij durven niet naar achter te kijken. They dare not look back.

    Ze verkopen losse praatjes en lariekoek. They sell loose talk rubbish and cakes.

    Ahmadinejad zei vandaag in een TV toespraak: “De wereld moet de volkeren respecteren en laten ze hun eigen gang gaan en zich niet met hen bemoeien.

    Ahmadinejad said today in a TV speech: “The world should respect the people and let them go their own way and not interfere with them.

    Wij zijn bereid de wereld naar geluk en gelijkheid leiden”.
    We prepared the world for happiness and equality lead.

    Mensen worden misselijk als zij deze woorden horen!
    People are sick when they hear these words!

  34. rosettasister Says:

    Tehrani says:
    7 juli 2009 om 21:17 July 7, 2009 at 21:17

    Bijeenkomst van de oppositie in juni 2007. Meeting of the opposition in June 2007.

    Op dat moment waren mensen in Teheran in rep en roer om hun bezwaren tegen de mullahs kenbaar maken.

    At that time, people in Tehran in rep and stir their objections against the mullahs make.

    Toen hebben mensen in Teheran en andere grote steden tientallen benzine stations in brand gestoken.

    When people in Tehran and other major cities in dozens of petrol stations on fire.

    De beste optie om democratische verandering in Iran teweeg te brengen is steun aan de oppositie door hen van terreurlijst van de VS te verwezenlijken.

    The best option for democratic change in Iran to bring about is support for the opposition by them terrorist list of U.S. objectives.

  35. KoolAid_Free_Lexi Says:

    Tenacity Says:
    July 7, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    I have taken your position on legalization of hemp (drugs), but I am frankly rethinking that position.

    I see your point. I guess my only trouble w/ agreeing completely w/ my boys is that their view it seems so finite. They just wanna party! I see it as something more practical.

    Hemp can be used for rope, clothing, oil, building materials like particle board and caulk, paint, artist canvas, diesel fuel, soap, paper, lotions, and much more. Henry Ford designed a car to run on a hemp fuel. And it’s much faster to replenish than trees.

    And a little aside here …. Frankly, I’d much rather be around a pot head than a drunk most any day.

    OK, sorry, I’ve digressed much! I wasn’t really meaning to be a weed advocate! LOL!

    Anyway, I do get your point. It’s just like anything else. There’s always the possibility a thing (car, knife, medicine, fuel, a phone) can be misused.

  36. rosettasister Says:

    In front of Evin Prison 6 July Tehran Iran

  37. rosettasister Says:

  38. rosettasister Says:

    Recently hundreds gathered in front of Evin prison to bravely protest to the detention of their beloved children and relatives.

  39. rosettasister Says:

    blunt dog says:
    7 juli 2009 om 22:01 July 7, 2009 at 22:01

    Deze man heeft van meet af aan veilige Internetconnecties voor Iran in elkaar gesleuteld.

    This man has from the outset to secure Internet connections to Iran are falsified.

    Daarmee is hij doorgegaan en heeft nu een nieuw concept ontwikkeld, dat hij zonder enig winstoogmerk wil lostlaten op Iran.

    Thus he continued and has now developed a new concept, that without any profit would be lost on Iran.

    Je zou zeggen dat John McCain daar best aan mee kan betalen, gezien zijn grootse plannen met Iran en Internet daar, maar goed, die zal wel andere dingen aan zijn hoofd hebben.

    You could say that John McCain as best they can to pay, given its grand plans with Iran and the Internet there, but that will have other things on his head.

    (Huh! I need for someone to translate the Google translation!)

  40. rosettasister Says:

    blunt dog says:
    7 juli 2009 om 22:15 July 7, 2009 at 22:15

    ksquared3 RT @LilyMazahery

    Ayatollah Sistani (by far most powerful ShiiteCleric) REFUSED 2meet w/Ahmadinejad, so this is v interestin Ayatollah Sistani (by far most powerful ShiiteCleric) refused 2meet w / Ahmadinejad, so this is v interestin

    LOL! LOL!

    Dat was echter volgens mij een tijd terug. That was a time in my back.

    Zal op het Internet kijken of Sistani weer weigert of dat het inderdaad een oud bericht is.

    Will the Internet or look back Sistani refuses or that an old message.

  41. rosettasister Says:

  42. rosettasister Says:

    Few Seconds Power off during Ahmadinejad’s Live on TV, People used Iron Tactic to protest!

  43. KoolAid_Free_Lexi Says:

    Cloward-Piven Strategy

    First proposed in 1966 and named after Columbia University sociologists Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven, the “Cloward-Piven Strategy” seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.

  44. rosettasister Says:

    Dear God, Can this be true?!

  45. rosettasister Says:

    What I meant was can this be true that they would actually claim this?!

    The whole world watched her die!

  46. rosettasister Says:

  47. Tenacity Says:

    The point is that it is not the government’s job to limit one’s freedom. The gubmit writes tickets and makes money. They find any excuse to enslave us. It is one thing to police those consuming the rights of others and to take action to preserve the rights of the innocent. Now we learn that the gubmit or many in it are the drug traffickers. They invent czars and departments to steal more tax money. They use drug money and stolen tax money to control judges & media. They deceive jurors into believing they have no right to judge the law. This is precisely why we must use our votes as petit jurors to acquit defendants that have not harmed others. This will show the judiciary and legislators that we the sovereign citizens have the final say on the law and force them to stop trying to control us with bad laws like Income tax, personal weed use, license fees & seat belts, to name a few. Our Grand Jury vote will stop some of the gubmit’s criminal activities.

  48. CJ Says:

    Wow Rose, re Neda videor, we truly are living thru the looking glass. Anyone can say anything is the truth and we are at the point of not being able to tell what the truth really is. Lying is a way of life now. What is truth anyway? Just someone’s opinion. Scary times and I am thinking I’d like to move to the most isolated spot I can find where I can’t hear or read these lies anymore. Somewhere that I know for sure that the sky is blue and flowers are really flowers and the grass is green. It’s about all my brain can take anymore. I’m definitely on overload mentally with all this chaos that Obama has wrought. Yikes.

  49. Tenacity Says:

    rosettasister Says:
    July 7, 2009 at 8:33 pm

    What I meant was can this be true that they would actually claim this?!
    This should remove all doubt of the insanity of the radical Muslim clerics. They are so deluded, narcissistic and disingenuous that they expect people to believe whatever they say. I interacted with many Persians back in the early and mid ’80’s. I finally just had to walk away from their insanity. For every one that had integrity (mostly Jewish Persians), there were 6 that believed their own spin and would become outraged if challenged. They could almost rationalize any thought no matter how absurd.

  50. Tenacity Says:

    “Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” Ron Paul

  51. sdee Says:

    an excellent essay about what we up against and the suicide of playing nice

    “”I Still Hate You, Sarah Palin
    The Republicans bring a knife to a gunfight, and lose again.””

  52. sdee Says:

    what happens when we don’t “respect the Muslim world”. Coming to a free corner of your town soon.

  53. ryansgrammy Says:

    Just read this on Canada Free Press — why in the heck does MO need 22 employees — what a joke. Not to mention the creation of all of the Czars that Obammy has arranged. Where is the money for all of these new positions coming from–I doubt they were part of the budget. I’d love to read the resumes of some of these people.

  54. ryansgrammy Says:

    Didn’t know if this was posted yet about Federal Judge denying Citizen Grand Jury Presentment.

  55. rosettasister Says:

    Tehrani says:
    30 juni 2009 om 21:05 June 30, 2009 at 21:05

    Rajavi is een progressieve moslim, die ouderwetse Koranverzen betreffende rechten van vrouwen, erfrecht, strafrecht aan de kant heeft gezet en daar heeft zij hoge prijzen voor moest/moet betalen.

    Rajavi is a progressive Muslim, who fashioned Quran Verses on women’s rights, inheritance, criminal law on the side and has put it high prices had / has to pay.

    U weet best dat volgens het fundamentalisme mag je de Koranverzen niet veranderen, maar Rajavi zegt dat volgens de filosofie van Koran mag je dat wel veranderen, want de MENS staat centraal in Islam en de MENS mag zelf weten wat goed en wat slecht is.

    You know that fundamentalism Quran Verses you can not change, but Rajavi said that the philosophy of Quran that you may be changing, because people is central to Islam and MAN should know what is good and what is bad.

  56. rosettasister Says:

    blunt dog says:
    30 juni 2009 om 21:09 June 30, 2009 at 21:09

    Ik vermoed dat Tehrani daar een andere mening over heeft
    I suspect that there Tehrani has a different view

    Maar wat ik denk: deze Sea of Green heeft zoveel Menschen samen op laten trekken.

    But what I think: this Sea of Green has much to draw people together.

    Slimme studenten, carrierevrouwen, oude vrouwen, winkeliers, linksen, geestelijken, verzetsstrijders, computernerds, nette dames, intellectuelen, journalisten, filmmakers, dichters, schrijvers, muzikanten… te veel om op te noemen.

    Smart students, career women, old women, shopkeepers, left, church, resistance, computer nerds, smart women, intellectuals, journalists, filmmakers, poets, writers, musicians … too many to mention.

    Ik vermoed dat we hier het nieuwe Iran zien, een brede coalitie van allerlei grassroots bewegingen, daarvan getuigt ook de modus operandi (kleurenrevolutie).

    I suspect that we see here the new Iran, a broad coalition of many grassroots movements, it is also the modus operandi (color revolution).

    En als dat klopt, dan zal er een Iran ontstaan dat ook weer gegrondvest wordt op vele stromingen.

    And if that is true, then there will be an Iran that arise again founded on many streams.

    Tehrani heeft zich enorm ingespand om ons van info te voorzien.
    Tehrani has been immense building to us for info.

    Nooit heeft hij zijn visie aan de anderen opgedrongen en ik durf wel te stellen dat hij zich hier op de site, moslim zijnde, heel goed thuis voelt.

    Never has his vision to others forced to do and I dare say that he is here on the site, being Muslim, very comfortable.

    Deze beweging heeft iets in haar ziel wat verschillen tussen Menschen irrelevant maakt.

    This movement has something in her soul some differences between people is irrelevant.

    Ieder Mensch heeft het vermogen iets dat echt Goed is te herkennen.
    Every Man has the ability something that really is good to recognize.

    parasympathic: demonstrations in Iran havnt stopped & neither should we #iranelection

    half a minute ago from web

  57. rosettasister Says:

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  59. sdee Says:

    “Where is the money for all of these new positions coming from”

    had a look at your checking account lately Grammy? 😉

  60. sdee Says:

    when I grow weary of travel in Obama’s Wonderland, a visit to Rev Manning is sometimes just what the doctor ordered 🙂

    “The white folk ain’t gonna take it no more – thank God”

  61. Troy Says:

    sdee, what is the code to make the Smiley 🙂 with a black eye?

  62. Troy Says:


  63. Troy Says:

    nevermind…it’s a wink smiley…the smileys have changed a little.

  64. rosettasister Says:

    Hon. James David Manning, PhD made Barack Obama make a statement about Michael Jackson death. He also says Obama is worse than Michael Jackson because he kills babies.

  65. rosettasister Says:

    Take for example in French fight against burqa

    Babel Fish Translation:

    What is the function then of a parliamentary and public debate?

    That is the heart of democracy.

    Without a public debate there no democracy exists.

    Thus, the radical Moslems radicalise because they hate democracy.

    Then does democracy have adapt to the haters of democracy?

    To fight

    The concept national security in a democratic establishment means correctly the protection of democracy against the enemies of democracy.

    Which the national security wants guarantee by the suppression or restriction of democratic debates and disagreements, in fact our maatschappijvorm raise.

    Then we are just real in danger.

    Fitna do not endanger us.

    What us endangers, is our manner of living: freedom of opinion expression, freedom of religion, equality and the democratic principles.

    The enemy must we in short fight and not to step.

    That does good the french.

    There are possible information services our and drivers much of learn.

  66. sdee Says:

    “why in the heck does MO need 22 employees”

    Why Grammy – didn’t ya know they are needed to keep her fed.

  67. rosettasister Says:

    The Storm Ahead

    At the moment, there is evidence of some panic, as Iranian leaders are exporting their wealth.

    Meanwhile, the American Government was sending conflicting signals to Tehran.

    On the one hand, it seems that Obama will be going to the upcoming G8 conference with a request that there be no new sanctions on Iran.

    This comes at a time when the Europeans, for the first time, seem inclined to get at least a little bit tougher on the mullahs, and it effectively demolishes the myth that this administration intends to do anything to support the Iranian people in their life and death struggle for freedom

    (perhaps this should not surprise us; after all, Obama’s 4th of July message did not contain the word “freedom,” but it did talk a lot about his own legislative proposals).

    At the same time, Vice President Joe Biden three times said the United States would do nothing to prevent an Israeli attack against Iranian nuclear targets.

    So apparently we’re prepared to let the Israelis do our dirty work. A real standup sort of policy.

    UPDATE: A great video on the Iranian uprising. Notice the many women with uncovered heads.

    (see below)

    UPDATE II: The 3-day strike.

    Apparently the regime was so worried about the strike that they shut down most factories, businesses and offices.

    This is another sign of regime insecurity.

    And Mousavi today (Monday) received several distinguished visitors, including Khomeini’s grandson.

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    Good night, good people!

  71. j.b. Says:

    CJ Says:

    July 7, 2009 at 8:46 pm
    Wow Rose, re Neda videor, we truly are living thru the looking glass. ………. I’m definitely on overload mentally with all this chaos that Obama has wrought. Yikes.

    That’s The Plan, CJ. They got you right where they want/need you. I ‘ve been there, too. Just this week.
    Get mad, instead. Go purchase and hang on your porch or in your yard a; ” DON’T TREAD ON ME” flag. We replaced our American Flag, ON The Fourth, with one. It felt great! Neighbors hate it. Makes ME/US HAPPY!

  72. j.b. Says:

    Um, just in case any of you are wondering; YES! Hot Fudge is DELISH on Blue Moon Ice Cream!

    Carry on.

  73. j.b. Says:
    This might piss some of you off……..

  74. KoolAid_Free_Lexi Says:

    Obamanation (music video)

  75. sdee Says:

    This morning’s essay from Scipio – worth a read.

  76. sdee Says:

    Nothing good will come of this. Watch now as our Leftist regime suddenly finds religion.

    Pope Champions a New World Order

  77. Troy Says:

    NWO coming to a neighborhood near you.

  78. Troy Says:

    j.b. Says:

    July 8, 2009 at 4:39 am
    This might piss some of you off……..
    J.B., this should help clear things up for you.
    The First Time I Heard Of Barack

    by DefendUSx July 06, 2009 15:27

    By Tom Fife

    During the period of roughly February 1992 to mid 1994, I was making frequent trips to Moscow, Russia, in the process of starting a software development joint-venture company with some people from the Russian scientific community. One of the men in charge on the Russian side was named V. M.; he had a wife named T.M.

    V. was a level-headed scientist while his wife was rather deeply committed to the losing Communist cause – a cause she obviously was not abandoning.

    One evening, during a trip early in 1992, the American half of our venture were invited to V. & T.’s Moscow flat as we were about to return to the States. The party went well and we had the normal dinner discussions.

    As the evening wore on, T. developed a decidedly rough anti-American edge – one her husband tried to quietly rein in.

    The bottom line of the tirade she started against the United States went something like this:

    “You Americans always like to think that you have the perfect government and your people are always so perfect. Well then, why haven’t you had a woman president by now? You had a chance to vote for a woman vice-president and you didn’t do it.”

    The general response went something along the lines that you don’t vote for someone just because of their sex. Besides, you don’t vote for vice-president, but the president and vice-president as a ticket.

    “Well, I think you are going to be surprised when you get a black president very soon.”

    The consensus we expressed was that we didn’t think there was anything innately barring that. The right person at the right time and sure, America would try to vote for the right person, be he or she black or not.

    “What if I told you that you will have a black president very soon and he will be a Communist?”

    The out-of-the-blue remark was met by our stares. She continued, “Well, you will; and he will be a Communist.”

    It was then that the husband unsuccessfully tried to change the subject; but she was on a roll and would have nothing of it. One of us asked, “It sounds like you know something we don’t know.”

    “Yes, it is true. This is not some idle talk. He is already born and he is educated and being groomed to be president right now. You will be impressed to know that he has gone to the best schools of Presidents. He is what you call “Ivy League”. You don’t believe me, but he is real and I even know his name. His name is Barack. His mother is white and American and his father is black from Africa. That’s right, a chocolate baby! And he’s going to be your President.”

    She became more and more smug as she presented her stream of detailed knowledge and predictions so matter-of-factly – as though all were foregone conclusions. “It’s all been thought out. His father is not an American black so he won’t have that social slave stigma. He is intelligent and he is half white and has been raised from the cradle to be an atheist and a Communist. He’s gone to the finest schools. He is being guided every step of the way and he will be irresistible to America.”

    We sat there not knowing what to say. She was obviously very happy that the Communists were doing this and that it would somehow be a thumbing of their collective noses at America: they would give us a black president and he’d be a Communist to boot. She made it quite obvious that she thought that this was going to breathe new life into world Communism. From this and other conversations with her, she always asserted that Communism was far from dead.

    She was full of little details about him that she was eager to relate. I thought that maybe she was trying to show off that this truly was a real person and not just hot air.

    She rattled off a complete litany. He was from Hawaii. He went to school in California. He lived in Chicago. He was soon to be elected to the legislature. “Have no doubt: he is one of us, a Soviet.”

    At one point, she related some sort of San Francisco connection, but I didn’t understand what the point was and don’t recall much about that. I was just left with the notion that she considered the city to be some sort of a center for their activity here.

    Since I had dabbled in languages, I knew a smattering of Arabic. I made a comment: “If I remember correctly, ‘Barack’ comes from the Arabic word for ‘Blessing.’ That seems to be an odd name for an American.” She replied quickly, “Yes. It is ‘African'”, she insisted, “and he will be a blessing for world Communism. We will regain our strength and become the number one power in the world.”

    She continued with something to the effect that America was at the same time the great hope and the great obstacle for Communism. America would have to be converted to Communism and Barack was going to pave the way.

    So, what does this conversation from 1992 prove?

    Well, it’s definitely anecdotal. It doesn’t prove that Obama has had Soviet Communist training nor that he was groomed to be the first black American president, but it does show one thing that I think is very important. It shows that Soviet Russian Communists knew of Barack from a very early date. It also shows that they truly believed among themselves that he was raised and groomed Communist to pave the way for their future. This report on Barack came personally to me from one of them long before America knew he existed.

    Although I had never before heard of him, at the time of this conversation Obama was 30+ years old and was obviously tested enough that he was their anticipated rising star.

    Tom Fife
    Now do you understand?

  79. Troy Says:

    The biggest problem for liars is when they tell so many that they can’t keep them all straight
    Obama says this HI Hospital, but Snopes says different!
    by DefendUSx July 08, 2009 01:11

    Aaaaah, it’s gotta suck when you lie so much you’re unable to keep a steady set of “facts”. Snope is no more a myth-busting site than any other White House propaganda site. Snope Obots just state what they think or would have you believe is the case on a certain topic, but back the claim with nothing at all. If Snopes were a *real* myth busting non-partisan research site, they’d definitely find problems with the birth certificate travesty among numerous other Obama crime trails.

    Snopes popped up into place with major funding just months before Obama took office, along with the other DNC sites including, and a host of others used to sway public opinion.

    For example, to “debunk” the eligibility travesty, Snopes says Obama was born at Queensville Medical in Hawaii (seem image below):

    Now, take a look at Obama’s official White House letter to another hospital in Hawaii called KapiOlani Medical. A letter Obama signed and states that he was born there and not in Queen’s Medical as Snopes is suggesting.

    Obama has used his infamous excuses before that one of his “staffers” signed off on or stated something wrong concerning his voting scheme (when he did vote, which wasn’t often). Will he use the same excuse for this obvious misstep on keeping the lies straight between everyone? If he does use this excuse, can we say everything his signature on isn’t valid?

    I think most of us know this is an obvious misstep in keeping those “lieing facts” straight between all the Obama entity organizations and what Obama is touting.

    Lawyers out there, make sure to include this one in your Dossiers.

  80. Katie Says:

    It’s getting harder to keep all the lies straight. Much as I detest the NYT, this story is linked on TexasDarlin. How many people do you know who can’t be consistent on the hospital where you’re born, or where you met your spouse?

    “Mr. Obama has seemed tired here, several times fumbling the pronunciation of Mr. Medvedev’s name and Mr. Putin’s title. Beginning a speech here, he mistakenly said he first met his wife in school instead of at the law firm where they actually met. And he misstated his younger daughter’s age.”

  81. rosettasister Says:

    9:01 AM Pacific

    Good morning, America! How are you?!

  82. Tenacity Says:

    If this was posted before, read it again.

  83. Troy Says:

    Good Mornin’

  84. sdee Says:

    Troy says: Now do you understand?

    Troy, Cherry has been saying all along that Hussein was programmed. He has also been warning about the dangers of him being too close physically to the Russians because of that programming. I can’t say I understand it all but it fits with the article you posted.

  85. rosettasister Says:

    2Presidential Approval Index
    3Strongly Approve
    4Strongly Disapprove
    5Total Approve
    6Total Disapprove

    1 07/08/2009
    2 -5
    3 32%
    4 37%
    5 52%
    6 48%

  86. Tenacity Says:

    Fife just confirmed Cherry and several other sources we’ve heard from. It’s chilling however to hear it in such a prophetic context.

  87. Katie Says:

    CJ, j.b., and anyone else who is like me and feeling like your head is going to implode…this is for you.

    Sometimes you just need a good laugh, and I do believe Lame Cherry has outdone Lame Cherry with this one.

  88. CJ Says:

    Wow even the Pope is in on it. Wonder what they have on him. Just kidding but geez. This gets more bizarre by the minute. Honestly, I think I’ve slipped into a parallel universe or something. Glad you all came with me. Where’s the door back? Anybody?

  89. Tenacity Says:

    Do you actually believe those stats. I don’t. I agree with your analysis, but do not accept these numbers as representative of national opinion.

  90. Katie Says:

    Tenacity – you think it’s really more in favor or less in favor?

    The really interesting part is looking at the overall total since 1/21.

    From a +30 to a -5 in just a little over 5 months tells me that more than a third of the country is waking up.

    Some of us never went to sleep.

  91. Tenacity Says:

    The Vatican has always been a part of the problem, not the solution. Think about it, they started out as a state religion. Are they not the model of a one world authority? Have they not sanctimoniously put themselves in between the people and God? Have they not promoted a works oriented, pay to play theosophy in contrast to the FAITH/Grace teachings of Scripture? Are they not just another self-proclaimed (de facto) infallible taxing authority?

  92. Tenacity Says:

    I see the numbers as more in favor of the S/Ob. These numbers may be accurate for isolated (urban) areas, but not for the whole country.

  93. rosettasister Says:

    Rahm raises eyebrows; Obama repeats favor of ‘public option’

    “We’re not there yet,” Baucus said. “As I’ve said many times: We’re ready when we’re ready.”

    “We have yet to make any decisions because, again, we’re not going to make any decisions on any part of it until we have a complete agreement,” said Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-Maine), the originator of the public option “trigger” proposal. “Everything’s a possibility in terms of reaching an agreement.”

    In both the Ways and Means and Finance committees, lawmakers also remained at work trying to figure out how to pay for their healthcare reform bill as Obama and congressional leaders have promised.

    In the vacuum of information about what programs Democrats would cut and what taxes they would raise, the three House committees with jurisdiction were forced Tuesday afternoon to issue a statement blasting media outlets for reporting that the healthcare bill would cost $1.5 trillion over 10 years.

    But even that statement included an acknowledgement that House Democrats still don’t know how much their bill costs or how they plan to pay for it.

    “The three House committees are still working to develop legislation and have not yet received a score from CBO on the discussion draft,” said a statement from the panels’ press secretaries. “As the three chairmen have made clear, our healthcare reform legislation will be paid for and we’re still considering revenue options.”

    The Finance Committee has been considering taxing some people’s workplace health benefits, but Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) said they had cooled to the idea after looking at polls and hearing from constituents over the July 4 recess.

    But capping the tax exclusion on health benefits is still “being discussed,” Baucus said. “That’s one of the items, yeah.”

  94. Tenacity Says:

    I am reminded of the humorous Rabbi comment, “How did we ever let this business get out of our hands?”

  95. sdee Says:

    “Mr. Obama has seemed tired here, several times fumbling the pronunciation of Mr. Medvedev’s name and Mr. Putin’s title. Beginning a speech here, he mistakenly said he first met his wife in school instead of at the law firm where they actually met. And he misstated his younger daughter’s age.”
    Katie, these are the sort of signs that Cherry warns betray Husein’s programming. Interesting it happened in Russia. He also was reported as a no-show to any public dinners or receptions the last night of his visit.

    All sounds and bit weird – but does anything at all make sense any more?

    Remember: “Just because we are paranoid does not mean they are not really out to get us” 🙂

  96. sdee Says:

    This just on Drudge. It made me think of the Rev Manning video I posted above.

    Fed up yet?

  97. CJ Says:

    j.b. re getting mad. I’ve been hopping mad since the usurper came on the scene and seeing right through his shiny exterior to what lurked inside. the black cloud of locusts following him and doing his dirty work seemed so visible to me and yet so many people fell to the ground in worship of him. I just couldn’t grasp why they did so and I still can’t. He’s as easy to see and understand and yet so many didn’t/haven’t yet. What I haven’t been so far is truly believing this is happening right here right now. Everyday it gets worse. I’m doing what I can— and the flag idea is a good on by the way—but I still get blind sided when some of this stuff come out. I will never give up on my country. Just trying to figure out how to best fight the good fight. Can’t help it though, I still feel like I am no longer in the world I was born in. Thanks!

  98. Katie Says:

    sdee – Cherry has amazing insight and connections, and I’ll never forget reading the first article about the programming.

    Since then, I have observed exactly what Cherry stated. You can watch the eyes hood over, look inward, and appear to be reading an internal screen.

    A bit weird is an understatement. Downright creepy and dangerous is still an understatement.

  99. CJ Says:

    Tenacity: Agree about the Vatican. They do have a nefarious past on a lot of things not at all in the best interests of Catholics. That being said, I have to fess up that I am a Catholic born and bred, but I do not practice my faith in the Church. I do believe in the basics of Christianity and always will, but think it is Christ and God who direct me, not the church hierarchy. Well, on second thought, maybe I’m not a Catholic anymore but I still think I am in my heart. I loved John Paul and I don’t think he would have said what this guy did. He was Polish and knew the meaning of freedom and sovereignty. Current Pope is a German and that maybe the link for all this talk of nwo from him. Love the Rabbi comment!

  100. CJ Says:

    Katie: Lame Cherry is a most fascinating read. I can’t figure him out but I enjoy reading his blog. On one hand he seems to have so much practical knowledge/information and on the other he speaks in very mystical ways such as his conversations with God where he actually hears answers. It truly is a paradox but extremely educating and entertaining to read. I tune in everyday.

  101. jrinNC Says:

    Louisiana congressman introduces bill that would force any member of Congress who votes in favor of government-run health care to enroll themselves in the program. More Constructive Obstructionism in Action

    Now that is what I’m talking about. They should be MADE to sign up first.

  102. Troy Says:


  103. sdee Says:

    on one hand he seems to have so much practical knowledge/information and on the other he speaks in very mystical ways

    when I first started reading that blog I thought there were two writers running it. 🙂

    Regardless just too may things I read there first have come to be – not always precisely the way laid out but close.

    Another writer i noticed had unusual insight into the enigma we call Obama, and his place in global finances, well before he emerged as the Dem candidate was Spengler (now known as David P Goldman).

  104. jrinNC Says:

    I contacted every Rep for my state that voted for the cap and trade and asked them to change their vote before the deadline of that Wed. I only heard back from one of them and here is what they said:

    “On June 26, the House of Representatives passed a piece of legislation that stands to make monumental improvements in our nation’s energy policy. I voted in favor of H.R. 2454, the American Clean Energy and Security Act, because it represents the best interests of our country. It strengthens our economic future, severely limits all associated costs to consumers, reduces our national debt, protects our lands and natural resources, enhances our national security, and ensures that generations to come may enjoy the earth as we have.

    This legislation will create well-paying American jobs by promoting advances in green energy technologies. It will reduce harmful greenhouse gas emissions that contribute to climate change and degrade our air quality, and will make our nation more secure by reducing our dependence on foreign oil. Although there will be moderate costs associated with H.R. 2454, it is clear that the cost of inaction will be far greater.

    The world’s earth scientists have joined in overwhelming consensus to report on the rapid progression of climate change and the potentially disastrous consequences of inaction. Knowing that the opportunity and the tools that we need to avoid this are available to us right now, I cannot in good conscience shirk my responsibility to look after the best interests of our district and our country. As a Christian, I know that the course laid out within H.R. 2454 will ensure that we act as good stewards of God’s earth and that we care for the wonderful creation with which He has blessed us. As a representative and a native of Western North Carolina, I know that this bill will result in the preservation of our greatest economic, social, and cultural resources-our forests, our rivers, and our wildlife. These treasures draw millions of people to our area for hunting, fishing, camping, hiking, and general recreation; and our economy and way of life depend on them. As a father, I know that this legislation will give us the ability to resolve one of our most urgent problems, instead of leaving it behind for our children to fix. They will have their own challenges to meet someday, and I will not force them to deal with mine as well.

    My decision to support this bill was not an easy one. Any legislation this comprehensive, far-reaching and revolutionary must be carefully and thoroughly examined. The House of Representatives has spent a considerable amount of time reviewing and amending this legislation and has sought the input of consumers, energy producers and distributors, industry, farmers, state and local governments, and climate scientists. I am pleased that such great care and time was taken in crafting and improving this legislation during months of negotiations with all stakeholders involved. H.R. 2454 is the result of earnest compromise.

    For decades, our nation’s leaders have been shortsighted and unwilling to face the reality that America’s energy policy has taken the country off course. They have turned a blind eye to glaring and obvious problems in the way we produce and consume our energy. Rather than setting priorities and making difficult decisions, they have chosen to ignore their responsibilities and force future generations to bear the costs of their inaction. Our reliance on foreign oil has put us at the mercy of unfriendly and unstable governments, creating a threat to our national security. Our failure to increase energy efficiency, reduce consumption, and account for all pollution associated with energy generation has harmed our environment and weakened our standing as an economic and moral world leader.

    However, with the passage of this critical legislation, we will begin to pay our own debt and relieve the financial and environmental burdens we have already placed on our children and grandchildren. By passing this legislation, we move toward greater energy independence and reestablish national sovereignty. No longer vulnerable to the unfriendly nations abroad that we have appeased for so long to meet our energy needs, we will have more freedom to dictate our own national policy, set our own economic agenda, and regain our place as the leader in a global economy.

    H.R. 2454 reduces the amount of carbon that electric utilities, oil refiners, and certain industries can emit. Emitters that surpass their allowed limit will have to pay for each additional ton of carbon they release by purchasing carbon credits, or “allowances”. This portion of the bill will guarantee that we meet the carbon-reduction goals determined by a consensus of earth scientists in order to avert the most damaging effects of climate change. It will also generate the revenues that will be used to keep energy costs low for ratepayers, protect domestic industries, invest in clean energy technologies, and drastically improve the energy efficiency of our homes, office buildings, electricity transmission systems, and vehicles.

    The carbon reduction system utilized in H.R. 2454 is very similar to a policy put in place in 1990 by President George H.W. Bush that successfully reduced nitrogen oxide and sulfur oxide in the atmosphere. This policy resulted in a drastic decrease in acid rain, which threatened to cause severe harm to our forests.

    H.R. 2454 also includes a renewable electricity standard (RES) which requires electric suppliers to gradually increase their use of renewable energy sources and enhance their energy efficiency. By 2020, large utilities will have to generate 15% of their electricity from renewable sources, which include biomass, solar, geothermal, wind, landfill gas, and certain hydroelectric projects. They will also have to improve their efficiency by 5%, bringing their total requirements to 20%. States that have less access to renewable energy sources and more potential to increase their efficiency have the option to meet 8% of the overall goal with efficiency upgrades instead of 5%. North Carolina may very well be eligible for this option.

    As the first state in the southeast to institute its own RES, North Carolina has been a leader in the region in terms of encouraging clean, renewable energy and energy efficiency. North Carolina has also positioned itself to excel in the new energy economy that would be promoted under H.R. 2454. Since 1998, jobs related to the clean energy economy in our state have grown by over 15%, while jobs in the rest of the economy have seen only a 6% increase in growth. Western North Carolina in particular has seen a dramatic increase in the number of businesses that are participating in the green energy economy and are putting our people to work building solar panels, producing biodiesel, and upgrading our homes to increase efficiency and lower our energy costs.

    Under H.R. 2454, North Carolina would receive billions of dollars to promote clean energy and efficiency, which will encourage tremendous growth in our green industries. Currently, North Carolina imports the majority of its energy from other parts of the country in the form of coal. H.R. 2454, however, would provide the tools necessary to increase our in-state energy production and put more North Carolinians to work.

    Other nations have instituted similar policies that are reshaping their economies. Germany has become a world leader in solar power, not because it is the sunniest nation but because its government has strongly supported the technology. China is making great strides as well, thanks to its policies that promote green energy production. The United States is entering the industrial revolution of our generation, and we must not sit back while our global competitors capitalize on this new opportunity.

    I know that many are concerned that this legislation will cause their taxes and their energy bills to rise, at a time when money is tight. This was a great concern of mine when this legislation was first drafted, as well. The bill does not increase any state or federal taxes. Thankfully, after several rounds of negotiations, improvements to this bill were made to ensure that cost to consumers was drastically reduced.

    The Congressional Budget Office, a nonpartisan organization responsible for determining the cost of federal legislation, has found that the bill in its current form will increase the average energy cost to ratepayers by less than 50 cents per day. These calculations do not take into account the savings that consumers will receive from the multitude of energy efficiency programs included in this bill that will help cut down utility bills. Some estimates show that cost increases to North Carolina ratepayers will be far lower than the national average. Also, the Congressional Budget Office has determined that this bill will not increase the deficit, and will in fact reduce the national debt.

    I thank you for contacting me concerning H.R. 2454. I know that everyone will not agree with my decision on this vote, and I want you to know that I did not take this decision lightly. I truly believe that this is the right thing to do for Western North Carolina, for our children and grandchildren, and for our country.

    Please check my website at for continued updates on this and other issues, and do not hesitate to contact me again. As always, it is an honor to serve you in the United States House of Representatives.


    Heath Shuler

    Member of Congress”


    It is a shame that so many of our reps and senators have been totally hoodwinked by the lies the current administration is disseminating.

    I am like everyone else on here – I am so disgusted and so heartbroken over where our nation is headed.

    How Long Do You Think It Will Be Before We Have Rioting In Our Streets????????????????????????????????????????????

  105. Katie Says:

    I couldn’t get past the blah blah blah after the third paragraph. The ‘justification’ is almost as long as the actual bill.

    Pure BS. Um, can someone tell me exactly WHEN and WHERE climate ISN’T changing??? We’ve got records that go back, what? a whole 130 years? Anybody know what July 8th was like 10,000 years ago? You know…before George Bush ruined the world?

    Anybody? Buhler? Hello??

  106. sdee Says:

    JR, I have seen the same back from my reps in eastern NC. Republicans are just a bit more wishy washy than than the Democrats. NC is sadly headed down the same path as California. The liberal socio-political elite is now deeply nested in the Triangle area and can count on the rural democrats and unemployed.

    I do not believe these politicians have been hoodwinked – they know exactly what they are doing. The crap in that letter is convenient rationalization for our benefit. Politicians remain parasites and for them, the Energy Tax and Health Care are than the mother lode of tax streams and Lefist government control – a Siren’s call for politicians red and blue.

    Indeed it is up to the people. The Second American Revolution is inevitable – the question now is what form it will take.

  107. sdee Says:

    JR, one interesting sleight of hand in Health Shuler’s letter is this:

    “I know that many are concerned that this legislation will cause their taxes and their energy bills to rise, at a time when money is tight. This was a great concern of mine when this legislation was first drafted, as well. The bill does not increase any state or federal taxes. Thankfully, after several rounds of negotiations, improvements to this bill were made to ensure that cost to consumers was drastically reduced.”

    What Heath is trying to avoid saying that low income earners will receive cash from the US government to cover their increased utility bills. So if you are a tax payer, not only will your energy costs go up so will your taxes to pay the utility increases of appx 65 million Americans.

    Ain’t you so proud of our boy Heath?

  108. jrinNC Says:

    Yeah sdee – I know he has been totally blinded. By why waste my breath pointing out all his errors. Bottom line – it just is not going to make a difference in the House. All that can be done now is GET EM OUT OF THERE. But remember, I am eastern NC too. I just contacted all the REPS in NC who voted for the Cap and Trade to get them to change their vote. I got thru to them by e-mail if they accepted from other than their districts or I telephoned them. My Rep Walter B Jones voted NO.

  109. jrinNC Says:

    You’re right Katie – I about fell out when I saw how long his BS response was.

  110. Troy Says:

    jrinNC Says:
    July 8, 2009 at 6:13 pm

    It is a shame that so many of our reps and senators have been totally hoodwinked by the lies the current administration is disseminating.
    Hoodwinked???….I think not!!!….Every last single one of them in DC know full well that global warming and Crap & Tax is a giant scam put in place to pilfer money from the public….It was part of the “spend and tax” plan from the start….And guess what else….It’s going to pass the senate!!!!….You wanna know how I know that?….It’s bacause it HAS to!!!
    It is the only means the crooks have to pay for all the bogus bullshit that they have been shoveling….As Biden said, “Mark my words” the Crap & Tax Bill will pass the senate and they are all in on it…..So take that!!!!
    As patriotic Americans it is our duty to learn and recite this line as we bend over and spread ’em; “Thank you sir, may I have another”!!!!

    Heil Hitler!!! 😦

  111. KoolAid_Free_Lexi Says:

    jrinNC Says:
    July 8, 2009 at 6:13 pm

    I contacted every Rep for my state that voted for the cap and trade and asked them to change their vote before the deadline of that Wed. I only heard back from one of them and here is what they said:

    “On June 26, ………………….. earth as we have.

    Blah blah, blah blah blah. Bunch more filler BS BS BS BS. I dream of licking B/O’s feet. Fool for my Partay … blah blah …… avoiding Nan Piglois’ whip. Safe word safe word safe word, Master. Yada yada yada ….


    Heath Shuler

    Member of Congress”


  112. KoolAid_Free_Lexi Says:


    Heath Shuler

    Member of Congress”

  113. Troy Says:

    The U.S. Gubmint has become a giant succubus and is led by husband and wife lycanthropes…..They are slurping up the life blood of the American people and evry night seems to be a full moon. 😦

  114. Tenacity Says:

    I sent out an email asking for feedback on

    Here is one response from one of the brightest & most knowledgeable patriots I know:

    I doubt that repealing the 17th Amendment will have any effect.

    The 16th Amendment should be repealed (actually it should simply be disregarded, as apparently it was never ratified). But, even so, that would not cut off the General Government from funding. The GG can be funded entirely through the FRS (by monetizing debt), or directly through the Treasury (through emission of irredeemable Greenbacks). Also, what would stop the GG from enacting a national sales tax, or VAT, or some other “excise” that does not need the 16th Amendment for validity?

    native currency at the State level, and State Militia, are the only answer. Because, until the States are self-sufficient in these matters, their ability to challenge the GG is effectively non- existent

  115. Tenacity Says:

    Tenacity Says:
    July 8, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    I see the numbers as more in favor of the S/Ob. These numbers may be accurate for isolated (urban) areas, but not for the whole country.
    Katie, I may have answered your question backwards. I see the poll numbers as too favorable. I do not believe a majority in the country as a whole sees S/Ob in a favorable light.

  116. Troy Says:

    I was beginning to wonder about that one, Ten….I’m certain they hype the numbers up in his favor also….They always have…..I would lean towards 60% disapproval / 40% approve.

  117. sliderblaze Says:

    Gallup, approv. 56%, almost at election levels

    Shep smith showed his true colors today. Talked about Palins book deal. No mention of him going to read it, what book would he like to read….. Levi Johnsons if he rights one, said in a tone that makes me believe that Shep Smith hopes there will be a scandal from it. I dont like that dbag

  118. Troy Says:

    Foreword to Contempt Citation to Congress

    Citizens of the United States of America are advised and requested to read and to take to heart the matters exhibited in the Citizens “Contempt Citation of Congress.”

    Members of Congress have removed themselves from direct responsibility to the voters and as such, have become ineffective representatives of the people, designing to develop a government form which is of their own imaginations.

    This citation lays out grievances and matters which lead to the citizens of America holding congress in contempt.

    When American citizens appear before the elected servants (a position which they have forgotten) such citizens fear being held in contempt of congress. We, as citizens and voters, should make congress fear being held in contempt by the American people.

    We did not vote to give our country away to foreign citizens, nor did we vote to ignore our constitution, nor did we vote to change our form of government to socialism.

    This citation is not a joke. It is not meant to be funny. It is written using language with which members of congress are familiar.

    As a citizen of the United States of America please take its points to heart and elect the butcher, baker, farmer, teacher, preacher, mother, or whomever is honest and trustworthy in your community or congressional district. Don’t elect another professional politician to represent your interests in Washington, D.C.

    Stand up and take back our country from those who would ruin and destroy it. Take it back from those who feather their own nests thinking that Americans are disinterested and won’t notice what the elected politicians are doing.

    Time is short. Get started now.

    Congress in Contempt of the Citizens of the United States of America

    Whereas, the citizens of the United States of America hold the members of the Congress of the United States of America in contempt, this declaration by sovereignty of the citizens of the United States of America and the several states of the United States of America is presented.

    The members of congress, both senators and representatives have failed to uphold the oath of office and therefore should be removed from their elected offices. The members of congress have positioned themselves as rulers over the citizens whom they were elected to serve. The members of congress no longer seek the will of the people, who elected them, substituting their own opinions and judgments for the wishes of the citizens of the United States of America.

    Among the several crimes committed by members of congress against the United States of America and its citizens include, but are not limited to:

    1. Supposing to pass laws oppressing the citizens, but exempting the members of congress.

    2. Establishing retirement plans and benefits for members of congress superior to plans available to the citizens.

    3. Passing tax laws which impose excessive burdens on the citizens without seeking approval from the citizens whom elected the members of congress.

    4. Passing legislation without knowledge of the content of such legislation.

    5. Opposing the citizens, by refusing for decades in order to satisfy their own political agendas, to pass meaningful energy legislation.

    6. Restricting progress for the United States by refusing to represent the citizens in opening opportunities for oil and gas exploration. By such action congress has given favorable treatment to an ill-informed minority of citizens.

    7. Passing legislation which furthers an agenda to socialize the government of the United States of America. The Constitution does not define such a form of government and any action by congress to socialize the government of the United States of America is a violation of the Constitution and the members’ oath of office.

    8. Supposing to pass legislation giving away rights and privileges of citizens to foreign citizens without proper legal authority.

    9. Interference in the protection and security of the citizens by withholding funds from military actions.

    10. Protecting members of congress who have participated in illegal activities and are complicit in financial schemes which harm the United States of America.

    11. Passing laws requiring banks to violate sound lending practices and procedures, thereby leading the United States of America into financial crisis.

    It is here ordered by the citizens of the United States of America, who hold all members of congress in contempt, that all members of congress resign their positions. Failure to do so, will be answered by the citizens’ dismissing such members of congress by popular vote at the appointed times of election.

  119. Troy Says:

    sliderblaze Says:
    July 8, 2009 at 11:08 pm

    I dont like that dbag
    Shep is a kool-aid drinkin,’ pickle puffin’, Anderson Cooper wannabee!!!

  120. jrinNC Says:

    Alright folks, What will be the breaking point for everyone to take back our country???? I have talked until I am blue in the face. Everyone agrees, but when you ask them to do things to help they back off. So – what is it going to take in your opinions.

  121. Troy Says:

    what is it going to take in your opinions.
    It’s going to be bloody….When Cap & Steal is passed in the senate people are going to take to the streets, Iran style…..When the gubmint fires the first shot it will be all over…..The people WILL shoot back!!!!

  122. rosettasister Says:

    Thanks for carrying on!

    I have been preoccupied.

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