Just Say “No” To Reconciliation Instructions



I’ve mentioned before that in terms of public debt, there’s more than one way to look at these numbers. I’ve been quoting recent CBO projections of – 13.1% for FY 2009 and – 9.6% for FY 2010.

The following looks at the same problem using a different set of criteria. The main thing is to compare apples to apples, so to speak. And I hope I’ve done that.

Debt-to-GDP ratios may not get a lot of public attention, but economists follow them closely as a good indicator of economic health.

The Truth-O-Meter Says:


Gregg has repeated one statistic over and over to make his point: that Obama’s budget plan would increase the national debt to 80 percent of gross domestic product.

“Seventeen trillion dollars worth of debt at the end of 10 years, $11 trillion at the end of five years,” Gregg said. “This translates into a debt-to-GDP ratio which we have not seen in this country since the end of World War II when we were trying to pay off the war debt. Basically, you take national debt up to about 80 percent of gross national product. That’s the public debt. Historically, it’s been about 40 percent.”

At 80 percent, Gregg has been fond of saying this week, the United States would be getting into “banana republic” territory.

Historical Context


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Table 7. Major Accumulations and Decumulations of Government Debt

(as a Share of GDP, in Percent), Historical Episodes

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Figure 10. Public Debt-to-GDP ratio (in percent), Selected Countries, 1875–2007

Check out the Debt-to-GDP ratio for Japan in Figure 10 (link above).

Japan’s debt burden, already the world’s largest, will probably spiral to 197 percent of GDP next year (2010), according to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.

This is where I fear we’re headed.


I do applaud the efforts of Evan Bayh (D-IN) and Ben Nelson (D-NE) in reducing the Stimulus, voting against the Budget, blocking Cap and Trade for now and slowing comprehensive health care reform, again, for now, and hope that their coalition can slow the Obama agenda.

See also:


Reaction to the Obama proposal from Congress has been swift, fierce and bi-partisan. “This is just about economic suicide,” said Rep. Mike Rogers (R-AL), who predicted it would “kill manufacturers.” A coalition of 33 senators, including eight Democrats, sent a letter to Budget Chairman Kent Conrad (D-ND) and Ranking Member Judd Gregg (R-NH) urging them not to include cap and trade under budget reconciliation, a fast-track process which would require only 51 votes to pass, instead of the 60 needed to avoid a full public debate.

Reconciliation Instructions


Setting forth the congressional budget for the United States Government for fiscal year 2010 and including the appropriate budgetary levels for fiscal years 2009 and 2011 through 2014.


(Sec. 201) Sets forth reconciliation instructions for the Committees on:
(1) Energy and Commerce;
(2) Ways and Means; and
(3) Education and Labor.
Authorizes the House to direct the House Clerk to add at the end of a health care reform bill or an education investment bill, subject to these reconciliation instructions, the text of another such measure as passed by the House to form a single engrossed reconciliation bill. Title III: Reserve Funds –

From thinkprogress

April 12, 2009

53 Responses to “Just Say “No” To Reconciliation Instructions”

  1. JAC Says:

    I have an announcement 🙂
    I think most of you know the one I call Hubby…. Him (Bill) and I aren’t actually married … well that is going to change… we are getting hitched May 22 on his birthday……

  2. goferit Says:


    Somebody had to be first!

  3. goferit Says:

    Not first!

    CONGRATULATIONS JAC! Best of luck. You seem to have passed through the hard first years.

  4. JAC Says:

    Thanks goferit
    We had a September wedding planning but the flood put everything on hold… We just decided to do it..

  5. KoolAid_Free_Lexi Says:

    Oh that’s great news. Congrats!

  6. rosettasister Says:

    Here’s some groovy music for a groovy wedding.

    Well, maybe just a groovy evening.

    [audio src="http://mondomix.com/Publish/podcast/31/froots-radio-may09.mp3" /]

    [audio src="http://mondomix.com/Publish/podcast/30/12_3_09mondomixexperience.mp3" /]

  7. Katie Says:

    Here comes the bride…congrats JAC! Wishing you a long and happy life together 🙂

  8. ryansgrammy Says:

    Congrats on your upcoming marriage JAC — much happiness.

    More comments about how those who participated in tea parties were mistreated by liberal media. http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2009/04/msm-journalism-and-the-tea-bag-protest-msm-mockery-of-middle-class-america-and-arrogance-of-fools/

  9. patriotamy Says:

    Congrats JAC — grab life by the horns and wring as much happiness as you can!!

    Wish you all the best..

  10. zenstorm Says:

    HEY JAC, Fantastic news!!! in a time of doom and gloom you should be so lucky to have someone who is offering to be a part of you for ever….theres nothing better in this life than that…..its what its all about, Love. congrats, and dont worry about it being what you may have thought before the flood….the best weddings are the real ones…less stuff and hullabaloo…more love… May God be smiling down on you both, Susie

  11. ryansgrammy Says:

    Axelrod was on Face the Nation today sort of saying our tea parties were unhealthy. Was reading through comments posted under the article and this one was grabbed me:

    So let me get this straight.
    La Raza organizing protests to support illegal aliens = Good for the country
    ACORN staging protests and subverting the voter registration process = Good for the country
    Various liberal groups protesting military actions in the war on terror = Good for the country
    Code Pink disrupting congress and vandalising Marine Corp recruiting stations = Good for the country
    People taking to the streets to defend the Constitution and runaway government spending and taxation = Unhealthy

  12. Troy Says:

    This is something I predtctyed long long ago….Of course it wasn’t much of a prediction since it’s only common sense.
    Hat-tip to Probie who gives this information:

    Don’t know about 9/11 conspiracy, but do know from DC source that an Administration team is working on perfecting a forgery of the long-form birth certificate. They plan on presenting it in a a month or so. The source is FBI agent who has drinking buddy from University of Illinois now in the Administration. Its second hand, but the source is supposed to be solid.

    They have already prepared the forgery with special paper and ink. The document was printed on a fully functional 1960 Heidelberger printing press located at a print museum in Toronto. Access was arranged by a trustee of the museum who is connected to a large Canadian banking/investment firm with major US interests.

    The blanks in the forged form were filled in with an old Underwood Manual typewriter bought at an estate sale in Skokie, IL. The raised seal was the easiest piece to fake, since you can by a special order corporate seal from just about any online office supply store.

    The only reason they haven’t rolled out the foregery yet is that it is “seasoning” under mild UV light and a back and forth rotation between between a humidifier and a sauna. Get ready….one to two months tops.
    I also said they’d have to get a 1960s Printing Press, and indeed, by this information, looks like they found one.

    The banking connection is disturbing too, gives more credibility to this also. The details here are solid.

    Obama visited Canada not that long ago, anyone know if he went to Toronto?

  13. Troy Says:

    Congrats JAC

  14. Troy Says:


  15. CJ Says:

    Not surprised Troy if this is true re faked bc. All his other records will be forged or conveniently lost/destroyed. It was way too late when somebody didn’t insist on his bc eligibility requirements during the campaign. What I don’t get is why no underground ops went on to secure this info for the good guys. It seems OB and friends have held the winning hand for the last 2 years. Our only choice is grass roots movements to get the Congress changed in 2010. Then boot OB in 2012. I think I’ll not listen for a week to any news anywhere if this comes out. Can you just imagine the gloating and viscious glee that we will have to hear? Just once I’d like to see some positives for our side.

  16. KoolAid_Free_Lexi Says:

    “ryansgrammy Says:

    April 20, 2009 at 2:27 am
    Axelrod was on Face the Nation today sort of saying our tea parties were unhealthy. Was reading through comments posted under the article and this one was grabbed me:

    So let me get this straight.
    La Raza organizing protests to support illegal aliens = Good for the country
    ACORN staging protests and subverting the voter registration process = Good for the country
    Various liberal groups protesting military actions in the war on terror = Good for the country
    Code Pink disrupting congress and vandalising Marine Corp recruiting stations = Good for the country
    People taking to the streets to defend the Constitution and runaway government spending and taxation = Unhealthy”

    We’re just the newest scope goats Ginny. We’ll probably be blamed for the “crisis” Ho Biden spoke of and I expect justification for brown shirts and perhaps marshal law. That Garafolo person is even trying to start a race riot across the US IMO.

    My son who is so far left that I couldn’t see him if I stood as far center left as possible watched 1 vid in which someone shouted “burn the books” and decided all the protesters are nut-so. I also got the feeling he thinks the tea party is a new political affiliation, not a reference to the 1773 tea party.

    He’s a completely godless man and commented that he would blame the Dr when induced labor abortion failed to kill the child. He wouldn’t take a direct stand on the issue of BO not supporting a bill to give those babies medical care.

    He’s 29, the intellectual type and always blames someone else for his failures. He’s pretty much unemployed, a filthy pig, smokes weed as much as he can. Thinks it’s a basic necessity even. Lets his insurance lapse, his dog go without basic medical care and hygene unless I push him or pay for it myself. Lost the home my grandmother gave him. The loan was less than $70 a wk. and now he lives with his mom — me.

    His wife who is of the same ilk lives w/ her father in Mass. They auction for estates. My understanding is things clients don’t know about often just disappear. What I’m saying is that if the hiers don’t know some items even exist, they are fair game to this father and daughter team.

    They are as liberal as liberal can get and big fat hypocrites leaches that preach freedom, fairness and justice — to live as leaches that is.

    I thank God they have no children.

    The good news is, and this may help, he’s learned to tread very lightly and doesn’t push my buttons to far. He knows I don’t need him. He needs me.

  17. Troy Says:

    On the evening of the day that Captain Phillips was rescued from the pirates, I posted here that Obama was a big fat liar….I had seen an interview on Fox News with a military official that let the cat out of the bag about Obama being an effing pussy cat in regards to the hostage situation…..The military official didn’t give out all of the finer details that we now know of, but he did drop enough hints to figure out what really occured…..I also already knew that Obama was going to lie to make himself out to be a hero and try to milk it for all it was worth….That was why I posted my somewhat colorful rant….The funny thing was that the early revealing interview was never repeated again by Fox and certainly never aired by any other MSM….Obama makes me want to hurl chunks!!!

  18. CJ Says:

    Katie: Re Your comment from the previous thread about the passport issue and video: I passed that along on another blog and got reprimanded because it was from last year and highly suspect as to what it was all about and therefore misleading. Of course I apologized as I didn’t look at the whole date, just saw the April 19 part. So I don’t really know if it’s valid info or not. If it is, it’s just one more mysterious case that has unknown ties to Obama and his gang of merry men. I just wish we had some good PI’s on our side that could have dug in to all these wonderful leads and turned up the truth and evidence about all the misdeeds that have happened during this whole cycle of badness that has enveloped our country. It is a spiral into darkness and I see no light to guide us out anywhere yet. We need truthful, irrefutable info and credible leaders to change the game to our favor. Hope it happens soon.

  19. LadyTexan Says:

    Not that it’s any big surprise, but……..



    BTW…. Congrats JAC!!

  20. CJ Says:

    Troy: Do you know if that fake bc information has been forwarded to Polarik? Just wondering what his response might be.

  21. Troy Says:

    All of the wonderful tea parties, past and future, are great, but I’m afraid that it’s going to take much more to turn things around….The current administration also agrees and is the reason for the latest DHS report that labels the majority of the country as “right wing extremists”…..They know that at some point they are going to have to deal with us….They are laying down the ground work for justifying their actions against us when we finally have no other option, but to use more convincing measures to get the point across.

    BTW, remember when Biden said that when the “generated crisis” happens, that it wouldn’t be obvious that they know what they are doing?

    I said, many moons ago, that the new administration was going to turn it’s back on Israel….That’s what Biden was talking about….They are going to serve Israel up on a silver platter to Obama’s muslim buddies.

    Anyone want to make any wagers on this?….Just sit back and watch in amazement as it all unfolds and after we all pick our jaws up off of the floor, take a good look around to see if you can find anything left that even slightly resembles our country.

    Also, the recent better news that we are shown in the stock is all a manufactured scam to make our new brlliant leaders (sarc) look better….Right after the election all of the banks/mortgage holders were asked by the White House to NOT process anymore foreclosures until when notified otherwise….Well, the multiple thousands of foreclosurers that have been sitting on ice are getting ready to be processed….Keep your eyes and ears open for this…..By the end of the year (probably by end of summer) we will be existing in an entire new realm….These are just my opinions and how I see things playing out…We’ll see.

    Oh BTW, did I mention that our new leaders are selling twelve unmanned military drone aircraft to Lebenon ?….Hmmmm….Whatcha think?…..Lebenon = Home of Hezzbolah


  22. Troy Says:

    CJ Says:

    April 20, 2009 at 4:04 am
    Troy: Do you know if that fake bc information has been forwarded to Polarik? Just wondering what his response might be.
    I’m not sure, but I got the info from Orly’s place and I think the she and Polarik are in contact….I can’t say for sure….I’m certain that Polarik totally expects this to happen….He didn’t just fall off the turnip truck.

  23. Troy Says:

    Everyone, keep your eyes on Goldman Sachs very carefully.

    http // atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/04/citibank-and-goldman-sachs-to-set-up-in-iran.html

    Here is a new site that will be continually releasing mind boggling info about Goldman Sachs…..Get to know these people and what they are up to…..The man, Mr.Morgan, who is giving out this new info on Goldman Sachs in an insider to the industry and has VERY good connections….He will be exposing who and what these people are….IT”S NOT GOOD!!!


  24. Troy Says:


  25. Troy Says:

    Another imformative article from Dr. Kate.


  26. zenstorm Says:

    im going out on the limb here and wondering if Im drastically wrong on my views, but I as of late, have felt like obama wants America to be attacked…..for it we are hit by either a dirty bomb, or something that carries the weight of destroying at least one major city in America, than obama will certainly be put into extreme rule. such a catastrophe would cripple America just enough to throw all the anti obamas back. We would be at his mercy in more ways than one. And you can bet that his complete an utter take over would be swift and nasty. during a major crisis of that nature, possibly the death of hundreds of thousands, obama would be in a position to strangle any group not in his favor…remember the emerald quote of taking advantage of a crisis.
    So to sum up, I think obama wants America to be attacked, just enough for his advancement to dictatorship.He sure seems to be inviting disaster….hes a scary evil man and he must be taken care of soon…I think we are headed for serious and irreversible trouble with obama at the helm…….he scares me more than any cold war or other threatening dictator ever did…..hes starting to scare me more than the “h” man from WWII.

  27. Troy Says:


  28. JAC Says:


    Oh I think we will be attacked…. the question is. will it be a sneak attack from within disguised as a terror.
    My opinoin,…. don’t ask me why but I have a feeling if an attack does happen it will aimed at a nuclear power plant.

    off to work……. ttyl

  29. Katie Says:

    CJ Says:
    April 20, 2009 at 3:35 am

    Katie: Re Your comment from the previous thread about the passport issue and video: I passed that along on another blog and got reprimanded because it was from last year and highly suspect as to what it was all about and therefore misleading.
    CJ – I saw that interaction w/ TD. What it doesn’t include is that (while the date of the article about Lt. Harris’ murder is 4/19/08) the rest of the stories on the page are current.

    So is the date typed incorrectly? Is the story 1 yr. old and someone is reminding us about it on the anniversary? Is another MSM newspaper blatantly in the tank and playing around with the info.?

    Any of the above is disturbing.

  30. rosettasister Says:

    Good morning, America! How are you?!

    This is from earlier this morning.

    Declassified CIA memos on Interrogation – – Advantage who? With Bill Bennett

    Fran Townsend, former adviser on Homeland Security and Counterterrorism, mines the subtext behind Attorney General Eric Holder’s release of memos on interrogation techniques used to pry information from high value detainees captured in our war on terror.

    [audio src="http://ht.salemweb.net/townhall/audio/mp3/ae17b7f8-8752-4bd0-9097-60b011d92e8a.mp3" /]

  31. rosettasister Says:

    Gen. Hayden on ‘FNS’

    Former CIA director says release of so-called ‘torture memos’ makes America ‘less safe’

  32. rosettasister Says:

    Sens. McCaskill, Graham on ‘FNS’

    Leading senators on president’s opening to Cuba, taxpayer tea parties

  33. rosettasister Says:

    Health Care Reform Still a Delicate Dance

    April 20, 2009


    Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), a key player on health care reform given his close relationship with Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Chairman Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.) and his seats on the HELP and Finance panels, said in a statement that Republicans are committed to working with Democrats to improve health care access and quality. But Hatch’s outstretched hand also came with a warning.

    “I, along with my Republican colleagues, stand ready to work across the aisle on this important issue,” Hatch said. “I call on those Democrats who have not already openly rejected partisan budgetary tactics, to stand up and make their voices heard against reconciliation, so we can move forward in an inclusive way to bring about comprehensive health care reform.”

    Democrats, for their part, aren’t shutting the door on using reconciliation to try to get sweeping health care reform done this year. If included in the final budget resolution, reconciliation instructions would allow the Senate to advance health care legislation with a simple majority vote of 51 Senators.

    Kennedy spokesman Anthony Coley said his boss was retaining the right to use the procedure.

    “Our first preference is to continue to work with our Republican colleagues on this effort, and if bipartisan talks don’t produce desired results, then reconciliation would be an important measure to have,” Coley said.

    The Senate’s budget resolution passed without reconciliation for health care, but the House-Senate conference report is expected to include it.

  34. rosettasister Says:

    Lawmakers get back to work on fiscal 2010 budget blueprint
    CongressDaily April 20, 2009


    The most difficult issue will likely be whether to include reconciliation instructions, which the House included for healthcare and education legislation. The Senate version does not include reconciliation.

    “It’s not a problem you can split the difference on,” said Jim Horney, who served as deputy Democratic staff director for the Senate Budget Committee from 2001 through 2004 and is now director of federal fiscal policy at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. “I think there will be discussions that will involve the conferees, the leadership and the White House,” he added.

    Congressional Democratic leaders and the White House have called for keeping reconciliation as an option, which they can use to get Republicans to the negotiating table or proceed without their support, as passage only requires majority support.

    Democrats’ use of reconciliation will likely depend on the level of support Senate Democrats would provide. During Senate debate, many Democrats supported Republican amendments, including a proposal, passed 67-31, to prohibit the use of reconciliation for a carbon emission cap-and-trade bill.

    “You really need to know where the votes are before you finalize it, because you certainly do not want to not to be able to pass a conference report” for the resolution, said Rich Meade, House Budget Committee chief of staff when former Rep. Jim Nussle, R-Iowa, ran the panel. “I don’t think failure is an option,” said Meade, who is now a managing director with BSKH & Associates.

  35. rosettasister Says:

    A Lefty Perspective

    This Week On The Hill


    For starters, there’s the FY10 budget. The House passed its version, so did the Senate, and now negotiations for the final bill begin. Expect to hear continued talk about whether to include “reconciliation instructions” which would allow the Senate to pass the bill with a simple majority, instead of needing 60 votes. Another issue will be whether to include an absurd Senate amendment to cut the estate tax


    for the wealthiest Americans.

    One of the biggest disappointments of Senate budget debate was the approval — by a vote of 67-31 — of a Republican amendment to prevent reconciliation from being used for a cap-and-trade bill. Good luck finding 60 votes to pass any proposal with teeth. In the House, Reps. Henry Waxman and Edward Markey will give it their best shot, and we’ll hear some of their ideas this week as the House Energy and Commerce Committee holds four days of hearings on Waxman and Markey’s draft


    of energy/climate legislation — the American Clean Energy and Security Act.

  36. rosettasister Says:

    By Lee Bechtel, NHF National Lobbyist
    April 10, 2009



    The Senate is a different story.

    Under parliamentary procedures with reconciliation language, only 51 votes are needed to end a filibuster instead of the usual 60 votes.

    With 58 members, Harry Reid and Ted Kennedy can afford to lose 7 of their own, not counting any Republican Senator support they might pick up along the way to offset such losses.

    The Democratic leadership – with White House approval – is using the legislative tactic of needing only a simple majority rather than a super majority to pass a national health-insurance law.

  37. rosettasister Says:

    (Let’s see … should we believe Gregg or Orszag?)

    “They are going to play games,” said Mr. Gregg, the senior Republican on the Budget Committee, “and ultimately they are going to add it to the deficit.”

    Obama’s Revenue Plans Hit Resistance in Congress


    In adopting a pair of budgets that House and Senate negotiators hope to reconcile in the next few weeks, Congressional Democrats put off the tough questions of how to pay for the president’s chief priorities.

    But those budgets require that initiatives in health and energy be “deficit neutral” within a matter of years. That requirement, coupled with the opposition to the financing options pushed by the White House, has many lawmakers and senior aides predicting that Congress will have no choice but to take aim at taxing employer-provided health benefits, which now remain tax-free no matter how generous.

    Senator Max Baucus, a Montana Democrat and chairman of the Finance Committee, has indicated that he is open to taxing some high-value coverage plans, and Mr. Conrad has said he also suspects that taxing high-end plans will ultimately have to be part of the health care equation.

    But Mr. Obama campaigned against the idea of taxing health benefits when his Republican opponent, Senator John McCain of Arizona, proposed it during the presidential campaign. Just the other day Robert Gibbs, the White House press secretary, said that the president remained opposed to the idea and that it could run contrary to his pledge not to raise taxes on Americans earning less than $250,000 a year.

    Any effort to dip into employer-paid health benefits, then, could put the Democratic-controlled Congress at odds with Mr. Obama or force him into a stark reversal, both unattractive options.

    Given the difficulties in finding a way to pay for health care, and given the extended time that Democrats have allowed themselves before money to pay for it must catch up with the spending, Senator Judd Gregg of New Hampshire predicts that Democrats will not pay for it at all or will use gimmicks to mask the costs. “They are going to play games,” said Mr. Gregg, the senior Republican on the Budget Committee, “and ultimately they are going to add it to the deficit.”

    But Democrats say they are committed to finding ways to pay for a significant health care overhaul, as well as a new energy policy and other Obama initiatives.

    Administration officials say there is a tremendous amount of money to be found in savings gained through changes in health care delivery and information technology, and such savings will reduce the revenue Congress must find.

    “By combining Medicare and Medicaid savings and these game-changing efficiency improvements with some additional revenue,” said Mr. Orszag, the president’s budget chief, “I think a deficit-neutral health care reform is eminently doable.”

    (Deficit-neutral, my ass!)

  38. rosettasister Says:

    Gregg uplifted after yes-no on Cabinet

    GOP senator takes up top role as budget critic


    Unlike many of his fellow Republicans, who have resisted personalizing their quarrels with the popular new president, Gregg has been happy to put Obama’s face on the disagreement. One recent visual aid Gregg displayed on the Senate floor featured a large version of Obama’s formal portrait, juxtaposed unfavorably against the visages of 42 other presidents who Gregg claimed had generated less federal debt combined than the current one will.

    “He’s said all the right things, but his actions are the opposite,” said Gregg. “They’re doing it consciously, they know what they’re doing, and I’m opposed to it,” he added, referring to Obama’s administration.

    Obama’s $3.5 trillion budget passed the Senate earlier this month largely along party lines, but when the Senate reconvenes from its recess next week, Gregg, the ranking Republican on the Budget Committee, says he will not stray from his insistence on fiscal discipline.

    Gregg says his priorities will be working on the healthcare system, and rewriting the tax code and financial-sector rules. Gregg says he fears that Congress will overreach in imposing new regulations on financial institutions, as he says it did in 2002 when imposing the Sarbanes-Oxley rules on corporations.

    “I expect to be an aggressive player on a lot of big issues for a foreseeable future,” said Gregg, who is participating in various bipartisan working groups while insisting that his party present its own agenda so that the public can see an alternative. “We’re not going to pass any of this. Hopefully, we can affect what comes out of the Senate.”

  39. rosettasister Says:

    Gingrich slams Obama over Chavez


    But Gregg told MSNBC’s Morning Joe Monday that while Chavez is “not a strategic threat,” Obama’s greeting of him is “not a good way to start your presidency.”

    Gingrich on NBC’s Today Show that Obama’s warm greeting of Chavez was “proof that Chavez is now legitimate, is acceptable.”

    And Ensign called Chavez “one of the most anti-American leaders in the entire world. He is a brutal dictator and human rights violations are very, very prevalent in Venezuela. And you have to be careful.”

    Gingrich first raised the issue on Friday, the night Obama and Chavez first met at a reception.

    “I think it sends a terrible signal to all of Latin America, and a terrible signal about how the new administration regards dictators,” Gingrich said on Fox, also citing Obama’s willingness to talk to Iran, his handling of North Korea and overtures to the Castro government in Cuba. “I don’t think there’s any downside to talking to him. But I think being friends, taking a picture that clearly looks like they’re buddies hurts in all of Latin America.”

  40. rosettasister Says:

    Apologies if already posted.


    April 19, 2009

    Barack Obama And Hugo Chavez Long Chat At Summit, Alot More Than A Handshake

  41. rosettasister Says:

    (This story is a year old, but it’s “news” to me.)

    Key witness in passport fraud case fatally shot


    A key witness in a federal probe into passport information stolen from the State Department was fatally shot in front of a District church, the Metropolitan Police Department said yesterday.

    Lt. Quarles Harris Jr., 24, who had been cooperating with a federal investigators, was found late Thursday night slumped dead inside a car, in front of the Judah House Praise Baptist Church in Northeast, said Cmdr. Michael Anzallo, head of the department’s Criminal Investigations Division.

    Cmdr. Anzallo said a police officer was patrolling the neighborhood when gunshots were heard, then Lt. Harris was found dead inside the vehicle, which investigators would describe only as a blue car.

    Emergency medics pronounced him dead at the scene.

    The Washington Times reported April 5 that contractors for the State Department had improperly accessed passport information for presidential candidates Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton, Barack Obama and John McCain, which resulted in a series of firings that reached into the agency’s top ranks.

    One agency employee, who was not identified in documents filed in U.S. District Court, was implicated in a credit-card fraud scheme after Lt. Harris told federal authorities he obtained “passport information from a co-conspirator who works for the U.S. Department of State.”

  42. rosettasister Says:

    Don’t forget to pause BlogTalkRadio first.

    Sunday, April 19, 2009

    Latest to Question Obama Eligibility: Talk Legend Barry Farber Goes On the Record


    EC interviews NYC radio legend Barry Farber,


    whose recent article asking “Where’s the birth certificate?” is creating quite a stir.

  43. rosettasister Says:

    More on Bob Bauer


    To: palmer; LucyT; Candor7

    “I pointed out last fall that the Vitter case allows campaign funds to be used for all kinds of legal cases including (in Vitter’s case) lawyers fees for cases unrelated to the election”

    Not only is that a patently false statement and misrepresentation of the case, it is also meant to obfuscate Obama’s highly unethical, if not outright illegal, use of campaign finances to subvert the Constitution and to deny the individual rights it grants to citizens.

    It also happens to be typical leftist avoidance behavior: any time anyone mentions Obama’s illegal activities, say something that Bush or another Republican politician did and make it sound just as bad, as if “two wrongs make a right.”

    The FEC ruled that Vitter could not use $160k in campaign funds to offset his legal fees from the DC Madam lawsuit. The FEC did, however, allow him to claim $38k in legal fees relating to (a) when his subpoena lawyer consulted with Vitter and his media relations staff regarding news management and news statements; (b) for his subpoena lawyer’s legal consultations with his lawyer working with the Senate Ethics Committee, and (c) for some miscellaneous expenses.

    Perhaps more noteworthy are the statements made by the FEC Democrats. They said that Vitter should not be able to use campaign funds to pay for legal fees in his attempt to quash the subpoena or monitor the Palfrey trial, saying those expenses had nothing to do with his status as a senator.

    “Allowing Vitter to use his campaign funds would be giving a green light to lawmakers to use campaign funds to pay for divorce lawyers or lawyers to represent them in other cases where they might face bad publicity,” Commissioner Ellen Weintraub said.

    I’m sure that Ms. Weintraub would also mention the Vitter case when confronted with Obama’s campaign finance bailout to Bob Bauer. Let’s see what happens when this complaint lands in the lap of the FEC.

    “To put it plainly, these expenses are the result of some pretty unofficial activities.”

    SOURCE: http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/byauthor/253948

    102 posted on Sunday, April 19, 2009 10:10:11 AM by Polarik

  44. rosettasister Says:

    The Tax Day Tea Party a huge SUCCESS!! Gov, media shocked and speechless!! (FReepathon thread VIII)


  45. rosettasister Says:


    To: happinesswithoutpeace

    Perkins Coie 688,316.42

    It’s the name of Bauer’s law firm. Look at the letter sent by Bauer to Hememway on PERKINS COIE stationary:

    103 posted on Sunday, April 19, 2009 3:37:03 PM by Polarik


    To: DrC

    We should file complaints with the FEC and the Senate Ethics Committee.

    104 posted on Sunday, April 19, 2009 4:51:26 PM by Polarik

  46. rosettasister Says:

    51% View Tea Parties Favorably, Political Class Strongly Disagrees


  47. rosettasister Says:

    It looks like people are making up their minds about Obama. These numbers rarely add up to 100%



    55% Approve

    45% Disapprove

  48. rosettasister Says:

    Polarik — “Walden is a lying sack of sh*t.”


    To: LibertyRocks
    I downloaded the entire annual report of 2008 expenditures. I’ll search it and let you know how much was spent from June to December

    71 posted on Sunday, April 19, 2009 7:12:17 PM by Polarik



    “So, the amount he’s paid to ALL attorneys is unknown?”
    No, not yet. I’ve got Obama for America’s 2008 annual report of expenditures, all 1,547 pages worth. I’m going to do a search through it tomorrow.

    79 posted on Sunday, April 19, 2009 8:13:17 PM by Polarik


    Can anyone confirm or verify whether or NOT ZERO Obama still is a Member of the Bar in Illinois or any other Bar in the “57” States and or D.C.? There is documentation that Michelle gave up her License only 5 years after receiving it
    in order to prevent further proceedings. Information appears to demonstrate that Mr. Obama is no longer a member of the Bar. If that is true, and it may well be not, it may have serious significance! ZERO and his Associates are spending tons of Millions to hide ZERO’S $13.50 Birth Certificate, while the DNC ran Sen. McCain thru the wringer on HIS Legitimate One and his 13,000 pages of medical history verses ZERO’S single one paragraph Doctor’s note.!
    Something stinks the High Heavens! and it aint Greenhouse Gases!:-(

    42 posted on Saturday, April 18, 2009 6:31:10 PM by True Republican Patriot


    To: True Republican Patriot
    ZERO has been inactive after 1995, I think.

    80 posted on Sunday, April 19, 2009 8:15:57 PM by Polarik


    To: LucyT; little jeremiah; null and void; Calpernia; Candor7; BonRad; STARWISE
    OK, here’s the yearly totals on legal fees for CY2008.
    Candidates campaign committees have to file monthly reports to the FEC disclosing their disbursements, plus addition reports for PRE-GENERAL (ELECTION), POST-GENERAL (ELECTION), AND YEAR END (COMPILED JANUARY 2009 FOR 2008)
    Bauer, via Perkins/Coie, received $312,000 for June thru December 2008, and 77k according to the post-general report (10/16 to 11/24).
    Added to the $688k for the Jan to Mar 2009, and BINGO! you have a well over $ONE MILLION DOLLARS OF CAMPAIGN FUNDS going to Bauer to fight eligibility lawsuits.

    107 posted on Sunday, April 19, 2009 9:25:38 PM by Polarik


    To: Polarik
    Have you seen this?
    You’re prominently mentioned in this piece in Front Page Mag article.

    83 posted on Sunday, April 19, 2009 8:57:39 PM by Red Steel


    To: Red Steel

    Yeah, I did. Walden is a lying sack of sh*t. I responded to his nonsense nine times, not once, and I never, ever, said on video or anywhere else, that my name is a pseudonym. I tore him to shreds the first time he barfed up this same balony on FR. I bet him to prove what he said about the COLB, and he chickened out.

    85 posted on Monday, April 20, 2009 5:31:07 AM by Polarik

  49. rosettasister Says:


  50. rosettasister Says:

    If you liked the two podcasts I posted yesterday, you might like this, too.


  51. CJ Says:

    CitizenWells blog has the whole story up about the supposed coming fraudulent birth certificate. Very interesting to say the least. Katie, thanks for the info re the post about the passport break in. If that’s true, and it is new stuff coming out, then that is really scary. Where are our investigators who can go get the truth? Do we have no friends in the CIA or FBI? A reporter who hasn’t sold out to the Obama team? Someone?

  52. j.b. Says:

    Katie Says:

    April 20, 2009 at 4:12 pm
    CJ Says:
    April 20, 2009 at 3:35 am

    Katie: Re Your comment from the previous thread about the passport issue and video: I passed that along on another blog and got reprimanded because it was from last year and highly suspect as to what it was all about and therefore misleading.
    CJ – I saw that interaction w/ TD. What it doesn’t include is that (while the date of the article about Lt. Harris’ murder is 4/19/08) the rest of the stories on the page are current.

    So is the date typed incorrectly? Is the story 1 yr. old and someone is reminding us about it on the anniversary? Is another MSM newspaper blatantly in the tank and playing around with the info.?

    Any of the above is disturbing.

    That whole date thing threw me too, katie. The fact that the other stories on the page being current. I have read on other blogs people’s recollections of the story from last year and it did prompt a vague memory of my own. I just was not as in tune at that time. I believe the story has been re-released to give it traction. By whom, I (obviously) don’t know. The fact remains, A(nother) MAN Is DEAD.
    Disturbing to say the least.

  53. rosettasister Says:

    New Thread:


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