House adopts plan for ‘volunteer’ corps — Also requires new evaluation of ‘mandatory’ service for all



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The U.S. House of Representatives has approved a plan to set up a new “volunteer corps” and consider whether “a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people” should be developed.

The legislation also refers to “uniforms” that would be worn by the “volunteers” and the “need” for a “public service academy, a 4-year institution” to “focus on training” future “public sector leaders.” The training, apparently, would occur at “campuses.”

The vote yesterday came on H.R. 1388, which reauthorizes through 2014 the National and Community Service Act of 1990 and the Domestic Volunteer Service Act of 1973, acts that originally, among other programs, funded the AmeriCorps and the National Senior Service Corps.

It not only reauthorizes the programs, but also includes “new programs and studies” and is expected to be funded with an allocation of $6 billion over the next five years, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

Many, however, are raising concerns that the program, which is intended to include 250,000 “volunteers,” is the beginning of what President Obama called his “National Civilian Security Force” in a a speech last year in which he urged creating an organization as big and well-funded as the U.S. military. He has declined since then to elaborate.

WND reported when a copy of the speech provided online apparently was edited to exclude Obama’s specific references to the new force.

43 Responses to “House adopts plan for ‘volunteer’ corps — Also requires new evaluation of ‘mandatory’ service for all”

  1. rosettasister Says:

    To: goodnesswins

    You should see the furious editing that took place to change the word “camp” into “campuses” to hide the intent. They mean to conscript people, force them into “camps” and “re-educate” them. The word “cadre” appears in the bill as well. The fools doing cut and paste from the commie instruction books missed that little detail.

    77 posted on Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:48:40 PM by Myrddin

    To: livius

    Where does “cadre” appear? I haven’t found a copy of the whole thing. Thanks.
    It appears in Subtitle E, Section 1509 Permanent Cadre. Also Section 1506 Training includes a reference in Coordination with Other Entities.
    The Section 1509 reference also includes renaming the Civilian Community Corps Demonstration to the National Civilian Community Corps Program. There are multiple references to “permanent cadre” in this section.

    151 posted on Friday, March 20, 2009 8:47:03 AM by Myrddin

    To: Myrddin
    What about careers disrupted such that you don’t earn enough to pay your mortgage while conscripted into involuntary servitude?
    Vety few kids have mortgages.
    Those that go will get hussein to pay for them.
    With your money

    101 posted on Friday, March 20, 2009 1:43:37 AM by bill1952

    To: bill1952
    If you look carefully, there are provisions to rope senior citizens into the process. Many of those seniors may still be paying on a mortgage.

    152 posted on Friday, March 20, 2009 8:48:16 AM by Myrddin

  2. NEConservative Says:

    found this vid recommended by ace of spades:

  3. rosettasister Says:

    Video: Congress, Geithner knew about bonuses on March 3rd

  4. rosettasister Says:

    Natural Born Citizens

    March 20, 2009

    What perturbs the rest of “us” is that President Obama has failed to produce a legitimate birth certificate. He has a team of lawyers who are opposing the examination of his sealed records in Hawaii. What he produced was a certificate of live birth (which some believe to be altered) not a birth certificate. The rest of “us” are appalled at the lack of media examination surrounding the fact that there is no law requiring that a candidate for the highest office in our land produce an authentic birth certificate which proves natural citizenship.

    Anyone who is concerned about this issue and wants to pass legislation requiring that future candidates for the office of President be required to prove their US citizenship, need only go to

    and be part of the solution. Jibes such as Taranto’s should not pass as journalism and should not warrant “our” attention. But sometimes “we” must stand up for what is right.

  5. rosettasister Says:

    Obama: the only US president to be sued

    By Mark S. McGrew

    Part 1:

    Part 2:

    An interesting aspect of this entire affair is that this article and previous ones that I have written are first published in Russia’s Pravda.Ru service. Dr. Orly Taitz, the attorney making the most headway in the American Courts is a Russian immigrant to America.

    And the small town in Idaho, where she was finally able to present her case to the highest Justice of the highest court in America, is named “Moscow”.

    Mark S. McGrew can be reached at

  6. Tenacity Says:

    Okay sports fans,
    Colorado took a huge step in the right direction last evening. Our patriot coalition meeting exceeding my expectations. We had key players present from the top 8 organizations in the state, all of whom spoke and all are on board to coordinate efforts. Communication channels are now solidly established. We even had several strong players present.

    I was sitting in the restaurant with other organizers at the meeting after the meeting and happened to mention to the WTPC State coordinator that he should have Gary Fielder speak at his SW Colorado meeting. One of our guys says, “did you know he was here tonight?” We go, “What?” He whips out his card and throws it in front of us. He says, “you know the guy that stood up and said how he thought we were on the right track and said his name was Gary?” FYI: Fielder is the lecturer in It is just now really beginning to sink in what we accomplished last night. I am so excited. With this coalition, our group now numbers in the thousands. We have a broad, knowledgeable and well connected foundation to work from. Time is of the essence and follow up communications are critical.

  7. Tenacity Says:

    Everyone loves your site. You will likely get a lot of hits today. There is probably more people from Colorado looking at your site right now than from Indiana. We are working on our site now. Any feedback or suggestion you have are much appreciated. Did you use a template?

  8. rosettasister Says:

    Isn’t Mark S. McGrew the guy who guest hosted for MommaE?

    Anyway, in case you were curious what Momma was up to:

  9. rosettasister Says:

    Could someone please post JAC’s main page?

    Thank you!

  10. rosettasister Says:

    Bill offered by Sens. Gregg, Lieberman, aims at reducing wasteful spending, deficit

    New Hampshire Sen. Judd Gregg and Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman have introduced legislation aimed at reducing federal spending.

  11. Katie Says:

    Here’s a comparison between the usurper and Gov. Palin if there ever was one. Palin’s video was done days ago (before the usurper had to recharge his dying “I won” battery on Leno’s show.)

    You can also take the aol poll that shows almost 90% of voters think it was a lousy thing to say.

  12. Katie Says:

    rosettasister Says:
    March 20, 2009 at 4:47 pm

    Could someone please post JAC’s main page?

    Thank you!

  13. jc Says:

    Congratulations. It sounds like Colorado is going in the right direction. I miss Colorado. We lived there many years ago. I had a beautiful view of Pikes Peak out my front window. My first child was born at the USAFA hospital. Those were good days.

  14. Katie Says:

    Tenacity Says:
    March 20, 2009 at 4:38 pm

    Okay sports fans,
    Colorado took a huge step in the right direction last evening.
    Guess we had a celeb in the group and didn’t know it. 🙂

    Mark Dorn approached me afterward to tell me he was impressed w/ my impromptu presentation. I have no idea why that impressed him…but he gave me his contact info. and I believe Tenacity helped light some patriot fires that have been smoldering for a long time.

  15. rosettasister Says:

    Mark Steyn with Hugh Hewitt

    Listen here:

    After a replay of Mark Steyn, Hugh talks politics with Young Gun Guy Benson, Ed Morrissey of Hot Air, and humorist/columnist/blogger/author James Lileks.

    [audio src="" /]


    Mark Steyn on AIG Freddie’s Congressional nightmare on Elm Street


    HH: We begin this Thursday as we do those Thursdays when we are lucky with Columnist To the World, Mark Steyn. You can read all of Mark’s material at Mark, as a self-confessed demographics bore, I’m sure you read the USA Today story yesterday that American births hit their highest level ever this year in 2007. What did you make of that?

    MS: Yeah, well I’m pleased to hear it, because I think what matters in any society is human capital. And I think the wish to maintain generational solidarity is actually part of the survival instinct for societies. My enthusiasm for the birthrate is modified to some degree by the fact that those kids and grandkids as yet unborn are going to be stuck with a hell of a tab for the mess this administration is getting us into. So in a sense, I think the generation being born right now are going to, if things carry on in the present way, are going to be living in smaller homes and driving smaller cars, if not in basement flats and getting on the bus every morning. But I would hope that by the time they reach majority, things will be a little better for them.

    HH: They are in essence our credit card, and we are spending freely on the limit that they’ve given us.

    MS: Well, there are no limits. You know, it’s basically, we look on our children and grandchildren as a credit card without limit, and we all come pre-approved. That’s the essence of it, and I think that’s disgusting, and I think it’s disgraceful.
    I think these unprecedented levels of deficit unseen, depending on how you calculate it, unseen since either World War II or the Civil War, are a moral outrage.
    And if people had any sense, they’d be far more annoyed about that than the comparative nickel and dime bonuses of some no-name vice president at AIG.

  16. JAC Says:

    Thank you….. yes it was a provided template from the site itself.

    They can borrow anything they want from the site,…
    I tinkered around a lot with the mission statement to make it more truely reflect what our goals are…

  17. rosettasister Says:

    Hey, JAC!

    The link is not in your name any longer.

  18. rosettasister Says:

    Please watch this! Rick Santorum on Fox talking about the Dems trying to push through more and more spending with only 51 votes in Senate instead of 60.

    Partial transcript (not accurate):

    Oh I think you know given the amount of money now that we’re looking to say I mean at. I was stunned by this number this morning I’m stunned by that

    that the two point six trillion dollar number

    ($2.6 Trillion Deficit?!!! Is this for FY 2009 or FY 2010?)

    I’ve done and a couple of ways. That the OMB and the the folks at the White House had to know this number was substantially more than the one point seven they were talking you think this unhappy. But last week. And so they’re passing all this huge spending increase and — knowing full well that their budgets get their deficits going to command substantially higher anyway this is. This is really reprehensible behavior on the part of the Obama and — what you’re suggesting is that the White House knew all along. They that this didn’t happen last week admitted that they knew that they they’ve been looking at the numbers coming — they know the revenue numbers they’re looking at the projections they see the outflows of what the — would be under the spending bill and they had to know that the budget was substantially higher than the one point seven that they were saying it was yes they do senator thank you Rick Santorum you.”

  19. rosettasister Says:

    Deficit Forecast to Hit $1.8 Trillion This Year — FY 2009 Deficit from 1.2 Trillion to 1.8 Trillion – Haven’t seen this in terms of percent of GDP yet (previously at 12.3 percent now God only knows)

    • MARCH 20, 2009, 12:01 P.M. ET


    WASHINGTON — The Congressional Budget Office revised its forecast for the U.S. federal government’s budget deficit to $1.8 trillion for the current fiscal year, according to a congressional aide.

    The CBO is slated to release its revised estimate of the federal government’s fiscal position later Friday.

    Its previous estimate was for a deficit of $1.2 trillion.

    Democrats in Congress are readying President Barack Obama’s budget for preliminary votes next week. Mr. Obama’s figures are in line with CBO’s for the current year but slightly lower for 2010.

  20. rosettasister Says:

    U.S. budget deficit to hit 1.8 trillion dollars this year: CBO

    The U.S. federal budget deficit is expected to top 1.8 trillion dollars in the current fiscal year, which ends on Sept. 30, 2009, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimated on Friday.

    The CBO-estimated red ink is even higher than the 1.75 trillion dollars expected by the Obama administration for the current year.

    For the next fiscal year, which starts on Oct. 1, 2009, the CBO forecast a budget deficit of around 1.4 trillion dollars, about 200 billion dollars more than what the Obama administration had predicted.

    The latest figures were briefed by Capitol Hill aides in advance of the official release later Friday.

    The deficit figures are driven higher by costs of the 700- billion-dollar financial bailout package and diving tax revenues stemming from the deepening recession.

    U.S. federal budget deficit soared to 569 billion dollars in the first four months of the current year, marking the highest on record for this period.

  21. JAC Says:


    computer crash…… still trying to get everything back in …..
    I was lucky I was able to go into safe mode and backup everything…..(all 160 gigs) the only thing I lost is my favorites (booksmarks) for some reason it exported an empty file…

    So haven’t lost contact… just going nuts installing all my programs again.

    web addy is back in my name 🙂

  22. JAC Says:

    It happen to Troy last week,….. me yesterday…..
    so back up your stuff…. I think it is a nasty virus that attacks main system files…

  23. inspirational1 Says:

    Did anyone see this video Obama made especially for the Muslims of the world especially IRAN…hmmmm

    Wishing them happy new year..EID
    Did he make a special video for China for chinese new year?
    I really think he is a muslim in hiding. Watch out America…
    see how fluently he recites the Urdu at the end…hmmm
    didn’t he say the muslim call to prayer is the most beautiful sound you could ever hear?

    Who said…that they would use this AIG plan to pass this Civilian military bill through…wow you where right on….

  24. rosettasister Says:

    Estimates for FY 2009 and FY 2010 were already at 12.3 percent and 8.0 percent of GDP BEFORE these gloomy announcements. Still haven’t found anyone reporting new percentages. It’s like nobody wants to say just how bad things are.


    Deficit Forecast to Hit $1.8 Trillion This Year (FY 2009)

    The Congressional Budget office Friday substantially downgraded its forecast for the federal government’s fiscal position, spelling gloomy news for President Barack Obama as he tries to win support for his $3.55 trillion budget request for fiscal year 2010.

    The nonpartisan congressional number cruncher said that it now expects the federal government’s budget deficit to hit $1.8 trillion in the current fiscal year, which ends in September, down from $1.2 trillion it estimated two months ago.

    Looking ahead to fiscal year 2010, the CBO said the federal government budget deficit will double to $1.4 trillion from the $700 billion it forecast in January.

    As for the president’s budget request, the CBO said it would add $4.8 trillion to the baseline deficit forecast over the next decade.

    With Republicans and even some Democrats in Congress already questioning Mr. Obama’s ambitious spending plans, the CBO revision could make the president’s job of selling the budget to lawmakers that much more difficult.

  25. rosettasister Says:

    Please take another look at this image which shows just how bad things were already BEFORE today’s dismal news.

    “Off the Deep End”

  26. rosettasister Says:

    Specter, Snowe and Collins must be feeling really proud of their lofty decision now!

    This is another way of looking at the problem, but a good indicator of conditions pre and post Obama:

    By the CBO’s estimate, for example, the nation’s debt would grow to 82 percent of the overall economy by 2019 under Obama’s policies, compared with a pre-recession average of 40 percent.

  27. rosettasister Says:


    I’d better go now before my head explodes!

  28. jrh Says:

    Has anybody noticed that this linked web page appears to have changed since the OP. I definitely recall going to that link and finding the Title VI quotes that Tucker82254 included, but they aren’t there now. Either I’m missing something or this has been changed. Anybody else notice this?

    Here’s the original post from just yesterday:

    Tucker82254 Says:

    March 19, 2009 at 2:17 pm
    US House passes HR1388 – The “Give” Act. Language includes “possible” mandatory civil service. Read it for yourself. Call and write your Senator and tell them to vote NO on this travesty to our civil freedoms!

    Title VI, Sec. 1604. Duties.

    (5) The effect on the Nation, on those who serve, and on the families of those who serve, if all individuals in the United States were expected to perform national service or were required to perform a certain amount of national service.

    (6) Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.

    Troy Says:

  29. Troy Says:

    Yeah, I noticed too…It has been changed.

  30. inspirational1 Says:

    change added to GIVE act

    H.Amdt. 48: Amendment numbered 10 printed in House Report 111-39 to create a…
    Amendment numbered 10 printed in House Report 111-39 to create a National Service Reserve Corps and requires an annual service requirement of at least 10 hours and/or annual training. A member of the National Service Reserve Corps is one who has completed a term of national service, fulfilled training, and will respond to national disasters and other emergencies. These individuals will be listed in a national database for the ease of immediate deployment in case of emergency.

  31. igaveup Says:

    when is the media going to get “outraged” over the bonuses given to obama’s friends in freddie and fannie? (rhetorical, i know)

    i’d like to see franklin raines and jamie gorelick give their salaries back.

    those companies were run to the ground.

  32. JAC Says:

    A little better 🙂

  33. Tucker82254 Says:

    jrh and Troy,

    Evidently, an Amendment was added to change the language of Title VI, Sec. 1604. Duties – which no longer exists.

    The Amendment requires “parental consent” for children to be involved in civil service.

    Looks like a slight of hand to me.

  34. rosettasister Says:

    US Chamber Readies For Battle With Obama On Budget

    Bruce Josten, the Chamber’s executive vice president for government affairs

    Josten said the Chamber hopes Congress will scuttle talk of using “budget reconciliation” – a parliamentary tactic that would allow Democrats to pass climate-change and health-overhaul legislation with only 51 votes in the Senate. But he noted that an upcoming budget resolution could use reconciliation in a very limited form.

    “The options are pretty wide-open in that regard in terms of what Congress may or may not choose to do,” Josten said.

    Josten noted that the reconciliation process could give great leeway to congressional committees, with only a section or two of “instructions” in a budget resolution on how to craft climate change and health legislation.

    Josten said recent moves by Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Ind., to organize a group of moderate Democratic senators could have a major effect of upcoming legislation.

    “I think they will be increasingly important as we go forward,” Josten said. “A mere handful of centrist moderates, if they stay together, define what can move and what can stop in the Senate.”

  35. rosettasister Says:

    The spin is on.

    FY 2008 was 3.2 percent of GDP

    FY 2009 projection was 8.3 to 12.3 to 13.1

    FY 2010 projection was 4.9 to 8.0 to 9.5

    Some on the left will try to make it seem as if these numbers aren’t that bad based on the most recent projections prior to today.

    When the truth of the matter is these numbers are unprecedented during peacetime. And the only other time in our history we had anything approaching these numbers was during WWII.

    The CBO estimates that the budget deficit in 2009 will be higher than the administration thought—13.1 percent of gross domestic product versus 12.3 percent. CBO’s projection for the president’s proposed 2010 budget of 9.5 percent of GDP versus the administration’s 8.0 percent estimate.

  36. rosettasister Says:

    Key Facts:

    1) Budget deficit expected to reach $1.8T in 2009, more than 3 times the previous record of $459 billion set in 2008.

    2) As a share of the economy, the deficit will be 13.1 percent of GDP, more than twice the previous post-War record.

    3) Cumulative deficits over the next ten years will total $9.3T, over half of which ($4.9T) is due to the President’s policies.

    4) Revenues reach 18.9 percent of GDP (based on rough approximation of climate revenue program), much higher than historical average of 18.2 percent.

    5) Spending reaches 24.5 percent of GDP, far higher than the post-war average of about 20.2 percent.

  37. rosettasister Says:

    FY 2009 13.1 percent of GDP FY 2010 9.6 percent of GDP

    The new CBO projections are in.

    Even under CBO’s optimistic assumptions, which assume that in the short-term the stimulus bill will have some expansionist effects on the economy, our fiscal outlook looks grim:

    The President’s proposals would add $4.8 trillion to the baseline deficits over the 2010–2019 period. CBO projects that if those proposals were enacted, the deficit would total $1.8 trillion (13.1 percent of GDP) in 2009 and $1.4 trillion (9.6 percent of GDP) in 2010. It would decline to about 4 percent of GDP by 2012 and remain between 4 percent and 6 percent of GDP through 2019.

    That’s twice the projected deficit as a percent of GDP figures outlined in Obama’s budget.

    But these numbers won’t stop the Democrats. According to Congressional Quarterly, “Democrats say they intend to pursue President Obama’s budget priorities, despite new Congressional Budget Office projections expected today that will show much deeper budget deficits.”

    Here is one projection you can count on being accurate. This will result in a permanent expansion of the federal government even after the current spike of spending caused by the stimulus and financial bailouts. Based on government data and Obama’s proposed outlays through 2019, Figure 1 shows the dramatic increase in nondefense spending (defined as total spending minus defense spending and net interest) as a percentage of gross domestic product between 1990 and 2019. It’s not good.

  38. rosettasister Says:

    Already a group of fiscal conservative Democrats known as the Blue Dogs have demanded capping non-defense discretionary spending at inflation and that the health-care plan be deficit neutral, among other things.

    “It is critically important, now more than ever, that the Congress and the administration develop a realistic plan for putting our country back on a path to fiscal responsibility,” said Representative Charlie Melancon, a Blue Dog co-chair.

  39. rosettasister Says:

    Found! Un-Photoshopped Obama Beach Pic

  40. LadyTexan Says:

    rosettasister Says:

    March 21, 2009 at 12:37 am
    Found! Un-Photoshopped Obama Beach Pic


    LMAO……That’s freakin funny!

  41. goferit Says:

    Have not posted recently, but am keeping up with Rose’s Gang.
    This from Orly Taitz’ website.

    Thanks for all that everyone here does for the us lurkers!


    > 545 vs 300,000,000 EVERY CITIZEN NEEDS TO READ THIS AND
    > Charley Reese has been a journalist for 49 years.
    > 545 PEOPLE
    > By Charlie Reese
    > Politicians are the only people in the world who create
    > problems and then campaign against them.
    > Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the
    > Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?
    > Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against
    > inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high
    > taxes?
    > You and I don’t propose a federal budget. The president
    > does.
    > You and I don’t have the Constitutional authority to
    > vote on appropriations. The House of epresentatives does.
    > You and I don’t write the tax code, Congress does..
    > You and I don’t set fiscal policy, Congress does.
    > You and I don’t control monetary policy, the Federal
    > Reserve Bank does.
    > One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and
    > nine Supreme Court justices 545 human beings out of the 300
    > million are directly, legally, morally, and individually
    > responsible for the domestic problems that plague this
    > country.
    > I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because
    > that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress
    > delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound
    > currency to a federally chartered, but private, central
    > bank.
    > I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a
    > sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no
    > ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a president
    > to do one cotton-picking thing. I don’t care if they
    > offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash.
    > The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No
    > matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the
    > legislator’s responsibility to determine how he votes.
    > Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy
    > convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They
    > cooperate in this common con regardless of party.
    > > > What separates a politician from a normal human
    > being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being
    > would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and
    > criticized the President for creating deficits. The
    > president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the
    > Congress to accept it.
    > The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land,
    > gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives
    > for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who
    > is the speaker of the House? Nancy Pelosi. She is the leader
    > of the majority party.
    > She and fellow House members, not the president, can
    > approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it,
    > they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.
    > It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million
    > can not replace 545 people who stand convicted — by present
    > facts — of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can’t
    > think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable
    > directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain
    > truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal
    > government, then it must follow that what exists is what
    > they want to exist.
    > If the tax code is unfair, it’s because they want it
    > unfair.
    > If the budget is in the red, it’s because they want it
    > in the red
    > If the Army & Marines are in IRAQ , it’s because
    > they want them in IRAQ .
    > If they do not receive social security but are on an elite
    > retirement plan not available to the people, it’s
    > because they want it that way.
    > There are no insoluble government problems.
    > Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats,
    > whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to
    > lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to
    > regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from
    > whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them
    > con you into the belief that there exists disembodied
    > mystical forces like “the economy,”
    > “inflation,” or “politics” that prevent
    > them from doing what they take an oath to do.
    > Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.
    > They, and they alone, have the power.
    > They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the
    > people who are their bosses. provided the voters have the
    > gumption to manage their own employees.
    > We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their
    > mess!
    > Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel
    > Newspaper.
    > What you do with this article now that you have read
    > it………. . is up to you.

    Posted by Dr. Orly Taitz at 3/19/2009 6:24 PM | View Comments (20) | Add Comment

  42. rosettasister Says:

    Overheard on Hugh Hewitt

    New Thread:

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