Phares: Iran’s Fear of a Velvet Revolution



Non-violent protesters face armed policemen


PRESS TV, the Iranian-government-owned English-language web and television broadcasting company, recently published a report contending Iran’s intelligence ministry had uncovered and publicly disclosed details regarding an alleged “’US-backed’ spy ring which had plans to topple the Tehran government.”

According to the report:

“Following the arrest of four Iranian nationals on charges of plotting to overthrow the government with Washington‘s support, head of the counterespionage department in the Intelligence Ministry said Monday that the group intended to build social and political tension in the country.”

The official, whose name was not revealed, added “organizing anti-government public rallies and creating ethnic division in the country” were among the tactics to be employed by the network.” [The report may be read here.]

In our ongoing conversations with Dr. Walid Phares – director of the Future of Terrorism Project at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies who now also serves as secretary general of the Trans Atlantic Legislative Group on Counter Terrorism — we asked for his interpretation of any underlying message within the report.

SMITH: The report said “Iranian intelligence operatives had been able to infiltrate the network and ‘launch an intelligence war with the CIA by leaking false information.’” It also said the UK and Israel were involved.

PHARES: Typical of the regime to try to frame all three governments of the U.S., UK, and Israel in one giant conspiracy. For by linking alleged Israeli activities to alleged U.S. and British activities against the regime, they would create a ‘radioactive’ environment in the region. Again, Tehran is trying to build a big bargaining chip for the day of dialogue. Thus the Iranian negotiators hope to be in a position of strength: Hold the high ground and lead with other subjects before the discussion of the most relevant ones, i.e. the nuclear issues.

SMITH: The report mentions the claim by Mohammad-Javad Zarif, the former Iranian ambassador to the United Nations, that “the White House is taking essential measures to orchestrate a ‘Velvet Revolution’ in Iran.”

PHARES: It is a reminder of the last decade of the Soviet Union when Soviet citizens invited to the West were eager to learn about open and free societies. They were often punished by Moscow for concocting revolutions against the Communist regime. The Iranian establishment lives in the paranoia of a similar situation. They spy on their own citizens when they travel and accuse them of being recruited by the West. When the Khomeinists start talking about a so-called ‘American support’ of a so-called ‘Velvet Revolution’ inside Iran, it means they are indeed afraid that seeds have already been sown for such a revolution. In fact, what worries the regime are not these scientific conferences but the narrative on many Iranian web sites talking about ‘democratic revolution.’ Ali Khamenei’s Pasdaran (Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps) can feel the sentiment inside Iran‘s civil society. Thus they want to suppress these sentiments by connecting them to an alleged American and Western activity.


Iran’s former reformist president, Mohammad Khatami, has given his strongest hint yet that he is prepared to run in the presidential election in June.

Iran‘s Reformist Former President ‘Needs To Stand Up’ For Program

RFE/RL: You just mentioned some of the key issues Iran faces — including economic problems and international isolation — and you also spoke about “Khatami’s Achilles’ heel.” Why do you think that, despite these complicated issues, Khatami has apparently decided to run again, albeit reluctantly?

Haghighatjoo: The many deep crises Iran is facing is the reason. Due to the current government’s mismanagement, the country is in such a situation that in recent years it has been on the verge of a war, the national rift has widened, and the main concern of Iran‘s intelligence minister is a velvet revolution, or colored revolution. This results in a closing of society’s political atmosphere more than before. Khatami has felt that his presence [in the election] could help lessen the crisis.

Walid Phares on Manas airbase in Kyrgyzstan

From RussiaToday

Manas airbase in Kyrgyzstan is very significant for Washington, and negotiations on the issue will have to take place in the next few months, says Walid Phares from the US-based Foundation for the Defense of Democracies.

70 Responses to “Phares: Iran’s Fear of a Velvet Revolution”

  1. justanamericancindy4 Says:


  2. Tenacity Says:

    First, let me say that we should all pay our lawfully due taxes. In some cases it is advisable that we even pay the unlawful ones. It is however, our duty to challenge that which is unlawful. The risk that one takes to fight income tax on labor is not due to the law, but rather due to the Police State we are living under. The constitution prohibits direct unapportioned tax on labor. Prior, to 1913, our government operated without income tax on labor. Today, a small fraction of the unapportioned tax collected on labor actually goes to run the government, military and provide services (maybe 10% if that).

    In order to gain some basic understanding, you need to be aware of a few historical facts. Even if you are aware of some of this, it will not hurt to refresh. There are diverse opinions on this subject and a lot of disinformation to cover the government’s fraud. Start with these and then search for others.

    I highly recommend that you watch the video on the Fiat Empire:

  3. Tenacity Says:

    I hit the new thread 4 times before it finally brought me over.

  4. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    I’m not having any problems Ten

  5. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Judge in autism case injects insult to Sarah Palin
    BY Thomas Zambito

    Wednesday, February 4th 2009, 9:05 PM

    A federal judge got political Wednesday, taking a swipe at Sarah Palin while powwowing with lawyers in the case of an autistic boy whose parents are fighting a ban on big dogs at their luxury upper East Side building.

    Manhattan Federal Judge Naomi Reice Buchwald blasted the Alaska governor and former vice presidential candidate for bringing her Down syndrome child on stage after a debate.

    “That kid was used as a prop,” Buchwald told lawyers during a hearing on Wednesday. “And that to me as a parent blew my mind.”

    Buchwald, a 62-year-old Democrat appointed by former President Bill Clinton, said Palin should have put her child to bed. Such conferences are often held behind closed doors, but Buchwald held yesterday’s session in open court. “Tell me who told the reporter,” Buchwald demanded after realizing her words were on the record.

    The comments came during a settlement conference in a lawsuit filed by the feds on behalf of 11-year-old Aaron Schein. Aaron’s parents say the dog is medically necessary to help the boy cope with Asperger’s syndrome.

    “I kind of don’t understand why this hasn’t been worked out,” Buchwald said. “You guys have been at this for two years? … This is a child with a serious medical problem.”

    The owners of The Townsend House want to put a 25-pound limit on any dog that Aaron’s parents – hedge fund manager Aaron Schein and Bronx Assistant District Attorney Maria Mostajo – pick out for him.

    And Aaron wants a hypoallergenic Labradoodle – a popular Labrador and poodle mix that can top out at around 40 pounds.

    Buchwald later offered more politically laced advice.

    “Have you discussed this with the Obamas?” Buchwald joked, referring to the First Family’s dog search. “Don’t get that hairless thing they were looking at. That’s awful.”

    Buchwald was a magistrate judge for 19 years before being appointed to the District Court bench in 1999. She has two grown children and is married to Don Buchwald, a criminal defense attorney who represented Ashley Dupre, the call-girl whose liaison with former Gov. Eliot Spitzer led to his resignation.

    The judge is just another sufferer of PDS. She should be removed from the bench, the sooner the better. Judges are not supposed to be political, but this one obviously is.
    My definition of Retard…… one that acts like a dit wit but no medical reason for it…..

  6. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    People of faith may be target of ‘stimulus’ package

  7. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    How to implement 10th amendment sovereignty in your State

    here’s some good advice.

  8. rosettasister Says:

    From previous thread:

    Ted Says:
    February 6, 2009 at 5:59 pm

    DEAR READER, before Obama has a chance further to “STIMULATE” GOVERNMENT growth, so as further to DEPRESS ECONOMIC freedom and liberty (by his effort to drive our RECESSION into DEPRESSION as pretext for FURTHER government control), it is essential NOW that both the United States Supreme Court AND Military Joint Chiefs of Staff EXERCISE WHAT IS THEIR ABSOLUTE CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY TO DEFEND THE NATION FROM THE INTERNAL THREAT OF USURPATION. OBAMA’S STEADFAST REFUSAL TO OVERCOME “RES IPSA LOQUITUR” on the issue of either his Kenyan birth and/or Kenyan/British father’s citizenship — by his steadfast refusal to supply his long form birth certificate under seal (compounded by his internet posting of a fake “after-the-fact” short form ‘certificate’) — renders him INELIGIBLE TO BE PRESIDENT UNDER ARTICLE 2 OF THE US CONSTITUTION. Being a 14th Amendment “citizen” is not enough. A “President” MUST BE an Article 2 “natural born citizen” AS DEFINED BY THE FRAMERS’ INTENT.

  9. rosettasister Says:

    Raping Men as a Terrorist Recruiting Tool

    By Phyllis Chesler

    Fancy that! Al Qaeda does not discriminate on the basis of gender or religion. They not only kill both men and women, Muslim and infidel alike, they also recruit men and women by raping them!

  10. sliderblaze Says:

    Nice speak last nite asshole.
    Lets recap
    Trying to instill fear…..check
    Outsources the bills work to Pelosi…check
    Saying that we have to spend trillionS more….check
    Blaming Bush for his bad 3 weeks…..predictable…imma victim
    Making fun of the oppstion and their ideas….check
    All the while talking bipartisanship….check
    Confirming that this is a SPENDING BILL (oops)…..Amateur

  11. rosettasister Says:

    Senate Leaders Hope to Complete Work on Stimulus

    Moderates Key

    With Edward M. Kennedy , D-Mass., out of town and unlikely to be in the Capitol for a vote, Reid will likely need three Republican votes. “I would say to the majority leader, his success depends on the success of this [moderate] group,” said Collins.

    Late Thursday, Mary L. Landrieu , D-La., said negotiations were beginning to fall apart before Senate leaders showed “appreciation” for the moderates’ effort. “It went from going south about two hours ago to coming up,” she said. “It’s still got life. It’s still breathing.”

    Budget Chairman Kent Conrad , D-N.D., said it is increasingly likely that moderates will seek assurances from Democratic leaders and Obama that the bill’s spending will be pared down in conference, rather than on the Senate floor.

    Conrad said all spending in the plan that would last beyond 2010 should be reviewed, though he thought some “would still pass muster because they qualify as investment to strengthen America’s long-term competitive position.”

    “It’s also very important that we reallocate some of the money . . . for things of higher priority, specifically housing,” Conrad said, adding he would be offering an amendment with Lindsey Graham , R-S.C., to shift about $25 billion toward a foreclosure mitigation program proposed by Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation Chairwoman Sheila C. Bair .

    George V. Voinovich , R-Ohio, suggested that some of the money shorn from the stimulus could end up in the omnibus containing the nine regular spending bills for fiscal 2009 that have yet to be approved.

    House Majority Whip James E. Clyburn , D-S.C., said Republicans were partly to blame for the size of the stimulus package since they blocked more modest measures Democrats had proposed last year.

    “If we could have gotten the [Bush] administration to move with us last fall, we wouldn’t have what we have now,” Clyburn said.

  12. rosettasister Says:

    C-SPAN2 offers gavel to gavel coverage of the U.S. Senate.

  13. rosettasister Says:

    From FoxNewsElectionHQ

    ‘Gang’ of bipartisan senators working on compromise stimulus bill

  14. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    2 more jump on board



    Possibly: Colorado, Hawaii, Pennsylvania, Montana, Arkansas, Idaho,
    Indiana, Alaska, Kansas, Alabama, Nevada, Maine, Illinois, Texas

    It is interesting to note that Arizona explicitly speaks about
    continuity of government and the role of servicemen.

    ..”if the President or any other federal entity attempts to institute
    martial law or its equivalent without an official declaration in one
    or more of the states without the consent of that state …
    individual members of the military return to their respective
    states and report to the Governor until a new President is elected;…”

  15. rosettasister Says:

    Economic Stimulus Update: Senators Await Outcome of Compromise

    FOX News’ Trish Turner follows the economic stimulus debate blow-by-blow on Capitol Hill.

    11:33 a.m., Feb. 6: Coming up with a stimulus bill that can pass the U.S. Senate is becoming a monumental task.

    President Obama has held one-on-one meetings with negotiators of a compromise bill; he and his aides have been working the phones, with many paying multiple visits to Capitol Hill. And last night, he burned the near-midnight oil talking with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, with Obama Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel participating as well.

    “They were on the phone until 11:30 p.m. last night,” a senior aide to Reid tells FOX News.

    Bipartisan negotiators, led by Sens. Ben Nelson, D-Neb., and Susan Collins, R-Maine, are trying to find the sweet spot, which appears to be in favor of cutting between $75 billion and $80 billion. That would leave the bill, with home and car buying tax cuts included, at about $857 billion.

    Reid is making calls to his members now, according to staff, to talk to them about what is being taken out of the bill, to assuage concerns when they learn their special projects have been nixed. Senate staff is being briefed on what has been cut, so more and more concerns are coming to light.

    Sen Dick Durbin, D-Ill., said “the most painful cuts” are to education and aid to states.

    Reid said he hopes to have a vote tonight, between 5 p.m. and 7 p.m., on the compromise.

    Originally, the negotiators were trying to cut more than $100 billion, but that has proved too much for some Democrats.

    Reid is said to be looking for three Republicans to support the final bill.
    One such Republican, George Voinovich, R-Ohio, said he is very concerned about education funding being included.

  16. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    They need to kill the bill not fix it…..
    the bill is hopeless

  17. justanamericancindy4 Says:


  18. Tenacity Says:

    justanamericancindy4 Says:
    February 6, 2009 at 6:27 pm

    2 more jump on board

    Look at the dates on these resolutions.

  19. rosettasister Says:


    Efforts in Senate to cut money out of expensive stimulus bill

  20. rosettasister Says:

    Stimulus will require competitive bidding

    The Senate, in what feels like its 7,000 hour of voting on amendments to the stimulus bill, just approved requiring competitive bidding for federal contracts.

    The amendment, introduced by Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., passed 97-0 Friday afternoon, a monumental show of support from both Republicans and Democrats who have been concerned about oversight of the stimulus.

    The amendment to the Senate version of the bill will require “all contracts, grants and cooperative agreements awarded under this act to be competitively bid.”

    Sen. Mike Johanns, R-Neb., said such an amendment is critical to ensuring money is responsibly spent.

    The temptation to ignore the transparency of the bidding process will be too great to ignore unless we act,” he said.

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., thinks he can reach the required 60 votes Friday to pass the stimulus bill. If debate continues too late today, he said he will invoke cloture, forcing a Sunday vote on the bill.

  21. calli Says:

    All who vote for that stimulus package should have their heads examined!!! I hope they have the health coverage to do so!!!
    It will cripple the USA!!! Some who voted for Obama regrets having done so!!! Be careful what you wished for!!!

  22. calli Says:

    That speech Obama gave last night in Williamsburg sounded more like a medicine peddler from old western films!!

  23. rosettasister Says:

    Boehner warns against politicizing Census

    From Jmart:

    House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) is joining other Republicans in blasting the White House for plucking control of the Census Bureau away from Commerce Secretary designee Judd Gregg and vesting it, perhaps, with Obama chief of staff Rahm Emanuel.

    Boehner, in a soon-to-be-released statement:

    “I am disturbed by reports that control of the traditionally nonpartisan Census Bureau is being stripped from the Commerce Department and placed with the White House staff. This action appears to be motivated by politics, rather than the interests of our country, and the burden will be on the new administration to prove otherwise during Senator Gregg’s confirmation hearings. The United States Census should remain independent of politics; it should not be directed by political operatives working out of the White House.”

    By Glenn Thrush 02:32 PM

  24. rosettasister Says:

    Hannity Radio

    One place to listen:

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  25. sliderblaze Says:


    seems like my worthless senator needs some balls

    give him some please. he seems the most likely to crack

  26. rosettasister Says:

    The Friday night cave-in is about to begin…

    Collins (202) 224-2523

    Snowe (202) 224-5344

    Voinovich (202) 224-3353

    Specter (202) 224-4254…

    If you make just one call, make it Specter’s office. I’m told that he is the ringleader making this happen…Give him hell…

  27. rosettasister Says:

    Don’t know if this is true:

    “Sean said Voinovich is gone, only Collins Snowe and Specter are left.
    If Arlen knows what’s good for him he better hit the road too.”

  28. rosettasister Says:

    This sucks for Stabenow

    “Woman in sting with senator’s husband jailed”

    TROY (AP) — A woman who was accused of having a paid sexual tryst with the husband of Michigan U.S. Sen. Debbie Stabenow has been sentenced to jail time for violating her probation.

    Alycia Martin, 21, was sentenced Thursday to five days in jail for failing to pay court costs or submit to drug and alcohol testing. The Detroit Free Press reported Martin was led from court in tears.

    Defense attorney Frank Cusumano Jr. said Martin can’t afford to pay court and testing fees.

    He said Martin is sober and eight months pregnant, and that jail time is an excessive sentence.

    Martin was charged with prostitution but pleaded guilty last year to a lesser charge of trespassing.

    Stabenow’s husband, Tom Athans, was questioned after the Feb. 26, 2008, sting but was not charged.

  29. rosettasister Says:

    Update III (Ed): Voinovich says he’s out:

    Sen. George Voinovich (R-Ohio) has pulled out of negotiations on a bipartisan compromise on the Senate’s economic stimulus bill.

    Three Republicans — Sens. Susan Collins (Maine), Olympia Snowe (Maine) and Arlen Specter (Pa.) — continue to negotiate with Democrats, but Voinovich’s departure could make it more difficult for Democrats to reach the 60 votes they need to pass the bill.

    Voinovich left a meeting in Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s (D-Nev.) office around 2:30 p.m., saying he did not believe there was a deal he could agree to on an amendment that would cut as much as $100 billion from the more than $920 billion measure.

    “I’ve really tried to work on this, but the three things that it should be timely, that it should be temporary and it should be targeted, that was something that I looked at,” Voinovich said. “It just doesn’t meet my criteria, and I feel very sorry because I think the Majority Leader has his responsibility, and he’s got his Members that he has to take care of.”

  30. rosettasister Says:

    Posted: Friday, February 06, 2009 3:38 PM by Mark Murray

    From NBC’s Ken Strickland

    Here’s the state of play at the moment … more negotiations.

    Everything seems to be revolving around the Nelson-Collins proposal to cut $100 billion from the stimulus bill and mustering enough Republican support to get the 60 votes needed to pass it.

    The Nelson-Collins gang presented their proposal to Majority Leader Harry Reid. Reid has made a counter proposal to Republicans.

    GOP Sens. Susan Collins and Arlen Specter will take Reid’s offer to their Republican members so see if there’s enough support to pass it.

    That’s where we are.

  31. rosettasister Says:

    But by mid-afternoon, one of the leaders of the bipartisan group, Republican Susan Collins of Maine, emerged from a meeting with Reid and said she was just beginning to review an offer from the Democratic leader.

    Asked how she felt, Collins said, “not as good as I felt earlier.”

  32. rosettasister Says:

    Update (AP): Suddenly Collins sounds iffy, too:

    In the morning, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid , D-Nev., said he expected negotiations on a compromise to produce something that could be voted on by the end of the day.

    “This is a critical day for our country and this Congress,” he said.

    But by mid-afternoon, one of the leaders of the bipartisan group, Republican Susan Collins of Maine, emerged from a meeting with Reid and said she was just beginning to review an offer from the Democratic leader.

    Asked how she felt, Collins said, “not as good as I felt earlier.”

    Update (AP): Mark Hemingway also hears that Collins is wavering, leaving just Snowe and Specter.

    Update (Ed): Duane Patterson of the Hugh Hewitt Show tells me that the Democrats have to get 60 votes by rule for cloture, not just 3/5ths of the quorum. Ted Kennedy is too ill to attend, which means Reid needs three Republican votes — and it looks like he might not get them.

  33. rosettasister Says:

    The World’s Greatest Rubberstamp Body: Will The Senate Fold?

    Hugh Hewitt

    The economy is fragile and needs short term stimulus. There are many crucial projects that could be undertaken with a half trillion dollars.

    The country and the Republican Party will support a genuine stimulus package.

    Thus the President and the senate Democrat have before them an opportunity to deliver an important and timely piece of legislation that can serve the country and bolster their party’s fortunes at the same time.

    How they have managed to corner themselves into attempting to shout down the informed opposition and divert the attention of a focused public is beyond me, but it isn’t too late to salvage the situation, and with it the opportunity to help the economy right itself towards growth.

  34. rosettasister Says:

    AP Top News at 5:17 p.m. EST

    WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama’s massive economic recovery package teetered in the Senate Friday after hours of backroom meetings failed to produce an agreement that could attract crucial GOP votes.

    Meetings continued through late afternoon between Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., and key Republican moderates Susan Collins of Maine and Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania.

    Both hoped to pare back nonessential spending items in the measure, while a third moderate, Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, worked with
    Democrats to trim the bill’s $340 billion in tax cuts by perhaps $25 billion.

  35. rosettasister Says:

    Here’s one place you can listen to Hugh Hewitt at the top of the hour (4PM Mountain)

    “The Vince Flynn Interview”

    Author Vince Flynn joins me for the entire show today as we discuss his phenomenal success, his approach to writing thrillers, the long war against Islamist jihadists and a dozen other subjects. Flynn fans will love it, and those who haven’t yet begun to enjoy the novels can listen in with the assurance that they will not be surprised by plot spoilers.

    Here is Flynn’s website.

    I am a believer in starting at the beginning of a series of novels, and thus recommend starting with Flynn’s first Mitch Rapp thriller, Transfer of Power, but many millions read them in whatever order they come upon them, including Flynn’s most recent NYT best-seller Extreme Measures.

    Doubtless Hugh will also be providing Senate updates as well.


  36. jjones Says:

    WTF? Why is BO traveling around to promote the porkulus package?
    Shouldn’t he be in DC maybe… oh… LEADING!?
    Obama Hits the Road to Rally Public Support for Stimulus Plan

  37. calli Says:

    I am proud of my country but not proud of the ones who are presently in charge!!!!!!

  38. susiezen Says:

    ALL four #s are backed up…I called several times…keep on plugging, just put all my phones on auto redial…come on, dont let us down on the hill, dont cave to these menally ill democrats.

  39. susiezen Says:

    harry reid is a filthly lying disgusting vial human…..I woudnt call him any sort of animal ie; dirty pig, sleazy snake, etc…thats an insult to the animal or amphibian……he is an immoral, unethical human…animals are not capable of his evil ilks.

  40. neconservative Says:

    Fox News is reporting the pork bill has a tentative deal

  41. susiezen Says:

    they caved

  42. susiezen Says:

    lets just see how much this bill changed… afraid not too much…I bet Acorn will still be getting 8 BILLION!!!

  43. susiezen Says:

    i wish they held out longer so that more of the ignorant Americans would be exposed to the porking

  44. susiezen Says:


  45. ddlew2 Says:

    They never expected to get the 927 billion. This whole thing was all theatre and they (the dems) probably STILL got more than they expected.

  46. Troy Says:

    ddlew2 Says:

    February 7, 2009 at 2:19 am
    They never expected to get the 927 billion. This whole thing was all theatre and they (the dems) probably STILL got more than they expected
    ddlew, Bravo!!!!…You nailed it right on the head….This is exactly what I have been telling people all day….The entire thing was choreographed….It’s the old used car salesman trick….Ask for way more than what you want and then when the price gets lowered through negotiation, act like you bent over backwards to comprimise and really you took a beating.
    When the deal is done you can laugh all the way to the bank while the poor foll drives away in a lemon….The only difference in this one is that both buyer and seller were in on the scam….They sold us a lemon…We got PORKED!!!!

  47. sliderblaze Says:

    Specter needs to go, im so sick of this balless idiot as my senator. dbag

  48. CJ Says:

    Troy, I agree. That is an old tactic that most of us learn the first time we buy a car. Do they think we are all stupid? How can a majority of elected officials believe they can justify this disgusting debt ridden spending spree. I will never join a major party ever. They have sold us down the river one time too many for me. I will work endlessly to defeat these people. Obama is also trying to take over the census too. Does anyone realize what that means in terms of control? It is giving direct oversight to the President re information on all of us via Rahm Emmanuel. Someone needs to really look at this. Can he do this legally? I feel absolutely horrible at the moment. How fast this is all going is mind blowing and that’s their agenda too. This was set up and put in place starting in Sept. when the financial mess began and probably well before that. It is a set-up of the first order and they want it to happen so fast no one can really look at what it all is made of. It is classic control, scare tactics of the first order. They continue to do what they wish as they wish and so far no one has been able to stop them. A recession usually ends on its own within 18 months and there are signs that it is starting to change somewhat more positive already. But they want this money and they want the control and they are getting what they want to our detriment. WE NEED A LEADER now. At least Lindsay Graham was willing to speak up and take a stand. Man what a mess.

  49. Troy Says:

    CJ, did you phone call in to Plains Radio show a little while ago and get on the air?

  50. Troy Says:

    We need a Specter ejecter.

  51. sliderblaze Says:

    we need toomey or another santorum run.

  52. CJ Says:

    Troy: No I didn’t call in.

  53. sliderblaze Says:

    anyone watch beck tonight?

  54. sliderblaze Says:

    im trying to figure out if the interview “mishandlement” was on purpose or was just an accident

  55. neconservative Says:

    I really liked the Thune amendment, it cancelled the whole stimulus bill, and gave 5k back (10k per couple), if you file taxes. It failed of course, but it would have actually stimulated the economy.

  56. Troy Says:

    They have no intention of stimulating the economy…The plan is to crash it and crash it will….Cue the NAU!!!

  57. ddlew Says:

    Posted: February 06, 2009
    11:50 pm Eastern

    By Jerome R. Corsi
    © 2009 WorldNetDaily

    WND Exclusive
    Lawmakers in 20 states move to reclaim sovereignty
    Obama’s $1 trillion deficit-spending ‘stimulus plan’ seen as last straw

    NEW YORK – As the Obama administration attempts to push through Congress a nearly $1 trillion deficit spending plan that is weighted heavily toward advancing typically Democratic-supported social welfare programs, a rebellion against the growing dominance of federal control is beginning to spread at the state level.

    So far, eight states have introduced resolutions declaring state sovereignty under the Ninth and Tenth Amendment to the Constitution, including Arizona, Hawaii, Montana, Michigan, Missouri, New Hampshire, Oklahoma and Washington.

    Analysts expect that in addition, another 20 states may see similar measures introduced this year, including Alaska, Alabama, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Nevada, Maine and Pennsylvania.

    “What we are trying to do is to get the U.S. Congress out of the state’s business,” Oklahoma Republican state Sen. Randy Brogdon told WND.

  58. ddlew Says:

    Troy Says:
    February 7, 2009 at 2:54 am

    ddlew2 Says:

    February 7, 2009 at 2:19 am
    They never expected to get the 927 billion. This whole thing was all theatre and they (the dems) probably STILL got more than they expected
    ddlew, Bravo!!!!…You nailed it right on the head….This is exactly what I have been telling people all day….The entire thing was choreographed….It’s the old used car salesman trick….Ask for way more than what you want and then when the price gets lowered through negotiation, act like you bent over backwards to comprimise and really you took a beating.
    When the deal is done you can laugh all the way to the bank while the poor foll drives away in a lemon….The only difference in this one is that both buyer and seller were in on the scam….They sold us a lemon…We got PORKED!!!!


    I’m watching Gretta right now and she is interviewing Democrat Senator Mary Landrieu of Louisiana.

    Gretta was trying to get her to explain HOW they came up with the figures for each of the allocations for the bill. Senator Landrieu pretty much let the cat out of the bag when she said that a vast majority of Congress new that a stimulus bill of 800 billion would be needed.

    BINGO!!!! They raised the discussion to 970 billion and brought it back down to 810 billion. Basically IT REALLY WAS, as TROY said “a used car sales job.”

    These guys are pure crooks and the three Repubs that voted with the Dems should be removed from office.

  59. susiezen Says:

    If Obama continues to use the public to get what he wants it will very soon backfire on him in a way that will hurt him the most, personally that is.
    This strange, almost manipulative way of obama constantly coming out on camera, throwing around insults, especially toward the republican party is starting to look just as it is….a phoney way to gain public support.
    Obama doesnt have the guts to confront congress and the senate in a face to face meeting to get this stimulus accomplished, Hes threatening a horrific economic catastrophe to us via media hoping for us to bail him out. Hes also trying to constantly make himself look better, constantly blaming others….
    Dont you think that eventually those viewers will get tired of his constant excuse making ie blame game.
    GOD knows, I cant speak fore the American public, for all I know their falling for all his lies hook line and sinker.

    HILE OBAMA…….im going to go puke….I can barely stand this any more. obama is as bad as I thought he would be last year…..aaaahhhh hows it go {j.b.}…step away from the computer

  60. susiezen Says:

    {thanks to barney and his friends}
    if houses start to move {sell}, banks will be pulled out of this mire of sh*t thy’re stuck in!!! DUHHH you dont need to be an economic genus to peg that…bet none of the stimulus is aimed toward that….just frisbee parks

  61. susiezen Says:

    ddlew….im with you, I know of three politicians that should be FIRED. WE CALLED ALL THREE OF THEM on the tele…..WE MUST CONTINUE TO CALL, WRITE LETTERS, THEY LET US DOWN HUGE!
    spector snowe collins

  62. cyndi Says:

    someone help me out here is this for real?

  63. rosettasister Says:

    Nancy Says:
    February 7, 2009 at 2:25 am

    Why don’t people leave Sarah Palin alone? I would not believe anything the National Enquirer published anyway. They would not know the truth if it hit them in the face. I have never bought their paper and never will.

    rosettasister Says:
    February 7, 2009 at 2:46 pm

    Welcome, Nancy!

    I will copy your post to our most recent thread which is here:


  64. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Total Votes Cast for Obama in 2008 69,456,897

    Percent of Votes Cast for Obama in 2008 Election 53%
    Percent of Eligible Citizens (> 18 yrs old 223,655,582) Who Voted for Barack Obama 31%
    Percent of Total U.S. Population (305,303,885) Who Voted for Barack Obama 23%
    Percent of Total U.S. Population (305,303,885) Affected by Obama’s Policies 100%

  65. rosettasister Says:

    cyndi Says:
    February 7, 2009 at 2:30 pm

    someone help me out here is this for real?


    Hi, Cyndi! I think he’s a novelist.

    “John Wareham”

  66. rosettasister Says:

    Despite a 58-41 majority bolstered by the elections, Democrats need 60 votes to clear a key procedural hurdle on Monday and advance the bill to a final vote.

    In addition to Collins and Specter, Republican Sen. Olympia Snowe of Maine pledged to vote for the legislation.

  67. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Kennedy is flying in for the big vote…. making it where only two Rep Senators will be needed to pass the pork bill….

    Sorry in MHO, a dying man with a massive brain tumor should not be allowed to vote….

  68. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    From The Obama File
    Pamela Geller, over at Atlas Shrugs, is deeply deeply troubled by Obama’s latest political gambit. He is removing the Decennial Census from the Commerce Department and moving it to the White House. Bear in mind that Obama has allocated one billion dollars in the porkulous package for the already automatically funded census taking.

    It was the intent of the framers of the this great country (the first census after the American Revolution was taken in 1790 under Secretary of State Thomas Jefferson) to keep the census out of partisan hands. This move by the ACORN organizer and current President seems a deliberate violation of the Constitution. And yes, I think his ACORN days (illegal voter registrations etc) and the gaming of the Census data are tied.

    Bruce Chapman, Director of the Census from 1981 to ’83 in the Reagan Administration, writes:

    “Everyone knows that it is possible to organize a Decennial Census in a way that benefits one party or another politically. One way to effectuate this otherwise unpalatable departure from the Census Bureau’s two hundred year history of non-partisanship is to put the Bureau administratively under direction of the politicos in the White House. In reality that would be a sure invitation to cook the books on the highly consequential count of Americans.”

    It is the Decennial Census that determines the makeup of the U. S. Congress. How much do you want to bet that all the ACORN workers who committed voter registration fraud will be Obama’s census takers? After all, they’re already trained and dedicated to the Obamamessiah.

    And, it is not just Commerce that gets this treatment. It is all Cabinet Departments. Obama is on record saying he thinks the existing Cabinet organization is outmoded. He has carved the White House up into a rabbit warren and is installing a variety of czars, special assistants, and “team leaders ‘ in the West Wing for the issues he cares about. He views the Cabinet Secretaries as administrators, not makers of important policy.

    He is simply consolidating power in the White House, like any good “beloved leader,” and he’s only been in the office for 19 days. We ain’t seen nothin’ yet.

  69. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    There was a youtube video of CNN (if I remember, right a member of Congress) talking about how minorities and not whitea getting construction jobs…… tryed to do a seach myself but couldn’t find it…. anyone have access to the link??

  70. rosettasister Says:

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