Iran just years away from nuclear capability, UK says – London prepared to go it alone with tougher sanctions if necessary

by

bill-rammell

Bill Rammell MP Minister of State, Foreign & Commonwealth Office

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE5136OL20090204

EXCERPT

Western powers suspect Iran’s nuclear program is aimed at building an atomic bomb. Tehran says it is for peaceful power generation only.

The head of the United Nations’ nuclear watchdog, Mohamed ElBaradei, said this week Iran could gain the capability to make a nuclear weapon in two to five years but there was ample time to deal with the concern.

Foreign Office Minister Bill Rammell said Britain was urging Iran to engage with an offer put on the table last year by the six powers — the United States, China, Russia, France, Britain and Germany — known as the E3+3.

“The new U.S. administration has indicated that this will be a priority for them. They’ve indicated that they will talk directly to the Iranians but within a context that makes it clear that a nuclear-weaponized Iran is not acceptable,” he told a committee hearing on nuclear non-proliferation.

“There is a choice here for Iran. It’s either to engage and to get all the benefits that are available through the E3+3 process or to face significant ratcheting up of further sanctions,” he said.

He said Britain was trying to get international consensus on sanctions against Iran.

“That is why we’ve been working at the Security Council, it’s why we’ve been working in the EU (European Union), but we’ve made clear if necessary we will go further on our own.”

“I can assure you there is a very strong message that goes from the government to banks and to British industry about the undesirability of investing in Iran,” he said.

The U.N. Security Council has imposed three rounds of sanctions on Iran for refusing to suspend uranium enrichment.

Iran has rejected the six powers’ long-standing demand for a suspension of enrichment before talks can begin and has gradually expanded its program during the stalemate, raising fears it may be approaching bomb-making capability.

Germany hosts talks on Iran’s nuclear program

The meeting comes two days after Iran set alarm bells ringing by launching a low Earth orbit satellite into space.

http://www.expatica.com/de/news/local_news/Germany-hosts-talks-on-Iran_s-nuclear-program_49273.html

Senior diplomats from six world powers met Wednesday for the first time under the new US administration to discuss Iran‘s nuclear ambitions, two days after Tehran launched its first satellite.

Political directors from the UN Security Council permanent members — Britain, China, France, Russia and the United States — plus Germany met in Wiesbaden near the western German city of Frankfurt.

The get-together comes two days after Iran set alarm bells ringing by launching a low Earth orbit satellite into space, technology the West fears Tehran could use in the future to carry nuclear warheads.

Iran insists its first home-built Omid (Hope) satellite, launched on Monday, has no military application, but Washington made clear it was unimpressed.

“This action does not convince us that Iran is acting responsibly to advance stability or security in the region,” White House press secretary Robert Gibbs told reporters on Tuesday. “Efforts to develop missile delivery capability, efforts to continue on an illicit nuclear program, or threats that Iran makes toward Israel and its sponsorship of terror are of acute concern to this administration.”

The launch “sends the wrong signal to the international community which has already passed five successive UN Security Council resolutions on Iran‘s nuclear and ballistic missile program,” said British Foreign Office Minister Bill Rammell on Tuesday.

iran-nuclear

This is an interesting site which claims impartiality.

“Our dedication to being an objective and balanced news source is matched by our commitment to providing a platform for the freedom of the press as well as the various views of our audience.”

http://www.iranvnc.com/en/home

From IranVNC

Added: December 12, 2008

In an interview with the Los Angeles Times on December 6, the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency Dr. Mohamed ElBaradei said the international efforts to curb Irans nuclear activities have been a failure.

105 Responses to “Iran just years away from nuclear capability, UK says – London prepared to go it alone with tougher sanctions if necessary”

  1. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    1st!!!!!

  2. Troy Says:

    CJ Says:

    February 5, 2009 at 6:36 pm
    Ginsberg has pancreatic cancer. Think she may resign? She’s a lib anyway but is it starting at SCOTUS? The suspected turnover I mean.
    *********************************************
    Obama will probably try to appoint Michael Moore….Lmaoooo

  3. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Troy
    Michael Moore…….. eeeeeewwwwww

  4. j.b. Says:

    CJ Says:

    February 5, 2009 at 6:36 pm
    Ginsberg has pancreatic cancer. Think she may resign? She’s a lib anyway but is it starting at SCOTUS? The suspected turnover I mean.

    PC is a deal breaker. Depending on when she was diagnosed, she may have mere months. My guess is she will retire, soon.

  5. j.b. Says:

    Here’s your chance to make a difference;

    Call and implore these employees (of ours) to vote “NO” or WE will begin a campaign against THEM to get them FIRED!
    Take a moment and make a difference, please!
    I did.
    **************************************

    THIS IS APPALLING! CONTACT THE FOLLOWING REP SENATORS OFFICE. TRAITORS!!!

    Lead Story
    Alert: Who are the Senate GOP wobblers?; Update: Reid says he has two Republicans; Collins is sold; Voino no?
    By Michelle Malkin • February 5, 2009 01:01 PM
    Scroll for updates…Collins falls; Voino a no?

    Buzz on the Hill is that the Senate may vote today on the Generational Theft Act of 2009. Harry Reid and the Dems are desperate to end public debate.
    And then there’s this oh-so-important consideration (hat tip: Rob Neppell):
    “An analyst on Bloomberg just said the talk in Washington is that the Stimulus bill must pass today because many Senators are booked to a security “junket” to Munich tomorrow. Your govt. at work.”
    Crikey.
    The Senate GOP wobblers may be conspiring on a disastrous compromise as we speak. Who are they?
    I’m told that the Squishy Four are (no surprises here):
    Collins (202) 224-2523
    Snowe (202) 224-5344
    Voinovich (202) 224-3353
    Specter (202) 224-4254

  6. ddlew2 Says:

    It would not surprise me one bit to see Obama nominate MICHELLE OBAMA to the Supreme Court.

    Talk about scandals…..

  7. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    j.b.

    I passed that along to obamacrimes…

  8. j.b. Says:

    This is what I said;
    I am calling to appeal to Ms. Snowe to vote “NO” today. I am a U.S Citizen and she works for me-not the other way around. I also want her to know that I am looking at a list of three others who are possibly going to vote for this Crap Sandwich. This non-stimulus bill, and that if she and the others vote any way but NO, I am not alone in this, there will be a HUGE internet movement to get them ALL FIRED! She’s a republican, right? (yes was the answer) Well she’s NOT acting like one.
    I ended it with,

    “I am SICK OF this. We all are!”

    Next!

  9. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    ddlew

    she doesn’t have a license to practice law…….. but then Bammy is above the law and everything he does is golden

  10. j.b. Says:

    btw, Snowe’s was the only number NOT busy, and it took a looooonnng time before anyone answered.

    Please, guys, help in this. The word “fired” may just get the attention.

  11. j.b. Says:

    Voinavich’s office-on hold-twice.

  12. j.b. Says:

    Okay, this is definately NOT good for my BP.
    Voinavich’s aide got an EARFUL from me! She finally was able to say, “Yes, ma’am, Senator Voinavich is not currently in favor of this bill.”

    Oh, I let it rip. I get BETTER each time, if I may say so myself.

    Next!

  13. j.b. Says:

    Specter’s line-still busy. Phone lines melting much?
    ha. 🙂

  14. inspirational1 Says:

    Wow….its been 5 weeks without news and internet…. well while far off from the world in a small indian village is see the ONE became the unqualified Prez…. no supreme court case stopped him yet… sad day for America

    well going to catch up on whats been happening while away.

  15. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    inspirational1
    giving you a wave
    Welcome back

  16. j.b. Says:

    Welcome back. Wish I could go off somewhere and not know this nightmare is happening.

    Well, it seems Senator Specter has an aide with an ATTITUDE. She claims the calls have been “mixed”. Uh-huh, sure they have. She got an earful, too.

    3 down-one to go……….I included that; there’s a grassroots internet campaign to FIRE ALL who are NOT for AMERICA!

    I also asked, “Is there a D or an R afer his name?” (R, she said)
    “Well, he’s not acting like it. We need conservatives, working FOR US!

  17. Katie Says:

    “Productivity surges” Buried in the “pending-catastrophe” news is this story. (Free markets always correct themselves and work IF LEFT ALONE.)

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/05/labor-department-says-productivity-surges-labor-pressures-ease/

    No wonder Skankapotamus (that’s for you Troy) wants the Porkulus bill passed. The maker of Botox is going to lay off workers. Uh oh.

    I can’t find the link on the website yet, but FOX is reporting that Hilda Solis, the nominated Sec. of Labor (socialist!) is in a bit of a pickle. You see…you may be shocked to know…has this ever happened to any other nominee…wait – here it comes…TAX problems.

    It occurs to me that TAXMASTERS could do a whopper of a business w/ government officials. Except that they don’t get harassed, penalized, and fined.

  18. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    j.b.

    don’t forget… to threaten them with a recall of their seat

    🙂

  19. j.b. Says:

    Well, I did forget. I was/am HOT. Cannot get through to Collins…….still trying. You had any luck?

  20. j.b. Says:

    phucking H Y P O C R I T E S!!!!!!!!!

    AAAAaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    http://obambi.wordpress.com/

  21. j.b. Says:

    …….backing away from the computer now…….

  22. rosettasister Says:

    j.b. Says:
    February 5, 2009 at 8:13 am

    Rose said:

    My son is auditioning, too, I think, for all the Las Vegas Cirque Shows. (Bass Guitar)

    Good Luck to your son! When is the audition, if you know?

    (Thanks for asking, j.b.! Thursday, Feb 19th in Las Vegas. He has to bring an upright, bass guitar, fretless, etc, etc, 4 or 5 instruments all told.

    That would be hard enough to pull off if he lived in Vegas. But he has to fly in from Houston! Anyway, he says he has a plan. Let’s hope so.)

    I watched the young man in the video, sing Elvis, very well done.

    (Yeah, I really liked him, too! Hope he makes the cut.)

    I also checked out your son’s remix. Where did he learn to do that type of music? I realize that it takes exceptional talent and hard work. I’m sure he worked very hard on it and I know it is very popular-I just can’t dance to it.

    (I hear ya! He does have a good take, I think, on what the younger generation is listening to, will listen to.

    He laughs at most of what I listen to, but sometimes, I think I surprise him.

    As far as how he does the remix stuff, I asked him about it once. He told me that except for the voice, all of the other instruments you hear are created from scratch.

    Have you ever listened to a song and thought, you know, I think I would have arranged that differently? Or is that just me?

    Anyway, he does have perfect pitch, which he inherited from his grandfather on my husband’s side.

    My father-in-law suffered a heart attack and died on stage playing the music he loved. He was a trumpet player, among many other instruments. I wish I had known him.)

    So, do we have an imposter in the mix? Not re; your son, but here, on the blog. Just askin’.

    (This is another one of those times when I don’t have a clue what you guys are talking about!)

    My son, Patrick, attended two of the three conservatories in Manhattan and also attended the Crane School of Music, the oldest music school in our country.

    He ended up with a degree in theoretical and musicological studies. And most of the time speaks in a language I don’t understand.

    I do believe the theoretical physicists should get together with the theoretical musicologists. It seems to me they speak the same language.

    Thanks, again, for asking, j.b.

    Bbl

  23. j.b. Says:

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c60bf53ef0105371080d7970b-popup
    You Want Change? Try these………makes sense to me!
    But what do I know?

    …….backing away from the computer now…….

    again.

  24. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    One of Burg’s cases
    __________

    Right Side of Life is reporting Judge has issued some denials. Case remains active.

    ORDER

    Plaintiff’s motion to file interpleader and deposit funds with the court [#2] is frivolous and is denied. His motion to shorten time for defendants to respond to his complaint [#3] is moot and is denied. The motions of his counsel [#4, #5] for the admission pro hac vice of Philip J. Berg and Lawrence J. Joyce are in abeyance until the Court has had the opportunity, in open court, to examine their credentials, their competence, their good faith, and the factual and legal bases of the complaint they have signed.
    JAMES ROBERTSON
    United States District Judge

  25. j.b. Says:

    Dayuuuuum, Slider (or anyone else for that matter), you listening to Hannity? Whoa-did he just ream Stabenow or whut? . That stoopid, no good Senator of MY Great State Of MICHIGAN needed that-fo sho.

    Rose said;
    My son, Patrick, attended two of the three conservatories in Manhattan and also attended the Crane School of Music, the oldest music school in our country.

    He ended up with a degree in theoretical and musicological studies. And most of the time speaks in a language I don’t understand.

    I hear ya there. That sounds expensive!

    Rose, sorry to hear about your sons G-pa. How cool is that, that he passed his skills down through your hubby to your own
    son. 🙂

    I never really knew my dad, he died 39 years ago, today, at 40. He passed his (long eyelashes and) ADD down to me. I like it.
    🙂

    My parents had five kids when my dad died. The youngest, (me) was 8, oldest, 19 and in Vietnam. She had NO (paying) job, no driver’s license, did we go on the dole? Nope. She took some time (and some librium) but finally put her big girl panties on, got a job, went to school and supported her 2 minor children!

    Anyhoo, it’s not about me, I just wanted to say how things ARE SO DIFFERENT NOW. Appallingly.

  26. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    A Senate committee today abruptly canceled a session to consider President Obama’s nomination of Rep. Hilda Solis to be labor secretary in the wake of a report saying that her husband yesterday paid about $6,400 to settle tax liens against his business — including liens that had been outstanding for as long as 16 years.

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/02/05/solis_senate_session_canceled.html?hpid=topnews

  27. j.b. Says:

    Glenn Beck is printing the (non)stimulus bill during his show, while on the air. He said it should be done in just a few minutes, lmao. Bet it takes the whole hour!

    btw, GOOGLE SUCKS!

  28. j.b. Says:

    http://www.buffalonews.com/260/story/570428.html

    Bet this just really disturbs the PETA people. NOT.
    Where’s the outrage?

  29. j.b. Says:

    http://www.drudgereport.com/

    There’ssssssssssssss I’BinObiben-again. Seriously, does Barry go anywhere w/o him?

  30. Katie Says:

    News Corp loses $6.4 Billion in 2nd quarter.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/News-Corp-loses-64-billion-in-apf-14272442.html

    Guess that’s what happens when you lose viewers because you’ve lost credibility.

    Hey FOX – why don’t you report on this Constitutional Crisis and see how many people start tuning in???????????????????????

  31. Troy Says:

    Everybody check this out…This is huge.

    Hey Tenacity, spread the word!!!

    https://www.frontsight.com/free-gun.asp

  32. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    j.b.

    I was outraged….
    I hope the Doctor and the clinic owner get charged with murder!!!

    that ..that.,.grrrrrr makes me so mad I could hit someone

  33. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Troy

    it’s been awhile since I’ve fired a weapon,….. next nice day the hubby is taking me target shooting..

  34. Troy Says:

    justanamericancindy4 Says:

    February 5, 2009 at 11:18 pm
    j.b.

    I was outraged….
    I hope the Doctor and the clinic owner get charged with murder!!!
    ********************************************
    It is flat out murder and they wil be charged.

  35. Troy Says:

    justanamericancindy4 Says:

    February 5, 2009 at 11:22 pm
    Troy

    it’s been awhile since I’ve fired a weapon,….. next nice day the hubby is taking me target shooting..
    *******************************************
    It’s just like riding a bike…You don’t forget how, just have to shake off the rust.

  36. hockeyfan530 Says:

    hey gang,

    Haven’t been on here for a while because i’m just too pissed. I hear Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin ect…bithcin’ about everything that barry is doing. I agree that we have to do this but they are missing the ONLY issue that matters. Everything barry is signing is illegal! End of story! But the only way it’s illegal is if barry is proven ineligible. They refuse to talk about it.

    If i were to have brain surgeory and found out that the sergeon was actually an auto mechanic(NTTAWWT) i wouldn’t be so concerned about my headaches or my stitches as i would be that he wasn’t a LEGAL brain surgeon! I am just so annoyed when everyone complains about what barry is doing and ignoring WHO barry is!

    I mean no offense but i have nothing cosntructive to say. I just want to vent. Until then i’ll always read this blog because you people are great. I just need to vent right now.

  37. jjones Says:

    OK, called my senators…not that they would vote for this crap pile of a bill…but still felt the need to voice my opinion

  38. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Hey Hockey

    Great to see you,.. we miss you around here 🙂

  39. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Hockey

    listen to this Youtube it will make you feel better

  40. Katie Says:

    Couldn’t agree more hockeyfan – their ‘outrage’ is disingenuous to say the least. If any of them had the courage to speak out and do the right thing last fall, we wouldn’t be in this mess.

    Remember that paid commercial that FOX refused to air – the one that listed the FACTS about Barry. Now News Corp is losing money – and perhaps some of those that sat silent will lose their jobs. Boo hooo.

    Vent away – it helps a little.

  41. hockeyfan530 Says:

    thanks jac,
    but man am i bummed out when it comes to all of this. I’m trying to stay away but it’s difficult. Been wanting to get back in but everytime i type something i get p*ssed. Not even sure what i want i want to say but know i want to say something. know what i mean?

    How are the pups? Saw pictures of them and they are too cute…in a non basset sort of way 🙂

  42. patriotamy Says:

    Welcome back hockyfan

  43. KAY Says:

    DID ANYONE WATCH GLENN BECK TONITE ABOUT HOW AL GORE WAS TELLING THE KIDS THEY KNOW MORE THAN THE PARENTS WELL READ THE ARTICLE IF YOU HAVE KIDS THE UNITED NATION WANTS TO TAKE AWAY PARENTS RIGHTS AND THE KIDS CAN REPORT YOU AND HAVE YOU ARRESTED , THE GOVERMENT AND OBAMA ARE FOR THIS GIVING KIDS THIER OWN RIGHTS AGAINST THIER PARENTS
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=87929

  44. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Hockey

    They are growing quickly. they are 6 weeks now, and can go to new homes around Valentines day…..I’ve sold two of the four…… will break my heart when they leave like every other pup I let go to a forever home….

  45. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Kay

    I read that earlier…. it’s a united nations thing proposed in 95 if I remember right. The US have never signed…
    it will probably be our next fight…….

    that fight list is getting pretty long

  46. hockeyfan530 Says:

    i read the new obamacrimes website and if that’s all the evidence he has we are in BIG trouble. I can’t believe this is happening and so many people that are so close to me don’t understand. Nor do they want to hear it. I am so frustrated. I have friends that know it’s happening but they have already given up. There’s nothing we can do it seems. All we want is truth and our country back. I keep hoping that the govt. knows about all of this and they are just waiting to bust all of these idiots at one time. Barry and his ilk are going to destroy this country. There is no way that the ENTIRE govt apparatus is this blind and stupid!

  47. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    we REALLY need to get the sovereignty bills wrote and passed in every state….. it is our only defense in protecting our complete rights….

  48. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    bbl~

  49. hockeyfan530 Says:

    but on the plus side the blues kicked the living snot out of the Flyers (sorry slider), got one point against the red wings and beat the blue jackets 4 – 2! So life is going well.

    On a different note altogether i heard some new guy on XM calling michelle obama Ru Paul. I was listening and thought “what the hell is ru paul doing in politics!?” then i laughed and said “aaahhhhhhhhhh”

  50. Katie Says:

    The Usurper signs an illegal EO and now this criminal gets off? I think I’m going to be sick.

    “The senior military judge overseeing terror trials at Guantanamo Bay is expected to drop charges Friday against a suspect in the 2000 USS Cole bombing, FOX News has confirmed.

    The legal move by the Hon. Susan J. Crawford would bring all Guantanamo cases into compliance with President Barack Obama’s executive order to halt court proceedings at the Navy detention center in Cuba.

    Judge James Pohl had refused the Obama administration’s request to delay the arraignment of Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, the accused planner of the Cole attack in Yemen.”

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/02/05/sources-charges-dropped-uss-cole-bombing-suspect/

  51. hockeyfan530 Says:

    katie,
    this is the kind of thing i’m frustrated with. Hannity, Limbaugh, Levin…ect. Do not have to deal with this if they would speak up about who barry is! If they would speak up barry would be done…instead we just have to sit and watch as barry destroys this country! Do you have and ideas as to why all of these people are doing this?

  52. hockeyfan530 Says:

    that is do you have “any” ideas as to why all of these people are doing this?

  53. Tenacity Says:

    Troy Says:
    February 5, 2009 at 11:12 pm

    Everybody check this out…This is huge.

    Hey Tenacity, spread the word!!!
    **************
    What…that this Millionaire Patriot wants to sell you $700 worth of stuff and classes for $1,200 and then give you a free gun that costs him $350?

  54. Tenacity Says:

    Too bad Ann Dunham didn’t go see Ren-uh-Leek back in 1960.

  55. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Golly, Folks, which one of these 50 actually qualifies as an economic stimulus???????

    1. $50 million for the National Endowment for the Arts
    2. $380 million in the Senate bill for the Women, Infants and Children program
    3. $300 million for grants to combat violence against women
    4. $2 billion for federal child care block grants
    5. $6 billion for university building projects
    6. $15 billion for boosting Pell Grant college scholarships
    7. $4 billion for job-training programs, including $1.2 billion to provide “youth” summer jobs for people up to the age of 24
    8. $1 billion for community development block grants
    9. $4.2 billion for “neighborhood stabilization activities”
    10. $650 million for digital TV coupons, including $90 million to educate “vulnerable populations”
    POORLY DESIGNED TAX RELIEF:
    11. $15 billion for business-loss carry-backs
    12. $145 billion for “Making Work Pay” tax credits
    13. $83 billion for the earned income credit
    STIMULUS FOR THE GOVERNMENT:
    14. $150 million for the Smithsonian
    15. $34 million to renovate the Department of Commerce headquarters
    16. $500 million for improvement projects for National Institutes of Health facilities
    17. $44 million for repairs to Department of Agriculture headquarters
    18. $350 million for Agriculture Department computers
    19. $88 million to help move the Public Health Service into a new building next year
    20. $448 million for constructing a new Homeland Security Department headquarters
    21. $600 million to convert federal auto fleet to hybrids
    22. $450 million for National Aeronautics and Space Administration
    23. $600 million for National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
    24. $1 billion for the Census Bureau
    INCOME TRANSFERS:
    25. $89 billion for Medicaid
    26. $30 billion for COBRA insurance extension
    27. $36 billion for expanded unemployment benefits
    28. $20 billion for food stamps
    PURE PORK:
    29. $4.5 billion for U.S. Army Corps of Engineers
    30. $850 million for Amtrak
    31. $87 million for a polar icebreaking ship
    32. $1.7 billion for the National Park System
    33. $55 million for Historic Preservation Fund
    34. $7.6 billion for “rural community advancement programs”
    35. $150 million for agricultural commodity purchases
    36. $150 million for “producers of livestock, honeybees, and farm-raised fish”
    RENEWABLE WASTE:
    37. $2 billion for renewable energy research
    38. $2 billion for a “clean-coal” power plant in Illinois
    39. $6.2 billion shall be for the Weatherization Assistance Program
    40. $3.5 billion shall be for energy efficiency and conservation block grants
    41. $3.4 billion shall be for the State Energy Program
    42. $200 million shall be for state and local electric-transport projects
    43. $300 million shall be for energy-efficient appliance rebate programs
    44. $400 million for hybrid cars for state and local governments
    45. $1 billion for the manufacturing of advanced batteries
    46. $1.5 billion for green technology loan guarantees
    47. $8 billion for innovative technology loan guarantee program
    48. $2.4 billion for carbon-capture demonstration projects
    49. $4.5 billion for electricity grid
    REWARDING STATE IRRESPONSIBILITY:
    50. $79 billion for State Fiscal Stabilization Fund

  56. Katie Says:

    justanamericancindy4 Says:
    February 6, 2009 at 2:15 am

    Golly, Folks, which one of these 50 actually qualifies as an economic stimulus???????
    ***************************

    None. Zip. Zilch. Zero.

  57. carribeansoul Says:

    Hockey…you’ve made me jump in now as well! ‘Cause I am right there with ya! This and other blogs are just having the same conversation over and over maybe with different words and there’s only so much I can take. I believe this has really woken a whole bunch of people up and it will be the LAST time something like this happens. No, I don’t think Berg has the “smoking gun” either but hopefully he will get in front of a judge to make them at least look at the merits. The “hope” that I cling to these days is the fact that he is so d-mn arrogant he will shoot himself in the foot and bring himself down or that the Blago and Rezko goings-on will bring him down. Neither of those guys will go down alone I am sure. So for now, I just pretty much don’t talk about it or just look at the folks and tell them that I will add them to my “I told you so” list for when it does happen. I believe with all my heart that he won’t make it a full year. It’s not “IF”, but “WHEN”. So, I understand your venting and I feel your pain….and it IS painful to realize that there are so many idiots among us!

    I read somewhere some time back that 22% of the voting population put him in office! 78% either didn’t vote at all or voted for someone else. There’s our biggest problem I think. Folks are going to HAVE to get involved and do their duty of voting!

  58. hockeyfan530 Says:

    c.soul,
    glad i’m not alone. I don’t blame the blogs. we are just regular people, with, apparantly, no voice. I think we need to put pressure on Hannity, Limbaugh, Levinn…ect. Without them we have no voice. Perhaps it’s the station owners that won’t “allow” them to talk about the ONLY REAL issue. But all of the aforementioned would do just as well on the interenet. IF they would stand up to management their followers would follow. As well they should.

  59. Troy Says:

    Hockeyfan, I have sent all those guys emails many times begging them to report on it and to tell their bosses to stick it.
    It’s useless they are all looking out for only themselves.

  60. carribeansoul Says:

    I believe that either Hannity or Beck are just about on the edge of exploding. I heard Hannity’s rant today and was thrilled to hear him get upset.

    Our local conservative talk radio guy has flat out said not to email him about it, not to call in about it and just leave it alone. He believes the COLB on factcheck is gospel. I’m just so very shocked by this out of him because he’s usually one to stir the pot. I just don’t have the respect for him like I used to and don’t listen near as much as I used to.

    Maybe we should actually print out all the info showing it to be a fake along with all other “evidence” per se and FedEx it to one of them. Just put it all in black and white so they don’t have to go searching around the web and ask them to just read it….that’s all…just read.

  61. Troy Says:

    I guess it’s worth a try.

  62. carribeansoul Says:

    Yeah, I think I’ll give it a shot and see what happens. If nothing else, it will at least give me the feeling of doing something instead of just sitting here waiting on something to happen!

  63. sba1872 Says:

    Does anyone know if “Ron Polarik” is a pseudonym?

  64. hockeyfan530 Says:

    i check in every once in a while to listen to our local conservative talk show. But i just get bummed out.

    What if we coordinated one day to call Hannity (or someone) and ask him about the BC. We may have to lie about what we are callling about but who cares at this point!?

  65. carribeansoul Says:

    sba…I’ve seen reference to that being a pseudonym. Linda Starr says it is in order to protect his identity but that his real name is used on the documentation filed with the courts.

    hockey…that might be a good idea as well! Maybe go to obamacrimes and get all those folks involved as well. He**, we could do a campaign of everyone calling at a particular time EVERY day until someone caves!

  66. Troy Says:

    sba1872 Says:

    February 6, 2009 at 3:45 am
    Does anyone know if “Ron Polarik” is a pseudonym?
    *************************************
    Yes it is

  67. ddlew2 Says:

    I heard something on Michael Savage’s show tonight that I think puts the figure of 1 TRILLION DOLLARS in perspective.

    If you spent 1 MILLION DOLLARS per day, since the birth of Christ, you would be close to 1 TRILLION DOLLARS today.

    Think about that.

  68. j.b. Says:

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/

    If true, outrageous, squared.

  69. ddlew2 Says:

    j.b.

    That story is 100% TRUE!

  70. Troy Says:

    Change you can believe in….Turn them all loose Barry, you dumbass!!!

    http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/196218.php

  71. j.b. Says:

    I picked up this comment below at Hillbuzz (which, btw, has a “must see” short video of GibbsDeerintheheadlightsabadname shaking off Jake Tapper-priceless. Oh, *Helen Thomas warning*)

    I just wanna say (about the quote below) ;

    “Are you phucking kidding me?” LMAO!
    ********************************************

    MichL Says:

    February 5, 2009 at 9:02 pm
    I too saw him getting on AF1, and they asked if he had ever been on it before. He said “Yes with the President, uh, uh, uh, Bush. This fool forgot he was President? You don’t refer to Bush as THE President anymore dumbass!

  72. j.b. Says:

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=84551&sectionid=351020403

    That’s my Bro! He just sent this to me. He was NOT involved in any way, ever, in the negative and or illegal crap that went on there, btw. Straight as an arrow, that guy.
    We call him Dan the Man. He likes it. 🙂

  73. j.b. Says:

    ddlew2 Says:

    February 6, 2009 at 4:29 am
    j.b.

    That story is 100% TRUE!

    Figures. I HOPE those families CHANGE thier minds and DO NOT GO!

    You guys, THIS is SO MUCH worse than I ever thought it would be this EARLY ON!
    It’s a good thing I don’t live on a cliff…….

  74. j.b. Says:

    Troy Says:

    February 6, 2009 at 4:32 am
    Change you can believe in….Turn them all loose Barry, you dumbass!!!

    http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/196218.php

    Disgraceful. Not that it matters but that poor girl was beautiful. Imagine the outrage of her family.
    Dunno what I would do. really.

    Did anyone watch Barry on the telly tonight? Arrogant, smug and sarcastic as hell. I almost hate him. Phucker.

  75. j.b. Says:

    great, All……. By ……….Myself……..

  76. Troy Says:

    I almost hate him.
    **************
    Almost???…Ask me how I feel….FUGOBAMA!!!!

  77. j.b. Says:

    On Becoming Illegal.
    You’ll love this!

    FORMS ARE GOING FAST- SIGN UP
    TODAY!

    Becoming Illegal (Actual letter from an Iowa
    resident and sent to his senator)

    The Honorable Tom Harkin
    731 Hart Senate Office Building
    Phone (202) 224 3254
    Washington DC, 20510

    Dear Senator Harkin,

    As a native Iowan and excellent customer of the Internal Revenue Service, I am
    writing to ask for your assistance. I have contacted the Department of Homeland
    Security in an effort to determine the process for becoming an illegal alien and
    they referred me to you.

    My primary reason for wishing to change my status from U.S. Citizen to illegal
    alien stems from the bill which was recently passed by the Senate and for which
    you voted. If my understanding of this bill’s provisions is accurate, as an
    illegal alien who has been in the United States for five years, all I need to do
    to become a citizen is to pay a $2,000 fine and income taxes for three of the
    last five years. I know a good deal when I see one and I am anxious to get the
    process started before everyone figures it out.

    Simply put, those of us who have been here legally have had to pay taxes every
    year so I’m exci ted about the prospect of avoiding two years of taxes in
    return for paying a $2,000 fine. Is there any way that I can apply to be illegal
    retroactively? This would yield an excellent result for me and my family because
    we paid heavy taxes in 2004 and 2005.

    Additionally, as an illegal alien I could begin using the local emergency room
    as my primary health care provider. Once I have stopped paying premiums for
    medical insurance, my accountant figures I could save almost $10,000 a year.

    Another benefit in gaining illegal status would be that my daughter would
    receive preferential treatment relative to her law school applications, as well
    as ‘in-state’ tuition rates for many colleges throughout the United
    States for my son.

    Lastly, I understand that illegal status would relieve me of the burden of
    renewing my driver’s license and making those burdensome car insurance
    premiums. This is very important to me given that I still have college age
    children driving my car.

    If you would provide me with an outline of the process to become illegal
    (retroactively if possible) and copies of the necessary forms, I would be most
    appreciative. Thank you for your assistance.

    Your Loyal Constituent, (hoping to reach ‘illegal alien’ status rather
    than just a bonafide citizen of the USA)

    Donald Ruppert
    Burlington , IA

    Get your Forms (NOW)!!
    Call your Internal Revenue Service at 1-800-289-1040.

    (Please pass this on to your friends so they can save on this great offer.)

  78. j.b. Says:

    It’s just such a waste of energy, Troy. That’s why I say “almost”. It is a struggle not to-fo sho.

    Actually……………………we should ALL be praying for him…………………………………….Dammit.

  79. Troy Says:

    You know there are some things that one just can’t say on the Internet unless you want the SS knocking on your door, so I’ll just say that I pray for him alright….Grrrrrr

  80. j.b. Says:

    I hear ya.

    Hey, my well armed next door neighbor informed us he is moving next weekend, he got a new job in TEXAS! 🙂
    (Old) El Paso, I guess. Too bad. And he’s taking ALL his ghuns and a*mo, too.

  81. Troy Says:

    This is funny

    http://www.tmz.com/2009/02/04/etta-james-to-beyonce-ill-whoop-your-ass/

  82. Troy Says:

    Hey, my well armed next door neighbor informed us he is moving next weekend, he got a new job in TEXAS!
    (Old) El Paso, I guess. Too bad. And he’s taking ALL his ghuns and a*mo, too.
    ***********************
    Excellent!!!

  83. Troy Says:

    I’m out!!!

  84. j.b. Says:

    Awesomely Awesome: US Soldier Calls Out Mahdi Sympathizers in Iraqi Police
    You thought Christian Bale could toss the f-bomb with aplomb and threaten to kick someone’s ass?

    That was just a cameraman. This cat threatens to kick Mahdi army’s asses personally. He uses the Paul Anka style of leadership to awesome effect.

    A lot of f-bomb here, but worth it. Newsworthy, so you can get away with it, I think.

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/282401.php

    *F bomb warning, or maybe he spells it with a ph. shrugs*
    Definately worth it!

  85. Tenacity Says:

    Folks,
    The real and valid move is to declare yourself as a Free Person of the United States under the Declaration of Independence. I will have more to say about this over the weekend. I have had little time to write hear because I have been on nationwide and statewide conference calls the last 2 nights. Tomorrow night I will be moderating a statewide county coordinator meeting. I have asked a lady here who has been acting as a court advocate regarding declaring independence to present the proper method for becoming a free person. This gal was a CPA and became frustrated with the IRS unlawfully harassing her clients and began researching the Constitution in the early 90’s. She discovered that the IRS is not lawful and has successfully defeated them and helped many others to do so. I look forward to sharing what I learn.

    I hope Troy and j.b. heard last evening that banks do not have the right to require that you show them your 1040’s in order to get a loan. That was news to me and I confirmed it this evening. Very interesting stuff. There will be a lot each of you can do. We are all in a learning process. I want to pull in the best of what several of these groups are doing and affirm the complimentary support across organizations. We will not quit until our rights under the constitution are secured and it will be a cold day in hell before the feds usurp us this way in the future. I’m sure it will happen again, but the memory of this time in history will not soon be forgotten.

  86. j.b. Says:

    G’night, Troy. I hope you see the one I just posted before you “go”.
    I did see that Etta James one earlier. Wonder what she’s got against Big Ears?

  87. j.b. Says:

    Good to hear, Tenacity. I look forward to details. Just tell me where to be and what to do………I’m ready.
    🙂

  88. j.b. Says:

    Oh annnnnnnnnd I declare myself as a Free Person of the United States under the Declaration of Independence.

    How’s that? I like it!

  89. j.b. Says:

    Nitol.

  90. susiezen Says:

    time to make the dognuts. brrr its freezing out there this early in the am…
    great, impassioned posts put out as of late. It amazes me the effort, and will of people on this blog. I wish I could do more to help, but I band with you all, and ive made soma calls. like I said no democrat wants their polls to slide. squeaky wheel gets the grease!
    obama is running his mouth trying to scare us into submission.
    Hes so effing stupid, its not the economy that is scaring the majority. In reality its his ignoring the ticking time bomb of the terrorist!!!!
    HE HAS NOT UTTERED one word about our safety. THERE IS NOT ONE RED CENT IN THE SURPLUS GOING TO DEFENSIVE SPENDING. NONE, ZILCSH!!! what is wrong with this man. the next attack is waiting on the wings of his inactivity, HIS PRETENDING THAT THERE IS NOTHING TO FEAR BUT THE ECONOMY ALONE.
    we are in trouble, I can just feel it in my bones….thats what is so scarey

  91. susiezen Says:

    Hi rose, when so many win the 1ST!! post, I always seem to win the LAST!!! post…probably because im up so early without the little one hanging off my leg. Gives the terrible twos new meaning..
    Any how, would you tell me how to move my post to the new threads. I notice you have done this for me often…thanks.
    oohh..LAST!!!??? Gotta win sometimes, even when ya lose..hehe

  92. rosettasister Says:

    susiezen Says:
    February 6, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    Hi rose, when so many win the 1ST!! post, I always seem to win the LAST!!! post…probably because im up so early without the little one hanging off my leg. Gives the terrible twos new meaning..

    (I hear ya, susie! I used to do the same thing when I had little ones.)

    Any how, would you tell me how to move my post to the new threads. I notice you have done this for me often…thanks.

    (I just copy and paste to new thread, which I am happy to do.)

    oohh..LAST!!!??? Gotta win sometimes, even when ya lose..hehe

    (Well, at least I almost always see your posts. I always look at the last couple posts at bottom of page.

    Which is why I don’t know what’s goin’ on ’round here half the time!

    I’m kinda scared to look at the middle of the night posts!

    Kidding!)

    Rose

  93. CJ Says:

    Wow Obama was off the wall tonight in addressing the Dems at their “retreat”. I think he really fears his will is going to be denied at least in part. He was pretty annoyed at the thought some of the Dems might be against his little plan. Good for them and I hope they can stand tall and vote their consiences.

    Also Tenacity: Re the declaration of being a free citizen. sounds good to me and I’ll do it if it is possible. You mention consulting a CPA who has challenged and won against the IRS. Has any legal authority looked at this and said it is feasible? I would not want to put my family at risk of prosecution for a decision I make. Thanks for all you’re doing.

  94. rosettasister Says:

    Hugh Hewitt interviews Mark Steyn

    Listen here:

    02050901 Hewitt: Hour 1 – Hugh talks politics with Columnist To the World, Mark Steyn, takes calls on the Obama stimulus plan that is losing steam across America, then talks about the future of Republicans with young Atlantic Monthly blogger, Ross Douthat.

    [audio src="http://ht.salemweb.net/townhall/audio/mp3/98282a28-49d1-4578-b995-e04c3d0c06a8.mp3" /]

    Transcript

    Mark Steyn on reviving Minsky’s, big spending government, and Iraq as a functioning democracy

    http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/talkradio/transcripts/Transcript.aspx?ContentGuid=3e3de3d1-c9bb-4161-86bb-681035055959

    EXCERPT

    HH: Now when I talked to Lindsey Graham yesterday, the implication was that the Maine Senators, along with Arlen Specter and George Voinovich, would be the wobblies who would take us to a cloture vote and then to the conference. It is in the interest of the Republicans to have this go on as long as it possibly can go on. What conceivable reason would there be for an even moderate Republican to vote for this, Mark Steyn?

    MS: Well, my sense is that if you take Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins, the nice ladies from Maine, that their constituents are telling them that they think, this stimulus bill is stinking up the joint. So if Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins want to have any influence, the thing is not to join the Obama bandwagon just as the American public is leaping off it, but actually to let this particular bill fail, and then assist the Obama administration in providing some bipartisan cover for whatever comes along to replace it. But if Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins and the other so-called moderate are prepared to actually save this bill, then that doesn’t speak well for their political instincts, apart from anything else.

  95. ddlew2 Says:

    susiezen,

    How EXACTLY do you make DOGNUTS?

  96. NEConservative Says:

    You make the dog nuts by making it watch Obambi speak…. 🙂

    ddlew2 Says:

    February 6, 2009 at 3:45 pm
    susiezen,

    How EXACTLY do you make DOGNUTS?

  97. rosettasister Says:

    Lindsey Graham Hands Barbara Boxer Her ASS

  98. rosettasister Says:

    newsbusted

    February 06, 2009

  99. Tenacity Says:

    CJ,
    First, let me say that we should all pay our lawfully due taxes. In some cases it is advisable that we even pay the unlawful ones. It is however, our duty to challenge that which is unlawful. The risk that one takes to fight income tax on labor is not due to the law, but rather due to the Police State we are living under. The constitution prohibits direct unapportioned tax on labor. Prior, to 1913, our government operated without income tax on labor. Today, a small fraction of the unapportioned tax collected on labor actually goes to run the government, military and provide services (maybe 10% if that).

    In order to gain some basic understanding, you need to be aware of a few historical facts. Even if you are aware of some of this, it will not hurt to refresh. There are diverse opinions on this subject and a lot of disinformation to cover the government’s fraud. Start with these and then search for others.

    http://www.givemeliberty.org/features/taxes/notratified.htm

    http:// www. thelawthatneverwas.com/new/ratification.asp

    I highly recommend that you watch the video on the Fiat Empire:

    http: // video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5232639329002339531&hl=en

  100. Tenacity Says:

    Whoa,
    My last post went to never-never land.

  101. Tenacity Says:

    CJ,
    First, let me say that we should all pay our lawfully due taxes. In some cases it is advisable that we even pay the unlawful ones. It is however, our duty to challenge that which is unlawful. The risk that one takes to fight income tax on labor is not due to the law, but rather due to the Police State we are living under. The constitution prohibits direct unapportioned tax on labor. Prior, to 1913, our government operated without income tax on labor. Today, a small fraction of the unapportioned tax collected on labor actually goes to run the government, military and provide services (maybe 10% if that).

    In order to gain some basic understanding, you need to be aware of a few historical facts. Even if you are aware of some of this, it will not hurt to refresh. There are diverse opinions on this subject and a lot of disinformation to cover the government’s fraud. Start with these and then search for others.

    http:// www. givemeliberty.org/features/taxes/notratified.htm

    http:// www. thelawthatneverwas.com/new/ratification.asp

    I highly recommend that you watch the video on the Fiat Empire:

    http: // video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5232639329002339531&hl=en

    My apology if this shows up twice.

  102. rosettasister Says:

    New Thread:

    https://rosettasister.wordpress.com/2009/02/06/phares-iran%E2%80%99s-fear-of-a-velvet-revolution/

  103. CJ Says:

    Ten: Thanks. Will review the links you gave. I have seen the one on fiat empire and it is very interesting to say the least. I am a big advocate of a gold or silver backed money system which Nixon took us away from in 1971. I am so ready to do things to get this country back on track, but I also want to know what the consequencs of my personal choices could be. Thanks again.

  104. Tenacity Says:

    That was strange. There are http’s that showed up that were not in what was submitted. Weird! Did anyone notice that the “whoa” post showed up before the comment before it?

  105. Ted Says:

    DEAR READER, before Obama has a chance further to “STIMULATE” GOVERNMENT growth, so as further to DEPRESS ECONOMIC freedom and liberty (by his effort to drive our RECESSION into DEPRESSION as pretext for FURTHER government control), it is essential NOW that both the United States Supreme Court AND Military Joint Chiefs of Staff EXERCISE WHAT IS THEIR ABSOLUTE CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY TO DEFEND THE NATION FROM THE INTERNAL THREAT OF USURPATION. OBAMA’S STEADFAST REFUSAL TO OVERCOME “RES IPSA LOQUITUR” on the issue of either his Kenyan birth and/or Kenyan/British father’s citizenship — by his steadfast refusal to supply his long form birth certificate under seal (compounded by his internet posting of a fake “after-the-fact” short form ‘certificate’) — renders him INELIGIBLE TO BE PRESIDENT UNDER ARTICLE 2 OF THE US CONSTITUTION. Being a 14th Amendment “citizen” is not enough. A “President” MUST BE an Article 2 “natural born citizen” AS DEFINED BY THE FRAMERS’ INTENT.

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