“Final Push Underway for Bush to Free Border Agents” by Bobby Eberle

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Sen. John Cornyn is making a final plea to President Bush to free former Border Patrol Agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean. In an open letter to the president, Sen. Cornyn notes that “because of the excesses of the prosecution against them,” Ramos and Compean “will continue to sit alone in those cells for another decade.”

Cornyn is not alone in his efforts to help the former agents. GOP House members are also expressing their frustration with President Bush’s inaction, with Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) saying that the “biggest black mark on his legacy will be if he closes the door to the Oval Office and Ramos and Compean are still behind prison bars.” There are only a few days left before his legacy regarding Ramos and Compean is known.

As background, Agents Ramos and Compean shot an illegal alien as he was fleeing back to the Mexican border. The illegal alien, Osvaldo Aldrete Davila, was in the process of smuggling approximately a million dollars worth of marijuana into the U.S.

U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton decided to prosecute the agents. Sutton granted Davila immunity in exchange for testimony. Sutton said the agents “shot 15 times at an unarmed, fleeing man.” Sutton also claims that the agents “decided to lie about it, cover it up, destroy the evidence, pick up all the shell casings and throw them away where we couldn’t find them, destroy the crime scene and then file a false report.”

As noted by Newsmax.com, “In October 2006, Ramos, who was nominated to be Border Patrol Agent of the Year, was sentenced to 11 years and one day in prison, and Compean received a 12-year sentence.”

In speaking out against the sentences of Ramos and Compean, Sen. Cornyn wrote, “I have reached the conclusion as a senator, a former judge, and a citizen, that the loss of their jobs and the prison time they have already served has been more than enough punishment.” Cornyn called the actions of Sutton to be “prosecutorial overreaching.”

The Hill is reporting on the frustrations of several GOP House members regarding President Bush’s failure to pardon Ramos and Compean. In a news conference Rep. Walter Jones (R-NC) quoted from a letter he sent to the president in which he wrote, “As a man of faith, when a terrible injustice has been done to two Hispanic Americans, for God’s sakes, get down on your knees and pray to God and ask him if you should commute these sentences, because I believe God would tell you yes.”

The Baltimore Examiner has issued an editorial calling for President Bush to pardon the former Border Patrol agents.

A reprimand for not reporting the shooting was in order, but sending Ramos and Compean to prison for trying to stop a drug smuggler seeking to flee justice was excessive. Too often, a pathological sense of “compassion” makes us coddle criminals like Aldrete-Davila, but throw the book at law enforcement officers whenever they err. The public eventually pays the price for such misguided policies.

Ramos and Compean have already served nearly two years, mostly in solitary confinement to protect them from other prisoners.  Even Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., has asked President Bush to at least commute their sentences. Pardoning them before he leaves the White House next week would be even better.

Please contact President Bush and urge him into action during his final days in office. Through GOPUSA, you can send an e-mail to President Bush regarding Ramos and Compean.

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to your friends and co-workers, so that they can contact the president. Ramos and Compean have suffered enough. After two years in prison, they belong with their families.

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269 Responses to ““Final Push Underway for Bush to Free Border Agents” by Bobby Eberle”

  1. Foxtrot Says:

    Here!

  2. hockeyfan530 Says:

    first….numero uno….the big cheese

  3. hockeyfan530 Says:

    I don’t listen to anyone anymore. I don’t listen to any talk radio anymore. I kind of miss it but it’s just not something i want to hear. I hate hearing any of them complaining about barry’s pick for this or that when the real issue isn’t touched. NONE of them talk about the only thing that matters….barry’s not eligible for pete’s sake

    And damn…second

  4. Foxtrot Says:

    Sorry Hockey—-you weren’t first! Hehe!

  5. Foxtrot Says:

    Just call me “cheddar”!

  6. CJ Says:

    Fox: Just put this on prior thread. Has anyone confirmed that cert with the number is legit? Has it been seen by the guy who proved the others were fake Polark? This is a big deal and it’s the first time I’ve seen the supposed cert. with the number on it. Is the guy whose blog this is on legit? Thanks. CJ

  7. hockeyfan530 Says:

    i’m just toe cheese i guess

  8. hockeyfan530 Says:

    All news drives me crazy now. The average american has no clue what’s going on with Barry. I really think there is more proof that barry was born in kenya. This is just going to blind side people. Tack on Berg’s sealed case and it’s going to blow people away!

  9. CJ Says:

    Polarik. Sorry.

  10. Foxtrot Says:

    CJ– I have no way of knowing if the cert number is real for certain, I only posted what I read. The guy who posted, as you can see, was genuine about not knowing if it was real. He came across it and thought it was astounding that he found it WITH a cert number, as we all know it was blacked out on Obama’s certificate on Factcheck.org.

    How would we go about finding out? It is too early in Hawaii to call right now.

  11. Foxtrot Says:

    Hockey- “toe cheese?” eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwww!

  12. Foxtrot Says:

    Hockey, after speaking with Berg yesterday for 10 minutes, I feel much better that Obama WILL be caught/found out. It doesn’t sound like it will be before the election though, which is unfortunate though because he can do alot more damage and hide alot more when he has that power. That is what I am worried about!

  13. hockeyfan530 Says:

    this is from Orly’s site

    Dr Taitz-

    I just wanted to touch base to say how much I enjoyed having you on the show tonight. We had a lot of listeners, as call traffic was very heavy after the show. Many people haven’t heard anything about your cases and I think we made a splash here in Obama country. Thanks again for taking the time to talk to our listeners about this very important topic and break it down for people to whom this is all totally NEW. As this continues to develop I’d like to stay in touch and perhaps have you on again. I also have our interview on MP3 and am posting it on my site. If you’d like a copy of it to post please let me know.

    Sincerely,
    Patrick

  14. Foxtrot Says:

    Worth reposting in case someone can locate this certificate with the number today.
    _________________________________

    Foxtrot Says:

    January 15, 2009 at 3:00 pm
    Well, this is interesting! Someone has Obama’s fake bc with the cert number on it! Remember, it was blacked out from the one Obama provided. Don’t know if it is legit, but it is worth viewing at link below.

    http://hubpages.com/hub/Barack-Obama–The-Birth-Certificate-Controversy

  15. Foxtrot Says:

    I think Orly is a crazy lady!

  16. susie hudson Says:

    hey, im up there 7 Or 8?….whos going to buy obamas old car…only one million {starting bid}…..ooooohhhh the arrogance cant he just sit back and be a little humble. hes all over the place. from the obama channel to auctioning off his old limo…how embarrassing that he feels so important to make the news every 16.2 minutes over frivolous junkets. its a wonder he needs his own channel to keep up with the constant announcements….by the way, new pole, what color should obamas new limo be…shadow black or slate black. you make the calll….aaaaaahahahahahahahAHA

  17. Foxtrot Says:

    I pray that sealed case of Berg’s is open this Friday so we can hear about it! I am just dying to know!

  18. Foxtrot Says:

    I think someone early on stated the sealed case was relative to Obama and him having run for Senate? Not certain, but that is the speculation.

  19. hockeyfan530 Says:

    susie, isn’t it disgusting!? You would think david beckam and posh spice were flying into to LA or something! This man has accomplished NOTHING in his political career and he’s already being labelled as a great man. Wait until the truth comes out! Man, i hope so….I really will be crushed if he isn’t exposed (no, troy not exposed in “that” way) as being the biggest fraud in US history! Man, I want this man to be knocked down lower than low…I hope he needs a ladder to scratch a snakes belly

  20. jc Says:

    The document Foxtrot is talking about is one of the documents Polarik used in his studies. He zeros in on the Seal in his fraud. These pictures have been out for quite awhile and are included in his report. I guess it may be time to go over that report again.

  21. Foxtrot Says:

    He will be found out! We all just have to have faith!

  22. Foxtrot Says:

    j.c.– I wonder why the cert number was there at one time, than gone for the rest? He must have figured out we could tell it was a fraud by looking up the cert number. Who knows! The real reason I posted it was because that image had been scrubbed from everywhere! It is amazing this guy still had it.

  23. Foxtrot Says:

    Gotta run some errands! I don’t want to go out in the cold!!!! 😦

  24. hockeyfan530 Says:

    is anyone able to get to the hub link above for the BC?

  25. hockeyfan530 Says:

    It was 3degrees this morning driving into work!

  26. Foxtrot Says:

    Holy crap! I just saw the certificate before I posted it. Has it been scrubbed already?

  27. Foxtrot Says:

    Hockey– I got it when I copies and pasted it into a new window. It does show up.

    http://hubpages.com/hub/Barack-Obama–The-Birth-Certificate-Controversy

  28. hockeyfan530 Says:

    using the link above I get

    Sorry that hub does not exist.

  29. hockeyfan530 Says:

    thanks fox, your link worked

    Does the number look fake to anyone else? It Looks too dark compared to the rest of the document and too large size

  30. susie hudson Says:

    H-fan, I have never in my life been as disgusted in a person as I am obama. The worst part of all my animosity and pure hatred for this dispicable human being is that he is so LOVED by so many. it makes absolutely no sense to me that this evil thing is getting away with it. WHAT IF HES NEVER FOUND OUT!!! what if he continues being loved, admired, WORSHIPPED, like he is. what does this say about our country?
    oh, they already started the mural of barry…15 feet high!!!just clearing the white houses ceiling???shoot it

  31. Foxtrot Says:

    Okay, I went to the Hawaii Department of Health website and entered the certificate number in the search box. It comes back saying, “Your search – certificate number. 151 1961 – 010641 – did not match any documents.” Wow, what a surprise!

  32. Foxtrot Says:

    Yes, Hockey, it does look darker than the rest of the document.

  33. hockeyfan530 Says:

    Fox, i think you may be taking that number out of context….That is the number it would be if the document was real! LOL

  34. hockeyfan530 Says:

    it just looks out of place…like the number is screaming Hey Look at me!

  35. Foxtrot Says:

    Interesting!!! If you put the name “Barack Hussein Obama II” into the search box on the Hawaii Department of Health’s website, it pops up a form letter!

  36. Foxtrot Says:

    No, Hockey, I get that! I am saying that they probably picked a random number that they thought would look official and used it for the fake document.

  37. hockeyfan530 Says:

    fox, I was just joking about what Obama would say when the number was proven to be fake.

    do you have the form letter link?

  38. susie hudson Says:

    is obamas ss# 042/ A con. # for the year 1971.

  39. rosettasister Says:

    I’ve updated post at top of page.

    Please have a look.

    Thanks,

    Rose

  40. hockeyfan530 Says:

    someone from another site said it was from CT form 76/77. I’ll try to find the site/link

  41. Foxtrot Says:

    OKAY FOLKS, I THINK I STUMBLED ON TO SOMETHING HERE! If you put “Barack Hussein Obama II” into the search box on the Hawaii Department of Health’s website, you first see a few lines of text that you can click on to go to the form letter I spoke about.

    Here is the strange part! What year did Obama run for Senate? Does anyone know? LOOK VERY CLOSELY BEFORE YOU CLICK ON IT TO GO TO THE FORM LETTER, IT SAYS :

    [PDF] For Immediate Release: December 26, 2002File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat – View as HTML
    Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate …
    hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2008/08-93.pdf

    Are you seeing what I am seeing? The date is December 26, 2002!!!! Isn’t that when he ran for the Senate. The letter is dated October of 2008! Do you think he did the same thing when he ran for State Senate and they simply changed the letter’s date to reflect all the newer inquiries for President?

  42. jc Says:

    All the COLB pictures are available to look at from Polariks report at Obamacrimes. Even if they try to scrub them now Polarik has them. I found it odd as well that the first certificate had the number crossed out and the second set of pictures it was showing. Also the first certificate does not show the seal, but the second set of pictures after much hoo-hooing about a seal, shows a seal.

    From Polariks report:

    “Now, here comes the coup de grâce — that’s French for a “death blow” — that really does deal a death blow to these bogus photos ever being real. Ready?

    If you recall from the above discussion, I demonstrated, fairly convincingly, why the Seal shown in all of the photos did not resemble the real 2007 Seal in any meaningful way. There’s a good reason why:

    The Seal is actually a 2008 Seal! And the Registrar’s stamp is actually a 2008 Registrar stamp!”

  43. Foxtrot Says:

    No. Susie—042 is from Connecticut from the years 1976 and 1977

  44. susie hudson Says:

    why would he get a # in ’71. I was born ’64 got my card in’ 65..

  45. Foxtrot Says:

    Susie, parents were not required to have a social security number for their kids until the mid to late 70’s. That is not the rub though. Obama never lived in CT so how could his SS start with that prefix? He also lived in Hawaii during that time.

  46. Foxtrot Says:

    j.c — I recall Polarik then recanting that seal from 2008 statement. I think he found out that the same seal was used for 2007 and 2008 after all. I believe he admitted this on several sites and interviews. I may be wrong, but I don’t think so.

  47. susie hudson Says:

    ok 76 and 77. what did he use for a card/# before that. Does anyone know if he had high sch. jobs. I needed my card @ 14 yrs old. worked in a conv. store……did he work as a teen

  48. Foxtrot Says:

    Obama was in the Senate from 1996 to 2004–I just looked it up. Why oh why would that be dated from December of 2002? Any suggestions besides “typo”?

  49. jc Says:

    Fox,
    I know he recanted on the borders being used in multiple years but I just looked at the report. (It is long) and as far as I can tell he still stands by the seal information.

  50. Foxtrot Says:

    Susie, if he was a foreign citizen, he would simply have been required to provide his passport (which we all believe was INdonesian). Very simple.

  51. Foxtrot Says:

    Gosh, j.c., I do remember him sort of having egg on his face when that tidbit came out. He went under for a while after that. I think it was on Berg’s site, as well as many others. I really have to go but I will try to look into it when I get back.

  52. susie hudson Says:

    hmm …he has a fake ss#. is it someone elses…. martha coakly

  53. sliderblaze Says:

    that hub link is to an article that takes fact checks word on the COLB. is that wat it was suppose to be?

  54. susie hudson Says:

    wow now we know who killed martha….

  55. NEConservative Says:

    Fox,

    Rush seemed perfectly at ease discussing it. He even went into detail how the Prez and staff gave him a b-day cake and sang happy b-day. He flat out said he didn’t attend the evening ‘journalists’ dinner with BO. His deal with the Prez was during the day, and he said that he flew home that evening.

    Foxtrot Says:

    January 15, 2009 at 3:49 pm
    Does anyone listen to RUSH L? I can’t stand the man, so I won’t. Was wondering if he seemed uncomfortable talking about his meeting in Washington

  56. sliderblaze Says:

    Rangel to reintroduce military draft measure

    well, rangel is at it again, and this time, they cant pin it on Bush like they tried to in 2004

  57. Foxtrot Says:

    Anybody have anything on my post above?

    [PDF] For Immediate Release: December 26, 2002File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat – View as HTML
    Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-1 prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate …
    hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2008/08-93.pdf

  58. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Fox – I will need to double check but I think I remember the seal being used in 06 and 08 but not 07…

  59. hockeyfan530 Says:

    fox, here’s his political timeline

    http://uspolitics.about.com/od/senators/a/barack_obama.htm

    I think we already know why barry didn’t need any proof of his birth certificate for his time in the IL senate. Perhaps 2002 was in preperation for a more national job.

  60. Foxtrot Says:

    NECon– When is Rush ever calm? LOL!!!

  61. Foxtrot Says:

    Okay– I really have to go. I will check back later!

  62. hockeyfan530 Says:

    interesting time for barry

    2001 – Obama receives legal services contract with Illinois firm owned by Robert Blackwell, Jr. A few months later, Obama writes a letter on Illinois Senate letterhead in support of a tourism grant for a different Blackwell company. The next day, “Obama’s U.S. Senate campaign received a $1,000 donation from Blackwell… In the presidential race he is credited on Obama’s website with committing to raise $100,000 to $200,000 for Obama’s campaign.”

    Obama reported $98,158 income for providing legal services; $80,000 was from Blackwell’s firm.”Illinois ethics disclosure forms are designed to reveal possible financial conflicts by lawmakers… Obama did not specify that EKI provided him with the bulk of the private-sector compensation he received… he attached a multi-page list of all the law firm’s clients, which included EKI among hundreds.”

    2002, Nov – Democrats usurp Republican control of the Illinois Senate

    2003-2004 – Obama amasses his legislative record, serves as chair of the Health and Human Services Committee

    2003 – Obama begins running for US Senate; the leading Democratic candidate will withdraw in 2004 due to a sex scandal that Obama’s campaign urged the Chicago Tribune to report.

    2003 – David Axelrod [begins having] camera crews [track] virtually everything Obama has done in public.” He uses this footage to create a five-minute Internet video for the 16 Jan. 2007 announcement that Obama is running for president.

    2004, Mar – Obama wins the primary with 52% of the vote

    2004, Jun – Obama’s Republican opponent withdraws due to sex scandal

    2004, Aug – Democratic National Convention address

  63. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Fooooooxy – don’t be dissing Rush TOOO much around here – I’ll bet I am not his only fan here…

  64. thinkingmom11 Says:

    With that – I gotta run – kids to feed and educate….have a great day and I will catch up later!

  65. hockeyfan530 Says:

    from the time line above

    2003 – David Axelrod [begins having] camera crews [track] virtually everything Obama has done in public.” He uses this footage to create a five-minute Internet video for the 16 Jan. 2007 announcement that Obama is running for president.

    this just screams the fix is in. This has been set up for years! This sucks people! This is Manchurian candidate stuff for sure. We are in a peck of trouble of we let barry sit in the white house. This is crazy

  66. hockeyfan530 Says:

    by the way i do realize that this whole thing started in barry’s college years but the marketing campaign started in 2003. I really hate Barry. I don’t use that word very often but this man and everyone connected with are just sickening!

  67. NEConservative Says:

    See Fox, that’s why you need to listen to him — he’s usually calm – meaning not yelling and screaming, etc. I get your joke and am not in any way offended….last night’s xxx rated discussion tho…hmmmm lol

  68. Troy Says:

    CJ Says:

    January 15, 2009 at 3:56 pm
    Fox: Has there been any follow-up on that cert with the number revealed? Is it legit? That is a big deal fi it is true. Has it been forwarded to Polarik I wonder, the guy who proved the certs were fake? First time I’ve seen this presented with the number and am really curious where it really came from. CJ
    **********************************************
    Whoever wrote that article is so far behind the 8 eight ball that it isn’t even funny…..The COLB that they showed was one that Polarik made minced meat of ass being faked….The idiots used sources like FactCheck.org and Snopes and Fight the Smears…..Give me a break!!!

  69. NEConservative Says:

    yay, Rush is on now

  70. sliderblaze Says:

    NEC, whats amazing is those that bash the most, never listen. It’s amazing to hear people on tv bash him, and put quotes up, an i’m like, i was listening, thats now what he said at all……

    monologue is on…bback

  71. jrh Says:

    Foxtrot, I’m pretty sure this is the ‘sealed’ case you are asking about. Koyaan posted this here a while back. It is about O as Senator.

    http://www.q-audio.com/berg_complaint.pdf

  72. sdee Says:

    sliderblaze wrote: ””Rangel to reintroduce military draft measure……well, rangel is at it again, and this time, they cant pin it on Bush like they tried to in 2004””

    Slider, yeah Rangle has tried this before. He plays the “economic fairness” card – gets him votes. But I think it may be very different this time. Soros policies (and other UN-Oneworld types) need to shift control of US military to the UN and are going to force Bo to paint our soldiers’ helmets blue – probably tens of thousands. Bo has said he likes this idea.

    It is the kiss of death to put the strongest proudest protectors of the free world under the UN puppets, pansies and crooks. When they do this, enlistment and re-enlistment will plummet and a draft will be needed. Fine with them – they won’t need the caliber of soldiers we have now just to play nice in the UN.

    This is one potentially serious threat to America- a move I plan to keep an eye on.

  73. rosettasister Says:

    Obama Relative Plaintiff in New BC Case!

    Dr. Orly Taitz was on with the Evil Conservative last night on

    http://www.wvox.com/

    You can listen to the show here in two parts:

    http://www.evilconservativeonline.com/2009/01/dr-orly-taitz-interview-on-wvox-11409.html

    The Evil Conservative also has a Blog Talk Radio show:

    Upcoming Show: 1/15/2009 9:00 PM (Mountain?)

    Every Tuesday and Thursday at 11PM EDT

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/theevilconservative/

  74. sliderblaze Says:

    rosettasister Says:
    January 15, 2009 at 5:12 pm

    Obama Relative Plaintiff in New BC Case!
    ———————————————-

    uh…WHAT!!!

  75. hockeyfan530 Says:

    yeah what slider said

  76. susie hudson Says:

    just a quick story, kinda, if your interested.
    My buddies uncle works for the state Troopers in Vermont. I occasionally hear weird stories from him, mostly because Vermont is such an oddity of a state, very strange. no offense, it is a lovely place, as different as it is. anyhow, it seems to have a very large underground following of kl.kl klan. supposenly the largest and most organized in the us. a dangerous group of people my friend tells me because they are educated drs, and lawyers and the likes. now, they dont run around with sheets on. they actually gather and discuss a threat to our way of life in america. they can be considered a group of realist banning together to protect america from america, the legal citizens who live here but hate some of us us…my friends uncle seems to think they are a little paranoid and it may be true….they are extremely secretive, not many know of them especially who they are…do not be surprised if one of these somewhat grass root groups isnt fully planned and prepared for something even too big for the secret service. I dont know. its only rumors. but we are living in a different world, with all kinds of different people.

  77. hockeyfan530 Says:

    perhaps it’s barry’s hut dwelling brother in kenya getting the last laugh! Yeah, that greedy S.O.B. was born in kenya….you damn right he was! Barry you just got served! In your face! SNAP!

  78. rosettasister Says:

    If you go here:

    http://www.evilconservativeonline.com/2009/01/dr-orly-taitz-interview-on-wvox-11409.html

    First, pause BTR

    Then, there are two videos at bottom of post

    2nd part, after approx. 7:00 Neil Turner calls in and then Orly starts talking about this blood relative of Obama who is a plaintiff

  79. susie hudson Says:

    ps. my last post I tried to be pc. There are some nasty scary people out there, and that is obvious with all the threats being received. I personally want to see barry obama handcuffed and put on trial for all the lies and deception he carried out onto this nation. his disrespect for this country and what it stands for can only be met with punishment by the us legal system. it would only be fitting that our founding fathers words of law would put barry away as if they rose from the dead to try barry alone for his unlawful ways.

  80. calli Says:

    I like Rush!! He tells it like it is!! He always makes me laugh. We all need to gear up for 2012!! I am looking forward to seeing Palin in the running!! At least she is real and not a fake!!! As an independent, I don’t think I will ever vote democrat again!! Palin has my vote!!!

  81. rosettasister Says:

    To: Blood of Tyrants

    Folks, Berg started this case on Aug 21 but then Obama and the DNC filed a Motion to Dismiss claiming that Berg lacked “standing,” which he did, and the subsequent cases were dismissed.

    However, there were several rewrites, and a TRO issued in the interim before it went to SCOTUS.

    The writ that Berg wrote asked SCOTUS to make a judgment on a case still pending aa ruling of the Court of Appeals. In the writ, Berg mentions that he first took his case to the United States District Court, Eastern District of Pennsylvania. Then it went to Third Circuit Court of Appeals, who has not rendered a final judgment on it.

    SCOTUS can grant a writ before a judgment is made in a lower court, if it feels that it is sufficently warranted.

    But, here’s the deal: with a conference on the injunction itself scheduled the following week, the writ became irrelevant and was logically denied.

    People think of this denial as ahother loss for Berg. They need to think again.

    Remember that Berg’s original motion for injunctive relief had undergone several modifications, before and after being denied.

    In its final form, the injunction covered the actions from the certification of Electors at the state level, to the vote by Electors, and to the count of the votes made by the House. What makes this a whole, new ballgame is that Berg now has standing to prosecute his case, and the separate interpleader case with Hollister is a double-barreled shotgun.

    The way I see it: Obama will have to show his vault birth certificate, as the precedent was established by John McCain in answer to the same eligibility issue. He provided the evidence and was subsequently certified as eligible by vote of Congress, whereas Obama has not shown any real documents and did not received the same Congressional confirmation given to McCain.

    Under Amendment XX, Congress has the power to determine if a President-elect is qualified to serve, and to establish HOW that vetting will be done. Congress established the process in this election by vetting a Presidential candidate, and therefore, the process can and should be applied to the President-elect, as well.

    There is no way that Obama is going to serve as President w/o proving his eligibility. If Obama refuses to provide his vault BC, he will then be held in contempt of court, and spend Jan 20 behind bars.

    1,316 posted on Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:27:33 AM by Polarik

  82. sdee Says:

    nasty scary people? Consider Soros, the man pulling Bo’s strings and calling the shots for the Democratic party now. Consider what he did to Hungarian Jews in WWII and that he even now admits to having no regrets or conscience…………….Soros on 60 Minutes:

    http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2008/06/15/soross-new-hostile-takeover-democratic-party.html

  83. rosettasister Says:

    We need people in DC to hand deliver documents to SCOTUS today, call me 949-683-5411 if you can deliver today

    http://drorly.blogspot.com/2009/01/we-need-people-in-dc-to-hand-deliver.html

  84. Foxtrot Says:

    Rose, I just listened to that second video. Orly actually starts talking about the relative of Obama around 5:55 left on the tape. FYI.

    Wow! A Relative of Obama, from his mother’s side! And Orly said he was an officer in our military–that is why he is part of her suit!

  85. Foxtrot Says:

    One thing I forgot to mention after speaking to Phil yesterday . . . he said that Dr. Orly was removed from the Keyes case! As I said before, I think it is wonderful that she is trying to get this through like the rest of us, but I think she is a little whacky! Berg mentioned two people who are actually damaging the “place of birth” story in the news, instead of helping. Can you guess what two they are?

  86. Troy Says:

    Anyone that can prove that they are a blood relative of Obama has the legal right under Hawaiian law to get a copy of Obama’s birth certificate….That’s a fact as stated by Hawaii officials.

  87. rosettasister Says:

    Linda Bentley’s most recent article at Sonoran News:

    “Supreme Court denies petition in Berg v. Obama”

    http://www.sonorannews.com/archives/2009/090114/frntpgSupreme.html

  88. Troy Says:

    well, one would obviously be Ed Hale

  89. Foxtrot Says:

    Well, this post is scary! (from another blog)
    ______________________________
    written by Just plain Linda, January 15, 2009

    ISNA, a Muslim group associated with CAIR, is listed as a group on the new Obama/.gov volunteer website. Too busy to look up, but the whole story was on Atlas Shrugs a few days ago.

  90. Foxtrot Says:

    Troy – (my pointer finger gently tapping the tip of my nose)

  91. Foxtrot Says:

    Troy, the relative of Obama who filed for the birth certificate DID file for a copy. He was told he would have to wait a year!!! What the heck!! Why would that be? Can’t he get an attorney to get it now?

  92. Foxtrot Says:

    Oops, I meant “the relative of Obama who filed as a part of the lawsuit DID file for a copy of Obama’s birth certificate”

  93. Troy Says:

    He should file a suit demanding it

  94. Foxtrot Says:

    Slider and Troy– This is why you need to be careful what you say about Obama!
    __________________________________

    written by bottdog, January 15, 2009

    Remember when we all got a little nervous re the post for wishing BO harm? Turns out there was good reason. I urge ALL to post carefully.
    From Ray’s above article:

    A California man was reportedly arrested last week for posting a note on an Internet message board predicting “he (Obama) will have a 50 cal(iber) in the head soon.”

  95. Foxtrot Says:

    Troy – I agree! Isn’t that logical? Why won’t Orly do that instead? She already has the relative onboard for her other case!

  96. Foxtrot Says:

    Unprecedented Troop level being reported by the MSM for D.C.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20…0115063336

  97. Troy Says:

    I have never posted anything wishing Obama harm, but if they want to try to arrest me for telling Obama to kiss my ass, then bring it on….My lawsuit will make national news!!!!

  98. Troy Says:

    Foxtrot Says:

    January 15, 2009 at 6:17 pm
    Troy – I agree! Isn’t that logical? Why won’t Orly do that instead? She already has the relative onboard for her other case!
    ********************************************
    It’s probably in the works

  99. Foxtrot Says:

    More radio hosts being summoned for that meeting in D.C. Here is another post.
    _________________________________

    Mike Gallagher went to “SECRET MEETING”……
    written by Bill Severini, January 15, 2009

    I was listening to Mike Gallgher the other day on the radio and he too announced that he was going to attend “a secret meeting in D.C.” and no one would tell him what it was in reference too.

  100. rosettasister Says:

    Found at Hot Air:

    O/T Sarah Palin is going to be Glenn Beck’s first guest on his new show Mon. onFNC @5 p.m. EST

  101. Tenacity Says:

    This are re-posts from late last night when I got home from the Colorado prep meeting for the Continental Congress.

    Bob Schulz is a lot more interesting in person than he was at the D.C. press conference. The Colorado prep meeting for the Continental Congress was well attended. Preacher count was about 300. Okay, there was more like 250. We all got quite a history lesson on the constitution as well as the abuses that have been perpetrated upon it. I will let Katie report more on the details because she was taking notes.

    I must say, Schulz is a stand-up guy. His knowledge and sincerity runs deep. I perceive his motives to be 100% patriotic. I also perceive the We The People Congress to be a worthy endeavor. To be successful, this movement may need our help. There are a bunch of splintered factions out here in the land of blog. Regardless of whether you are Dem or Rep, we all oughta be able to rally around the U.S. Constitution. I want to invite each of you to give me your input as to how we can best pull those splintered factions together (seriously) to increase the mass to go along with the inertia that has already been started. Several talking heads have mentioned this…that the people need to channel there energy, efforts and resources in order to be effective.

    So I am not joking around here. I would like to put forth a viable plan to WTPF. I have some ideas, but collectively this is an awesome think tank cause Rose’s Gang Rocks. We can make a difference. If you have something to share with me that would better be said in private, please send it to Rose or Cindy if you don’t have access directly to me. I believe they will forward it to me. TIA Rose and Cindy. Let them know if it is okay to share your contact info with me. Your feedback on this will not be wasted. TIA to those willing to share your ideas with me.

    When I was speaking to Bob Schulz last night, I made the point that it would be wonderful if the PUMAs got behind the WTP Congress. WTP avoids political issues and focuses on restoring and preserving the constitution. To be effective, WTP needs the support of not less than 5% of the voting public. The PUMAs could be a major stepping stone toward achieving that percentage. Schulz and WTP would love to establish a dialogue with them. Any ideas on how to accomplish that?

    It was an interesting night at the Forum…CC prep meeting. This is not a new battle for many of the folks that attended. I was surprised at the average age of the attendees. Some from the Constitution Party. Schulz is very engaging. He doesn’t dodge any questions and is very approachable. His lengthy background in fighting city hall is fascinating. During the meeting, I confronted him about being a “laughing stock” and standing his ground for all these years. He rolled his eyes shaking his head in agreement and smiled. I had just made the point that Ron Paul stated that any Senator or Congressman that objected to Obama’s qualifications on January the 8th would be a laughing stock and Paul failed to raise an objection. There was a strong contingent of RP supporters present.

  102. Foxtrot Says:

    Just a thought but Justice Scalia was missing from the “secret meeting” yesterday. The case was sent to Scalia! Maybe he didn’t want it to be uncomfortable because he is going to bring the hammer down on Obama! A girl can dream, can’t she? Wouldn’t that be something?

  103. Troy Says:

    Ten,
    Did you enjoy last night’s postings?…Lmaoooo

  104. Foxtrot Says:

    Anyone else notice that Biden has been nowhere to be found? He went to SCOTUS yesterday, but other than that, NOTHING! Very odd.

  105. Troy Says:

    Any time there are any type of SECRET meetings anywhere in DC nothing good can come from it…The practice needs to be outlawed!!!

  106. Foxtrot Says:

    Troy, don’t even bring last night up! LOL!

  107. Troy Says:

    Biden has been told to STF up and stay away from the media…He is being a good lil boy now.

  108. Tenacity Says:

    Troy,
    Did I hear someone say Llama?

  109. Troy Says:

    Hahaha

  110. Troy Says:

    Ten,
    It sounds like the meeting last night was very good…I hope it continues to grow by leaps and bounds.

  111. Tenacity Says:

    You guys were having too much fun last night. It’s probably a good thing that I missed the Dollard show. Did anyone learn anything new of value?

  112. Troy Says:

    Yeah, there were a few not previously known details released by Larry.

  113. Foxtrot Says:

    Ten- No, nothing new for me as I have been following Larry’s website for quite a while now–a year to be exact! But it was graphic and interesting, to say the least!

  114. sdee Says:

    Foxtrot Says: Well, this post is scary! (from another blog)

    written by Just plain Linda, January 15, 2009

    ISNA, a Muslim group associated with CAIR, is listed as a group on the new Obama/.gov volunteer website. Too busy to look up, but the whole story was on Atlas Shrugs a few days ago.

    ______________________________

    Fox, we are just seeing the tip of the iceberg -these coalitions have long been in the works.

    Ingrid Mattson, the first woman president of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) will offer prayer at Bo’s inauguration. Islamist and Terrorist sponsor blessing for our country! Beginning to see why he picked Rick Warren first as the warm up act?- it gives him cover to bring in these creeps.

  115. Troy Says:

    I was a kickass interview…No punches were held back and the verbage was out of this world….LOL

  116. Foxtrot Says:

    Troy, I would describe the “verbage” more like “BASE” and “GRAPHIC!!! lol!

  117. Troy Says:

    I won’t be watching the mutha effer’s inauguration….Not my pres and never will be!!!!

  118. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    you can still hear it Ten

  119. Tenacity Says:

    Troy et al,
    My plea for help above in as serious as I can be. I established a good rapport with Schulz. He is not an experienced blogger, but he recognizes the importance of getting accurate (counter-disinformation) information out on the web. He also recognizes the need to channel the power of the various internet based groups into a single force. He would like for us via yours truly to advise and act proactively in that vein. I want all of us to help.

  120. CJ Says:

    5:05 HockeyFan( by the way, Sabres are my team! Miserable loss last night to the Hawks): Isn’t it also interesting how Axelrod was already on board at that early date. I know they are Chicago buds, but who was pulling the strings for a national run that early? Or were they? Interesting to look at a timeline laid out isn’t it? Guess they have had a lot of years to purge all the incriminationg evidence on the One. What will they say if the real BC shows up somehow? They will try to prove it’s fake. This could go on forever. I would like to see the passport issue more investigated. Seems that might be harder to fake but if “24” has any truth, anything can be forged to look real! But heck, they will just lie about it. Lawyers can delay anything, especially if they have help from the judges.

  121. igaveup Says:

    “Biden has been nowhere to be found”

    sounds normal for biden. 🙂

  122. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    inflation, deflation,
    half empty, half full,
    half up, half down

    depends on how you look at it

  123. igaveup Says:

    i just realized, today is the day api was going to sue “officers” of fox.
    wonder what is going to be the excuse this time.

    they won’t be able to talk because they “settled” for money without the airing of the tape and due to the “confidentiality” clause in the settlement, korir won’t be able to comment.

    that is his way out.

  124. Tenacity Says:

    igaveup,
    That’s a hard name for me to say. You don’t need to give K any ideas. He’s quite proficient at generating malarkey all on his own.

  125. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    I passed the blog on to a person at plains chat….
    things hit that fan last night over at Ed’s

    some woke up and figured out ED is a fake…..the chat is now split in two places…. many are angry over their money donations, and demanding it back

  126. Foxtrot Says:

    igaveup– API is a “four letter word” on this site! We don’t discuss it anymore, if we don’t have to!

  127. Tenacity Says:

    I remember when Johnny Carson used to retire running jokes. Isn’t it time we retired API? We should have a wake and agree to never speak of it again. Who would like to make the final arrangements?

  128. Foxtrot Says:

    ED IS CRAZY!!! HE HAS BEEN CRAZY FROM THE GET-GO!

  129. Foxtrot Says:

    Ten– I will come up with the appropriate Eulogy, if you come up with the burial!

  130. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Ten
    I read your email last night…. and it sounds good…
    one thing he needs to do is get his own blog going….that will help more than anything to get it off the ground

  131. Tenacity Says:

    Igave,
    You’re not Leo Donofrio are you? I think you should change your handle to OKayI’mBack.

  132. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Fox

    yeah Ed is crazy

    but some of his following is good people,.. I’m trying to lead them this way…
    I am going to listen Friday…. the constitution expert guy Ed will be on there…… Ed drives me nuts….. but I listen to his guest

  133. Tenacity Says:

    Cindy,
    He says there is one on his site, but I got the impression it needed a more proactive moderator (as he said “a blogger”). I haven’t checked it out, but it sounded like he needs a Rose or Linda Starr.

  134. Foxtrot Says:

    I received the best card today! On the front it has a cartoon of Obama and Biden in a canoe, in the middle of a creek. They look frantic and have no paddles with them. Then, on the inside, it says “Rosetta Gang ROCKS!” Had you all goin’ there for a bit!?!?!

  135. Foxtrot Says:

    JAC- As my brother used to say, “Good stinkin’!”

  136. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Ten,
    hmm i could take a shift,… always best if there was more than one

  137. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Fox

    you read that post on the last thread about pluma?

  138. Foxtrot Says:

    Oh brother! Obama using Lincoln’s bible to be sworn in. Here is the link.

    http://www.topix.com/forum/us/TRSU66087N0A416UG

  139. Foxtrot Says:

    JAC– no, haven’t gotten to it yet.

  140. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Fox

    yeah and I heard Bo is going to come in on train just like Lincoln did..

    makes me gag……… was born and raised in “The land of Lincoln” Illinois
    shames me the bad rep my home state has

  141. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    a laugh……. Ed Hale

    http://theregulator.net/?p=1852

  142. Troy Says:

    Ten,
    I sent you an email

  143. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    A must read on puma

    http://www.cusc.org/

  144. Troy Says:

    justanamericancindy4 Says:

    January 15, 2009 at 7:02 pm
    Fox

    yeah and I heard Bo is going to come in on train just like Lincoln did..
    *********************************************
    Hopefully they will make a stop at the Ford Theater!!!

  145. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Excerpt from puma>
    __________________
    JANUARY 13, 2009
    DEMOCRATIC GROUP PUMA PAC REQUESTS ALL CITIZENS CONTACT FEDERAL ELECTION COMMISSION REGARDING IRREGULARITIES IN 2008 ELECTION CAMPAIGN

    FEDERAL ELECTION COMMISSION CURRENTLY REVIEWING ELECTION THIS WEEK AND IS ACCEPTING COMMENTS FROM CITIZENS

    (WASHINGTON, D.C.) The PUMA political action committee is making an urgent request for all U.S. citizens to contact the Federal Election Commission this week. A spokesman for the group says people could call 1-800-424-9530 and ask for the General Counsel office (option 0, extension 1650 on their automated system). Alternatively, the Office of General Counsel can be contacted directly at area code 202, 694-1650.

    The FEC is meeting this week to discuss changes to its oversight processes. Please send them an email and call today and tell them to “Audit the Obama Campaign!”

    After $750 million dollars of money raised from undisclosed donors, foreigners, and corporate bundlers, Obama has blazed the trail for future candidates to simply bypass public funding and BUY the Oval Office. This is totally unacceptable, and only the threat of an audit will keep these politicians honest. Tell them to audit the Obama Campaign.

    PUMA PAC says that their work is keeping the story of the millions and millions of dollars in shady campaign contributions is not being brushed under the rug, and their work is already receiving national attention.

  146. Foxtrot Says:

    Okay, I know you all will be so jealous of me! The UPS guy just dropped off the book I ordered online. It is the one by Bernard Goldberg entitled, “A Slobbering Love Affair Starring Barack Obama”. Subtitle is: “The True (and Pathetic) Story of the Torrid Romance Between Barack Obama and the Mainstream Media”.

    Got jealous, rosetta gang? Hehe!

  147. Foxtrot Says:

    I love them PUMAS!!!!!

  148. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Fox

    sticking out my tongue and blowing a raspberry

  149. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    yeah yeah yeah,…… but I live close enough to borrow it 🙂

  150. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Troy

    Ford Theater……lol
    not nice

  151. Troy Says:

    justanamericancindy4 Says:

    January 15, 2009 at 7:08 pm
    Troy

    Ford Theater……lol
    not nice
    **********************
    but it’s such a historical place…hehehe

  152. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    interesting video
    Troy you would probably be interested in this…… part 1

  153. hockeyfan530 Says:

    cj, I’m a blues fan myself. And the way they’ve been the last few years they’re singing the blues quite a bit as am i. Every loss for the blues is pretty much expected these days…but i still watch every game.

    As for axelrod and everyone else involved in this i hope they all spend the rest of their lives in prison!

    The first time i heard of ed hale i listened on his show saying that he had the Kenyan BC coming to 3 different people in the states. I was so stoked! I thought we had barry. Then i did a little research on hale and started to think he wasn’t to be trusted. Then this same sort of thing happened a couple more times and now i don’t even listen to anything he claims.

  154. Troy Says:

    I don’t care much for Hale, but he does have interesting guests from time to time…For instance, Friday night he will have the brilliant Edwin Veiera Jr…I will not miss what this guy has to say….He is the one that needs to take some sort of a lawsuit to the SCOTUS>

  155. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    i won’t be listening to Ed much longer…… Steve pigeon is started to get pived at him…..and the consititutional guy…… they ran everyone else off……I listen to the guest not him……

  156. Troy Says:

    I like Leo Donofrio, but he is a complete hack compared to Edwin Veiera.

  157. rosettasister Says:

    As usual, Pat Dollard pulls no punches:

    “The Most Listened-To And Controversial Episode In Its History: On Last Night’s “The Jihadi Killer Hour” We Revealed The Shocking Contents Of The Package Michelle Obama Will Receive Tomorrow – Listen To Archived Copy Here”

    http://patdollard.com/2009/01/tonight-on-the-jihadi-killer-hour-larry-sinclair-will-reveal-the-shocking-contents-of-a-package-michelle-obama-will-recieve-tomorrow/

    Just go right here to listen

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/patdollard

    PDF of Larry’s Affadavit

    http://larrysinclair.org/download/affidavit.pdf

    ———————————

    People, I really do have mixed feelings about Larry’s story ever seeing the light of day. Making an enemy of Larry Sinclair, that was a huge mistake on Obama’s part.

    But you may be interested in reading the very first post I ever made here at RosettaSister.

    If Michelle Obama and her two children ever do have to deal with this in a very public forum, Obama will only have himself to blame.

    In my opinion, for Obama, it was all about winning, it was all about power.

    As usual, I don’t expect all the readers here to agree with me.

    https://rosettasister.wordpress.com/2008/07/18/barack-obama-is-the-same-as-bill-clinton-obama-is-willing-to-put-his-wife-and-his-children-through-the-same/

  158. Foxtrot Says:

    Well, well, isn’t this fascinating about Kenya?

    http://www.information.go.ke/home/index.php/News/Latest/-Anticipating-the-Freedom-of-Information-Act.html

  159. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    I don’t give a hoot about Michelle dealing with this publicly,…… The kids….. well they are at a age they can be sheilded from the worst of it….. Obama made his own bed, from bad decisions….. what will be…… will be

  160. Troy Says:

    Freedom of Information my a$$…What a disgusting joke!!!
    NO gov. will allow out any info that it doesn’t want out…pffffttt

  161. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Troy
    they do release documents,.. just by the time they get done with their black marker they are useless

  162. Troy Says:

    exactly…like I said…pffftttt

  163. Troy Says:

    Good video, BTW

  164. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Troy

    I thought so,.. the guy was smart…. and just telling it how it is…. in a way that is kind of paralleled our views……

  165. amy Says:

    Here is Chalice with update on Steve Pigeon. He is going to be on her show tonight on plainsradio.
    h t t p:// pub29.bravenet.com/forum/2442810129/show/961203

  166. sdee Says:

    I’m Cindy on Mo. She is as big a part of this as Bo. Had they thought of their kids, they’d never gone down these paths. This topic is what got me interested in Bo and Mo almost a year ago. A Spengler article: ‘ Obama’s Women Reveal his Secret’

    ”” “Cherchez la femme,” advised Alexander Dumas in: “When you want to uncover an unspecified secret, look for the woman.” In the case of Barack Obama, we have two: his late mother, the went-native anthropologist Ann Dunham, and his rancorous wife Michelle. Obama’s women reveal his secret: he hates America.””

    I’ve never quite figured Spengler out or how he had so much insight into Bo and Mo so early on – but I read him anyway even if it does make my head hurt 🙂

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JB26Aa01.html

  167. Foxtrot Says:

    What the frick? I didn’t know Lolo, his Indonesian stepfather was alive?!?!?
    _________________________________________
    Obama’s RI relatives attend inauguration
    Lilian Budianto , The Jakarta Post , Jakarta | Thu, 01/08/2009 10:36 AM | Headlines

    US president-elect Barack Obama’s Indonesian step-cousin is among a number of other Indonesians invited to witness Obama’s historical inauguration on Jan. 20 in Washington D.C.

    Yana Trisulo, a niece of Obama’s Indonesian step-father Lolo Soetoro, said her husband and one of her cousins would be family guests at the ceremony that will make Obama the first black US president. Yana’s mother was Lolo’s sister.

    “I was supposed to attend the inauguration together with my father (in-law, Lolo) but I don’t think we can make it now as he (my father) is not in a good health. And so I have asked my husband and another cousin to attend it,” Yana told The Jakarta Post via text message Wednesday.

  168. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Fox
    Lolo is supposed to be dead

  169. Foxtrot Says:

    Why isn’t someone on a plane to go interview this guy (Lolo)?

  170. Foxtrot Says:

    JAC- that is what I thought, but read the article. Am I missing something?

  171. hockeyfan530 Says:

    i thought Lolo was dead too! we need to find out….i’ll be lookin’

  172. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Fox

    first off neice of Lolo
    then it mentions father-in-law Lolo

    don’t they are same person..just common name

  173. sdee Says:

    from wikipedia:

    Lolo Soetoro also known as Lolo Soetoro Mangunharjo[1][2] or Mangundikardjo,[3] (new spelling: Lolo Sutoro) (pronounced /ˈlɒlɒ suːˈtɒrɒː/) (born c. 1935 in Bandung[4], died 1987 in Jakarta) was the stepfather of Barack Obama, the President-elect of the United States of America. He was a native of Indonesia.[5]

  174. Tenacity Says:

    Cindy,
    I read most of the PUMA post last night. I will revisit it now that I am more alert.

    Thanks Troy, I’ll check mail.

  175. Troy Says:

    Would you like to see just how pissed off people are really getting?

  176. Foxtrot Says:

    What are the odds that her Uncle and her father-in-law being named Lolo? I know it is a fairly common name, but really!

  177. Foxtrot Says:

    Here is a tip for searches. If you don’t want google to interfere, I have been entering http://www.ask.com in the search engine. When that comes up, then I enter what I am looking for in the ask.com box. I found 10 times as much information come up that way, then through google. Surprise!

  178. hockeyfan530 Says:

    yeah, i think lolo may be a common name. dag nerb it!

  179. Foxtrot Says:

    There is so much out there in the Kenyan and Indonesian news! You just have to get away from Google to find it!

  180. Foxtrot Says:

    Here is what we need to find . . . can someone see if they can locate the requirements to attend a State Indonesian School. That is what they called it in several articles I read. The State Schools are the Public Schools. Little Barry Soetoro attended a State School for two years and a Private School over there for two years. I want to see it in writing.

  181. Foxtrot Says:

    Be back in a few!

  182. hockeyfan530 Says:

    my fiancee, who was and is a barry supporter doubted all of the indonesian info i gave her. She works with an indonesian fella. So she asked if 1) they allowed dual citizenship (answer NO) and 2) do you have to be a citizen of Indonesia to attend public school (answer YES)

  183. Foxtrot Says:

    Really Hockey? Could that Indonesian fella give us a link to find that info in writing? That would be awesome!

  184. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    you know life sucks!

  185. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    just got off the phone to hubby,….. he never told me me the fuel oil for the furnace was almost out at the shop…… well it went dry sometime over night and now he is working in the shop and it is only 13 degrees in there…. he just went back today because he has been real sick…

  186. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    sorry this isn’t the place for personal stuff……. just had to vent for a minute

  187. Fernley Girl Says:

    Please spread, and act on, the following information:

    http://refresheverything.com

    Pepsi has put up a site where you can send a video message to O.
    I think sticking to the dual citizenship issue is best, but feel free to vent!!
    Pepsi needs to be overwhelmed with anti-Obama videos.

  188. hockeyfan530 Says:

    have you seen the new pepsi symbols yet? It totally reminds me of Obama!

  189. hockeyfan530 Says:

    OK, i’m done drinking pepsi. Damn….I love pepsi Max

    I’ll ask my fiancee for his email address.

  190. hockeyfan530 Says:

    fox,
    I’m working on the email. Hope she doesn’t ask me too many questions LOL

  191. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Hockey

    I used to drink diet pepsi all the time until they changed their logo.. to make it like Bo’s ….. I have been drinking diet coke for the last two weeks

  192. hockeyfan530 Says:

    busted! She just asked if this was an obama conspiracy theory! I said ME!? Honey…I’m insulted….why I never!

    i’ll see if she coughs up the email address…I really doubt she will now LOL

  193. igaveup Says:

    didn’t give up on your enterprising folks, i gave up on “rinos”, msm, most libs, the three letter news site (api), ….

    barry is going to be installed, the Constitution be damned.

    i forgot my new name, so i had to sign in under the old one. the old one was when api was in it’s heyday and i was sick of sammy’s scammy.

    i was banned from the site over there for just saying shame on them for what they were doing.

  194. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    lol Hockey,….
    you got to be sneeky
    women know their men

    plus we’re smarter 😀

  195. sdee Says:

    that Pepsi sight is really lame – the gullible pepsi generation – guess it does not surprise me though. One thing is easy now tho – no more business with them.

    If anyone gets a video up I’d love to know about it.

  196. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    igaveup

    hey, you can think of it this way…. even if Korir had popped up with a tape……it wouldn’t of done any good… msm is too bam bam blind to follow a anti-Messiah story

  197. hockeyfan530 Says:

    Ok, she did give me his email address. What exactly do you want me to ask him?

  198. Troy Says:

    sdee Says:

    January 15, 2009 at 9:12 pm
    that Pepsi sight is really lame – the gullible pepsi generation – guess it does not surprise me though. One thing is easy now tho – no more business with them.

    If anyone gets a video up I’d love to know about it
    ********************************************
    Dang!!!!….I was drinking Pepsi when I read this…I poured it down the sink and made myself barf up what I had already drank…Grrrrrrrrrr

  199. hockeyfan530 Says:

    jac,
    I got it…just used my charm, made her laugh and viola….easy as pie

  200. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    I seen a local news spot where they talked about the new symbol on pepsi…. how it was made to look like Bo’s………
    sorry guys,..should of said something….

  201. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Hockey

    damn

    you know our weak spot,….. TLC and sweet talk 🙂

  202. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    can anyone post at obamacrimes?
    I have never been able to register

  203. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Bam bam……….gag

    Using Lincoln’s Bible, taking a train to DC on the same route that Lincoln did, making his hair gray to appear “Presidential”, having his official portrait done before the inauguration, etc. I’ve never seen such egotistical self-promotion by someone before they spent one day in office.

  204. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    well when that attention whore is faced with a real decision…..one he can’t vote “present” on….. I hope he is wearing depends

  205. Tenacity Says:

    Say Fox,
    Just wanted to make your day.
    http://www.americasright.com/2009/01/it-depends-on-what-your-definition-of.html

    Talk about the tip of the iceberg!

  206. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    hearing crickets

  207. rosettasister Says:

    From previous post:

    Lurker Says:
    January 15, 2009 at 9:21 pm

    Foxtrot Says:
    January 15, 2009 at 3:00 pm
    Well, this is interesting! Someone has Obama’s fake bc with the cert number on it! Remember, it was blacked out from the one Obama provided. Don’t know if it is legit, but it is worth viewing at link below.

    http://hubpages.com/hub/Barack-Obama–The-Birth-Certificate-Controversy

    ******************

    Hello Foxtrot,

    That’s the same birth certificate image that RP concluded to be a fraud. http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
    Scroll down about 2/3’s of the page to view this identical b/c image with RP’s analysis.

    Excerpt:
    These angles and perspective are the critical features of a document bent, turned and folded in different directions. So, when I discovered that the printed lines of text (and objects like the Seal and stamps) do not appear at all like they should, then something was deliberately done to either the document, to the photo of the document, or both, that speaks directly to the way the COLB document was artificially constructed.

    To put it bluntly, the Factcheck photos have been “Frankensteined,” just as the Factcheck scan image was cobbled together with the parts of different COLBs. The use of the term, “document” is simply for expediency sake, as no, single “real” document was used for these photos or for the scan image.

  208. Foxtrot Says:

    I will be back soon. Terrible about that jet crashing into the Hudson! It looks like all survived. Can’t believe it!

  209. Foxtrot Says:

    Rose, I know it is a fake. However, one time the fake has a cert number and the other time it does not. Also, you will notice that on one certificate there is a raised seal on front, and on the other there is not. It’s like they kept throwing certificates of live birth online to see which one “stuck”!

  210. hockeyfan530 Says:

    OK, sent off the email to my indonesian “connection” sent the wikipedia indonesian link so that he may find it easier. Asked him for an official page stating a student must be a citizen of indonesia to attend public/state school

    if you can read indonesia here’s the link

    id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Departemen_Pendidikan_Nasional_Republik_Indonesia

  211. Tenacity Says:

    Cindy,
    If you become the Night Moderator, can I clone you?

  212. hockeyfan530 Says:

    it’s hilarious if it weren’t so frustrating.

    Here’s my birth certificate right here…
    Um, that’s fake.
    Well, then try this one….
    Um, yeah, still fake.
    OK, how about this one? It has all of the things that were missing on the first 2….

  213. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Ten,

    lol….. don’t even try
    I bite

  214. Tenacity Says:

    I’m sorry,
    We haven’t had the wake yet. So who is organizing the final arrangements.

  215. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    what kind of ideas is Bob looking for Tenacity?

  216. rosettasister Says:

    Lurker Says:
    January 15, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    Thanks Rosettasister,

    I know; I just wanted to keep my post on topic.

    You have a great blog here.

    ——————–

    Thanks, Lurker!

    But we almost never stay on topic here.

    It drives some people mad!

    Rosetta

    BTW, I’ve copied your post to new thread.

  217. Foxtrot Says:

    Tenacity– hundreds of people were scammed by Madoff (Dems and Republicans). None of them knew what Madoff was up to. If you do a little more digging, you will see Madoff gave to Republicans, same amount, as well!

    As for the companies PAETEC Communications, Barr Laboratories, Merck & Company, of course they gave to Hillary!!! They are located in New York! When I ran campaigns, I didn’t know of a larger industry that did not give to their presiding Senator or Congressman. I would be willing to bet, as most do, that they also gave to Republicans. No smoking gun, Ten. Sorry! This is standard operating procedure–just like it is for the Republicans. And for the record, I honestly didn’t know of a politician who made a decision based on a donation only, especially one the size of $6900. That is something that conspiracy theorists all come up with. However, when it gets to multi millon dollar contracts like Halliburton, then you bet your sweet bippy “someone” is going to do something for them (and maybe even get something for themselves! wink, wink) Hehe! Such is the life of politics!

  218. Lurker Says:

    Foxtrot Says:
    January 15, 2009 at 9:30 pm
    Rose, I know it is a fake.

    ******************

    Hi Foxtrot,

    All of green copies of the b/c had the number blacked out. The newer fraud yellow copy always had the number.

  219. Foxtrot Says:

    Rose and Lurker–the fact we discuss a topic to its exhaustion and then move on to another one is WHY most people come here. We do our research and we do it well, then we might move along to another topic of interest to one of our ‘gang’. Otherwise, I think it would be boring!

  220. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    I think we have came to a time where it is not about tossing out but taking back…..

    I’m all for doing that in non violent ways…….. idea’s guys and gals?

    I know we need to get involved in the local level…. I think this spring many local govenments have elections….. we need to start from the ground up…… be a thorn in their side… honesty and true representation will be the only way we will allow you to be elected

  221. Foxtrot Says:

    Rose, I wonder why those chose to put out two different frauds? Seems so stupid! It’s like saying, “catch me in the act of forgery, please!”

  222. hockeyfan530 Says:

    why do people keep looking at obama as something new. Is he something new? sure so was Stalin, Hitler, Castro, Odinga. THat pepsi site really is disgusting. What’s weird is to us it’s SO obvious that barry is a liar. What lie does he have to be caught in to finally make people say…hey…that’s not right! I hope berg has the very lie in his case. A lie that noone can ignore.

  223. Foxtrot Says:

    Gotta go start dinner gang! I will touch base later. Carry on my good peeps!

  224. rosettasister Says:

    Foxtrot Says:
    January 15, 2009 at 9:46 pm

    You got me, Foxy!

    I swear, I don’t know what you guys are talkin’ about half the time!

  225. Foxtrot Says:

    Hockey, who is noone? hehe!

  226. Tenacity Says:

    I nominate Rosetta to write the eulogy. We should have a brief time for open comment, package the entire online service for posterity and ship a copy of it off to Norway.

  227. Foxtrot Says:

    Okay, I really do have to go and make dinner. I can’t stomach eating out again.

  228. Lurker Says:

    rosettasister Says:
    January 15, 2009 at 9:43 pm

    ******************

    Thanks Rosetta,

    I saw my post here. That was quick! lol

    I’ve seen folks yelled at on other blogs for posting comments off topic. I’m glad you don’t yell. lol

  229. rosettasister Says:

    Lurker Says:
    January 15, 2009 at 9:49 pm

    Thanks Rosetta,

    I saw my post here. That was quick! lol

    I’ve seen folks yelled at on other blogs for posting comments off topic. I’m glad you don’t yell. lol

    ——————————-

    I’m pretty tame!

  230. rosettasister Says:

    Tenacity Says:
    January 15, 2009 at 9:48 pm

    I nominate Rosetta to write the eulogy. We should have a brief time for open comment, package the entire online service for posterity and ship a copy of it off to Norway.

    ——————

    Say what?!

  231. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Lurker

    welcome…. 🙂
    join the crazy club…… but there ARE good people here… just bratty sometimes

  232. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    rose

    lol…… hope you didn’t mind our antics last night

  233. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Lurker

    most here call me JAC

  234. Foxtrot Says:

    Hey Ten! I had already started on my eulogy for API! Here it is!

    “We are gathered here today to give an appropriate send off to API news. Many an hour we spent chatting, hoping, wishing as a collective. Just when we thought our hopes had been dashed, API came along and gave us something new to hold onto. We held on to that “hope”, until that deadline passed, and we held on to the next “hope”. Then the next. Then the next. Then the next. Then the next. There were those who knew API best, and they were referred to the inner circle. We know you are hurting right now with that gargantuan hole of time in your days, but you will survive–we all will! So here’s to you API. Rosettasister blog hopes your death is quick and final. May you not REST, and certainly not have PEACE. Amen.”

  235. rosettasister Says:

    justanamericancindy4 Says:
    January 15, 2009 at 9:54 pm

    rose

    lol…… hope you didn’t mind our antics last night

    —————–

    I don’t even know what happened last night!

    Maybe it’s better that way!

  236. rosettasister Says:

    Okay, it’s too gorgeous here in the Valley of the Sun.

    Must go outside.

    You guys crack me up!

    See you later.

  237. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Rose

    only if you want to pee your pants from laughing…. the limericks were great 🙂

  238. Troy Says:

    Foxtrot Says:

    January 15, 2009 at 9:43 pm
    Tenacity– hundreds of people were scammed by Madoff (Dems and Republicans). None of them knew what Madoff was up to.
    **********************************************
    Oh my!!!…Please don’t tell me that you really believe that.

  239. Foxtrot Says:

    Look at the lists yourself Troy. He gave to Dems and REpubs. Hate to disappoint you! As for the way it is done for donations–IT IS! That is just fact. You can pull any Republican Senator or Congressman and see how many/much contribution was given to them by the industry leaders/businesses in their states. It is simply what is done. We all don’t have to like it, but it is a reality.

    Okay, now I really have to go. Shepard’s Pie here I come!

  240. Foxtrot Says:

    How’d you all like the eulogy? Bye-bye.

  241. Lurker Says:

    justanamericancindy4 Says:
    January 15, 2009 at 9:54 pm

    ************

    Hello JAC,

    Thanks for the welcome! I commented here once or twice last year. I like rosettasisters blog, but mostly just read. I’m a lurker, you know. lol

    Rosetta,

    I got the info for Larry’s interview with Pat Dollard from your blog yesterday. Thanks an million! I wouldn’t have known otherwise.

  242. Troy Says:

    I wasn’t talking about donations, Fox….I was talking about you saying that no one knew what he was up to….I guarantee you plenty of people knew exactly what he was doing and were also profitng off of it.

  243. Lurker Says:

    Rosettasister,

    Question? Whatever became of the alleged MO tape the African Press claimed to have? I stopped following after a login was required. Was it a hoax?

  244. Tenacity Says:

    Cindy,
    Specifically, Schulz recognizes that WTP must penetrate the blogosphere with sufficient education and invitation to participate. This is a vehicle that WTP has not taken advantage of and must to have the required impact for the Continental Congress. I am taking the initiative with Bob Schulz’s permission to assist WTPC (www.wethepeoplecongress.org) to establish communication and gain the exposure via the web to reach the many splintered groups and make them aware that they are welcome to channel their resources through the Continental Congress to accomplish the common goal of restoring and preserving our constitution. This is a revolution (albeit peaceful) that is mandated by the constitution itself…having its roots in the Magna Carta Libertatum. It is a lawful means to remedy the neglected petitions of redress that have been officially served on the members of the federal government. The time of petition is past and it is now time to act or our passivity shall result in the complete annihilation of our republic. We must reach out to all of those that desire to defend our constitution and involve them in this action. The internet is a key means of accomplishing that. We/I have been asked to formulate a plan of action to access the many factions and to direct them toward a centralized effort. If that is not clear, tell me and I will try to make it crystal clear. Time is short and WTP needs people and ideas to come to the surface now. How do we best unify the people with ears expeditiously?

  245. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Troy

    fact of life.. politics is corrupt … from top to bottom
    the decent ones at least try to find loop poles to justify what they do and govern in the Grey area…

    Bo is the smoke screen for a barrel of crooked politicians .. we just need to make sure when Bo finally does come down we gather the other scum with him

  246. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Lurker

    1000% hoax …. he wasted a lot of peoples time….

  247. sdee Says:

    It really is a bizarro circus in DC.

    Waxman: “Quick we need to hurry up and screw the American public with this cap-n-trade scheme before they figure out the globe is not really warming.”

    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D95NNE8O0&show_article=1

  248. Tenacity Says:

    Rose,
    Tenacity Says:
    January 15, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    I remember when Johnny Carson used to retire running jokes. Isn’t it time we retired API? We should have a wake and agree to never speak of it again. Who would like to make the final arrangements?

  249. Lurker Says:

    justanamericancindy4 Says:
    January 15, 2009 at 10:11 pm
    Lurker

    1000% hoax …. he wasted a lot of peoples time….

    ************

    Thanks JAC!

    I figured as much.

  250. Katie Says:

    Last night, Tenacity and I attended a meeting of the We The People Foundation and I can describe it in two words. LIFE CHANGING.

    I urge all of you to look at the schedule on this link. If you are anywhere within 200 miles of one of them, or know someone who is, YOU should go and listen and learn. Don’t question it…just find a way to get there.

    http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/UPDATE/misc2008/2009-Pre-CC-Schedule.htm

    I walked in last night not knowing anyone else or if I should be in this place. I walked out with a glimmer of light at the end of a very long tunnel that we have the ABILITY and the RIGHT and the birth of a PLAN of ACTION to take back our constitutional republic that has been violated so many times.

    I believe I learned more about history in those 3 hours than 4 years of high school. Folks…it’s 1774 all over again. The bad news is things are worse now than they were before the Revolutionary War. The good news is we don’t have to create a Constitution or Declaration of Independence. We already have the perfect documents and laws in place. They’re just not being followed.

    The beauty of last night was it wasn’t about political parties. It was about Americans who love their country, are fed up with well- documented corruption in government, and are forming the plan to defend the Constitution, and dare I say it…”get the Government back on the side of the People” (wow! where did we hear that?)

    I’m personally tired of sitting at my desk, complaining about things, living in fear or depression, and am grateful to Tenacity for helping me find an outlet for being proactive. You can, and should, too.

    My parents are elderly, but they were very active politically in the early 60’s. There are a lot of parallels with these times we’re in, but they agree, this is much, much more dire. I just spent two hours on the phone with them, and they heard a different daughter. They are encouraged now. It’s not too late, but there isn’t much time left, and if the Constitution continues to be violated in the direction we’re going, it won’t matter. Our lives as we know them are over.

    I see the internet as a huge tool to help us win this. The more we can focus our efforts in one place, with laser-like intensity, the sooner we can clean up this mess.

    This group is forming a Continental Congress – three citizen delegates from each state are being sought to go to Philadelphia in March for creating an action plan. (This is exactly what happened in 1774 – worked out pretty good, wouldn’t you say?) Bob Schulz spoke for almost 3 hours, giving a background, history and quotes from our Founding Fathers. YOU COULD HAVE HEARD A PIN DROP. To say we’re in similar circumstances is an understatement.

    Lots of people are sacrificing all they can for this organizations’ efforts. They’re not about profiting from this disaster. They’re about fixing it. You can get educated by going to their website at WeThePeopleCongress.org Click on the article posted on 12/20 “Summit Call” and work your way to more recent postings. Mr. Schulz explained that this would be the most logical way to understand what they’re doing.

    Yes, they need money. But they also need our time. And effort. Whatever special gifts, talents, or skills we can bring will be needed. Our government officials have become power hungry and it needs to end.

    “CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW RESPECTING THE ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION, OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF; OR ABRIDGING THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH, OR OF THE PRESS; OR THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE PEACEABLY TO ASSEMBLE, AND TO PETITION THE GOVERNMENT FOR A REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES.”
    1791 – First Amendment

  251. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Well Ten

    as I said a functioning blog with a connected forum for pooling information..
    it can be a awful waste of time repeating the same things over and over.
    the random blogs like this one, need to be informed asap… high traffic blogs will lose many when the 20th comes and goes….. sad fact of life..
    they need hope and a reason to keep fighting…..

    youtube and telling what they hope to achive…..

  252. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    looked at the schedule…. nothing near me….. BUT I probably could arrange a large oom if they wanted to come here…… in Indiana

  253. Tenacity Says:

    Katie,
    I was wondering when all those notes you were taking would come flying on my computer screen. Thank you and I suspect there is more to come.

  254. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Remember Fox also lives in my town….. she has plenty of connections

  255. Troy Says:

    Ten,
    I sent you an important email just now.

  256. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    crickets again

  257. Katie Says:

    Tenacity – last night was the first night in weeks I slept without nightmares. I’m not naive enough to think this all goes away quickly or easily, but I feel better knowing about this quiet effort that is underway. My conversation with my parents was amazing.

    Now we need to find a way to direct attention on these efforts in a manner that We The People Foundation hasn’t been able to. I plan to send an email to my own contacts – as many as possible – asap. It starts with getting the word out.

    Again, I reiterate. It’s not about politics or political parties which makes it easier to have a conversation with anyone. All citizens are in danger of losing their rights, and it doesn’t have to be. And EVERY American citizen should be made aware, and given the choice if they want to be IN the parade, on the sidelines cheering the parade, or staying home and missing the parade.

  258. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Katie

    🙂 sounds like you found a little peace

  259. Katie Says:

    justanamericancindy4 Says:
    January 15, 2009 at 10:48 pm

    Katie

    🙂 sounds like you found a little peace

    **************
    Cindy – sure did! I wanted to say ‘hope’ or ‘change’ but well, you know…

  260. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    yeah I know,…

    most are focused on the BC issue… I pray we come across that…. but I don’t think we will after he is actually in office..so unless we can prove criminal activity I think we are stuck with him for 4 years..geeez that was hard to say……

    But I knew we had to do something to not let this get out of hand… I don’t want violence… as least this is something positive to put energy into……

  261. Katie Says:

    How Long Do We Have?

    About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:

    ‘A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government.’

    ‘A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is Always followed by a dictatorship.’

    ‘The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years’

    ‘During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:

    1. from bondage to spiritual faith;

    2. from spiritual faith to great courage;

    3. from courage to liberty;

    4. from liberty to abundance;

    5. from abundance to complacency;

    6. from complacency to apathy;

    7. from apathy to dependence;

    8. from dependence back into bondage’

    Professor Olson adds: ‘In aggregate, the map of the territory Republicans won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country. Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in Government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare…’ Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the ‘complacency and apathy’ phase of Professor Tyler’s definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation’s population already having reached the ‘governmental dependency’ phase.

    If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegal’s and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.

    If you are in favor of this, then by all means, delete/ignore this message. If you are not, then pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at stake, knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom.

    WE LIVE IN THE LAND OF THE FREE, ONLY BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE

    “Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.”

    “All that is needed for evil to succeed is that decent human beings do nothing.”

  262. jjones Says:

    Just wondering if anyone here has looked into americansolutions.com
    On the surface, it seems like an interesting approach.

  263. Foxtrot Says:

    I have to run and make the cornbread. However, I thought I would leave this link. How insulting for Sarah Palin!

    http://www.puma08.com/2009/01/15/sarah-palin-not-invited-to-obamas-dinner-in-honor-of-mccain/

  264. Foxtrot Says:

    JAC- I have loads of connections here!!!

  265. budgy Says:

    Stephen Pidgeon has an update…see it at Citizen Wells.

    citizenwells.wordpress.com/2009/01/15/stephen-pidgeon-update-january-15-2009-plains-radio-therightsideoflifecom-broe-v-reed-attorney-press-release-eligibility-issue-will-not-go-away-obama-not-qualified/

  266. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Fox

    what Ten and Katie are getting involved in on the surface looks like a good positive thing…. worth checking out

  267. Foxtrot Says:

    Make sure you vote in this AOL poll on repealing the two term limit for presidents:

    http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2009/01/14/three-terms-for-barack-obama

  268. rosettasister Says:

    Have a good night, good people!

    New Thread:

    https://rosettasister.wordpress.com/2009/01/15/a-new-world-record/

  269. budgy Says:

    Orly filed a new suit today. A commenter copied it to Citizen Wells blog. It’s on the same thread as the Pidgeon update.

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