Economy in Serious Downward Spiral? Barack Obama echoes Joseph E. Stiglitz

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stiglitz

Joseph E. Stiglitz, winner of the 2001 Nobel Prize in Economics, and author of The Three Trillion Dollar War: The True Cost of the Iraq Conflict

“If nothing is done, this recession could linger for years” Barack Obama

Not everyone shares this dour outlook.

http://moneynews.newsmax.com/streettalk/stiglitz_economy_decline/2009/01/07/168679.html

EXCERPTS

Nobel Prize winner and former White House economist Joseph E. Stiglitz said that “underlying forces” indicate that the U.S. economy will continue on a “downward trajectory” for 2009 and that grim trend will have grave consequences for the global economy.

The sinking fortunes of the bottom half of the population.

” … the financial crisis is only one of several crises facing the country: the underlying macroeconomic problem has been made worse by the sinking fortunes of the bottom half of the population,” Stiglitz wrote.

Those who would spend don’t have the money, and those with the money aren’t spending, he added.

“The point of reciting these challenges facing the world is to suggest that, even if Obama and other world leaders do everything right, the U.S. and the global economy are in for a difficult period. The question is not only how long the recession will last, but what the economy will look like when it emerges.”

Will it return to robust growth, or will we have a sclerotic recovery, as did Japan in the 1990s?

“Right now, I cast my vote for the latter, especially since the huge debt legacy is likely to dampen enthusiasm for the big stimulus that is required,” Stiglitz warned.

Not everyone shares this dour outlook, however. Senate Republicans have been pushing for a massive tax cut, in addition to the stimulus, and Obama has embraced the idea of a $300 billion tax cut.

“Our energized economy cannot occur without lower marginal tax rates,” notes Larry Kudlow, a conservative economist and CNBC talk show host, in his weekly column.

See also:

http://www.reuters.com/article/reutersINCOnlineReport/idUSTRE50701M20090108

EXCERPT

Some Republicans and conservative Democrats have expressed concern that the stimulus package could bust the federal budget with new programs that will require funding for years to come.

In the speech excerpts, Obama said the cost of the package of tax cuts and spending measures he is proposing would be “considerable” but that it was needed to keep the economy from sinking into a vicious cycle of weak consumer spending, job losses and a further tightening of credit markets.

In addition to the fiscal package, Obama urged further measures to shore up confidence in the financial system and restore smooth functioning of the frozen credit markets.

He vowed to move quickly to overhaul the Wall Street regulatory system and to crack down on “wrongdoers” who slip through regulatory cracks, in an apparent reference to the alleged $50 billion fraud scandal involving financier Bernard Madoff.

Obama said his administration would use the “full arsenal of tools to get credit flowing again.”

He also called for a stepped-up effort to prevent home foreclosures.

Text of Obama Speech on the Economy

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/text-obama-speech-economy/story.aspx?guid={4C5C66C9-2BD5-4870-8FE2-02BC6B75F3E7}&dist=msr_1

From AssociatedPress

AP Broadcast Business Editor Mark Hamrick reports on the outlook for the Labor Department’s December jobs report, due Friday. (Jan. 8)

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96 Responses to “Economy in Serious Downward Spiral? Barack Obama echoes Joseph E. Stiglitz”

  1. budgy Says:

    Thanks for the new thread Rose..and good morning. Have you looked at TD’s blog today. Very interesting post re George Washington’s vision for the future. Also there is a comment re the #’s and what they mean from BO’s COLB.

  2. rosettasister Says:

    budgy Says:
    January 8, 2009 at 4:51 pm

    Thanks, budgy!

    Yes, I’ll check that out.

    I get a lot of good ideas from TexasDarlin and her “gang.”

    I noticed drkate, I think I have her name right, was in the chat room at MommaE BTR show yesterday.

    I was lurking there for a little while.

    http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2009/01/07/the-people-of-america-and-the-us-congress-preparation-for-the-worst/

  3. rosettasister Says:

    Found at TexasDarlin:

    • on January 7, 2009 at 9:19 pm drkate

    Thank you all for the support and for reading and seeing this post. The petition for redress should be filed, I am thinking of just faxing it to the Senate and house with my name on in on Friday….if anyone is interested we should talk about how to do this. The We the People Foundation is quite experienced with this, but at least it is an avenue that normal people have to express their displeasure now, and later at the ballot box.

    ————————

    “The petition for redress”

    Anyone been following this?

    Does drkate want all of us to “file” this?

    “I am thinking of just faxing it to the Senate and house with my name on it”

    It would be easy enough to create a link to a Word file, I guess.

    And we’d need fax numbers and/or addresses.

    Anyone on top of this?

  4. Tenacity Says:

    I got this from my brother. I have been very suspicious of snopes for the last year. This confirms my suspicions.

    For the past few years ww w. snopes.com has positioned itself, or others have labeled it, as the ‘tell all final word’ on any comment, claim and email.

    But for several years people tried to find out who exactly was behind snopes.com. Only recently did Wikipedia get to the bottom of it – kinda makes you wonder what they were hiding. Well, finally we know. It is run by a husband and wife team – that’s right, no big office of investigators and researchers, no team of lawyers. It’s just a mom-and-pop operation that began as a hobby.

    David and Barbara Mikkelson in the San Fernando Valley of California started the website about 13 years ago – and they have no formal background or experience in investigative research. After a few years it gained popularity believing it to be unbiased and neutral, but over the past couple of years people started asking questions who was behind it and did they have a selfish motivation? The reason for the questions – or skepticism – is a result of snopes.com claiming to have the bottom line facts to certain questions or issue when in fact they have been proven wrong. Also, there were criticisms the Mikkelsons were not really investigating and getting to the ‘true’ bottom of various issues. I can personally vouch for that complaint.

    A few months ago, when my State Farm agent Bud Gregg in Mandeville hoisted a political sign referencing Barack Obama and made a big splash across the internet, ’supposedly’ the Mikkelson’s claim to have researched this issue before posting their findings on snopes.com. In their statement they claimed the corporate office of State Farm pressured Gregg into taking down the sign, when in fact nothing of the sort ever took place.

    I personally contacted David Mikkelson (and he replied back to me) thinking he would want to get to the bottom of this and I gave him Bud Gregg’s contact phone numbers – and Bud was going to give him phone numbers to the big exec ’s at State Farm in Illinois who would have been willing to speak with him about it. He never called Bud. In fact, I learned from Bud Gregg no one from snopes.com ever contacted anyone with State Farm. Yet, snopes.com issued a statement as the ‘final factual word’ on the issue as if they did all their homework and got to the bottom of things – not!

    Then it has been learned the Mikkelson’s are very Democratic (party) and extremely liberal. As we all now know from this presidential election, liberals have a purpose agenda to discredit anything that appears to be conservative. There has been much criticism lately over the internet with people pointing out the Mikkelson’s liberalism revealing itself in their website findings. Gee, what a shock?

    So , I say this now to everyone who goes to ww w. snopes.com to get what they think to be the bottom line facts…’proceed with caution.’ Take what it says at face value and nothing more. Use it only to lead you to their references where you can link to and read the sources for yourself. Plus, you can always google a subject and do the research yourself. It now seems apparent that’s all the Mikkelson’s do. After all, I can personally vouch from my own experience for their not fully looking into things.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snopes.com

    I would check this out through snopes, but don’t believe that would do much good 😉

  5. cheyenne Says:

    Hi Rose: I’m not a blogger, but read all the blog’s every night. Just seen on C-Span 2 where the Electoral Vote’s will be on at 1:pm.

    Don’t know what the time might be In other place’s, but I’m In TN.

    Have a nice day all.

  6. Katie Says:

    Let’s see. Can’t trust FactCheck. Can’t trust Wikipedia. Can’t trust Snopes. Can’t trust NBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, FOX, etc. Can’t trust NY Times, LA Times, Chicago Tribune. All that’s left is what my gut and instincts are telling me. Anybody got a small tropical island they want to sell?

  7. budgy Says:

    Tenacity…thanks for posting the snopes info. How did they manage to get away with this for so long? Didn’t anyone question them before this?

    Fox News just said that Cheney will be announcing that BO will be the next president according to the vote totals. Approx. 20 min. from now.

  8. Katie Says:

    Rose – Michelle Malkin has a great link about the Depression and how FDR’s policies added to it. Ties right in with your story.

    http://michellemalkin.com/2009/01/08/flashback-ucla-study-on-fdrs-growth-stifling-policies/

  9. rosettasister Says:

    PeppermintPatty777 Says:
    January 8, 2009 at 5:47 pm

    Hi Everyone! Anyone seen Al lately?

    SCOTUS realizes that with so many cases before them they will have to give this the due course it demands. It is not as though one lone horse has ridden into town demanding to be watered. The whole herd has ridden in and you can’t get through town because all of the pooh pooh piles–this demands honest attention from SCOTUS. Just my h.o.p.

  10. rosettasister Says:

    PeppermintPatty777 Says:
    January 8, 2009 at 5:52 pm

    I dont’ think that anything of note is going to transpire when the electoral votes are presented. I think eveyrone is frozen by the perceived economy woe’s… I’m going to trust that the conservatives on the hill are going to do their best to keep judicious watch over BO– even if we fail to protect the Constitution whole. I don’t see anyone standing up except the few, the brave… I’m sorry–don’t mean to be a party pooper…must be the pain meds..

  11. rosettasister Says:

    Hugh Hewitt interviews Christopher Hitchens, again.

    I do believe Hitchens has been on the right side of history as regards Iraq. And I know that can’t have been easy for him and I am grateful.

    But geez louise! Does Hitchens agree with anyone on anything anymore?!

    And I don’t take kindly to his, I think, unfounded criticism of Condoleezza Rice, either!

    Might be worth a listen or you may want to just skip Hitchens and proceed to the “Smart Guys” and Carolyn Glick.

    01070903 Hewitt: Hour 3 – After a replay of the Christopher Hitchens interview, Hugh discusses detainees rights cases and supreme court speculation with the Smart Guys, and then covers the Israel-Hamas war with Carolyn Glick of the Jerusalem Post.

    Listen here:

    [audio src="http://ht.salemweb.net/townhall/audio/mp3/c3ec56c4-4fef-4eb6-a2d3-6dd9bf886cc2.mp3" /]

    Transcript:

    “Christopher Hitchens’ assessment of Israel v. Hamas and Obama’s mounting Clinton appointments.”

    http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/talkradio/transcripts/Transcript.aspx?ContentGuid=d723e5e3-1dd1-4f58-b9a1-11aa23929b0c

  12. budgy Says:

    FoxNews.com has a link at the top their page so you can watch the vote count and announcement. It’s still not on so I hope they’ve run into a bit of opposition. I know, wishful thinking.

  13. Troy Says:

    The assholes in Washington just certified Oblowhole as Pres.

  14. Tenacity Says:

    Just for the record, I will be out until late this evening. Gotta make some dough. Have fun.

  15. Troy Says:

    It’s DONE!!!!

  16. rosettasister Says:

    Terry Says:
    January 8, 2009 at 6:29 pm

    ….and I think to myself….what a wonderful world!….Oh yeah……

    ———————–

    Welcome, Terry!

    We’re at the link just above your comment.

    Rosetta

  17. budgy Says:

    Well gee, the link for the live feed to the senate never did work. Guess there wasn’t any dissent anyhow.

  18. Troy Says:

    budgy Says:

    January 8, 2009 at 6:36 pm
    Well gee, the link for the live feed to the senate never did work. Guess there wasn’t any dissent anyhow.
    ***************************************
    Of course there wasn’t

  19. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Ewwwwwww guess we actually have to call him Pres Elect now

  20. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Ok, so do we wait for the courts to decide on Burgs case or so we start coming up with ideas of what we can do ourselves?

  21. Troy Says:

    I turned on C-Span just in time to watch “Shoot ’em in the face” Cheney read the declaration and then I puked and changed the channel.

  22. Troy Says:

    Ewwwwwww guess we actually have to call him Pres Elect now
    *******************************************
    Nope!!!…..Ya can’t make me, in fact I never call the piece of donkey dung the Pres either….He will be known to me as “Usurper” Obamaggot.

  23. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    I know the constitution gave us the right to protest by not paying taxes….. but that seems to be moot with todays taxation laws….

  24. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    he’s not my President either,…. never will be unless he is found to be a proven NBC….. Even when I will never support a Hitler wanta-be in office

  25. rosettasister Says:

    “Obama: Deceiver, Cheat, Swindler, Liar, Fraudster, Con Artist”

    By Mark S. McGrew

    http://newsfromrussia.com/world/americas/08-01-2009/106908-obama-0

    Freeper Thread:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2161018/posts

    I believe Mr. McGrew is scheduled to host MommaE’s show this evening.

    Momma E and the Radio Rebels – Hosted By Mark McGrew

    Date / Time: 1/8/2009 6:00 PM (Mountain Time?)

    Call-in Number: (347) 237-4870

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/mommaeradiorebels

  26. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    I will watch the SCOTUS tomorrow….. If they agree to a hearing they usually announce it the same day…… denial,……. they wait until Monday That has been their pattern.

  27. Troy Says:

    The Illuminati grand NWO plan is almost complete….Obama is just a pawn…..They are not finished with the collapse of the economy….The final phase is just around the corner though.
    Keep your eyes open and stay alert….The next “false flag” home crisis will be implemented by July 2009 and probably sooner…..Stay alert!!!!!

  28. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Seems like congress had a little private session time before the count….

    I knew it would go nowhere but I thought ONE would have the dangles to speak up

  29. Troy Says:

    Seems like congress had a little private session time before the count….
    *******************************************
    That was probably just a short break so that they could all put on their knee pads.

  30. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    But they are at ground zero,… and might have info that we might not have…. maybe they know the court needed this benchmark to do their job………. Or I am just giving bad polititions a excuse for not doing their job..

    I know I have a long term memory…. I will not vote for anyone that is currently in office……They didn’t represent me they protected their job and pocket……

  31. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    I know I’m bad about only voting suring primaries and Presidentual elections……. but that is going to change…… I might even start going to the rallys just to ask them… point blank if they are going to represent me or the good old boys club….

  32. hockeyfan530 Says:

    If I said it once i said it a million times. I will never vote again. Done. Finished. This is digusting. We still have SCOTUS so maybe it’s not too late…but i’m not holding out much hope

  33. patriotamy Says:

    I agree JAC, I too am going to start asking the ‘hard’ questions of all officials that we are ‘electing to protect our interests’.

  34. Troy Says:

    I saw the most peculiar thing yesterday….I turned on Fox News Network yesterday briefly to see what was going on in Israel….They went to commercial break and there it was….It was a TV ad for CIA recruitment…I’m not kidding….Be all you can be in the CIA!!!!….The CIA has always “cherry picked” their new recruits from places like college campasses, Anapolis, West Point, ex military, etc…..WTF are they doing advertising on television?….Any dumbass could and will respond to the TV ad….It means that they are needing a BULK of new low level (expendable) people for an upcoming operation….There is no other logical explanation….Here is the ad that I saw.

  35. patriotamy Says:

    Jeez, I am so disgusted with our Senators and Representatives. “Uphold the Constitution”.. Do they even know what it says????

  36. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    hockeyfan

    That crossed my mind…….. not voting again,……. but then I thought that just gives them full power to control my life and livelyhood…
    And what is corrupt will stay corrupt…

  37. Troy Says:

    I hope that everyone here is paying very close attention to ALL that is going on around us….The blinders must be removed and eyes kept wide open!!!….Start questioning everything and do some research!!!

  38. rosettasister Says:

    Ron Polarik at the Free Republic – Ever the Optimist

    To: Chief Engineer; Polarik
    Is Phil Berg’s copy of the Maya Soetoro Ng Hawaiian COLB available on-line?

    150 posted on Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:06:34 PM by MHGinTN

    To: MHGinTN
    There is no Maya COLB that I know of. That was a rumor that resulte from Techdude’s bogus research claims.

    306 posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:05:30 PM by Polarik

    To: papagall
    Do you, Polarik, or Lucy T, have access to that imagery from past threads or that long thread on which Polairk posted his final report on the forged COLB?
    It’s all on my blog: polarik.blogtownhall.com

    58 posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:22:28 PM by Polarik

    To: Polarik
    Berg mentioned Maya having a Hawaiian BC indicating an Indonesian birth in his lawsuit.

    312 posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:50:53 PM by TruthWillWin

    To: TruthWillWin
    I’ll ask him about it.

    338 posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2009 10:34:36 PM by Polarik

    To: Eva
    Obama thinks that the conflict will be essentially over by the time of the inauguration, then whatever the result, he will blame it on Bush and tell everyone that he’s bringing CHANGE.
    He’s going to het a new change of clothes real soon, Somethingh in a solid orange jumper

    226 posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2009 10:38:57 PM by Polarik

    To: Polarik
    Just heard Orly Taitz cite the document and section in which Obama’s application for foreign student aid in California is listed in Calif. government document. If anyone is interested, I have copied a pathway to the pdf.

    308 posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:35:38 PM by MHGinTN

    To: MHGinTN
    Pls PM it to me. Thx

    339 posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2009 10:56:24 PM by Polarik

    To: Polarik
    I haven’t found the actual document yet. Still churning …

    345 posted on 01/07/2009 10:29:13 PM PST by MHGinTN

    To: bronxboy
    Show me a ‘truth’, and I will be very interested. I just don’t see any ‘truth’ or convincing facts.
    Here’s a truth. Obama’s COLB should have a 2007 style Seal impressed into it, but the Seal on Obama’s COLB looks nothing like the real Seal for 2007. What it does resemble are the Seals used on 2006 and 2008 COLBs. meaning that Obama’s COLB should not have the wrong Seal on it.

    341 posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2009 11:06:33 PM by Polarik

  39. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    notice on CNN Chenney never even asked for objections….which is protocol……. didn’t they just nullify the acceptance of the vote?

  40. j.b. Says:

    In Hawaii, you can read here: United States Marines and Navy servicemen have no respect for Obama. In an ABC News story, Sunlen Miller says, “ The diners were polite, staying seated at their respective tables and waited for the president-elect to come to them to stand up”.

    The photo in the article shows that there is nobody standing up to shake hands with him and some have their backs turned to Obama. If those people, trying to enjoy their meal in peace, had thrown their food in that stinking bum’s face with disgust, ABC News could have reported it as, “The soldiers were so overjoyed to catch a glimpse of their Commander In Chief Elect, that like true Marines, they all chipped in to share their Holiday meal with him.”

    Speak your mind on Pravda.ru forum

    LMAO! (even though it’s not really funny)

  41. j.b. Says:

    The photo in the article shows that there is nobody standing up to shake hands with him and some have their backs turned to Obama. If those people, trying to enjoy their meal in peace, had thrown their food in that stinking bum’s face with disgust, ABC News could have reported it as, “The soldiers were so overjoyed to catch a glimpse of their Commander In Chief Elect, that like true Marines, they all chipped in to share their Holiday meal with him.”
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    OOPS! This is the funniest part-I meant to add that I got this from the article Rose posted above. At least the Russian reporters have free speech rights………AND get their anti’ Barry stories printed! That is so nice………../sarc

  42. rosettasister Says:

    Might be interesting to look at comments on this thread:

    Congress Certifies Barack Hussein Obama as America’s 44th President-Elect

    http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=2633

  43. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    For those who are interested in the chatter of the worst case senario.

    check out Dr. Edwin Vieira — they are planning some things…some can be found on YouTube videos.

    haven’t watched them myself,….. but did see postings about Vieira on different blogs….

  44. Troy Says:

    At least the Russian reporters have free speech rights.
    ****************************************
    The reporter is Mark McGrew and he lives in El Paso, Texas I think….He freelances articles for Pravada.

  45. Troy Says:

    check out Dr. Edwin Vieira
    ********************
    he has a web site…google will get you there

  46. rosettasister Says:

    by NobleThoughts on Thu Jan 08, 2009 10:11 am

    I was able to deliver this letter to both Senator Tom Coburn and Sentator James Inhofe today before their 1 O’clock meeting to count the votes of the electors.

    http://countryfirst.bravehost.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1831

  47. Troy Says:

    Obama was selected as part of an operational plan…It’s time to wake up and see beyond the trees to the forest…All the info is online…Do some research….People need to start opening their eyes and unite before it is too late….We are on the brink of the point of no return.

  48. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    I will be opening a private chat in my blog this week-end….
    I will post a password then email everyone with a new password…

  49. Troy Says:

    I will be opening a private chat in my blog this week-end….
    I will post a password then email everyone with a new password…
    **********************************************
    Private would be a good idea at this point.

  50. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    well this goes with my earlier post….. about Chaney not asking for objections…….
    _____________________
    And also, even if the SCOTUS rule negative on the Standing issue, didn’t V.P. Cheney just give Attorney’s a possible future reason to file in addition to their Objections?

    The way I see it, is really no different than an arresting officer “forgetting” (intentionally in this case) to read the memorandum acts to a criminal. The doors are then opened further for Attorneys, rather than being completely shut.

    V.P. Cheney might have left the door open a little bit, for a reason. “Opps” I forgot

  51. Troy Says:

    Miranda rights?

  52. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Troy

    sorry should of read the excerpt for typos’s before I posted it

  53. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    I know Objections have to be in writing……. but everything I understand the asking of objection also has to be verbalized….

  54. budgy Says:

    Rose..thanks for the link at 7:25..The Right Side of Life. I scrolled down and took at look at the Newsworthies. Very interesting. I missed the story about BO backing off from another one of his picks. lol I can’t keep up with him changing his mind.

    .therightsideoflife.com/?p=2589

  55. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Right now I need to go for awhile…… have company coming over this evening and have alot to do…. I will be here later tonight……
    I will try to get the private blog up and running if I can….. it doesn’t have to be fancy….just private
    one of the reasons I went to a Swedish based blog to create an account

  56. j.b. Says:

    http://drorly.blogspot.com/2009/01/14171-readers-visited-our-blog-today.html

    If any of you still have questions about the Orly case etc, this latest article is a great place to get the answers. Very straightforward. Check it out! Plain english helps, too.

    Cindy-how’s your man doing?

  57. j.b. Says:

    That’s a good point about the objection pause not being offered. Although i don’t agree that Cheney did it on purpose-it certainly seems to have put a wedge in the door at least.

    Man this sucks.

  58. j.b. Says:

    The private blog will be a good place (for those who care to)to share e-mails.

  59. Troy Says:

    Watch these three videos in order and then comment


    Through TV, radio, video games, etc….Americans have been dumbed down and reduced to souless zombies.


    Both of them lived and are doing just fine….What has happened to us?


    It wasn’t an angel…It was three spirit light beings / angels.
    There is still hope….We must unite….It’s not too late.

  60. j.b. Says:

    This guy has the right idea…………………………………………………………………..
    snipped from Malkins blog.

    And another head-banging Mitch McConnell moment
    By Michelle Malkin •

    January 8, 2009 12:30 PM Oh, no. Not again. I need to wear a safety helmet to cover the Republican incompetents trying to muster up a response to the Obama Generational Theft Act of 2009.

    Mitch McConnell, if you are not going to be able to stop this disaster, please just shut up. Reader Mitch F. e-mails that McConnell’s just given us another head-banging moment (the first one from this week is here):

    Mitch McConnell was just on Fox already indicating that all but 2 states are going to get bailed out by the feds. But don’t worry, the money will be spent “judiciously” according to McConnell, as it has with the other stimulus plans the feds have implemented so far. He actually said that.

    This crap has gone so far now that it really doesn’t matter anymore. I’m going to take care of my family, business, friends, and community as best I can from now on and I really don’t even care about anything these politicians say anymore. They’re now completely irrelevant from my point of view.

    You know what would almost overnight put this country back on the right track? If even a small but healthy percentage of small business owners such as myself banded together and told the local, state, and federal governments that we are no longer going to play tax collector for them, pay their fees, permits, etc., we could bring them to their knees and force “real” change in this society. It might get to that sooner than later here in California anyway. There’s already talk around business organizations and associations to send IOU’s to Sacramento since they seem to think those are ok. I’m seriously considering paying my employees directly and refusing to collect payroll taxes to see what happens. Who knows, maybe I’ll end up in the news and it will start some momentum. They can’t put us all in the pokey, especially since those are also broke and have no room left!!!

  61. j.b. Says:

    Hey! Feel free to eavesdrop as I sit here and talk to myself! 🙂

  62. j.b. Says:

    The people at Orly’s site are busy busy bees! Check out what she just posted!
    http://drorly.blogspot.com/

    We need to start a betting pool on just WTF it will finally be that takes this man down!
    There seems to be no end to his scumbaggery!

  63. ladyliberty Says:

    Ummmmmmmmmmmm…..anyone know what the Amereo is? Check this out

  64. ladyliberty Says:

    Or the North American Union?

  65. Troy Says:

    ladyliberty Says:

    January 8, 2009 at 8:29 pm
    Ummmmmmmmmmmm…..anyone know what the Amereo is? Check this out

    ladyliberty Says:

    January 8, 2009 at 8:29 pm
    Or the North American Union?


    *********************************************
    Like I have saying all throughout this blog today, WAKE UP!!!!

  66. ladyliberty Says:

    This is all starting to freak me out……..I think i am spending too much time online……..I think after the results tomorrow (which I don’t expect to be in our favor) I will need to take a break. WTF!!!!!

  67. Troy Says:

    I’ve been saying all day today, WAKE UP and look around!!!

    The info is out there, just do the research!!!

    We are on the brink!!!

  68. ladyliberty Says:

    Holy Cow! ……. on Orly’s site ….. it looks like BO has property in all 58 states

  69. ladyliberty Says:

    I’m awake Troy, but what do I do but FREAK OUT!!!!!

  70. j.b. Says:

    OMG! LL! This is exactly what that Lindsay guy was saying in the video that Tenacity posted a while ago!

    Ahhhhhhhh, running through my house screaming , pulling out my hair and not knowing what else to do!

    Seriously, this is all too much………………..

  71. Troy Says:

    ladyliberty Says:

    January 8, 2009 at 8:40 pm
    I’m awake Troy, but what do I do but FREAK OUT!!!!!
    *******************************************
    There are movements being organized….Do the research

  72. j.b. Says:

    Troy, I am awake! What would YOU like me to do?
    What are YOU going to do?

  73. Troy Says:

    We have to organize and resist….If we fail they have nice little FEMA camps waiting for us.

  74. Troy Says:

    It goes much deeper than just those two videos you just saw.

    Keep researching!!!

  75. j.b. Says:

    Glenn Beck told US to buy gold a year ago……….I wonder, does he know about this?

  76. ladyliberty Says:

    JAC – when are you setting up that private blog?

  77. j.b. Says:

    IS THIS WHAT JOE BIDEN WAS TALKING ABOUT, “Mark my words……………..” ?

  78. ladyliberty Says:

    Has anyone ever tried to go to a website using google and got a message that said “Warning-visiting this website may harm your computer”? Now I am paranoid.

  79. ladyliberty Says:

    Tenacity – Remember that We the People thing you asked about yesterday? There may be more of a surprise to it than I thought.

  80. j.b. Says:

    Yes, I have. I use live search-it gives a green arrow for all safe sites. It’s part of Norton, though.

    Great my roof just started leaking………

  81. j.b. Says:

    Tenacity left for gig…….What’s up?

  82. ladyliberty Says:

    Seems it is related to the issue I posted about.

  83. ladyliberty Says:

    This was through Google – then I saw a malware warning.

  84. j.b. Says:

    Someone’s going to have to call Barry and get the password, I guess. TROY!

  85. j.b. Says:

    I have to go clean……..something about white noise (vacuuming)that relieves stress for me. *sigh*

  86. Cyndi Says:

    Hello Everyone
    I have been coming here everyday reading your posts just haven’t been corresponding with anyone. I kinda suffered a nervous breakdown over all of this. I know it’s crazy but my body was just giving out from the mental stress.
    Anyway’s I am feeling better but still not myself. I wanted to ask if any of you had seen the meaning of the gold on the flag? Here is a site to check out:

    apfn.org/apfn/flag.htm

    It is stating basically from what I understand that we are under martial law. Then you can see on Rose’s last thread a picture of O sitting by the flag with the gold on it.

    Also if ya ever get a chance you might check out the forum at
    godlikeproductions.com/forum1/01/08/09/pg1

    I know that it is a conspiracy website but they have alot of interesting information over there some true some BS. Anyway take care everyone, hope to be back again sometime.

  87. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Ok my blog…… it is pitiful but it is there

    The private room is under Time…. the password is ……… wtf
    Use a real email in your posts I can see them….. then I will email everyone a new password and a new post to talk in….. wish I had an hour or I would do it now….. grrrrrr

    Remember the room will not be private as I had to post the link and pw here…. it is just the first step…..

    http://justwhispers.blogsome.com/

  88. Troy Says:

    j.b. Says:

    January 8, 2009 at 8:51 pm
    Glenn Beck told US to buy gold a year ago……….I wonder, does he know about this?
    ***************************************88
    He’s no dummy

  89. Troy Says:

    j.b. Says:

    January 8, 2009 at 8:56 pm
    IS THIS WHAT JOE BIDEN WAS TALKING ABOUT, “Mark my words……………..” ?
    ********************************************
    YES and Colin Powell also put out a warning.

  90. j.b. Says:

    Hi Cyndi, I was just thinking about you yesterday. I hope you feel back to normal, soon! Thanks for the info-I think.

  91. j.b. Says:

    Troy, what was it that Powell said?

    Cindy, I think we might want to have Rose verify e-mail addy’s for you, first. In case there are some who read here for nefarious reasons………..also, I will want to use a different em,ail for the private blog.

    Thanks for doing this!

  92. ladyliberty Says:

    J.b. – hold on to your vacuum

  93. Troy Says:

    j.b. Says:

    January 8, 2009 at 9:40 pm
    Troy, what was it that Powell said?
    ***********************************

  94. Troy Says:

    Important!!!

  95. rosettasister Says:

    Until tomorrow, good people!

    New Thread:

    https://rosettasister.wordpress.com/2009/01/08/my-love-will-be-as-plain-as-the-ashes-in-the-snow/

  96. Tenacity Says:

    I’m here for an hour.

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