“Israeli leaders to debate “final” Gaza push” By Dan Williams



Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, pictured last month, condemned the “savage aggression” of the Israeli assault and said Israel’s “bloodstained hands are stirring up feelings of enormous anger.” But Mubarak also accused Hamas of bringing on the carnage by refusing to renew the truce. (Sameh Sherif / AFP/Getty Images)

“We warned [Hamas] repeatedly that rejecting the truce would push Israel to aggression against Gaza” Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak

“We have prepared for you, Zionists, thousands of tough fighters who are waiting for you in every street, every alley and at every house, and they will meet you with iron and fire.” Hamas spokesman Abu Ubaida




Military analysts believe Israeli forces would be severely challenged by combat in Gaza’s congested casbahs and alleyways, where much of their air support would be irrelevant and where Palestinian gunmen would be able to mount hit-and-run ambushes.

Conquering Gaza could amount to a reoccupation of a territory the Jewish state captured from Egypt in a 1967 war and quit in 2005. Israeli leaders have said they do not want to reoccupy Gaza or, for now, to topple the Islamist Hamas group.

Seven Israeli soldiers have died in an offensive that has killed more than 640 Palestinians, at least a quarter of them civilians, medics said. Palestinian rockets, the stated reason for Israel’s assault, have killed four Israeli civilians.

Israel said its troops had killed 130 guerrillas since Saturday, a figure that suggested the total Palestinian death toll since Dec. 27 might be close to 770 and that bodies could still be on the battlefield.

According to one Israeli source with knowledge of the security cabinet’s discussions, the initial ground sweep was executed well but the military top brass was disappointed by what they saw as relatively little Palestinian resistance.

“The assumption was that our forces could draw out the enemy into open areas where they could be eliminated, but they didn’t come out in the number we expected,” the source said. “Taking the fight into the populated areas would be much tougher.”

Hamas spokesman Abu Ubaida said in a speech on Monday: “We have prepared for you, Zionists, thousands of tough fighters who are waiting for you in every street, every alley and at every house, and they will meet you with iron and fire.”

See also:



UNITED NATIONS, Jan 7 (Reuters) – U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice urged Israel on Wednesday to seriously consider an Egyptian ceasefire proposal as the U.N. Security Council weighed action to end Israel’s attack on Gaza.

Rice spoke by telephone on Wednesday to Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni and was to meet Arab ministers as well as her French and British counterparts at the United Nations.

“We are trying to move forward here on a lot of different fronts,” said a senior U.S. official traveling with Rice, who planned to stay in New York to push the diplomatic efforts.

“We are supportive of the Mubarak initiative … we are saying (to the Israelis) that it is an effort worth working on,” he added, referring to the plan offered by Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak to end the 12-day Israeli offensive to suppress Hamas rocket fire against its citizens.

In an emotional speech, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas urged the Security Council on Wednesday to back Mubarak’s plan.

“Do not let one more Palestinian mother cry for her children,” he said. “Put an end to the massacre of my people, let my people live and let my people be free.”

Egypt said on Tuesday it was proposing an immediate truce between Israel and the Palestinians in Gaza, to be followed by talks on long-term border arrangements and an end to the Israeli blockade of Gaza.

Israel said it viewed talks on the proposal “positively” but stopped short of accepting Egypt‘s plan.

From AssociatedPress

President-elect Barack Obama says he is deeply concerned about the latest surge of violence in the Palestinian-Israeli crisis and he’s committed to working towards peace after he takes office. (Jan. 7 )

Phil Berg Barack Obama Ron Polarik Jeff Schreiber

213 Responses to ““Israeli leaders to debate “final” Gaza push” By Dan Williams”

  1. ladyliberty Says:

    1st – no way!

  2. rosettasister Says:

    Is that an American flag on Obama’s lapel?!

  3. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Cracks me up. Oblahblah says his administration will work tirelessly yada yada yada on the Irseali/Palistinian conflict as if his will be the FIRST administration to do so. What a dufus. Doesn’t he know that EVERY president since Isreal became a nation has had to work on that effort – to not much avail I might add. But I guess since he said it with such conviction and sprinkled some magic fairy dust on it what HE says is REALLY true. He is dreamin’ if he thinks he has the magic pill that solves the problem over there. I am not certain that a solution exists for the problems over there without a complete overhaul of the entire culture. It is a pipe dream to think there is some sort of compromise to be made. I guess, though, Barry is familiar with pipe dreams….

  4. thinkingmom11 Says:

    sorry for misspelling Israel…

  5. rosettasister Says:

    Reid caves?!

    “Reid says Burris might ultimately get Senate seat”


  6. rosettasister Says:

    You gotta see this image of Ol’ Sourpuss Reid!

    To: Dog

    “I’m not good enough,
    I’m not smart enough,
    And dog-gone it, people don’t like me!”


    47 posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2009 8:51:28 AM by COBOL2Java

  7. Tenacity Says:

    Geez…now they are coming right out and saying it! They must believe the patriots in this country are gutless and will just stand by while they destroy this country. God save America!


    There is also an embedded video in the article.


    Kissinger: Obama primed to create ‘New World Order’
    Policy guru says global upheaval presents ‘great opportunity’
    Posted: January 06, 2009
    9:07 pm Eastern

    By Drew Zahn
    © 2009 WorldNetDaily

    Henry Kissinger

    According to Henry Kissinger, the Nobel Peace Prize winner and former secretary of state under President Nixon, conflicts across the globe and an international respect for Barack Obama have created the perfect setting for establishment of “a New World Order.”

  8. rosettasister Says:

    “****Breaking*** SANDRA RAMSEY LINES Forensic Document Examiner”


    Freeper Thread:


    To: All; Polarik


    POLARIK says:
    December 30, 2008 at 5:24 pm


    I discussed the reason for the blackout of the Certificate Number back in June on my blog, The Greater Evil (polarik.blogtownhall.com). It is also in my final report, Obama’s born Conspiracy, which I encourage you to read.
    The Certificate Number is comprised of the Form type (151 is used for both the Certificate of Live Birth and Certification of Live Birth), the year of birth (which is 1961, or alleged to be), and lastly a CHRONOLOGICAL & SEQUENTIAL INDEX which is reset every subsequent birth year and increments each time a birth registration is processed from January 1 until December 31 for that birth year.
    HOWEVER, Hawaii accepted LATE BIRTH REGISTRATIONS meaning that any birth registration requested after December 31 of the birth year would receive whatever was the NEXT AVAILABLE CERTIFICATE NUMBER, and definitely would not be a number less than the number of births recorded for that year.
    Now, IMHO, the reason why it was redacted on the alleged “scan” image, but allegedly shown as 010641 in the phony Factcheck photos, is that Obama’s birth registration was, in fact, a late one, and would not have a number less than 14,000 (approx. the number of births for 1961 that actually were recorded during 1961). I believe that if you looked up birth record #151 1961-10641, you would find someone who is now deceased!
    Seeing as how none has ever seen any evidence of Obama’s real birth record, why not just borrow the certificate number from someone you know who really was born in Hawaii in 1961, or even from someone deceased who won’t have much use for it anymore. I’m sure that Obama could have picked one up on his trip to Hawaii prior to August 21 — the date that Factcheck posted their phony photos.
    As i have maintained throughout my four months of research, from June to September, there was never a real, paper Certification of Live Birth made from Obama’s birth record.
    And, I can tell you that Maya’s COLB was not used for the forgery. That was the categorically, false theory of the now, discredited Techdude, whom I exposed as a fraud a full month before his “Exclusive Forgery Report” was published on July 20 of this year.
    It also cannot be Maya’s COLB because the year of birth would be wrong and the number would point to someone living who could identify it.
    There were approximately 14,000 births in 1961, and #10,641 is bit low for someone allegedly born on August 4th as far fewer babies are born in the last quarter of the year than the second and third quarters.
    Jean, the ultimate source for all things related to Obama’s COLB (and everyone else’s COLB) is my 160-page (printed), fully illustrated report at polarik.blogtownhall.com
    FYI, Not only was I the very first person to identify and demonstrate that the online COLB is a forgery, I was the only one to prove that Factcheck’s photos are also fraudulent forgeries.
    The coup de grace, as far as Obama’s COLB being bogus with a capital “B”, is the fact that the Seal pictured on Obama’s COLB, allegedly printed in 2007, is not the Seal that appears on real 2007 COLBs (BTW, it was the borders found on real 2007 COLBs that sunk TechDude’s dingy).
    The cold, hard facts in this case seem not dissuade the Obamatons who insist that the online COLB is proof of his US citizenship, his natural-born status, and everything else connected with the Obama legend. The facts have also not deterred my detractors who were (and maybe still are) desperate to prove me wrong. Yet, their best (and last) great hope was someone (with “impeccable credentials”) who claimed to have “debunked” my final report — which would have been an incredible feat, seeing as how he never read it. Techdude also had “impeccable credentials” — except that he stole them from someone else.
    As far as forensic document experts go, Sandra Lines is the real deal, folks, and they don’t come any better. When it comes to the field of COLB research, I’m all alone here, and that is why I am thankful to Sandra for giving her stamp of approval to my work.
    The bottom line is that, regardless of who this all plays out, a deliberate, premeditated act of fraud was committed bwhen this false identification document was created and passed off as “Obama’s original birth certificate” (and still is, according to Obama’s own website), for the sole purpose of deceiving the American public into believing that Obama is a natural-born US citizen and, therefore, is Constitutionally qualified to serve as President.
    There were many people who were complicit in planning and committing this act of fraud — and what better way to shield oneself from scrutiny than to call this fraud a “right-wing conspiracy voiced by a few sore loser, nut-jobs wearing tin-foil hats?”
    Now, I cannot say that any formal changes will ever come from this online COLB conspiracy — yes, it is a bonafide conspiracy. It may be swept under the rug and forgotten, and the ones behind this little charade may never be known. Yet, I don’t hear as many people pointing fingers and laughing now as compared to the number I heard back in June when I began this research.
    In fact, I now see hundreds of thousands of new fingers being wagged in the direction of Obama, and it means that I helped to enlighten others.

    7 posted on Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:07:09 PM by Kevmo

    To: Kevmo
    Kevmo! Would you please stop printing my comments from other sites w/o my knowledge??
    BTW, I learned that there were 17,716 births in 1961, not 14,000 — I was looking at the number for Honolulu.
    If births were evenly spread across quarters, then #10640 would not be that far off..but I cannot find a periodic breakdown for Hawaii in 1961.

    12 posted on Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:15:37 PM by Polarik

  9. Tenacity Says:

    Good morning Rose’s gang.

    I find that photo of Reid rather flattering. He must have been in a good mood when they took that shot. That guy is demon possessed…and I am not being facetious. Exercism is in order. It’s name is Legion. I know we are supposed to see the good in people. Can anyone point out one good thing about that man?

  10. rosettasister Says:

    Polarik Comments at Free Republic – Part 2

    To: Polarik
    Oh, hi! Nice to finally meet the nut behind the conspiracy theories.

    14 posted on Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:25:23 PM by WinOne4TheGipper

    To: WinOne4TheGipper
    And a tough one to crack.

    16 posted on Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:31:41 PM by Polarik

    To: Kevmo; hoosiermama; PhilDragoo
    Re: Polarik’s final report: Obama’s ‘Born’ ConspiracyForged images, phony photos, and felony fraud

    Re: OBAMA’S ‘BORN’ CONSPIRACY – Important and corrections

    11 posted on Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:14:04 PM by LucyT

    To: LucyT
    The updated final report (the one that became EXHIBIT A) is what is posted to my blog, polarik.blogtownhall.com (and also bogusbirthcertificate.blogspot.com). I would refer others to that site.

    21 posted on Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:36:18 PM by Polarik

    To: Polarik
    “If births were evenly spread across quarters, then #10640 would not be that far off..but I cannot find a periodic breakdown for Hawaii in 1961.”
    Birth distribution by month for US in 1961 is here:
    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsus/vsus_1961_1.pdf (p. 1-29)
    Birth distribution by month for HI in 1961 is on p. 2-6.
    Check my math, but I get 9942 live births recorded through July. There were 1460 in August. I believe Obama BC was not registered until the 8th, so 1460 x 8/31 = 377. Add the latter to 9942 and you get 10,319 vs. Obama’s actual number of 10,640. Now, you could say Obama’s record “should” have been recorded on 8/14 given its sequence number (i.e., 31 x (10,640 – 9942)/1460 = 14.8). But births obviously are not spaced exactly evenly across every day of the month. As one example, for all we know, there may have been a “bumper crop” of Kennedy-election-night babies born in Hawaii in early August, in which case Obama fits right a mini-baby-boom in the first week of August. Indeed, this might explain the delay of several days between birth and actual registration: an unexpected, but quite temporary overload for the staff assigned to do this etc.
    I think this reasonably suggests whatever other things are suspicious about Obama’s certificate, late registration isn’t one of them.

    108 posted on Tuesday, January 06, 2009 4:49:53 PM by DrC

    To: DrC
    Thanks for the stats.
    Actually, using an average for July-Sept would yield a more valid monthly estimate, when divided by 31, yields 48 per day. I don’t necessarily buy the “bumper crop” argument as the total for August was 95% of July and 92% of September. I’m going to go with 48 per day as a slightly liberal estimate.
    So, 8 * 48 = 384 + 9942 = 10,326, or 314 births short of 10,640…or about 8 days later than Aug 8th.
    Now, that’s a lot of wiggle room to find someone who was born in August 1961 but no longer living on August 20, 2008, the day before Factcheck posted that Cert. number.

    116 posted on Tuesday, January 06, 2009 6:41:22 PM by Polarik

    To: freespirited
    As I have long said, my feeling from the start has been that Obama was probably born in the U.S. but doesnt want his original cert to be public because of some piece of information on it. There has to be a reason he would spend millions of dollars fighting this thing rather than spend 10 bucks to release the original cert.
    Even some embarrassment or private issue Obama doesn’t want seen publicly doesn’t make sense to me anymore for him to be fighting this. There is no reason whatsoever to prohibit a private judicial review that would never be released to the public. Obama is even fighting that. So yeah, something stinks. And where there is smoke there is usually a fire.

    122 posted on Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:29:01 PM by conservativegramma

    To: conservativegramma
    Obama violated the Polarik Principle. He’s toast.

    124 posted on Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:44:58 PM by Polarik (Polarik’s Principle: “A forgery created to prove a claim repudiates that claim”)

  11. rosettasister Says:

    Polarik Comments at Free Republic (Part 3 of 3)


    To: JosephW
    Ed Hale has turned it all over to Lawyer Steve Pidgeon and lawyer Dr. Orly to handle it all
    All Hale is doing is trying to raise money to help them with their expenses.
    Dr. Orly says she has documents to prove Obama as Barry Soerento applied and receive foreign student aid or so I heard on plainsradio tonight.
    If so, this would verify that he was not a natural born citizen.

    1,387 posted on Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:12:10 PM by patriot08

    To: patriot08; LucyT; Chief Engineer; Fred Nerks; Calpernia; Iowan
    Ed Hale said that there was proof in the Divorce Decree that Obama was born in Kenya. Well, it is not in there, as we can plainly see, because what should be there is not:
    No birth certificate.
    No marriage certificate.
    No Notice of Motion
    No Proof of Services are missing
    There is nothing else in the copy of the divorce decree. The use of Stanley’s maiden name (or initial) in a divorce proceeding is SOP, as I know from my own divorce.
    Thanks for the red herring, Hale.

    1,401 posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2009 9:22:26 AM by Polarik

    To: patriot08
    Yes, what you posted above is true. But Sr.Orley also said that part of the document has been scrubbed. She has folks searching in several places for the full document and said it can’t be scrubbed from everywhere. Just a matter of time it will be shown.

    1,400 posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2009 9:19:39 AM by seekthetruth

    To: seekthetruth
    said it can’t be scrubbed from everywhere. Just a matter of time it will be shown.

    Don’t bet on it.
    The documents were filed with the Hawaii Court all at the same time, including exhibits, marriage license and Obama’s birth certifcate, and all of which were numbered by the clerk who filed the documents in the Court.
    In Hawaii, neither the marriage licenses or birth certificates have ever been public record. In divorce proceedings, children’s birth certificates and the parties marriage licenses are typically filed as are the Notice of Motion and Proof of Service
    Berg’s PI obtained a copy of the entire file, and these documents have likely been removed, as is done in other court proceedings where exhibits are filed — It is SOP to destroy them after so much time.
    But not the Notice of Motion and the Proof of Services. They would be left in there.

    1,402 posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2009 9:28:54 AM by Polarik

  12. rosettasister Says:

    Thanks, Dr. Orly, for reminding me of Advance Indiana.

    Love it, love it, love it!!!


    “White Accuses Senator Reid Of Making Him The Fall Guy”


  13. rosettasister Says:

    Sen. Isakson: “I will be following the outcomes closely”


    Thank you for contacting my office regarding Senator Barack Obama’s birth certificate. I appreciate hearing from you and appreciate the opportunity to respond.

    The United States Constitution requires the President to be a natural born citizen of the United States. Senator Obama’s campaign provided his birth certificate to the media amid allegations that he did not meet this qualification. The certificate, confirmed by the Hawaii Department of Health as authentic, shows that he was born in Hawaii. There are a number of lawsuits pending on this matter, and I will be following the outcomes of the cases closely.

    Thank you again for contacting me. Please visit my webpage at http://isakson.senate.gov/ for more information on the issues important to you and to sign up for my e-newsletter.

    Johnny Isakson
    United States Senator

  14. j.b. Says:


    Oh, this is good! Ann Coulter on with Matt Lauer this a.m. It’s almost 10 minutes long if (I watched the whole thing). If you don’t want to, please at least begin watching at about the 7:00 minute mark for a snort worthy come back that is vintage Ann.

    Hello and enjoy!

  15. j.b. Says:

    rosettasister Says:

    January 7, 2009 at 5:53 pm
    Thanks, Dr. Orly, for reminding me of Advance Indiana.

    Love it, love it, love it!!!

    And thank you as well. Advance Indiana has a great blogroll to click on all day long!

  16. rosettasister Says:

    Why do I get the feeling this has something to do with Ed Hale?



    Date: 1/7/2009



    Last night’s show:

    Scroll down to 1-6-09

    Special Guest: Mark McGrew with Varvda (Pravda?)


  17. j.b. Says:

    Please help me here. If Orly does have proof that Barry applied and accepted financial aid as a FEC, how or what is the avenue that Orly plans to (or should) use to expose that truth?

  18. rosettasister Says:

    j.b. Says:
    January 7, 2009 at 6:04 pm

    “a snort worthy come back that is vintage Ann”


    Thanks, j.b.!

    I watched the whole thing.

    Instead of actually discussing the merits of Ann’s argument, typical Lauer wants to chastise Ann for referring to B. Hussein Obama.

    Hypothetically, if we had elected H. Hitler Truman in 1948, she thinks Truman’s middle name would have been discussed.

    Good point!

  19. Katie Says:

    As I posted yesterday, I predicted Mr. Burris will be seated to avoid any testimony. I still stand by that prediction and it’s looking more and more likely.

    I have it! The perfect ending to this horrific Obama mess. Wouldn’t it be poetic justice if the new junior senator from IL, the Honorable Senator Roland Burris is the one that challenges Barack Hussein Obama’s eligibility tomorrow??

    Allow me a few mins. to enjoy the thought…before the insane reality sets in again…

  20. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    My thoughts….
    I was reading though the divorce papers again of Ann/Lolo ….
    I would have to investigate but I would think by marriage under Indonesian laws that Ann would be considered an Indonesian citizen.. If the adoption of Bam Bam did happen..and it followed US format then Barry would of been adopted by both his parents, even though he was naturally born to Ann….. In turn that would make Barry adopted by TWO Indonesian citizens …..

    any thoughts??

  21. sdee Says:

    I wish Joe well. Watching him make Bo squirm while at the same time proving every member of the MSM to be slobbering groupies, was one of the few bright spots of 08.


  22. hockeyfan530 Says:

    Yeah, Joe deserves to be commended for putting up with all the crap they put him through. The saddest part about it is Joe the Plumber was vetted more than Barry

  23. sdee Says:

    “”Wouldn’t it be poetic justice if the new junior senator from IL, the Honorable Senator Roland Burris is the one that challenges Barack Hussein Obama’s eligibility tomorrow??””

    Thanks for the image Katie – made for a fine daydream.

  24. hockeyfan530 Says:

    Man, the thought of Barry eating dinner with former presidents makes me sick to my stomach. Even the ones I didn’t care for much I respect them for who they are. How can Barry show his face with these men knowing damn well he is not eligible!? He is one disgusting human being.

  25. sdee Says:

    I agree Fan. It also was a turning point in my mind when Mac squandered it by making Joe a sideshow – failing to see the real significance of what Joe had done. Guess by then it was too late.

  26. rosettasister Says:

    “I was not informed about the selection of Leon Panetta to be the CIA Director”

    Dianne Feinstein

    I know Senators fancy themselves as independent but what’s up with Diane Feinstein bucking Obama and the Dems on the Illinois Senate seat AND Leon Panetta all in one day?

    Well, on Feinstein, Obama and the Dems seem to be catching up to her. She was obviously ticked off, understandably so, about not being consulted on Panetta. And I think in general a lot of Democrats on the Hill want to make clear that they’re not about to roll over for the new administration. I think that’s a good thing, and there are legitimate questions about Panetta’s experience.

  27. j.b. Says:


    Good reading here this day…….I’m out the door but wanted to share this lil’ update on our friend Joe (hope it’s not a repeat).

  28. sdee Says:

    Has anyone else noticed that someone must have done a “global Find and Replace” on the entire Internet of the text “Global Warming” , for the text “Climate Change”?

    I was doing some work on that topic today – all the hypotheses, data, and conclusions are all exactly the same, it’s still our fault, but now they call the result climate change. Hilarious.

  29. sliderblaze Says:

    Well Sdee, they figured out that it was getting hard to convince people the earth was warming, when it is actually cooling….lol

  30. sdee Says:

    come on now Slider – Bo’s just not had time to cut a YouTube video ‘splaining’ it to us.

  31. sliderblaze Says:

    i think that video would be a map of how to put ones own head, up ones own ass. I’d be a long 10 minute video with really only 20 seconds of real information in it.

  32. hockeyfan530 Says:

    all while chanting in the background “Yes We Can, Can, Can….Yes We Can, Can,Can….”

  33. hockeyfan530 Says:

    I hope we can start chanting “No You Can’t, Can’t, Can’t, No You Can’t, Can’t, Can’t….” someday soon

  34. Tenacity Says:

    Is everyone up on what is happening with We The People Foundation? Any feedback or thoughts on the effectiveness of their Continental Congress? I plan to attend the local prep meeting in Denver on Jan. 14th. If anyone is familiar with the organization, I would appreciate any information you have. I have gotten email broadcasts via friends in the past, but knew little about them before I saw Schulz at the press conference at the Press Club with Berg & Taitz. To join the congress, they require a commitment of $7 per month. To be a delegate (3 per state), they want people who have a track record of being an author, community leader or community activist with no felony on their record. I suspect Oblahblah would not be eligible. I just want to make sure I’m not wasting my time. I’m listening if anyone has knowledge! Thank you!

  35. sliderblaze Says:

    Protester Calls for Jews to ‘Go Back to the Oven’ at Anti-Israel Demonstration<——remember all the “Muslim” protests we used to see in the EU, like Briton, well, seems like the US is getting a healthy dose lately. And these are the people who wanna preach tolerance, bitch please, God i cant wait till we clean house.

  36. sliderblaze Says:

    Dont know Ten, shame tho, i have a felony

  37. sliderblaze Says:

    well, i should say, had a felony, my record was expunged, i need to make sure that happend

  38. Tenacity Says:

    The Continental Congress is to be held in Philadelphia, but I haven’t seen a date announced yet. They say that delegates should plan on a 2 week event.

  39. Tenacity Says:

    They are considering waiving the felony disqualifier on a case by case basis depending on the record. Some known patriots have felonies like possession of a firearm where the law was unconstitutional per the 2nd Amendment. We The People Foundation has agreed to consider special cases.

  40. ladyliberty Says:

    Don’t know if it has been posted yet:

    Breaking: Dr. Orly v Obama (Lightfoot v Bowen) – Accepted for Conference
    US Supreme Court ^ | 1/7/08 | US Supreme Court

    Posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2009 3:59:18 PM by BP2

    No. 08A524
    Title: Gail Lightfoot, et al., Applicants
    Debra Bowen, California Secretary of State

    Lower Ct: Supreme Court of California
    Case Nos.: (S168690)

    ~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Dec 12 2008 Application (08A524) for a stay pending the filing and disposition of a petition for a writ of certiorari, submitted to Justice Kennedy.
    Dec 17 2008 Application (08A524) denied by Justice Kennedy.
    Dec 29 2008 Application (08A524) refiled and submitted to The Chief Justice.
    Jan 7 2009 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of January 23, 2009.

  41. Tenacity Says:

    I’m not talking about the Con Con btw. This group is against the Con Con. This is a group in favor of individual state malitias and against changing the constitution illegally. They are protesting abuse of the constitution like the IRS, Federal Reserve, War Powers Act, Right to bear arms, NBC as POTUS and etc.

  42. Tenacity Says:

    That’s news Liberty…thanks – GOOD NEWS!

  43. ladyliberty Says:

    Watch this youtube video at:

    Obama is questioned about his silence over the issues in the Middle East and he stumbles all over himself to answer the question posed by Chuck Todd of NBC (OMG – do they dare question the chosen one?).

  44. sliderblaze Says:

    Philly is only 50 mins from my house

  45. Tenacity Says:

    Philly is about 25 hours from my house.

  46. sliderblaze Says:

    TEN, where do you live my man?

    How hard would it be, for Ohole to call up Bush and say, “i want to make a joint statement with you to let Israel know we got her back” unless……your policy of Israel is different than one of her defending herself?????????

  47. ladyliberty Says:

    Posted on Free Republic in the comments about Orly’s case:

    Instead of filing with another Justice, Dr. Orly solicited the Chief Justice to see what his opinion of it was. All other Justices had been “queried” on their stance of such a challenge and had accepted, or rejected.

    This was the first time in the series of lawsuits against Obama that Chief Justice Roberts was directly solicited. And he accepted it.

    Three days after Inauguration, but perhaps he’s also waiting for a true “Cause of Action” — be that the counting of the Electoral Votes OR the Inauguration itself.
    The Inauguration date is the only date noted in the Constitution tied to the new POTUS. January 6th is under USC Title 3, changed to Jan 8 by Joint Resolution back in October 2008. I believe all other dates are set by USC 3, as well.

  48. ladyliberty Says:

    If that is true and I am reading it right……this is REALLY good news!!!!!

  49. Foxtrot Says:

    Please call the Senators and Representatives listed below who have shown concern for this issue and ask that they show the courage in objecting to this certification of the electoral votes until President Elect Obama’s proves his eligibility.

    Here is a Q/A with Phil Berg, whose case will be in conference by the Supreme Court on January 9th.


    Sam Brownback (KS) – (202) 224-6521
    James Inhofe (Ok) – (202) 224-4721
    John Thune (SD) – (202) 224-2321
    Lamar Alexander (TN) – (202) 224-4944
    Bob Corker (TN) – (202) 224-3344
    John Cornyn (TX) – 202-224-2934
    Kay Bailey Hutchison (TX) – 202-224-5922

    John Linder (GA) – (202) 225-4272
    Duncan Hunter (CA) – (202) 225-5672
    Thomas Tancredo (CO) – (202) 225-7882
    Dennis Kucinich (OH) – (202) 225-5871
    Paul Broun (GA) – (202) 225-4101
    Marsha Blackburn (TN) – (202) 225-2811
    David Davis (TN) – (202) 225-6356
    John J Duncan, Jr. (TN) – (202) 225-3271
    Ron Paul (TX) – (202) 225-2831
    Kay Granger (TX) – (202) 225-5071
    Pete Sessions (TX) – (202) 225-2231

    I have made my calls stating there are millions of us who support an effort for someone to stand and question Obama’s eligibility. I told them they would be a hero to America and a true Patriot. We need all of you to do the same!

  50. ladyliberty Says:

    Well it seems the Porn industry is seeking a federal bailout – WHAT????


  51. sliderblaze Says:

    Chicago Public Schools’ cappuccino bill: $67,000
    ‘A WASTE OF MONEY’ | Report says staffers skirted rules to buy 30 coffeemakers, changed athletes’ grades, falsified addresses

    cus hey, they learned from the best!!!!! is there anything other than rotten coming out of chicago, me thinks no

  52. ladyliberty Says:

    Perhaps Roberts waiting and accepting the case today is part of that Chess game that others have mentioned. Now it is clear that there ARE 4 Justices that might support hearing this case. The day before the certification of the results this happens??? SCOTUS is saying – “This is your last chance!!!!” —– IMHO!

  53. Foxtrot Says:

    From Dr. Orly’s website:

    Dear Patriots,

    Please e-mail all the important information you gathered in Barack Hussein Obama’s and his family’s investigation to a specific agent with Chicago, IL FBI chicago@ic.fbi.gov or call 312-421-6700 Please, let the operator know that you have information in regards to Barack Hussein Obama and you need to talk to an agent.

    Their investigators will verify and develop the information and will forward it to Patrick Fitzgerald’s office. FBI and Patrick Fitzgerald’s office cannot confirm anything in regards to any ongoing investigation until the indictments and subpoenas are filed and the information becomes public.

  54. ladyliberty Says:

    I don’t know Slider – Burris intrigues me. I love how he submitted information that he is qualified for the job and “natural born.” I think there is more to them denying him the seat than Blago appointing him…

    That’s has to be the only bit of “good” I have seen.

  55. Tenacity Says:

    I’m in Parker, Colorado, one of the fastest growing communities in the U.S. We are 20 miles SE from the Capital Bldg in Denver.

  56. sliderblaze Says:

    Ah, what i wouldnt give to have some good snowboarding around here, there is a mt here, but, it’s more like a hill, only one black diamond. Shame

  57. budgy Says:

    Larry has posted his story about the real reason that Gov. Richardson “withdrew” his name.

  58. Tenacity Says:

    Here’s an interesting piece. The question is who do you believe…the World Bank? Sounds like they may be conveniently throwing Bush under the bus…thump, thump, thump


    Biofuels May Be Even Worse than First Thought
    Spiegel Online

    An internal report put together by the World Bank and leaked to the Guardian claims that biofuels may be responsible for up to 75 percent of recent rises in food prices. Even environmental groups haven’t gone that far in their estimates.
    More and more corn is ending up in fuel tanks rather than on plates.

    With soaring food prices high on the agenda for next week’s G-8 Summit in Japan, World Bank President Robert Zoellick has been clear that action needs to be taken. “What we are witnessing is not a natural disaster – a silent tsunami or a perfect storm,” he wrote in a Tuesday letter to major Western leaders. “It is a man-made catastrophe, and as such must be fixed by people.”

  59. Tenacity Says:

    The little bit of skiing I’ve done over yonder (east of the Mississippi) has been more like downhill ice skating on boards. The snow is great in the Rockies this year. I’m hoping to get up there in the next couple weeks.

  60. Tenacity Says:

    Is everyone ignoring my RFI on We The People Foundation and their call for a Continental Congress or is no one familiar with them?

  61. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Sorry I haven’t been around much,… but I have been keeping track of everything going on…
    Been working on a power point presentation and also trying to study as I am upgrading my Ham radio operator licence…

    Seriously considering buying a private frequancy… only 89 bucks …and with the rapid changes lately…. has me wondering if it would be a good idea…

  62. Tenacity Says:

    Thanks for the Sinclair tip Budgy.

    Talk about a bold statement…check out the first line in this excerpt from Sinclair’s blog:

    …..Bill Richardson has more skeletons in his closet than Bill Clinton and they are coming out and were let out for the Obama team. While many have been aware of the official claims that Richardson was pressured to give Monica in the blue dress a job, few have addressed the fact that Bill Richardson was the individual who PAID Monica to get on her knees for Bill.

    Robert Gibbs knows that the Obama team has been trying to determine how to dump Bill Richardson without the truth coming out about the information given to them by Clinton surrogates. This is yet another in a very long list lies and misrepresentations from Robert Gibbs, Barack Obama and his team to keep the truth of things from coming to light.

    I want to personally say THANK YOU “Auntie M” for having confided in me when you contacted the Obama DC transition team and for giving Bill Richardson what he deserved. I look forward to talking to you upon your return from DC.

  63. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Had a good laugh at the comment on Larry’s blog
    Geeze, talk about animals eating their young. lol They have nothing on the cannibals on the Hill.

    Bill Richardson may have more skeletons in his closet than Bill Clinton, but Jeffrey Dahmer has “nothing” on Odrama.

    “Dem” bones “Dem” bones…lol

  64. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    we are aware of the con con….. and it IS a big issue….
    I can only speak for myself, but I can only handle one huge battle at a time..

    Let this thing with Bam Bam settle down and I will be on the con con horse with spikey heels

  65. Katie Says:

    Lame Cherry has a post that’s got a very unflattering photo of Uhhbama and his opinion as to why it’s been published. If you need a good chuckle or two…


  66. j.b. Says:

    Tenacity, I signed up for that “club” (I think it was them, is that the one that includes Joe Wurzelbacher? If not, then I am mistaken) but they never answered my e-mail. Maybe I should not have included my comment, “”I believe Larry Sinclair”! I think it sounds worthwhile and you would certainly be an asset to them-I say, ‘goferit”! 🙂

  67. j.b. Says:

    I have made my calls stating there are millions of us who support an effort for someone to stand and question Obama’s eligibility. I told them they would be a hero to America and a true Patriot. We need all of you to do the same!

    Is leaving a message acceptable? I mean, I could place some calls tonight, but it’d have to be after dinner…………….Is that a stupid question? ‘Cuzzzzzz after writing it, it seems like a stupid question and I am not one of those that believes “there is no such thing as a stupid question”, I just do not like asking them! NTTAWWT.

  68. Tenacity Says:

    ROFLMAOOOOOOO , between Sinclair, Lame Cherry, Katie, “Dem” bones and now j.b.’s stupid question, I will be laughing for the rest of the night. People will be looking at me funny wondering why I am smiling and giggling. My wife will probably be wondering why I’m smiling when I wake up in the morning.

  69. budgy Says:

    Katie…I looked at the photo of BO @ Lame Cherry. LMAO…looks like he getting ready to kiss some butt.

  70. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    anyone read the other article in Lame Cherry’s blog about Bam’s Momma being a automatic Bitish citizen because of marriage?

    I bookmarked the British Nationality act on 1948 and 1965 but I haven’t had a chance to read it…….

  71. Tenacity Says:


    When I saw that Lame Cherry Photo…kissing butt was not exactly what came to mind. I will let Troy and Slider elaborate.

  72. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Who will be watching C-Span tomorrow??

    C-SPAN broadcast the joint session on 1/6/05 when the electoral votes were counted, so it seems likely they’ll do so tomorrow (and I’d expect it to be on C-SPAN (the original), rather than C-SPAN2 or C-SPAN3 (or maybe on all three), since the basic C-SPAN is the one that more people have access to.

    As a reminder of the process tomorrow…the Congress (senate and house) convene in joint session. There’s a bit of pomp and circumstance, and then they get down to business. The electoral votes are counted state-by-state in alpha order (Alabama is first; Wyoming is last). As each state is “called,” the electoral vote certification from that state is officially opened and counted. There is a call for any objections to that state’s electoral vote. If there is an objection (let’s say from a congressperson), then the President of the Senate (VP Cheney) will ask if there are any objections from the Senate. If there are none, that state’s votes are added to the official count, and they move on to the next state alphabetically. If there are objections filed to an individual state’s electoral vote certification by BOTH a congressperson and a senator, then the joint session is adjourned to the separate houses for debate, which is limited to 5 minutes (max) per speaker, and 2 hours max in total (no filibuster opportunity). At the end of the two hours (if it takes that long), debate is closed and the question is called. Each house votes (by majority vote) whether or not to “certify” the electoral vote from the state under objection. The two houses reconvene, and announce their vote. If both houses vote to uphold the objection, then that state’s electoral vote is set aside while the other state’s votes are counted (same process). If one house votes to uphold the objection, but the other votes to quash it, then the state’s votes are added to the official counted, and the joint session moves on to the next state, and the next, and so on. While there is no provision in the law for the “challenging” of the total electoral vote (won’t happen), there is nothing to prevent a challenge state-by-state (although if the first challenge is defeated in the separate sessions, it would be extraordinary to see a challenge to another state’s electoral votes on the same grounds; on the other hand, if the first challenge is successful in the separate session, you can expect additional challenges as the state-by-state electoral vote count progresses).

    Even if one state’s electoral votes are set aside, that would not prevent certification of the electoral votes (and the “official” election of Barack Obama). Enough challenges would have to be issued, and successful in separate house debate/vote, to prevent Obama from reaching the magic 270 number of electoral votes. Even if California (for example) was set aside (and that’s the biggest plum on the electoral tree), Obama could still reach the magic number and be certified by the joint Congress.

    So tomorrow, we start with Alabama-Alaska-Arizona-Arkansas-California. If there is going to be a serious challenge issued, it will occur with the California electoral vote. If California pa*ses unchallenged, it is unlikely (but still certainly possible) that any other challenge (which includes the requisite congressperson and senator) to any other state’s electoral vote certification will be raised.

  73. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Phil Burg will be on tonight on

    KSFO – 560 AM
    8:35 p.m. eastern time with Brian Sussman
    San Francisco, CA

  74. sliderblaze Says:

    via plains….. someone called into Vioniviches office and the lady there said that he is well aware of the situation, that they had a lot of calls about it, and that his attorneys are looking at the issue…..

    at least someone is looking at it and not just regurgatating the crap most sen. are doing

  75. sliderblaze Says:

    Voinovich, sorry

  76. budgy Says:

    Drudge..devoloping. Fitz screwed up a report to the media and released names on a different case. Hope it happened because his mind is really on the Blago case.


  77. j.b. Says:

    Thanks for that Cindy…..I will try to catch C-span when I can tomorrow. I appreciate the detailed account. That really lowers the risk of me asking yet another “stupid question” which could potentially throw Tenacity into an uncontrollable laughing fit that, in turn, could pose a dangerous (as well as suspicious to those around him) threat to his well being. Or something.

  78. budgy Says:

    Tenacity Says:

    January 8, 2009 at 12:04 am

    When I saw that Lame Cherry Photo…kissing butt was not exactly what came to mind. I will let Troy and Slider elaborate.

    Slider looks like Tenacity wants you to explain this pic since I don’t see Troy here. lol

  79. j.b. Says:

    Yeah, um, I am all for us using our own imagination as far as that picture goes…………………knowhatimean?

  80. Tenacity Says:

    Just think sausage.

  81. Katie Says:

    Tenacity – we must be neighbors. I’m in the same town you are. Just east of the town in the next county, tho.

  82. Tenacity Says:

    you forgot NTTAWWT.

  83. Tenacity Says:


  84. ladyliberty Says:


  85. Katie Says:

    Yep. Where the wind always blows. Uh oh, I think I just opened the door for more comments. Back later…

  86. Tenacity Says:

    So are you going to the We The People Foundation meeting in Denver on the 14th?

  87. Tenacity Says:

    Do you know why the wind blows into Colorado so hard from Wyoming?

  88. budgy Says:

    lol…yes I know. Just wanted to see how Slider might explain it. lol

  89. ladyliberty Says:

    Tenacity – I did some reading on the Foundation and Congress and it looks pretty interesting. It is a great idea. You should go and let us know what happens.

  90. Tenacity Says:

    Berg is on KSFO 560 now.

  91. Tenacity Says:

    I plan on it. I just wanted to be forewarned if need be.

  92. ladyliberty Says:

    KSFO is like a “real” radio station…..has he been on many “real” stations for people who don’t wear tinfoil hats???

  93. sliderblaze Says:

    no sausage jokes from me tonight, i’m hard at work……

    ha….i’m hard….doh

  94. ladyliberty Says:

    Slider……NTTAWWT, but this is a family blog

  95. sliderblaze Says:

    Dude on that station is actually asking the right questions….nice

  96. ladyliberty Says:

    Orly’s on Plains and no Ed??

  97. ladyliberty Says:

    OOOOppps……..Ed is there.

  98. Tenacity Says:

    Do you all know where KSFO is? I find it difficult to believe that a program that accurate and real is being broadcast from the Bay Area. My chin is on my chest.

  99. sliderblaze Says:

    yes, the bay area

  100. ladyliberty Says:

    Well……..it was AM radio and in the Bay Area there were probably 5 listeners, so maybe it is not as big a break as I thought.

  101. ladyliberty Says:

    He did say his phone lines were packed……………..so maybe there were more listeners

  102. sliderblaze Says:

    it’s a hot topic.

  103. Katie Says:

    # Tenacity Says:
    January 8, 2009 at 1:21 am

    So are you going to the We The People Foundation meeting in Denver on the 14th?

    Do you know why the wind blows into Colorado so hard from Wyoming?

    Tenacity – can you post a link about the Denver meeting? I saw your earlier post but don’t know enough about it to commit. I’ve had it with the way our gov’t is abusing their powers, and it’s time to take action instead of just observing and complaining, so I am interested in getting involved. And no, I don’t know about winds from WY. Just that it’s getting annoying. At least we aren’t dealing with the fires like up in Boulder.

  104. igaveup Says:

    does anyone know anything about api threatening so sue fox news?

  105. j.b. Says:

    igaveup Says:

    January 8, 2009 at 3:17 am
    does anyone know anything about api threatening so sue fox news?

    Because they axed for it? Get it? So sue fox news?

    I just got soooooooo creeped out when Newt showed up on Greta……I had a very icky dream about HIM last night!
    At one point (in the dream) he showed up wearing orange lipstick and a dress!!!! He was trying to make me laugh because I was so pissed at him for pawin’ all over me!
    I know, ick, squared.

  106. j.b. Says:

    Did Berg have anything “new” to say?

  107. j.b. Says:


    Hmmmmm, memba them on November 4th?

  108. Tenacity Says:

    I was just on Plains…what a hoot. I’m still on but listening.

    The wind blows into Colorado so hard from Wyoming because Texas sucks.

  109. j.b. Says:


    Rut roh! Maybe Fitzy Boy is losing his head (NO! slider) over all the evidence that is piling up against Barry Boy and the thought of what is going to happen when he has to arrest the annointed one just before his inauguration and throw his lyin’ ass in jail! Maybe, just maybe that’s throwin him off his game a little?

    A girl can dream…………..Oh. Yeah. Yuck. And then along comes(sliiiiiiider…..) Newt Gingrich with orange lipstick …………and a nightmare ensues.

  110. Katie Says:

    LOL – except I’m being nice to my TX friends. They’re threatening to secede from the Union if Obama is inaugurated, and have offered to let me in before they close the gate. I’m packing my bags now!

  111. Tenacity Says:

    Last updated: January 7, 2008

    Schulz Pre-2009 Continental Congress
    Public Meeting Schedule


    I listened to Berg and heard nothing new. He wasn’t on very long. It was a new audience for him so he went over stuff we’ve heard several times.

  112. Tenacity Says:

    I’m thinkin’ we cut off the southern half of Colorado just below the southern limit of the city of Denver and join Texas. If Texas secedes, I may become a proud Texan. The left can have Denver proper and Boulder.

  113. Tenacity Says:

    Newt in orange lipstick…That’s just not right.

  114. j.b. Says:

    What? Would you have preferred Red?

    I have that vision b u r n e d in my brain! Not good.
    At all.

  115. Katie Says:

    Thanks for the link Tenacity. I’ll check it out and let you know. Signing off for tonight.

    History will be made tomorrow folks. Either a presidential election is halted, or a USURPER is elected. Either way, those are words I never thought I’d ever write in my lifetime.

  116. Tenacity Says:

    So j.b., do you often dream of politicians pawing you?

  117. saveusa1 Says:

    Good news, Chief Justice John Roberts agreed to hear case Lightfoot v Bowen, challenging eligibility for presidency of Barack Hussein Obama. He distributed the case to the full conference of the Supreme Court.

    Hi, I just found the above on another website. Is this big news or will it just end up being tossed out because citizens don’t have standing?

  118. Tenacity Says:

    That makes 3 Fridays in a row. 9th, 16th & 23rd. It also dimonstrates that at least 4 justices seem to be willing to look at the problem. A good sign all the way around.

  119. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    I think they already have a idea in their head…and are waiting for the RIGHT case that touches the point of were they can actually do something……

    If we were tin foil hat,….. after the first conference they would of ignored all other cases on the issue…. Burg has a writ,,,,, so I think that makes it cutomatic to conference……. but all others… would of been moot…….UNLESS they think we are on to something….

    What I am holding on to…..

  120. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    giving myself a sniff, nope not that…

    no one seems to want to talk to me anymore

  121. Tenacity Says:

    I’m back if you are still there. One can only pray that the Supremes have an ounce of courage.

  122. j.b. Says:

    Tenacity Says:

    January 8, 2009 at 4:08 am
    So j.b., do you often dream of politicians pawing you?

    Uh, noooooo and Newt ain’t exactly my type, either.

    I will be so glad when this whole SCOTUS thing takes place.
    Am I crazy to think WE might have a chance?
    (Troy, don’t bother. )

  123. justanamericancindy4 Says:


    This might be my home, but I bounce all over the net,… I rarely post elsewhere but I read…..

    and I do hope the Supreme have a little courage…. because some of the things I read aren’t pretty

  124. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Hubby has been working 16 hours days…. and the house can only get so clean…… so I have a lot of extra time on my hands…

  125. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    well to be honest he really isn’t my hubby…… yet…. we postponed the wedding after the flood, all the wedding savings had to go into getting the business running again….

  126. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    isn’t it weird that Justice Roberts is the one swearing in Bam Bam the 20th but he accepted Oleys case for conference the 23rd

    Doesn’t it make it wrong to do so if he has his doubts?

  127. j.b. Says:


    Please go here and vote! (but only if you vote “yes”! lol)

    *glenn is too cute with that hairy face. he looks so much like my hubs* 🙂

  128. j.b. Says:

    Cindy, yes, it does seem wrong.

  129. Tenacity Says:

    unbelievably wrong

  130. Tenacity Says:

    I voted yes, but then I’ve had a beard since 1973.

  131. j.b. Says:

    Yay! I just watched a youtube of Glenn on Fox and Friends………now, that was dreamy.

    Seriously, I look so forward to Glenn being on Fox. I hope he isn’t still all gloom and doom-I had to turn his show off a few times. I could NOT take it any more! Even though he’s usually right. The truth is too hard to hear sometimes, I guess.

  132. j.b. Says:

    Wait! 1973? Dayuuuuum……….It must be down to the floor!

    j/k. you trim it, right?

  133. j.b. Says:

    You know the more I think about it, I believe the justices had to wait (as others have said before me) until after the official count. (tomorrow) Imagine down the road and this whole lawsuit comes up and let’s just say, Roberts decides to chime in with;
    “Yeah, we knew he wasn’t eligible, we knew it was our duty to stop him, but hey, imagine the riots. We did not want to be responsible for that“.

    R e a l l y? No. I just don’t see this being ignored by them.

  134. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    lol just got a YIM from the hubby…
    three lines….

    I was under truck
    hammer was on top
    we meet

    knot on the forehead…… lol

  135. Tenacity Says:

    Trim it? You betcha! I once played the Rabi in Fiddler On The Roof and my chorus did a wild west bar scene for our International competition 2 years ago. I let it get pretty bushy for those. Normally shaped and trim.

    If the Supremes ignore this now, it will come back to haunt them and the whole country before long. This is not going away. There will be a civilian militia and it won’t be Soetoro’s.

  136. Tenacity Says:

    I hope he’s okay? On the other hand, if he voted for That One, I hope it knocked some sense into him.

  137. j.b. Says:

    Good news re; The Beard.

    Cindy, bad news on the head meets hammer! 😦

    K, that’s it for me. Pray for a miracle (or two)!
    See yous tomorrow…….

  138. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    He hates Obama….. and is rude in making that point clear….lol

    guess it has a goose egg on his forehead and it put him to sleep.. he is starting his truck now to come home….. only 5 minute drive… making him call me and talk the whole way….. just to make sure

  139. j.b. Says:

    Wait, Ten, about your singing. I meant to save that link you posted eons ago-but didn’t. Would you mind reposting it, please? I would like to see/hear it. TIA.

  140. justanamericancindy4 Says:


    My brother once let his beard grow as long as zz tops….. him and his buddies decided to enter the beard contest at the fair…. he won

  141. Tenacity Says:

    If it knocked him out, he needs to stay awake for at least an hour to make certain he doesn’t have a concussion or clot. Ice baby, Ice. If he is nauseous or very dizzy, take him to the ER.

  142. j.b. Says:

    Cindy, it knocked him out? You’re familiar with the signs of a concussuion, right? Keep you eye on him……..

    How’s those pups doin’?

  143. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    you know that man makes a hobby out of hurting himself…
    first thing I did at the new shop was stock the medicine cabinet

  144. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    I was a certified nursing assistant in my younger years… and took EMT training….. so yeah I know what to watch for… Thank you guys for the concern though

  145. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    great……… he tossed his cookies….. guess who won’t get much sleep tonight watching over him

  146. Tenacity Says:

    http://soundoftherockies.com/Quartets/quartets.html I’m the baritone in Category 4. The Chorus took 3rd in the world in ’07 and 4th in ’08. We are shooting for Gold in Anaheim this summer.

  147. j.b. Says:

    uh-oh, that’s the first sign……..good luck with that!

    TENACITY! Are you still here?

  148. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    The pups are growing like crazy……. I have new pics……. I will put them in photobucket tomorrow……lol .everytime you pick them up they stick their tongue out….

  149. j.b. Says:

    Cool, I will check that out, will you please look at this and splain it to me?

  150. j.b. Says:

    everytime you pick them up they stick their tongue out….


  151. Tenacity Says:

    I’m still here.

  152. j.b. Says:

    Tenacity Says:

    January 8, 2009 at 5:53 am

    I’m the baritone in Category 4.

    Sooooo, you’re the white guy, right?


    *psssssst, i dunno how to pick out a “baritone” so I went with the cute guy with a beard. how’d I do?*

  153. j.b. Says:

    Tenacity Says:

    January 8, 2009 at 6:00 am
    I’m still here.
    Okay, will you please look at that?

  154. Tenacity Says:

    Lightfoot v. Bowen is set for SCOTUS conference on the 23rd. What exactly do you want splained?

  155. Tenacity Says:

    I’m the ugly one on the left. Match my avatar.

  156. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    yeah,…….. 20 days old now…. already have one of the little girls sold……

    I think it will break my heart when they leave to a new home

  157. j.b. Says:

    I assume all the different groups have their own cd’s right?
    (BTW, I love me some cappella). OkAY, which clip are you on?

  158. j.b. Says:

    Okay, your avatar looks like a penquin to me, I don’t see no stinkin penquins on that site!

    The question I have referred to the post about all those addresses and aliases connected to barack Obama and supposed $ or something. I thought it would show right up on the link.

  159. sliderblaze Says:

    r u sure ur not the dude in the dress? lol

  160. sliderblaze Says:

    Breaking: Police say 3 rockets fired from Lebanon hit northern Israel….

    oh shit

  161. Tenacity Says:

    Dr. Taitz is presuming a lot about what Roberts is saying by setting her case for conference. We can only pray she is correct. It is interesting that now 4 different justices have now referred an NBC case for conference. Maybe the timing thing is for real…God only knows. 3 Fridays in a row they have scheduled conferences on this issue. If the Congress certifies the vote tomorrow and the SCOTUS passes on Berg’s writ of certiorari (sp?) on Friday, I will not have much hope for Taitz case. I just pray the Supremes have the guts to defend the constitution on this Friday. Then Taitz case will likely get pulled in before the 23rd.

  162. j.b. Says:

    sliderblaze Says:

    January 8, 2009 at 6:13 am
    Breaking: Police say 3 rockets fired from Lebanon hit northern Israel….

    oh shit

    P e r f e c t……….George W better not be packin his bags just yet, ……..Barry’s prolly packin’ his, getting ready to run away from it all……….ahhhhhhhh, cryin like a little girl.

  163. sliderblaze Says:

    i wish they’d sched. them all on the same freakn day, pick the best one, and have at it!!!!

  164. sliderblaze Says:

    please let it be Hizbollah…..i hate them fkrs

  165. j.b. Says:

    Okay, I was kidding about the penquin part (kind of), are you the one with hair? Or no hair? (on your head) NTTAWWT.
    You do realize your avatar does not have a head, right?

    So, did you see the stuff I mentioned?

  166. Tenacity Says:

    No, I ain’t hip enough to be doin’ no cross dressin’. However, the guy in the mummy outfit is my buddy Bege. Those guys are hysterical.

    I was afraid Hezbollah was going to enter the mix. They are stronger now than when Israel went into Lebanon before. They withdrew too quick and should have annihilated them when they had the chance. Iran has their hand on the trigger of both Hamas and Hezbollah. Its either kill them all or wait until they get stronger.

  167. j.b. Says:

    Speaking of avatars, slider is that you or Kenny Chesney? 🙂

  168. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    He’s home safe…..

  169. j.b. Says:

    Good to hear, Cindy. (I thought he was home when he hurled)

  170. sliderblaze Says:

    thats me J.b. haha

  171. sliderblaze Says:

    Go Israel Go!!!!!

  172. j.b. Says:

    Oaky, here is part of the post I was talking about It is the one right under the first one on the blog…….

    Research by Team Researcher
    Anonymous has commented on http://drorly.blogspot.com/2009/01/look-at-this-huge-list-of-properties.html

    The message left:
    Name – OBAMA, BARACK
    Street Address – 1603 RUCKER RD
    City, State, Zip – ALPHARETTA GA 30004-1435
    Probable Current Address – No
    Telephone –
    Telephone Accountholder –
    Social Security – 579-02-xxxx
    Age –
    Date of Birth –
    Deceased – No
    Date Record Verified – Feb 08 – Aug 08

    Ok I checked on the above address because I know the area and there is no 1603 Rucker Road shown on the tax appraiser web site HOWEVER there is an Islamic Center of North Fulton Inc. showing ownership of two properties on the same road at 1255 and 1265 Rucker Road as well as a man by the name of Hussain Mohammed Shahib and Shaiman Bano showing ownership of the properies located at 1380 1410 and 1420 Rucker Road now I will drive up to the 1603 address sometime tomorrow and see if it exists or not but this is a strange coincidence yes?”

    Reader comments:
    >>>>Tom says:Today, 9:28:25 AM CST
    “This SSN number was issued from the district of columbia in or around 1980??????

    Kelly says:Today, 9:51:21 AM CST
    “I don’t understand what this would mean… can someone elaborate?>>>>

    YIKES! Obama is everywhere!!!

    US People Search on Barack Obama:
    People Search Results
    Make your selection below
    Addresses available instantly!

    People found: 14 that match BARACK OBAMA NATIONWIDE.
    = Available Information
    First NameMiLast Name (Req)CityStateAge
    Name Age Phone Address City/State Relatives Premium Information

    1 Barack Obama
    Charleston, SC
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    2 Barack Obama
    Denver, CO
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  173. j.b. Says:

    Slider where did you hear about the Lebanon attack?

    Oh and nice hat. 🙂

  174. Tenacity Says:

    Taitz has been soliciting research help to leave no stone unturned in finding records related to Also Known As. School records and anything else that would indicate what names he used and when. Grants, scholarships…whatever. If there is information out there, she intends to find it any way she can. Chasing down some dead alleyways, but hey, you never know what they might turn up.

  175. j.b. Says:

    What do you guys think is going to happen now with this added attack?

  176. sliderblaze Says:

    NC is my home away from home, the people are sooo nice down there.

    the addresses seem to raise some questions. It’d be interesting to see where all that leads.

    Fox News

  177. j.b. Says:

    Okay, Ten, thanks. Did you see my 6:19 post?

  178. sliderblaze Says:

    Israel better f um up. they said they would and the should

  179. sliderblaze Says:

    it’s funny how they would do it now, since talks of a cease fire are being discussed, just shows these people dont want peace

  180. j.b. Says:

    They will have no “peace” unless Israel is gone……..

  181. sliderblaze Says:

    TV networks: Don’t raise eligibility questions
    Fox, CNN, MSNBC all refuse permission for advertising time…

    via wnd

  182. Tenacity Says:

    Hezbollah is a much greater threat than Hamas. Israel will have no choice but to take out Hezbollah within striking distance to Israel. I don’t know how thin it will stretch Israel’s resources to fight both fronts. I don’t believe they have committed that many forces and tanks to Gaza.

    One of my investors lives in Israel and I will be speaking to him sometime tomorrow. I will ask a few more questions and give a report. He lives outside the striking distance from Gaza. I don’t believe he is too close to Lebanon either.

  183. sliderblaze Says:

    eh, dont get me started on investors….mine just punked out on me the other day. chicken shit

  184. Tenacity Says:

    j.b. Says:
    January 8, 2009 at 6:32 am

    Okay, Ten, thanks. Did you see my 6:19 post?
    Bald head, white beard, blue eyes, and…oh no, my avatar has no head…geez, where did my head go? Check out the tie. I wanted an avatar that would be difficult to reproduce by clones. Now my secret is out. If I get cloned, it will be all your fault. 😉

  185. j.b. Says:

    sliderblaze Says:

    January 8, 2009 at 6:40 am
    TV networks: Don’t raise eligibility questions
    Fox, CNN, MSNBC all refuse permission for advertising time…

    via wnd


  186. j.b. Says:

    sliderblaze Says:

    January 8, 2009 at 6:40 am
    TV networks: Don’t raise eligibility questions
    Fox, CNN, MSNBC all refuse permission for advertising time…

    via wnd


  187. j.b. Says:

    Bald head, white beard, blue eyes, and…oh no, my avatar has no head…===================================================
    Oh, good! I was afraid you were the guy with hair. He reminds me of a science teacher I had back in the day……he was yucky.

    Oh, and too late about your avatar. (I had it cloned when you were busy reading that Orly crap) Sorry ’bout it.
    That’s how I roll.

    G’night Irene and you guys. I have a job interview tomorrow-Wish me luck!

  188. sliderblaze Says:

    good luck

  189. sliderblaze Says:

    Breaking News >> Israeli Forces Return Fire Across Lebanon Border After Rockets Slam Israel <———-thats right

  190. Tenacity Says:

    Best of luck j.b.

  191. Tenacity Says:

    I like how Fox keeps referring to the mainstream media…like they aren’t a part of it. I wanted to believe that once, but no more.

  192. sliderblaze Says:

    however, in the world of crap, they do smell the least

  193. Tenacity Says:

    I guess they aren’t sure if it was Hezbollah or Palestinians that fired the rockets out of Lebanon.

  194. Tenacity Says:

    Stinks none the less.

  195. sliderblaze Says:

    well, reports were that they werent allowing Hamas to fire from there, i guess they are allowing someone to now

  196. Tenacity Says:

    Manana Slider…have a good night.

  197. hockeyfan530 Says:

    morning everyone. How goes it? will barry get one step closer today? One day closer to the biggest scam in the history of this country? FOX news can kiss my ass. Same with Rush, Hannity, Ingram…anyone that refuses to talk about the eligiblity issue. I think FOX was the best during the election but fell far short of telling the FULL truth about little Barry S. of Indonesia

  198. hockeyfan530 Says:

    some really interesting info on Orly’s site today. All 3 items i’ve read so far this morning are very interesting. I think Orly will NEVER let Obama get away with these shannigans from Barry.


  199. Tenacity Says:

    Good morning – Rose’s Gang Rocks!

    Great…I checked to see what was happening on CSPAN…Tom Daschle confirmation hearing. His home state rejects him and now he gets resurrected. Proof to me that this administration will be as bad as it can get. The man disgusts me almost as bad as Reid & Pelosi.

  200. Tenacity Says:

    I find Orly to be TENACIOUS. High compliment coming from me.

  201. hockeyfan530 Says:

    I see what you did there….good stuff. See, kids, the name “Tenacity” implies he is, himself, IS TENACIOUS, thus “Tenacity” calling someone tenacious is indeed a high compliment. LOL

  202. Katie Says:

    Morning – I just read the story on WND how the major networks are refusing to let a PAID commercial (that states FACTS) be aired on their networks. Makes me livid – you can see the writing on the wall. I have contacted WND and sent in this suggestion.

    Re: TV networks: Don’t raise eligibility questions

    Suggestion – post the YouTube video link with this story at the top of the Home page.

    Challenge all your readers to send it to at least 10 people, with the heading “The Story that CNBC, MSNBC, Headline News, CNN and FOX WON’T let you see!” or something along those lines.

    We have a better chance of it going viral and bypassing the censors!!

  203. hockeyfan530 Says:

    It is infuriating isn’t it Katie? I also think they should send a letter to all of the networks and use the 200,000 names from the petition on WND. Tell them well the 200,000 people will no longer be watching your network

  204. Katie Says:

    Hockeyfan530 – Infuriating is the understatement of the century. And beginning to be a way of life.

    Yesterday I got the ‘beg-a-thon’ email from McCain who wants to start a new “Country First” campaign. I almost threw something at the computer! Here is my reply: (along with a copy of the oath he swore to, as well as Article 2 of the Constitution)

    Mr. McMain – You have GOT to be kidding, right?

    Until we see a Senator and a member of the House STAND UP and challenge the eligibility of Barack Hussein Obama/Barry Soetoro or whatever his real name is, this solicitation is an INSULT to every one of us who voted for McCain. With a USURPER in the White House whose intent is to destroy the United States, you can kiss the “Republican” party goodbye. There will be no United States of America.

    I have lost respect for you, especially since you failed to defend the nameless attacks on Sarah Palin. The ONLY thing I respect about you was your decision and influence to bring that amazing woman to the forefront for the conservative voters.

    Good luck in your new endeavor. As of now, it’s a nice slogan. But it’s an empty promise.

  205. budgy Says:

    Morning Gang…TD’s blog is a must read today. George Washington’s vision of the future is scary and there is a comment below regarding the COLB. Serial # info and what the #’s mean.

  206. hockeyfan530 Says:

    katie, I received the same email yesterday too. I was pissed too. He has a lot of nerver

  207. rosettasister Says:

    Good morning, America! How are you?!

    New Thread:


  208. Tenacity Says:

    I got this from my brother. I have been very suspicious of snopes for the last year. This confirms my suspicions.

    For the past few years ww w. snopes.com has positioned itself, or others have labeled it, as the ‘tell all final word’ on any comment, claim and email.

    But for several years people tried to find out who exactly was behind snopes.com. Only recently did Wikipedia get to the bottom of it – kinda makes you wonder what they were hiding. Well, finally we know. It is run by a husband and wife team – that’s right, no big office of investigators and researchers, no team of lawyers. It’s just a mom-and-pop operation that began as a hobby.

    David and Barbara Mikkelson in the San Fernando Valley of California started the website about 13 years ago – and they have no formal background or experience in investigative research. After a few years it gained popularity believing it to be unbiased and neutral, but over the past couple of years people started asking questions who was behind it and did they have a selfish motivation? The reason for the questions – or skepticism – is a result of snopes.com claiming to have the bottom line facts to certain questions or issue when in fact they have been proven wrong. Also, there were criticisms the Mikkelsons were not really investigating and getting to the ‘true’ bottom of various issues. I can personally vouch for that complaint.

    A few months ago, when my State Farm agent Bud Gregg in Mandeville hoisted a political sign referencing Barack Obama and made a big splash across the internet, ‘supposedly’ the Mikkelson’s claim to have researched this issue before posting their findings on snopes.com. In their statement they claimed the corporate office of State Farm pressured Gregg into taking down the sign, when in fact nothing of the sort ever took place.

    I personally contacted David Mikkelson (and he replied back to me) thinking he would want to get to the bottom of this and I gave him Bud Gregg’s contact phone numbers – and Bud was going to give him phone numbers to the big exec ‘s at State Farm in Illinois who would have been willing to speak with him about it. He never called Bud. In fact, I learned from Bud Gregg no one from snopes.com ever contacted anyone with State Farm. Yet, snopes.com issued a statement as the ‘final factual word’ on the issue as if they did all their homework and got to the bottom of things – not!

    Then it has been learned the Mikkelson’s are very Democratic (party) and extremely liberal. As we all now know from this presidential election, liberals have a purpose agenda to discredit anything that appears to be conservative. There has been much criticism lately over the internet with people pointing out the Mikkelson’s liberalism revealing itself in their website findings. Gee, what a shock?

    So , I say this now to everyone who goes to ww w. snopes.com to get what they think to be the bottom line facts…’proceed with caution.’ Take what it says at face value and nothing more. Use it only to lead you to their references where you can link to and read the sources for yourself. Plus, you can always google a subject and do the research yourself. It now seems apparent that’s all the Mikkelson’s do. After all, I can personally vouch from my own experience for their not fully looking into things.


    I would check this out through snopes, but don’t believe that would do much good 😉

  209. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    Hi Everyone! Anyone seen Al lately?

    SCOTUS realizes that with so many cases before them they will have to give this the due course it demands. It is not as though one lone horse has ridden into town demanding to be watered. The whole herd has ridden in and you can’t get through town because all of the pooh pooh piles–this demands honest attention from SCOTUS. Just my h.o.p.

  210. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    I dont’ think that anything of note is going to transpire when the electoral votes are presented. I think eveyrone is frozen by the perceived economy woe’s… I’m going to trust that the conservatives on the hill are going to do their best to keep judicious watch over BO– even if we fail to protect the Constitution whole. I don’t see anyone standing up except the few, the brave… I’m sorry–don’t mean to be a party pooper…must be the pain meds..

  211. rosettasister Says:

    Good to hear from you, Patty!

    We’re over here:


  212. Terry Says:

    ….and I think to myself….what a wonderful world!….Oh yeah……

  213. rosettasister Says:

    Terry Says:
    January 8, 2009 at 6:29 pm

    ….and I think to myself….what a wonderful world!….Oh yeah……


    Welcome, Terry!

    We’re at the link just above your comment.


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