“Stimulus Buzz Drives Dollar Bounce” By DON CURREN



What’s the Buzz?



TORONTO — The U.S. dollar was broadly higher as reports circulated about the substantial size of the economic stimulus package being contemplated by President-elect Barack Obama.

The U.S. currency has been bolstered by news the incoming administration is considering proposals to stimulate the U.S. economy with a $775 billion stimulus package, including a $300 billion tax cut, analysts said.

“To the extent that there is any news behind it, I guess all we can really point to is the evolving Obama stimulus package,” said Adam Cole, head of foreign exchange strategy at RBC Capital Markets in London.

The large gains by the dollar also reflect continued illiquid conditions in currency markets, he added.

Liquidity is likely to remain thin in the next few sessions, he said.

Write to Don Curren at don.curren@dowjones.com

See also:

“Obama Going To Govern A Lot Like Bush?”


From AssociatedPress

Barack Obama is heading to Capitol Hill to push for quick action on a broad economic stimulus package congressional leaders are saying won’t be ready until mid-February at the earliest. That’s almost a month later than the president-elect wanted. (Jan. 5)

Phil Berg Barack Obama Ron Polarik Jeff Schreiber

139 Responses to ““Stimulus Buzz Drives Dollar Bounce” By DON CURREN”

  1. rosettasister Says:



    As with tax hikes, once tax cuts are enacted it is nearly impossible to convince Americans higher taxes will do them good. We all know there has to be some compromise to the left in any stimulus package, so there will be lame and useless government program growth. But what is interesting is how this approach really drives a stake into the far left liberal policies of taxing the rich, and how that defangs the liberal left and doom & gloom crying far right.

    Interesting Comment:

    Terryeon 05 Jan 2009 at 11:50 am

    Obama is a politician and as such he might well be playing both ends against the middle.

    But…I fail to understand how he can pay for 600,000 new government employees and still cut taxes. BTW, I thought he was going to do away with all those dastardly Bush tax cuts. The tax credits to people who do not pay taxes are subsidies, but once you start that sort of thing it can be difficult to stop it.

    I know Obama has thrown a lot of people under that famous bus of us, even now he is claiming Bill Richardson lied to him. Please, put an R behind Obama’s name and people would accuse his transition of lousy vetting of nominees.

    I did something interesting right after the election. It was a poll by Zogby {grain of salt and all that}…according to that poll the majority of Obama voters thought that Republicans had been in control of Congress for the last two years. If this poll is true, then it is obvious that the media can make people believe anything..just by the tone of their reporting. Hence, Obama could govern like Bush but with a higher approval rating.

  2. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Rose – That is all so true. The media – well, any good communicator, for that matter – knows that you can manipulate the listener with intonation, word choice, posturing and body language. I totally agree with the above comment about how O could govern just like Bush but get sky high approval ratings. The uninformed/misinformed public doesn’t take enough time to evaluate what they hear, check the facts, know what their own core values/beliefs are and just take what the hear at face value and try to sound smart and informed to their friends and co-workers by regurgitating what they heard on CNN to them perpetuating the misinformation. Sad.

  3. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    reposted from previous post:

    January 5, 2009 at 4:32 pm
    Hi Everyone… just trying to catch up on the posts. I’ve been under the weather with the pancreatitis again. Looks like it wants to win–but I’m a fighter!

    So glad you all are here keeping up the fight and holding down the front. I’m still trying to do my part, but life is kicking my butt right now…

    peppermintpatty777 Says:

    January 5, 2009 at 4:33 pm
    BTW, If you notice I have taken my hat off. This is in mourning for all that is happening in Israel. I am wearing my yellow star in solidarity with all Jewish people everywhere.

  4. rosettasister Says:

    Good morning, Mom and Patty!

    We miss you both when you’re not around!

    Patty, please get well soon.

    You’re in our prayers.


  5. rosettasister Says:

    I wanted to see what my old friends were up to this morning.

    You may want to check them out, too.






    I sure do miss HillaryClintonForum.

    But I did run across this forum the other day when I was searching for info on the Hollister (interpleader) case:

    HillarysVillage.net > Political Issues & Discrimination, Corruption & Abuse of Power > Categories Constitutional Challenges & Eligibility


  6. rosettasister Says:

    “01-05-09 Americas Right – Conversation with Phil Berg”


  7. rosettasister Says:

    In case anyone has an interest:

    “Obama-Dunham 1964 DIVORCE DECREE Forthcoming”



    To: hoosiermama

    Can you put the picture on some kind of software so we can just see the initial and make them larger.

    Your wish is my command:

    740 posted on Monday, January 05, 2009 9:32:19 AM by Polarik

  8. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Rose – did you see the hit counter on Larry’s site – over 3 million! Korir will be SOOOO jealous…

  9. rosettasister Says:

    thinkingmom11 Says:
    January 5, 2009 at 5:46 pm

    Rose – did you see the hit counter on Larry’s site – over 3 million! Korir will be SOOOO jealous…


    Hey, Mom! Good for Larry!

    You just never know what Larry’s going to put up next.

    Sometimes it’s XXX rated!

    As for Korir, I’m trying not to pay attention.

    Although I would love to hear from the infamous Group of Five.

    They probably feel as I do.

    I’m so embarrassed by the whole thing.

  10. rosettasister Says:

    Polarik Comments at Free Republic:


    To: MississippiMan
    People need to look up what “forensics” mean. I am absolutely a forensics expert in COLB research, and there’s no one else who has done what I have done, nor as much as I have done, for as long as I have done. I am the best that anyone can find. Period.
    In the past 20 years, I’ve been an expert witness in court cases, so that knock is out.
    It’s just another meaningless troll argument.

    11 posted on Monday, January 05, 2009 7:54:13 AM by Polarik

    To: usmcobra
    Obama’s COLB takes up more space in Bytes then any other COLB of the same exact size and makeup.
    Actually, size doesn’t matter here. All COLB’s scanned at 300 DPI become bitmaps of the same size, as they all occupy 24 MB of memory and file space.
    When this bitmap is converted into JPG format, the image is compressed and the space requirements are greatly reduced: the more compression is used the smaller the file size, and the lower in quality is the image.
    Obama’s bogus COLB images were saved with high amounts of compression.

    13 posted on Monday, January 05, 2009 8:28:52 AM by Polarik

    To: TheCipher
    “It’s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate,” spokesman Janice Okubo told us.”
    Even that statement is bogus. What Okubo said, and I quote:
    “It looks just like my birth certificate.”
    Factcheck’s false statement is like saying that because the moon looks bigger when it’s closer to the horizon, it must be closer to the Earth then.

    14 posted on Monday, January 05, 2009 8:36:40 AM by Polarik

    To: TheCipher
    Factcheck loves to play loose with the truth.
    There also was a statement they made which was also made by AP. This might be a chicken and egg scenario, but If I had to bet, I’d say that Factcheck issued the statement first and the AP copied it — even though the AP has a history of ignoring the facts.
    The statement was that Hawaiian officials confirmed that Obama was born in Hawaii.

    17 posted on Monday, January 05, 2009 9:17:17 AM by Polarik

  11. rosettasister Says:

    One more from Polarik:

    I hope this isn’t a TOS violation. I don’t know, just thinking aloud.




    To: MHGinTN; Kevmo; Fred Nerks; Iowan; Calpernia; LucyT; PhilDragoo
    My Honolulu Lawyer is interested in doing some work for us. We just have to come up with a price that will make it worth his while.

    149 posted on Sunday, January 04, 2009 10:45:04 PM by Polarik

    To: mojitojoe; Kevmo; Fred Nerks; LucyT; Calpernia; little jeremiah; Iowan
    I’d like for everyone who wishes to donate money to hiring the Hawaii lawyer to do some research, please PM me along with the questions you’d like for him to answer.

    160 posted on Monday, January 05, 2009 9:36:41 AM by Polarik

  12. Foxtrot Says:

    Rose, I noticed several days ago that you posted Linda Starr’s blog address. Can you do that again? I am trying to see if we can get an update on that “sealed” case today? Gotta run to a meeting, but I will check back later.

  13. sliderblaze Says:


    yeah cus i guess providing leather, milk and meat just isnt enough….

    VIVA LA REVOLUTION!!!! i’m wondering what will be the hair that breaks the camels back

  14. sliderblaze Says:


    another hair…..i hope this serves to repubs that the dems are now the enemy of freedom and stop this bullshit of trying to be the nice guy

  15. sliderblaze Says:


    of course we all saw this one coming. how does this guy keep getting elected

  16. rosettasister Says:

    Foxtrot Says:
    January 5, 2009 at 6:36 pm

    Rose, I noticed several days ago that you posted Linda Starr’s blog address. Can you do that again? I am trying to see if we can get an update on that “sealed” case today? Gotta run to a meeting, but I will check back later.


    actually, that was ladyliberty

    ladyliberty Says:
    January 4, 2009 at 7:59 pm

    Katie – try going to Linda Starr’s Blog at http://lgstarr.blogspot.com/


    What I want to know is just exactly where do you keep running off to, and who is it exactly that you’re meeting with?!

    inquiring minds want to know!


  17. rosettasister Says:

    sliderblaze Says:
    January 5, 2009 at 7:04 pm


    of course we all saw this one coming. how does this guy keep getting elected


    hey, slider thanks for the links.

    could you please try reposting with workable link.

    I just want to see if it works.

    I didn’t change any parameters, I think it may have something to do with traffic, but that’s just speculation on my part.



  18. sliderblaze Says:

  19. rosettasister Says:

    sliderblaze Says:
    January 5, 2009 at 7:18 pm

    Sorry about that, slider.

    I really am going to try and figure this out.

  20. rosettasister Says:

    From radiovice

    David Gregory does a masterful job of pinning down this weasel on his “The war is lost” comment in 2006 … and Harry Reid goes on to compare himself to … General Petraeus? Oh yeah.

    Thank you so much for this, slider!

    Harry Reid is so full of shit!!!

    You’ll need a “Searchlight” to find an ounce of truth coming out of this man’s mouth!

  21. sliderblaze Says:

    sad state of affairs indeed. Seems the Dems are having tons of trouble lately. There is one thing about having total control of power…..all your short comings will be fully exposed for what the really are. Nobody else to blame but yourselves..

  22. rosettasister Says:

    sliderblaze Says:
    January 5, 2009 at 7:27 pm

    Nobody else to blame but yourselves..


    So true, so true!

    Can I share a very strange dream about Barack Obama I had a little bit ago?

    I remember very distinctly what I told him.

    I said, “Good luck getting blamed for everything that goes wrong in the world for the next four years!”

    I do believe I envy those that don’t remember their dreams.

    I carry them around with me!

  23. sliderblaze Says:

    I do believe I envy those that don’t remember their dreams.

    I carry them around with me!
    me too, night terrors since i was very little. I often have dreams about my house being haunted (some very disturbing ones) When i first moved in there, when i was looking at the place, there were pages from the bible ripped out, and placed on all the interior doors, it was extremely weird. House was built in 1850’s

  24. Fernley Girl Says:

    A preview of things to come:


    This is a really long article, and sorta like chewing on a shoe. But when your done your brain will be stuffed full of new info.

  25. rosettasister Says:

    sliderblaze Says:
    January 5, 2009 at 7:41 pm

    me too, night terrors since i was very little. I often have dreams about my house being haunted (some very disturbing ones) When i first moved in there, when i was looking at the place, there were pages from the bible ripped out, and placed on all the interior doors, it was extremely weird. House was built in 1850’s


    Maybe your house is haunted!

    I live in a new house, so if anybody’s gonna haunt this house, it’s gonna be me!

  26. sliderblaze Says:

    Dont say that rosetta…..boooo

  27. rosettasister Says:

    Oh, and while we’re on the subject, I haunt the White House, too!

    Watch out!

  28. sliderblaze Says:

    hopefully Regan will be the one haunting the white house. good grief this country needs a hero, and apparently. Ohole aint it

  29. rosettasister Says:

    Thanks for the laughter, slider!

    Going outside.

    Another day in paradise in the Valley of the Sun!

  30. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    sliderblaze Says:
    me too, night terrors since i was very little. I often have dreams about my house being haunted (some very disturbing ones) When i first moved in there, when i was looking at the place, there were pages from the bible ripped out, and placed on all the interior doors, it was extremely weird. House was built in 1850’s

    Hi everyone back again– Slider, was that in a dream, about the Bible pages, or was it for real?

    I think I would be questioning why you would move into a house that had Bible pages on all the doors? LOL! I wondered the same thing about the Amityville Horrors House! Why would someone move in —

    But then again I lived in a house one time where the tv and stereo would come on automatic. It wasn’t too scary to start with because we thought it was just the neighbor had a remote control tuned to the same wavelength…but then when we unplugged the stereo and it still came on–that was scary!

    I leased the house from this couple, and they had stuff stored in the basement. There was a car stored there. When I first moved in the house had been trashed by previous tenants, so I had my work cut out for me. They had left everything behind. I asked the neighbors one day about it and they said the woman who lived there had killed her husband, then she moved here with this other husband. They brought a “black” guy with them, or moved him in and then one day he disappeared. The law came looking for her for killing her former husband, and then she and this other man took off.

    I always wondered about the car in the basement. But, I figured that the home owners just treasured it for sentimental reasons.

    The strange thing was that we had been hearing this noise that sounded like a motor running. Well, it was a far away sound, and I always thought it was coming through the woods behind the house, from another housing area. One day, we realized it was coming from the basement. My teenage daughter lived there with me (she’s all grown up now) and we would come home to the strangest scenarios. Like, the doors open when they were locked and closed when we left. Pencils laying in strange ways in the floor when they weren’t there before– Then one night I was in my bedroom and my daughter was in her room across the hall. I heard the front door open and footsteps coming down the hall. I heard them stop outside our bedroom doors. I quickly opened my door to see who it was–my daughter was sitting huddled on her bed scared because she had heard it too. She thought someone had broken into the house like I did–but there was no one there!

    People didnt’ believe it until they were there and heard the same things. It sort of became funny because we would be sitting in the living room, and guests would all of a sudden look at us and say, “it sounds like there’s a car in running in your basement”–we would explain…and they would go stand beside the door that went downstairs. You could hear it running but as soon as you opened the door it stopped. I would take them downstairs so they could see that the car doors were all locked.

    Hope that makes you feel better, Slider!

  31. sliderblaze Says:

    Hi everyone back again– Slider, was that in a dream, about the Bible pages, or was it for real?
    that was real, when i went to look at the place, they were hangin on the doors.

  32. Troy Says:

    sliderblaze Says:

    January 5, 2009 at 6:54 pm

    yeah cus i guess providing leather, milk and meat just isnt enough….

    VIVA LA REVOLUTION!!!! i’m wondering what will be the hair that breaks the camels back
    You will think I’m joking, but I’m not…..They want to tax
    “cow farts”….Lmaooo…..I’m serious….They already do this throughout Europe and Australia, I think….Yes, those pesky cow’s farts are a major reason for “global warming”….The methane produced by pooting cows is going to destroy the planet….Hehehe….Just like any new coal-fired generating plants, “If you want to be a rancher that’s fine, but you will just be bankrupted”…..Poor little cows!!!…..Lmaooooo

  33. sliderblaze Says:

    and no that does not make me feel better, i dont believe in ghosts and what not, but….who am I to say…. i’m sure ill be dreaming of a car in my freakin basement tonight. thanks…lol

  34. sliderblaze Says:

    Obama is giving the “there is on president at a time speech” and you cant “have two voices” well, i guess if you were selling the jews down the river, there would be two voices. That has to be the fact or there would be TWO GUYS SPEAKING WITH ONE VOICE!!!! So much for a unified front

  35. sliderblaze Says:


    we the (US) is getting quite rediculous

  36. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Here is the summation of Obama’s current speech: “i uhh, we huuhh, err uhh..iii wee err uuhh”

    PE Obama can you give us a 15 second sound bite: “i uhh we errgh uhgh uhh iiii i-i-i uhh expect to address this issue once I’m inaug-rated.”

  37. hockeyfan530 Says:

    i see barry’s kids started school today. Poor kids. As bad as I feel for the kids being drug through all of this because of the actions of their parents I hope they have to switch schools one more time when barry is found to be ineligible

  38. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    So sorry Slider. I had night terrors as a kid and they are no laughing matter. I still have occasional nightmares–of the most nastiest kind with demons and devils and all that stuff. But, maybe your ghosts can get in my ghost’s car and they can drive away together!

    I have annointed my home with oil and prayer and thanksgiving. The only ghosts in the house I live in now are the ones of my own making–especially when I empty the woodstove of it’s ashes–little dust ghosties go everywhere!

    I would like to say I don’t believe in ghosts either, but I believe there was something mighty strange going on in the house I lived in–and it was witnessed by many different people– it didn’t take me long to move out of it though!

  39. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Just think about all the poor kids now who have to deal with SS in their school all the time…

  40. jrh Says:

    I haven’t been to obamacrimes to look yet. Has there been anything about the so-called Jan 4 deadline item? I think this is just the case about Obama as an illegal senator, but could be wrong. Any ideas?

  41. Tenacity Says:

    I was so happy when Daschel got sent home. I thought no one could possibly be worse than that piece of work. Then we get Pelosi and Reid. Boy, I have never been more wrong. It is inconceivable that either one of these two sacks of crap could have ever been elected, much less reached that level of leadership. It is a bold demonstration of how pathetic DC politics have become. They all need to be in the unemployment line. Impeach the whole bloody lot, if you ask me!

  42. sliderblaze Says:

    i got an idea, i think Reid needs slapped stupid, oh wait, slapped smart. He said on meet the press that we (the us senate) decides who’s a senator or not. Uh, harry, that would be we the people you fn moron

  43. sliderblaze Says:

    Burris : “I am the magic man” Omg, dems need to get over themselves already.

  44. Troy Says:

    Uh, harry, that would be we the people you fn moron
    Nah, it used to be “we the people”…..We no longer run our government…..Our government runs us….This was the founding father’s worst fear and now it has come to past.
    Unfortunately there is only one way to reverse it and I think everyone knows what that is….We would be forced to to do battle with our own military right here at home.

  45. Troy Says:

    sliderblaze Says:

    January 5, 2009 at 8:32 pm
    Burris : “I am the magic man” Omg, dems need to get over themselves already.
    Now now, Slider he is just trying to appeal to “Obama the magic Negro”

  46. Katie Says:

    Just found this fascinating document. So much for the stuttering response, “I/we uhhh, had no contact with the uhhh, governor” nonsense.

    And also nice to see the stationery has been printed for the non-existent office of the president elect.

    Think anyone will see or hear anything about this on the MSM? Who are we kidding!


  47. hockeyfan530 Says:

    that’s weird….I thought Obama said they had no contact with blago. It’s almost like he was lying. But I’m going to assume that I’m just misinterpreting what he said. I always take things barry says out of context…when will i learn!?

  48. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    grrrrr I wish I could b!tch slap Pelosi


  49. sliderblaze Says:

    lets see, we already got physical contact down—meeting in Philly
    we got verbal contact down—meeting in philly
    we now have written contact down—letter
    maybe he meant telepathic contact?

  50. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Hey HF! Why can’t you believe that PEBO is the honest, trasparent man of integrity that he says he “er, uhh,” is? Why do you have to take everrrry thing he says so far out of context! Just because he said he had not had any contact with Blogo, why can’t you understand that what he really meant was that he had not had any contact with Blago that he wanted the public to know about? Geeze, Hockey! Can’t you understand plain Kenyan English? I mean with a name like Barak Hussein Muhammad Obama Soetoro Dunham Obama can you expect the man to say everything of what he means–BHMOSDO is a man as confused as his name and his birth are!

  51. Troy Says:

    Al Franken was just certified as the winner….Another election stolen….I am and always have been an Independent, so I can say this without bias….The Democratic Party has become the most filthy party our country has ever seen….After this election year, if you are a Democrat and don’t change your affiliation to independent, then you probably need to reconsider….The Democratic Party should change it’s name to
    “The Sodomites”, because they have bent the entire country over and are dishing out a good old fashioned butt humping.
    I believe it’s time for me to move on and say goodbye to what’s left of this country….Maybe Texas can sucede from the Union and then I would have a reason to stay.

  52. justanamericancindy4 Says:


    yes, I know what you are talking about..there are many undertones of that very subject in many posts in other places. Most do not want it to go there, they want the legal system to do it’s job and right the wrongs.
    But there is that undercurrent of waiting and watching and seeing it it comes to that decision.

  53. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    ohhhh Troy
    We got our stolen suburban back.what is left of it…
    have pics it you want to see on photobucket


  54. hockeyfan530 Says:

    someday i’ll learn to trust barry and not second guess him. Yes we can…yes we can! It’s amazing how barry supporters just don’t care how much he lies! He has lied about EVERYTHING he’s been questioned on. EVERYTHING. Associations, ACORN, Blago. I just don’t get how so many people get be sooo stupid. I hope barry is exposed so i can laugh in all of those peoples’ faces

  55. Troy Says:

    justanamericancindy4 Says:

    January 5, 2009 at 9:01 pm
    ohhhh Troy
    We got our stolen suburban back.what is left of it…
    have pics it you want to see on photobucket
    Yes, the little buzzards picked all the meat off of it’s bones and left a carcass….How much would you like to bet that they voted for Obama?

  56. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    OK Hockey, here we go:

    “Can we get Obama out”

    and HF says, “Yes we can!”

    “Can we get Michelle out”

    HF: “Yes we can”

    And Hockey, you must realize that Obama has not lied about anything, he has only obfuscated the truth!

  57. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    it was just a mudding truck, but it was dependable and being a one ton it would haul anything..
    feel sorry for the hubby, that truck was like a bf….
    it eas a 20 year old kid that stole it…… he is still on the run

  58. jrinNC Says:

    “Two Democratic officials say President-elect Barack Obama has chosen former Clinton White House chief of staff Leon Panetta to run the CIA. Panetta was a surprise pick for the post, with no experience in the intelligence world.”

    Is anyone else here wondering WHY all the Clinton people are being picked for strategic positions???????????????? Me thinks HillBill have made deals with BirdieObama because they really do have something on him.

  59. sliderblaze Says:


    i know you can figure out the metaphor for this one…pretty self explanatory

  60. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Hmmm.. I read the letter from Obama to blago…makes you wonder about the PE’s judgement when he pledges to work closely with Blago and he seeks Blago’s advice on huge issues and plans… especially on large “hit the ground running ready to go” contract plans…

    makes you want to scratch your head and say, “huh?”

  61. Foxtrot Says:

    No jrinNC. If the Clintons had the “goods” on Obama, they would have used them in the primary to have him bow out of the race. My inside sources say they do not and did not have any goods on him. Obama is using Clinton people because it was the best economy simultaneously with taking care of most of the national debt in 40 years! The country was working, unemployment was very low, the debt was growing smaller, new businesses were cropping up everywhere, we were at peace in the world, and still respected by other countries. I would want to repeat with some of the same brilliant minds on my cabinet as well! As they say, “if it works, don’t fix it!”

  62. Foxtrot Says:

    Rose said: What I want to know is just exactly where do you keep running off to, and who is it exactly that you’re meeting with?!

    inquiring minds want to know!



    Hi Rose, thanks for the link. I am “running off” because I sit on 5 Boards in the community and the new year brings loads of charity events that need planning and funding that needs to be allocated. It seems I am a full time “volunteer” these days! Some days I don’t know whether I am coming or going!

  63. Foxtrot Says:

    Also, if the Clintons had the “goods” on Obama they would certainly use them to make Obama pay off Hillary’s campaign debt. It isn’t happening. As they say . . . follow the money.

  64. Foxtrot Says:

    Wow! This link has one of the most succinct and formidable arguments with the citizenship issue. It is a MUST READ!

    h t t p :// zachjonesishome.wordpress.com/2009/01/05/citizenwells-new-lawsuit-get-this-to-senate-and-house/

  65. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Foxy, you are just too smart— good to see you!

  66. Foxtrot Says:

    Hi Pep! How are you feeling? Did you get to enjoy your holidays?

  67. Foxtrot Says:

    Has anyone heard anything about the “sealed” case by Berg? There is supposed to be some sort of announcement, I thought, today. I think it is the one where Berg may be challenging Obama regarding him having held office as a Senator. Linda, Lisa, and Berg have been quiet on the matter today. I am certain they are busy with the three cases they have going simultaneously, but I am going to bust if we don’t hear something about it!!!

  68. Tenacity Says:


    Real Virus – Trojan attachment BE AWARE

  69. Troy Says:

    Foxtrot Says:

    January 5, 2009 at 9:25 pm
    No jrinNC. If the Clintons had the “goods” on Obama, they would have used them in the primary to have him bow out of the race. My inside sources say they do not and did not have any goods on him. Obama is using Clinton people because it was the best economy simultaneously with taking care of most of the national debt in 40 years! The country was working, unemployment was very low, the debt was growing smaller, new businesses were cropping up everywhere, we were at peace in the world, and still respected by other countries. I would want to repeat with some of the same brilliant minds on my cabinet as well! As they say, “if it works, don’t fix it!”
    WAKE UP FOX!!!!!!…..All the time Freddy and Fanny were being forced by the administration and congress to give out bullshit loans….So the economy was collapsing and collapsing.

  70. Foxtrot Says:

    Troy, we have had 8 years of the biggest bafoon in U.S. history (I am sorry if that offends anyone here). Bush dropped the ball on virtually every aspect of his Presidency. I just got back from New Orleans two months ago and it still looks like the storm just hit, and that was how many years ago? Our reputation in the world is absolute crap. And yes, we need to care about that as there is a direct correlation between our security and our prosperity with how we are viewed by other countries. Our deficit is the largest in U.S. history. We have the highest unemployment in U.S. history. We have had 8 years of a man whose IQ barely breaks 120, and it shows. Like it or not, even Newt Gingrich makes sure he is also associated with the Clinton Administration years so he gets credit for the most prosperous time in 50 years. Gingrich is very quick to point out that he also had leadership as speaker that accounted for some of the nation’s success during that timeframe. There is a reason for that . . . times were good. People can argue back and forth about the Fanny/Freddy issue, there is enough blame to go around for both Dems and Republicans on that one! The reality is, we have had 8 years of no leadership. That is what has caused the collapse of our country and ruined our reputation around the world.

  71. jrinNC Says:

    Foxtrot Says:
    January 5, 2009 at 9:25 pm …”Obama is using Clinton people because it was the best economy simultaneously with taking care of most of the national debt in 40 years!” I agree 100%, but what I have problems in comprehending is that Clinton’s administration was to shift emphasis during his second term, declaring “the era of big government is over.” To me this is in conflict with Obama’s plans just announced to create 600,000 new government jobs. So, how can a so called previous Clinton administration support Obama’s mission?? Also, the Clinton administration reduced welfare roles – I just don’t see how Obama’s socialist tendencies will even be remotely comparable to the philosophies of former Clinton people.

  72. Foxtrot Says:

    jrinNC–I think Obama is scared sh+@tless right now! I think he finally realizes how big this job is in comparison to his experience. He is panicking. Right now I think he just wants to get some of the bigger issues resolved as quickly as possible. Bringing on the “big guns” from the Clinton Administration will allow him to hit the ground running where a new crop of people many not be able to. I think that is one of the main reasons he is taking on so many former Clinton people. I think his socialist view is put on the back burner right now, out of necessity.

  73. jrinNC Says:

    Well, Fox, I sure hope so. It does seem to me he has made an abrupt U-turn. Wonder how many of those wonderful voters out there will finally realize that Birdie is not the “Messiah” after all.

  74. Foxtrot Says:

    You are right, jrinNC, he has taken a U-turn. Given the circumstances, he really doesn’t have a choice! Look at the fear in his face when he speaks about the economy and how “things will get worse, before they get better”. It scares the crap out of me!

  75. Foxtrot Says:

    As was mentioned over and over again in the primaries . . . “now is not the time for ‘on-the-job training'”, and yet, that is exactly what has happened! UGH!!!

  76. jrinNC Says:

    Well it is scary – but I take consolation in the words from 2 Thessalonians 2 2: Not to allow your minds to be quickly unsettled or disturbed or kept excited or alarmed, whether it be by some [pretended] revelation of [the] Spirit or by word or by letter [alleged to be] from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has [already] arrived and is here. 3: Let no one deceive or beguile you in any way, for that day will not come except the apostasy comes first [unless the predicted great falling away of those who have professed to be Christians has come], and the man of lawlessness (sin) is revealed, who is the son of doom (of perdition). And I do not believe that Obama is the son of doom at this time.

  77. jrinNC Says:

    Later everyone, gotta go help lay some tile for my cousin.

  78. ladyliberty Says:

    In case it was not posted yet:
    America Betrayed

    Date: Tuesday 01/06/08
    Time: 7:00 pm PT 10:00 pm ET

    Program Location: http://www.theamericanvoice.com

    Then click on Stream #1 or #2 based on windows media player or MP3 format

    Tonight’s Guest: Phil J Berg

    I was wrong last night and I got the info from the same place – obamacrimes

  79. Tenacity Says:

    The ONLY reason that Obama and Clintons are such good bedfellows now is because they both have enough on the other to hang them. Almost every Clinton cabinet member was picked by Hill for one reason…she had enough on them to hang them and she knew she & he could control them.

  80. Tenacity Says:

    Hale is on plains trashing MommaE…playing cuts from her show, calling her a liar for saying she got a certified copy of the divorce docs from HI.

  81. Tenacity Says:

    Hale just called MommaE fat, ugly and grey-headed. Talk about the kettle calling the pot black. He even called her the B word.

  82. sliderblaze Says:

    Troy, we have had 8 years of the biggest bafoon in U.S. history (I am sorry if that offends anyone here).

    i guess you were alseep then during the clinton years i take it fox?

  83. sliderblaze Says:

    I’d like to remind Fox on the voting records of The dems vs. the repubs on issues such as energy, border security. Also to the lil snippet of clinton in his own voice saying he was offered OBL on a silver platter and didnt wanna take him. Or the vids of congress (DEMS) talking about how sound Fanny and Freddie were in 2004, and basically shooting the messenger who came to testify that they were not econimically sound

  84. sliderblaze Says:

    I wonder if anyone on Air America was talking about the fannie and freddy mess like Beck, Hannity and Rush were YEARS AGO….. somehow, i dont think so. Bush’s big mistake on that, is tauting minority home ownership at an all time high. Some of us, saw this coming years away and let me tell you


  85. Tenacity Says:

    Steve Marquis is on Plains Radio at the moment.

  86. sliderblaze Says:

    who is steve marquis anyway?

  87. sliderblaze Says:

    crap, more ice tomorrow
    guests tonight on plains
    steve marquis
    Mike ritze

  88. Foxtrot Says:

    No, I was enjoying living in the Clinton years along with millions and millions of others! It will and already has gone down in history as the most prosperous time in the last 50 years. I don’t create the news, I just report it! Like I said, even Gingrich touts that whenever he can, on the cable news networks. It is a no brainer between what is happening now and how good we had it then. We went from genius IQ to absolute imbacile. I don’t have to say anymore than that. I just lost 40% on my retirement and IRA accounts under Bush. Under Clinton, I gained 25%. Need I go on? No one can actually say Bush was a great President with a straight face. For God’s sake, his approval rating is lower than Nixon’s!!! (this is all I will say on this matter. It is so cut and dried it isn’t worth defending anymore because that would be absurd).

    Oh, and one more thing . . . ROSETTA GANG ROCKS!!!!

  89. Foxtrot Says:

    As I said in another post yesterday, Ed Hale is on par with Korir. I don’t know why anyone would give him any credence anymore. He is rude and his predictions/proof never come to light. He is always a day late and a dollar short. He is one dysfunctional guy!

  90. sliderblaze Says:

    like saying clinton kept america safe for 8 years? And im guessing you get your news from MSNBC? Funny thing about Presidents. History tells the tale, not the here and now. It is pretty cut and dry, Clinton also sold our security down the river. Also, i didnt see repubs saying fannea and freddie were doing fine….that was meeks and franks and dodds

  91. sliderblaze Says:

    Ed hale is a USEFUL idiot……however, i just learned a whole lot that i didnt know on this subjects…i dont listen to hale, i listen to his guests

  92. sliderblaze Says:

    supposidly Steve Pigeon already won a similar case in Alaska via the supreme court years ago.
    he seems to know the process very well, hope he wins this one in Washington, i think he argues this tomorrow?

  93. sliderblaze Says:

    Liberals try to discredit Team Sarah.


    by Bill Collier (1/2/09)

    Community Governance Adviser- Team Sarah

    Administrator-The Freedom Congress USA http://www.freedomist.org

    TeamSarah.org, an online community of over 63,000 who admire Sarah Palin and all she stands for, currently is experiencing an attempt at framing the whole community as guilty of unsavory racist behavior. This apparently is part of an overall attempt by the the worst elements of the progressive faction, conduct for which all liberals should be ashamed to be associated, even indirectly.

    This was started, for example at DemocracyUnderground (which brags that it intends to turn the word conservative “radioactive”) — well before that unfair and arguably defamatory piece was published in The Huffington Post, an extremist liberal website that evidently does not police its own content for accuracy. It is shocking that the HuffPo dropped any pretense of journalistic standards — like, for instance, simply calling TeamSarah and its proprietor, the Susan B. Anthony List, for a balanced picture, before running a recent attack on TeamSarah.

    Thanks go out to Kelley S who serves TeamSarah brilliantly as a guardian, going out on patrol, looking for invaders who are attempting to frame and defame the community.

    Thanks to Kelly, we now have screen shots, ID’s, and IP’s of a number of individuals who have planned an effort, and attempted to implement it, to act as agent provocateurs and discredit Team Sarah by planting racist and other unsavory material as if they were members.

    Today, January 2, people have seen weird posts from individuals who seemed overwhelmingly racist, bigoted, and in general unsavory sorts posing as Palin, and traditionalist values, supporters.

    As you well know, the Huffington Post alleged that Team Sarah was racist, bigoted, and hateful. Not so! TeamSarah strives to live up to the high standards of decency and humanity exemplified by Gov. Palin. And we do a good job of it. We moderate posts, guide members, and work intently to keep the standards of the site high. The most unsavory leftist elements are doing something weirdly similar, in cyberspace, to the arson committed against Gov. Palin’s church in Wasilla, Alaska. And trying to set us up to take the blame for their vile actions.

    We now have the evidence of what we suspected all along: the liberal extremists have been creating “sock puppets,” fake people whose sole mission is to come to TeamSarah, post horrible things, and then make copies of these posts to “prove” that we are bigots and cretins. It is the equivalent of framing the innocent, it is pure dirty tricks. And it is vile. We call upon all principled Liberals to condemns these actions. This is not the first time this has happened.

  94. sliderblaze Says:

    my email from team sarah

    Happy New Year and let’s bring you up to date.

    We caught red-handed a conspiracy at an awful site plotting to use dirty tricks to undermine Team Sarah. Their main tactic is to join and then to plant racist, scandalous, and other horrid content, or to tempt innocent members into doing so. Devilish! And then, we suspect, they plan to take their postings to a liberal blogger as “evidence.”

    In a word, a “frameup.”

    Well, Bill Collier, with a major assist from TeamSarah member Kelly S, and others, has them so *busted*! Among other things we have over 40 pages of evidence of their planning. This is *so* going to blow up in their faces, totally discrediting any liberal blogger who falls for their scheme. You can read Bill’s post on RedState about the plot here:

  95. Tenacity Says:

    How can you be so right about Hale/Korir/Obama and so wrong about the Clintons. Ask the Branch Dividians how they enjoyed the dike alcoholic Janet Reno. Ask the folks that cleaned up the graffiti out of the White House when the chaff left what they thought of the Clintons. Ask that Gonzales kid that got nabbed at gun point and shipped off to Cuba how he enjoyed Hillary’s Attorney General. Did you like the deal the Clinton’s cut with the Russian thugs to sell nuclear submarine parts to Iran? Did you believe that Vince Foster committed suicide? Ask the hundred or so people that are either dead or had to flee the country to keep breathing because of the Clintons how they enjoyed the Clinton years. Do like cigars? The Clintons disgraced the White House…both of them. They have been a tag team from day one…fully aware of the other one’s vices and equally corrupt. China…OMG! I could go on for a long time, but you are either willing to face the facts or you aren’t. If they are so good for the country, maybe you could ask them to return what they physically stole from the White House. One last question, why do you think so many foreign thugs have donated hundreds of millions of dollars to Bill’s foundation? You follow the money and it will lead to a lot of people, some on both sides of the isle, but the Clintons are thick in it. That’s why they know that Obama is as well.

  96. sliderblaze Says:

    Ten, dont forget this lil gem


    why wasnt this handled in the commission?

    also the bombing in kenya and tanz. In a letter that Albirght wrote: in it it states, “given the low priority on security” well, during the commission, you claimed that terrorism was your highest priority. Which is it?

  97. sliderblaze Says:

    note on that Youtube audio. That was after the 1993 wtc bombing!!!

  98. ladyliberty Says:

    Great info on Ed’s show tonight Slider for sure! Did you catch the website for the guy that talked about the process to contest, on Constitutional grounds, the election. It was for some kind of petition that had to be certified? He was the guy with the Oklahoma Congressmen?

  99. ladyliberty Says:

    Hey Tenacity, I would still take HillBill any day over BO!

  100. sliderblaze Says:

    i cant remember Lady

  101. ladyliberty Says:

    Got the website – http://www.axtk.com

  102. Tenacity Says:

    Thanks for the link Liberty. I was eating with the family when Dr. David came on and missed most of it.

    Well at least Hill would be constitutionally eligible. She would rip off the country as she always has, but at least our constitution would only be damaged rather than destroyed.

  103. Tenacity Says:

    Another advantage of Hill is that she has either bumped off or chased off most of those willing to investigate or rat on her. Thus, she would get away with a lot, but no one would dare challenge her and the country would never know how bad things really are. Ignorance would be bliss.

  104. Tenacity Says:

    Here is the link Re: Petition for Point of order: Barack H. Obama II is not qualified to become president.


  105. ladyliberty Says:

    Ok everyone – I know we all have our issues with Ed Hale, but if you get a chance listen to tonights show with Dr. David. You can go to Dr. David’s website (under construction and not very pretty) fo fill out your own Petition for Point of Order to send to your reps and senators. I cannot really explain how important this is, but if you listen to the show you will get the information. You will need to get the letter certified and then email, mail and fax it in.

    His website is http://www.axtk.com but a copy is also at http://www.oilforimigration.org/facts

    Maybe someone else who listened can explain why this is important. I need to go to bed.

    We are running out of time……..

  106. Tenacity Says:

    Just wanted to acknowledge your comments and youtube audio. Yep!

  107. Tenacity Says:

    I believe the guys name is David Crockett.

  108. ladyliberty Says:

    Tenacity – at least we know what we get with HillBill. There is so much unknown about BO that it scares me. I also think those voters that voted for BO would accept her more than any other candidate.

    Good night all!!! Send those letters!

  109. ladyliberty Says:

    Seriously ……. Davey Crockett? Ok – so maybe he lost a little of his credibility. 🙂

  110. Tenacity Says:

    It is a formal petition that can be submitted in force. Print it, get others to sign it and send to your local Congressmen and Senators. Petition makes it formal, can be submitted in larger numbers of constituents and is harder to ignore. It formally demands that the oath to preserve the constitution is complied with and burdens the official with a formal breach of oath of office.

  111. Tenacity Says:

    Seriously….Posted on January 6th, 2009 by David Crockett
    I wonder if he has a good black powder collection…coon skin hat?

  112. Tenacity Says:

    Freeper thread:

    This is what we need to do
    Plains ^ | 1/5/09

    Posted on Monday, January 05, 2009 7:27:26 PM by Sorry screen name in use

    Petition for Point of order: Barack H. Obama II is not qualified to become president.

    Grievance: Barry Soetoro/a.k.a. Barack Hussein Obama II is not qualified to become president, having had primary allegiances to other nations, and not providing unambiguous evidence he is a “natural born Citizen” without other allegiance, to satisfy the Constitution Article 2 Sect. 1. Prayer: By your oath to uphold the Constitution, your privilege to raise a Point of Order, by the 10th Amendment powers retained by We the People, and by the right of petition for redress of grievances, I pray that you cosign/raise an Objection/Point of Order in Congress on January 8th 2009, with a member of the other House, on the reading of each State’s electoral certificates/of the total vote for Barack Hussein Obama II, per 3 U.S.C. Ch. 1, §15, §17, §19(a) (1), and §19 (c) (1), namely:

    (Excerpt) Read more at axtk.com …

  113. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Clinton was in office at the right time,……. anyone would of been consider a good president in the era of the Computer exploding into the mainstream… It not only opened jobs but created millions. It also created a uprise in new businesses…. Bill didn’t do much of anything but except the praise that was none of his doing…..

    Bush might be considered an unpopular president.but ask yourself why?… The same media that is stonewalling anything to do with Obama also persecuted Bush in the press and media….Anything that has happened to this country in the last 8 years has automatically been Bush’s fault….

    Now i admit he made some decisions that I didn’t agree with….but on the whole he always made his decisions from the heart of his convictions. He would not let himself be cornered into doing what others tried to push him into…

    He shouldered the harshness of the media and never played a childish blame game, pointing fingers to the ones who were at fault…

    Maybe he should of, The ones in Congress have caused havoc the last few years and giggle like girls because everyone thinks it was Bush’s doing…..

    I read an article a couple of days ago,…… nothing you would see in msm because it painted a different picture of the war than what they want you to know…… Patents and children are now picnicking in the parks in Iraq every weekend.. a joy they have never expierenced….. So is the war a failure?

  114. Tenacity Says:

    Hi Cindy,
    I have supported Bush even when I have disagreed with issues on immigration, communication and budget. Now, I am seeing things that have made me question a lot of his motives. Those that have bashed him, have done so for many wrong reasons (what you said above). He has failed to fight the DC crowd with vigor. His father is way too buddy-buddy with Slick Willie. I am coming to the belief that W is more “in the tank” than I wanted to believe. I, like Slider, don’t agree with all of what Lindsey Williams had to say, but some of what he said makes the pieces of the puzzle fit. My days of trusting Bush’s intent are gone.

  115. justanamericancindy4 Says:


    I am a realist, i am not privy to the inside information that they are…. decisions i don’t agree with….I might if I knew all the facts… the oppisite is also true….
    we just try to pick the leader that has the values and concerns that we identify with and hope for the best with our decision.

    Both sides of the parties have fallen into power hungry children and fighting over all the toys and trying to change the rules…..
    What upsets me the most, they don’t even try to hide it anymore…they are upfront with their games and basically flip us the bird.

  116. sliderblaze Says:

    i like bush all the way until the bailouts…. some saw the land grab it created, coming. funny thing about free markets is, THAT IT WOULDA HAPPENED WITH OUT THE BAILOUTS!! A recession is a change to consolidate overgrowth. It happened with the dotcom bubble, it’s happening with the housing market. Everything in life has overgrowth, take forests for example, they get burnt every year in forest fires, it’s a change for consolidation. They housing market however, was manufactured overgrowth. Housing prices are suppose to incline with inflation and they were growing at an unsustainable rate. You had clowns on tv, buying houses at fair market value or just a lil bit below, adding a lil addition and some new paint and trying to sell it for 100k more, it was ridiculous. There is nothing wrong with buying a home at 70% below market, fixing it up and selling for fair, not saying that. However, what the dems did is and should be reprehensible. Even crack dealers know, you dont give crack away to crackheads on credit!!!!! Same thing goes with bad credit having people. A house is the biggest investment most people will ever make, you dont give an investment like that, to “crackheads” on credit.
    Two things that caused the economy to melt
    and it is easy to see what side of the isle was for what…..
    who created the GSE’s?
    who is against drilling and domestic energy?

  117. Tenacity Says:

    This gives a different perspective of the use of the petition. Found this on open comments at obamacrimes.com:

    written by SM Foyle, January 06, 2009

    I hope some of you are listening to Plains Radio tonight. They have a Dr. David Hagen on who has a PHD and he is informing everyone of the Point of Order ….Petition for redress that can come from not only a Senator or a Representative but also an ordinary citizen can present it to a Senator or Congressman to file on their behalf. WE CAN ALL DO THIS AND STOP OBAMA!!!! He says we can do it all up until March if it takes that long. He says the 20th Amendment in the Constitution gives us that right and everyone needs to visit this amendment. Also…go to his Website http://www.axtk.com to print out your very own copy of the Point of order paperwork. Do it now and get it to your Senator and Congressman before Thursday if possible. This is an unbelievable revelation and Obama will be required to show his documents because the burden of proof is now on him!!! Found out all of this on the Plains Radio Show tonight!

    I guess Crockett is not the same David as Dr. Hagen. Crockett is the one that posted the petition on the website. Hagen is the one that was on Plains Radio.

  118. sliderblaze Says:

    is pigeon in court tomorrow?

  119. Tenacity Says:

    No doubt. I am a real estate expert and saw much of this coming…I just had no idea to what extent and how it would impact markets where there was very little bubble. The question now is, will it ever return to anything close to normal? The answer would be yes, except now we may be looking at socialism and no one really knows how that will shake out. What if we really do have a revolution, which is now being talked about openly on the web? I can tell you that I am ready to secede from the left coast and northeast blue zones. I just wish we could cut out the Cities of Denver & Boulder and move them to one coast or the other. Metro Denver subs are mostly red like the rest of the State. This is the first time since I moved to Colorado in ’78 that the state went blue. Made me sick. The suburb county I live in is a red stronghold, thank God.

  120. j.b. Says:

    HEY FOXTROT! NEWFLASH! Hurricane Katrina was NOT President Bush’s fault or doing!

    The warnings were there-for years. The Chocolate Mayor and his lazy assed (many whom were very fat, which might seem harsh or irrelevent, but it simply added to their laziness) constituents ignored the warnings.
    It was the Chocolate Mayors responsibility to get his people out! Not Bush’s. Sure, once the damage was done, nobody could get there fast enough. Guess what? That’s what happens in a natural disaster. It’s a hurricane. That ‘s why EVERYONE was told to GET OUT! Would you have stayed? No. Would I? No.

    I have tip toed around the Clinton factor here for one reason-out of respect for you. Besides the fact that they aren’t really relevant here most of the time except lately, with all the retreads showing up on Barry’s to do list…..it is almost impossible to not talk about them.

    Anyway, The Clintons are PIGS. Narcissistic, twisted,thieving PIGS. Always have been, always will be.

    Oh, and like Ten said, follow the $.

    Now, I’m going to bed as I have to get up early to go buy Ann Coulter’s new book about how the liberal Democrats live (and love)to play victims! Or something like that.

    Ahem, no offense.

  121. Tenacity Says:

    I don’t recall whether Pidgeon argues tomorrow or not.

  122. sliderblaze Says:

    Ten, me too, we voted mccain bye 62%

    one thing that isnt talked about much is, when you look at the states that border Mexico, they are blue. I’d like to see ballot initiatives in 2010 on drilling and on boarder security.

  123. Tenacity Says:

    ‘night j.b. and Slider…I’m down for the count.

  124. sliderblaze Says:

    j.b. Says:
    January 6, 2009 at 6:59 am

    HEY FOXTROT! NEWFLASH! Hurricane Katrina was NOT President Bush’s fault or doing!
    it took 5 days for rescuers to get to SC coast during Hugo
    it took 5 days for the rescuers to the coast in La.

    One i guess forgets about La being under democratic rule for 60yrs. This is a big example of relying on ones self. I remember Shep Smith on fox asking people why they are staying and the guy said Fuck you, right on the air. And that was the mentality there, you cant fix stupid. Not to mention all the buses, unused, swamped. i wonder why texas never has a problem with a major hurricane? How about that bridge to nowhere that they voted on, when they had the change to send it to victims and the rebuild of katrina, i wonder how senators voted on that one?

  125. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    LA governor has a lot of blame for the delay,……she royalty dropped the ball in the chain of protical…..federal could not step in until she sent up the white flag and declared a state of emergency. Bush’s hands were tied….. After Katrina that protocol no longer exist….

    Their Mayor was a joke….. I remember watching while him and his big shot guests were helicoptered out of the city……

    many,.. many funds were sent to LA,…. but other disasters (way more than normal) has strapped Fema and Red Cross….since that time.

  126. sliderblaze Says:

    Hi, Copies these off http://www.obamacrimes.com a short while ago. Interesting concerning the suit with the 60 day seal. written by Linda Starr, January 05, 2009

    PS: if he showed that so called legal document to run for the Illinois State or US Senate, then he has some explaining to do, since it was allegedly not printed until June 7, 2007. So, he clearly never proved his citizenship to run for the Illinois State , or US Senate either.

    Touché’! And let me just tell you, if he can’t prove he was a US citizen when he was the Illinois State Senator, or the Us Senator, he can go to jail and pay huge fines and damages. Quo Tam fits the description of Phil’s action that has been under seal. And in that suit, it isn’t up to Phil to prove he wasn’t fraudulently collecting money from the government taxpayers for a seat he wasn’t eligible to hold. He has to prove he WAS ELIGIBLE to stay out of jail. Checkmate! Your boy is going to jail if he refuses to prove he was eligible to serve.

    PS that is the importance of this secret suit.
    written by Linda Starr, January 05, 2009

    Barry goes to jail if he can’t prove he was eligible. It’s fraud. He is between a rock and a hard place. it isn’t just repaying his pay checks all these years, and for expenses, etc. He isn’t entitled to anything if he wasn’t eligible. Those numbers go up really fast when you start adding in expense account write-offs. And if he wasn’t eligible to serve, then all those expenses he claimed for holding the office are null and void. That means he’s got bigger problems than you have any idea. He fraudulently and falsely claimed the profit on the purchase of his home as a Capitol Gains instead of as income, which is at a MUCH higher rate and then we have the penalties and interest on filing fraudulent and false income tax returns, not to mention filing fraudulent expenses.
    Can we say “Oops!”?

    written by Linda Starr, January 05, 2009

    Because his mother registered his foreign birth in Hawaii to give him US citizenship, either not knowing she was too young to confer citizenship, or having lied about it – it is still fruit off the poisoned tree. It doesn’t make him a citizen if his birth registry was done fraudulently or erroneously.

    At any rate, we do know the COLB was forged, so that eliminates his birth in Hawaii . He was a foreign birth registry. The original says he was a foreign birth in Kenya . You’ll see.

    seems like some have high hopes on this ‘sealed’ lawsuit…..heres hoping

  127. sliderblaze Says:

    oh, that was off Dr Orly’s site

  128. susiezen Says:

    I think its utterly hopeless wishing obama out of the whitehouse. its over for us, we have to watch in sickness, this criminal being sworn in.
    hes so far in by the popular vote that theres no turning back. every legitimate lead we had on obama is being swept under the white house oriental carpet, never to be tried within the context of the law. the demorats won, just look and see what that dreadful man , Al Frankin did. he stole that senate seat, everyone knows it, nobody is doing anything about it….or if we try too, it gets shot down by a liberal judge…..begs for me to pull my hair out because were are getting bamboozled

  129. Foxtrot Says:

    Slider — Kathrina was a “national disaster”, not “local”–it wasn’t just LA! As with every disaster of this magnitude, the Federal government is supposed to step in to assist. I find it funny that we could send troops into Thailand after their sunami in 3 days and we couldn’t get any troops or guard into LA in that timeframe. Have you been there Slider??? Well I have and it is a national embarrassment that it is still so devastated after such a long time. There is no excuse for it! If you bothered to read the headlines of newspapers around the world after Kathrina hit, people from across the globe were wondering why we are considered a super power if we couldn’t even take care of “our own” after a natural disaster. Many other foreign papers are still covering the devastation down there because it is still unspeakable that it is left the way it is. The handling of the funding/housing, etc was also absolute mayhem and one of the biggest debacles in our history. There is no way this can be sugar-coated! You can make excuses all you want, but even two of Bush’s closest aides at the time say the single biggest blunder for Bush was Kathrina. My Aunt lives down there and she said it was “mob rule”. People were left to die in the streets, no food, no water, little shelter. What you didn’t hear was how many people died on their rooftops because no one came to rescue them! I can’t even believe anyone would try to justify what his own team is saying will go down in history as the biggest black mark on Bush’s record–not going into Iraq when they had nothing to do with 9/11–but the lack of handling for Kathrina. You will find very few people who will defend Bush on this argument. You will be very lonely in that corner, I’m afraid.

  130. Foxtrot Says:

    Suziezen — you cannot give up now. There are so many strong possibilities coming up that could derail Obama! You can bet he is as nervous as a cat right now. Just keep positive. Even if, by some chance, he is sworn in, that doesn’t mean he will be there for long. I am very hopeful this will all play out the way we want it to . . . the way it is supposed to, according to the Constitution!

  131. Foxtrot Says:

    j.b. — “The warnings were there-for years. The Chocolate Mayor and his . . .”

    This statement was rather racist, j.b. and beneath you. You are much better than that.

    Yes, the Mayor was a nincompoop, however, you are wrong about him not asking the ARmy Corp of Engineers to come and check the levees and do something about many of them. He was like “chicken little” for a long while with the Feds about the levees. He even told them, and it was quoted in the paper, something to the affect of (if you don’t fix these two levees, when the next big storm hits, it will devastate New Orleans). He was right. There WERE many warnings, on record, by both state and local politicians to the Feds that went unanswered. My Aunt said it was almost a monthly story on the news for several years down there!

  132. Foxtrot Says:

    JAC- I didn’t say the war is a failure. However, do we invade countries. countries like Iraq, on trumped up charges, in HOPES it will turn out okay? It was the first time in U.S. history that we put our forces in harms way for a “pre-emptive war”. It is one thing to go in when we have solid proof and can justify why we are there as it relates to our citizenry, however, the world now knows that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, and it did not have weapons of mass destruction–both of the arguments Bush shoved down our throats as justification for going in. Are you forgetting that? Are you also forgetting that Bush promised the war would only take 18 months and the entire thing would be funded by the oil in Iraq? Again, another set of promises from Bush that did not come to fruition! If we invade every country with a horrible leader/dictator, we would be at war with half the world right now! It is simply ludacrous! Since it was done, of course, I am happy the people of Iraq may get their lives back and have some sort of Democracy, but I don’t want America to be known as the world’s bully by randomly invading countries where we have no personal justification. It is ridiculous to think otherwise–we would be at war all the time if this was the criteria we used to go to war.

  133. Foxtrot Says:

    Rose – I think we need another thread here soon! Also, did you hear any more about the “sealed” case from Starr and Berg? Perhaps that information should be the heading of the next thread?!?! I would love to know the details.

  134. Foxtrot Says:

    Did you all know that Obama is having NINE Inaugural balls/parties?!?!? Holy Moley, batman! How much is that going to cost us???

  135. hockeyfan530 Says:

    as sad is it seems i think the fact that the Globe is covering barry’s ineligibility story is only helpful for the cause. Granted, it’s a tabloid, but didn’t the national enquirer uncover the edwards affair? Any publicity is good publicity. Plus, maybe they will send out some of their own investigators to find more dirt.

    It may be the globe but I’m still getting over how Barry is able to get away with lying about EVERYTHING he’s asked about…He gets caught lying and it’s just ignored!!!

  136. rosettasister Says:

    Good morning, America! How are you?!

    New Thread:


  137. thinkingmom11 Says:

    OK I am jumping into the Katrina fray. From what I recollect, Bush was begging the LA governor to declare a state of emergency so he could get the FEMA ball rolling – to no avail. By the time the asked the hurricane had already hit. Then when FEMA tried to roll in, they were getting shot at. Sending money into New Orleans is like sending it to Africa because the people who need it never see it because of the corrupt politicians. No other area hit by that hurricane is still experiencing the kinds of troubles NO still is and it comes down to leadership and character of the populace. I grew up in Texas just outside of Houston so I know about hurricanes and such. We never sat around and waited for someone else to help out. If trees went down, you got your chain saw out and cut it up for yourself and your neighbors if they needed it. I remember having our power out for almost a week and we had our generator out in the driveway and the four neighbors closest to us ran extension cords from thier refrigerators and freezers to save the food. If someone needed a place to sleep, you didn’t have to leave the state, you could go to a neighbor or a church.

    There was a lack of leadership after Katrina and it started at the local level. Unfortunately, the buck stopped at the Presidents desk, however unfair that may have been. I cannot think of another presidency that has been so plagued by circumstances beyond their control and by exteremly difficult foreign policy situatuations. You think someone could cut the man a break. I mean, really, 9/11, Afganistan, Iraq, Iran, N. Korea (who is dismantling their nuclear weapon facilities if anyone noticed), Pakistan, katrina, Rita, Hugo (Chavez, that is), a slouching economy, energy price crisis, and last but not least a more hostile media in his own country than even abroad. Think about it in perspective and you realize the man had a very difficult row to hoe. It is no wonder he looks like he has aged 30 years in the last 8. God bless GWB and I hope he gets some peace in Texas soon.

  138. sliderblaze Says:

    FOX, lets look at facts,
    fact, yes the BIGGEST natural disaster, and still took as much time to get there as it did HUGO
    fact, people were told to leave or get to a shelter, they didnt, YOU CANT FIX STUPID!!!! dont tell me people couldnt get there, they sure as hell did after the hurricane hit now didnt they, thru chest deep water i might add.
    fact, the state at that time, had to ask for help, since they are the ones on they ground with first responders, they didnt, they suffered, mary was voted outta office
    fact, every one new this thing was gonna be bad, except for the retards who stayed behind
    fact, mayor nagin is an idiot, he was suppose to evac the city, but since he wanted to prove what a big man he was, seem to drop the ball on the evac.
    fact, they told people you are on your own if you dont leave


  139. sliderblaze Says:

    My Aunt said it was almost a monthly story on the news for several years down there!

    under dem rule for 60 yrs. i’m sure if it was under repub rule, you’d point that out. Only thing Bush did wrong, not tell the Gov to go f herself and step in, but, that woulda broken the law and trampled on states rights,,,,,,jesus you people want it both was all the time.

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