“FACTBOX — Israel’s main goals in Gaza offensive”



Israeli author Amos Oz told Corriere della Sera that “Hamas is responsible” for the outbreak of violence, but “the time has come to seek a cease-fire.” He called for a “complete cease-fire, in which they don’t fire at us, in exchange for us easing the blockade of the Gaza Strip.”


JERUSALEM, Jan 4 (Reuters) – Israel has set several goals for its military offensive in the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip.

Government officials, speaking to Reuters on condition of anonymity, said they were:

– To weaken Hamas substantially by killing its fighters and destroying its rocket stockpile. Israel says it has already dealt a major blow to Hamas on both counts.

– To establish Israeli deterrence so that Hamas will be more wary of firing cross-border rockets again. Hamas has so far sounded defiant, saying the fighting with Israel had only begun.

– To win international backing for new security arrangements along the Egyptian-Gaza border to prevent Hamas from rearming. Israel has been bombing smuggling tunnels.

European powers have proposed deploying international monitors that could man the Rafah border crossing, if it is reopened. Israeli officials have suggested building an underground wall on the Egyptian side of the border, possibly with U.S. help.

– While cool to the idea of a formal ceasefire that could bind Israel’s hands and provide Hamas with a measure of legitimacy, Israel wants to restore calm through “understandings”, reached through a third party, under which both sides would hold their fire.

Such understandings might give Israel more leeway for future military action against Hamas if rocket fire resumes.

(Reporting by Adam Entous; Editing by Dominic Evans)

From AssociatedPress

The United States has blocked approval of a U.N. Security Council statement calling for an immediate cease-fire in the Gaza Strip and southern Israel. Meanwhile thousands of Israeli troops are engaged in a major ground offensive in Gaza. (Jan. 4)

Phil Berg Barack Obama Ron Polarik Jeff Schreiber

94 Responses to ““FACTBOX — Israel’s main goals in Gaza offensive””

  1. j.b. Says:


  2. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    hello………. lol and 2nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd

  3. j.b. Says:

    and apparently, “only”heh.

    I read that (long a$$) article from the Christian site. (can’t recall the name) Interesting enough.
    Funny the ONE thing that stands out to me right now, is the wedding invitation that was sent to Stan but returned because the address was not correct. It reminds me of the recent challenge made about whether or not Barry and his mom ever resided at the supposed apt. in Hawaii.
    I also noted many of the errors that have since been revealed but I find no fault in that the article was written some time ago.

    I do know that this backstory of Barry’s is The most f’d up and dysfunctional ones I have ever heard. He needs intensive therapy to deal with his identity crisis and issues of abandonment for starters.
    But instead, geegolly, lucky for US-he has been elected to run the free world. /sarcasm.

    I still can’t believe this has been allowed to happen……………and continues.

    Phillip Berg for Preznint.

  4. rosettasister Says:

    I realize most aren’t as “obsessed” with what is happening in the Middle East as I am.

    But I wanted to repost the two following links for those who do have an interest.

    the IDF channel


    launched on December 29, shows constantly updated video footage

    The Israeli consulate in New York on Twitter.


  5. rosettasister Says:

    “In Gaza, the real enemy is Iran”

    From HughHewitt:


    Yossi Klein Halevi and Michael B. Oren write in today’s Los Angeles Times on Israel’s “unique chance to deal a strategic blow to Iranian expansionsim.”


    Removing Iran’s influence from Gaza would allow genuine negotiations between Israel and the PLA to proceed, and for Gaza to be reincorporated within the Palestinian polity.

    Hamas will never agree to a lasting peace with Israel, no matter the terms. Any commentary that does not proceed from that understanding is worthless.

    There’s no guarantee that the PLA can reform itself into a responsible partner with Israel in establishing a long-term solution for the region, but there is no practical probability that Hamas ever will.

  6. j.b. Says:

    You’re right, Rose. I, for one, am not obsessed with the goings on. I do, however, respect anyone who is. (this is your blog afterall) I personally cannot emotionally shoulder it right now, to be honest. So much of what I hear is slanted. The lies that have been perpetuated and the protests in New York, etc., spreading propaganda makes me kinda sick. And scared.
    What will Barry do?
    *hopefully nothing, as he will not be inaugurated, right?*

    Geez, I sound pathetic………………so be it.

  7. ladyliberty Says:

    I am concerned for the future of Israel and stability in the Middle East Rose and I appreciate your posts. Like j.b., I can’t “emotionally shoulder” this right now either. The possible swearing in of BO is bad enough, and 4 years of him here scare me enough. I can’t even imagine what his years in the Oval Office will bring to Israel.

    I do peek at the articles every now and then, so keep them coming. Hopefully after the next week or two we will be able to shift our focus to these very important developments in the ME.

  8. rosettasister Says:

    j.b. Says:
    January 4, 2009 at 6:17 pm

    Geez, I sound pathetic………………so be it.


    No, not pathetic.

    But you did make me laugh!



  9. rosettasister Says:

    This is pdf file Berg posted that ladyliberty posted on previous thread:

    01/03/2009: PRESS RELEASE New Issue of GLOBE Magazine Highlights Berg vs. Obama U.S. Supreme Court Case and you can Vote if “natural born” or not.


  10. Tenacity Says:

    From a comment at ObamaCrimes.com

    written by William, January 04, 2009
    ‘Treason’ is a word with lots of emotional baggage and needs to be nailed down for its reasonable meaning. My dictionary gives the following:

    “…violation of the allegiance owed to one’s sovereign or state; betrayal of one’s country, specif., in the U.S. (as declared in the Constitution), consisting only in levying war against the U.S. or in giving aid and comfort to its enemies.”

    And, in a democratic republic, the electorate is the highest official of state. Violation of the voters by the government is treason against their rulers, the people.

    I would put in that category those Supreme Court justices and other politicians who have knowingly subverted our Constitutional order over the last 150 years. I would apply it also to educators who have subverted the pa*sing on of truth (education) to control the people rather than to set them free, most especially to those extreme Muslim leaders preaching to the death of Americans, located right here in the U.S., our Schools, Colleges and Communities. This is not free speech, it is treason.

    From the Roman republic … in the last stages of demise into tyranny:

    “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly. But the traitor moves among those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears no traitor; he speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their garments, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation; he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city; he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared.” —

    Cicero, 1st Century BC

    Sounds like Barry to me..

    This is what the left has been blatantly doing and the right has done absolutely nothing to stop. The right has eroded the constitution on its own. There are few that deserve to stay in DC. There are many that deserve prosecution. The change we need is a 95% overhaul of all 3 governmental branches with patriots that have a higher level of integrity and courage. Yes, I question their patriotism. Every one of the Congress & Senate that fails to stand up on January the 8th to challenge that the Constitutional requirements (NBC) have been met/proven deserves to have their patriotism questioned.

  11. jrh Says:

    Linda Starr has been rather vocal today. I’m not sure if I should post that much stuff. I’ve copied most of it and can post if anyone’s interested.

  12. ladyliberty Says:

    Uh Oh!

    Richardson to withdraw as Commerce secretary
    New Mexico governor cites pending investigation of business dealings


  13. j.b. Says:

    No, not pathetic.

    But you did make me laugh!



    I do what I can, Rose, I do what I can……….:)

  14. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    lol you beat me to the post ladyliberty……

    I think he got thrown under the bus by BO

  15. j.b. Says:

    You’re right, Tenacity. I did read Reagans’ words, btw. He certainly had a way with them, didn’t he?

    jrh, Yes! Please post from Obamacrimes! I am not the only one here who finds that site a bit “maze” like. 🙂

    Lady, “Uh Oh”, is right. I wonder if this isn’t just punishment for his short, “He’s an Immigrant” youtuber?

    The unraveling has begun.

    While I have said I agree that most of the politicians in DC need to be sent to an island or better yet, Gitmo-I firmly believe the ultimate responsibility lies with the Demothugs whom DID NOT VET THEIR OWN (girly)MAN!
    Sh!T-for all we know 65 repubs could have said something-we know the MEDIA would NOT have reported it!

  16. j.b. Says:

    Cindy! Again!?!

    *great mimes and all……….*

  17. jrh Says:

    Ok j.b., hope I don’t choke the thread.

    written by Linda Starr, January 04, 2009

    If you will recall, I said today’s date is a deadline. Philadelphia Roof Dcotor is right with his explanation. Since today is Sunday as he said (I didn’t realize it), it will naturally fall until tomorrow since the courts are closed today. It means Phil will now have the right to pursue the sealed case on his own without having to wait for the DOJ to do something. Having been a Deputy AG for PA, it means he knows how to proceed with this case as a criminal prosecution. Not all lawyers know enough about criminal prosecutions as a former prosecutor would to proceed competently. Today’s date means a lot of things that I really shouldn’t talk about, but I can tell you it frees Phil up to take action. That is what makes today’s deadline so important.

    And FYI, the clerk in DC where this case is filed and the military case is filed, is Black and has done everything possible in her capacity as court clerk to prevent Phil from filing these suits – including refusing to accept them. Lisa had to get the head guy to get these cases filed because the clerk was so obstinate and refusing to cooperate. Like I keep telling you, this has become a racial issue because the Blacks in this country made it one.
    These people don’t care that he’s not a legal citizen. They just want a Black as President and don’t care if in getting Barry into office, it destroys the Constitution and/or our country.

    Doc Rick, better go back to work so you will still have a job. I hope this clerk loses hers. She has no business working there if she is going to try to pick and choose what cases are allowed to be filed there legitimately. What is this country coming to?

    Have patience. You all KNOW I LOVE to keep you updated on anything I am allowed to reveal without jeopardizing these cases. And now I want to say something about evidence. Remember how I once said that there have been backdoor ways to get some evidence, that were not exactly proper, but certainly not illegal? People have helped us with learning things that others are desperate to not have known. For example, people in Kenya who have helped us could lose their lives if their role in certain events were made known. The Bishop in Kenya who helped Phil with getting the interview of Granny Sarah Obama had to flee the country with his wife and four children because allegedly Odinga sent a death squad after this man. Phil had to arrange for them to hide in a US Emba*sy in another country until he could get them out of Africa. That was one of our backdoor ways to get that interview information out of Kenya. Other people in Kenya have also helped us, but we have to be sure they are not jeopardized either by revealing certain informaiton. I can tell you we are sure Barry was born in Kenya, not Hawaii. Information, or in this one case no information, is much easier to get on a deceased person. No healthcare facility can provide information with a million court orders, if it doesn’t exist in the first place.

    We know so many things. For example, we knew about the Obama divorce because Lisa had obtained a copy long ago. It wasn’t posted because it served no useful purpose. For what possible reason does it help this case for Barry’s daughters to learn their grandparent’s divorce was based on grievious mental suffering? I told you we were sure Frank Marshall Davis wasn’t named on the birth certificate. You have to learn to trust us. Some things serve no good purpose to reveal other than to hurt people needlessly, children who bear no guilt in any of this mess. That is why we were so amazed when false claims were made that Barry’s parent’s divorce record stated he was born in Africa or Kenya. We knew that wasn’t true. Now the document that was posted is allegedly shy of four pages to hide certain information. That is not at all true, which is why Phil & Lisa decided to post it so people would know the truth. We will not sit silent while people are scammed out of hard earned money and not do something to educate people when a scam is taking place. The truth does not change on a whim.

    Does that help you feel easier? All will be revealed at the proper time. It is Phil’s and Lisa’s call, not mine. I would not do a thing to subvert the progress of this case in any way. You’ll just have to trust Phil and Lisa are doing the right thing.

    Another one:

    written by Linda Starr, January 04, 2009

    Yes, if he is allowed to take office, he will undoubtedly “cla*sify” everything pertaining to his private life. Once cla*sified, they can still be obtaiend by court order, but are almost impossible to get and make public. The Democrats are going to be in deep do do once the whole truth comes out.

    Bush did that with all his TNG records to prevent the country finding out the commanding officer filed a fraudulent sworn affidavit to the court in the AP suit that all records from his microfiche had been supplied. We know for a fact that isn’t true because Bill had documents that were never turned over to the court as they claimed right out of the original records at Camp Mabry.

    All of which is another reason why we don’t want anyone to know what we have on Barry already. If the court orders them to turn over certain records, and they claim the records don’t exist, we can prove he is lying and impeach his testimony. These cases will eventually become criminal in nature and we have to protect the integrity of the cases to insure they will become criminal. It will also show willfull intent to Obstruct Justice, Conspiracy to Obstruct Justice, Forgery and Contempt for disobeying court orders. I would imagine, the fact that officials in government in Hawaii are not preventing these crimes from occurring, by exposing the truth about the birth certificte, can be used to support prosecution of each of them for Conspiracy to Obstruct Justice and Conspiracy to Commit (ma*sive) Fraud. Anyone who knows the truth and does not stop these ongoing crimes may face prosecution. While revealing the truth in the records is against the law in Hawaii, it is also a much more serious crime to aid and abet in covering up a crime in federal cases. It just depends how mad the Attorney General will become once the public learns about these officials roles in hiding these crimes. I wouldn’t want to be any official in Hawaii who knows the truth and hides it for Barry. Not in this lifetime. Even if they escape criminal prosecution, they will lose everything they own when the public files cla*s actions against all participants and sues them.

    EVERYONE who helped hide these crimes by Barry will be at risk.

  18. Tenacity Says:

    The aggrevating part about ObamaCrimes.com is your inability to refresh without having to return to the top of the article which is outside the comment page. They don’t differentiate the URL for each page. Weird

  19. jrh Says:

    Tenacity, I quit going there for that reason until I found out that you can right click (at least on IE) and select refresh and not have that problem. They still need to put times on the posts and it’s funky when they open a new page. At least this trick makes it somewhat tolerable.

  20. j.b. Says:

    Thanks, jrh! That’s good to know.

    Philliip Berg, ESQ., for Preznint.

  21. rosettasister Says:





    The benefits Obama gains from stonewalling compared to the price he has to pay for complete disclosure makes the choice to refuse to speak about where he was born and to produce his original birth certificate most attractive for Obama.

    The stakes are high in this game for the Office of President. Obama has shown that he has the arrogance and audacity to play the game any which way he wants simply to win that Office and greatly profit thereby.

    The question for many concerned Americans who doubt whether he is eligible to be President is what they can do to get the nation’s political, legal, and social institutions to adequately and honestly investigate and decide whether he is indeed qualified to be President.

    Obama’s strategy is now preventing these Americans from learning the truth about whether he is eligible to be President.

    The ball is in the court of those who challenge Him.

    © Mario Apuzzo, Esq.

    Jamesburg, New Jersey

  22. ladyliberty Says:

    thanks for the info jrh!

    FYI – Berg will be on Plains Radio tonight from 6-8 during the Wiley Drake Show.

  23. Katie Says:

    Wow – has life changed! Just heard a blurb about Richardson backing out and my first thought was to check the blogs, NOT FOX News. Times are different!

    Anybody know how to post on Obamacrimes blog or contact Linda Starr by email? Dr. Orly is looking for info. on someone named Allison Davis and I posted on her site that Linda Starr recently had it out and banned an Allison for threatening messages. Now Dr. Orly wants to contact Linda Starr, and I cannot get the link to work to let me create an account so I can post directly. If anyone can, let me know and I’ll add more info. to pass along to both of them. Thanks!

  24. rosettasister Says:

    Polarik Comments at Free Republic (Part 1 of 3)

    To: Polarik; LucyT; STARWISE; Calpernia; pissant; Fred Nerks; Kevmo; Gemsbok; FARS
    Polarik’s Principle:” A forgery created to prove a claim will repudiate that claim”


    111 posted on Sunday, January 04, 2009 9:52:12 AM by PhilDragoo

    To: PhilDragoo
    Thanks, Phil, for addding the Polarik Principle
    . Y’know, I never get tired of looking at that graphic!

    116 posted on Sunday, January 04, 2009 10:38:14 AM by Polarik

    To: bronxboy
    The reason anchor babies are a problem is because they are citizens. You wrap yourself in the constitution and twist it to serve your purposes. Well, I don’t think your interpretation would serve this nation well, and I think you are wrong. Insults will not make what you say true.
    To things that Lefties cannot seem to fathom: one, the difference between Palestinian terrorism and Israel’s efforts to stop it, and two, why a President has to be a natural-born US citizen, and not just a plain, old citizen. You can be a Senator or a Representative if you’re not a natural-born citizen, but you cannot become the President.

    117 posted on Sunday, January 04, 2009 10:43:05 AM by Polarik

    To: Polarik
    After the House certifies the Electoral vote on Jan 8, every single American citizen will now have standing and can bring a civil suit against Obama and/or the DNC.
    They should, we all should. Could a team of lawyers be hired to represent hundreds of thousands of Americans demanding he prove his eligibility?

    95 posted on Saturday, January 03, 2009 11:09:19 PM by mojitojoe

    To: mojitojoe
    They should, we all should. Could a team of lawyers be hired to represent hundreds of thousands of Americans demanding he prove his eligibility? Absolutely! I have the lawyers in mind, too. We have to be able to show tangible harm done to us as citizens, and not just hypothetical harm. I think that we could make the case for being placed directly at-risk by a person who has shown contempt for the Constitution, who would adversely affect our Constitutional rights, who was responsible for the housing crisis and bank crisis and would worsen the economy even more with dire consequences to us, who may have been born in a foreign country hostile to the US and who may be an illegal alien, who was raised in a country hostile to the US, who has been given all of America’s secrets and would gain access to America’s armed forces and their nukes, who has active ties to subversive anti-American groups and individuals, who intends on conscripting young people into a n unconstitutional “mandatory work force,” who has disenfranchised voters by perpetrating document fraud and voter fraud to get elected, and who has zero credibility to serve as our nation’s leader at home, and to represent our nation in any international capacity.
    Or, something to that effect.

    119 posted on Sunday, January 04, 2009 11:11:43 AM by Polarik

  25. jrh Says:

    Katie, sorry I’m just an obamacrimes drive-by lurker. Never tried to post there, but I do remember seeing an Allison among the trolls I recall.

  26. rosettasister Says:

    Part 2 of 3

    To: Polarik
    Barak Obama has been declared eligible to be president. None of this natural born nonsense will change this. No court including SCOTUS will change anything. It has been established law for many years that if a child is born here , he is a US citizen and could become president. The natural born crap has to do with the early years when many Americans were born in Britain or in British occupied American. You would be better served to work on 2010 than continue these tortured, useless arguments.

    118 posted on Sunday, January 04, 2009 10:47:05 AM by bronxboy

    To: bronxboy
    Barak Obama has been declared eligible to be president In your dreams, maybe. He has not been declared eligible by any stretch of the imagination, and he has already proven that he is not a natural-born citizen.
    There is no proof that he was born here.
    His father, a British subject, was not born here, and Obama acquired British citizenship at birth.
    His mother was ineligible to pass along her US citizenship to Obama at birth, if she, in fact had US citizenship, but
    There is no proof that his mother was a US citizen at the time of his birth, either.
    The only evidence he has provided in support of his claim to be a US citizen and natural-born is a forged identification document.
    The “natural-born” crap, as you derisively call it, is called the Constitution: it is the Law of the Land and the President must swear an Oath to protect, preserve, and to defend it.
    Anyone who violates this Oath is a traitor.
    Anyone who seeks to destroy the Constitution is a traitor.
    Anyone who seeks to subvert or weaken the Constitution is a traitor.
    You would be better served to learn about the Constitution and US History then to continue making these bogus, irrelevant arguments.

    121 posted on Sunday, January 04, 2009 11:32:10 AM by Polarik

  27. rosettasister Says:

    Part 3 of 3

    To: Puzo1
    Welcome to Free Republic.
    Question: Do you think the SC will hear the Berg case? Or Dr. Keyes? Or will this go nowhere?

    4 posted on Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:06:13 PM by Responsibility2nd

    To: Responsibility2nd
    SCOTUS Calendar:
    Jan 9. Conference on Berg’s writ of certiori
    Jan 16: Conference on Berg’s injunction to stay the certification of Obama as President until Obama proves his Constitutional eligibility.

    122 posted on Sunday, January 04, 2009 11:37:31 AM by Polarik

    To: Coachm
    Do you believe it possible that he can be forced to show the actual birth certificate prior to Jan 20?

    123 posted on Sunday, January 04, 2009 11:38:15 AM by Polarik

    To: quintr
    I do not understand why each and every taxpayer/voter in the United States is denied “standing” by the Supreme Court
    We did not have standing because Obama was not officially elected as President. By Friday, everyone will have standing.

    124 posted on Sunday, January 04, 2009 11:40:08 AM by Polarik

    To: Born In America
    I suspect there are bigger players who are calling the shots.
    There are and they are called, “Democrats.” The term, “working across the aisle,” is a euphemism for kissing butt. With both Houses of Congress in control of the Democrats, the Republicans have to play nice, or go into time-out until 2010.

    125 posted on Sunday, January 04, 2009 11:45:23 AM by Polarik

  28. KAY Says:


  29. ladyliberty Says:

    Katie – try going to Linda Starr’s Blog at http://lgstarr.blogspot.com/

  30. ladyliberty Says:

    I can’t find contact info, but maybe you can post to one of her articles.

  31. rosettasister Says:

    Katie Says:
    January 4, 2009 at 7:51 pm

    Anybody know how to post on Obamacrimes blog or contact Linda Starr by email? Dr. Orly is looking for info. on someone named Allison Davis and I posted on her site that Linda Starr recently had it out and banned an Allison for threatening messages. Now Dr. Orly wants to contact Linda Starr, and I cannot get the link to work to let me create an account so I can post directly. If anyone can, let me know and I’ll add more info. to pass along to both of them. Thanks!



    if you want, I don’t mind asking Linda Starr to contact you.

    Would that be helpful?


  32. Katie Says:

    Rose – if you can just pass this info. along to Linda directly from Dr. Orly’s blog, that would be GREAT!

    Dr. Orly wrote:

    More questions
    Is there any relation between Allison Davis (Obama’s former boss at Davis and Miner and Rezko’s partner) and Frank Marshall Davis, that used to live in Chicago and was BO’s mentor? Maybe it’s just a common name, no relation, I don’t know.

    I replied: “Might just be a coincidence, but Linda Starr has written on the ObamaCrimes blog that they have banned an “Allison” for threatening posts to them and other bloggers. Might want to touch base with them to see if they can get you any info. on Allison.

    Dr. Orly replied: orly replies:Today, 8:44:44 AM MST
    “can you get me in touch with her? what is her phone or e-mail address? you can e-mail me at dr_taitz@yahoo.com please write re to Linda Starr

  33. rosettasister Says:

    Katie Says:
    January 4, 2009 at 8:12 pm


    okay, Katie, I emailed Linda Starr and asked her to email Dr Orly re this Allison person.

    Hope I did that right.

    And I hope Linda is not as bad as I am about checking her inbox!


  34. j.b. Says:

    KAY Says:

    January 4, 2009 at 7:59 pm


    Weird. I think that might (must) be another Michelle Robinson.
    Her license is currently valid. But what the heck do I know about these things? Nothin’, that’s what.

  35. Katie Says:

    Thanks, Rose!

  36. amy Says:

    I just heard some realy good news about a couple of obots.. They are NOW former obots.. They have totally changed their minds about Obama.. I believe this is happening everywhere from the looks of that AOL poll..

  37. Katie Says:

    And thanks to ladyliberty. I hadn’t thought of that route. You guys are great!

  38. amy Says:

    I realy believe things are starting to come together.I am going to send out more letters tomorrow to the Justices… I am also going to light a candle for Berg..and pray, pray, pray

  39. jrh Says:

    Kay, I believe that’s a different Michelle Robinson. The MO middle initial is ‘L’. It doesn’t appear to be an alias situation, but I could be wrong.

  40. amy Says:

    This elligibility problem has finally made it to an Ohio newspaper:

  41. Troy Says:

    amy Says:

    January 4, 2009 at 8:42 pm
    This elligibility problem has finally made it to an Ohio newspaper:
    It looks like it has already been scrubbed clean.

    Google strikes again

  42. goferit Says:

    Try this link:


  43. Troy Says:

    goferit Says:

    January 4, 2009 at 9:02 pm
    Try this link:

    That one has also been scrubbed

  44. goferit Says:

    Very interesting…..

    The original link below works now again>
    The link with the additional a in article does not. I was just on the site and read it again. Move fast.

    If it goes to a 404 again, just search the paper site with natural born and the link comes up.


  45. goferit Says:

    I will post the article from limaohio.com:


    Thomas Lucente: Is Obama a natural-born citizen?
    Comments 16 | Recommend 9
    January 2, 2009 – 6:42 PM
    Thomas J. Lucente Jr.
    Published Jan. 4, 2008
    The most underreported story of 2008 has to be the continuing saga of a few brave souls who are working through the courts to force President-elect Barack Obama to prove his citizenship.

    In fact, a report from The Associated Press dismissed the whole thing as nothing but Internet conspiracy theories.

    This lack of coverage is just the latest example of why I have mostly lost hope for the mainstream media in the United States.

    Thanks to the lack of media coverage, many of you reading this may be unaware of the multitude of lawsuits challenging Obama’s citizenship and his legal right to be president.

    The Framers, when putting together our Constitution, inserted Article 2, Section 1, Clause 4, which tells us. “No Person except a natural born Citizen … shall be eligible to the Office of President.” The same clause prevents Austrian-born California Gov. Arnold A. Schwarzenegger from being president.

    There have been at least 17 lawsuits filed in state and federal courts alleging that Obama does not meet the Constitutional requirement of being a natural-born citizen.

    The lawsuits filed all have varying theories on Obama’s citizenship, including that he was not born in the United States, that he became a citizen of Indonesia when he was adopted, or that he had dual citizenship at birth, which means he was not a natural-born citizen.

    The lawsuit with which I am most familiar was filed in a federal court in Pennsylvania by Philip Berg, a Democrat.

    That lawsuit alleges that Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya. Berg says he has a recording of Obama’s grandmother, Sarah Obama, saying she was present when Obama was born in Kenya.

    Berg further claims that Obama himself and other members of his family have made conflicting statements as to where he was born. Additionally, Kenyan officials have said Obama was born in Kenya.

    Much of the controversy surrounds Obama’s birth certificate. The state of Hawaii has refused to release the long-form or “vault” copy of the birth certificate. Obama also has refused to release the long-form copy.

    Back in June, the campaign did release a short-form certificate, which is a certificate created by Hawaii that says the long-form certificate is on file. However, according to Berg, the campaign only released the short-form certificate to The Daily Kos, a left-wing blog, and FactCheck.org, a pro-Obama organization. Additionally, Berg has called the short-form certificate a forgery.

    Berg brought the case to the U.S. Supreme Court and was initially denied by Justices David Souter and Anthony Kennedy before submitting his petition to Justice Antonin Scalia.

    The Supreme Court has scheduled two conferences on the case, one for Friday and a second one for Jan. 16, four days before Obama will take office.

    I do not know if Obama is a natural-born citizen. My instincts tell me that it would have been difficult for him to hide that fact for so long. However, citizenship law can be very murky and Obama’s reticence on the matter is disturbing.

    I know from personal experience that when dealing with duel citizenship issues, birth certificates are usually filed in both countries. The state of Hawaii’s statement that it has a birth certificate on file does nothing in solving the mystery of where Obama was born. It merely tells us his birth was recorded in Hawaii.

    The whole controversy might be nothing more than a crazy conspiracy theory. Then again, it might be a valid argument.

    The whole matter could easily be settled by the state of Hawaii releasing the long-form certificate, something the Supreme Court can force if it accepts the case for arguments.

    There is much at stake here. This is a serious constitutional question. If we find out later that Obama was not a natural-born citizen, then everything he did as president, treaties, laws, executive orders, etc., would be invalid.

    The candidates spent more than $1 billion and two years vying for the job. Would it not make sense to give lawyers an afternoon arguing the issue in front of the Supreme Court? That is the least we could do to make sure the person taking the oath of office actually meets the requirements.

    The Constitution demands nothing less.

    You can comment on this column and other issues on Lucente’s blog at http://www.lucente.org.

  46. Troy Says:

    On the right hand side of the article is a POLL where you can vote as to whether the SCOTUS should hear Berg’s case….So far only ten people have voted and 100% of them have voted YES!!!

    Everyone take the time to vote in this POLL…It couldn’t hurt.

  47. amy Says:

    That article in Lima news is well-written. I sure wish more newspapers would let this news out.

  48. ladyliberty Says:

    12 votes now including mine – still 100%

    It is a great article! I like that he says that he is not sure his eligibility, but that should be reported. That is all we ask! So many others (the MSM0 decide to make a decision FOR US instead of giving us the information so that we can make our own decision. I know the MSM is just trying to protect us …. (with sarcasm)….

  49. j.b. Says:

    I agree, it is a well written article. Going to vote now…………

  50. j.b. Says:

    !5 peeps have vited now. I will put this link on my fav blogs. Let’s pass this around, K?

  51. j.b. Says:


    Okay, so I wish I never , ever heard of youtube. BUT! Since I have and got lost there today, I want to share this with you.

    Have you seen this? Wanna laugh? Sure you do. Watch BillO’ melt down………….(i saw this the first time at least a year ago, i know it’s old, but boy is it good!)

  52. j.b. Says:

    The funniest part of that video! That is NOT STING!
    lmao. Thanks for playin’ along…….geez, it’s kinda lonely up in he-ah.

  53. amy Says:


  54. Foxtrot Says:

    Hi everyone! Just read an little article in my local paper today. Of course it was buried way in the back and only a small snippet of an article. It states the the Dean of the Harvard Law School, Elena Kagan, is the leading candidate to be Obama’s representative at teh Supreme Court. The position is Solicitor General–the one who represents the United States before the Supreme Court. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm, wonder why his Harvard records have been locked up so tight? Could it be she was promised something if she kept quiet? This is just getting ridiculous! It would be absurd, if it weren’t so true!

  55. Foxtrot Says:

    oops, should read “a little article”!

  56. Foxtrot Says:

    If someone could find this INS agent, it would be GOLD for Berg’s case! This from another blog.

    “Obama has also failed/refused to release any records pertaining to school, college, and medical. Why? Was he registered as a foreign exchange student at both colleges? A retired INS agent who worked when Obama came into the United States stated he distinctly remembered Obama because of his ‘slick’ manners and speech. The agent says that he went back into the INS files and found the information and that Obama came into the USA on a FS-1 pas sport/visa. FS-1 is a foreign student visa clas sification, not a US citizen passport. So, who out there can get into the INS files and find Soreto/Obama’s record of entry into the USA?“

    h t t p: // d ro rl y.blogspot.com/2009/01/fs-1-foreign-student-visa-and-barack.html

  57. j.b. Says:

    Yep. Absurd AND true.

  58. Foxtrot Says:

    Well, I guess the “deadline” today from Starr relates to some sort of gag order. I assume we will hear more about the details tomorrow! Cross your fingers! This is the case she said was “sealed” until today and that we would know more after the 4th of this month. It was also punishable as a criminal offense, which usually means “jail time”!

  59. Katie Says:

    j.b. Says:
    January 4, 2009 at 10:47 pm

    Have you seen this? Wanna laugh? Sure you do. Watch BillO’ melt down………….(i saw this the first time at least a year ago, i know it’s old, but boy is it good!)

    j.b. – Hysterical! The title should be,

    “What do Rahm E. and Bill O. have in common?”

  60. j.b. Says:

    Yep, Katie!

    Well, I need to go bake the Cowboy Cookies i have NOT been baking ALL day long. My BFF’s FIL died and I know her hubby loves cookies, esp. with chocolate in them………….so back to the kitchen for me. ugh.

    So sad, my BFF’s dad just died in November. 😦

    Can’t wait to hear the Super Secret Spy Case either, Foxy!
    Welcome back. Where’s Patty? I hope she’s okay………….

  61. Tenacity Says:

    33 votes all yes…I think Rose’s Gang has created a monster. I love it.

  62. ladyliberty Says:

    Does anyone know when Berg will be on tonight? I read that he would be on Plains Radio at 6, but it was Pastor Manning.

  63. Tenacity Says:

    This is an excellent article worth the read:

    Rendering the Constitution Irrelevant
    “Ineligible Obama Playing with Constitutional Fire”
    By JB Williams Saturday, January 3, 2009


  64. Tenacity Says:

    It is the Wiley Drake show and should be on now. I even saw a post by Linda Starr confirming that earlier. I’m on it now, but don’t hear Berg yet.

  65. ladyliberty Says:

    Tenacity – Thanks! I realized after I posted that it was 6-8 central time and I am in EST zone. When the Drake show started I did not hear him say Berg would be on, so I thought I was crazy. Orly is on right now.

  66. calli Says:

    Obama seems lost for words when speaking out about the situation in the Middle East!! A cat must have gotten his tongue!!! LOL!!
    I see Richardson fell from grace just as Edward’s did!! Who is next? Hillary!! Makes you wonder who dug up the dirt on these guys!!!!

  67. Troy Says:

    To hear Ed Hale call someone else dumb makes him a walking, talking “OxyMoron”

  68. sliderblaze Says:


    lil orielly….the we’ll do it live sketch…classic

  69. Troy Says:

    Lil O’Rielly roolz

  70. sliderblaze Says:

    confirmed, someone needs to tell ed hale to clear is damn throat

  71. j.b. Says:



    Scroll down, but hide the children first!

  72. Foxtrot Says:

    calli- As Newt Gingrich just said on FOX news the other day, “Hillary and Bill Clinton are the most vetted people in history!” I don’t think there is anything left to tell! I agree with Newt completely! I wish Hillary were the President Elect right now. Obama and the DNC colluded to steal it from her. Gotta stop now as my anger is rising!

  73. Foxtrot Says:

    I saw on Greta Wire, Greta’s heading was that Obama ordered a cheeseburger on board his plane! What the heck?!?!?! Greta is no more a journalist than I am! The Constitution is being trampled upon and Greta is covering what Obama had for dinner on his plane! Unbefrickinbelieble!

  74. j.b. Says:

    sliderblaze Says:

    January 5, 2009 at 1:48 am
    confirmed, someone needs to tell ed hale to clear is damn throat

    Um, okay, but please tell him to do so OFF the AIR!

    *and to be careful, as half his damn lung may come up*
    *euwww, sorry ’bout it*

  75. j.b. Says:

    I can’t believe he ordered a friggin’ cheeseburger with all that good grub to choose from!

  76. jjones Says:

    I’m ok with him eating cheeseburgers… one step closer to clogged arteries 😉

  77. Troy Says:

    j.b. Says:

    January 5, 2009 at 1:52 am


    Scroll down, but hide the children first!
    I am having a difficult time responding to that photo of Pelosi, as I am now turning into a pillar of salt.

  78. Tenacity Says:

    I saw that picture of Pelosi in my unabridged dictionary next to the term “Post Turtle”

  79. Troy Says:

    We are all considered domestic terrorists and may very soon be arrested and imprisoned.


  80. j.b. Says:

    Dayuuuum. Well that kinda goes hand in hand with Wacko Robertson’s latest claim that; God told him that the U.S.A is ready for socialism.
    Oh, yeah, Patrick? Well, God told me that your head in is your a$$, therefore you can’t see to know the difference between being a man or an A$$hole!

    Well, sh!t fire and save the matches! (been wantin’ to say that all day. i feel my rednekkedness by proxy, kickin’ in real bad today)

    This is just f*cking great. I guess if we refuse to “sit down and shut up”, (and face jail time) then where, exactly, is the incentive NOT to do much worse?

  81. j.b. Says:

    Dammit! I just burnt 12 perfectly good (before I burnt ’em) cookies.

  82. Tenacity Says:

    Troy Says:
    January 5, 2009 at 2:24 am

    We are all considered domestic terrorists and may very soon be arrested and imprisoned.

    It is almost to the point that I want the NWO in DC to pass such legislation and start enforcing it. This is just the impetus that we need to awaken the sleeping giant. With an unconstitutional “UnPOTUS” criminal in the White House, I believe the military will become impotent and many willing to join the People. This is why the Also Known As fresh prince will need a civilian security force. We must not wait for the New Brown Shirts to organize. Check out the poster in the current thread at ObamaCrimes, Ray Becker. He is not alone. Let the socialists in DC take some bold actions to outwardly thwart the well outfitted militia of the People. They will soon learn who pays them. They all belong in the Unemployment line.

  83. sdee Says:

    Bo is already feelin the luv from back home in Jakarta…………

    “”Muslim protesters wearing masks of, from left, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and U.S. President-elect Barack Obama, take part in a rally against Israeli air strikes on Gaza, in Jakarta, Indonesia””


  84. Tenacity Says:

    You always come up with interesting stuff…thanks. Who should know better what kind of fraud the UnPE is than the Indonesians?

  85. j.b. Says:

    sdee Says:

    January 5, 2009 at 3:01 am
    Bo is already feelin the luv from back home in Jakarta…………

    At first I thought those were bullet holes in the masks! doh.
    The guy on the left looks like Gov. Richardson! (like after losing a fight with a gun or something)

  86. j.b. Says:

    ROSE! Have you seen this!?!?!

    I am so disgusted I can hardly see straight!
    We need a letter writing campaign to CNN-stat!
    This has gone way overboard…….


    *hope i din’t break your blog, btw. i’m startin’ to get a complex about bein’ a thread killa. 😦
    oh, well, see you tomorrow-God willing, of course. :)*

  87. roving Says:

    j.b. Says:
    January 5, 2009 at 2:44 am

    Dayuuuum. Well that kinda goes hand in hand with Wacko Robertson’s latest claim that; God told him that the U.S.A is ready for socialism.
    Oh, yeah, Patrick? Well, God told me that your head in is your a$$, therefore you can’t see to know the difference between being a man or an A$$hole!

    When Pat Robertson said that, the first thing that popped in my head was the pod people got him.

  88. Tenacity Says:

    I have no question that God speaks to his people. I have heard His still small voice and have observed His speaking to me in numerous ways. That said, I do not believe that Mr. Robertson can speak for God anymore than any other man alive today can speak for God, including the Pope. We can speak His truth as taught in Scripture and by His Spirit that He has sent in His Son’s name. But when we profess to speak for God, especially by predicting the future, it is at best a reach and at worst blasphemy. Scripture suggests that the day of the prophet is past.

    Look at the convenience of Robertson’s predictions. In essence, the US voters have already accepted socialism by giving Also Known As and Congress the popular vote. Oppression has historically brought about a spiritual awakening. This is also convenient for Robertson who longs for such an awakening. So ole Pat has predicted what has apparently already happened and elevated his own importance.

    One reason I don’t have a fish on my car is because I don’t want God to get the blame for my driving. Too bad ole Pat doesn’t use the same philosophy with his lip service.

  89. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    just lol… from a post at obamacrimes

    Here is a new idea for you. You will need 8 Pallbearers and and a casket draped with an American Flag and a picture of the Constitution on it and march it in front of the State Capital. Notify the press in advance so that you are sure to get coverage. Notify NBC, CBS, ABC, FOX and CNN especially. call the National Enquirer, The Globe, and any other grocery store tabloid and tell them what is planned. Again have the handouts ready to go so that you can notify at least the Press about this jerk and what he is doing to destroy this country.

  90. j.b. Says:

    Well, count me in, Cindy! Tenacity, we have a task now!!!!!!!!
    We can get a casket as Costco………..

  91. rosettasister Says:

    New Thread:


  92. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Hi Everyone… just trying to catch up on the posts. I’ve been under the weather with the pancreatitis again. Looks like it wants to win–but I’m a fighter!

    So glad you all are here keeping up the fight and holding down the front. I’m still trying to do my part, but life is kicking my butt right now…

  93. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    BTW, If you notice I have taken my hat off. This is in mourning for all that is happening in Israel. I am wearing my yellow star in solidarity with all Jewish people everywhere.

  94. susiezen Says:

    ahhh frankin steals senate seat, counted some votes two times. where are the gops lawyers when the thieving liars cheat when counting duplicate ballots for frankin over and over again…..why are we allowing the demos to get away with all their voter fraud….when do our rights count, the voters!!! we the people are the ones getting screwed here. I DO NOT want al frankins lying self in the senate. hes a fraud!

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