“Wrotnowski v. Bysiewicz: SCOTUS Denies Application for Stay/Injunction”

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obummer

Image By Phil Dragoo

Link for image:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2148487/posts#23

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=1865

The Supreme Court orders

http://www.supremecourtus.gov/orders/courtorders/121508zor.pdf

denied Wrotnowski v. Bysiewicz application for staying the election as well as requesting that the Court would grant an injunction disallowing the Electoral College to hold its vote today until Barack Obama’s eligibility could be finally determined:

08A469

WROTNOWSKI, CORT V. BYSIEWICZ, CT SEC. OF STATE

The application for stay and/or injunction addressed

to Justice Scalia and referred to the Court is denied.

CitizenWells’ letter

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/12/14/citizen-wells-letter-to-electors-electoral-college-uphold-us-constitution-december-15-2008-electors-vote-obama-is-not-eligible-demand-proof-2008-election-election-laws-political-party-pledges/

to the Electoral College presents the next potential opporutnity along the process of attempting to inform the nation about Barack Obama’s seeming ineligibility to serve in the office of the President. Also, I have my thoughts on the next steps in this process.

A current listing of eligibility lawsuits can be found here.

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?page_id=1518

State-based initiatives for electoral reform can be found here.

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?page_id=1909

Naturally, this posting will be updated as circumstances warrant.

Update: CitizenWells isn’t happy about this decision at all. Read up on what he’s doing about it.

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/12/15/wrotnowski-v-bysiewicz-us-supreme-court-december-15-2008-justices-decide-cort-wrotnowski-versus-connecticut-secretary-of-state-bysiewicz-writ-of-mandamus-obama-not-eligible-stay-denied/

Update: InvestigatingObama’s question may be “asked and answered:” Is the Judicial Review Allowed Only After the Electoral College Vote?

http://investigatingobama.blogspot.com/2008/12/is-judicial-review-allowed-only-after.html

-Phil

Freeper Thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2149030/posts

Phil Berg Barack Obama Ron Polarik Jeff Schreiber

206 Responses to ““Wrotnowski v. Bysiewicz: SCOTUS Denies Application for Stay/Injunction””

  1. Foxtrot Says:

    I’m back.

  2. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    repost from other thread.
    _____________
    When this blog is kept very clean (free of trolls) and on track. It is a place with civility and brings out the best thinkers. I like how we can think out loud and just toss out ideas……. I have learned so much here. This place and it’s gang rocks

  3. Goferit Says:

    Fox is first!!

    Dang it

  4. sba1872 Says:

    justanamericancindy4 Says:
    December 15, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    repost from other thread.
    _____________
    When this blog is kept very clean (free of trolls) and on track. It is a place with civility and brings out the best thinkers. I like how we can think out loud and just toss out ideas……. I have learned so much here. This place and it’s gang rocks.

    Yes, I’m supposed to be working, but I had an idea to toss out here for consideration. I would appreciate any comments you may have on this because it’s been running through my mind for quite some time now. Do you think there is any basis for the postulation I originally read on a radioblog chat that ROSETTA GANG ROCKS? Just tossing it out there. Waddya think?

  5. Foxtrot Says:

    sba– you crack me up!

  6. rosettasister Says:

    “Dr. Orly Taitz, Esq. Speaking at National Press Club”

    http://drorly.blogspot.com/2008/12/dr-orly-taitz-esq-speaking-at-national.html

    “Urgent! What needs to be done now”

    http://drorly.blogspot.com/2008/12/urgent-what-needs-to-be-done-now.html

  7. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Before I go back and read some of the links posted over the last couple of days, I want to say thank you to everyone who contributes around here. Sometimes they are just “what if” or “I wonder” kind of posts, sometimes the are highly techincal and informative and sometimes they are just plain funny. I also like how we can express opinions, express disagreement and move on without getting hostile. It IS a great place to “throw out ideas” and “think out loud” (Nicely put, JAC). I have GOT to spend more and better time with my kids with their homeschooling so

    I will not be able to engage here as much as I would like to but I look forward to following the exchange here and following up on the great information everyone here comes up with. I will post when I can and if I find anything interesting, I will share with you all.

    SO, thanks to all of you for a very interesting and informative several weeks here! It has been great getting to “know” all of you – I will be lurking around to be sure so keep up the great work 😉

  8. ddlew Says:

    Me thinks this whole deal is a fruitless endeavor. SCOTUS isn’t going to lift a finger on this deal. The only REAL HOPE would be for someone in Congress to challenge the vote on the basis of Obama’s citizenship.

    The Supreme Court isn’t there to protect people like you and me.

  9. rosettasister Says:

    Polarik Comments at Free Republic:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2148166/posts

    To: Polarik
    “Which we now know, conclusively and irrefutably, is a forgery of a nonexistent document, and in its place is totally bogus information.”
    This statement maybe true but until you get the 2007 document reviewed in a court of law, you can only assert that it is bogus.
    The Obama document from 2007 is presented again so one can compare it to a genuine Certified Copy of a Certificate of Live Birth document from the State of Hawaii in the 1962 time frame. That is six months after August of 1961.
    Examine closely the raised seal and the signatures on the 1962 document. Without these key data points, the 2007 document is a clearly a fraud. No legitimate Court or licensing official would/should accept such a document without a certifying seal.

    97 posted on Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:15:55 PM by NewEnglander

    To: NewEnglander
    >i?Examine closely the raised seal and the signatures on the 1962 document. Without these key data points, the 2007 document is a clearly a fraud. No legitimate Court or licensing official would/should accept such a document without a certifying seal.
    Well, it’s not just the Seal, but the form itself. FReepers know it, but a majority of Americans still do not realize that even if Obama handed the Court a real, paper, certified Certification of Live Birth, it would be nothing more than a worthless piece of paper as far as proving his natural-born status. There never was a real Obama COLB to begin with.
    Only the original birth certificate with the features you mentioned, can be used to determine natural-born status,

    99 posted on Monday, December 15, 2008 6:55:15 AM by Polarik

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2148791/posts

    To: malkee; LucyT; pissant; Calpernia; Polarik; Ernest_at_the_Beach; SunkenCiv; STARWISE
    On Monday, the United States will wake up with no Constitution. It’s all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic.
    ***That’s what I’ve been saying if they don’t rule on this issue somehow.
    Pinging the folks who have CertifiGate ping lists.

    19 posted on Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:44:34 PM by Kevmo

    To: Kevmo
    It’s way far from over. You all know what the constitutional lawyers have said: that if Obama is elected without being Constitutionally qualified, then he is an illegally-elected President and we are under no obligation to him or his administration. We have a responsibility to uphold the Constitution even if they don’t,
    From the moment he takes office, anyone who is charged with any federal violation, whatsoever, no matter how small, will have a right of redress to challenge Obama to prove his citizenship status.
    In fact, wherever and whenever we are asked to produce our birth certificates, we will refuse, citing Obama as the
    “Prescident” of the United States.
    sorry…I couldn’t resist.

    54 posted on Monday, December 15, 2008 8:28:34 AM by Polarik

  10. koyaan Says:

    peppermintpatty777 wrote:

    Well, K. as you said to me, you could say anything about yourself that you choose to. Now you expect us to believe that you ran for a seat on the CSA? Oh, I get it, you did run for a seat— was it on a back of a truck?

    On a back of a truck?

    Nah. On the Republican ticket.

    Here’s the cover of the pamphlet:

    q-audio.com/images/pamphlet.jpg

    And here’s the sample ballot:

    q-audio.com/images/ballot.jpg

    I ran into Peter Finn for the first time since the election over on Free Republic a couple months ago.

    So, you don’t care about Dems or Reps, and lah lah lah, now let’s get to the real point you want to make here–Palin abused power in Alaska–

    I think Alaska came out and said she did not abue her powers there– after all the political hoo haa over it.

    Did they? I don’t know. I never made any hoo haa over it in the first place, didn’t pay any particular attention to it, and have never commented on it. She’s not my governor so it had no particular relevance to me. And that was the only point I had to make when I said whatever she may have done was for Alaskans to worry about.

    k

  11. sba1872 Says:

    ddlew

    “SCOTUS isn’t going to lift a finger on this deal.”

    =======

    Actually they did.

  12. rosettasister Says:

    From TexasDarlin:

    • reps on December 15, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    TD: In Wrotnowski, cert was NOT denied; the stay was. Just like Donofrio, cert is still pending on Wrotnowski:

    http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/

    TD REPLY: Ok, I stand corrected. Thanks.

  13. Foxtrot Says:

    Wow! I just had a 12 minute conversation with Markham, the gentleman listed on the Keye’s Press conference announcement. Rosetta Gang–he has info that I have never heard before! He states that they have proof Obama was born in Mombasa. However, here is the new element to it . . . Mombasa was a “protectorate of the Sultan of Oman” for a two year period of time. The Ethnicity of this region was considered “Arab”, not Kenyan. It was after these two years that it became a British territory. He also stated they are dispatching someone to Indonesia to get some information they know is there through their contacts. He said he is certain that not only is Obama not a “natural born citizen”, they know he is not even a U.S. CITIZEN!!! The conversation unfolded more jaw dropping information I had never heard before! He even has an expert on that region in Mombassa working with him! I would love to be a fly on the wall at that press conference they are holding today! I forgot to ask him if he had a place we could listen to the conference today. I did ask him to post a link or article for us, here at rosettasister, with all the information he just gave me. He said he will post it on Rosetta sister in a few days, after he can breathe a bit from all the work this press conference will surely bring up. So, Rosetta, if you see something from a gentleman who is posting from Keyes’ camp, please allow it!

  14. Foxtrot Says:

    Repost from other thread from Cindy:

    justanamericancindy4 Says:

    December 15, 2008 at 4:50 pm
    The Alan Keyes Legal Team will hold a press conference tomorrow Mon. 12-15-08 12:30 PM at the CA State Capitol in Sacramento, CA. Please help spread. Attendence is needed for media coverage. Official Info is as follows:

    Location: CA State Capitol – Corner of “L” and 11th Streets, Sacramento, CA 12:30 PM

    1. Attend
    2. Bring signs with out sticks.
    3. Bring your birth certificate and show it to the media.

    Official Press Release Follows:

    RE: AIP/Electoral College Capitol Press Conference set for Monday
    For Immediate Release – Event Notice – Press Conference
    Time: Mon 12-15-08, 12:30 PM
    Place: California State Capitol, Sacramento California at the Corner of “L” and 11th Streets

    Topic: Unlawful Occupation of Presidency and Invalid Electoral College Process

    Conference Contact: Tony Andrade, 916-230-2123; Tony95683@netzero.net
    Media Contact: Markham Robinson, State Chairman, American Independent Party; Party HQ 707-359-4884 Home: 707-448-7062; Office: 707-451-8985; Temp Cell: 707-761-3009; Fax: 707-222-6040

  15. koyaan Says:

    justanamericancindy4 wrote:

    December 15, 2008 at 4:50 pm
    The Alan Keyes Legal Team will hold a press conference tomorrow Mon. 12-15-08 12:30 PM at the CA State Capitol in Sacramento, CA. Please help spread. Attendence is needed for media coverage. Official Info is as follows:

    Thanks.

    I’ll go check it out and maybe post some photos here.

    Skies seem to be clearing so hopefully it won’t be cold and raining.

    k

  16. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Fox

    glad I was able to help with the info I came across.

    hate to hit and run but going Christmas shopping

  17. rosettasister Says:

    Mimi Says:
    December 15, 2008 at 5:51 pm

    How do we know Lolo oetoro was born in or around 1936?

    ——————

    Welcome, Mimi!

    Rosetta

  18. rosettasister Says:

    “Obama Bungles Blagogate”

    http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/12/11/tantaros_blagojevich/

    EXCERPT

    It is evident that Obama hasn’t learned the lessons of the Reverend Wright ordeal: denounce and distance early. For the sake of his own career and future perception of his administration he needs to take a zero tolerance policy on corruption and impropriety, particularly since it’s so close to home, by coming out swinging (though it’s worth noting that Obama has long been silent on fraud in Illinois, perhaps trying to skirt the subject of his role with Tony Rezko).

    He should have been tough and clear this week that if anyone in his circle was implicated they would lose their jobs and that he will aid in the investigation any way he can. Sitting silent appears sketchy.

    Here’s some free P.R. advice: if you’ve got nothing to hide, don’t hide. The media may have been in bed with the president-elect during the 2008 campaign but they’re bored and desperate to increase sales with something sexy. Until Obama explains himself more fully a cloud will hang over his head while leaving the public to ask what he knew, when he knew it and where else this drama will spray.

  19. thinkingmom11 Says:

    OK – i have to comment on the Keyes’ thing – if they do not get a chance to air their information in court, they need to air it in the court of public opinion which can act more quickly and sometimes more harshly than the legal system. And at the very least, public opinion can sometimes sway the legal system into action they may have been hesitant to address without public support. I am also debating going to that press conference….I am about 45 min – hour away…. with four kids…two 5 or younger…hmmmm –

    Koyaan – how difficult is it to get to the press conference area? I am not very familiar with Sac. at all. Especially not the downtown area….

  20. rosettasister Says:

    Have a wonderful day all spreading a little Christmas cheer!
    “For Unto Us A Child Is Given”

    Remember if you want to be sure I see something, just include a workable link and I’ll definitely see it.

    Rose

  21. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    79 elected officials had been convicted of corruption in the past 30 years [in Chicago]. Among the perps: 27 aldermen, 19 judges, 15 state legislators, three governors, two congressmen, one mayor, two turtledoves, and a partridge in a stolen pear tree. Especially in this holiday season, it’s so very important to keep traditions alive for the kids. In a sense, Blago did it for the children.

    🙂

  22. Foxtrot Says:

    Thinking Mom– If I could go, I would! I think this is going to be filled with new and interesting information. For what it is worth. If you see the guy “Mark”, tell him you are one of the bloggers on Rosetta Sister!

  23. Foxtrot Says:

    Funny JAC!

  24. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    OK Folks, Just because I think some of you may have not read this, sine I did a little digging to find it… I’m not going to post publicly my link, if you want it, email me personally and I’ll send it–

    I translated from the Indonesian language it was in to English, so there are some words that still need to be clarified. Second part is coming as soon as I get it translated. I’m not going to point out the parts that I found “of interest” because I want to see if any of you find anything…don’t want to taint your reading of it.

    Auma is a descendant of the original Kenya. Ibunda Auma adalah istri pertama dari Barack Obama Sr. Auma mother is the first wife of Barack Obama Sr.. Sedangkan, Maya, membawa darah campuran Asia (Jawa, Meanwhile, Maya, bringing a mixture of blood and Asia (Java, Indonesia). Indonesia). Saudara-saudara Obama yang lain hidup tenteram di Iowa, New Hampshire, dan jauh dari publikasi media, sehingga menyembunyikan keunikan keluarga Obama Obama brothers who settled in another life Iowa, New Hampshire, and far from the media publishing, so hide the uniqueness Obama family yang sesungguhnya merangsang apresiasi publik AS itu. that stimulate the public’s appreciation of the U.S.. Meski berbeda ayah, mereka selalu berdekatan dan berkomunikasi sangat rekat, khususnya hubungan antara Maya dengan Obama. Although different father, they are always close and communicate very tacky, especially the relationship between the Maya with Obama. Sampai sekarang Maya yang tumbuh besar bersama Obama di Indonesia dan Hawaii tetap mengenang masa kecil yang indah bersama sang abang. Until now, the Maya grew big with Obama in Indonesia and Hawaii still recall the small beautiful with the brother. Berjam-jam After-hours ngobrol di telepon, menjadi tempat berkeluhkesah tatkala dibelit frustasi dan dirundung bingung, atau sebagai pelindung yang kadang terkesan protektif. chat on the phone, a berkeluhkesah when dibelit steady cook confused and frustrated, or sometimes as a protector of protektif impressed. “Dia membantuku menentukan pilihan,” kata Maya kepada Chicago Sun Times edisi 9 September 2007. “He membantuku determine the choice,” said Maya to the Chicago Sun Times edition, 9 September 2007. Maya yang sering dikira orang Latin atau hispanik itu sekarang telah menjadi istri pria Kanada keturunan Cina, Konrad Ng. Maya is often computed the Latin or Hispanic is now the wife of Canadian men, descendants of Chinese, Konrad Ng. Mereka dikarunia anak perempuan Happy Valentines their female children berusia 3 tahun bernama Suhaila. aged 3 years and named Suhaila. Maya memeroleh gelar PhD dari Universitas Hawaii, dan sekarang mengajar pada sebuah sekolah di Honolulu, sedangkan suaminya adalah PhD ilmu politik yang Maya receive a PhD degree from the University of Hawaii, and now teaches at a school in Honolulu, while her husband is a political science PhD aktif dalam kampanye kepresidenan Obama. active in the campaign Obama presidency. “Apakah anda akan berkampanye untuk kakak anda?” “What you will be campaigning for your sister?” tanya wartawati New York Times, Deborah Solomon, dalam satu wawancara dengam Maya pada 20 Januari ask the New York Times correspondent, Deborah Solomon, in an interview with Maya on 20 January 2008. 2008. Maya menjawab antusiastis, “Ya.” Maya antusiastis replied, “Yes.” “Di bemper mobil ku ada stiker bertuliskan, `1-20-09. End of an Error` (Akhir bagi Kekeliruan),” kata Maya. “In my car there is a bumper sticker titled,` 1-20-09. End of an Error “(End for similar story exists),” said Maya. Kombinasi angka 1-20-09 merujuk pada waktu pelaksanaan pemungutan suara untuk pemilihan Presiden AS pada 20 Januari 2009, sedangkan maksud kalimat 1-20-09 combination of numbers on referring the implementation of polling for the U.S. Presidential election on 20 January 2009, while the purpose of sentence “akhir dari kekeliruan” adalah bahwa kemenangan si abang menjadi Presiden AS akan mengakhiri kekeliruan bangsa AS, karena telah memilih rezim yang salah. “end of confusion” is that the victory of the President’s brother to become the U.S. will end the confusion nations the U.S., because the regime has chosen the wrong. Bersama para selebritis top, seperti Robert de Niro dan Oprah Winfrey, Maya kini aktif berkampanye bagi pencalonan Obama sebagai kandidat Presiden AS dari Together with the top celebrities, such as Robert De Niro and Oprah Winfrey, Maya is now actively campaigning for nomination as candidates, Obama President of the U.S. Partai Demokrat dan presiden kulit hitam pertama AS. Democratic Party president and the first black U.S.. “Kukira hal terpenting yang bisa kulakukan sekarang adalah membagi alasan dengan orang-orang mengapa saya tergerak mendukung kampanye presidensial “Kukira the most important thing that can kulakukan is now reason to share with people why I’m on supporting the presidential campaign Obama, bahkan jika dia bukan abang ku,” kata Maya. Obama, even if he was not my brother, “said Maya. Kepada New York Times, Maya menerangkan nilai-nilai moral dan kemanusiaan yang bersemayam dalam keluarganya, terutama setelah ditanam oleh sang ibu. The New York Times, she explains the moral values and humanity that reside in the family, especially after planted by the mother. Nilai-nilai keluarga ini pula yang merasuki pikiran, pandangan, dan prilaku Obama. The values of family, which is also The only thoughts, views, and prilaku Obama. Maya menyebut ibunya sebagai seorang agnostik (masih mempertanyakan keberadaan Tuhan dan konsep Ketuhanan), tetapi sang ibu pula yang mengajarkan Maya mentions his mother as a agnostik (still questioned the existence of God and the concept of the Godhead), but the mother who also teaches kebaikan-kebaikan ajaran spiritual. good-good spiritual teachings. “Mama kerap menghadiahi kami buku-buku bagus, Injil, Kitab Hindu Upanishad, Budhisme, dan Tao Te Ching. Beliau menginginkan kami meyakini bahwa setiap “It often compliment our good books, the Gospel, the Book of Hindu Upanishad, Budhisme, and the Tao Te Ching. He believes that we want each orang mempunyai sesuatu yang indah untuk disumbangkan kepada dunia,” kata Maya. something that people have donated to the beautiful world, “said Maya. “Anda tak menyebut-nyebut Al Quran? Anda khawatir kalau menyebut Islam akan mengundang kampanye hitam yang memburukkan citra politik kakak anda?” “You do not mention Al-Quran breathe? Worry if you mention Islam campaign will invite a black political ruin the image of your sister?”

  25. koyaan Says:

    thinkingmom11 wrote:

    Koyaan – how difficult is it to get to the press conference area? I am not very familiar with Sac. at all. Especially not the downtown area….

    Well, I’m assuming it’s going to be held outside, in which case it will likely be held on the north steps (facing L Street). In which case just find a parking space, feed the meter a few quarters and walk on over.

    k

  26. rosettasister Says:

    This is for Cindy.

    “The 12 Days of Christmas”

  27. Lyn Says:

    and Now it looks like Richardson may not be having a Merry Christmas (couldn’t happen to a nicer Judas) bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aL0GGUluJeT8&refer=worldwide
    Grand Jury Probes Richardson Donor’s New Mexico Financing Fee
    Dec. 15 (Bloomberg) — A federal grand jury is investigating how a company that advised Jefferson County, Alabama, on bond deals that threaten to cause the biggest municipal bankruptcy in U.S. history, did similar work in New Mexico after making contributions to Governor Bill Richardson’s political action committees.

    The grand jury in Albuquerque is looking into Beverly Hills, California-based CDR Financial Products Inc., which received almost $1.5 million in fees from the New Mexico Finance Authority in 2004 after donating $100,000 to Richardson’s efforts to register Hispanic and American Indian voters and pay for expenses at the Democratic National Convention in 2004, people familiar with the matter said.

    The Federal Bureau of Investigation asked current and former officials from the state agency if any staff members in the governor’s office influenced CDR’s hiring, said the people, who declined to be identified because the proceedings are secret. Richardson, who is President-elect Barack Obama’s designate for Commerce Secretary, has a staff of at least 30 people.

    more at link

  28. ddlew Says:

    http //africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/12/15/obama-intervenes-personally-on-the-michelle-tape-and-imam-document-an-urgent-meeting-held-in-oslo-between-api-and-obamas-representatives-only-hours-before-the-us-electoral-college-is-scheduled-to-m/

    Just in case anyone needed a good chuckle today. 🙂

  29. rosettasister Says:

    Lyn Says:
    December 15, 2008 at 6:43 pm

    and Now it looks like Richardson may not be having a Merry Christmas (couldn’t happen to a nicer Judas)

    ————————-

    Thanks, Lyn.

    I don’t like Richardson.

    One of my husband’s “venues” is in New Mexico.

    Let’s just say there are certain “open” secrets about him that he’s not very discreet about.

    Not a class act.

  30. Foxtrot Says:

    ddlew– I saw that story about API on another link! I just had to laugh! After all of this, he now finally is concluding his lie with a lie to end the original lie. Got to give Korir credit though, he finally came up with a reason as to why he won’t ever be able to divulge the “tape”! What a con artist! Anyone who still has faith in that man is just, simply put, a mindless idiot”!

  31. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    I’m still translatng page 2–

    btw, anyone seen our fav bot, Al, lately? Wonder if he is in part of that northern freeze that’s without electricity– guess that would make him “frozen botsicle” hee heee

  32. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Foxy– now admit it, you know that API really has the tape and this latest development is just to throw the Obama team off the trail and API Chief Editor Korir will be breaking this tremendous news “soon”——-

  33. ddlew Says:

    Fox,

    You know what? For a Dem, your alright. 🙂

    “Al” – “right” Get it? Lol!

  34. Lyn Says:

    rosettasister Says:

    December 15, 2008 at 6:54 pm
    I hear he is a real pig around women

  35. Lyn Says:

    rosiettasisater, venues? entertainment?

  36. rosettasister Says:

    Lyn Says:
    December 15, 2008 at 7:20 pm

    I hear he is a real pig around women

    Lyn Says:
    December 15, 2008 at 7:21 pm

    rosiettasisater, venues? entertainment?

    ——————-

    Yes and yes!

    And I’m too much of a lady to reveal more!

  37. Foxtrot Says:

    Thanks, ddlew . . . I think! 😉

    Patty — you better adjust that tinfoil hat again! LOL! Seriously though, API should be a sketch on SNL! They wouldn’t even need to write the lines, they could just take them from the API website. Some people are just clueless!

    How are you feeling, Patty?

    I have to run to yet another meeting in a few minutes, but I will touch base when I get back. I am excited to hear about the Keyes press conference.

  38. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    OK Rosies Gang:

    I haven’t seen this anywhere before, have you?

    I translated this from Indonesian:

    After Aan Dunham separated by any Hussain Obama, Aan Dunham for the second time married with a student named ** Mangundikardjo Lolo Soetoro*** from Indonesia to complete the study is to take the Doctor’s degree in geology. Setelah menyelesaikan studynya, Lolo Soetoro memboyong keluarganya ke Indonesia. After completing studynya, Lolo Soetoro memboyong family to Indonesia.

    I added the ** ** to draw your attenton to ths name. Anyone seen this before?

  39. Foxtrot Says:

    Yes, Patty. I have seen that name before. I believe it is the same name listed on the longer post I made relative to bringing this issue up initially. I think it is more at the top of this thread. One of the other bloggers stated they thought that was Lolo’s real Indonesian name, and encouraged those doing searching on this subject, to use his real name. I have to run to that meeting, but please go up earlier in this thread to see if I am correct. I think I am.

    Talk with you all when I get back.

  40. Lyn Says:

    I wouldn’t ask more here, don’t worry, especially about the venues. My DH is a sound tech and 20 yo son part time stage hand

  41. Lyn Says:

    I believe I read somewhere Mangundikardjo is related somehow to being strict muslim, ect

  42. rosettasister Says:

    peppermintpatty777 Says:
    December 15, 2008 at 7:27 pm

    —————–

    Well, Patty, I can reveal that I can be dangerous with an Indonesian — English dictionary.

    Years ago, in Miami, Florida, I came into contact with an Indonesian Muslim healer from Jakarta.

    He had two wives who were both with him and very long arms.

    Freaky long!

    I sent him a card using an Indonesian — English dictionary.

    Apparently, I must have done a good job because his people who were international students in the Miami area contacted me thinking I spoke fluent Indonesian.

    I often wonder what became of him.

    But what exactly are you getting at, Patty?

    As some of us are a little slow on the uptake.

    Rose

  43. rosettasister Says:

    Lyn Says:
    December 15, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    I wouldn’t ask more here, don’t worry, especially about the venues. My DH is a sound tech and 20 yo son part time stage hand

    ——————

    okay, I’m revealing my ignorance here

    what’s a DH?

    Designated Hitter?

  44. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Foxy– I only found the reference in your posts to Mangunharjo– not to
    Mangundikardjo

    If someone saw a diffrent post please let me know. I also found one from Troy with the mustjabab (sp) name.

    I feel sure that this is Lolo’s name because I took this from an Indonesian newspaper, and I saw it in other indo rags.

  45. Lyn Says:

    dear, darn damn dumb (take your pick lol) husband

  46. rosettasister Says:

    Lyn Says:
    December 15, 2008 at 7:50 pm

    dear, darn damn dumb (take your pick lol) husband

    ———————-

    okay, I can relate to that!

  47. Lyn Says:

    do you have our emails?

  48. rosettasister Says:

    Lyn Says:
    December 15, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    do you have our emails?

    ——————-

    Yes, Lyn. I’ll email you.

    Damn, now I have to check my email!

    I am so bad. When our children lived at home, they used to check for me and let me know if there was anything I really needed to look at.

    I’m afraid they spoiled me and now I’m on my own!

    Well, I have nothing to hide, anyway!

    I’ll go and do that now.

    Rose

  49. Lyn Says:

    you’re funny.

  50. Troy Says:

    I added the ** ** to draw your attenton to ths name. Anyone seen this before?

    ** Mangundikardjo Lolo Soetoro***
    ————————————————————
    That’s common knowledge it is a place in Indonesia as in:
    Lol Soetoro of Mangudikardjo

  51. Troy Says:

    The Russian navy is headed for Cuba

    Russian warships recently traveled thru the Panama Canal for the first time since WWII

    Russian navy has been conducting war games with Venezuela

    Russia has been selling war materials to Hugo Chavez (submarines, missels, jets, etc..)

  52. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Troy, believe it also becomes a part of the Name, in the sense of Jesus the Nazarene, but more so than what we can perhaps recogonize here in the States–we would consider it a part of the sir name perhaps. THat’s what I’m trying to find out. This name has finally popped up on Wiki too, which I just found–duh…

    Ok another thing that I’m just learnng is that Barry was adopted by his grandfather and became Barry Dunham. Anyone know anything about this. Have I just been in the dark about all of this? So, what was the purpose I wonder behind this adoption–if he wasn’t Barry Soetoro by adoption previously—hmmm

    Sure would like to see THOSE adoption papers—

  53. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    OK, so if he legally became Barry Dunham, when did he “legally” change is name back to Barack Hassein Obama? Ok too, for those doing research it might help (but you probably all know this–as it seems that I’m the one that’s a day late and an Obama short-pukepuke) to know that Obama Sr was often referred to as Hassain Obama, rather than Barack– I’m sure there’s a cultural reference there.

    OK… between decorating, wrapping Christmas presents (more delivery guys today and I’m almost out of fudge!–I think word has gotten out about the fudge and the delivery guys are breaking my shipments up into several deliveries now!! Just flattering myself– hee hee…)

    No time even to change hats– 😉

  54. Troy Says:

    Ok another thing that I’m just learnng is that Barry was adopted by his grandfather and became Barry Dunham.
    ——————————————————–
    This is the first time that I have heard of this

  55. rosettasister Says:

    Well, I don’t know if this is worth looking at, but it was just posted:

    ayman al zawahiri Says:
    December 15, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    http://www.newsandweb.com/ayman+al+zawahiri.html

    You didn’t really think that Al Qaeda’s deputy leader, Ayman al-Zawahiri, could become any more of an asshole, but it turns out that the intellectual architect of a reactionary band of religious fanatics

  56. Lyn Says:

    peppermintpatty777 Says:

    December 15, 2008 at 8:34 pm
    OK, so if he legally became Barry Dunham, when did he “legally” change is name back to Barack Hassein Obama? Ok too, for those doing research it might help (but you probably all know this–as it seems that I’m the one that’s a day late and an Obama short-pukepuke) to know that Obama Sr was often referred to as Hassain Obama, rather than Barack– I’m sure there’s a cultural reference there.

    OK… between decorating, wrapping Christmas presents (more delivery guys today and I’m almost out of fudge!–I think word has gotten out about the fudge and the delivery guys are breaking my shipments up into several deliveries now!! Just flattering myself– hee hee…)

    No time even to change hats

    I don’t know legally but remeber reading a few months ago his sistaer saying Barky went by Barry but when he went away to college (not sure Occ of Cloumbia) he called home around Xmas and told them he wanted to go by Barrack now.

  57. Bones Says:

    Troy,

    If he was adopted by his grandfather, he would at that point become a citizen, right (but not a nbc)? Do you have a link to that info?

  58. Bones Says:

    Cindy,

    I’ve given up trying to protect anyone who do not seem to want to be protected. Cheers.

  59. Troy Says:

    I don’t know legally but remeber reading a few months ago his sistaer saying Barky went by Barry but when he went away to college (not sure Occ of Cloumbia) he called home around Xmas and told them he wanted to go by Barrack now.
    ————————————————————
    He went by the name “Barry” at Occidental and when he began at Columbia he started going by the name “Barack”. If he never made a legal name change he has broken a ton of laws including FEC laws and has committed voter fraud.

  60. Troy Says:

    Bones Says:

    December 15, 2008 at 8:51 pm
    Troy,

    If he was adopted by his grandfather, he would at that point become a citizen, right (but not a nbc)? Do you have a link to that info?
    ———————————————————–
    It doesn’t matter if God adopted him, he has NEVER been a natural born citizen.

  61. Lyn Says:

    Troy Says:

    December 15, 2008 at 8:53 pm
    I don’t know legally but remeber reading a few months ago his sistaer saying Barky went by Barry but when he went away to college (not sure Occ of Cloumbia) he called home around Xmas and told them he wanted to go by Barrack

    and lied on his law liscence saying no AKA. is that why he gave it up and can’t practice?

  62. Lyn Says:

    Troy Says:

    December 15, 2008 at 8:53 pm
    I don’t know legally but remeber reading a few months ago his sistaer saying Barky went by Barry but when he went away to college (not sure Occ of Cloumbia) he called home around Xmas and told them he wanted to go by Barrack now.
    ————————————————————
    He went by the name “Barry” at Occidental and when he began at Columbia he started going by the name “Barack”. If he never made a legal name change he has broken a ton of laws including FEC laws and has committed voter fraud.

    So he changed his name AFTER going to POOOK I STAAN, right?

  63. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    back from shopping

  64. Lyn Says:

    did you see Jimmy’s site? showing pics pepople sent CE http://americanfearselection2008.wordpress.com/

  65. Foxtrot Says:

    peppermintpatty777 Says:

    December 15, 2008 at 8:34 pm
    OK, so if he legally became Barry Dunham, when did he “legally” change is name back to Barack Hassein Obama?
    =================

    Patty–that is a huge element of many of these lawsuits. Most believe he never did LEGALLY change his name either! That means he has fraudulently represented himself on the ballot. This was brought up during the Primary season and no news outlet “bit” on it.

  66. Lyn Says:

    I would love to see him deperted back to Kenyan or indonesia or whereever he is a citizen of now(unless by marrying Michelle he became a citizen, but wouldn’t you have to file forms ect?)

  67. Foxtrot Says:

    Lyn — he could get a Green Card! LOL! After he is found out though, he won’t be able to live in the U.S. because of the shame! He would have to move to another country. Perhaps our neighbors to the north would take him in!?!

  68. Foxtrot Says:

    Did Thinking Mom and Koyaan go to the Keyes’ press conference? Won’t that be interesting if they find out who each other are?

  69. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Lyn

    hmmmmmm has anyone seen his marriage license?
    IF he use an illegal name……. then isn’t the marriage void?

  70. Foxtrot Says:

    Lyn– he’d need that birth certificate!!!! (rolling and laughing on the floor!)

  71. Foxtrot Says:

    Hi JAC — yes, legally it would be “null and void” under the strictest eyes of the law, at least in the states I have lived.

  72. Foxtrot Says:

    Does anyone know what state he and Michelle got married in? I read his books but I can’t remember if he mentioned it.

  73. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Illinois doesn’t recognize common law marriage…… soooooooo, hmm that is a whole other can of worms….

  74. Foxtrot Says:

    Lets start looking into this with his aliases to see which name he used to be married.

    Wedding Date:
    Michelle and Barack’s wedding ceremony was performed on October 18, 1992 by Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, Illinois.

  75. Lyn Says:

    Ask and yee shale recieve senatorobama.wordpress.com/barack-obamas-family/barack-obamas-marriage-license/

  76. Troy Says:

    Foxtrot Says:

    December 15, 2008 at 9:18 pm
    Lyn — he could get a Green Card! LOL! After he is found out though, he won’t be able to live in the U.S. because of the shame! He would have to move to another country. Perhaps our neighbors to the north would take him in!?!
    ————————————————————
    Obama feeling shame?….Hahaha….Now that is funny!!!!
    He is shameless….A person has to have ethics and morals to feel shame….He has neither….You don’t come out of Chicago politics and have the capabilty of feeling shame.
    Obama / shame is an oxymoron.

  77. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    I know you can use I believe up to two aliases, but legal documents have to be signed with your legal name even if it is adjoining to an alias

  78. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    ewwwwwwwwww they got married on my birthday

  79. Foxtrot Says:

    Here is a link to the actual shot of their marriage license. He used “Barack Obama” as his name and hers was “Michelle Robinson”.

    Bummer!

    (use h t t p: / / w w w. in front)

    scribd.com/doc/6526878/Obama-Marriage-Certificate-

  80. Lyn Says:

    WHAT does MO know and when did she learn it?

  81. Foxtrot Says:

    This made me feel a little better about Obama thinking he is getting away with all of this. A post from another website.
    ======================

    Military Lawsuit
    written by Linda Starr, December 15, 2008

    The lawyer crafting the military lawsuit has been working with Lisa on evidence and other things they need to plead their case.

    We have all kinds of things up our sleeves. We will never stop working to expose this mess. The lawsuits will never stop until the truth is exposed. We are certain he was born in Kenya.
    We are certain he is legally a citizen of Indonesia and not even an American citizen at all. Do not let anyone convince you there are any doubts, because we do not have them.

  82. Foxtrot Says:

    Lyn– I am guessing MO knows EVERYTHING and I think she has for a long tiime!

  83. koyaan Says:

    Just got back from the Keyes press conference.

    It was, in a word, sad.

    I have to take my niece to work and stop at the grocery store. I’ll post a bit more about it and some photos when I get back.

    k

  84. Troy Says:

    Foxtrot Says:

    December 15, 2008 at 9:38 pm
    Lyn– I am guessing MO knows EVERYTHING and I think she has for a long tiime!
    ————————————————————
    Do you think she knows that he is a huge fan of sausage?

  85. Mimi Says:

    Going back to the Wrotnowski decision, I guess, the saddest thing for me was not that it was denied even, but that it was denied without a written opinion. Now we’ll never know why. Was there no merit to the application? If so, I want to know why. Or did the judges shirk their responsibility towards the Constitution? If so, what can we do to make them assume it?

  86. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Troy

    laughing as I throw a cold wet trout at you…… sausage?,….lol

  87. Troy Says:

    Hehehe

  88. Lyn Says:

    Troy Says:

    December 15, 2008 at 9:42 pm
    Foxtrot Says:

    December 15, 2008 at 9:38 pm
    Lyn– I am guessing MO knows EVERYTHING and I think she has for a long tiime!
    ————————————————————
    Do you think she knows that he is a huge fan of sausage?

    yep

  89. sliderblaze Says:

    Troy, i think it’s hot italian sausage…

  90. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    nothing big,…… just Bam bam saying his father was from kenya in one of the debates

    youtube.com/watch?v=QgRfB47atlg&watch_response

  91. sliderblaze Says:

    “Obama will report Blago contacts next week…” from drudge

    transparency and expediency we can believe in. so that will be 2-3 weeks after the story broke.

  92. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    sounds like Keyes’s conference didn’t get much attention
    we are usually up on things….. and I only happened on it by chance today

  93. sliderblaze Says:

    justanamericancindy4 Says:
    December 15, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    Troy

    laughing as I throw a cold wet trout at you…… sausage?,….lol

    as long as it’s not trout of the trouser variety….

  94. Troy Says:

    sliderblaze Says:

    December 15, 2008 at 9:50 pm
    “Obama will report Blago contacts next week…” from drudge

    transparency and expediency we can believe in. so that will be 2-3 weeks after the story broke.
    ———————————————————–
    Yep, he had to first find out who all the feds had on tape…You wouldn’t want him to expose anyone that he didn’t have to would you?…Lmaoooo

  95. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    off topic

    should be having chihuahua puppies anyday now….. god she is huge. must be at least 4 or 5 in there

  96. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    slider

    blowing a spit ball at you through a straw
    i thought of that….lol…… but only YOU would make that connection….. 🙂

  97. Troy Says:

    justanamericancindy4 Says:

    December 15, 2008 at 9:55 pm
    off topic

    should be having chihuahua puppies anyday now….. god she is huge. must be at least 4 or 5 in there
    ———————————————————-
    Who is having puppies?….Michelle?

  98. sliderblaze Says:

    Who is having puppies?….Michelle?
    —————————————

    she IS a beast

    some ice here tomorrow and wednesday so, if im not on, you know why. btw, its 61 degress right now, go figure

  99. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Troy

    ohhhhh no ,… not from a pretty Chihauhua……. now a chihuahua mix maybe…….

    like one of these……. kind of reminds me of michelle

    youtube.com/watch?v=TLZlGgsjTk0

  100. Foxtrot Says:

    Mimi Says:

    December 15, 2008 at 9:43 pm
    Going back to the Wrotnowski decision, I guess, the saddest thing for me was not that it was denied even, but that it was denied without a written opinion. Now we’ll never know why. Was there no merit to the application? If so, I want to know why. Or did the judges shirk their responsibility towards the Constitution? If so, what can we do to make them assume it?

    ==========

    Mimi – the STAY was denied.

  101. Troy Says:

    We are expecting sleet tonight here in Houston

  102. Lyn Says:

    the electors elected the Fraud Prince, so now he is the elected can he be breaking the laws that couldn’t happen until he was offically elected?

  103. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Troy

    take it as a sign,…… good or bad….. almost like hell freezing over 🙂

    you know there is a Hell Michigan…… it had a heck of a ice storm a few years back

  104. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    slider

    wasn’t it you that say you used to be a dog breeder?

  105. Troy Says:

    Obama is on TV and his lips are moving…I wonder what he is lying about now….It’s hard for me to be able to tell, since my TV automatically goes in to “mute”mode when his mug appears on the screen.

  106. Foxtrot Says:

    Slider and Troy–you are horrible! LOL!

  107. sliderblaze Says:

    ace.mu.nu/

    good writings on ace, seems obama is a shape shifter these days…the ever evolving position of barack obama

  108. sliderblaze Says:

    Foxtrot Says:
    December 15, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    Slider and Troy–you are horrible! LOL!

    ————————————————-

    we do what we can. lol

  109. Troy Says:

    you know there is a Hell Michigan…… it had a heck of a ice storm a few years back
    ————————————————————
    There is a town near me called Cut-n-Shoot…I wouldn’t advise Obama to ever visit there….No, I’m not kidding either.

  110. sliderblaze Says:

    justanamericancindy4 Says:
    December 15, 2008 at 10:04 pm

    slider

    wasn’t it you that say you used to be a dog breeder?

    ————————————-
    yes, great danes

  111. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Maybe someone here can help me figure this out (Fox?) When the docket says the STAY was denied what is the implication? The action requested was refused but the legal arguement is still open? I don’t understand all the minutia (hell, I don’t even understand some of the bigger concepts) of legal wrangling! If only the stay was denied, is it still possible the court would like to hear the finer points of the case? HELP!

  112. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    I thought so,…… I think you were telling me that long ago at API

  113. Troy Says:

    sliderblaze Says:

    December 15, 2008 at 10:08 pm
    justanamericancindy4 Says:
    December 15, 2008 at 10:04 pm

    slider

    wasn’t it you that say you used to be a dog breeder?

    ————————————-
    yes, great danes

    ———————————————————-
    Wow, those are big dogs…Just about the right height for breeding huh?….You sick bastid!!!!!….Lmaoooooo

  114. sliderblaze Says:

    Troy Says:
    December 15, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    you know there is a Hell Michigan…… it had a heck of a ice storm a few years back
    ————————————————————
    There is a town near me called Cut-n-Shoot…I wouldn’t advise Obama to ever visit there….No, I’m not kidding either.

    ———————————————-
    Obama is looking to vacation in the town of Neil n Bob

  115. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Slider

    my Blue Chihuahua is about ready to burst….. she is on day 57 now. and they are known to go early.. I am just hoping it’s many puppies and not large ones…… hate to have to rush her to the vet for a c-section because she can’t deliver

  116. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    troy

    lol just laughing,…….. can’t even go there to respond to that one

  117. sliderblaze Says:

    Y troy, how tall are you, you need a job? lol

  118. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    I heard Bo is going to Hawaii the 20th for the holidays….

  119. Troy Says:

    Lmaooo

  120. Foxtrot Says:

    Mom– in a word, “yes”. The “stay” was to stop the process of the Electoral College, the case is another matter. Just like with Berg.

  121. Troy Says:

    justanamericancindy4 Says:

    December 15, 2008 at 10:16 pm
    I heard Bo is going to Hawaii the 20th for the holidays….
    ———————————————————–
    I didn’t know there was a holiday for birth certificate wrangling.

  122. Foxtrot Says:

    I guess Barry is finally going to pay his respects to Granny after all! Better late than never!

  123. amy Says:

    Just fininshed reading a COMMENT on Americas Right that stated US Supreme Court cannot act on pres eligibility cases until AFTER the ELECTORAL College votes or Congress acts.. )Nothing to do with injunctions or stays)..

  124. Foxtrot Says:

    Rose–is that not correct about the case versus the “stay”? Correct me if I am wrong.

  125. Troy Says:

    amy Says:

    December 15, 2008 at 10:20 pm
    Just fininshed reading a COMMENT on Americas Right that stated US Supreme Court cannot act on pres eligibility cases until AFTER the ELECTORAL College votes or Congress acts.. )Nothing to do with injunctions or stays)..
    ———————————————————–
    I sure hope that has bearing on current events

  126. thinkingmom11 Says:

    So, Fox, why does it seem that Leo and Cort just gave up? If indeed the case is still pending – why are they acting like it is all over?

  127. Foxtrot Says:

    From another site:

    Arlen Williams said…
    JS:

    The cases have not been denied. Donofrio v. Wells has not been denied. I expect that while stays have not been issued based upon Wrotnowski v. Bysiewicz, that it will not be denied today, either.

    Donofrio v. Wells, the case, is pending. Expect all to pile up as pending until after the Congress (allegedly) certifies the Electoral College vote.

    That is when it may hit the Fed Fan up the hill at the SCOTUS.

  128. Foxtrot Says:

    MIDDLE CLASS GUY said…
    Lightfoot v. Bowen has been denied by Justice Kennedy.

    Not talked about much but Berg filed another emergency stay after being denied by Justice Souter last week. He filed on 12/12/08 with Justice Kennedy. Anyone hear any follow up on that application?

  129. amy Says:

    I urge all of you to contact your senator and Rep to ask they refuse the Electoral count due to the eligibility questions. All it takes is one of each, but the more, the better.

  130. Foxtrot Says:

    I would like to take this bloggers comment, as it is smart and optimistic!
    ———————-

    Janet said…
    Oh wait. Let’s just try to look at this the optimistic way; let’s see the silver lining or the glass as half full. OK, stop throwing tomatoes at the screen now. Let’s try this:

    The cases are still pending, only the stays have been denied BECAUSE ….. the justices WANT the electoral vote to happen!
    For four reasons:

    1. THEY do not want to be the only ones blamed for upsetting the apple cart.

    2. THEY want Patrick Fitzgerald to have the time to let the whole Blago-Rezko-Obamo scene play out so the public will start turning against Obama which would lessen the craziness that would ensue when he is forced to step down.

    3. THEY want Obama to show his proof on his own rather than be forced to (won’t happen).

    4. THEY realize that they cannot unseat a usurper until he BECOMES a usurper on January 8th.

    All I can say is … start storing edibles and bottles of water so you can stay safely home if necessary. Also candles and fireplace logs if you have one. I’ve already started.

  131. Foxtrot Says:

    Bill G said…
    SCOTUS denied Stays for Leo’s and Cort’s cases; the cases requesting a writ remain pending. Why has SCOTUS not denied the writs? Anyone have reliable information on what this may mean?

  132. hockeyfan530 Says:

    perhaps the SC doesn’t want to make a judgement until they are FORCED to. Maybe after the certification of the electoral votes. They may feel the issue needs to be resolved by that process. Since bambam hasn’t been elected yet there is no contitutional issue?

  133. amy Says:

    If any republican senator or member of the House refuses to accept the votes on those grounds, there will be a real war on the floor, and in the end, the US Supreme Court will have to settle it.. This is NOT over.

  134. Foxtrot Says:

    Bear with me here! Maybe, just maybe, SCOTUS is denying these cases because the Constitution relates to a candidate “holding” office, not “running” for office!!!!!! My sister is an attorney and she just emailed me that thought. Interesting!!

  135. sliderblaze Says:

    drudgereport.com/ <—–they need to switch make up people, they both looking sporting a complection ANNE FRANK would be proud of.

  136. Troy Says:

    amy Says:

    December 15, 2008 at 10:29 pm
    If any republican senator or member of the House refuses to accept the votes on those grounds, there will be a real war on the floor,
    ————————————————————
    Now that would be sweet….I would pay to watch sling some fists.

  137. Lyn Says:

    Fox that’s what I was tryong to ask at 10:03

  138. hockeyfan530 Says:

    if bambam is denied on jan 8 by the verification of elec. votes who then decides who will be the president if bambam isn’t found eligible? If congress does maybe this has been a plan to get the Dems in office and they knew they could use bambam and the race card so the Dems would be guaranteed a victory? just sayin’

  139. cynkading Says:

    Hello everyone. I am also mostly a lurker. Have been following this site for a few weeks since the API debacle. Just so thankful to actually be able to read and study up on the latest events regarding As The Obama World Turns. Really appreciate all of the useful information and light hearty banter.

  140. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    I think it takes 2,…… one of each….. one Senator,…. one Representative

  141. Foxtrot Says:

    Be back in a few!

  142. Troy Says:

    hockeyfan530 Says:

    December 15, 2008 at 10:37 pm
    if bambam is denied on jan 8 by the verification of elec. votes who then decides who will be the president if bambam isn’t found eligible? If congress does maybe this has been a plan to get the Dems in office and they knew they could use bambam and the race card so the Dems would be guaranteed a victory? just sayin’
    ———————————————————–
    Biden would be a temporary….The 20th Amendment would be evoked and a new election would be held.

  143. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    great post by another blogger
    ____________________
    Wrotnowksi (CT) case for STAY/INJUNCTION is Denied

    This is the second such petition to be denied without comment. The previous one had some procedural peculiarities, this one was solid. So one can deduce two things: 1) The court has no interesting in meddling in the PROCESS, or 2) The TIMING is not ripe.

    There are several more petitions for stays or injunctions in the pipeline. If #1 then these will all fail also. If #2 then there is moderate hope for some of the others. Please note that several petitions (with MANY more coming) are also before the court that request a decision on various aspects of the election, verification, birth, and citizenship issues – both for Obama and for all future elections. It is not yet known how, when, or if any of these will be taken up by the court. But clearly time is running out.

    In defense of the “ripe timing” concept, consider this. The extreme form of this argument is that no crime has yet been committed, so there is no role for the Supreme Court. Such actual crime may not be viewed as to have happened until the congress accepts and validates the elector’s votes on January 8. This is the date that the candidate, in contrast to common usage, actually becomes the President Elect.

    There are also dozens of lawsuits in various state courts. In these cases the timing IS ripe because they all assert that state officials have committed a misfeasance in not properly insuring the integrity of the ballots for the general election.

    Also, today is Electoral College day. It will be interesting to see what happens. The results are generally a foregone conclusion and the proceedings are not watched or reported. This year things could be different. It is known that many electors have grave concerns. It is also known that many electors have engaged legal counsel to get advice on the current dicey situation. If the EC becomes anything more than a rubber stamp, their votes may not actually happen in one day. For instance, they could demand to see some better information from Obama before voting.

    In the end, however, it is unlikely that the EC will end up much different than a rubber stamp. Due to popular education almost everybody thinks the electors are MESSENGERS not DECIDERS. It is likely that many of the electors don’t even know their true purpose! On the other hand – if one considers the US Constitution and not various state laws and practices – THIS IS THE FIRST PLACE (AND MAYBE THE ONLY PLACE) WHERE THINGS LIKE ELIGIBILITY CAN ACTUALLY BE ADDRESSED.

    I suppose that means that electors can actually be sued for misfeasance as well. This could get really messy. All because the candidate refuses to provide some simple and common documents that have been provided by everyone else. Just astounding.

    And yes, just the fact that all this is going on is NEWS!

    Even if you believe that Obama is squeaky clean or that all this hullabaloo is because of sore losers – you still don’t want a precedent for all future elections that documents don’t have to be provided. Frightening and outrageous.

  144. Lyn Says:

    Troy Says:

    December 15, 2008 at 10:41 pm
    hockeyfan530 Says:

    December 15, 2008 at 10:37 pm
    if bambam is denied on jan 8 by the verification of elec. votes who then decides who will be the president if bambam isn’t found eligible? If congress does maybe this has been a plan to get the Dems in office and they knew they could use bambam and the race card so the Dems would be guaranteed a victory? just sayin’
    ———————————————————–
    Biden would be a temporary….The 20th Amendment would be evoked and a new election would be held.

    I thought Biden would be temp then the Congress/senate would pick someone.

  145. Troy Says:

    Biden would be a temporary….The 20th Amendment would be evoked and a new election would be held.

    I thought Biden would be temp then the Congress/senate would pick someone.
    ———————————————————–
    Nope….The constitution has put clear procedures in place for this scenario

  146. Lyn Says:

    Did anyone see Jimmy’s site where he is posting pics people sent to Chief? I wonder if any of the people he posted (there are 3 now) know he is posting them

  147. Foxtrot Says:

    According to a friend of mine who is a political junkie and a high powered attorney in Chicago (not my sister), he stated that if SCOTUS decides Obama is ineligible after the 8th then Congress then steps in and chooses a President. Bush could enact the remote/rare clause where he stays on for a short time, while they get the new President to transition. That is my understanding as well. It is so difficult since there is no precedent here.

  148. Troy Says:

    Lyn Says:

    December 15, 2008 at 11:01 pm
    Did anyone see Jimmy’s site where he is posting pics people sent to Chief? I wonder if any of the people he posted (there are 3 now) know he is posting them
    ———————————————————–
    Who is this Jimmy person?

  149. Foxtrot Says:

    That is, of course, assuming that Biden and Obama have not been sworn in yet. If Biden and Obama are sworn in, then Biden would become President permanently and would have to select a Vice President.

  150. Lyn Says:

    Foxtrot Says:

    December 15, 2008 at 11:06 pm
    That’s what I read but can’t remember where, it was a few places

  151. Lyn Says:

    API night guy, supposedly writng a book

  152. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Biden could select his own vice president like Nixon did then gain approval from house .

    Didn’t Chester Arthur serve without a vice President?

  153. Lyn Says:

    Jimmy’s site wioth pics poeple supposedly sent Chief (api) http://americanfearselection2008.wordpress.com/category/uncategorized/

  154. Troy Says:

    Foxtrot Says:

    December 15, 2008 at 11:08 pm
    That is, of course, assuming that Biden and Obama have not been sworn in yet. If Biden and Obama are sworn in, then Biden would become President permanently and would have to select a Vice President.
    ———————————————————–
    I don’t think that is correct….After sworn in, Biden would be pres upon a death of his pres or impeachment of…If his pres was found to have never been eligible then Biden would be the V pres from a fraudulent ballot

  155. koyaan Says:

    Ok, photos.

    I THINK these were the Keyes people.

    I arrived at 12:30 sharp and didn’t see anything else going on around the capitol building except some anti-death penalty people holding up a big ass banner up further on the north steps.

    About two hours before the conference was scheduled, I tried calling “Conference Contact” Tony Andrade to confirm the actual location of the press conference, but got no answer. I also sent him an EMail but never received any reply.

    As I was walking up, the guy in the hat was showing what appeared to be a printed copy of a COLB to the cameraman so he could zoom in on it.

    Anyone recognize the guy in the hat and the tall thin bald guy?

    q-audio.com/images/keyes_pc1.jpg

    q-audio.com/images/keyes_pc2.jpg

    q-audio.com/images/keyes_pc3.jpg

    k

  156. Lyn Says:

    Jimmy’s site wioth pics poeple supposedly sent Chief (api) americanfearselection2008.wordpress.com/category/uncategorized/

  157. Foxtrot Says:

    Lyn– your posting made it appear that it was me saying those words from a previous post. But thanks for “having my back”. 😉

  158. Foxtrot Says:

    Lyn– API and Korir are completely false. What a moron he is! He has wasted so much time trying to con people. I hope someone does file a lawsuit against him, as the commenters stated on that site.

  159. Lyn Says:

    sorry

  160. Foxtrot Says:

    I would rather Congress choose the next President than have Biden take over. Although, at least we know he is “natural born”!

  161. Lyn Says:

    I was reaiding the comments (yes I know they are frauds) and it looks like the grandmom and baby pic at Jimmy’s site is susiehudson

  162. Foxtrot Says:

    Lyn– you don’ t have to be sorry. Golly!

  163. Foxtrot Says:

    Why does susiehudson sound familiar?

  164. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    fox

    she has posted here a couple of times

  165. Foxtrot Says:

    That’s it! I thought so, but wasn’t sure. When she posted, didn’t she say she was not going to go to API anymore and that she was through with Korir and his lies????

  166. Foxtrot Says:

    Korir must have that Jim Jones lock on her!

  167. koyaan Says:

    Ok, I’m pretty sure it was them.

    The guy in the hat appears to be Wiley Drake, and the tall thin bald guy Markham Robinson.

    k

  168. Lyn Says:

    Foxtrot Says:

    December 15, 2008 at 11:31 pm
    That’s it! I thought so, but wasn’t sure. When she posted, didn’t she say she was not going to go to API anymore and that she was through with Korir and his lies????

    yep…or should I say you betcha?

  169. Foxtrot Says:

    Koyaan–how do you know Wiley Drake??? Or, for that matter, Markham Robinson??? Did they introduce themselves?

  170. Foxtrot Says:

    More importantly, did you actually hear the press conference? Not that you would give us a positive slant on it anyway, but I am curious.

  171. jjones Says:

    Truly a sad day…
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28241363/

    I think gonna go get drunk 😦

  172. amy Says:

    Wait! I thought the Elector votes are sealed and not counted until Jan 8????

  173. Troy Says:

    Jeff seems to think that both Donofrio and Wrotnowski’s cases are final in all aspects.

    http//
    www
    americasright.com/

  174. Mimi Says:

    “Lightfoot v. Bowen has been denied by Justice Kennedy.”

    Why? Gail Lightfoot has standing, doesn’t she? She was Ron Paul’s running mate. How could they do this? What is going on?

  175. Foxtrot Says:

    Written by Linda Starr:

    The evidence piling up is pretty overwhelmingly against BO’s birth in Hawaii.

    And I haven’t even told you about our evidence. It will be devastating to BO’s claims of natural born citizenship though. I do believe they think because BO helped strong arm the president of Kenya to make his cousin, Odinga, Prime Minister, that the truth about BO’s birthplace is safe because Odinga ordered BO’s birth records in Kenya sealed up. They are assuming no one acquired them anyway. In a country so rife with corruption, where everything has a price, anything can be bought if the price is right. And with such rampant abject poverty, American dollars are like gold in Kenya.

    You all do realize Jerome Corsi hs been in touch with Phil & Lisa, right? To me, that begs the question whether he told Phi and/or Lisa things he doesn’t want known publicly yet. He’s writing a new book. Of course he hasn’t made all the details public, or he wouldn’t have new revelations to put in his book to sell

  176. Troy Says:

    amy Says:

    December 15, 2008 at 11:46 pm
    Wait! I thought the Elector votes are sealed and not counted until Jan 8????
    ———————————————————–
    That is how it is suppose to be….Any report from Obama cheerleader, MSNBC, is a joke.

  177. rosettasister Says:

    cynkading Says:
    December 15, 2008 at 10:38 pm

    Hello everyone. I am also mostly a lurker. Have been following this site for a few weeks since the API debacle. Just so thankful to actually be able to read and study up on the latest events regarding As The Obama World Turns. Really appreciate all of the useful information and light hearty banter.

    ———————

    Welcome, cynkading!

    Sorry you were stuck in moderation.

    You should be able to post at will now.

    Rosetta

  178. Foxtrot Says:

    This is comforting in this dark time for all of us.
    —————————–

    written by Linda Starr, December 15, 2008

    Since we know and can prove that the COLB displayed on his webiste is a forgery, BO can be prosecuted for a multitude of crimes. It would start with forgery of an official government document. It would include such crimes as falsifying a government seal, forging a government official’s signature. Every instance that forged COLB has been used (I presume that might include every hit to view it online as well) would be a new count of fraud and forgery and each of the other crimes I listed.

    Then we have the matter of adding fraud to every instance where it was used. We have mail and wire fraud to raise funds fraudulently. Fraud via airwaves, for all radio and tv ads. His sister and wife would be under a heavy cloud as they surely knew the truth and went along with it, adding such charges as conspiracy to committ fraud, conspiracy to falsify a gornment seal and an official signature, conspiracy to committ mail fraud and wire fraud and the list goes on and on and on. All of their assets would be seized. I do think all three of them would go to jail for most, if not all, of the rest of their lives. Obama could never be released because of national security briefings.

    BO would be charged with making false sworn affidavits to file his candidacy in all 50 states and US territories. Since Howard Dean, Pelosi, Reid and Feisntein all failed to perform due diligence and force him to verify the COLB once the suits were filed, they could be charged as co-conspirators to aid and abett the coverup of all these other crimes. The charges they could face are staggering. DNC leadership could be charged as co-conspirators. The disasters to come would overwhelm our country trying to clean up the mess. I honeslty don’t know if the DNC or this country could survive it all.

    The judges who refused to hear these cases would all have grievances filed against them and they might be removed from the bench for failing to uphold the Constitution. Now I realize I am listing worse case scenario’s here, but you are asking about possible crimes and results, and I am including all possible ripple effects against people whose jobs it was to vet this guy and how it will harm so many people that they didn’t do their jobs. I think Gov Blago will be the door the DOJ uses to open to get Obama for other crimes, and removed, trying to avoid the above scenarios. The Conspiracy to aid and abett the cover up is pretty widespread.

  179. Bones Says:

    Regarding API, yes, they know. There is an attorney involved. All will be well soon in that sick little world.

  180. Ted Says:

    SCOTUS has now prevented itself from acknowleding the question whether Obama is or is not a “natural born citizen” (as distinguished from “citizen”) three times and counting: First before the Nov 4 general election and twice before the Dec 15 vote of the College of Electors. Other cases on the same question are at, or are heading to, SCOTUS. Whether SCOTUS ultimately decides if Obama is or is not a “natural born citizen” only after the Electors vote, only after Congress acts on the Electors’ vote, prior to Obama’s inauguration, or only after Obama’s inauguration, SCOTUS will have to decide — or the people and/or the military will. The issue no longer is Obama. The issue is SCOTUS.

  181. thinkingmom11 Says:

    oooooooo – everytime someone looks at his birth certificate can be another count against him?????!!!!! Where is that darn thing I wanna look at it at least another 100 or so times just to be EXTRA SURE he was born in Hawaii…………anyone coming with me!!?

  182. Foxtrot Says:

    The headline for the most recent NoQuarter article made me laugh out loud (even though it really isn’t funny). However, I am certain we are in for more of the same if Obama does make it to the White House.

    The title was:

    “Barack Obama: I investigaged myself, and I Decided I am innocent”

    Unbelievable!!! And the fact that the MSM is basically mimmicking that as gospel for him being innocent in the Illinois scandal with the Governor! Wow!

  183. Foxtrot Says:

    I’m with you Mom!

  184. koyaan Says:

    Foxtrot wrote:

    Koyaan–how do you know Wiley Drake??? Or, for that matter, Markham Robinson??? Did they introduce themselves?

    I did a Google image search on them. I’m not entirely sure about Drak, but the other guy I’m quite certain was Markham Robinson.

    christianpoliticaltheory.com/images/MarkFace.jpg

    k

  185. Foxtrot Says:

    Thank you for answering, Koyaan.

  186. jjones Says:

    Mom,
    I was thinking the same thing…. go to the site and hit F5 a few hundred times 🙂

  187. Foxtrot Says:

    Oops–typo! Should be “Barack Obama: I investigated myself and I decided I am innocent”

  188. koyaan Says:

    Foxtrot wrote:

    More importantly, did you actually hear the press conference? Not that you would give us a positive slant on it anyway, but I am curious.

    Well, there really wasn’t anything to hear. From the time I first drove by at 12:30, until the time I left about a half hour later, the only talking going on was the tall thin bald guy talking on his cellphone. I think he was giving an interview to someone or something.

    Unless they did it all before the actual scheduled time, no one gave a speech or anything. It was just a couple camera guys shooting some video while the bald guy talked on his cellphone and the guy in the hat pulled some stuff out of an envelope for the camera guys to shoot.

    That’s it. Nothing positive or negative to say.

    k

  189. thinkingmom11 Says:

    I really struggled with whether I could go. I ultimately decided that it would be a bad idea as my two young ones were VERY tired and my 10 yo would not get her butt in gear and wanted to go only because it was going to get her out of her school work SO I decided against going…glad I didn’t if that is all there was to it…I would have been p!ssed…

  190. Foxtrot Says:

    Koyaan– thanks. They must have made the announcement before you got there. I will be interested to see what they have to say when they post here at this site in a few days.

  191. koyaan Says:

    Foxtrot, here’s a side-by-side comparison of the guy at the capitol building and a photo of Markham.

    What do you think? I’m pretty sure it’s him (albeit a bit older than in that photograph).

    q-audio.com/images/markham.jpg

    k

  192. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Bones,

    I’m sorry things happened the way they did with API….You are very welcome here

  193. thinkingmom11 Says:

    I think that is Markham…is he the guy you spoke to earlier Foxtrot?

  194. Foxtrot Says:

    Koyaan — looks like the same guy to me!

    Mom–yes, Markham is the guy I spoke to today.

  195. koyaan Says:

    thinkingmom11 wrote:

    I really struggled with whether I could go. I ultimately decided that it would be a bad idea as my two young ones were VERY tired and my 10 yo would not get her butt in gear…

    Yeah, not to mention that mean ol’ Koyaan was going to be there too. 😉

    But yeah, unless you wanted to stick around and talk to them, it wouldn’t have been worth any lengthy drive.

    k

  196. Lyn Says:

    armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/
    3rd Infantry’s 1st BCT trains for a new dwell-time mission. Helping ‘people at home’ may become a permanent part of the active Army
    By Gina Cavallaro – Staff writer
    Posted : Tuesday Sep 30, 2008 16:16:12 EDT

    The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys.

    Now they’re training for the same mission — with a twist — at home.

    Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.

    It is not the first time an active-duty unit has been tapped to help at home. In August 2005, for example, when Hurricane Katrina unleashed hell in Mississippi and Louisiana, several active-duty units were pulled from various posts and mobilized to those areas.

    But this new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities.

    After 1st BCT finishes its dwell-time mission, expectations are that another, as yet unnamed, active-duty brigade will take over and that the mission will be a permanent one.

    “Right now, the response force requirement will be an enduring mission. How the [Defense Department] chooses to source that and whether or not they continue to assign them to NorthCom, that could change in the future,” said Army Col. Louis Vogler, chief of NorthCom future operations. “Now, the plan is to assign a force every year.”

    The command is at Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado Springs, Colo., but the soldiers with 1st BCT, who returned in April after 15 months in Iraq, will operate out of their home post at Fort Stewart, Ga., where they’ll be able to go to school, spend time with their families and train for their new homeland mission as well as the counterinsurgency mission in the war zones.

    Stop-loss will not be in effect, so soldiers will be able to leave the Army or move to new assignments during the mission, and the operational tempo will be variable.

    Don’t look for any extra time off, though. The at-home mission does not take the place of scheduled combat-zone deployments and will take place during the so-called dwell time a unit gets to reset and regenerate after a deployment.

    The 1st of the 3rd is still scheduled to deploy to either Iraq or Afghanistan in early 2010, which means the soldiers will have been home a minimum of 20 months by the time they ship out.

    In the meantime, they’ll learn new skills, use some of the ones they acquired in the war zone and more than likely will not be shot at while doing any of it.
    more

  197. jjones Says:

    Hmmm… maybe Fox was the person he was talking to when Koyaan was there?

  198. rosettasister Says:

    New Thread:

    https://rosettasister.wordpress.com/2008/12/16/don-mclean-lori-lieberman-and-roberta-flack-%e2%80%93-%e2%80%9ckilling-me-softly%e2%80%9d-the-lyrics-that-inspired-the-lyrics/

  199. Foxtrot Says:

    LOL jjones! No, I spoke to him before the news conference!

  200. koyaan Says:

    Foxtrot wrote:

    Koyaan– thanks. They must have made the announcement before you got there.

    Perhaps.

    But you’d think they’d have waited at least until the time it was scheduled to do that. I mean, what’s the point of telling everyone you’re going to have a press conference at 12:30 only to say what you’re going to say before 12:30?

    Ah well. If nothing else I had a nice drive downtown and I always love visiting the capitol building.

    k

  201. Foxtrot Says:

    Koyaan — you should have approached them to ask questions! I would have!

  202. koyaan Says:

    Foxtrot wrote:

    Koyaan — you should have approached them to ask questions! I would have!

    Nah. Any questions I’d have asked would likely just piss ’em off. 😉

    Besides, I didn’t really have the luxury of time. I had to get back and take my niece to work.

    k

  203. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Hi Everyone,

    Here’s an interesting post. Again, it had to be translated from Indonesian and there are a few words left to translate–

    There were some things I found interesting, don’t know that they are helpful. I’ll give more detail later. Seems like Stanley was older than Obama and that they got married without her parents consent, she became pregnant with Jr. less than three months later or so. Going to read more –back soon.

    Stanley Ann Dunham: Stanley name, the name of men krn Stanley’s father wanted the children to men.

    Ibu Obama, wanita idealis. Obama mothers, women idealist. Penuh impian. Full dream. Saat baru 17 tahun bertemu pria Kenya yang jauh lebih tua (belum tahu kalau si pria sudah punya isteri dan anak). When the new 17-year-old Kenyan man met the much older (not yet know if the men have wives and children). Percaya penuh dan setelah hamil 3 bulan dinikahi Obama Sr. Full trust and after 3 months pregnant dinikahi Obama Sr..
    Pernikahan tanpa persetujuan orang tua dari kedua pihak. Marriage without parental consent from both parties. Kemduian ditinggal begitu saja oleh Obama Sr dan mencoba menyusul ke Boston tempat dimana Obama Sr mendapat beasiswa untuk meraih Ph D dari Harvard. Kemduian abandoned it by Obama Sr. and trying to overtake Boston, where Obama Sr. to get scholarships to reach a Ph D from Harvard. Ketemu dan berpisah lagi untuk selamanya (mungkin tahu akhirnya bhw Obama Sr sudah berkeluarga). Found and separated again for life (may finally know bhw Obama Sr., results). Melanjutkan sekolah sampai Ph D sambil kerja di Indonesia sbg pekerja sosial. Continuing the school to Ph D while working in Indonesia mediate social workers.

    Madelyn Dunham: nenek Obama Jr – wanita yang praktis, berbakat dan berhasil sbg wanita karier. Madelyn Dunham: grandmother Obama Jr. – a practical woman, talented and successful career woman mediate. Cuma lulusan SMA, mulai kerja di pool sekretariat di bank. Just graduated from high school, began working in the pool at the secretariat of the bank. VP Bank of Hawaii. VP Bank of Hawaii. Mungkin wanita ini yang sebetulnya membiayai sekolah Obama.Stanley Ann karena hidup perkawinannya cerai 2x katanya pernah hidup dari food stamp. Maybe this woman who actually pay the school Obama.Stanley Ann marriage alive because he had divorced 2x live from the food stamp.
    Stanley Dunham; kakek Obama – kurang berhasil dalam pekerjaannya. Stanley Dunham; grandfather Obama – less successful in their jobs. Jualan asuransi dan Obama kecil mengalami sendiri betapa susahnya si kakek ini berusaha mencari uang. Sale of small Obama insurance and their own experience how difficult the grandfather tried to find this money.

    Barrack Obama Sr: Dalam hubungan dengan Stanley Ann, Obama Kurang jujur – tidak mau mengatakan bahwa dia sebetulnya sudah beristeri. Barrack Obama Sr.: In connection with the Stanley Ann, Obama Less honest – do not want to say that he is actually beristeri. Tokoh yang berpibadi karismatik, egoistik & sangat cerdas, a leader in waiting for Kenya tapi sayang dari suku yang lawan dari sukunya pemimpin Kenya waktu itu. Berpibadi charismatic leaders who, egoistik & very smart, a leader in waiting for Kenya, but the opponents of the tribe from Kenya sukunya leaders at that time. Orang yang amat cerdas secara akademis tapi hidupnya berakhir tragis akibat kecelakaan mobil. People who are very intelligent academic, but his life ended tragically as a result of car accidents. Meninggalkan 3 isteri. 3 leave the wife. Anak anaknya kecuali Obama Jr kelihatannya tidak begitu terurus & berpendidikan, Berita terakhir menyebutkan ada adik Obama yang hidup bak gelandangan. Children’s children, except Obama Jr. does not seem so organized and educated, News last mentioned that there are younger Obama vessel vagabond life.

  204. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Seems by that (my last post) also that Barack Sr. left the U at HI to get his Phd at Harvard insteado of finishing there…I thought he graduated at HI and the went to Harvard– m’bad!

  205. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    K said, Nah. Any questions I’d have asked would likely just piss ‘em off.

    Nope, K– you would have probably been safe, since I wasn’t there! Just kidding– have a good evening–

    Peace–

  206. Ted Says:

    Since the Supreme Court has now prevented itself from acknowledging the question of whether Barack H. Obama is or is not an Article II “natural born citizen” based on the Kenyan/British citizenship of Barack Obama’s father at the time of his birth (irrespective of whether Barack Obama is deemed a “citizen” born in Hawaii or otherwise) as a prerequisite to qualifying to serve as President of the United States under the Constitution — the Court having done so three times and counting, first before the Nov 4 general election and twice before the Dec 15 vote of the College of Electors — it would seem appropriate, if not necessary, for all Executive Branch departments and agencies to secure advance formal advice from the United States Department of Justice Office of Legal Counsel as to how to respond to expected inquiries from federal employees who are pledged to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States” as to whether they are governed by laws, regulations, orders and directives issued under Mr. Obama during such periods that said employees, by the weight of existing legal authority and prior to a decision by the Supreme Court, believe in good faith that Mr. Obama is not an Article II “natural born citizen”.

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