Dolley Madison, George Washington, The Tornado and the Burning of Washington in 1814

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Portrait of Dolley Madison – White House Collection

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The portrait of Washington saved by Dolley Madison – White House Collection

http://www.whitehousehistory.org/04/subs/04_b_1812.html

The Madison White House

The White House has been an evolving structure since George Washington oversaw its design and construction. Early on, the house required considerable work to simply to make it habitable. But by the time James and Dolley Madison moved in (1809) the exterior had remained mostly constant and the White House had begun to emerge as a symbol of U.S. leadership. At the same time, the interior of the President’s House, as it was formally known, needed much attention. Working with architect Benjamin Henry Latrobe, Dolley Madison took responsibility for decorating and furnishing the White House with the enthusiasm and energy she applied to all of her endeavors. Changes occurred quickly. Fresh plaster and paint appeared in the rooms and new upholstered furniture and draperies were designed and made. The new furniture featured fashionable Grecian or neo-classical influences but, never forgetting what the President’s House represented, the pieces were made in America. Artwork depicted important Americans and American themes. Mrs. Madison actively participated in the decorating including making the choice of red silk-velvet curtains for the drawing room over Latrobe’s loud protests. The end result was glamorous and provided the Madisons with a home in which they could entertain graciously and effectively.

The enjoyment of the renovations was short-lived. British troops burned the White House on the night of August 24-25, 1814. Most historical accounts reveal that they took pleasure in setting fire to the structure that represented a former colony and upstart nation. Although Dolley Madison fled the White House only hours earlier, taking with her state papers, important pieces of silver and the ultimate symbol of the country, the full length portrait of George Washington, she had expected to serve dinner to 40 military and cabinet officers accompanied by her husband. Instead, the British troops consumed the meal. They looted the house and then set fire to it. The house that had been the site of so many happy occasions was in ruins. All that remained were the scorched sandstone walls. Dolley Madison was distraught when she first returned to view the destruction. Although the Madisons would never live in the White House again, they were committed to the reconstruction of the house and to the resurrection of it as a symbol of the republic.

http://www.weatherbook.com/1814.htm

The Tornado and the Burning of

Washington, August 25, 1814

On the morning of August 25, Washington was still burning. Throughout the morning and early afternoon, the British soldiers continued to set fires and destroy ammunition supplies and defenses around the city. As the soldiers spread fire and destruction throughout the city, the early afternoon sky began to darken and lightning and thunder signaled the approach of a thunderstorm. As the storm neared the city, the winds began to increase dramatically and then built into a “frightening roar.” A severe thunderstorm was bearing down on Washington, and with it was a tornado.

The tornado tore through the center of Washington and directly into the British occupation. Buildings were lifted off of their foundations and dashed to bits. Other buildings were blown down or lost their roofs. Feather beds were sucked out of homes and scattered about. Trees were uprooted, fences were blown down, and the heavy chain bridge across the Potomac River was buckled and rendered useless. A few British cannons were picked up by the winds and thrown through the air. The collapsing buildings and flying debris killed several British soldiers. Many of the soldiers did not have time to take cover from the winds and they laid face down in the streets. One account describes how a British officer on horseback did not dismount and the winds slammed both horse and rider violently to the ground.

The winds subsided quickly, but the rain fell in torrents for two hours. (There may have been a second thunderstorm that followed quickly after the first thunderstorm.) Fortunately, the heavy rain quenched most of the flames and prevented Washington from continuing to burn. After the storm, the British Army regrouped on Capitol Hill, still a bit shaken by the harsh weather. They decided to leave the city that evening. As the British troops were preparing to leave, a conversation was noted between the British Admiral and a Washington lady regarding the storm: The admiral exclaimed, “Great God, Madam! Is this the kind of storm to which you are accustomed in this infernal country?” The lady answered, “No, Sir, this is a special interposition of Providence to drive our enemies from our city.” The admiral replied, “Not so Madam. It is rather to aid your enemies in the destruction of your city.”

Hours later, the British forces left Washington and returned to their ships on the Patuxent River. The journey back was made difficult by the numerous downed trees that lay across the roads. The war ships that lay waiting for the British force had also encountered the fierce storm. Wind and waves had lashed at the ships and many had damaged riggings. Two vessels had broken free from their moorings and were blown ashore.

President Madison and other government officials returned to Washington and began the difficult process of setting up government in a city devastated by fire and wind. Never again would the British Army return to the city, and only rarely would Washington suffer damaging tornadoes.

1814

The British army invaded Washington and set fire to the city on August 24, 1814. A day later, a line of severe thunderstorms spawned a tornado in Washington that killed several British soldiers and caused significant damage to the city. Heavy rain associated with the storm helped extinguish the fires that burned throughout Washington.

Phil Berg Barack Obama Ron Polarik Jeff Schreiber

278 Responses to “Dolley Madison, George Washington, The Tornado and the Burning of Washington in 1814”

  1. Foxtrot Says:

    Ooooooo! New thread!

  2. j.b. Says:

    Foxtrot was fiiiiirrrrrrrrst!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  3. j.b. Says:

    🙂 How was your par-tay?

  4. Foxtrot Says:

    It was wonderful! Everyone seemed to have a good time. Was on my feet for 18 hours yesterday. The old back just “ain’t what it used to be”. Food, games and gifts were loved by all! Thanks for asking. How was your weekend?

  5. rosettasister Says:

    “Questions Remain”

    Tags:

    Not Credible Obama Rod Blagojevich RNC Illinois Senate Seat

    Special election Appointment Chicago

  6. Foxtrot Says:

    So, Factcheck.org is no longer in business? Hmmmmmmmm! The timing seems a bit suspicious, doesn’t it?

  7. Foxtrot Says:

    We should all never forget this interview Obama gave and reflect upon that this man won the election and may be our next POTUS! I, for one, am appalled everytime I read it.
    ==============

    Quote from the mouth of Sen. Obama himself from Sundays Meet the
    Press:

    “As I’ve said about the flag pin, I don’t want to be perceived as
    taking sides, Obama said. ‘There are a lot of people in the world to

    whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression. And the anthem
    itself conveys a war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in
    air and all. It should be swapped for something less parochial and
    less bellicose. I like the song ‘I’d Like To Teach the World To
    Sing.’ If that were our anthem, then I might salute it.’We should
    consider to reinvent our National Anthem as well as to redesign our
    Flag to better offer our enemies hope and love. It’s my intention, if
    elected, to disarm America to the level of acceptance to our Middle
    East Brethren. If we as a Nation of warring people, should conduct
    ourselves as the nations of Islam, whereas peace prevails. Perhaps a

    state or period of mutual concord between our governments. When I
    become President, I will seek a pact or agreement to end hostilities

    between those who have been at war or in a state of enmity, and a
    freedom from disquieting oppressive thoughts. We as a Nation have
    placed upon the nations of Islam an unfair injustice. My wife
    disrespects the Flag for many personal reasons. Together she and I
    have attended several flag burning ceremonies in the past, many years
    ago. I will use my power to bring CHANGE to this Nation, and offer the
    people a new path of hope. My wife and I look forward to becoming our
    Country’s First Family. Indeed, CHANGE is about to overwhelm the
    United States of America.” unquote.”

  8. Foxtrot Says:

    I guess this is not too surprising for those of us on this blog. Please read below
    =================

    written by Linda Starr, December 13, 2008

    In the course of our research, we learned some pretty shocking things. No official agency has vetted this guy. Not the FBI, not the CIA and not the DNC officials whose job it was to check him out. Obama has not had so much as a police background check for criminal records.

  9. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    morning everyone

  10. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Fox

    don’t quote me on this,… i am only hoping i remember the state correctly.

    Oklahoma has a law in the works about vetting anyone on a ballot..
    too late for this election but it will solve the problem for the next elections. hopefully more states will follow suit.

  11. Foxtrot Says:

    JAC — I read that on the other thread. Hooray! However, why aren’t they forcing their SOS to address the issue now?

  12. j.b. Says:

    Foxtrot Says:

    December 14, 2008 at 4:09 pm
    It was wonderful! Everyone seemed to have a good time. Was on my feet for 18 hours yesterday. The old back just “ain’t what it used to be”. Food, games and gifts were loved by all! Thanks for asking. How was your weekend?

    blockquote
    Good to hear. My weekend is going well, I am waiting for my daughter and a friend to come over to bake MORE cookies! Aaahhhhhhh! Kinda sick of cookies, right now. (and I hear ya on the back thing………)
    But I look forward to the visit.

    WHEN was that interview? With whom? Tim Russert? I honestly do not think I have ever read that! OMG! Are you kidding me? I am dumbfounded right now………

  13. j.b. Says:

    Well, I screwed that up even though I checked it-twice.

    Pardon my re-post!

    Good to hear. My weekend is going well, I am waiting for my daughter and a friend to come over to bake MORE cookies! Aaahhhhhhh! Kinda sick of cookies, right now. (and I hear ya on the back thing………)
    But I look forward to the visit.

    WHEN was that interview? With whom? Tim Russert? I honestly do not think I have ever read that! OMG! Are you kidding me? I am dumbfounded right now………

  14. Foxtrot Says:

    j.b. — the interview is REAL! I actually watched it when it came on television. I had forgotten about it until someone on another blog brought it up. No one believed that Obama said it, until others, like me, got on and stated we saw the interview too! Finally, one of the bloggers found the actual show and resubmitted the transcript.

    When I was watching the show (the night it came out), I was thinking to myself “there is no way this guy is gonna with the Presidency now”. It is almost like, between his books and his interviews, he was throwing out everything he could to try to challenge the people NOT to vote for him! It was friggin’ amazing!

  15. rosettasister Says:

    Some comments from Polarik at Free Republic:

    “Factcheck chickens out: takes cheap shots at patriots”

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2148166/posts

    To: pnh102; LucyT
    Does a birth certificate really require hand and foot prints? My own COLB does not have these.
    I dobut that Obama’s does either, seeing as how his foot was in his mouth, and his hands were in the doctor’s pocket at the time.

    30 posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 12:14:29 PM by Polarik

    To: Polarik
    I finally understand factcheck.org’s name. It’s a fact check, like a body check, a block or tackle. Check that fact before it makes any more progress. Their job is stop damaging facts before they become too widespread.
    It’s obvious when you think about it. It isn’t named “FactVerification.org” or “FactInvestigation.org”.

    28 posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 12:09:17 PM by TonyStark

    To: TonyStark
    Yes, that’s right. Or, you can think of it as a “Fact Check” that bounced.

    31 posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 12:15:48 PM by Polarik

    To: hoosiermama
    What is the penalty for posting a fraudulent document? Is there legal consequences for misleading the people?
    I actually wrote about them in the introduction to my final report, which is posted here on FR.
    There are Fefderal laws against creating and proferring a false identification document, but I’m not exactly sure how stringently it would be applied to a false identification document image rather than to a physical document, but given the severities associated with committing electronically-based fraud, and assuming that the penalties are the same, the penalties for a false identification document are up to 15 years in a federal penitentiary and a maximum fine of $250,000.
    Where is the “Deep Throat” of 2008?
    What if someone inside Annenberg or the Obama Camp were to slip-up, or step forward, and blow the whistle on how they forged these images and/or the photos at the request of, or with the blessing of Barack Obama?
    If that were to happen, the FBI, CIA, and the NSA would get their hands on Obama’s original birth certificate, like yesterday.
    Why is it that nobody has ever asked Obama, or even his Press Secretary, point-blank, to confirm whether the COLB images and photographs posted online are true copies of Obama’s genuine, certified paper COLB, whether Obama personally authorized his Campaign to copy it and post it to their website; whether Obama authorized it to be distributed to Factcheck, Politifact, and the Daily Kos, and whether Obama authorized Factcheck to take photograph of it and post them, too.
    Once the link is established between Obama and the posted forgeries, then you’ve got another legal avenue to his real, birth certificate.
    The failure to present a real birth certificate to prove natural-born status is a separate issue from producing a false identification document, for you can do one without ever having to do the other.
    I

    44 posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 1:49:11 PM by Polarik

    To: Polarik
    BTW, here is the link to the original video posted on Factcheck’s website:

    http://www.factcheck.org/just-the-facts/good-bye_for_now.html
    The part about Obama’s birth certificate begins 38 seconds into it, at the 00:30 mark

    45 posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 1:51:23 PM by Polarik

    To: Cicero
    In fact, such experts have come out and refuted “Dr.” Polarik’s analysis:

    http://hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/235-Bad-Science-How-Not-To-Do-Image-Analysis-Part-II.html
    Yep, tell the annoying troll that this “fake Phd” with the “fake name” and “fake academic disciple” make a fool out of Krawetz and proved that he’s totally clueless about analyzing graphics.
    I don’t suppose that the gutless troll would put any money where his big mouth is, do you?

    65 posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 4:48:35 PM by Polarik

    To: Nipfan
    Didn’t someone on KOS admit to creating it? Certainly, there were plenty of templates (fill in the blanks) forms flying around soon enough afterwards.
    That was Jay McKinnon/OpenDNA who claimed he did, to screw with the Kos, but he never was connectefd with them.
    The blank templates that people created were worthless as no one could ever duplicate the Kos image…except yours truly.

    66 posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 4:53:53 PM by Polarik

    To: Drew68
    There was no travel ban imposed on U.S. citizens when Obama went to Pakistan.
    It was a warning issued to all Westerners and especially US citizens in 1981 to NOT travel to Pakistan, so technically, it was not a “ban” in the strict sense of the word. Neither the US nor UK, France, Spain, Portugal, or Italy were issuing travel visas to Pakistan, whereas all of the Muslim countries were. So, you can take it to the bank that anyone who went to Pakistan in 1981 from the US took an alternate route to get there, like by way of a Mualim country.

    70 posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 5:11:42 PM by Polarik

    To: Radix
    Besides the point. Obama should simply provide a copy of his BC.
    The COLB he produced (and no, it’s not a fake, the claims of guy with a phony Ph.D. notwithstanding) is enough to establish his natural-born citizenship status.
    I doubt he has his original BC. I don’t have mine. Why should he bother trying to get a copy, if the COLB is sufficient to prove his eligibility?
    Some states only provide copies of the COLB and will not give you a copy of the BC. I’m not sure whether this is the case in Hawaii, but in any case, it doesn’t matter.

    58 posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 3:56:53 PM by curiosity

    To: jetxnet
    Hey, where ya been? BTW, I wanted to thank you for supportive email to Lan Lamphere when he had me on. That was you, right?
    Anyway, it’s pointless to argue with someone who’s less than zero and who’s only intention is to make trouble. My dad once said to me, “Never argue with an idiot.”
    Sage advice.

    71 posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 5:18:57 PM by Polarik

    To: Polarik
    Neither the US nor UK, France, Spain, Portugal, or Italy were issuing travel visas to Pakistan, whereas all of the Muslim countries were.
    Huh? Have you ever traveled outside the U.S.? That’s not how visas work. Visas are issued by the host nation (i.e. Pakistan) and not the State Department.
    There is still a travel warning covering Pakistan but this currently doesn’t prevent U.S. residents from obtaining a Pakistani-issued visa to visit, just as it didn’t prevent U.S. residents from doing so in 1981.
    People have been spreading this misinformation so often now that nobody has bothered to check to see if it is even true. It isn’t true and has never been true.

    76 posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 8:04:31 PM by Drew68

    To: Drew68
    You know what I meant, that the Pakistani consulates in those countries and ours were not issuing travel visas because, for one thing, Pakistan had been under martial law at the time.
    Basically, what the State Department did in 1981 is similar to what they are doing now with Iran
    http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1142.html
    So, where is your evidence to the contrary? You cannot make a blanket statement like yours without a reference.

    77 posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 8:49:12 PM by Polarik

  16. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    i think because they are in a legal mess this time,….. They have to admit to incompetence or they have no protocol to vet on their books.. either way kind of opens a Pandora’s box

  17. j.b. Says:

    I like the song ‘I’d Like To Teach the World To
    Sing.’ If that were our anthem, then I might salute it.

    Okay. This is a joke, right? A friggin’ COKE commercial as our National Anthem? GMAFB!

  18. Foxtrot Says:

    my last comment should read “there is no way this guy is going to win the Presidency now”. sorry.

  19. Foxtrot Says:

    Be back in a few!

  20. sdee Says:

    I’ve been reading comments and Leo’s responses on his conspiracy satire.

    He believes that he and Cort have done their best job focusing the issue, preparing the case, and documenting for history that the Supreme Court had what it needed to defend the Constitution. However, he is resigned to a reality that they will chose not to.

  21. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    j.b.

    lol,… it was a folk song that Coke swiped.
    a good song, but we have a perfectly good historical anthem already.

    Our flag is perfect to, each band, color and star has our countries symbolism threaded in……

  22. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    I can’t believe the aids thing,….. and Ed Hale bringing it up..
    I know I heard the rumor 2 months ago, I didn’t give it any credence then and I don’t now.

    That is what got Leo ticked at Ed

  23. j.b. Says:

    My statement about the Coke song was “tongue in cheek”.
    🙂

    BUT! IS THIS A REAL QUOTE? Has anyone here seen this?

    Goin’ to look for the transcripts………..

  24. j.b. Says:

    Wait! FOxtrot who did the interview? Russert? Knowing this would so help me find the dang thing………………..must have been Russert, unless he had a guest host that day………

  25. Foxtrot Says:

    j.b. — I can’t remember who hosted it. It was during the primary season, I think it was very early on too! I will try to find it for you.

    However, YES THE INTERVIEW AND TRANSCRIPT IS REAL! As I said in a post above, I actually saw the show too, when it first aired. I can vouch that it is 100% real!!!

  26. koyaan Says:

    jjones wrote:

    I do find it interesting tha Loyaan haas been discussing political matters on the internet since 1983 (25yrs). Were you discussing politics on the old Arpa net Koyaan? 😉

    No no, I said I had been discussing politics and other stuff online for some 25 years. “Online” encompasses more than just the Internet.

    Back in the day (i.e. some 25 years ago) there was UseNet. UseNet was a collection of message areas called “newsgroups” which were carried on various UNIX systems, which meant that most of those posting on UseNet were at colleges, universities and large businesses. I accessed UseNet through a local guy who offered UNIX “shell” accounts, which let you dial into his system over the modem.

    There were also these things called computer bulletin board systems, or BBSes. These were systems set up on a person’s PC using various flavors of BBS software. You’d dial directly into the system over the modem. BBSes had “file areas” where you could download shareware software and graphic images, and “message areas” for people to discuss things. Some BBSes carried FidoNet, which which was rather like UseNet, but for DOS-based PCs instead of UNIX systems.

    Some BBSes were multiline, allowing more than one user on at a time, and often allowing for multiuser, realtime chat. There was a local system here that at its height had 64 lines coming in.

    And then there were the national online services. CompuServe being the first and most popular. CompuServe had their own network, which allowed users to dial in to a local telephone number for access instead of having to pay long distance fees. Others followed such as GEnie (owned by General Electric) and America Online.

    And that’s how I’ve been discussing politics and other stuff online for some 25 years.

    If I could remember what my userid was on that UNIX shell account, you could go and read some of my posts from back then. Google maintains a UseNet archive going back to 1981.

    k

  27. Foxtrot Says:

    Of course, I have been looking for hours and the interview appears to have been scrubbed! What a shock! I will continue to look but not sure I can come up with a link. I notice that Linda Starr also said she saw the show as well (read on another blog).

  28. Foxtrot Says:

    Many, many others!

    Hello Koyaan. Did you get my message on the previous thread asking you to not call the women on this blog “dude”? I hope you will respect that, regardless of what your interpretation of it is.

  29. Foxtrot Says:

    JAC — it is Arkansas that is trying to make it mandatory for candidates to show proof of citizenship before running for office. FYI. Thanks for the tip!

  30. Foxtrot Says:

    Did anyone hear of Rahm has talked to any media outlet yet? I heard he was not allowing anyone to interview him? What do you think his fate is?

  31. Foxtrot Says:

    j.b.– I dont’ remember hearing the part about ‘attending flag burnings’ but I do remember him talking about the anthem and the flag pin. Crap . . I wish I could remember who did the interview!

    On a side note: anyone else NOT ready for Christmas yet? I have so much to do and so little time left to do it! Ugh!!!!!!!!!

  32. koyaan Says:

    Foxtrot wrote:

    Hello Koyaan. Did you get my message on the previous thread asking you to not call the women on this blog “dude”? I hope you will respect that, regardless of what your interpretation of it is.

    Sure did du… er, ma’am! 😉

    k

  33. j.b. Says:

    Foxtrot, I believe you. So far, all I can find is this article debunking the whole thing as an e-mail of the chain kind…………I’m going back in…….this is so time consuming, but my daughter is TOO sick to bake cookies 😦 so, while I’m sittin’ here………..

    Says Obama wants to redesign the American flag “to better offer our enemies hope and love.”
    Chain e-mail on Saturday, October 25th, 2008 in a widely circulated e-mail

    The Coke theme song and more ridiculous allegations

    We’ve seen a lot of groundless and ridiculous chain e-mails during the 2008 campaign.

    There was the one that fabricated Bible verses to suggest Barack Obama fit the profile for the Antichrist; there was another that falsified a list of books that Sarah Palin supposedly sought to ban; and there was our all-time favorite, which falsely claimed Obama wants the national anthem to be I’d Like to Teach the World to Sing.

    We always liked that song when it was the Coca-Cola theme, and the chain e-mail provided a fun excuse in April to watch the commercial on YouTube. So it was a treat when several readers sent us a new e-mail that includes the national anthem quote along with some other equally ridiculous ones. (You can read the full e-mail here.)

    The e-mail has been widely circulated and posted on dozens of blogs because it has a few elements that make it look authentic. It says that Obama made the remarks “on Sunday’s Televised ‘Meet the Press,’ ” and the account appears to be written by Dale Lindsborg of the Washington Post. And unless you are a keen student of cola advertising, you might miss the satirical suggestion about the song.

    So let’s put the Coke song on the turntable as we examine the new e-mail.

    It begins, like so many chain e-mails attacking Obama, with a subject line that invokes patriotism: “Meet the Press – read this if you’re an American.”

    It says the account is “a narrative taken from Sunday Morning’s televised ‘Meet the Press’, and the author is employed by none other than the Washington Post.”

    It says that on the Sept. 7 show, Obama was asked by “General Bill Ginn’ USAF (ret.)” why he doesn’t follow protocol when the national anthem is played. (That question is based on a photograph of Obama standing with his hands folded at his waist while Sen. Hillary Clinton and others have their hands over their hearts. It has been misinterpreted in many chain e-mails as an indication that Obama refuses to say the Pledge of Allegiance, which we addressed with this article.)

    During the Meet the Press appearance, Obama is said to have replied, “As I’ve said about the flag pin, I don’t want to be perceived as taking sides. . . .There are a lot of people in the world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression. And the anthem itself conveys a war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air and all. It should be swapped for something less parochial and less bellicose. I like the song ‘I’d Like To Teach the World To Sing.’ If that were our anthem, then I might salute it.”

    Obama, it says, continued: “We should consider to reinvent our National Anthem as well as to redesign our Flag to better offer our enemies hope and love. It’s my intention, if elected, to disarm America to the level of acceptance to our Middle East Brethren. If we as a Nation of warring people, should conduct ourselves as the nations of Islam, whereas peace prevails. Perhaps a state or period of mutual concord between our governments. When I become President, I will seek a pact or agreement to end hostilities between those who have been at war or in a state of enmity, and a freedom from disquieting oppressive thoughts. We as a Nation have placed upon the nations of Islam an unfair injustice.”

    It then abruptly shifts gears to his comments about his wife Michelle: “My wife disrespects the Flag for many personal reasons. Together she and I have attended several flag burning ceremonies in the past, many years ago. She has her views and I have mine. Of course now, I have found myself about to become the President of the United States and I have put aside my hatred. I will use my power to bring CHANGE to this Nation, and offer the people a new path of hope. My wife and I look forward to becoming our Country’s First Family. Indeed, CHANGE is about to overwhelm the United States of America.”

    It is signed “Dale Lindsborg, Washington Post.”

    It would be difficult to tally the many, many ways this e-mail is false, but we’ll start with the obvious ones. First, Obama was not on Meet the Press on Sept. 7. The guests were Joe Biden and New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman. Nor was Gen. Bill Ginn on the show.

    Ginn is indeed a retired Air Force general and not a fan of Obama. In an interview with PolitiFact, Ginn cited Obama’s association with Weather Underground co-founder William Ayers, the group ACORN and his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, as just a few examples why he does not want Obama to be president.

    But Ginn said the Meet the Press account was fabricated and that he had never spoken to Obama. Ginn said his name might have gotten attached to the e-mail because of a message he sent to a friend expressing concern about Obama not putting his hand over his heart during the national anthem.

    Neither is Dale Lindsborg a reporter at the Washington Post. Anne Kornblut, a real political reporter from the Post, said in an online chat that she checked the paper’s directory and couldn’t find anyone by that name.

    And, Obama’s quote is fabricated. It seems to be a mashup from at least two sources. The anthem part comes from a satirical column published on the Web in October 2007 by Arizona writer John Semmens that produced the original bogus e-mail that we checked last spring.

    We couldn’t determine the origin of the part about redesigning the American flag “to better offer our enemies hope and love,” but a search of the Project Vote Smart database of Obama’s speeches indicates he has not uttered the phrase. He also has not made the remark about his wife disrespecting the flag, according to the Vote Smart database.

    This chain e-mail, like most that we’ve checked, is false. In fact, it’s so ridiculously, maliciously false, that it sets the Truth-O-Meter ablaze. Pants on Fire.

    Published: Saturday, October 25th, 2008

    No, we don’t want to take your money. But we are more than willing to listen if you know of any facts or story ideas for the Truth-O-Meter. truthometer@politifact.com

    PolitiFact is a project of the St. Petersburg Times and Congressional Quarterly to help you find the truth in the presidential campaign. Every day, reporters and researchers from the Times and CQ will analyze the candidates’ speeches, TV ads and interviews and determine whether the claims are accurate. >> More

    We’ll be back!
    The Truth-O-Meter is out of commission for routine maintenance, but we’ll bring it back in January to fact-check the White House and other players in Washington.

  34. j.b. Says:

    I heard Rahm was actually hiding and worked from home most of last week-he did manage to escape on Friday, I think and was able to evade the paps. I think he’s going

    d
    o
    w
    n.

    Now, will he take Obambi with him? I guess we’ll have tp wait to see. I, like so many others, cannot help but wonder WHY Fitzgerald pulled the plug on this thing, unless of course, he too, has a hard on for Obamalama’sdingdong.

    Oh and NO I am NOT ready for Christmas-never am.

  35. jjones Says:

    Koyaan,
    I was kidding of course… yes, I was there then too

  36. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    j.b.

    Well when you hear the sound of bump bump bump of Rahm ..you just never know what truths will be said in bursts of anger.
    I bet Rahm has plenty of dirty truths to let out

  37. koyaan Says:

    j.b., no such thing ever happened.

    This was all fabricated back in October. Google “My wife disrespects the Flag for many personal reasons” (including quotes). Every reference is from October or later.

    Even the Freepers didn’t buy it.

    freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2108832/posts

    k

  38. koyaan Says:

    jjones wrote:

    I was kidding of course… yes, I was there then too

    Oh, NOW you tell me! 😦

    k

  39. Foxtrot Says:

    Koyaan– I saw an interview, with Obama, making the statements about the flag and the anthem! I will continue to find them. It was VERY early on when Hillary was getting most of the attention in the press. My husband is here and he saw it with me. We both were shocked after the interview! He also talked about how he “didn’t need a pin to show his patriotism”. I remember after hearing that line in the interview I told my husband, “who are the idiots that are advising him–he should not have said that!” It is that clear in my mind!

    I know there was a spoof done on the orginal interview, but the spoofer (a real word?) elaborated on some of what Obama DID say in the interview.

  40. Foxtrot Says:

    As I said though, I don’t ever remember him talking about flag burning–that is one of the parts, I believe, that the spoofer added.

  41. Foxtrot Says:

    FOX news this morning intimated that Rahm may be resigning already. Did anyone hear any news on this?

  42. Foxtrot Says:

    Koyaan — thank you for being respectful and calling the women on this site something other than “dude”. Appreciate it!

  43. j.b. Says:

    Foxtrot,
    So the SPOOF stays on the net to certify all the nuts and the real interview gets scrubbed. I get it. More of the same. Same as it ever wae, etc. Disgusting. I really need to work on my own feelings of hatred toward this man that I am beginning to recognize…….I know it is a total waste of energy. I’ll get there.

  44. j.b. Says:

    FOX news this morning intimated that Rahm may be resigning already. Did anyone hear any news on this?

    Nope, but I’ve not watched the telly today.
    Hmmmmmm, sounds like a plan to me! This is going to be SO f*cking fun to watch! Right, Rahm? 🙂

  45. koyaan Says:

    Koyaan– I saw an interview, with Obama, making the statements about the flag and the anthem!

    I’ve seen him make various statements as well.

    However the point is, the Meet The Press “transcript” is a sham.

    k

  46. j.b. Says:

    However the point is, the Meet The Press “transcript” is a sham.

    k

    *Yawn*. Hey K, I think maybe your nic on Usenet was Sleepy Time Tea.

  47. sliderblaze Says:

    anyone who mistakes boy for the n work, cant be all that intelligent, honestly…

  48. Foxtrot Says:

    Koyaan — I said I couldn’t remember who the host was on the interview my husband and I watched. The point is that he did say that about the anthem, etc.

    For everyone else, here is an interesting link from days of old:

    freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1918119/posts

  49. Foxtrot Says:

    (with music in the background of “I’m Dreaming of a White Christmas”)

    “I’m dreaming of a Rahm resignation. Just where ol Blago will have to go. Where the lies keep coming and Obama slugging, to clear his name from all the thugs.”

  50. Foxtrot Says:

    I honestly think Rahm will have no choice but to resign!

    I wonder if more of the wiretap tapes will be revealed soon?

  51. Foxtrot Says:

    Electoral College is upon us! Did everyone write their State Electors to give them the facts on Obama’s questionable citizenship?

  52. Foxtrot Says:

    Did I hear correctly that Berg filed another suit (?emergency injunction?) with SCOTUS to stop the Electoral College from voting?

  53. Foxtrot Says:

    Aren’t we all getting some sort of decision on Monday from SCOTUS? I am out of the loop because of the party I had this weekend. One of my brilliant Rosetta Gang members . . . please enlighten me on this subject?!?

  54. sliderblaze Says:

    well, if rahm goes down like a drunkn prom date, would that mean he did something illegal/unethical and if thats the case, that will leave a bad taste in the mouth of the public, especially if Obama comes out and says he did it without his knowledge. I’m sure the trolls will believe that as well….shame on them, would they ever believe that Rove would do such a think without bush’s knowledge, me’s dont think so. We are about to find out the intellectual honest people out real quick.

    P.S. Remember the tin foil sporters that were saying Bush was gonna implement the draft, they seem to be the same crowd calling us the very same.

  55. sliderblaze Says:

    breitbart.com/article.php?id=D952KAAO0&show_article=1

    The incident occurred as Bush was appearing Sunday with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.

    Bush ducked and wasn’t hit by either shoe. Bush joked, saying that all he can report was that it was a size 10 shoe. then calmly took questions.

    i’m gonna miss this guy….

  56. sliderblaze Says:

    “I think that the Obama campaign should and will give all information necessary,”

    …McCain suggested the Republican National Committee’s calls for the Obama team to publicly release their conversations with Blagojevich and his people aren’t helpful.

    “With all due respect to the Republican National Committee, we should try to be working constructively together,” McCain said.

    “I have some confidence that all of the information will come out. It always does it seems to me,” he said.

    and this is why you lost the election, i think mccains balls got lost at the HH, whats with this guy, you’ve dissappeared into obscurity.

  57. sliderblaze Says:

    Bush brought freedom to this guy and freedom of the press to this guy and all he got was a lowsy pair of shoes….lol

  58. koyaan Says:

    Foxtrot wrote:

    Koyaan — I said I couldn’t remember who the host was on the interview my husband and I watched. The point is that he did say that about the anthem, etc.

    Did he? Where exactly did he say it?

    As for the Free Republic link, which has this:

    “As I’ve said about the flag pin, I don’t want to be perceived as taking sides,” Obama said. “There are a lot of people in the world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression. And the anthem itself conveys a war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air and all. It should be swapped for something less parochial and less bellicose. I like the song ‘I’d Like to Teach the World to Sing.’ If that were our anthem, then I might salute it.”

    That’s not anything Obama actually said. It was completely made up. It was a satire by John Semmens at Arizona Conservative.

    Here’s the original source:

    azconservative.org/Semmens118.htm

    Please note the title of the column:

    JOHN SEMMENS: Semi-News — A Satirical Look at Recent News

    And here’s Semmens himself replying in the Free Republic thread:

    It is semi-true.

    Obama doesn’t wear a flag pin and was photographed not saluting the flag.

    I have merely divulged his inner thoughts explaining his actions.

    This is rather like Phil Berg taking a Canadian birth certificate for Obama that was made up as a joke and signed by Dudley Doright and John F. Kennedy and referencing it in his lawsuit under “FACTUAL ALLEGATIONS.”

    k

  59. sba1872 Says:

    sliderblaze Says:
    December 14, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    “Bush brought freedom to this guy and freedom of the press to this guy and all he got was a lowsy pair of shoes.”

    Slider, funny.

  60. amy Says:

    foxtrot.. My fiance said he saw Obama say that too, but he said he thought it was on ABCs “This Week”.. I remeber he called me about it at the time.

  61. ddlew Says:

    sba1872 Says:
    December 14, 2008 at 7:46 pm

    sliderblaze Says:
    December 14, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    “Bush brought freedom to this guy and freedom of the press to this guy and all he got was a lowsy pair of shoes.”

    Slider, funny.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Well actually it was an agency that reports out of Cairo, which of course is in Egypt.

    It’s typical Muslim hate for George Bush and US policy. That reporter was most likely sympathetic to the terrorists (freedom fighters – as I believe John Kerry called them).

  62. sba1872 Says:

    All I’ve found so far concerning Obama not wearing a flag pin:

    abcnews.go.com/politics/story?id=3690000

    “You know, the truth is that right after 9/11, I had a pin,” Obama said. “Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we’re talking about the Iraq War, that became a substitute for I think true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security, I decided I won’t wear that pin on my chest.

    “Instead,” he said, “I’m going to try to tell the American people what I believe will make this country great, and hopefully that will be a testimony to my patriotism.”

    And, of course, later he changed his mind and was wearing a flag pin for debates. I may be wrong, but I don’t think he ever explained why he didn’t place his hand on his heart for the National Anthem. Didn’t they do that at Punahou Academy? Didn’t he ever attend a ball game? I don’t think it was deliberate. I think he just didn’t know to do it. Odd.

  63. amy Says:

    sba.. He just isnt a true patriot period!

  64. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    K said: But could you do me the favor of giving me an example of what you’re calling a “challenge”? Do you mean simple disagreement or do you mean something else?

    Perhaps it’s just your personality or your communication style.

    Perhaps. Though without knowing more specifically what you mean by “challenge” I can’t say much more.
    **********
    K, I have no need to hammer this out with you. I think you are an intelligent individual, regardless of whether I agree with you or not. I think you know that you control the conversation by “contesting” what other posters say in a condescending manner.

    One instance is this:
    A child born to an American mother and alien father could be said to be a citizen of the United States by some affirmative act of law but never entitled to be a natural-born citizen because through laws of nature the child inherits the condition of their father.”

    Through the laws of nature the child inherits the condition of their father?

    What sort of patriarchal nonsense is that?

    __________________________

    and another is this:

    As I had said previously, I’ve been discussing politics and other stuff online for over 25 years. So maybe it’s a “cultural” thing. ***Most bloggers’ online communications experience seems to be limited to blogs, and I’ve noticed that bloggers seem to be much more defensive and reactionary than those on the old school venues.****

    +++++

    First of all, I speak internationally and direct an international organization, with people from all walks of life. Most people who have been posting on here have been here at least for several weeks, they’ve earned respect here, we’ve gotten along because we have shown respect to each other. We have tremendously informed people here, and if you want to post here, then it would help if you remembered this. I too have been discussing “online” for over 25 years, and I do remember the different venues that were available. I don’t mind at all (and I think of Al when I say this) someone who disagrees with me, or who sees things differently than I do. I said as much when you started posting on here, that I welcome the point and countpoint. What I don’t appreciate is someone who is continually oppositional.

    ———You say you wanted to know. But my point was that you really can’t know even if I were to have answered you the first time.

    Seriously. Can you say now that I’ve answered your question that you really know anything more than before I had answered it?

    I’m not trying to be confrontational here. I’m just trying to be honest and straightforward.
    _____

    Actually, I think you are trying to be condescending. Yes, seriously, I can say that now that you have answered my question I can really know more than before— it may not be what you were verbalizing that I heard, but rather it was what you did not verbalize that I perceived.

    While “blogging” is certainly a different venue than many people are used to, don’t underestimate the people on this site. You would be very suprised to know who frequents this site. Just because certain commenters do not feel the need to “announce” themselves, doesn’t mean that they are limited to “the blogs”.

    And, to the conversation above, I heard the interview where Obama talks about his lack of respect for the flag, the anthem and this country–

    I don’t know if the interview posted above is verbatim, or if it has been manipulated and changed.

    I’m outta here—

  65. amy Says:

    Plus, he went to a church for 20 years with a vision listed on its website, ” a congregation with a non-negotiable commitment to Africa”.. That was the first thing I found when I started researching him.. That also was the first time I thought, “There is NO way that I am voting for this man.”

  66. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Hope you are feeling better patty

  67. Foxtrot Says:

    Slider– I hope we all all wrong. I pray that if Rahm goes down, so will Obama! How much more slack can people cut Obama on all these controversies surrounding him!

  68. amy Says:

    That man is a teflon man.. I will be so surprised that he goes down this early in the game..He and michelle are even figurenes in a nativity scene. Can you imagine that?

  69. amy Says:

    I realy believe if he is ever to be brought down, it will be by the very people who are gaga over him now (when they find out that they have been fooled.)

  70. koyaan Says:

    sba1872 wrote:

    And, of course, later he changed his mind and was wearing a flag pin for debates. I may be wrong, but I don’t think he ever explained why he didn’t place his hand on his heart for the National Anthem. Didn’t they do that at Punahou Academy? Didn’t he ever attend a ball game? I don’t think it was deliberate. I think he just didn’t know to do it.

    It seems that most of these veterans didn’t know to do it either.

    q-audio.com/images/anthem.jpg

    One is saluting. One sort of has his hand on his heart. The rest simply have their hands down at their sides, or clasped in front of them as Obama had in the infamous photo.

    So what is to be made of these veterans?

    k

  71. Goferit Says:

    Found this on the following site:

    /strongdemocratsupportsmccainpalin.wordpress.com/2008/11/03/obama-wants-to-change-the-american-anthem-and-flag/

    NOTE THAT THIS WAS OBVIOUSLY ON Sunday NOV 2, 2008

    It was not a satire……….

    NOVEMBER 3, 2008…3:07 PM
    Obama Wants to Change the American Anthem and Flag
    Jump to Comments
    The following are Obama’s words on changing the American anthem and flag

    Senator Obama Live on Sunday states, ‘As I’ve said about the flag pin, I don’t want to be perceived as taking sides, Obama said. ‘There are a lot of people in the world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression. And the anthem itself conveys a war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air and all. It should be swapped for something less parochial and less bellicose. I like the song ‘I’d Like To Teach the World To Sing.’ If that were our anthem, then I might salute it.’We should consider to reinvent our National Anthem as well as to redesign our Flag to better offer our enemies hope and love. It’s my intention, if elected, to disarm America to the level
    of acceptance to our Middle East Brethren. If we as a Nation of warring people, should conduct ourselves as the nations of Islam, whereas peace prevails. Perhaps a state or period of mutual concord between our governments. When I become President, I will seek a pact or agreement to end hostilities between those who have been at war or in a state of enmity, and a freedom from disquieting oppressive thoughts. We as a Nation have placed
    upon the nations of Islam an unfair injustice. My wife disrespects the Flag for many personal reasons. Together she and I have attended several flag burning ceremonies in the past, many years ago. She has her views and I have mine’. Of course now, I have found myself about to become the President of
    the United States and I have put aside my hatred. I will use my power to bring CHANGE to this Nation, and offer the people a new path of hope. My wife and I look forward to becoming our Country’s First Family. Indeed, CHANGE is about to overw helm the United States of America .

    Please vote with your brain vote McCain and please bring 5 people with you.

    Thank you so much

  72. koyaan Says:

    As for the flag pin, this is another example, like the Ben Franklin quote, where things flipped around after 9/11.

    Rush Limbaugh popularized the phrase “symbolism over substance” which he used to denounce liberals.

    On page 150 of the hardbound edition of his 1993 book, See, I Told You So (my own copy of which I am holding in my currently nicotine-stained fingers), Rush wrote:

    In a nutshell, folks, that’s all liberalism is about: symbolism over substance.

    Later in the book, Rush makes a specific example of this with regard to liberals wearing red and other colored ribbons on their lapels to show that they care about a particular cause.

    From page 225:

    Let’s be honest. Hollywood stars wear red ribbons because it makes them feel good about themselves. It shows they care. It shows how compassionate they are. While wearing red ribbons, they’re no longer rich, famous, self-indulgent, spoiled brats–they’re transformed into kind, considerate, selfless souls who only want to make the world a better place in which to live.

    This, my friends, is a perfect example of “symbolism over substance.” That’s what modern liberalism is all about. Appearing compassionate is more important than actually helping people.

    After 9/11, conservatives started wearing their own red ribbons, in the form of flag pins. It showed they cared. It showed how patriotic they were. And if you weren’t wearing a flag pin, well then you were just plain un-American!

    But flag pins are nothing but symbolism over substance in every sense that it was applied by Rush to liberals. To paraphrase Rush, appearing patriotic is more important than actually being patriotic.

    k

  73. koyaan Says:

    Goferit wrote:

    NOTE THAT THIS WAS OBVIOUSLY ON Sunday NOV 2, 2008

    It was not a satire………

    Um, question.

    If Obama obviously said those words on the November 2, 2008 edition of Meet The Press, and it was not a satire, then can you explain how those exact same words came to be written by John Sammens back in October?

    k

  74. amy Says:

    goferit says..
    NOTE THIS WAS OVIOUSLY on Sunday Nov 2, 2008

    No, that was copied from an earlier show that my fiance called me and told me to turn on tv quickly, and said what obama was saying..

  75. amy Says:

    And although I am NOT SURE, it may have been on ABCs This Week.. I am NOT sure,

  76. Goferit Says:

    I also remember hearing his voice say it….. we all can’t be crazy, you know voices in our heads… God help me if I’m hearing the Ones voice in MY head…

  77. Lyn Says:

    That Meet the press is not real. he was not on Meet the press that day, He did say he didn’t want to wear a flag pin but alot of the other stuff is made up. I’m pretty sure snopes had a thing about it months ago when I first heard the national anthem thing. hey I’ll look lol snopes.com/politics/obama/stance.asp

  78. amy Says:

    Goferit.. It WAS on MEET THE PRESS with General Bill Ginn…on Sept 7 at noon.. I had just got home from church, Don called, told me to turn on tv real quick, but by the time I got the tv on, I heard only the tail end of it, but wrote down the info don gave me on my church program.. LOL!

  79. koyaan Says:

    Goferit wrote:

    I also remember hearing his voice say it….. we all can’t be crazy, you know voices in our heads… God help me if I’m hearing the Ones voice in MY head…

    You might find this article informative.

    cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/02/16/false.memory.ap/index.html

    k

  80. amy Says:

    Goferit, you are not hearing voices. Don heard it too. he was shocked.

  81. koyaan Says:

    Amy wrote:

    Goferit.. It WAS on MEET THE PRESS with General Bill Ginn…on Sept 7 at noon.. I had just got home from church, Don called, told me to turn on tv real quick, but by the time I got the tv on, I heard only the tail end of it, but wrote down the info don gave me on my church program.. LOL!

    It couldn’t have been on Meet the Press on September 7th.

    Joe Biden was on Meet the Press that day.

    msnbc.msn.com/id/26559058/

    k

  82. amy Says:

    goferit, IGNORE PLEASE! You were NOT hearing voices..You are OK

  83. amy Says:

    Did anyone find out who that Cowen was that was sueing Obama and why?

  84. Goferit Says:

    Koyann, I know you can keep coming up with disinformation to garner your weekly credit from the other side but thank you anyway, I don’t listen to cnn or hear false information.

    Thanks for your help though.

  85. amy Says:

    Goferit, who do you think will be arrested next in that Gov Blago thingy? Jackson, jr. or Emanuel?

  86. Goferit Says:

    The MSM may get a 2 for one that day. They’ll be on spurge overload!!!
    I like how they pick ’em up at the same time so they can’t run out the back door. LOL

  87. Lyn Says:

    Hillbuzz has an interesting article about a clause in the Ill rules that a Gov can step aside at anytime and let the lt gov take over BUT still get his full salary, they think that is what many are pushing Blago to do hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/12/14/attorneys-are-spending-this-weekend-trying-to-convince-blagojevich-to-step-aside-but-not-resign-in-a-compromise-that-will-be-pushed-this-week/

  88. Tenacity Says:

    Goferit,
    thank you for the research and the testimony. Patty split but would have very much appreciate the back up.

    I just want to reiterate my earlier comment. People who look for things to react to are like small children, when spanked they are good for a few minutes or hours. Its only a matter of time till they test you again. The difference is that, unlike children, they never seem to learn. Thus they are not manageable and ultimately disrupt the production of the team and create an unsatisfactory work condition (or blog site).

  89. Tenacity Says:

    Re-post from previous thread:

    rosettasister Says:
    December 14, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    Good Sunday morning, people!

    These two posts were stuck in moderation.

    Sorry!

    I…..

    Fernley Girl Says:
    December 14, 2008 at 7:37 am

    The best thing to do about Koyaan is just scroll past the comment….do not reply. I mostly lurk at several websites, and the style is always the same: agitate and argue. I think Koyaan likes to be the center of attention.

  90. Troy Says:

    About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:

    ‘A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government’

    ‘A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury’

    ‘From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship’

    ‘The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years’

    ‘During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:

    1. From bondage to spiritual faith;

    2. From spiritual faith to great courage;

    3. From courage to liberty;

    4. From liberty to abundance;

    5. From abundance to complacency;

    6. From complacency to apathy;

    7. From apathy to dependence;

    8. From dependence back into bondage’

  91. Troy Says:

    Who is this man… actually;

    1. Occidental College records — Not released
    2. Columbia College records — Not released
    3. Columbia Thesis paper — not available, locked down by faculty
    4. Harvard College records — Not released, locked down by faculty
    5. Selective Service Registration — Not released
    6. Medical records — Not released
    7. Illinois State Senate schedule –‘not available’
    8. Law practice client list — Not released
    9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate — Not released
    10. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth — Not released
    11. Harvard Law Review articles published — None
    12. University of Chicago scholarly articles — None
    13. Your Record of baptism– Not released or ‘not available’
    14. Your Illinois State Senate records–‘not available’

    You couldn’t get a job at McDonalds and become district manager after 143 days of experience.

    You couldn’t become chief of surgery after 143 days of experience of being a surgeon.

    You couldn’t get a job as a teacher and be the superintendent after 143 days of experience.

    You couldn’t join the military and become a colonel after 143 days of experience.

    You couldn’t get a job as a reporter and become the nightly news anchor after 143 days of experience.

  92. Troy Says:

    “There are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.”
    — James Madison, speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 16, 1788
    •”He who dares not offend cannot be honest.”
    — Thomas Paine (one of your home boys)
    When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.
    — Benjamin Franklin
    •”He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.”
    — Thomas Paine, Dissertation on First Principles of Government, December 23, 1791
    • “The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. If ‘Thou shalt not covet’ and ‘Thou shalt not steal’ were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society before it can be civilized or made free.”
    — John Adams, A Defense of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America, 1787
    • “To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace.”
    — George Washington, First Annual Message, January 8, 1790
    “Remember democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.”
    — John Adams, letter to John Taylor, April 15, 1814
    • “To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.”
    — Thomas Jefferson, letter to Joseph Milligan, April 6, 1816
    • ” I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it.”
    — Benjamin Franklin, On the Price of Corn and Management of the Poor, November 1776
    • “If a nation values anything more than freedom, it will lose its freedom; and the irony of it is that, if it is comfort or money it values more, it will lose that too.”
    — William Somerset Maughan, 1941
    • “A wise and frugal government … shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government.”

  93. jjones Says:

    Heh,
    this is pretty funny
    youtube.com/watch?v=aXunpgM5DZo

  94. j.b. Says:

    Did y’all see President Bush duck that shoe coming straight at him during that presser in Baghdad? Dayuuum, that was impressive!

  95. calli Says:

    Poor Bush!! They are now throwing shoes at him!! Too bad the shoes weren’t thrown at Obama!!!

  96. sba1872 Says:

    Hi, all. Been literally in and out all day but got a lot accomplished. Anybody here?

    Koyaan says:

    It seems that most of these veterans didn’t know to do it either.

    q-audio.com/images/anthem.jpg

    One is saluting. One sort of has his hand on his heart. The rest simply have their hands down at their sides, or clasped in front of them as Obama had in the infamous photo.

    So what is to be made of these veterans?

    k

    I don’t know, k. Did you take this picture? Did you say that the anthem was playing? Can’t hear it. Or was the flag displayed? Don’t see it. Not all the people are even faced in the same direction. I don’t know what’s going on. Could be a parade, maybe. I can deduce that the group on the right are vets because of their military caps. Hmmm. Some have sunglasses and and some don’t. Are some blind? Are some deaf? Do any have injuries to their arms? Don’t know. What you posted is evidence of absolutely nothing.

    What I see and hear with my own eyes and ears in the youtube with Obama, Richardson and Clinton, however, is the Star-Spangled Banner being played with three career politicians in the foreground, two of which have their hands on their hearts. The other one (some say The One, some say That One), the one who does not have his hand on his heart, will become the next Commander in Chief of the United States Armed Forces.

    But now I know why. Obama throws his granddad (also a vet) under the bus for this one.

    workbench.cadenhead.org/news/3289/obama-hits-wrong-note-national-anthem

    Others are certainly free to disagree, but my personal take on Rush is that he is an entertainer. Same for O’Reilly, same for Keith O, same for Howard Stern. If I happened to hear or read something they say, sometimes I laugh, but rarely do I consider their opinions to be a source of information. I can be amused by them, but seldom learn anything from them.

    NOTE TO TENACITY: I know you’re right. Sorry, can’t help it.

  97. jrinNC Says:

    Hey everyone, I am back only for a second not to create trouble, but to enlighten those who wish to be enlightened. I became disgusted by not only Koy’s responses to me, but responses to others as well and his underlying tone in his posts. I chose this blog, after looking at many, because the folks here responded without sarcasm. I get enough of that from my brother and was looking for people I could talk with who would listen and give their input without cramming junk down my throat and spouting off at the mouth. Folks here really do research – which is what I do. Whether it be truthful or not – that is why folks like you are here to find the facts and enlighten others to the truth as we best know it and/or believe with supportive evidence.

    I have been doing some surfing to find stuff Koy has been saying out there. I have not posted the exact comments, as if you are interested enough, you will go and look yourself. Go to Posted in comments on America’s Right (…w.americasright.com/) under article entitled “Fighting an Uphill Battle on Rollerskates – 108 comments.” Check out his rhetoric there (some OK, but some not) plus checkout what Anonymous said in response to one of his flippant tirades… “Dave December 10, 2008 5:06 PM”

    However, I have to give him credit as he has toned down some on here thanks to the few of you who have adamantly reminded him of his condescending remarks. But I still hear that underlying tone that he so carefully chooses to embed in his words and their intended meaning.

    — I rest my case. —

    Thanks for your support – you folks are GREAT – keep up the fight. I will be checking back off and on as I am also busy doing my own research and have been informed of new information that has not been posted here. If it pans out I will posts links/info.

  98. sba1872 Says:

    Hey, jrinNC! I’m going to check out americasright, but hope to “see” you here later.

  99. rosettasister Says:

    Comment found at Iraq the Model:

    http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/

    just saw the film of the “Iraqi journalist” (the presstitutes can’t help repeating this fact, even though he lives and writes out of eygpt..).

    the look on al Maliki’s face says it all.

    I want every iraqi that reads this to know that we here at ITM for the most part know clear as a bell that this clown doesnt represent anything but the past.

    While we are here on this earth there will always be liars and enablers of tyrants.

    They have no modesty or civility and will always shove their way in front of the cameras and mics, but that doesnt mean they have a damned thing to say that’s worth a crap.

    We KNOW that W freed millions, we KNOW that every tyrant in the ME trembles at the thought of our allied forces kicking their doors down and stretching their necks.

    It is sad that the liberal mind is so deplorably detached from any decency or conscience but so what, we will win and we will compliment each other while we can.

    What matters most is that God above knows our names and what is in our hearts.

    Who would you rather have the repect of; a kid learning how to read for the first time or some candy assed pos from UofM or hahvahd that can’t even check his own oil?

    There will always be ingrates in Iraq and everywhere else and the msm will always throw them on the top of the pile

    but like the punk rockers of old we have to do it ourselves and not even give an inch to the idiots.

    P2 american/american.. | 12.14.08 – 6:24 pm |

  100. koyaan Says:

    j.b. wrote:

    Did y’all see President Bush duck that shoe coming straight at him during that presser in Baghdad? Dayuuum, that was impressive!

    Hehehe. Yeah. Looked like he even had a smile on his face too.

    Pretty crazy.

    k

  101. koyaan Says:

    Troy wrote (quoting Jefferson):

    “A wise and frugal government … shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government.”

    Heheh.

    I used that quote on the cover of a pamphlet I had printed up when I was running for a seat on the California State Assembly.

    Great quote.

    k

  102. rosettasister Says:

    It occurred to me Pat Dollard might be interesting tonight.

    But you may wish to bring along a bar of soap as he can be a bit harsh on the ears.

    The show starts at top of the hour.

    —————————-

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/stations/HeadingRight/patdollard

    One of Blog Talk Radio’s Most Phenomenal And Controversial Success Stories, Pat Dollard’s “The Jihadi Killer Hour” skyrockted to the top 5 most popular Conservative talk shows on BTR in a matter of weeks, and then swept every award given to a Conservative show just a few week’s later.

    Not one professional is involved with the show: it is a raw, barroom-brawling, shoot-em up, plain spoken, foul mouthed, BUT incisvely analytical, no BS, straight to the core truth, no matter how ugly, of any matter.

    The show is like a night of serious talk and serious drinking with your best friends at the worst corner bar.

    Yes, this show is unlike any in the history of talk radio. Mr. Dollard is the famous and heroic “Hollywood Pimp”(talent agent) who gave it all up to cover the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, in his own breakthrough rough and tumble style.

    He both personifies and transcends Hunter S. Thompson’s “Gonzo” and “Immersion” journalism. As Ed Driscoll said of Pat, “Hunter S. Thompson is rolling in his grave with envy.”

    Mr. Dollard was twice wounded by IED’s and ambushes and watched dozens of Young American heroes pay the ultimate price.

    Join us on the one show in America that IS the future of Conservative talk radio as we kill them all and let God sort it out.

  103. Tenacity Says:

    sba,
    I applaud your comment…no apology due. It is interesting how Leo is sick of Rush as well. I just read all of Leo’s comments on his satire piece. It was amost as depressing as reading “The screwtape Letters”. You can try to gloss over the truth, but it makes it no less the truth. If indeed the truth is that our Republic is dying or committing suicide as some of the founders warned, it is a sad truth indeed. You see my handle…I don’t know when to quit. I say get out the resuscitator…apply CPR before its too late. STAND READY! We will save it…It must be saved! We must organize and drive out those that want to vote themselves money. Am I unrealistic? Are there enough willing to stand ready? Is this the CHANGE that we must face? Is there no one to lead us to victory? Is there truly no Constitution…no SCOTUS…no rule of law to be championed? I DON’T KNOW HOW TO QUIT! I grew up under the sign that said “Quitters never win and winners never quit!” Must we secede? Must we face our apathetic & dependent neighbor? Someone must lead that has integrity and values! Where…Who is that leader?

  104. sliderblaze Says:

    It seems that most of these veterans didn’t know to do it either.

    q-audio.com/images/anthem.jpg

    One is saluting. One sort of has his hand on his heart. The rest simply have their hands down at their sides, or clasped in front of them as Obama had in the infamous photo.

    So what is to be made of these veterans?

    k

    i see nothing obama will do will upset some people and they’ll just make excuses. The military in my opinion, can do whatever the hell they want. So i guess if obama makes a backroom shady deal, it’s ok cus everyone in chicago is doing it. moron

  105. sliderblaze Says:

    But flag pins are nothing but symbolism over substance in every sense that it was applied by Rush to liberals. To paraphrase Rush, appearing patriotic is more important than actually being patriotic.

    yeah, to liberals. we see it everyday….support the troops but not the mission, even tho the troops support the mission. I dont need to wear a flag pin, then, go and where one. excuses excuses, you sound like a child

  106. sliderblaze Says:

    jrinNC Says:
    December 15, 2008 at 1:30 am

    Hey everyone, I am back only for a second not to create trouble, but to enlighten those who wish to be enlightened. I became disgusted by not only Koy’s responses to me, but responses to others as well and his underlying tone in his posts. I chose this blog, after looking at many, because the folks here responded without sarcasm. I get enough of that from my brother and was looking for people I could talk with who would listen and give their input without cramming junk down my throat and spouting off at the mouth. Folks here really do research – which is what I do. Whether it be truthful or not – that is why folks like you are here to find the facts and enlighten others to the truth as we best know it and/or believe with supportive evidence.

    I have been doing some surfing to find stuff Koy has been saying out there. I have not posted the exact comments, as if you are interested enough, you will go and look yourself. Go to Posted in comments on America’s Right (…w.americasright.com/) under article entitled “Fighting an Uphill Battle on Rollerskates – 108 comments.” Check out his rhetoric there (some OK, but some not) plus checkout what Anonymous said in response to one of his flippant tirades… “Dave December 10, 2008 5:06 PM”

    However, I have to give him credit as he has toned down some on here thanks to the few of you who have adamantly reminded him of his condescending remarks. But I still hear that underlying tone that he so carefully chooses to embed in his words and their intended meaning.

    — I rest my case. —

    Thanks for your support – you folks are GREAT – keep up the fight. I will be checking back off and on as I am also busy doing my own research and have been informed of new information that has not been posted here. If it pans out I will posts links/info.

    AGREED 100% there is no debating someone who is a party apologist. I’m sure he was one of the first one to bash palin over her “abuse” of power. Anyone who can “confuse” what you said as being racist, imo, is a closet bigot. Even my black friends who read that were pissed. Their comments went along the lines of, things i cant repeat here. These comments are usually made by older ignorant people who wouldnt know the meaning of a “hip” word even if they were of the younger age The same kinda people who parade around like they are smarter than everyone else but after you get past the BS, find they cant really make too much sense when they wanna disprove your point, and at the same time, blowing their own arguements outta the water doing so. Tragic, just tragic, but that is the liberal mindset. no offense Fox

  107. koyaan Says:

    sliderblaze wrote:

    i see nothing obama will do will upset some people and they’ll just make excuses.

    I’m not making excuses. I just don’t see what there is to actually be upset about.

    k

  108. sliderblaze Says:

    Yes you did, you defended his behavior with that of others about the salute to the flag. The well “they did it too” defense. Pathetic. If you didnt see anything wrong, thats all you had to say, instead, you excused his not doing it, cus others didnt.

  109. j.b. Says:

    Caption of photographs by person who posted them: “I took this today at the Smithsonian National Museum of American History in Wash. DC (12-14-2008).”

    h t t p ://s399.photobucket.com/albums/pp76/obamacitizen/?action=view&current=obama1.jpg

    h t t p ://s399.photobucket.com/albums/pp76/obamacitizen/?action=view&current=obama2.jpg

    Okay, does this PISS anyone else off? (if not, just keep it to youself, thanks)

  110. sdee Says:

    Catching up on the news today – I see McCain whacked the RNC (for their BlogoGate video) and kicked Sarah Palin in the ribs (won’t support her for 2012).

    Sarah ratchets up yet another notch 🙂

  111. sliderblaze Says:

    sdee Says:
    December 15, 2008 at 3:42 am

    Catching up on the news today – I see McCain whacked the RNC (for their BlogoGate video) and kicked Sarah Palin in the ribs (won’t support her for 2012).

    Sarah ratchets up yet another notch 🙂

    yep, i’m sure for the base, it’s the final straw. time to take out the trash…..

  112. j.b. Says:

    h t t p ://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/12/14/the-real-story-behind-the-rushed-blagojevich-bust-how-the-feds-are-frustrated-by-losing-maybe-half-of-their-case/

    Okay, so this makes sense as to WHY Fitzgerald did whet he did AND when he did it……….I feel so much better about that whole situation, now. Still HATE the press though………….Bastids.

  113. koyaan Says:

    sliderblaze wrote:

    AGREED 100% there is no debating someone who is a party apologist.

    Party apologist?

    I’d like nothing more than to see both the Democratic and Republican parties crash and burn. They’re the two pillars that support the whole Political Industrial Complex that have ultimately run this country into the ground.

    Party apologist?

    I don’t think so.

    I’m sure he was one of the first one to bash palin over her “abuse” of power.

    I’ve never really had anything at all to say about Palin. Or McCain or Obama or Hillary for that matter. I’ve never been part of the cult of personality surrounding political candidates. Whatever Palin might have done with regard to any abuse of power is for Alaskans to worry about. Not me.

    k

  114. j.b. Says:

    Anyone look to see Oblahma’s pic ALREADY at the Smitsonian? (Next to President Bush? ) Hasn’t even been inaugurated…………shame on them.

  115. sliderblaze Says:

    j.b. Fitz shoulda made that abosolutely clear and called out the tribune, i know i would have

  116. Foxtrot Says:

    Hi All! I have to go lay down–back pain! However, I wanted to leave my crack team of researchers with something to explore for tomorrow. Here is something I found on another blog. It may be a lie, but it is worth investigating!
    ———————

    Wait a sec. Has this fact slipped by everyone? Are you all aware that the state of Washington Supreme Court GRANTED A HEARING where Obama has to prove his citizenship on January 8th?

    Broe v. Reed, SoS WA Granted a Hearing – Oral Arguments, Jan. 8, 2009
    Washington State Supreme Court, Case No. 8-2-473-8. Obama must show he is:
    1. born on American soil, 2. the son of two American citizens.

  117. sliderblaze Says:

    Has anyone connected with the case spoken about it Fox

  118. koyaan Says:

    sliderblaze wrote:

    Yes you did, you defended his behavior with that of others about the salute to the flag. The well “they did it too” defense.

    I didn’t defend his behavior, I just questioned the big deal it was made out to be. Because I simply can’t understand how anyone could become so apoplectic about it.

    k

  119. Foxtrot Says:

    One more thing to check out from another blog. Again, don’t have time tonight to do my own reseach, but I am hoping I will get to it tomorrow. If anyone else wants to check it out, please do!
    ——————————————–

    “LEO

    LOOK INTO EL CAMINO HIGH SCHOOL IN CA. OBAMA WAS AN EXCHANGE STUDENT IN 1981
    GOT A AMERICAN SERVICE FIELD STUDENT SCHOLARSHIP
    LISTED AS
    SOETORO MOESTABJAB OF INDONESIA, EL CAMINO HIGH SCHOOL
    IN JOURNAL OF THE ASSEMBLY, LEG OF THE STATE OF CA
    YOU CAN GAIN A SMALL PORTION OF THE PAGE IN GOOGLE BOOKS, BUT WHEN YOU TRY TO PULL UP THE ENTIRE PAGE, ITS MISSING”

    I wonder if there is anything to this?
    AND ANOTHER POST THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT:

    BerlinBerlin // December 14, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    “SOETORO MOESTABJAB OF INDONESIA, EL CAMINO HIGH SCHOOL”

    Well, I could not find this journal.
    But, since I know the area, he probably means
    El Camino College, that’s a community college in LA county.

    And googling the name MOESTABJAB gets no matches.
    Offered alternative is MUSTAJAB.

    Maybe that was just a joke, but time and place fits in.

    AND ANOTHER POST RELATING TO IT AS WELL–WORTH CHECKING OUT THIS STORY:

    Berlin Berlin,

    I just read a day or two ago that Lolo Soetoro was not Obama’s stepfather’s full name, it was Lolo Soetoro Mustajab —– now I think that was the spelling — I believe the article said it was the town he was from, not sure. So there is definitely something to this.

    Do you think Berg is capable of looking into this as he seems to be discouraged. Maybe that female DDS/attorney Orly whatever might be more interested in doing the research. Do you know who I mean? Can you email your blog post above to her?

    AND LAST POST RELATING TO IT:

    jawohl, Wells!

    @Janet
    I found this comment on Orly’s page.
    Funny enough I live n the area of El Camino College.
    He said High School, there is also an El Camino Real High School in Woodland Hills (LA area)
    But I have the feeling he means the community college in Torrance.
    Janet // December 14, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    Berlin Berlin & everyone:
    Here is the address & phone # for El Camino College in CA:

    El Camino College (ECC)
    16007 Crenshaw Blvd.
    Torrance, CA 90506
    1-310-660-3493

    Perhaps we can call or write for a list of people who came in on a foreign scholarship in 1981.

    That would be 27 years ago when Obama was 20 yrs old. So where was he for two years after high school? Or maybe he’s not really 47? Whatever, let’s try to get that 1981 list.

  120. Foxtrot Says:

    Slider–I just went on a few blogs I frequent and found it. It is being talked about on several blogs but I don’t know anything. That is why I want someone at Rosetta to try and check it out. I will also try to check it out tomorrow when I am up and around.

  121. sliderblaze Says:

    NO, that is defending it, or you woulda just said, no big deal to you. But like kids do, you wanna point out others doing it. “Well, he did it first” mentality. There is no escaping that fact….

    And if you dont know the big deal, i.e. millions dying to protect that flag, then, you cant be helped. I for one, want my president to act like supreme citizen and not only DISPLAY PATRIOTISM, BUT ACT LIKE A PATRIOT.

    Disgraceful

  122. Foxtrot Says:

    Rosetta, maybe you could check out the two stories I just posted as well. I hope to have more information whether they are true or not, some time tomorrow.

    Good night everyone!

  123. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    night Foxy

    just lurking,…. don’t post much with IT here

  124. j.b. Says:

    Holy SH!T, FoxT! Good FIND! I will try to look into it-what the heck, Christmas will be back next year. 🙂

    I had recently heard about that Mustajab name being linked to OLiar………Damn, this just gets better and better. Well, worse, but never b o r i n g. Well……..oh, nevermind.

  125. j.b. Says:

    justanamericancindy4 Says:

    December 15, 2008 at 4:14 am
    night Foxy

    just lurking,…. don’t post much with IT here

    I was wondwering about that. Well, we need to all make a joint .effort to NOT ENGAGE. PERIOD. I think IT has chased a few away and ROSETTA, are you reading this……….?
    The Wet Blanket is affecting the mood, the weather and now the posting habits of respected regulars. Is IT worth it?

  126. sliderblaze Says:

    I was wondwering about that. Well, we need to all make a joint .effort to NOT ENGAGE. PERIOD. I think IT has chased a few away and ROSETTA, are you reading this……….?
    The Wet Blanket is affecting the mood, the weather and now the posting habits of respected regulars. Is IT worth it?

    it does seem that less and less research is flowing these days, hmmm, wonder what the common denominator is?

  127. Troy Says:

    “LEO

    LOOK INTO EL CAMINO HIGH SCHOOL IN CA. OBAMA WAS AN EXCHANGE STUDENT IN 1981
    GOT A AMERICAN SERVICE FIELD STUDENT SCHOLARSHIP
    LISTED AS
    SOETORO MOESTABJAB OF INDONESIA, EL CAMINO HIGH SCHOOL
    IN JOURNAL OF THE ASSEMBLY, LEG OF THE STATE OF CA
    YOU CAN GAIN A SMALL PORTION OF THE PAGE IN GOOGLE BOOKS, BUT WHEN YOU TRY TO PULL UP THE ENTIRE PAGE, ITS MISSING”
    ————————————————————
    I’ve been on this for a while and still digging.

    http//
    books.google.com/books?q=SOETORO+MOESTABJAB+OF+INDONESIA%2C+EL+CAMINO+HIGH+SCHOOL&btnG=Search+Books

  128. sliderblaze Says:

    anyway someone can go down to the HS who lives near there and look at some sort of a year book?

  129. sliderblaze Says:

    college, my bad

  130. koyaan Says:

    Foxtrot wrote (quoting from another blog):

    Wait a sec. Has this fact slipped by everyone? Are you all aware that the state of Washington Supreme Court GRANTED A HEARING where Obama has to prove his citizenship on January 8th?

    Broe v. Reed, SoS WA Granted a Hearing – Oral Arguments, Jan. 8, 2009
    Washington State Supreme Court, Case No. 8-2-473-8. Obama must show he is:
    1. born on American soil, 2. the son of two American citizens.

    That’s incorrect. Obama doesn’t have to prove or show anything. Quite the opposite actually.

    Whomever wrote this seems to have completely overlooked the fact that Obama is not even a party to the lawsuit.

    The only defendant in the suit is Samual Reed, Secretary of State for the State of Washington.

    What they’re filing is a petition for a writ of mandamus, and the relief they’re seeking is that the Secretary of State set aside the votes cast for Obama back on November 4th, based on their claim that Obama is not a natural born citizen.

    So the burden of proof is on the plaintiffs in this case. Not Obama. Again, Obama is not even a party to the lawsuit.

    Of course they’ll first have to get past the issue of standing, which is likely what the oral arguments will center on.

    Here’s the filing by the plaintiffs:

    decalogosintl.org/documents/BROE_v._REED_-_Petition_for_Writ_of_Mandamus.pdf

    k

  131. Troy Says:

    Soetoro Moestabjab attended El Camino High School in South San Francisco in 1981….He was there on a scholarship of some sort and was an exchange student….I have already verified all of this….I’m currently looking through archives for a photo.

  132. j.b. Says:

    I honestly don’t know……….do exchange students get their pic in the yearbook?

  133. j.b. Says:

    Thanks, Troy! Could “we” be onto something here………………?

  134. sliderblaze Says:

    Koyaan, it’s a once removed demand.

    the suit is against the SOS, the SOS disqualified Calero cus he wasnt a NBC, so how did the SOS come to that conclusion?

    It would make the SOS verify EVERYONE and how is that done, through REAL documentation….

  135. sliderblaze Says:

    J.B. they did at my highschool. we always had one or two, usually from the Bloc

  136. Anonymouse Says:

    Hi, longtime reader here because I appreciate you guys’ ears to the ground. I don’t know whether this is the same Soetoro who is the subject of the Soetoro-El Camino High School posts, but FWIW:

    This blogger —

    http://democratfreeblog.wordpress.com/2008/10/18/pics-of-soetoro/

    wonders who is the Soetoro (no second name) pictured at El Camino High School.

    Soetoro photo —

    The high school Soetoro’s ear shape

    is not Obama’s ear shape

    If the photographed Soetoro at El Camino High School is Moestabjab, they are not one and the same.

  137. sliderblaze Says:

    DAMN, Dallas won, grrrrr

  138. koyaan Says:

    Foxtrot wrote (quoting another blog):

    LOOK INTO EL CAMINO HIGH SCHOOL IN CA. OBAMA WAS AN EXCHANGE STUDENT IN 1981

    Obama was still in high school when he was 20 years old?

    And how does the name “Soetoro Moestabjab” tie in with Obama in any way, other than his stepfather’s last name was Soetoro?

    k

  139. Troy Says:

    http//
    books.google.com/books?id=w6s3AAAAIAAJ&q=SOETORO+MOESTABJAB+OF+INDONESIA,+EL+CAMINO+HIGH+SCHOOL&dq=SOETORO+MOESTABJAB+OF+INDONESIA,+EL+CAMINO+HIGH+SCHOOL&pgis=1

    It appears that Soetoro went to high school in S. San Fran at El Camino High School…I still haven’t found which college he attended on a scholarship….El Camino College appears to be a local community college…Still looking

  140. sliderblaze Says:

    Did you all read about Googles staff selecting which sites get “searched”

  141. j.b. Says:

    Thanks, sliderblaze……..pssst, will you please consider not talking to IT?

  142. sliderblaze Says:

    Done J.B.

  143. j.b. Says:

    Did you all read about Googles staff selecting which sites get “searched”

    I glanced over it………

  144. koyaan Says:

    sliderblaze wrote:

    Koyaan, it’s a once removed demand.

    the suit is against the SOS, the SOS disqualified Calero cus he wasnt a NBC, so how did the SOS come to that conclusion?

    It would make the SOS verify EVERYONE and how is that done, through REAL documentation….

    There is no demand that the Secretary of State verify anything. The only demand is that the Secretary of State set aside the votes for Obama from the November 4th election. That’s it.

    Plaintiffs seek a Writ of Mandamus to order the Secretary of State to set aside the votes cast for Sen. Obama pursuant to RCW 29A.68.120, because Sen. Obama was openly ineligible under the applicable laws leading up to a presidential election in 2008 because he was not a “natural born citizen,” because he has failed to establish that he has naturalized as an American citizen, or that his legal name is Barack Hussein Obama.

    k

  145. sliderblaze Says:

    God, i’m loving the, He’s delusional spin that the msm is giving the Blago ordeal. oOo, we’ll have to remember that and put it in our playbook,

    New scandals:

    “remember that other Delusional democrat, seems to be a pattern here”

  146. j.b. Says:

    sliderblaze Says:

    December 15, 2008 at 4:38 am
    Done J.B.

    🙂

    So, if THIS newest thing is true, (which btw, I think it is, because it explains SO much about WHY OLIAR would be hiding anything and everything attached to his name) then IT IS BIG- BUT how will it be any different as far as the Presstitutes (h/t some other blog I can’t possibly recall at this time) are concerned?

  147. sliderblaze Says:

    Obama was openly ineligible under the applicable laws leading up to a presidential election in 2008 because he was not a “natural born citizen,” because he has failed to establish that he has naturalized as an American citizen, or that his legal name is Barack Hussein Obama.

    k

    this is my last comment to you cus, ur gay…not that theres anything wrong with that lol 😉

    Yes, and if ruled against the SOS, what would the SOS have to do in order to cast the votes for Obama? MAKE HIM VERIFY WHO HE IS. HENCE, ONCE REMOVED. i kno it might be a hard concept to grasp but….a lil thought might help that out.

    sorry J.b. but, thats the last time i’ll engage cus…wow

  148. j.b. Says:

    New scandals:

    “remember that other Delusional democrat, seems to be a pattern here”

    I know! The latest article I read about how “Blaogos been getting worse recently…..blah-go, blah-go, blah-go” the guy they quoted told a story about an incident that happened in 1996! OMG- That’s 12 friggin’ years ago!
    Plus calling him “crazy” does not say much for OLiar as he HELPED Blago get re-elected TWO years ago! Such hypocrites.

  149. sliderblaze Says:

    one thing is for sure, there are millions of questions and not many answers, well, good answers anyway. Just like this Blago deal, tons of questions and Obama has had crappy answers or non at all. Even rendell, who is my gov who i cant stand (since he’s been running on property tax relief for like 6 yrs now and havent produced ANY yes) thinks is shady

  150. j.b. Says:

    Oops, forgot my blockquote up dere.

    One step at a time, slider…………..Hey, are you a d a d d y, yet?

  151. sliderblaze Says:

    Dude needs to spill the beans, and i think he will. Unless O calls him and says he’ll get pardon the 21st which at this point, i wouldnt put it past him. Rendell was talking about these quontumfies his inexperience as an executive…..wait, wasnt rendell talking up his exect. experience during the campaign.

    I cant believe pa voted Slick eddy back in, i wanted Lynn Swann

  152. j.b. Says:

    h t t p://w w w
    .theonion.com/content/news/international_con_man_barack_obama

    Funny stuff OLiar related here.

  153. sliderblaze Says:

    no daddy yet, he’s still hanging in there….

  154. sliderblaze Says:

    “I’m devastated,” Pennsylvania resident and Obama donor Denise Bell told reporters. “I just hope he comes back soon so he can be our president.”

    i love that last line, that explains soooo many people we’ve recently run into in here and throughout the campaign. The pinned that tail right on the donkey, so to speak….lol

  155. Troy Says:

    Soetoro attended El Camino High School in San Fran from 1975 – 1979 (graduated)….Looking for pic

    http//
    www
    classmates.com/community/school/list?communityId=5997&startYear=1976&endYear=1980&yearRangeType=1&page=35

  156. j.b. Says:

    “I’m devastated,” Pennsylvania resident and Obama donor Denise Bell told reporters. “I just hope he comes back soon so he can be our president.”

    Wait. This was in response to OHellNo going on vacation?
    omg…….

  157. sliderblaze Says:

    Wait. This was in response to OHellNo going on vacation?
    omg…….

    no that was the onion article on him leaving the country with the 85 million and conning america.

  158. j.b. Says:

    OMG! It’s NO WONDER NO ONE REMEMBERS HIM! AFTERALL, HE LOOKS DIFFERENT (WE ALL DO) AND BARACK OBAMA WAS NOT HIS NAME IN HIGH SCHOOL!

    BTW, I graduated in ’79 and am the same age as OhellNo says he is.

    You go TROY!

  159. sliderblaze Says:

    Troy, do they have him listed as an foreign exchange student, or just as and exchange student?

  160. j.b. Says:

    no that was the onion article on him leaving the country with the 85 million and conning america.

    LOL. doh.

  161. koyaan Says:

    I think I can save you all a lot of work here.

    I don’t believe that the El Camino High School being referred to is in Oceanside or San Francisco.

    If you take a look at the snippet from Google Books, you’ll see the following high schools mentioned:

    Encina High School
    El Camino High School
    La Sierra High School
    Sacramento High School

    What all of these high school names have in common, is that they’re all names of high schools located in Sacramento.

    I know, because that’s where I live.

    k

  162. j.b. Says:

    Wait-didn’t Barack play basketball in H.S.? And aren’t there pics of him doing just that in Hawaii?

  163. sliderblaze Says:

    timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article5342926.ece

    uh, how is withdrawln from a stable iraq, humilating? only in a liberal mind. thats that crazy ideology we’ve come to know and not love.

  164. j.b. Says:

    I don’t know, slider, but not long ago the British soldiers (serving in Iraq)were being criticised by their own peeps for being “fat and lazy”. *shrugs*

  165. sliderblaze Says:

    i think we should do a social experiment, disarm all of California, tell them that since they loathe our military and since they want schools instead of bombs, we cut off cali from the union, state we will not protect them, shut down and move all military out of the state, instead, they can have all that funding for schools and such and their social programs

    Lets see how long the last….

  166. j.b. Says:

    I’m reading over at Citizenwells and he seems to think the hammer is about to come down on “their” (as in, not “our”) man. (my words, not is) Much of what he writes on this particular subject does make sense. Methodical as Fitz seems to be………..Santa might come early this year!

  167. sliderblaze Says:

    like i said, no virgins in a whore house…..
    Fox would disagree but….lol

  168. j.b. Says:

    i think we should do a social experiment, disarm all of California, tell them that since they loathe our military and since they want schools instead of bombs, we cut off cali from the union, state we will not protect them, shut down and move all military out of the state, instead, they can have all that funding for schools and such and their social programs

    Lets see how long the last….

    omgosh, my husband and I had that very conversation just before the election, but we made the challenge a bit bigger. Blue states vs. Red.

    Hey, Troy! How’s it going? I think Obambi was in Hawaii until at least 1979………..no?

  169. sliderblaze Says:

    therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2008/10/18/pringle-mansion-deal-mutual-bank-anita-and-amrish-mahajan-the-daley-gang-excerpts/

    from october, when they say tip of the iceberg, they aint lying….

  170. koyaan Says:

    Yup. Most definitely it was El Camino High School in Sacramento.

    I was able to make out that the last three words above the cutoff portion on Google Books was “to the following” and searching on “following adults” was able to pull up the text from above the cutoff.

    It reads:

    On request of Senator Gibson, the privilege of the floor of the Senate Chamber for this day was unanimously extended to the following adults and American Field Service Scholarship students: Mrs. Jean Hartley, Mrs. Elaine Yates, and Mrs. Natalie Lord. Students–Helga Wanke, Austria, Encina High School; Soetoro Moestabjab, Indonesia, El Camino High School; Jacqueline Corsin, France, La Sierra High School; Martine Marechael, Belgium, Sacramento High School;

    This seems to be a rather routine thing done for students and other guests. In the entry above, the floor was extended to “Mr. Falk, creator of the comic strips: Mandrake, The Magician, and The Phantom.”

    k

  171. sliderblaze Says:

    read above article i know it is 6 pages long, however, you’ll begin to see that a lot of these people are connected, especially after you “google” the names of the people who are all involved, there is a treasure trove of info on all of them. Blago, Obama, Rezko, uncle Amrish, the owner of Mutual, anita, who was indicted of fraud charges…it’s down right incredible….and this was written in October, not to mention some of these things happend since 2002

  172. sliderblaze Says:

    suprisingly, obama knew nothing about any of this….this guy for being so smart, doenst know a whole freakn lot, which leads me to the conclusion…….LIAR. hell, when i got busted for a possesion of a controlled substance. EVERYONE KNEW WITHIN 24 HRS. what a joke….

  173. j.b. Says:

    h t t p ://w w w.audacityofhypocrisy.com/fashion-shows/

    Geez, between the article you posted and this link, which has a section called, “Laundry List of Lies”, I now cannot see straight and am getting a headache. Time to wrap some gifts! TTYL~

  174. j.b. Says:

    suprisingly, obama knew nothing about any of this….this guy for being so smart, doenst know a whole freakn lot, which leads me to the conclusion…….LIAR. hell, when i got busted for a possesion of a controlled substance. EVERYONE KNEW WITHIN 24 HRS. what a joke….

    Yeah and Bush is the “Idiot”. pfffffffft. He’s going down, I can feel it.

  175. sba1872 Says:

    Back again and reading, trying to catch up. Is anyone here registered at teamsarah.org?

  176. sliderblaze Says:

    i am sba

  177. ddlew Says:

    sliderblaze Says:
    December 15, 2008 at 4:34 am

    DAMN, Dallas won, grrrrr

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    How ‘BOUT THEM COWBOYS!!

  178. sba1872 Says:

    slider,

    I pulled up this page searching on altavista.com but I can’t actually get in to see the full comment. Maybe you can.

    altavista.com/web/results?itag=ody&q=Soetoro+Moestabjab&kgs=1&kls=0

  179. sliderblaze Says:

    searchin now

    DD, screw your “boys” no racial connotation lol

  180. Troy Says:

    Obama began college at Occidental in 1981 – 1983….He went by his Indonesian name “Barry”…At some point while at Occidental he decided to start using the name “Barack”….I wonder when and if he made his LEGAL name change….Upon leaving Indonesia his leagal name was
    Barry Soetoro (Moestabjab??? who knows?)

    http//
    www
    oxy.edu/x8273.xml

    http//
    www
    calgold.com/calgold/Default.asp?Series=10000&Show=1024

  181. ddlew Says:

    sliderblaze Says:
    December 15, 2008 at 6:25 am

    searchin now

    DD, screw your “boys” no racial connotation lol

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Have you seen that new stadium Jerry’s building? That thing is sick!

  182. sliderblaze Says:

    yeah, it’s really impressive. seems that the eagles and cowboys will be racing for a wild card slot, it’s a shame that a 10-6 team might not make it tot he playoffs again this year, if the eagles win out, that tie they had will be the thing that drags them in. who woulda thunk it?

  183. ddlew Says:

    True but I don’t think Philly wins heads up against Dallas again. I don’t say that because I’m a Dallas fan, I just think Philly might be going the other way.

  184. sliderblaze Says:

    DD, wrong, convincing win over Arizona, Convincing with over NY, and yes, it was convincing, even tho the score was close, they scored a td in garbage time and scored 7 off that blocked fg attempt. That was their only highlights Eagles look good, i for one, cant wait for the dallas game, AND ITS IN PHILLY….thats right. That game may be the deciding game on who goes to the playoffs, eagles/dallas. i always love the dallas eagles game, in my opinion, its the best nfl rivalry out there

  185. Tenacity Says:

    sba,
    I posted a response to you at 2:33 GST

  186. sliderblaze Says:

    sba1872 Says:
    December 15, 2008 at 6:17 am

    slider,

    I pulled up this page searching on altavista.com but I can’t actually get in to see the full comment. Maybe you can.

    cant seem to find it, i see its on there in the search, just dont know under what comment thread.

  187. Troy Says:

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Lolo Soetoro also known as Lolo Soetoro Mangunharjo[1][2] or Mangundikardjo

  188. ddlew Says:

    sliderblaze Says:
    December 15, 2008 at 6:46 am

    DD, wrong, convincing win over Arizona, Convincing with over NY, and yes, it was convincing, even tho the score was close, they scored a td in garbage time and scored 7 off that blocked fg attempt. That was their only highlights Eagles look good, i for one, cant wait for the dallas game, AND ITS IN PHILLY….thats right. That game may be the deciding game on who goes to the playoffs, eagles/dallas. i always love the dallas eagles game, in my opinion, its the best nfl rivalry out there

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Oh I’m sorry. Did I say that I didn’t THINK Philly can beat Dallas next game?

    How about this….

    DALLAS WINS!! Philly aint got a shot. lol! From a true, LIFETIME Dallas fan.

  189. Tenacity Says:

    Troy,
    Check this out: http: //wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=83640

  190. sliderblaze Says:

    philly over Dallas 24-17

  191. sba1872 Says:

    Tenacity,

    Because you pointed me to it, I read all the comments and Leo’s responses. Then I had to close down the laptop for a while. I really don’t know what is to be done. I share your concern but I’m still thinking about it. It’s quite apparent that there are deliberately hidden truths. It’s very difficult not to borrow one of Patty’s tinfoil hats. I’m resisting, but it’s difficult. We have no idea what we’re up against in attempting to resist “the change.”

  192. sliderblaze Says:

    geneall.net/U/per_page.php?id=1025004

    dude is listed as Mangunwhogivesashit too.

  193. ddlew Says:

    sliderblaze Says:
    December 15, 2008 at 7:04 am

    philly over Dallas 24-17

    +++++++++++++++++++++

    Hush before I hit you with a battery!

  194. sliderblaze Says:

    TO gets one, Witten gets one, johnson dials up the blitz, romo intercepted twice but samual and by dawkins on deflected pass, westbrook 2 td’s, jackson gets one….romo suffers a severe concussion on a dawkins delayed blitz….lol

  195. sliderblaze Says:

    Mangunharjo seems to be a location in Indonasia. Do indonesians us the locastion sometimes as a surname, I.e. Lolo seotoro of Mangunharjo?

  196. ddlew Says:

    sliderblaze Says:
    December 15, 2008 at 7:11 am

    TO gets one, Witten gets one, johnson dials up the blitz, romo intercepted twice but samual and by dawkins on deflected pass, westbrook 2 td’s, jackson gets one….romo suffers a severe concussion on a dawkins delayed blitz….lol

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Ware and James will be keeping McNabb so busy, he might just pull another “sports hernia”!

  197. Tenacity Says:

    sba,
    It is mind numbing. I keep praying for God to intervene and save this country. Did you see Leo’s comment about taking a mark or chip?

  198. Troy Says:

    sliderblaze Says:

    December 15, 2008 at 7:16 am
    Mangunharjo seems to be a location in Indonasia. Do indonesians us the locastion sometimes as a surname, I.e. Lolo seotoro of Mangunharjo?
    ——————————
    It appears so

  199. Troy Says:

    The El Camino High School thing led nowhere

  200. sliderblaze Says:

    idk my man, seems the running game will keep them two busy. i never really understood rieds and his decission not to run him all this time, westbrook is amazing. they running game is what we been missing

  201. Troy Says:

    I think Leo must have toosed back a few drinks before he wrote that last article….His comments to viewers sounded like the ramblings of a depressed drunkard

  202. ddlew Says:

    Troy Says:
    December 15, 2008 at 7:23 am

    I think Leo must have toosed back a few drinks before he wrote that last article….His comments to viewers sounded like the ramblings of a depressed drunkard

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I’m beginning to think that Leo might not have it all together .. up there.

  203. Tenacity Says:

    Troy,
    I was started to think the same thing, but then he would make completely sober comments in the midst of it. I believe he is just spent. Some of the commenters were correct that he needed to recharge. I just afraid he is correct in his thinking. Not being defeatist, but recognizing that no one is going to step up and defend the Constitution.

  204. Tenacity Says:

    dd,
    Leo’s definitely got a few disconnects, but he is also brilliant. Always seems to be a fine line between genius and bunkers.

  205. Troy Says:

    His line of reasoning on the citizenship issue was sharp as a tac

  206. sliderblaze Says:

    headlines for tomorrow anyone have any ideas? i mean besides dallas going down like a drunkn prom date?

  207. Tenacity Says:

    Slider,
    Tomorrow could be one of the biggest days in the history of our country. If not for what happens, then for what doesn’t happen. Normally, 90% of the states would have already submitted and certified their electors’ votes. Last time I looked, only about 1/3 had certified/submitted. The SCOTUS gets the opportunity to rule on the NBC definition and most likely will dodge the poison chalice without comment. Fitz could surprise us all or not.

    What’s your take?

  208. sliderblaze Says:

    foxnews.com/politics/elections/2008/12/15/emanuel-blagojevich-aides-discussed-senate-seat/

    WSJ is report that emanual WAS dispatched by O but may have not talked to BLago directly, but, to his aids. There seems to be a back and forth over the days about different things so, who knows if a deal was being hatched. Seems like the deal went south when the Tribune was about to release the story, i wonder if there was a tip off of that?

    The Scotus case, i think they will reject it, without an opinion on it. I could be wrong tho and hope i am. However, other cases are begining to trickle in….so….i hope berg has something good

  209. BerlinBerlin Says:

    This case is actually going to be heard!

    Date Set For Broe v. Reed
    December 10, 2008
    Contact: Stephen Pidgeon, Attorney at Law, P.S.
    Tel: (425) 605-4774 Fax: (425) 818-5371
    Email: attorney@stephenpidgeon.com

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

    12 Washington voters sue to set aside the election of Barack Obama in Washington.

    Bellevue, WA, December 10, 2008 — The Washington Supreme Court has set a date for the case Broe v. Reed, to be heard en banc on January 8, 2009.

    On December 4, 2008, James (Jim) Broe and 11 other Washington voters sued Secretary of State Sam Reed in the Washington Supreme Court, seeking a Writ of Mandamus to require the Secretary to set aside the votes cast for Senator Barack Obama, because at the time of the election, Senator Obama had failed to establish that he was a “natural born citizen” of the United States, failed to establish that he was an American citizen, and that he was not running under his legal name of Barry Soetoro.

    “The issue of standing seems to be behind us,” said Stephen Pidgeon, counsel for the plaintiffs. “What remains is to establish the duty of the Secretary of State, under Article III, Sections 4 and 17 of the Washington constitution, under RCW 29A.04.230 which names the Secretary as the state’s chief of elections, and under relevant administrative codes which also require the Secretary to act.”

    Pidgeon goes on to say that “each candidate that stands in a primary election must make a declaration of candidacy, stating that ‘at the time of filing this declaration, I am legally qualified to assume office if elected.’ The Secretary of State has a constitutionally imposed duty to determine if the candidate is telling the truth.”

  210. sba1872 Says:

    Not really news, but I needed to laugh and John Kass makes me laugh every time he writes about Blago. Calls him Dead Meat.

    chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-kass-blago-14-dec14,0,2487119.column

    As everybody knows by now, Dead Meat was caught on federal tape, allegedly trying to sell President-elect Barack Obama’s Senate seat to the highest bidder. So Dead Meat was declared insane.

    They pointed to those f-bombs on the federal tape and that crazy hair of his. The other paper in town even ran a hair “expose” on its Page 2, saying the governor’s ample hair helmet proved he was mentally unstable.

    But that same day, I diagnosed Blagojevich as quite sane, because all he did was act like just another corrupt Chicago politician. He squeezed people. That’s how things are done in the city that is not Camelot.

    ====

    Tenacity,

    I didn’t recall seeing that “mark or chip” reference by Leo so I went back. Now I know why I didn’t see it. I automatically skip over any comments anywhere that mention the antichrist. I am just not going there.

  211. Tenacity Says:

    From what I read, it sounded like Harris had spoken to ORahma, but got no satisfaction. There is nothing criminal about ORahma providing a list of preferences for replacements. If That One gets nailed, it will be for stacking that board and funding that hospital.

    The SCOTUS…I can’t believe how gutless the so-called originalists & conservatives have been. The only thing that will surprise me at this point is if 4 of them show any signs of real patriotism at this point.

    Berg’s case under the “False Claims Acts” intrigues me. I don’t see how the DC District Court can deny standing on that. But then I don’t see how the courts have denied standing on any of these constitutional issues.

  212. Tenacity Says:

    sba,
    regardless of your take or avoidance of the anti-Christ, there are a lot of people, myself included, that will refuse to take any mark or chip (like a national ID chip) because of Scriptural instructions. That One strikes me as great disappointment for candidacy as the anti-C, but the way the sheeple flock to him gives rise to the possibility.

  213. sliderblaze Says:

    ‘Obama left with little time to curb global warming’…’cooling trend illustrates how fast the world is warming’…

    cant remember if i posted this yet but, Wow, just wow

  214. sliderblaze Says:

    suntimes.com/news/metro/blagojevich/1330921,CST-NWS-SNL14.article

    haha

  215. Tenacity Says:

    Slider,
    Did you mean to post something? You don’t need to for me. I saw where over 600 scientist just came out debunking the whole human effect claims that the left have been using to seize economic power.

  216. sba1872 Says:

    Tenacity,

    I certainly respect your feelings and beliefs. I just don’t think that’s what we’re faced with here. I don’t know exactly what’s going on, but I still have faith in our system. And I don’t believe God has abandoned us (meaning the U.S.) either.

  217. sliderblaze Says:

    SBA, seems like there are a lot who’ve abandoned him….

  218. Tenacity Says:

    The fact that so many have abandoned Him, is precisely why I am concerned that He may allow the US to have a rotten leader that will give rise to a Spiritual awakening. There is obviously a pattern of this in the Old Testament.

  219. Lyn Says:

    Found this in comments at TD’s didn’t get to check because it is really lat almost 4 so going to sleep , if anyone finds if this is there thanks

    Yankeegirl
    Check out pg 20 of the Fitzgerald complaint. “At the relevant time period (Dec 2003), the (Illinois Health Facilities) Planning Board consisted of nine individuals.”

    This short, but sweet, sentence that caught my eye late last week does not mention what is at the base of much Illinois corruption. It encompasses both Barack and Michelle Obama from his time as Illinois State Senator and hers as Vice President for Community Relations at the U of Chicago Hospital. It is as if Fitzie has given us that “Fitzmas” gift early. What’s not mentioned in the complaint is the “how” of that nine members, how it was reduced from 15 by a bill that Barack Obama sponsored in the legislature when he was Chair of the Health etc Committee, Senate bill 1332, I think it was. It would be easier for the Gov (Blago) to put in 9 crooks on the Planning Board than 15 and Rezko was in charge of enforcing the “donations” received from those with pending Certificates of Need before the Board for their particular construction projects throughout the state. Lovely. It’s Barack’s “fingerprints” that are all over this, IMO, and Blago is only the most recent victim to be tossed under the Obama bus.

  220. Tenacity Says:

    If you look at the churches in the Bible, there are 2 churches that are not rebuked. One is being persecuted and the other is actively evangelizing. As a country, we are certainly not doing the latter and may well be headed for the former.

  221. Tenacity Says:

    Lyn,
    Thanks…this is precisely what I was referring to in an earlier post, but didn’t take the time to dig it out. Obama was primarily responsible for getting the state legislature to fund that project. No question a pay to play situation directly involving That One.

  222. sba1872 Says:

    Well, I don’t know what to say about that as I’m not feeling it. If I felt that this is what was happening, I guess I would pray over it. I don’t feel it’s time to panic. If this guy was the silver-tongued anti-Christ, he wouldn’t be caught up in a scandal before he took the oath of office. I don’t believe he is either the Obamassiah or the anti-messiah. He’s not all that. We will survive.

  223. Bones Says:

    Lolo Soetoro at El Camino HS…?

    http//
    democratfreeblog.wordpress.com/2008/10/18/pics-of-soetoro/

  224. sba1872 Says:

    Thanks, Bones!

  225. sba1872 Says:

    I think the second photo in that link looks like Lolo in the link below. He has a very friendly open countenance in both.

    kansasprairie.net/kansasprairieblog/?p=7020

  226. Bones Says:

    Yes, sba I thought the same. Looks just like him to me.

  227. Bones Says:

    A couple of other interesting tidbits:

    1) On the link I posted above, there is a mention of Obama having attended 1st college in California.

    2) Go to the afs.org page and start researching by looking at their 90-year history. Look at the picture for 70’s and 80’s. Is it just me, or does that look like it could be Obama, and possibly his little sister Maya with him? What year did you say that was Troy? 1981? Hmm.

  228. KAY Says:

    I LOOKED AT THE PICTURE AT AFS.ORG AND I BELIEVE IT IS OBAMA HE LOOKS LIKE THAT WHEN HE HAD A PICTURE TAKEN IN HAWAII . HE WORE A AFRO HAIR STYLE , CANT ANYONE CONTACT ANY OF THE STUDENTS THAT WERE EXCHANGE STUDENTS AND QUESTION THEM IF THEY KNEW BARACK , WHY IS THERE NO ONE FROM ANY OF HIS SCHOOL YEARS WILLLING TO COME FORWARD AND SAY ANYTHING ABOUT BARACK , I DONT GET IT HE MUST OF KNOW SOMEONE AND SOMEONE MUST OF KNOWN HIM , WHY DO THEY KEEP THIER MOUTH SHUT ABOUT OBAMA SCHOOL YEARS .

  229. Foxtrot Says:

    I see my little homework assignment has sparked alot of research thus far! Good work gang! I have a meeting to dash to, but I too will do research on these two items when I get back. Fascinating subjects though, huh?

  230. sdee Says:

    slider wrote:*** ‘Obama left with little time to curb global warming’…’cooling trend illustrates how fast the world is warming’…
    cant remember if i posted this yet but, Wow, just wow***

    Alinsky rule to create the crisis. Time is running out alright – won’t be long before even the green sheeple figure out we’ve been had. Gotta set the Gore Ponzi carbon credit scheme in motion.

  231. sliderblaze Says:

    so we went from them claiming the ace age was coming in the 70’s, to global warming in the 90’s 00’s, now back to an ice age, i see a pattern here, it’s called cyclical climate change, it happens all the freakn time, its natural

  232. Foxtrot Says:

    Bones and Kay–both photos do look like Obama! The plot thickens!

  233. sliderblaze Says:

    Very weird indeed Fox, hmmmmm, yearbook anyone?

  234. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Morning, anyone here?

  235. Foxtrot Says:

    Here is some more info to check out, from another blogger. Someone should call these classmates and ask them some questions:

    Classmates are finally speaking:

    Jakarta – US president-elect Barack Obama’s former classmates in Indonesia swelled with pride Wednesday and congratulated the Democratic candidate for becoming the first black president of the United States. Dewi Asmara Oetojo, who was a schoolmate of Obama when he went to a primary school in Jakarta in the 1960s expressed the feelings of the Illinois senator’s old school friends: “It’s just amazing. We are so proud of him,” she said.

    Asmara, who is a member of Indonesia’s parliament, said she never thought Obama had leadership qualities but remembers the boy as an easygoing person and also “very wise.”

    Obama, the child of a Kenyan father and an American mother, moved to Indonesia at age 6 with his mother.

    Asmara expressed hope that Obama’s childhood stay in Indonesia would make him different from other American presidents.

    “We are very happy,” said Widiyanto, another classmate, explaining that Obama had been active in various school activities, including involvement in the boyscouts.

    Hundreds of spectators shouted “Long live Obama,” when the US ambassador to Indonesia, Cameron Hume, announced Obama’s victory at an embassy event and asked attendants to cheer the 47-year-old senator.

    Hundreds of students at Obama’s old school, the Menteng 1 primary school, celebrated Obama’s election win by shouting “Long live Obama,” and “Obama wins! McCain loses!” as classes were stopped to watch the election coverage on local television.

    “It’s just great. We are very happy and proud to have Barack Obama win the election,” headmaster Kuwadiyanto said, adding that there was an emotional connection between the students and Obama.

    Vice President Jusuf Kalla also congratulated Obama, saying that he is the hope of the American people and the world.

    “The American people want the change. And this also is the hope of the world. As we are hoping Obama wins. I congratulate Obama,” detik.com quoted Kalla as saying.
    [url=[/http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/240122,former-indonesian-classmates-cheer-obama.html][/http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/240122,former-indonesian-classmates-cheer-obama.html

  236. Foxtrot Says:

    (Sorry Rosetta. Will post again without h t t p:// w w w)

    Here is some more info to check out, from another blogger. Someone should call these classmates and ask them some questions:

    Classmates are finally speaking:

    Jakarta – US president-elect Barack Obama’s former classmates in Indonesia swelled with pride Wednesday and congratulated the Democratic candidate for becoming the first black president of the United States. Dewi Asmara Oetojo, who was a schoolmate of Obama when he went to a primary school in Jakarta in the 1960s expressed the feelings of the Illinois senator’s old school friends: “It’s just amazing. We are so proud of him,” she said.

    Asmara, who is a member of Indonesia’s parliament, said she never thought Obama had leadership qualities but remembers the boy as an easygoing person and also “very wise.”

    Obama, the child of a Kenyan father and an American mother, moved to Indonesia at age 6 with his mother.

    Asmara expressed hope that Obama’s childhood stay in Indonesia would make him different from other American presidents.

    “We are very happy,” said Widiyanto, another classmate, explaining that Obama had been active in various school activities, including involvement in the boyscouts.

    Hundreds of spectators shouted “Long live Obama,” when the US ambassador to Indonesia, Cameron Hume, announced Obama’s victory at an embassy event and asked attendants to cheer the 47-year-old senator.

    Hundreds of students at Obama’s old school, the Menteng 1 primary school, celebrated Obama’s election win by shouting “Long live Obama,” and “Obama wins! McCain loses!” as classes were stopped to watch the election coverage on local television.

    “It’s just great. We are very happy and proud to have Barack Obama win the election,” headmaster Kuwadiyanto said, adding that there was an emotional connection between the students and Obama.

    Vice President Jusuf Kalla also congratulated Obama, saying that he is the hope of the American people and the world.

    “The American people want the change. And this also is the hope of the world. As we are hoping Obama wins. I congratulate Obama,” detik.com quoted Kalla as saying.
    earthtimes.org/articles/show/240122,former-indonesian-classmates-cheer-obama.html]earthtimes.org/articles/show/240122,former-indonesian-classmates-cheer-obama.html

  237. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Good Morning,

    Anyone here?

  238. sliderblaze Says:

    yep

  239. Foxtrot Says:

    Sorry, another long post, but hopefully, well worth it. The more info his former classmates spill, the better off we are!

    antara.co.id/en/print/?i=1172126533

    this is a shocker I am italicizing the article with my personal comments in bold.

    The turning point:

    Obama’s Indonesian classmates recall ‘kind and confident Barry’

    Jakarta (ANTARA News) – Indonesian former classmates of Barack Obama have high hopes for the kindhearted, confident and easy-going boy they knew as Barry who has set his sights on becoming the first black president of the United States.

    When he was six years old, Obama moved to Indonesia after his divorced mother remarried an Indonesian foreign student, Lolo Soetoro.

    His classmates still recall the day nearly 40 years ago when a foreign kid joined them at the state-run SDN Menteng 01 school in the upmarket Menteng district of Jakarta.

    “I will never forget the first day he entered class and the teacher introduced him in front of the class,” Onny Padma told AFP.

    “I thought he was from Papua, Indonesia’s easternmost province. He had curly hair, dark skin and was a fat boy. But the way he dressed was really American style,” said Padma, who is now deputy secretary general of the Indonesian Motorcycle Association.

    “We sometimes bullied him while we played games together. But instead of taking revenge, he only looked upset at us but did nothing,” he said.

    Dewi Asmara, now a member of parliament, also remembered Obama as a “kind and confident” boy when she knew him in the late 1960s.

    “Obama was a fun and a kindhearted boy. Unlike other boys, he never got involved in any fighting,” said Asmara.

    “Barry was an easy-going boy who had a lot of self-confidence. He did not speak Indonesian well, nevertheless he always felt confident and never gave up speaking with us. He also liked to make friends,” she added.

    Obama, 45, says Indonesia left a lasting impression on him during his formative years.

    “It was very powerful. I had an Indonesian stepfather. I went to an Indonesian-speaking school,” the Illinois senator told AFP in a recent interview.

    “It gave me an enormous appreciation for the magnificent culture and history of Asia. It gave me a great love for the people of Asia,” the Democratic hopeful said.

    Nothing special

    Sonny Imam Sukarso said he was astonished to learn that his old school friend was aiming to become US president.

    “Barry always came to my home after school to play games. His home was just at the back of mine. His driver always dropped and picked him late afternoon,” Sukarso said, adding enthusiastically: “I am pretty sure he will remember me.”

    He said he had already sent Obama an email — but was yet to receive a reply. “Maybe he is too busy to answer my email or maybe his staff thought my
    email was not serious,” he said.

    Padma said he too was surprised to learn that his former classmate was now
    famous on the other side of the world.

    Obama took part in all the school activities and was a member of the scouts, Padma said, adding there seemed nothing special about him apart from a huge appetite at his birthday party.

    “He invited us to his home at Taman Amir Hamzah Street in central Jakarta.

    He ate a lot and preferred Indonesian food to steak,” he said.

    The current headmaster of Menteng 01, Kuwadiyanto, said he had been fielding lots of enquiries about Obama from the media and the US embassy.

    He never imagined the school, which was built in the 1930s by Dutch colonialists for their children, would produce a US senator, let alone a possible future president. “We are really surprised to hear the news,” he said.

    In his autobiographical “Dreams From My Father,” Obama describes his time in Indonesia as “one long adventure, the bounty of a young man’s life”.

    He recalls his introduction to the exotic delicacies of snake meat and roasted grasshopper, and describes his pet ape and his days in a boy scout troop.

    Obama also describes Indonesia as “a charged and challenging place” where “my vision had been permanently altered”.

    Asmara said Obama’s childhood experiences could help him bring Asia and the West closer if he enters the White House.

    “If he wins, the relations between the West and the East would be certainly better,” the lawmaker said.

    “Barry lived in an Asian country so he has a better comprehension about Asian cultures. He could bridge the gap between the two sides,” she added.

  240. Foxtrot Says:

    Here was the tail end of the entry. Veeeeeeeeeeerrrrry Interesting! Why would the U.S. Embassy be talking to them?:

    “The current headmaster of Menteng 01, Kuwadiyanto, said he had been fielding lots of enquiries about Obama from the media and the US embassy. “

  241. sliderblaze Says:

    hmmmmm…..very interesting. Could the be onto somshin?

  242. Foxtrot Says:

    Sorry to drop and run again, but I am late for my meeting! When I come back, I will see if this latest info is legit or not. Take care!

  243. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Wow, you guys/gals were all so busy here this morning, yesterday! Missed you all.

    I have a few comments to K–and then I’m moving on–I will not reply to his comments anymore. There’s way too much work to be done without having to make arguments over zilch here with K.

    First off:

    K–here’s some more examples of what I was talking about on my previous post about your condescending manner. You are here for the purpose of causing disruption. You are a troll– and I don’t say it with “affection” as I do with some bots– You are here not to have discourse and discussion. If you had not been called out on your “junk” you would still be just as disdainful as you were to start with. So, you are trying another tact– it won’t work–

    Ok Examples:

    It seems that most of these veterans didn’t know to do it either.

    q-audio.com/images/anthem.jpg

    One is saluting. One sort of has his hand on his heart. The rest simply have their hands down at their sides, or clasped in front of them as Obama had in the infamous photo.

    So what is to be made of these veterans?

    k
    ************************
    What is to be made of these veterans is that they have fought for this country, they’ve served this country. I would choose a vet over an Obamanation any day! To me, it wasn’t that Obama didn’t salute the flag. I understand that he “didn’t know” (sort of like he doesn’t “know” Ayers, Alinsky, Dorhn, Blagojevich, and the two dead guys who called him “out”)– to supposedly be the all knowing “ONE” he suredly doesn’t know a lot. I’m glad he’s not my Messiah!

    *******
    I also remember hearing his voice say it….. we all can’t be crazy, you know voices in our heads… God help me if I’m hearing the Ones voice in MY head…

    You might find this article informative.

    cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/02/16/false.memory.ap/index.html

    k
    **********

    So, we are all just having “false memories”– and you are the only one who remembers it “correctly”– Do you get a playbook with this bullsh!t in it when you drink the Obama flavored “kook-aid” or what?

    Hey Foxy, this is Obama’s new plot: “No, (gag gag) I can urrh, honestly say, I uhh, I, uhh, uhh, never said that on errr, hurmmph, national Television (over the shoulder, “Rahm, you did get all of that stuff scrubbed from the Internet didn’t you?), hrrmp, it’s all just a false memory. (Rahm, anyword on that new technology to scrub people’s memories of what I say I didn’t say?)

    ***********

    Heheh.

    I used that quote on the cover of a pamphlet I had printed up when I was running for a seat on the California State Assembly.

    Great quote.

    k
    *************
    Well, K. as you said to me, you could say anything about yourself that you choose to. Now you expect us to believe that you ran for a seat on the CSA? Oh, I get it, you did run for a seat— was it on a back of a truck?

    ************
    Whatever Palin might have done with regard to any abuse of power is for Alaskans to worry about. Not me.

    k
    ***************

    So, you don’t care about Dems or Reps, and lah lah lah, now let’s get to the real point you want to make here–Palin abused power in Alaska–

    I think Alaska came out and said she did not abue her powers there– after all the political hoo haa over it.

    _______

    K– I hear there is a great site over at API– I’m sure that they need you there, really–why don’t you go over there– they are trying to over throw the government AND they said some really nasty things about Michelle!

    ++++++

    My apologies to everyone here– I knew I shouldn’t ate a whole handful of those chocolate covered Espresso beans!!!

  244. rosettasister Says:

    Welcome BerlinBerlin and Anonymouse!

    Sorry your comments were stuck in moderation.

    You should be able to post at will now.

    Rosetta

    —————————–

    Anonymouse Says:
    December 15, 2008 at 4:34 am

    Hi, longtime reader here because I appreciate you guys’ ears to the ground. I don’t know whether this is the same Soetoro who is the subject of the Soetoro-El Camino High School posts, but FWIW:
    This blogger –
    http://democratfreeblog.wordpress.com/2008/10/18/pics-of-soetoro/
    wonders who is the Soetoro (no second name) pictured at El Camino High School.
    Soetoro photo –

    The high school Soetoro’s ear shape

    is not Obama’s ear shape

    If the photographed Soetoro at El Camino High School is Moestabjab, they are not one and the same.

    BerlinBerlin Says:
    December 15, 2008 at 7:57 am

    This case is actually going to be heard!
    Date Set For Broe v. Reed
    December 10, 2008
    Contact: Stephen Pidgeon, Attorney at Law, P.S.
    Tel: (425) 605-4774 Fax: (425) 818-5371
    Email: attorney@stephenpidgeon.com
    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
    12 Washington voters sue to set aside the election of Barack Obama in Washington.
    Bellevue, WA, December 10, 2008 — The Washington Supreme Court has set a date for the case Broe v. Reed, to be heard en banc on January 8, 2009.
    On December 4, 2008, James (Jim) Broe and 11 other Washington voters sued Secretary of State Sam Reed in the Washington Supreme Court, seeking a Writ of Mandamus to require the Secretary to set aside the votes cast for Senator Barack Obama, because at the time of the election, Senator Obama had failed to establish that he was a “natural born citizen” of the United States, failed to establish that he was an American citizen, and that he was not running under his legal name of Barry Soetoro.
    “The issue of standing seems to be behind us,” said Stephen Pidgeon, counsel for the plaintiffs. “What remains is to establish the duty of the Secretary of State, under Article III, Sections 4 and 17 of the Washington constitution, under RCW 29A.04.230 which names the Secretary as the state’s chief of elections, and under relevant administrative codes which also require the Secretary to act.”
    Pidgeon goes on to say that “each candidate that stands in a primary election must make a declaration of candidacy, stating that ‘at the time of filing this declaration, I am legally qualified to assume office if elected.’ The Secretary of State has a constitutionally imposed duty to determine if the candidate is telling the truth.”

  245. Goferit Says:

    Hi PPPATTY,

    I personally am glad you got that off your chest. Amy, Lyn and I where busy holding the fort against the kbot yesterday, but like you, we are gonna just pass over his post. Some are here just to cause excess obfuscation and anxiety with their posts.

    As a most time lurker/reader, I relish this place! Rose’s gang that has assembled here keep things right on track.

    To all, keep up the great work! I for one appreciate you all.

  246. sliderblaze Says:

    well, if that case is being heard, and the electorate meets, today i think, will they set those votes aside today and hold them till it is heard on the 8th?

  247. sliderblaze Says:

    Thanks Goferit….that ‘dude’ annoyed me greatly.

    pattty, i engaged him one last time yesterday and that was it….

  248. Foxtrot Says:

    One more link that is fascinating. I REALLY HAVE TO GO!!!!
    (place the normal h t t p: / / w w w in front)

    indonesiamatters.com/2952/barry-soetoro/

  249. sliderblaze Says:

    lol, im at my moms right now and she said “i think we need new fish rocks for the fish tank, I cant get that fish smell outta them” I said, “somehow, i dont think that they’ll mind”

    i think she lost HER mind…..

  250. sliderblaze Says:

    The plan will come with a host of revenue raisers — increased taxes on hospitals and insurance policies, for instance — and at least one new assessment, a so-called obesity tax on non-diet soda to raise $404 million. The governor also is contemplating requiring new license plates to raise cash, reviving sales tax on clothing purchases, removing the tax cap on gasoline and threatening to require Indian retailers to collect taxes on sales to non-Indians by signing into law a bill passed earlier this year by the Legislature.

    uh, ok, taxing the already most taxed state in the union, in an economic downturn, what is this guy blind…..oh sh!t, he is blind, my bad….:)~

  251. sba1872 Says:

    Cort’s application was denied.

    .supremecourtus.gov/orders/courtorders/121508zor.pdf

  252. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Goferit Says:

    December 15, 2008 at 2:56 pm
    Hi PPPATTY,

    I personally am glad you got that off your chest. Amy, Lyn and I where busy holding the fort against the kbot yesterday, but like you, we are gonna just pass over his post. Some are here just to cause excess obfuscation and anxiety with their posts.

    As a most time lurker/reader, I relish this place! Rose’s gang that has assembled here keep things right on track.

    To all, keep up the great work! I for one appreciate you all.

    +++++++++++++++++++

    Thanks Gof–

    I just don’t have time to deal with trolls– This crowd doesn’t need to defend every statment against Trolls! Yes, sometimes it’s good to have someone play devil’s advocate (but remember, it’s called “devil’s advocate” for a reason) and give us a different perspective. However, it’s a laborous day when we have to deal with trolls and try to get something done.

  253. sliderblaze Says:

    sba1872 Says:
    December 15, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    Cort’s application was denied.

    of course it is, can we get a scotus opinion on that, i doubt it

  254. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Gof, I hope you undestand I wasn’t say you are a troll! I was referring to the likes of K… Just want to make that clear! Glad to have you hear–lurking or commenting!

  255. jjones Says:

    crap

  256. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    sliderblaze Says:

    December 15, 2008 at 3:00 pm
    lol, im at my moms right now and she said “i think we need new fish rocks for the fish tank, I cant get that fish smell outta them” I said, “somehow, i dont think that they’ll mind”

    i think she lost HER mind…..

    ***************

    Slider, tell her to look under the rocks, she’ll probably find it there— I’ve had the same problem– start doing something and lose my mind–usually it’s right where I left it!

  257. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    and, Slider, tell her we understand– it’s all explained when you said “My Mom”— bet you have that effect on people —Just kidding–don’t throw shoes at me!!!

    Hey, I bet that reporter that threw shoes at Bush has been playing Wii way too much– ever done the soccer ball game on Wii fit? What would have been funny if someone else would have thrown a panda bear at him!

    How to get your name in fame: and our Number 1 Answer: Throw shoes at the Prez of the USA– from Top ten on “You betcha I voted for Obama” talk show hosted daily from Iraq.

  258. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Next trip for Prez. to China Mr. Whoflungdung plans to throw his underwear at the US Prez– oops, that would be Obamanation.

  259. sliderblaze Says:

    bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aL0GGUluJeT8&refer=worldwide

    lol, gtf outta here.

  260. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Here was the tail end of the entry. Veeeeeeeeeeerrrrry Interesting! Why would the U.S. Embassy be talking to them?:

    “The current headmaster of Menteng 01, Kuwadiyanto, said he had been fielding lots of enquiries about Obama from the media and the US embassy. “

    +++++++++++++

    Foxy that’s as telling as Kenya saying that they had sealed all of Obama’s records! The truth so very much wants to be told. I just wonder who will get to tell it! I hope it’s in my lifetime.

  261. Goferit Says:

    Gof, I hope you undestand I wasn’t say you are a troll! I was referring to the likes of K… Just want to make that clear! Glad to have you hear–lurking or commenting!

    Oh, I am confident I’m not a troll….. no offense taken, no apology needed.

    Thx

  262. sdee Says:

    The exodus begins – who says Bo’s not an effective leader?

    “Oil Companies Voting With Their Feet”

    ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=313977823484200

  263. sliderblaze Says:

    sdee Says:
    December 15, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    The exodus begins – who says Bo’s not an effective leader?

    “Oil Companies Voting With Their Feet”

    ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=313977823484200

    bravo…. i feel the rage building on sane, rational thinking individuals. Two things need done yesterday, drilling, and border security. both have to due with security and economics. Illegals in cost tax payers almost a over 500 bil dollars per year in education/healthcare

  264. dixieinflorida Says:

    I’ve been reading but that idjit that has been posting has just turned me off from coming here lately, as I’m sick of trying to reason with obot trolls.

    The research that has been done by everyone wanting the truth has been ignored by the MSM, because they don’t care what or who he is. Our Justices ignore the facts and then in my case when I wrote one of my senators he said the people vetted him when they voted him in. Well we all know he bought his way in. But if those voters who vetted him have no standing in a court of law what’s up with that? I will not be voting for that senator and he’s a republican. When I wrote my SOS they said they only put candidates on the ballot, it is not their job to see if he’s qualified it is the ones who submit a candidate. In this case that was Nancy Polousy. There is plenty of evidence that bama is associated with Blago even to him endorsing him for Governor as he endorsed Ayers book. Does that matter. NO. This do nothing has no accomplishments senator has made it to the WH. How? Money of course and money will keep him there unless he is assassinated. Does he even go out in public anymore? He will need full body armor and plenty of bullet proof shields around him if he does. I’m glad Bush said no you are not moving into the Blair House. For once somebody said no to him.

    Seems the anti Iraq war people have no problems with moving our troops from Iraq to Afghanistan.

    It’s my birthday and I’ll cry if I want to. Lesile Gore song. There will be nobody in the EC crying foul today.

  265. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Hi, Can some of you super-sleuths–hrrmph, Troy, Forxy, Jac–others– figure out what that emblem on the necklace that Obama is wearing in this pic is? Not that it means anything–just curious…

    kansasprairie.net/kansasprairieblog/?p=7020

    I used to have a software program when I volunteered with JewishGen researching holocaust documents for id info– it allowed you to get really super clear shots of documents and to see minute detail undetectable most of the time–anyone suggest a good program since I lost this when my old hard-drive crashed–

  266. sliderblaze Says:

    patty, mel martidiot wont be running in 10. that sounds wierd 10…

  267. sliderblaze Says:

    patty, it looks like a manish figure…head, arms and legs

  268. sliderblaze Says:

    theage.com.au/ffximage/2008/02/05/young_obama_05_gallery__600x396.jpg

    patty, it looks like a manish figure…head, arms and legs

  269. sdee Says:

    This is in Monday’s Supreme Court Orders

    08A469
    WROTNOWSKI, CORT V. BYSIEWICZ, CT SEC. OF STATE
    The application for stay and/or injunction addressed
    to Justice Scalia and referred to the Court is denied.

    supremecourtus.gov/orders/courtorders/121508zor.pdf

  270. sliderblaze Says:

    The Fox News anchor holds accountable Joe the Plumber for representing the GOP, Sean Hannity for politicizing Katrina, and Sarah Palin for not having her facts straight.

    when will this guy go to msnbc, he wont be missed…..

  271. koyaan Says:

    peppermintpatty777 wrote:

    Hi, Can some of you super-sleuths–hrrmph, Troy, Forxy, Jac–others– figure out what that emblem on the necklace that Obama is wearing in this pic is? Not that it means anything–just curious…

    Looks to be a primitive symbol of a man.

    Here’s a blow up:

    q-audio.com/images/medallion.jpg

    k

  272. koyaan Says:

    Anonymouse wrote:

    I don’t know whether this is the same Soetoro who is the subject of the Soetoro-El Camino High School posts, but FWIW:

    Yes, that’s the one.

    If you read from the yearbook text, “I am very thankful I was chosen as an A.F.S. Exchange Student.” And in the Journal of the Senate, it says “American Field Service [A.F.S.] Scholarship students.”

    Since the yearbook is from 1963, it’s certainly not Obama. And since Lolo Soetoro was born around 1936, he’d have been nearly 30 years old in 1964, so it’s not Lolo either.

    Time to stick a fork in this one.

    k

  273. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    The Alan Keyes Legal Team will hold a press conference tomorrow Mon. 12-15-08 12:30 PM at the CA State Capitol in Sacramento, CA. Please help spread. Attendence is needed for media coverage. Official Info is as follows:

    Location: CA State Capitol – Corner of “L” and 11th Streets, Sacramento, CA 12:30 PM

    1. Attend
    2. Bring signs with out sticks.
    3. Bring your birth certificate and show it to the media.

    Official Press Release Follows:

    RE: AIP/Electoral College Capitol Press Conference set for Monday
    For Immediate Release – Event Notice – Press Conference
    Time: Mon 12-15-08, 12:30 PM
    Place: California State Capitol, Sacramento California at the Corner of “L” and 11th Streets

    Topic: Unlawful Occupation of Presidency and Invalid Electoral College Process

    Conference Contact: Tony Andrade, 916-230-2123; Tony95683@netzero.net
    Media Contact: Markham Robinson, State Chairman, American Independent Party; Party HQ 707-359-4884 Home: 707-448-7062; Office: 707-451-8985; Temp Cell: 707-761-3009; Fax: 707-222-6040

  274. rosettasister Says:

    New Thread:

    https://rosettasister.wordpress.com/2008/12/15/%e2%80%9cwrotnowski-v-bysiewicz-scotus-denies-application-for-stayinjunction%e2%80%9d/

  275. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    When this blog is kept very clean (free of trolls) and on track. It is a place with civility and brings out the best thinkers. I like how we can think out loud and just toss out ideas……. I have learned so much here. This place and it’s gang rocks 🙂

  276. koyaan Says:

    peppermintpatty777 wrote:

    Well, K. as you said to me, you could say anything about yourself that you choose to. Now you expect us to believe that you ran for a seat on the CSA? Oh, I get it, you did run for a seat— was it on a back of a truck?

    On a back of a truck?

    Nah. On the Republican ticket.

    Here’s the cover of the pamphlet:

    q-audio.com/images/pamphlet.jpg

    And here’s the sample ballot:

    q-audio.com/images/ballot.jpg

    I ran into Peter Finn for the first time since the election over on Free Republic a couple months ago.

    So, you don’t care about Dems or Reps, and lah lah lah, now let’s get to the real point you want to make here–Palin abused power in Alaska–

    I think Alaska came out and said she did not abue her powers there– after all the political hoo haa over it.

    Did they? I don’t know. I never made any hoo haa over it in the first place, didn’t pay any particular attention to it, and have never commented on it. She’s not my governor so it had no particular relevance to me. And that was the only point I had to make when I said whatever she may have done was for Alaskans to worry about.

    k

  277. Mimi Says:

    How do we know Lolo oetoro was born in or around 1936?

  278. rosettasister Says:

    Mimi Says:
    December 15, 2008 at 5:51 pm

    How do we know Lolo oetoro was born in or around 1936?

    ————————-

    Welcome, Mimi!

    We’re all on this thread now:

    New Thread:

    https://rosettasister.wordpress.com/2008/12/15/%e2%80%9cwrotnowski-v-bysiewicz-scotus-denies-application-for-stayinjunction%e2%80%9d/

    Rosetta

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