The Real Superhumans and the Quest for the Future Fantastic

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when-senses-collide

“When senses collide”

syn·es·the·sia also syn·aes·the·sia (sĭn’ĭs-thē’zhə)

n.

  1. A condition in which one type of stimulation evokes the sensation of another, as when the hearing of a sound produces the visualization of a color.

See also:

http://science.discovery.com/tv/senses-collide/senses-collide.html

http://science.discovery.com/tv-schedules/special.html?paid=48.15731.120051.0.0

Dartmouth professor Megan Steven lets us in on the secrets of synesthesia.

http://science.discovery.com/video/minds.html?playerId=1396550031&titleId=1478148443

http://www.megonthemind.com/

From DreamShocker

This is the first 5 minutes of “The Real Superhumans and the Quest for the Future Fantastic” which premiered on Discovery Channel – and simulcast on Discovery HD.

In Switzerland, meet a woman who combines senses so that she can “taste” music; in Turkey, a painter compared with Renaissance master Brunelleschi, who has been blind since birth; in Germany, a man discovered one day that he can perform complex calculations in his mind; and in the Netherlands, a man who possesses the inexplicable power to withstand extreme cold.

Phil Berg Barack Obama Ron Polarik Jeff Schreiber

388 Responses to “The Real Superhumans and the Quest for the Future Fantastic”

  1. Foxtrot Says:

    I have to get ready for our big party here at our place tomorrow night. Have to start the 6 course meal now!

  2. thinkingmom11 Says:

    darn – not even close to first…

  3. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Repost:

    Linda’s arguement is fine but without proof (rock solid – not just speculation). If she doesn’t have a Kenyan/Zanzibar/British Birth certificate, an Indonesian passport or some other documentation proving any of her claims she is just guessing and speculating with the rest of us. Wanting to believe something does not make it true. Now, I am hoping that maybe she is alluding to some of the evidence she has claimed to have dug up – but I just don’t know…

    Thanks for the kind wishes Rosetta – have a wonderful time at your Christmas party!

  4. Troy Says:

    Tenacity Says:

    December 12, 2008 at 9:51 pm
    Troy,
    the link you posted above: koyaan.wordpress.com/2008/10/25/phil-berg-associate-linda-starr-commits-criminal-act-on-bergs-obama-crimes-website/ is showing an error 404 and may have been moved or scrubbed. From reading the disjointed irrational posts on that site, I’d say this person is an expert at wasting people’s time.
    ———————————————————-
    It wasn’t my post…I just copied and did a re-paste

  5. thinkingmom11 Says:

    I get the 404 error too…you can read his other stuff by just dropping the stuff after .com

  6. Lyn Says:

    Did everyone read the link I posted abouve about the JJ Jr fundraiser sat for Blago? here is another little bit from it chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-blagojevich-jackson12dec12,0,6420556.story
    The two businessmen who spoke to the Tribune on the condition of anonymity said they did so because they were afraid of repercussions in the close-knit and politically active Indian business community.
    One said Nayak and Bedi told him and others of their plan to help Jackson.

    The second said he overheard Nayak and Bedi discussing plans with Bhatt, the Joliet pharmacist..

    “Raghu said he needed to raise a million for Rod to make sure Jesse got the seat,” the second businessman said. “He said, ‘I can raise half of it, $500,000.’ The idea was that the other two would help raise the rest.”

    Bhatt, whose two Basinger’s Pharmacy outlets were searched by the FBI last week, has been the focus of a state and federal investigations into whether campaign donations were made in exchange for regulatory favors.

    Bhatt is a prominent Indian businessman who helped the state’s top pharmacy regulator win his job. The Tribune reported last year that state pharmacy auditors probing allegations of Medicaid fraud at Basinger’s complained that their bosses thwarted the investigation, allegations Bhatt has adamantly denied in interviews with the Tribune

  7. Troy Says:

    The web is too small for all the spiders

  8. Troy Says:

    Not one single person will go to jail on this Blago scandal

  9. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Well, lyn, that IS a tasty tidbit!

  10. thinkingmom11 Says:

    spiders?

  11. Troy Says:

    spiders….insects…maggots…it’s all the same

  12. Troy Says:

    The Blago web, not the internet

  13. Lyn Says:

    chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-kass-12-dec12,0,723256.column
    Man behind curtain is wizard of Rod, Rahm

  14. thinkingmom11 Says:

    thanks Troy – lack of sleep = slow brain

    It is quite the tangle web they wove…

  15. Troy Says:

    Well it didn’t take long for the little crook Rahm to go down in flames…The prick never even made it to the White House.
    Once again Barky shows impecable judgement in the people he ties himself to….And he is suppose to be smart?…WTF???

  16. Lyn Says:

    Hey a new Chi pol for me to learn about from link about Sen. James DeLeo

  17. Troy Says:

    Oblowhole isn’t even pres elect yet and is already one of the worst stains on American history…The next four years should be lovely.

  18. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Troy Says: Once again Barky shows impecable judgement in the people he ties himself to….And he is suppose to be smart?…WTF???

    So sad, yet so true. If he is so smart, why is he such a horrible judge of character? And when confronted with their problems, he just flippantly denies knowing anything about that…unbelievable. But what is more unbeleivable is peoples’ willingness to shrug it off and assume that he is OK despite a lifelong history of hangin’ with shady characters, dealing in shady deals, and speaking in half-truths and obfuscations. Why people think that this guy could’vve come out smelling like a rose after swimming in the cesspool of Chicago politics is beyond me.

  19. thinkingmom11 Says:

    hate to post and run but I gotta get to the store to but baking ingredients and stuff….bbl

  20. Lyn Says:

    abcnews.go.com/Blotter/ConductUnbecoming/story?id=6449745&page=1
    Emanuel: I’m Getting Death Threats Over Blagojevich Scandal
    Obama’s Chief of Staff Refuses to Go to Work Because of Media Stakeout

    too funny in a sad pathetic way. Can you imagine a COS not going to work because of the media

  21. Troy Says:

    Emanuel: I’m Getting Death Threats Over Blagojevich Scandal
    ———————-
    Awww…hehehe…BANG!!!!!

  22. indy500 Says:

    Troy Says:
    December 12, 2008 at 10:54 pm
    ________________________________
    Welcome to the jungle. I got ’em from the Outlaws. It only means you’re significant or getting close. Only means you’re onto sumthin.

  23. jjones Says:

    OK, so are we taking bets as to when Emanuel gets thrown under the bus?

  24. Melissa Says:

    How long until we hear Oblahblah say, “That’s not the Rahm I knew…”?

  25. indy500 Says:

    jjones Says:
    December 12, 2008 at 11:27 pm :
    ___________________________________
    Learn to live like an animal – that’s the jungle way.

  26. Lyn Says:

    totaly OT but just creepy timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article5332568.ece
    They hailed him as the Messiah and said his election was a miracle, but now Barack Obama has made it into the Holy Family to appear in the Nativity scene alongside Mary, Joseph and the Baby Jesus.

    Hand-carved figures of Mr Obama and his wife Michelle are on sale in a Naples Christmas market with the rest of the Nativity set regulars.

  27. Troy Says:

    Obama indictment, Blagojevich arrest, Patrick Fitzgerald, December 11, 2008, Rezko trial,Obama, Rezko, Levine, Blagojevich, Health Planning Board, Pay for Play, IL Senate, Obama arrest and indictment by USDOJ, US Department of Justice, Update December 12, 2008
    ———————————————————–
    Citizen Wells will post an update soon

  28. jjones Says:

    troy,
    link please?

  29. Troy Says:

    http
    citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/12/12/obama-indictment-blagojevich-arrest-patrick-fitzgerald-december-11-2008-rezko-trialobama-rezko-levine-blagojevich-health-planning-board-pay-for-play-il-senate-obama-arrest-and-indictment-2/

  30. Troy Says:

    Tonight will be the largest full moon in 15 years…I just looked outside and it is indeed a big bright whopper.

  31. inspirational1 Says:

    For those who still want to give Jesse Jackson Jr. the benefit of doubt, here’s this story from CBS Chicago:

    Former city worker Frank Coconate was Congressman Jesse Jackson Jr.’s Northwest Side point man when Jackson flirted with the idea of running against Mayor Daley.

    Now, Coconate says, he’s not shocked by federal wiretaps in which Blagojevich discusses selling Barack Obama’s Senate seat to someone described as a Jackson emissary.

    “He was always looking to deal,” Coconate said. “If he couldn’t get it outright, he’d buy it.”

    In a 2005 meeting with a longtime Jackson aide, Coconate says, he was told Jackson only endorsed candidates who sent money Jackson’s way.

    “He said, ‘We have a criteria before we support anybody,’” Coconate said. “`They have to have $50,000 to $10,000. They have to take our polls, which can cost $8,000 or $9,000 … and any endorsement with Jackson, you have to take a picture with him, which costs you.’”

    In short, Jackson’s office was selling endorsements, Coconate said. He said the Jackson aide he dealt with is likely the one referred to in the Blagojevich case.

    Yet, these are the kinds of people our dear leader President-Elect, Barack Obama has chosen to surround himself with. Funny thing is, some would still say Jesse Jackson Jr. is innocent, Rahm Emanuel is innocent, and even Barack Obama is innocent…

    I personally think this story has legs if for no other reason than the fact that the ex-Jackson aide has officially gone on the record, and not merely using the moniker of “an unnamed former aide”…

    from puma08.com

  32. thinkingmom11 Says:

    americanthinker.com/2008/12/natural_born_pickle.html

    Well, I don’t think I have reached the level of peace (and certainly not the level of satisfaction) this guy has, but it was interesting reading.

  33. Melissa Says:

    Has anyone read this report by Lawrence B. Solum called:

    ORIGINALISM AND THE NATURAL BORN CITIZEN CLAUSE

    michiganlawreview.org/firstimpressions/vol107/solum.pdf

    It is about John McCain but the author draws similar conclusions to Leo Donofrio. It’s a little long but worth the read.

  34. sliderblaze Says:

    Emanuel: I’m Getting Death Threats Over Blagojevich Scandal

    from whom, i dont think any GOP would, they’d want him to stay very healthy….

  35. Troy Says:

    thinkingmom11 Says:

    December 13, 2008 at 12:46 am
    americanthinker.com/2008/12/natural_born_pickle.html

    Well, I don’t think I have reached the level of peace (and certainly not the level of satisfaction) this guy has, but it was interesting reading.
    ———————————————————–
    I just emailed the author Randall Hoven…His article couldn’t be more wrong….Leo’s latest article completely blows Randall’s out of the water….He like so many others just finally gave in to the Obots and rolled over like a scared puppy and pissed all over himself….Spineless wimp!!!….Grrrrrrr

  36. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Agreed, Troy, and thanks for setting him straight…I just don’t have the energy tonight

  37. Troy Says:

    I’m just fed up Mom…I’m sick of seeing people on our side simply get tired and cave in…That is what Obama’s strategy is!!!….Just because we know that justice isn’t going to be served is no reason to not seek it with every ounce of energy we have….If people all got tired and gave up in WWII we would all be speaking German…Quitters make me sick!!!!

  38. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Thanks for setting me straight. I think being sick and tired and dealing with sick kids got to me and I, too, was feeling a bit beaten. I was reading more today on other sites and the comments sections were making me nuts. I didn’t have the energy to fight back so I just got bummed out. I am fed up too. I hate having people think I am a stupid, insane, conspiracy theory, tin foil hat wearing, sore loser moron for questioning this man!! I remember when Rush started calling him the messiah and I thought that he was a little over the top with that. But the further things got along, the more and more it looked like the media and the Obobbleheads would never admit that he had ever done anything wrong – they indeed were setting him up as some sort of messianic figure – digusting!

  39. jrinNC Says:

    Took a quick looksie over at API’s new web site – All references to MO tape GONE

  40. sliderblaze Says:

    O could take a dump, right in the middle of the floor, and people would be there to wipe his ass and say “it’s ok” I recall people asking for Bush’s head over an outing of a CIA agent, who really wasnt an agent and who really wasnt undercover and who basically outted herself….remember all that mess

  41. sliderblaze Says:

    If bush or any repub. they’d be asking for a revote in the media, people who dont think we have a fight on our hands, are asleep at the wheel

  42. sliderblaze Says:

    Of course it is

  43. whatafoolbelieves1 Says:

    Obama’s chickens are coming home to roost. :))!!

  44. sliderblaze Says:

    it funny to hear some pundits talk about all the other associates like, this shoulda been investigated more during the election, makes me wanna puke

  45. Troy Says:

    Don’t let anyone get you down…Even if we don’t prevail Barky will sink his own ship eventually…The dude proves to be a
    F-UP on a fairly regular basis….He will eventually slip up in a way that even he can’t weasel out of…Trust me on this one.
    I watched people just like him all my life and it is finally their own ego and audacity that take them down…Blago is a perfect example of these type of people.

  46. jrinNC Says:

    Bush Rejects Obama Blair House Request – About time somebody started rejecting bambam.

    w.newsmax.com/insidecover/blair_house_obama/2008/12/12/161397.html

  47. Troy Says:

    I for one will be breathing down Barky’s neck for the next four years….He will never have a single moment of peace!!!

  48. sliderblaze Says:

    just dont do it from behind troy, might get the wrong impression

  49. Troy Says:

    Grrrr….I thought about not using those words…Doh!!!!

  50. sliderblaze Says:

    Powell: Palin needs to stop polarizing the party by talking up small-town values

    —remove, D1k from arse, then speak, until then, keep your lips wrapped around……how does this guy have anycredibility left to even make it on a talk show?

    Jesse Jackson Jr on Blagojevich: He’s mental

    yeah, cus, they can smell their own

  51. Troy Says:

    Powell: Palin needs to stop polarizing the party by talking up small-town values
    ———————————————————–Powell needs to shut his big fat Clon hole…The Rep party is “small town values”….He needs a good old fashioned Texas ass whoopin’

  52. sliderblaze Says:

    Half of all homes without electricity in NH…

    so i guess thats 10 households…lol

  53. sliderblaze Says:

    I wonder if Comedy Central would let Troy and I do a hard hitting Conservative show like the daily show….i got some great ideas, but, i’m thinking, prolly not

  54. Troy Says:

    I’m game for it!!!

  55. sba1872 Says:

    I was peeking in from work. Home now. What happened with that Koyan guy?

  56. Troy Says:

    We spanked him and sent him packing

  57. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Koyaan bailed – me thinks that we were not intellectual or esoteric enough for him – he didn’t like our assumptions and wouldn’t really answer questions so – he left. Don’t know what his game was. Seemed like he was interested in the Berg mystery case but then came across as a troll intent on disparaging Polarik. I think maybe he and Polarik went to school together and Polarik stole his girl or maybe Polarik kicked sand in his face at the beach… What is it with people trying to discredit others to try to make themselves look smart. They need to grow up and move on from emotional high school.

  58. Troy Says:

    Now here is some funny stuff from “Liberal Rapture”
    **********************************************
    A reading from the Obama Scriptures: The Demon Story.

    In those days in the land of the Machine
    That is the Lord’s home
    it came to pass to pass that a demon was loose.
    And the demon was muchly on the talking rock.
    For he was a merchant.

    The Lord had left his seat in the land of Reid
    And the seat was cold – nary warmethed by the Lord
    For the Lord made no impression in the Seat.

    As it was foretold by the oracle Soros:
    Lord Obama now planned his journey down the road of Pennsylvania
    To claim his rightful throne in the House of Whiteness.

    So his former seat was empty.
    And the demon set a price on the Lord’s seat.

    The Lord knowed the Demon Blag. (But there was no evidence that he KNEW the Blag.)
    The Demon Blag now madeth the Lord to looketh bad.
    And it is written that no one must maketh the Lord to looketh bad.

    For in the valley of corruption whereth the Lord made his home
    HE was the one and only true light.

    The Lord maketh the broken whole.
    And the whole Holy.
    The lame to be less lame.
    And the children to dance many jigs.
    And the Lord also maketh the car payments of those that love him.
    And all who love the Lord receive treats.
    Such as mugs, such as.

    The Lord came to the mountain of the Press and said:
    “We are waiting for the ones
    we’ve been waiting
    for while we wait
    for us to arrive.”

    And the masses marveled at the Lord’s wisdom.

    Then the Lord said “If you knock I will answer,
    and if I do not answer come into my foyer
    which I purchased while boneheaded.”

    So the Demon knocked.
    For he knew the Lord would answer.
    But there was a tapping on the wire of the talking rock.
    It was foretold by the oracle Fitzgerald
    that a tapping would come
    to the Demon’s talking rock.

    And the Lord Obama was not to answer.
    But others did.
    And the Lord was madeth to look bad.
    Now the wire became like cuffs.
    For the Fitzgerald could turn taps into cuffs.

    And the Lord’s others
    who answered the Blag
    came into the land of deep doo doo.

    (Forsooth. Anon.)

    It was now left to the talking heads on the talking box
    for to maketh the Lord not to looketh bad.
    And they spinned and spunned.
    Reminding the world of the great gift the Lord had brungeth by his presence.
    They knew the ways of the masses.
    So the talkers repeated the Lord’s greatness many times.

    Herein we enter the mystery of faith:

    The Lord has risen (very quickly)
    The Lord is in politics but is not OF politics.
    The Lord arrived with the sullied, the corrupt, the mean, the bribe takers, and the Machine.
    But the Lord is not like them.
    The Lord is pure.
    And so it is.

    And the Lord taught his prayer:

    Our Lord, who are from Chicago.
    Hallowed be his names.
    His machine doth come.
    His will be done
    In America as it is in Chicago.
    Forgive us our doubts
    As we forgive those PUMAs who doubt HIM.
    Give us today our commemorative plates.
    As we give commemorative plates to others.
    For Obama is the kingdom
    And the power
    and the glory
    forever and ever
    Amen.

    And then so the Lord went out back for to smoketh.

    While the Lord smokethed he thought.
    And a smile came across the Lord’s face.
    For the Demon Blag was now undereth the bus.

    And all was well.

  59. thinkingmom11 Says:

    I think FOX should put Troy on instead of O’Reilly….I think bill has spun out. He is trying so hard not to be partisan that he just sounds like a waffling moron. Hey, O’reilly and Colmes could start a show, they could make it a morning show and call it “Chicken and Waffles” mmmmmmm

  60. thinkingmom11 Says:

    LOL troy – that was hysterical!!

  61. whatafoolbelieves1 Says:

    I am optomistic that things are slip sliding away from Barack Obama and those who chose to annoint him President. I hope that Blago and Rezko sing like canaries. Those songs will be sweet.

  62. Troy Says:

    thinkingmom11 Says:

    December 13, 2008 at 2:41 am
    LOL troy – that was hysterical!!
    ———————————
    Hehehe…It had me rolling on the floor.

  63. Foxtrot Says:

    Hi guys! Just a quick peek in. Have to keep slicing and dicing! This is for anyone who doubts how invested Linda Starr is about this situation. She is ALL IN and I know she “has the goods”. It will now be a matter of if the judges give them a chance to present everything! Here is an excerpt from a recent post for her on another blog.
    ===written by Linda Starr, December 12, 2008

    Most of working iwth Phil are Democrats who feel we have to fight the corruption from within rather than wait for the GOP to do it for us. How can we scream about GOP corruption if we aren’t willing to clean up our side of the aisle first? How can we expect to have any integrity pointing fingers of guilt while ignoring corruption in our own party?

    Phil, Lisa & I are all Democrats as are all our first supporters. Our former webmaster, was a Democratic Precinct Chair for over 20 years and quit the party over this issue. I resigned my position as Precinct Chair, too and I had to refuse an offer to replace our county chair as well. We could not keep our positions and violate our oaths to support the whole ticket knowing Obama is not a citizen eligible for president. I was told privately I could evade it, but it was dishonest and i didn’t feel it was right. ==================

  64. Foxtrot Says:

    Oops, forgot this tail end part to Starr’s post:
    =================

    No one better ever say we didn’t pay dearly for our position, but we knew the truth and once we knew, we could not turn blind eyes to it all. I hope this explains us to you.

  65. Foxtrot Says:

    I know exactly what Linda Starr means. As a Democrat and someone who is considered an “insider”, I have lost many friends and acquaintances with my stand on Obama. It has been very difficult. However, country comes first!

  66. Foxtrot Says:

    I know exactly what Linda Starr means. As a Democrat and someone who is considered an “insider”, I have lost many friends and acquaintances with my stand on Obama. It has been very difficult. However, country comes first!

  67. Foxtrot Says:

    (standing up and applauding while reading)

    written by Linda Starr, December 12, 2008

    Unless this case is heard and the documents produced as deemed necessary, for example, if we get a Kenyan BC, then it’s over and no other documents would be needed. It won’t matter whether his citizenship is Kenyan or Indonesian at that point. He will be ineligible and it’s over for him and we’re faced with trying to clean up the mess and let the DOJ do it’s job in prosecuting co-conspirators.

    Let me make this very clear to you and everyone else. Until this case is heard properly and the issues addressed, we will never stop. This can not be allowed to stand. We are 1000% sure he was born in Kenya. We can’t stop until this case has resolution and the questions answered, not just dismissal on some technicality. If Obama had produced the documents initially requested by Phil, he said he would withdraw the suit, but not now. Not after all of this time and all of this grief. people have to go tojail for putting us all through this and nearly destroying the Constitution and country. People have to be held accountable, laws have to be enacted and people must go to jail.

    Look, someone made a point about his getting al these national security briefings so how can he be deported? I agree. I say let his butt go to Gitmo and waterboarded until he gives it all up. Let him spend the rest of his life at Gitmo in protective custody without any interaction with other prisoners. We have to come down on BO so hard that NO ONE will EVER even think about pulling such a stunt again. You are right whoever said that, he msut be held incommunicado for the rest of his life in protective custody at Gitmo.

  68. Foxtrot Says:

    Gotta go (crickets chirping)! I will try to talk with you all tomorrow.

  69. sba1872 Says:

    From the Book of Troy:

    The oracle Fitzgerald
    Hath tapped the rock of truth
    But twice and vermin streamed forth
    To be crushed beneath the Lord Obama’s smoky chariot
    Verily, i say to thee
    Prithee, let not the Lord Obama’s journey to the People’s House
    Be thrice plagued by the squealing vermin
    At least not until my Lord Obama commemorative coins doth arrive in the mail.
    Amen.

  70. Lyn Says:

    Rosettasister did you see the hillbuzz post hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/12/12/question-for-other-bloggers-do-you-keep-track-of-days-that-obot-trolls-completely-disapper/
    We have a question for other bloggers out there: do you keep track of days when Obots and trolls completely disappear and chart them against days that seriously bad news breaks for Obama?

    Ever since this Blagojevich business broke, and especially since FOX Chicago’s been reporting that Rahm Emanuel is refusing to answer questions about his involvement in the auctioning off of Obama’s Senate seat (and Obama’s lies about Emanuel’s involvement have been exposed), all of the regular trolls have been absent from our site.

    We’ve noticed this happens whenever Obama’s in serious trouble. It was like that in the primaries too — almost as if these people really do get daily talking points somewhere, and on days when they’re still trying to figure out what the trolls should say, there’s dead quiet.

    We keep track of the IP addresses of the trolls that come to HillBuzz…during the primaries, two trolls shared the same IP address and would literally post in shifts: one posted from about 8am – 5pm or so, and then there was the second shift, that ran from 5pm – 12 midnight, sometimes a little later. “Emily” and “Jason” were their names (something like that). And then, those two vanished when the general election started and new trolls replaced them, following that same pattern, and sharing the same IP address.

    And it was a Chicago-based IP address. Downtown Chicago. Coincidentally where Obama’s headquarters is (and not too far from where we’re based here at Buzzquarters, too).

    But, the new trolls we have are in different parts of the country, with one of them in Asia of all places. So, they’re not the same person, but they sure follow the same script. And all vanish whenever the Obama Nation shuts down to regroup and figure out what to say next.

    We find this fascinating, because there’s no coordination in any of the other comments we get — and we never know what sort of reaction something we write will receive. Some of you get our jokes, some never think we’re funny, some boost our energy to keep investing the time it takes to run this site every day. All over the board in terms of response, whether the news is good or bad for Obama or not.

    Except the trolls. The trolls vanish when Obama’s in hot water, and return only when the Obama Nation has set whatever spin it’s decided on…almost as if they really are reading their scripts and following marching orders.

    Has anyone else had this same experience? Have you been keeping track of it?

    We bet if a good number of affiliated sites started to do this, and we compared notes once in a while, we could eventually figure out who all of the trolls are, and who is coordinating them. If it really is the Obama transition team, that would make a great expose — nothing illegal there, but highly Orwellian and creepy.

    Hope!

    Change!

    Troll armies!

  71. Troy Says:

    Yep, we had our troll today and it’s name was koyaan….I could smell the little bastard right after the second post was displayed….I’m not in sinc with others that think we should give them a chance….There motives are devious and they have absolutely no consideration for us…That is a favor I will gladly return to them.

  72. sba1872 Says:

    “Hey, Blago, what happened to the rat sign?”

    A sign indicating that rat bait has been set down in Blago’s neighborhood has been removed.

    suntimes.com/news/metro/blagojevich/1328289,rat-sign-blagojevich-rod-governor-illinois-121208.article

  73. ddlew Says:

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    http//msp256.photobucket.com/albums/hh180/xRantx/obama-toilet.jpg

  74. sba1872 Says:

    The Star-Ledger disses Donofrio… with disinformation. The comments are interesting, though.

    blog.nj.com/njv_editorial_page/2008/12/in_the_land_of_makebelieve.html

  75. sliderblaze Says:

    seems like the editoral page got some people a lil perturbed

  76. sliderblaze Says:

    thats great DD…i might incorparate that into my bathroom scheme as well

  77. sliderblaze Says:

    it’ll go great with my french flag shit tickets

  78. thinkingmom11 Says:

    I had to run out and do some Christmas shopping (no rest for the weary) and I got to thinking: there were a couple of ways Obama could have/should have handled this problem with Blago.

    If he were an honest man he could have said:

    “Of course I spoke with Gov. Blagojovich about my open Senate seat. It is reasonable to expect that a Senator vacating a Senate seat honorably would consult with the governor to discuss a replacement – who better to ask who would represent the people most like the man they elected than that man. However, I was distressed when the Governor appeared to want special treatment for himself or his family in exchange for me getting my top choice appointed. I immediately contacted law enforcement officials and notified them as to what appeared to be going on. I won’t tolerate coercive actions against me or anyone in my administration.”

    The problem with this is he is not an honest man. My first problem is that any reasonable person would actually EXPECT the senator to consult with the governor in regards to who should replace the senator – that would not be considered scandalous or unethical so why the rush to deny any contact with the gov whatsoever… Secondly, assuming he or his advisors DID speak to the Gov and knowing said gov is not shy about his intentions, why on earth did they not go to officials straight away. Herein lies his problem – if he spoke to him and felt that Blago was behaving unethically and did not report him, I believe, then he committed a felony.

    If you are a dishonest man you say: We have, uuu, uu, uhm I have had no contact with, uh, the governor uh, and so I, uh, didn’t know what was, um, going on.

    This is the behaviour of a person used to telling multiple lies and concealing the truth. He is so used to having to lie about things that he may even be lying about something he didn’t have to lie about. He speaks out of both sides of his mouth and in circles surely it is about to catch up with him. He knew what was going on, he failed to stop it and he knows he is in deep doo doo now.

    BTW – anyone seen Rahm lately….

  79. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Slider – The comments on that article are really good – I like hip2becool’s response – summed it all up pretty good. Thanks for the link (btw – the article isn’t worth the paper it is printed on — oh, yeah, it’s not printed on paper. But even if it was printed on toilet paper it would be a waste of paper.)

  80. sliderblaze Says:

    lol, i just did something i havent had to do in a long ass time…..apply for a job, how depressing is that

  81. ddlew Says:

    sliderblaze Says:
    December 13, 2008 at 6:01 am

    lol, i just did something i havent had to do in a long ass time…..apply for a job, how depressing is that

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    Yo slider,

    Did you lose your job? I’m sorry bro.

  82. thinkingmom11 Says:

    That’s no fun, slider…hope you have quick success

  83. sliderblaze Says:

    no, i had my own thing going, but, i have to go to philly for work, about an hour and fifteen minutes one way. work around here is dried up, mexicans taken over, why pay someone like me 40/hr, when they can hire a mexian at 9/hr. And you do get what you pay for. I’m a highend interiors guy, so, off to philly i go, again, but it’s easier for someone else to get me work then it is to find it myself way out there. i’ll have to take about a 10/hr paycut but, hey, it’s still something. so, no worries, i still have my real estate invement thing going….

  84. sliderblaze Says:

    i should MOM, i got a good rep around here for my work, i’ve had companies call me before when i was doing brick staining, they flew me all over the u.s. for jobs cus i was in high demand, i should land something quick.

  85. sliderblaze Says:

    usually here our paper is filled with 5 pages of jobs….not now, it’s down to 5 rows, sad state of affairs here indeed

  86. thinkingmom11 Says:

    At least gas prices are down – would hate to make that trip at $4/gal! Well, best wishes on finding a great job – high end interiors are always in demand SOMEWHERE! I am outta here for the night – enjoy the rest of y’alls’ evening…

  87. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Glad to hear it slider – I am sure you know this – Quality is always in demand (especially these days!)

    Sorry about the jobs being slim pickin’s in your area tho…sux

  88. koyaan Says:

    thinkingmom11 wrote:

    Koyaan bailed – me thinks that we were not intellectual or esoteric enough for him – he didn’t like our assumptions and wouldn’t really answer questions so – he left.

    I did?

    News to me.

    k

  89. sba1872 Says:

    So, Koyaan, are you still here? Or may I assume that you’ve left? If not, I have a question for you.

  90. koyaan Says:

    sba1872 wrote:

    So, Koyaan, are you still here? Or may I assume that you’ve left? If not, I have a question for you.

    Still lurking about for a bit.

    What’s your question?

    k

  91. sba1872 Says:

    I have no expertise of any kind in authenticating online documents so I am unable to challenge anything you have said about the dkos COLB or Ron Polarik’s report. I am curious, though, that one of your first comments, if not your very first comment here was a teaser post of the Berg “under seal” filing. Leaving aside the legal or ethical implications of your doing so, I presume you have access to the filing itself. Do you have any commentary to make regarding the contents or did you just post that for the “nyah nyah. I know something you don’t know” effect?

  92. koyaan Says:

    sba1872 wrote:

    I am curious, though, that one of your first comments, if not your very first comment here was a teaser post of the Berg “under seal” filing. Leaving aside the legal or ethical implications of your doing so, I presume you have access to the filing itself. Do you have any commentary to make regarding the contents or did you just post that for the “nyah nyah. I know something you don’t know” effect?

    Well, if you read my original post, I ended it with “Do I hear any bids?”

    I was just hoping to make a few extra quid for Christmas. 😉

    Seriously though, I was intending to post it, but then someone asked why I wasn’t able to post on Free Republic, and that led to the whole Polarik discussion, and next thing I know I was descended upon by those “BONK! BONK!” kids from that old episode of Star Trek.

    Once I got caught up on replies, I posted the PDF over in the other thread. However it’s still sitting in moderation. Though it seems everyone has abandoned that thread for this one.

    Let me see if I can post it in here without it getting placed in moderation.

    k

  93. koyaan Says:

    Here it is.

    Keep your fingers crossed that you don’t have to wait until Saturday to see it.

    http://www.q-audio.com/berg_complaint.pdf

    k

  94. sba1872 Says:

    Koyaan,

    You can’t post full links here. That’s why it gets stuck in moderation. Post it without the w w w or h t t p.

  95. koyaan Says:

    Nope. Maybe it’s because of the URL.

    Let’s try it this way.

    www dot q-audio dot com forward slash berg_complaint dot pdf

    k

  96. koyaan Says:

    Can you decipher that ok?

    k

  97. sba1872 Says:

    Yes, K, thanks. This is how it has to be posted here (just so you know for future links):

    q-audio.com/berg_complaint.pdf

    Am going to read now. Thanks again.

  98. koyaan Says:

    You’re welcome.

    I’ll be up for another half hour or so (watching the rest of Team America: World Police) if you have any questions.

    k

  99. sba1872 Says:

    And, Koyaan, by the way, though I’m all out of quid, I (and many others here, I’m sure) could offer you many quips in payment. imagine winking smiley here as I am smiley-challenged

  100. koyaan Says:

    Silly rabbit. Quips aren’t for quids. 😉

    k

  101. koyaan Says:

    Oh, and as for being smiley-challenged, just type in the regular text smiley and the blog automagically inserts a graphic smiley.

    A regular smiley is a colon and a closed parenthesis 🙂

    A winking smiley is a semi-colon and a closed parenthesis 😉

    k

  102. sba1872 Says:

    Well, that was a quick read. No questions. The one thing I think would be REALLY interesting to see would be the scholarship application completed on behalf of the 10-year old Indonesian boy for acceptance into Punahou Academy. 1971 was a big year for BO. He was only 4 when he left Hawaii and he returned in 1971, on his own, without his mother, began living with his grandparents, met his father for the first time (baby time doesn’t count, if there was any) and that seemed to be an an airport, and commenced his elitist American education. I’d like to see the Columbia records, Harvard records, and of course, his long-form vaulted birth certificate, but I think that Punahou scholarship application would be very informative. Thanks again and good night.

  103. koyaan Says:

    You’re welcome.

    G’night!

    k

  104. jrinNC Says:

    Very good definition of “natural born” – Plus states case that supports a man is a citizen of the country to which is father owes allegiance:

    “Savage v. Umphries (TX) 118 S. W. 893, 909:

    As a man is a “citizen” of the country to which his father owes allegiance, it was incumbent on one alleging in an election contest that a voter was not a citizen of the United States to show that such voter’s father was not a citizen thereof during his son’s minority.

    Rep. A. Smyth (VA), House of Representatives, December 1820:

    When we apply the term “citizens” to the inhabitants of States, it means those who are members of the political community. The civil law determined the condition of the son by that of the father. A man whose father was not a citizen was allowed to be a perpetual inhabitant, but not a citizen, unless citizenship was conferred on him.”

    Plus article also states: “Therefore, we can say with confidence that a natural-born citizen of the United States means those persons born whose father the United States already has an established jurisdiction over, i.e., born to father’s who are themselves citizens of the United States. A person who had been born under a double allegiance cannot be said to be a natural-born citizen of the United States because such status is not recognized (only in fiction of law). A child born to an American mother and alien father could be said to be a citizen of the United States by some affirmative act of law but never entitled to be a natural-born citizen because through laws of nature the child inherits the condition of their father.”

    federalistblog.us/2008/11/natural-born_citizen_defined.html

  105. jrinNC Says:

    Above article was updated 12/04/08 – “UPDATED 12/4/08

    What might the phrase “natural-born citizen” of the United States imply under the U.S. Constitution? The phrase has always been obscure due to the lack of any single authoritative source to confer in order to understand the condition of citizenship the phrase recognizes. Learning what the phrase might have meant following the Declaration of Independence, and following the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment, requires detective work. As with all detective work, eliminating the usual suspects from the beginning goes a long way in quickly solving a case.” And the article does solve the case.

  106. jrinNC Says:

    OOPS – Very good definition of “natural born” – Plus states case that supports a man is a citizen of the country to which HIS (not is) father owes allegiance:

  107. jrinNC Says:

    So there is precedence at a state level. Has anyone filed in the state of TX????????????????

  108. jrinNC Says:

    All of above is just my 2 cents for the day – don’t know if previously posted or not, but I found this extremely enlightening. Have a good day folks.

  109. j.b. Says:

    Good Morning! Going out to breakfast-I wanted to share this I just found it at Citizenwells…………Please read! Is this true?

    URGENT FORWARD; Per Linda Starr http://lgstarr.blogspot.com/
    Dr Vieria said that if JUST ONE member of the House and ONE member of the SENATE were to challenge Obamas eligibilty to serve as President in WRITING when the Electoral College votes in the Senate Monday, Congress would have to conduct a full investigation with witnesses, testing, and documents. Please contact your representative and Senator right away or by Monday morning, by overnight mail, Fedex, or urgent email or call. Please pass this on. TY.

  110. sliderblaze Says:

    News from Washington State
    Stephen Pidgeon’s case in Washington State, where 14 plaintiffs are suing the Washington Secretary of State Samuel Reed, has received some attention. The judge has agreed to have a hearing on this case, according to the latest rumor.

    Robert Stevens

    i dont like that word rumor in there tho….

  111. hockeyfan530 Says:

    is that pdf koyaan posted about berg’s case the real deal?

    if so I’m a little concerned about the evidence he is using:

    2 affidavits (one from the bishop and the other from the translator I believe)
    the recording of bambam’s grandma
    the indonesian school record

    I thought he had more. The divorce record that Linda Starr mentioned. And didn’t she say they had others she couldn’t talk about?

  112. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    hello everyone

  113. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    fan

    hard to say, it could of been the original then documents submitted into court later; and that is when he asked the court to seal the case.
    The date was Nov 7th. that is taking it at face value and giving credence that they are real.
    Just guessing

  114. koyaan Says:

    A child born to an American mother and alien father could be said to be a citizen of the United States by some affirmative act of law but never entitled to be a natural-born citizen because through laws of nature the child inherits the condition of their father.”

    Through the laws of nature the child inherits the condition of their father?

    What sort of patriarchal nonsense is that?

    k

  115. jjones Says:

    Koyaan,
    Source for that please?

  116. koyaan Says:

    justanamericancindy4 wrote:

    hard to say, it could of been the original then documents submitted into court later; and that is when he asked the court to seal the case.

    No.

    That’s the document that was submitted to the court.

    The reason I came to be in possession of it is because Berg is an utterly incompetent attorney.

    The Federal False Claims act specifically states that all cases must be submitted under seal. However Berg didn’t catch that part and when he submitted it, he didn’t submit it under seal.

    It was available on PACER for a short period of time before someone finally caught the error and the case was sealed.

    A friend of mine happened to notice the filing before that happened and downloaded all of the documents.

    k

  117. rosettasister Says:

    Good morning, America! How are you?!

    It might be easier to follow the dialogue here if we’re all on the same page.

    I don’t care if we’re off topic.

    https://rosettasister.wordpress.com/2008/12/12/the-real-superhumans-and-the-quest-for-the-future-fantastic/

  118. koyaan Says:

    jjones wrote:

    Koyaan,
    Source for that please?

    Source for what? The “through laws of nature the child inherits the condition of their father” thing?

    If so, that’s from something jrinNC posted above.

    k

  119. rosettasister Says:

    rosettasister Says:
    December 13, 2008 at 4:46 pm

    Good morning, America! How are you?!

    ———————oopsy daisy, wrong page!

  120. koyaan Says:

    rosettasister wrote:

    It might be easier to follow the dialogue here if we’re all on the same page.

    No kidding!

    I’d replied to a bunch of posts over on the other thread and noticed that it seemed like everyone had dropped off the face of the planet. Then I wandered in here and found people asking what happened to me and that I’d run off, even though I’d never posted in this thread.

    Weird.

    k

  121. rosettasister Says:

    Linda Starr Says:
    December 13, 2008 at 1:20 am

    Rosetta: “Foxtrot sent me…”

    ———————-

    Linda, thank you for posting here.

    Sorry it took me so long to get to you.

    Only first comments are moderated.

    I hope you see this.

    Also if you want to post a link, post something like this:

    rosettasister.wordpress.com

    no http

    no www

    no “blue”

    Thanks again

    Rosetta

  122. jrinNC Says:

    TO: koyaan Says:
    December 13, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    A child born to an American mother and alien father could be said to be a citizen of the United States by some affirmative act of law but never entitled to be a natural-born citizen because through laws of nature the child inherits the condition of their father.”

    Through the laws of nature the child inherits the condition of their father?

    What sort of patriarchal nonsense is that?

    k

    Don’t tell me it is PATRIARCHAL NONSENSE – you tell that to the person who wrote the article. I have a right to post here also without your snide comments.

  123. rosettasister Says:

    koyaan Says:
    December 13, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    rosettasister wrote:

    It might be easier to follow the dialogue here if we’re all on the same page.

    No kidding!

    I’d replied to a bunch of posts over on the other thread and noticed that it seemed like everyone had dropped off the face of the planet. Then I wandered in here and found people asking what happened to me and that I’d run off, even though I’d never posted in this thread.

    Weird.

    k

    —————-
    yeah, I guess you could say we’re “bare bones” around here.

    My fault.

    We’re usually all on the same page though.

    I’ll have to teach myself how to do that “Recent Comments” thingy.

    Who says you can’t teach an old dog new tricks?!

    Rosetta

  124. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    hope Linda comes back….. would be interesting to talk to her

  125. rosettasister Says:

    justanamericancindy4 Says:
    December 13, 2008 at 5:11 pm

    hope Linda comes back….. would be interesting to talk to her

    ————-

    Oh, absolutely, Cindy!

    Linda Starr, please come back!!!

  126. jrinNC Says:

    Posted from : w.democratic-disaster.com/index.php?action=printpage;topic=1518.0

    “John A. Bingham, chief architect of the 14th Amendments first section, considered the proposed national law on citizenship as “simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen…” (March 9, 1866)”

    “In a nutshell, it means this: The constitution of the United States does not grant citizenship at birth to just anyone who happens to be born within American borders. It is the allegiance (complete jurisdiction) of the child’s birth parents at the time of birth that determines the child’s citizenship–not geographical location. If the United States does not have complete jurisdiction, for example, to compel a child’s parents to Jury Duty–then the U.S. does not have the total, complete jurisdiction demanded by the Fourteenth Amendment to make their child a citizen of the United States by birth. How could it possibly be any other way?”

    Again, I am only posting info that I have been researching – I am not the writer and I cannot vouch for the validity of such information. As I was not around in 1866************

  127. rosettasister Says:

    I’ve been “out of pocket” so please forgive if already posted.

    Latest from Polarik at Free Republic:

    “Happy Bogus Birthday, Obama! The COLB forgery turns six months today. “

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2147794/posts

    EXCERPT

    So, where is Factcheck on the anniversary of the crime? Well, just the day before, they conveniently decided to fold up the tents and get out of Dodge, leaving behind a “Good-bye for now” video that took even more cheap shots at the patriots in America who demand accountability from their leaders.

    If you are new to the birth certificate controversy and the COLB conspiracy, or you’ve been lurking here all along, you should know by now that, not only have I done what no one else has done, but that I will not engage others who wish just to bate me.

    It is just not going to happen. When I posted my final Report — which everyone should read again — that I will not respond to challenges.

    Certainly not to those whose only interest is to throw stones.

    For the few out there who foolishly think that I have been bested by someone else who intentionally flaunts his degree and experience, and who is not fighting the fraud as I am.

    They can pick on me all they want, but I will continue to pick apart the myth of Obama’s birth certificate nevertheless. Obviously, they do not know me, how my research was done, and what it has proven to be true.

    Nor do they get the gravity of the situation here, either. The Bogus COLB issue, or Certifigate, is NOT going away. Not now. Not ever.

    Not until people who perpetrated this fraud are held accountable for their actions. It may not come tomorrow.

    It may not come before the Electoral College meets. It may not even come until after the Oath of Office is taken, but come it will, because the statute of limitations will not go away either.

    ———————————-

    “Factcheck chickens out: takes cheap shots at patriots”

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2148166/posts

    EXCERPTS

    Part One: Factcheck fraud continues taking cheap shots at patriots

    One day before the six-month anniversary of Obama’s forged birth certificate posting, Factcheck.org packed up its tent, hopped back on its high horse, and rode out of Dodge.

    In the wake of their run for cover, Factcheck left behind a cutesy video titled, the “Circus is Still in Town,” likening what’s left of the 2008 election cycle to a three-ring circus — and who knows more about a circus than a bunch of clowns pretending to be a nonpartisan research group?

    Here is a link to the video: “Good-bye for Now”

    So, why did Factcheck make such a hasty exit? I’ve heard a rumor that they are laying low for legal reasons, but I do not know why.

    After all, what do they have to hide? {chuckle-chuckle}

    Part Two: How I scanned and analyzed a real Certification of Live Birth

    Or, “What Factcheck’s image scan might have been if it were not bogus.”

    I made a video, dedicated to FReepers everywhere, that demonstrates the proper scan a real, paper Certification of Live Birth so that ALL of its critical features are visible, such as the Seal, upper fold, lower fold, and the texture of the paper.

    I also show how to use

    As soon as I get the file uploaded, I’ll post it.

  128. Troy Says:

    When is someone going to wise up and file asuit against FactCheck instead of the messiah….If the front has been locked then go through the back door, either way your still in!!!

  129. koyaan Says:

    j.b. wrote (quoting Linda Starr):

    Dr Vieria said that if JUST ONE member of the House and ONE member of the SENATE were to challenge Obamas eligibilty to serve as President in WRITING when the Electoral College votes in the Senate Monday, Congress would have to conduct a full investigation with witnesses, testing, and documents.

    That’s absolutely incorrect.

    If a Representative and a Senator submit objections to any electoral votes, then the House and the Senate each convene separately and have just two hours to debate the objection amongst themselves (with each lawmaker being able to speak for no more than five minutes) after which they decide to certify or reject the votes.

    That’s it.

    No full investigation. No witnesses. No testing. No documents. Just two hours of debate amongst themselves.

    Why do you let people like Linda Starr misleadlead you around by the nose with nonsense like this?

    If you want to know what REALLY happens in a situation like this, just go back to the 2004 election when Representative Stephanie Tubbs Jones and Senator Barbara Boxer filed objections to the electoral votes from Ohio.

    k

  130. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Fackcheck….. now that proves that they are indeed supportive of Obama… otherwise they would of just stated facts not propaganda….. just a BS source

  131. Troy Says:

    If a Representative and a Senator submit objections to any electoral votes, then the House and the Senate each convene separately and have just two hours to debate the objection amongst themselves (with each lawmaker being able to speak for no more than five minutes) after which they decide to certify or reject the votes.

    That’s it.

    ———————————————————–
    Wrong, do some research before you spew….Your way off base from a procedural standpoint.

  132. Troy Says:

    You FakeCheck right?….Lmaooo

  133. thinkingmom11 Says:

    koyaan Says:

    December 13, 2008 at 4:29 pm
    A child born to an American mother and alien father could be said to be a citizen of the United States by some affirmative act of law but never entitled to be a natural-born citizen because through laws of nature the child inherits the condition of their father.”

    Through the laws of nature the child inherits the condition of their father?

    What sort of patriarchal nonsense is that?

    ++++++++++++++

    I believe that was the patriarchal nonsense the founding fathers were familiar with. While it may seem somewhat silly to us know, this was the way much of the world thought for much of the history of the world. I have great respect for the founding fathers and feel that we should be loathe to dismiss anything in the Constitution as nonsense. They were very well versed in human government and lived through, and within close proximity to, some pretty bad forms of government. I dare say there are few around in the entire world today who are as educated and disciplined in their thought and reasoning then the men who wrote our Constitution. I have read some of your blog and you obviously are an intelligent man well studied in logic and rhetoric so I am sure you will think these things through completely, doing research and understanding original intent before giving a final appraisal of “nonsense”. In the meantime, I, personally, don’t have the time or resources to do an in depth study so I am content to leave those kinds of decisions and reasonings to those venerable men who lived so long ago. There philosophy of government brought more advances in human civilization in two hundred plus years than had been brought about in the previous 5000 years — that is a pretty amazing accomplishment.

  134. rosettasister Says:

    Some Headlines:

    “Emanuel May Be On Tape With Blagojevich”

    http://www.dakotavoice.com/2008/12/emanuel-may-be-on-tape-with-blagojevich.html

    Contact: Emanuel spoke with Blago “on multiple occasions” about Senate seat

    http://hotair.com/archives/2008/12/12/contact-emanuel-spoke-with-blago-on-multiple-occasions-about-senate-seat/

    “Russian military retakes border village: Georgia”

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081213/wl_nm/us_georgia_ossetia_2

  135. jrinNC Says:

    Way to go MOM – I have already blasted KOY for snide comment.

  136. thinkingmom11 Says:

    sorry for the misplace “there” up there – I know it should have been “their” my bad…

  137. koyaan Says:

    jrinNC wrote:

    Don’t tell me it is PATRIARCHAL NONSENSE – you tell that to the person who wrote the article. I have a right to post here also without your snide comments.

    Dude! What’s got you wound up so tight on a beautiful Saturday morning?

    I wasn’t telling YOU anything in particular. I was simply commenting in general on the quote you had posted. I know they weren’t YOUR words, which is why I didn’t precede my post with a “jrinNC wrote:”

    k

  138. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    In the spirit of Troy

    Emanuel under the bus…… bump bump bump

  139. rosettasister Says:

    I haven’t listened to this yet, but I know MommaE is in contact with Berg on a regular basis, so might be worth a listen.

    MommaE from Friday 12/12/08

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/mommaeradiorebels

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/mommaEradioRebels/2008/12/13/Momma-E-and-the-Radio-Rebels

  140. thinkingmom11 Says:

    JAC – I love the sound of blump, blump, blump in the morning…

  141. jrinNC Says:

    koyaan Says:
    December 13, 2008 at 5:44 pm

    Dude! What’s got you wound up so tight on a beautiful Saturday morning?

    I wasn’t telling YOU anything in particular. I was simply commenting in general on the quote you had posted. I know they weren’t YOUR words, which is why I didn’t precede my post with a “jrinNC wrote:”

    k

    ******************************************************

    As you so blatantly stated in one of your previous post about your gender, how do you know my gender – WRONG – It is immaterial to me whether or not you didn’t post by including “jrinNC wrote” it was still directed to me as no one else was talking about it.

  142. Troy Says:

    It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know that Rahm is toast.
    He is the lying ass piece of Chicago scum that we all knew he was….It also doesn’t take a genius to know that he was speaking on Barky’s behalf and was told to try to broker a deal.

  143. thinkingmom11 Says:

    I would love to listen to that audio Rose, but I have to run – have Christmas festivities today and I have a few errands to run. Everyone have a great day, even you Koyaan 🙂 I love Christmas time – puts me in a charitable mood, I guess.

    Poor Obama isn’t going to have any friends left – guess it would be easier to give up the Blackberry then…see there is a silver lining, BO!

  144. thinkingmom11 Says:

    No doubt, Troy, no doubt! And by me wishing you a great day, you know I mean toasting trolls – I know how you love to do that 🙂

    CYL everyone! Peace.

  145. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Troy

    lol,…… hey I did a bump bump bump for you 😉

  146. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    cul mom

  147. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    just a thought,……. you think with that video that Factcheck did indeed cross the line to show their favoritism of bam bam….. opening themselves up for a lawsuit??

  148. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    ALL the state need to do this,……. might not fix this time, but it prevents future Bo’s from abusing the system

    therightsideoflife.com/

  149. Al Says:

    Good day, Rose. Hope this message finds you well and in good spirits. Before turning in last night, I checked in over at Sage’s to determine if Grace had submitted any additional investigative research to her well-written three part series covering Mr. Korir’s background. When I posted a message in response to a post implying that Sage’s group has gone from being referred to as “a bunch of hens/chickens” to now “mountain women” I responded with, “Mountain women is suffice if it implys that you guys are towering over the falsehoods of API”, which drew an immediate response from Grace, who within the next couple of minutes shared the following so thought I would pass it on for what it’s worth:

    December 12th, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    Yes, I absolutely agree with you. Please send my regards to Rose, eventhough I have not posted there before. I am a lurker though,

    Part 4, lol! That I have to see if I have some time on my hand, and have enough information through research. I do not want to post something just for the sake of posting. I will definitely ask Sage if she would like me to dig deeper. So far, I am taking a break. Sammy’s life is not something I enjoy researching, lol! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>End Quote

    Grace’s “Yes, I absolutely agree with you” remark was in response to my post that I admired how you and Sage was doing all that you both could to promote a sense of peace and mutual respect of each other…” Just thought it interesting that Grace’s initial post to me alerted everyone else in her comments that I was from “R-blog”, thus my disarming follow-up post about how much you and Sage have been respectful of each other, etc.

    Grace, if you or anyone from Sage happen to lurk/peek in today, please note I simply passed along your regards as you requested,and again my brief visit to Sage’s was only to determine if you had written any follow-up research since your three part series…as I said last night my chief (no pun intended towards, Mr. Korir) concern is that as long as the so-called “Imam” and “tape(s)” are still in limbo somebody needed to stay abreast of this so Mr. Korir isn’t given an opportunity to resurrect this storyline and deceive innocent others later on because the rest of us have wisely moved on. Thanks for your research and vigilance.

  150. indy500 Says:

    I’ve seen all the back and forth on the thing 0 posted as proof of being natural born. Seen the newspaper announcement for baby 0. Heard what Hawaii said about seeing the long BC. I still can’t figure out why he refuses to release the original. Didn’t McCain release his? And, according to LD and CW lawsuit it seems he’s not NB either. If there a legitimate why 0 hasn’t released his original BC, I haven’t seen it yet.

    How about school records. Why is that a secret? McCain’s were released and proved he graduated in the top 98% of his class. No Einstein but the records are there. I even saw his classmates comment on his school days. Even saw his fellow Vets. comment on his time in service. Maybe I haven’t seen it yet but how about 0’s school records. Why aren’t they available for review? Has anyone seen interviews or comments with former classmates or professors? I haven’t but maybe I missed it.

    What about the Indonesian school records for Barry? Has anyone seen any reference in the media? Did 0 address this on his site or the others that cover him?

    Why does it seem like 0 became a person when he was elected to the senate? Prior to that, NOTHING? Passport records – only after he became senator. School records – None that I have seen. Childhood friends, school mates, etc. – I haven’t seen any. Birth Cert. – Only saw something that is unlike anything I had to produce for several jobs I’ve had and various other reasons.

    I applied once for a Fed. LEO job awhile back. Most intense process I ever went through. OPM investigated everywhere I have ever been. Interviewed coworkers, friends, family and ex’s. I din’t take the job because of location but the point is I got my background investigation through a FOIA and they scoured my history. It was cool because I got see what people had said about me. Point is, I was put through the wringer for a low level Fed. position. What about 0? Nothing as far as I can tell.

    I ended taking another Fed. position several months later. Because I had a file, it was a little easier but they still double checked my background.

  151. Troy Says:

    Indy,
    He is a usurper plain and simple and he is going to get away with it….The fix is in!!!….Arnold needs to announce his intentions to run for Pres in 2012, as a precedent has been established and he too is now eligible….Our country as we once knew it no longer exists….It will take an armed movement to ever get it back.

  152. koyaan Says:

    thinkingmom11 wrote:

    I believe that was the patriarchal nonsense the founding fathers were familiar with. While it may seem somewhat silly to us know, this was the way much of the world thought for much of the history of the world. I have great respect for the founding fathers and feel that we should be loathe to dismiss anything in the Constitution as nonsense.

    Except that “through laws of nature the child inherits the condition of their father” is not in the Constitution.

    But if the patriarchal nonsense the founding fathers were familiar with is to be applied in 2008 to determine who may be considered a natural born citizen as per the Constitution, then it must also be applied throughout the Constitution.

    In such a patriarchal society as existed at the time of our founding, it was utterly inconceivable that anyone but a male should hold the office of President. And it is explicitly stated in Article II that “He shall hold his office during the term of four years…”

    So would you not agree therefore that until such time as the Constitution is amended to reflect more modern thinking that only men shall be constitutionally qualified to hold the office of President?

    k

  153. indy500 Says:

    Al, Newsflash – Everyone here has moved on and see’s API is a stinkin corpse. I wonder how many of those “Mountain Women” have pooped in the woods and wiped with grass? Or skinned a moose or any other critter? I hope that “investigation” nails Korir to the wall. “Mountain Women” No way! Sarah Palin on the other hand, I would trust her with my back in the wilderness long before any of those self appreciating folks.

  154. koyaan Says:

    thinkingmom11 wrote:

    Everyone have a great day, even you Koyaan 🙂 I love Christmas time – puts me in a charitable mood, I guess.

    BAH! IT’S ALL HUMBUG I TELL YOU! 😉

    Thanks, thinkingmom. You too!

    k

  155. Troy Says:

    This illustrates that Congress recently discussed the issue, and they can’t claim they were unaware. But we don’t have to take Dr. Fonte’s word for it. The following discussion by the various 14th Amendment Framers took place on the Senate floor. I took it from P.A. Madison’s research at http://www.14thamendment.us (use his link for footnotes):

    It is clear the framers of the Fourteenth Amendment had no intention of freely giving away American citizenship to just anyone simply because they may have been born on American soil. Again, we are fortunate enough to have on the record the highest authority tell us, Sen. Lyman Trumbull, Chairman of the Judiciary Committee… and the one who inserted the phrase:

    [T]he provision is, that ‘all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.’ That means ’subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.’ What do we mean by ‘complete jurisdiction thereof?’ Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means.

    Then Madison quotes Sen. Howard, another Framer, concurring with Trumbull:

    Sen. Howard concurs with Trumbull’s construction:

    Mr. HOWARD: I concur entirely with the honorable Senator from Illinois [Trumbull], in holding that the word “jurisdiction,” as here employed, ought to be construed so as to imply a full and complete jurisdiction on the part of the United States, whether exercised by Congress, by the executive, or by the judicial department; that is to say, the same jurisdiction in extent and quality as applies to every citizen of the United States now.[3]

    Mr. Madison continues with even more proof of what the 14th Amendment Framers meant:

    Sen. Johnson, speaking on the Senate floor, offers his comments and understanding of the proposed new amendment to the constitution:

    [Now], all this amendment [citizenship clause] provides is, that all persons born in the United States and not subject to some foreign Power–for that, no doubt, is the meaning of the committee who have brought the matter before us–shall be considered as citizens of the United States. That would seem to be not only a wise but a necessary provision. If there are to be citizens of the United States there should be some certain definition of what citizenship is, what has created the character of citizen as between himself and the United States, and the amendment says that citizenship may depend upon birth, and I know of no better way to give rise to citizenship than the fact of birth within the territory of the United States, born to parents who at the time were subject to the authority of the United States.[4]

    No doubt in the Senate as to what the citizenship clause means as further evidenced by Sen. W. Williams:

    In one sense, all persons born within the geographical limits of the United States are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States…All persons living within a judicial district may be said, in one sense, to be subject to the jurisdiction of the court in that district, but they are not in every sense subject to the jurisdiction of the court until they are brought, by proper process, within the reach of the power of the court. I understand the words here, ’subject to the jurisdiction of the United States,’ to mean fully and completely subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.[5]

    Madison saves for last the greatest authority on the issue:

    Rep. John Bingham of Ohio, considered the father of the Fourteenth Amendment, confirms the understanding and construction the framers used in regards to birthright and jurisdiction while speaking on civil rights of citizens in the House on March 9, 1866:

    [I] find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen…[6]

    It’s important to note this statement was issued by Bingham only months before the 14th Amendment was proposed.

    In conclusion, I would like to thank reader “John Boy” for pointing to Justice Scalia’s opinion in District of Columbia Et Al. v. Heller. In that case, Justice Scalia took into consideration a certain historical legal reference:

    The common references to those “fit to bear arms” in congressional discussions about the militia are matched by use of the same phrase in the few nonmilitary federal contexts where the concept would be relevant… Other legal sources frequently used “bear arms” in nonmilitary contexts.10

    Now look at “footnote 10″:

    E. de Vattel, The Law of Nations, or, Principles of the Law of Nature 144 (1792) (“Since custom has allowed persons of rank and gentlemen of the army to bear arms in time of peace, strict care should be taken that none but these should be allowed to wear swords”);

    Since Justice Scalia cited to this legal textbook in March of 2008, it’s not outrageous to think he might also refer to “The Laws of Nations” on the natural born Citizen issue?

    I’ll leave you now with the relevant textbook definition of natural born citizen. The following was published in 1758. This definition, added to all of the above, certainly establishes a rational legal basis to hold that Barack Obama is not a natural born Citizen. And more than that, it puts the burden on those who deny it to don the tin foil hat of despair and bring forthwith to the table of honest debate their own bed of authority to lie in:

    § 212. Citizens and natives.
    The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.

  156. Troy Says:

    This illustrates that Congress recently discussed the issue, and they can’t claim they were unaware. But we don’t have to take Dr. Fonte’s word for it. The following discussion by the various 14th Amendment Framers took place on the Senate floor. I took it from P.A. Madison’s research at http // 14thamendment.us (use his link for footnotes):

    It is clear the framers of the Fourteenth Amendment had no intention of freely giving away American citizenship to just anyone simply because they may have been born on American soil. Again, we are fortunate enough to have on the record the highest authority tell us, Sen. Lyman Trumbull, Chairman of the Judiciary Committee… and the one who inserted the phrase:

    [T]he provision is, that ‘all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.’ That means ’subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.’ What do we mean by ‘complete jurisdiction thereof?’ Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means.

    Then Madison quotes Sen. Howard, another Framer, concurring with Trumbull:

    Sen. Howard concurs with Trumbull’s construction:

    Mr. HOWARD: I concur entirely with the honorable Senator from Illinois [Trumbull], in holding that the word “jurisdiction,” as here employed, ought to be construed so as to imply a full and complete jurisdiction on the part of the United States, whether exercised by Congress, by the executive, or by the judicial department; that is to say, the same jurisdiction in extent and quality as applies to every citizen of the United States now.[3]

    Mr. Madison continues with even more proof of what the 14th Amendment Framers meant:

    Sen. Johnson, speaking on the Senate floor, offers his comments and understanding of the proposed new amendment to the constitution:

    [Now], all this amendment [citizenship clause] provides is, that all persons born in the United States and not subject to some foreign Power–for that, no doubt, is the meaning of the committee who have brought the matter before us–shall be considered as citizens of the United States. That would seem to be not only a wise but a necessary provision. If there are to be citizens of the United States there should be some certain definition of what citizenship is, what has created the character of citizen as between himself and the United States, and the amendment says that citizenship may depend upon birth, and I know of no better way to give rise to citizenship than the fact of birth within the territory of the United States, born to parents who at the time were subject to the authority of the United States.[4]

    No doubt in the Senate as to what the citizenship clause means as further evidenced by Sen. W. Williams:

    In one sense, all persons born within the geographical limits of the United States are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States…All persons living within a judicial district may be said, in one sense, to be subject to the jurisdiction of the court in that district, but they are not in every sense subject to the jurisdiction of the court until they are brought, by proper process, within the reach of the power of the court. I understand the words here, ’subject to the jurisdiction of the United States,’ to mean fully and completely subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.[5]

    Madison saves for last the greatest authority on the issue:

    Rep. John Bingham of Ohio, considered the father of the Fourteenth Amendment, confirms the understanding and construction the framers used in regards to birthright and jurisdiction while speaking on civil rights of citizens in the House on March 9, 1866:

    [I] find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen…[6]

    It’s important to note this statement was issued by Bingham only months before the 14th Amendment was proposed.

    In conclusion, I would like to thank reader “John Boy” for pointing to Justice Scalia’s opinion in District of Columbia Et Al. v. Heller. In that case, Justice Scalia took into consideration a certain historical legal reference:

    The common references to those “fit to bear arms” in congressional discussions about the militia are matched by use of the same phrase in the few nonmilitary federal contexts where the concept would be relevant… Other legal sources frequently used “bear arms” in nonmilitary contexts.10

    Now look at “footnote 10″:

    E. de Vattel, The Law of Nations, or, Principles of the Law of Nature 144 (1792) (“Since custom has allowed persons of rank and gentlemen of the army to bear arms in time of peace, strict care should be taken that none but these should be allowed to wear swords”);

    Since Justice Scalia cited to this legal textbook in March of 2008, it’s not outrageous to think he might also refer to “The Laws of Nations” on the natural born Citizen issue?

    I’ll leave you now with the relevant textbook definition of natural born citizen. The following was published in 1758. This definition, added to all of the above, certainly establishes a rational legal basis to hold that Barack Obama is not a natural born Citizen. And more than that, it puts the burden on those who deny it to don the tin foil hat of despair and bring forthwith to the table of honest debate their own bed of authority to lie in:

    § 212. Citizens and natives.
    The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.

  157. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    koyaan

    That is a lame argument, at the time the constitution was written women did not have the right to vote so could not hold office. This was later revised when woman WERE giving the voting right, and all ‘he’ in the constitution are considered to cover both sexes.

    the natural clause has never been revised or amended

    The Except that “through laws of nature the child inherits the condition of their father” is not in the constitution, but I “believe” it is in archived letters passed between the framers….. so it proves intent…

  158. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    koyaan

    That is a lame argument, at the time the constitution was written women did not have the right to vote so could not hold office. This was later revised when woman WERE giving the voting right, and all ‘he’ in the constitution are considered to cover both sexes.

    the natural clause has never been revised or amended

    The Except that “through laws of nature the child inherits the condition of their father” is not in the constitution, but I “believe” it is in archived letters passed between the framers….. so it proves intent…

  159. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    how did that happen??…. sorry for the double posts

  160. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Except from Factcheck
    _______________

    GRAPHIC: HAWAII DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH NEWS RELEASE
    And according to the Hawaii Department of Health, state law prohibits the release of certified birth certificates to “persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.” But, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii department of health, confirmed, in a statement, that she and the registrar of vital statistics have seen and verified that Sen. Obama’s birth certificate is on record in accordance with the law.
    Besides, Berg’s case has already been dealt a blow, since it was thrown out of federal courts in Pennsylvania.
    So, if you’re planning on sending us a message on this topic, alleging that Obama was transported by underground pathway from Kenya to the U.S., we suggest you save your bandwidth.
    And now, in ring number two we turn to the Minnesota recount. Yes, that’s right, Minnesota is still short one senator…

  161. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    The factcheck pdf

    factcheck.org/imagefiles/Just%20the%20Facts%20Scripts/Episode47_FINAL.pdf

    The video for those who didn’t catch it on a earlier post

    factcheck.org/just-the-facts/good-bye_for_now.html

  162. koyaan Says:

    jrinNC wrote:

    As you so blatantly stated in one of your previous post about your gender, how do you know my gender – WRONG –

    I wasn’t referring to your gender when I said “dude.” In case you weren’t aware, “dude” does not exclusively refer to a male and in the current vernacular is commonly used for both sexes, and even self-referentially by women.

    t is immaterial to me whether or not you didn’t post by including “jrinNC wrote” it was still directed to me as no one else was talking about it.

    Excuse me, but I was talking about it. And not directing anything specifically at you.

    I think you’re being just a bit paranoid here.

    k

  163. koyaan Says:

    justanamericancindy4 wrote:

    just a thought,……. you think with that video that Factcheck did indeed cross the line to show their favoritism of bam bam….. opening themselves up for a lawsuit??

    Opening themselves up for what kind of lawsuit exactly?

    k

  164. Troy Says:

    Forget the “mother” -vs- “father” mess…It doesn’t even enter in to it….Read what I posted above…Ineligible…CASE CLOSED!!!!!

  165. koyaan Says:

    justanamericancindy4 wrote:

    That is a lame argument, at the time the constitution was written women did not have the right to vote so could not hold office. This was later revised when woman WERE giving the voting right, and all ‘he’ in the constitution are considered to cover both sexes.

    Er, what has the right to vote have to do with qualifying to hold the office of President? Not to mention that we don’t directly elect the President to begin with.

    k

  166. jrinNC Says:

    Troy – also see
    2006 DUAL CITIZENSHIP, BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP, AND THE MEANING OF SOVEREIGNTY HEARING BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON IMMIGRATION,BORDER SECURITY, AND CLAIMS OF THE
    COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED NINTH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION SEPTEMBER 29, 2005

    ://commdocs.house.gov/committees/judiciary/hju23690.000/hju23690_0.HTM

  167. Troy Says:

    koyaan,
    What’s wrong?…You can’t seem to refutiate the info that I posted above, can you?…I furnish you the cold hard facts and the only thing you can do is argue about some ridiculous and irrelevant issue….Don’t worry the SCOTUS is not going to rule against your BOY….They are spineless and we are going to see to it that all the Obamaggots enjoy the most miserable four years of their lives….Enjoy!!!!

  168. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    koyaan
    Reverse arguement,….. those who are not allowed to vote, criminals, illegals etc…can not hold office; this is spelled out in many state and federal laws.

    I know I also read it somewhere, but I do not have the time to source my information.

  169. koyaan Says:

    Troy wrote:

    Don’t worry the SCOTUS is not going to rule against your BOY….They are spineless and we are going to see to it that all the Obamaggots enjoy the most miserable four years of their lives….

    “BOY”?

    Talk about spineless.

    Why are you mincing words? Why don’t you just come right out and say it?

    “NIGGER.”

    k

  170. Al Says:

    indy500 Says:

    December 13, 2008 at 7:13 pm
    Al, Newsflash – Everyone here has moved on and see’s API is a stinkin corpse. I wonder how many of those “Mountain Women” have pooped in the woods and wiped with grass? Or skinned a moose or any other critter? I hope that “investigation” nails Korir to the wall. “Mountain Women” No way! Sarah Palin on the other hand, I would trust her with my back in the wilderness long before any of those self appreciating folks.

    ************************************************************

    Yes, we all have, Indy500; however, please don’t put it past the likes of Mr. Korir to “lay low” for awhile and just when he thinks none of us are any the wiser he crafts another version of the same MO to deceive another round of innocent people with more bogus claims (I think it’s very clear, crystal clear to Mr. Korir that he won’t be able to fool us or anyone for a long time). However, to her credit, Grace, is being proactive in order to prevent Mr. Korir’s attempts to resurface even after much time has passed and he thinks none of us are looking. Agree with you too that, yes, for his fraudulent schemes and total disregard for honesty, he should be nailed to a wall.

    Though I have no quarrels with anyone at MS, I totally agree with your favorable assessment of Governor Sarah Palin. I remember what happened to then ex-California Governor Ronald Reagan in 1976 where he was passed over by his party in favor of President Gerald R. Ford when it was clear that he was someone to be reckoned with…and as much as the MSM treated Governor Palin unfairly this year to say the least, she has the same kind of appeal that if marketed correctly could build a base of support that will resonate across the country. I’d be the first to admit, Indy’, if four years under Obama compares to four years under former President Jimmy Carter, that Governor Palin with the right staff and focus would wipe the floor up with him in 2012.

  171. koyaan Says:

    justanamericancindy4 wrote:

    koyaan
    Reverse arguement,….. those who are not allowed to vote, criminals, illegals etc…can not hold office; this is spelled out in many state and federal laws.

    Sorry, but there’s nothing constitutionally disqualifying a criminal from holding the office of President.

    Thirty five years of age.

    Natural born citizen.

    Fourteen years a resident.

    That’s it.

    k

  172. Al Says:

    koyaan Says:

    December 13, 2008 at 8:41 pm
    Troy wrote:

    Don’t worry the SCOTUS is not going to rule against your BOY….They are spineless and we are going to see to it that all the Obamaggots enjoy the most miserable four years of their lives….

    “BOY”?

    Talk about spineless.

    Why are you mincing words? Why don’t you just come right out and say it?

    “NIGGER.”

    k

    ************************************************************

    Was that necessary, “k”?! Trust me, Troy doesn’t mince words, so don’t put words in his mouth. I appeal to you respectfully to stay focused upon the issues and stay clear of offending others. Thanking you in advance for your understanding.

  173. jrinNC Says:

    Sorry folks, as my Mama once told me, “I will argue a fencepost.” If I don’t stand up for ME – no one will. That is why I was a contract negotiator for 18 years of my 32 years with the Govt.

    koyaan Says:
    December 13, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    “I wasn’t referring to your gender when I said “dude.” In case you weren’t aware, “dude” does not exclusively refer to a male and in the current vernacular is commonly used for both sexes, and even self-referentially by women. …

    KOY I am not discussing this with you anymore – you don’t warrant my time. But for your information Dude is generally used informally to address a male individual. But the term has evolved to include both genders, I guess it all has to do with which part of the country you come from and then it would be appropriate to say DUDES which includes male and female. Most would say a woman is a dudette.

    ….. I think you’re being just a bit paranoid here.”

    Well look at the pot calling the kettle black – Because you need to evaluate your input here and see how many think you fall into that category.

    Nuf Said!!!

    However, it has become very obvious to me that the input I make here is for the most part ignored. Yet someone else can post the same info and it becomes open for discussion. Recently the info that Troy just posed on I posted early this morning if anyone cared to read and research all the footnotes associated. I just didn’t copy it and put it here in it’s entirety.

    I have been reading from this site for over 2 months and was impressed with the people here. I thought that I also could contribute so I joined. I have not nor will I ever post anywhere else. With that being said, I wish each of you the best.

    Rose – please close my account.

  174. koyaan Says:

    I also might add that there’s nothing constitutionally disqualifying a criminal from holding any federal elected office.

    k

  175. jjones Says:

    “BOY”?

    Talk about spineless.

    Why are you mincing words? Why don’t you just come right out and say it?

    “NIGGER.”

    k
    ____________________________________________

    Koyaan,
    totaly uncalled for and uneccessary. When I read his post I did NOT read into it that he was being racist. If you did read that, then who is the rascist one. Why would you automatically assume the worst?

  176. rosettasister Says:

    jrinNC Says:
    December 13, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    ———————-

    jr, I’m sorry you are upset.

    Admittedly, I do miss a lot around here.

    Often times, I only see the most recent comment.

    And I happened to see yours.

    Of course, you’ll always be welcome here.

    Rose

  177. koyaan Says:

    Al wrote:

    Was that necessary, “k”?! Trust me, Troy doesn’t mince words, so don’t put words in his mouth.

    Fair ’nuff. The words that come out are telling enough.

    k

  178. rosettasister Says:

    jjones Says:
    December 13, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    Koyaan,
    totaly uncalled for and uneccessary. When I read his post I did NOT read into it that he was being racist. If you did read that, then who is the rascist one. Why would you automatically assume the worst?

    ———————-

    Agreed.

    koyaan, I’m afraid this says more about your interpretation than about jjones.

    Please refrain from using that word.

    It diminishes all of us.

    Rose

  179. indy500 Says:

    Just one more thing about the “Mountain Woman” thing from Al. I posted about it above but I just want to add one more thing.

    To me “Mountain Woman” projects an image of ruggedness, an image of someone who has proven they can survive under the worst of conditions. Something I don’t think the Sage folks can live up to.

    Just a little story about the toughest, strongest woman I have ever met. A woman that is tougher and stronger than most men I have met. My wife and my hero, who is part Blackfoot Indian and probably more than most who claim Indian heritage.

    She spent 7 years in the poorest most deprived part of Mexico as a missionary. Some of the things that she endured is beyond what most folks could ever imagine. She fought off attempted rape, ate the most simplest of foods that most wouldn’t even consider food, slept in what can only be described as nothing more than way below what is considered a slum here in the USA. How many here can say they killed a snake in their tent and cooked it up for dinner that night? How many can claim giving birth to a son in a place that isn’t fit for a homeless person to spend the night? 7 years of primative living that most of us here in the USA could never imagine.

    After Mexico, she spent several years in an Indian reservation as a Missionary in Arizona. Some of the stuff she dealt with there would seem like a nightmare to those who sleep in a warm bed every night and eat at resturants every now and then. How many who read this has fought off an attack from someone twice your size? Or had to forage the land for something to eat?

    I consider myself the luckiest guy in the world to have a woman that has been on the dark side and endured to the point that in my opinion she is invincible. As to her character – One night before I went to work she grabbed me and said to be careful. I didn’t think much of it because I’m always careful. She told me she was praying for me. That night, I got into some crap, got taken to the ER – my phone rang, she wanted to know what was going on. Lucky for me or thanks to her prayers it was only a small deal. She activated the prayer chain at Church. I came home with only a big bandaid and she was there waiting for me.

    Because of my life experience, I have a certain definition for “Mountain Woman”. My woman fits my definition. When the poop hits the fan I know my 6 is covered. I wonder how many others can say the same thing. I know I spout off on stuff and sound like a raving lunatic. When I do, she always points it out. I only wish I had her level of tolerance and understanding.

  180. Al Says:

    koyaan Says:

    December 13, 2008 at 8:54 pm
    Al wrote:

    Was that necessary, “k”?! Trust me, Troy doesn’t mince words, so don’t put words in his mouth.

    Fair ’nuff. The words that come out are telling enough.

    k

    ************************************************************

    Okay, truce. Issues only and unless Troy says it, please don’t imply it–fair enough?

  181. Troy Says:

    Rosetta,
    I respectfully request that you ban KOYAAN from this blog site.
    As a regular and loyal visitor to RosettaSister I do not appreciate koyaans insults to me or the rest of our “Rosetta Gang”….I also do not appreciate the insinuations directed toward me by koyaan….This person seems to have come here with only ill intentions….I think that if you take a poll amoung the loyal Rosetta Gang here you will find that most feel this same way….It was once a very peaceful and respectful atmosphere here and upon the arrival of koyaan it has become increasingly the opposite…Thank you Rose.

  182. koyaan Says:

    jjones wrote:

    totaly uncalled for and uneccessary. When I read his post I did NOT read into it that he was being racist. If you did read that, then who is the rascist one. Why would you automatically assume the worst?

    I wouldn’t have read anything more into it if he had simply said “your boy.” I’ve used the phrase myself.

    However in both instances that he’s used the phrase, it’s been “your BOY.”

    Why the emphasis only on “boy”? Why not “YOUR boy” or “YOUR BOY”?

    Curious.

    k

  183. Al Says:

    Well-said, Indy’–and kudos to your genuine love and respect for her. Your personal feelings about the inference to “Mountain Woman” is totally understandable, especially given her courage and fighting-spirit to overcome more than most of us could even begin to undertsand much less handle. Bravo.

  184. toonces777 Says:

    Indy:

    What a brave and incredible woman you call wife and helpmeet. Thank you for sharing.

  185. rosettasister Says:

    Troy Says:
    December 13, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    It was once a very peaceful and respectful atmosphere here and upon the arrival of koyaan it has become increasingly the opposite…Thank you Rose.

    ———————–

    Yes, I’m afraid there’s no denying what you are saying.

    I don’t want to scare everyone off.

    koyaan, this is a public forum and I’ve only had to ban two or three who were disrespectful and insulting.

    Perhaps we are boring in our insular world here, but we like it that way.

    Please find a way to express yourself here that is not so off-putting.

    Thanks,

    Rose

  186. sba1872 Says:

    Koyaan,

    Yes, our “Founding Fathers” (duh) lived in a patriarchal society. Neither women nor African Americans had full rights of citizenship at that time. I sometimes think about the African American struggle for freedom and rights and that female AA’s fought as long and as hard as males, but had to wait an additional 50 years for suffrage rights. Most societies were patriarchal. Even today, some of those traditions linger, e.g., women taking their husband’s last name in marriage. But that has absolutely nothing to do with Obama’s eligibility under Article II. And the use of “he” and “his” is not a disqualification as it is used throughout the document. We have had, unchallenged, female voters, electors, congresspersons, senators, etc. Article II does NOT require that the US President be male. It DOES require that he be natural-born. This is the relevant language that is being considered and discussed. Apparently, other than Chester Arthur, we have never had this question arise. The “he” usage in Article II is totally irrelevant. Should Hillary Clinton or Sarah Palin ever be elected President, I, for one, would be pleased to discuss such an eligibility challenge. (But I warn you, I shall be decidedly less civilized.) As for the fact that we vote for electors and not the candidate him/herself, so what? You deliberately choose to debate semantics. We could do that all day. I mean, why 35 years of age? Why a resident for 14 years? It’s not relevant and that’s why we’re not talking about it.

    Listen, I’m embarrassed that I was woefully ignorant of the Constitutional requirements and the fact that there is no one who is responsible for certifying eligibility. I’m still reading and still learning, but as Leo Donofrio said, it’s not so much a question of Obama (although some would disagree because his deliberate withholding of information seems foolish and unnecessary for one who has nothing to hide and presents himself as one interested in transparency and accountability) as it is about the next candidate. What’s to prevent the true Manchurian Candidate, the true usurper from becoming Commander in Chief, arguably the most powerful position in the world? We can no longer depend on the fourth estate to investigate and vet candidates so we will have to have something in place before the next election.

    I am deliberately ignoring the “N” thing. It is contemptibly irrelevant and far, far beneath the level of discussion that we have ever had on this blog.

  187. amy Says:

    jrinnc…..Pleaseeeee.. If you come back to lurk, please rejoin us.. I usualy just lurk, but I have enjoyed your comments.. Please do NOT let anyone in here get you down.. This is the BEST blog, and most commenters in here are decent people.. I usually just ignore the intruders who come in here to stir things up..Pleaseeeeeee come back.

  188. koyaan Says:

    roesttasister wrote:

    koyaan, this is a public forum and I’ve only had to ban two or three who were disrespectful and insulting.

    You mean stuff like this:

    Have you been sniffing glue for the past month?

    koyaan, don’t start your crap here….it won’t be heard!!!!

    Folks what we have here is a kool-aid drinker trying to damage control for Barky….Don’t waste your time here troll.

    now do y’all see why I jumped koyaan when he first started to spew…I can spot these fools from a mile off

    I hope Rose will follow Free Republic’s lead and ban this little Obot….NOT WELCOMED!!!!

    He/she is a punk ass twirp that got tossed from FreeRepublic for a good reason, has nowhere to go and is looking for a new home here….I hope Rose will put out a “No Vacancy” sign.

    Your talking out of your ass…

    I knew it was a pissant when it first showed up here!!!

    paid Obots always try to distract people from what is really going on

    Please find a way to express yourself here that is not so off-putting.

    Sure.

    Shall I use the examples above as a guide?

    k

  189. Troy Says:

    And now I will 2nd all of that!!!

  190. rosettasister Says:

    koyaan Says:
    December 13, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    Please find a way to express yourself here that is not so off-putting.

    Sure.

    Shall I use the examples above as a guide?

    k

    ——————-

    Obviously not, some of that is a bit over the top.

    We’re not all angels here.

    But we have had a rhythm going on and we’d prefer that you not be disruptive.

    Actually most came here in the first place in order to avoid the type of confrontation that some seem to thrive on.

    We’re not all of one mind to be sure, but we’d like to keep things on an even keel more or less.

    Rose

  191. lyn Says:

    suntimes.com/news/metro/blagojevich/1329529,CST-NWS-blago13.article
    On Friday, in his first public comments since his arrest, the governor did not rule out the possibility he might resign. As he left the federal courthouse after a visit to the pretrial services office, a reporter asked the governor, “Do you have anything to say to the people of Illinois?”

    He replied, “I will at the appropriate time. Absolutely.”

    “Are you going to resign?” the reporter asked.

    “I’ll have a lot to say at the appropriate time,” Blagojevich answered.

  192. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    jrinNC

    I am sorry if you felt we didn’t stick up for you. I wish I read more of the posts today instead of skipping around.

    I hope you return…. you are very much welcome here and I enjoy your posts.

  193. goferit Says:

    jrinNC

    From one lurker to another, know you ARE relevant to Rose’s blog. Don’t be put off by the constant twisting of words that we’ve seen here in the past couple of days. Your comments are always read by me as relevant to the topic at hand. I have found in my life, that once someone brings the level of discourse to an abrupt new low and does not take the afforded constructive criticism as it was meant, there is a problem that the Rosetta Gang isn’t going to solve. The obfuscation of facts and responses that are put forth are just a manifestation of burying good ideas in BS.
    If you decide to truly leave, take good care. This nastiness too shall pass.
    Rosetta Gang DOES rock!

    Goferit

  194. indy500 Says:

    toonces777 Says:
    December 13, 2008 at 9:06 pm:
    —————————————
    I only scratched the surface. She once did her job despite a broken bone in her arm. I’ve never seen anything like it. I only wish I had the ability to write a book about her. Even if I did, she would tell me to drop it. She can see what is going on concerning 0. I don’t have to mention it. When I reflect back on how our country was founded I see suffering and hardship. When I look into her dark eyes I see the same spirit that brought us to where we are now.

  195. rosettasister Says:

    indy500 Says:
    December 13, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    When I reflect back on how our country was founded I see suffering and hardship. When I look into her dark eyes I see the same spirit that brought us to where we are now.

    ——————–

    indy, such a blessed woman to have someone like you love her so much.

    Rose

  196. rosettasister Says:

    if anyone wants to post something and make sure I see it, just include a workable link and it will go to moderation and I’ll definitely see it.

    Patty’s been sending me all kinds of secret stuff!

    Enjoy the rest of your Saturday!

    Rose

  197. sba1872 Says:

    jrinNC,

    I’m pretty much a lurker, too. I read a lot of comments on a lot of blogs and websites, but rarely comment, except here because, well, as you know, ROSETTA BLOG ROCKS! As far as your comments not being acknowledged, that happens to all of us. I think it’s a combination of timing and the length and depth of the comment. Because of my personal schedule and responsibilities, during the week, I’m usually here late at night. Many times I feel I’m probably talking to myself, but so what? Last night, for example, I was posting links with comments with no expectation of acknowledgment. Your lengthy posts were early this morning and merited serious reading. By the time I could “digest” the information, chances were you wouldn’t be here anymore. Troy posted in the heat of a feud which got everyone’s attention. Your contribution to “us” is valuable to me. Please do not stop commenting. I know you are reading this, jrinNC. If you are up late tonight, I hope to converse with you. Part of the reason why ROSETTA BLOG ROCKS is because you are part of it.

  198. sliderblaze Says:

    what did i miss,

  199. sliderblaze Says:

    geez, apparently a lot, no wonder “dude” was banned by freepers. I judged his character yesterday and choose to ignore him, for good reason.

  200. sba1872 Says:

    slider,

    Don’t know if I got it all either. I was peeking in from work again. I’m going to go back and review, but here are the highlights, I think:

    Some information and then heated discussion about Article II and natural-born citizen. An inappropriate comment by Koyaan. And this from ncinNC:

    jrinNC Says:
    December 13, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    Sorry folks, as my Mama once told me, “I will argue a fencepost.” If I don’t stand up for ME – no one will. That is why I was a contract negotiator for 18 years of my 32 years with the Govt.

    koyaan Says:
    December 13, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    “I wasn’t referring to your gender when I said “dude.” In case you weren’t aware, “dude” does not exclusively refer to a male and in the current vernacular is commonly used for both sexes, and even self-referentially by women. …

    KOY I am not discussing this with you anymore – you don’t warrant my time. But for your information Dude is generally used informally to address a male individual. But the term has evolved to include both genders, I guess it all has to do with which part of the country you come from and then it would be appropriate to say DUDES which includes male and female. Most would say a woman is a dudette.

    ….. I think you’re being just a bit paranoid here.”

    Well look at the pot calling the kettle black – Because you need to evaluate your input here and see how many think you fall into that category.

    Nuf Said!!!

    However, it has become very obvious to me that the input I make here is for the most part ignored. Yet someone else can post the same info and it becomes open for discussion. Recently the info that Troy just posed on I posted early this morning if anyone cared to read and research all the footnotes associated. I just didn’t copy it and put it here in it’s entirety.

    I have been reading from this site for over 2 months and was impressed with the people here. I thought that I also could contribute so I joined. I have not nor will I ever post anywhere else. With that being said, I wish each of you the best.

    Rose – please close my account.

    Also some good Blago-related info and a link to Berg’s “sealed” filing.

  201. sba1872 Says:

    Sorry, typing too fast again. She’s NOT ncinNC. She’s jrinNC. Hi, jr! Come back, friend.

  202. sliderblaze Says:

    foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/13/palins-alaska-church-damaged-suspicious/

  203. sdee Says:

    Leo says he’ll not be appearing on Plains Radio anymore due to something said about Bo’s health. Anyone know what’s up?

  204. sliderblaze Says:

    jrinNC, dude, u have to come back, Koyaan is one of those people who’ll twist words and imply things you didnt mean, like the boy comment. I figured him out yesterday. He seems to be a race, only a true bigot will make that correlation, kinda like the “you people” statement. He seems to one of those people who think that just cus we dont like or didnt vote for “his” boy, we are someone racists. Seems to me the majority of those who wanna thro race and hold on to race, using totally unrelated words as words with racial connotations is the democratic party. It’s really sad, MLK is rolling over in his grave, we all know what party and the majority of our black brothern were during his day, and it aint the DEM one.

    ONe of my favorite quotes ever seems to fight into Koyaans thinking

    “nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity” MLK

  205. sliderblaze Says:

    might be the aids thing or the std thing sdee, but i could be wrong

  206. Chris W Says:

    I think this is what Leo was upset about.

    http://www.plainsradio.com/aids.html

  207. Chris W Says:

    Sorry. I think I messed the link up.

    plainsradio.com/aids.html

  208. sdee Says:

    that would make sense Slider – Leo sticks to the high road.

  209. amy Says:

    sdee.. How do you know he said that?? Just wondering.. He had a falling out with lan also.. I dont know where he will go if he wants to be heard.. Maybe though since his and corts case are dismissed, he just may not want to talk about it anymore..

  210. sba1872 Says:

    Yes, I just went on Plains Radio chat and they say it’s about “the report Ed got last night” about Obama having aids.

  211. amy Says:

    Leo does NOT want to offend Obama in anyway.. That pic of him in front of nazi symbol was too much, so likely a comment that would make him seem a part of it would also anger him.

  212. Troy Says:

    To all the nice people here at RosettaSister:

    I freely admit that I have been hard on KOYAAN and it was for many reasons of which I regret none.

    First of all, I visited other postings by this person from another blog and the garbage that I read from Koyaan didn’t set well with me….Btw, I can assure you all from what I read that koyaan is far beyond being a little angel.

    Secondly, I disapprove of the person in general and his motives for coming to our happy home in the first place….I for one DO NOT go to anti-constitution / pro-Obama sites.
    Why would I ?…..To post comments?…..Does anyone here think it’s possible to go to an opposition site and convince an Obot that they are wrong?….Of course not!!!….The same is true for an Obot to come here to a pro-constitution / anti-Obama site…..They will never sway us and they know it…So why do they come?….For no other reason than to be an antagonist and start trouble!!!!….If a person that I don’t like invites me to their home, am I going to show up?….Of course not….If I was forced to go for some social reason, I damn sure not going to walk in with muddy shoes and soil their home….That’s what koyaan did here….He walked in and soiled our home and was never even invited!!!…To me that is just plain RUDE!!!!…..If I’m being a hard ass then I apoligize, but I am not sorry…..I would never do to a group of Obama supporters who are minding their own business and do what koyaan insist upon doing here…..I simply have no tolerance for people whose intentions are obviously BAD!!!

    Yes, I was and will continue to be hard on koyaan, because I personally don’t want him here antagonizing us and yep, I don’t like his azz.

    I just wanted to everyone to know where I’m coming from.
    I have nothing more to say on the matter for now.

  213. amy Says:

    If Ed didnt SAY it, he cant be responsible for everything anyone else says.

  214. indy500 Says:

    rosettasister Says:
    December 13, 2008 at 10:09 pm:
    ________________________
    I had to drill a bunch of holes in stuff she has made for childrens church tomorrow. This was after she helped me move several loads of wood to the porch and barn. After that, she lit a roaring fire in our fireplace. In between, she was wrapping Christmas presents with Dolly Parton singing “Go Tell It On The Mountain” playing on CD. No idea how I’m so blessed to have such a wonderful woman. I guess a blind squirell finds an acorn every once in a while. Whatever the case, I couldn’t ask for anything more.

  215. amy Says:

    I saw that report too.. I dont believe it was an honest sight.

  216. amy Says:

    oooops..site

  217. Troy Says:

    sdee Says:

    December 13, 2008 at 11:32 pm
    Leo says he’ll not be appearing on Plains Radio anymore due to something said about Bo’s health. Anyone know what’s up?
    ———————————————————-
    Yeah, Ed said that someone had just emailed Obama’s medical records to him and the records said that Obama had AIDS and Herpes….That is what Leo was refering to

  218. amy Says:

    Oh, thats sad.. I wish Ed would not have mentioned it.. the ONLY reason that Leo was on Eds show was for support for his case and to get the word out about the “natural Birth ” requirement.. He has done that.. Sorry that it never swayed the US Supreme Court.

  219. amy Says:

    Someone needs to tell Ed that that “smear site” is just that, a smear.. I saw it.. I can tell you that no one would have access to those medical records..

  220. sdee Says:

    Amy – Leo is about is straight forward as they get and could care less about what any politician thinks of him.

    There is a line Lam crossed and now perhaps Ed.

  221. Chris W Says:

    You can put anyone’s name in this STD list.

    stdcarriers.com/reportastdcarrier.aspx

  222. sliderblaze Says:

    well, i guess joe thunder is the last man standing? lol

    i agree troy, i now koyaans kind, i have a couple of lib friends the same way, wanna be PC when it comes to some like when arguing with me over politics, they wanna take the so called highroad just cus i’m a bomb thrower, and then, ignorant as hell when around a group of others, like their friends who think like them. kinda like what O did when in Pa, then said something totally dif. when in san fran, i can smell them a mile a way

  223. Troy Says:

    Yes indeed….Ed has an alligator mouth that tends to eat his rabbit butt sometimes.

  224. Troy Says:

    I am not ashamed to admit that I have been blasting koyaan for no other reason than to make his coming here unpleasant…Hey, I’m just returning the favor.

  225. amy Says:

    Lets be honest here. i realy admire Leo and all that effort and time he put forth in his and Corts cases, but they are done now, so Leo doesnt need Ed anymore.. We still have Joe, and probably Dr Orly will be on there at times..

  226. ddlew Says:

    OK….What did Plain’s Radio say about Obama’s health that caused him to decide to never be on Plains Radio again?

  227. sba1872 Says:

    That Ed received a “report” that Obama has aids.

  228. amy Says:

    Leo has the highest integrity..

  229. ddlew Says:

    Ed is a dork for even bringing that up in my opinion. He had to know that Leo wouldn’t accept that kind of reporting.

  230. Troy Says:

    From what I hear, a suit in Washington state is gaining some ground…It appears that it is going to be heard….I know, I know that’s not saying much, but at least it didn’t get tossed on grounds of “standing”….sheesh!!!

  231. ddlew Says:

    On second thought……Leo is the baby here.

    Freedom of speech and opinion goes no where with this guy.

    First he kicks Lan Lamphere to the curb because of Lan’s Obama, Hitler picture and then he tosses Ed because Ed reported that he had heard Obama has aids.

    I have changed my mind. LEO IS THE DORK!

  232. sdee Says:

    It still was still a very interesting alignment of fates Lam Leo and Ed

  233. sdee Says:

    Regardless of opinions, the line Ed and Lam crossed do not help the cause.

  234. amy Says:

    I hope I am wrong about this, but I have a feeling that since Leos and Corts cases didnt get beyond review, that NONE of them will, because his was realy upfront and complete.. Like someone with an article in Linda Starrs site said, you have to remember that the justices are people like you and me and have their own ideas and politics… They are NOT above the other 2 branchs of the government. All 3 branches are equal, each with a different focus.

  235. amy Says:

    It will take a judge from a lower court to state that Obama must show his BC, but even then, Obamas lawyers would probably appeal it and take it all the way to the US Supreme Court where it will lose.. This upsets me.

  236. Troy Says:

    you have to remember that the justices are people like you and me and have their own ideas and politics… They are NOT above the other 2 branchs of the government. All 3 branches are equal, each with a different focus.
    ———————————————————–
    I agree, but sadly it is their sworn duty to put politics aside and rule soley on the constitution.

  237. j.b. Says:

    sba1872 Says:

    December 13, 2008 at 11:01 pm
    jrinNC,

    I’m pretty much a lurker, too. I read a lot of comments on a lot of blogs and websites, but rarely comment, except here because, well, as you know, ROSETTA BLOG ROCKS! As far as your comments not being acknowledged, that happens to all of us. ……………..snipped.

    Thank you for your post. That was really nice of you to take the time to point all that out. And I happen to agree.
    Hey, jrinNC, you don’t really wanna leave, do ya?
    Nah, I din’t think so.

    I think koyaan is a pain the ass and deserves to be banned for saying the “N” word. Totally unacceptable, imo. (just in case there’s a vote and I’m not here) 🙂

    Seriously, so what’s up boys and girls? Are we in the Christmas spirit yet? I put a big ‘ol dent in my shopping list today! Yay. I also mailed out 14,000 cookies to Iraq.
    Whew, that was hard.

  238. ddlew Says:

    Someone on “The Right Side of Life (blog)” made an interesting point that there hasn’t been a breach of the Constitution yet and that there won’t be until Congress ratifies the votes. So the Supreme Court, while they may want to step in, can’t until the Constitution has actually been violated. There is still a “CHANCE” that someone on the floor of the House may contest Obama’s eligibility.

    Interesting point I think, but then again, I’m not a lawyer.

  239. Troy Says:

    There is going to come a time when the goods on Obama are leaked and it will be all over the internet and then the MSM will have to pick it up….Obama will be ruled on in the court of public opinion and lastly in a court of law.

  240. amy Says:

    Someone not too far from me won the mega lottery..

  241. j.b. Says:

    I don’t blame
    Leo for leaving Ed. I mean, we are who we hang out with, right? I think Ed’s a weirdo…………In fact I had to fight not judging Leo because he chose to be on Ed’s show!
    Ed crossed the line with his comment about Oblagomama’s health. imo.

  242. Troy Says:

    Congressman John Linder of Geogia might be one to step in and raise an objection.

  243. amy Says:

    ddlew, I emailed my representative and begged him to wtite an electoral vote objection. I reminded him it just takes one rep and one senator to start an investigation.

  244. sba1872 Says:

    I am listening to MommaE and reading Ed Hale chat. Ed’s talking about Leo in the chat. My brain is getting verrrrry confused between my ears and my eyes.

  245. Chris W Says:

    Amy. The mother of one of my employees hit the lottery for 8 million a while back. The son still works here-LOL. I hit 12 Grand on a slot machine 8 years ago. I almost fainted-seriously.

  246. j.b. Says:

    Someone on “The Right Side of Life (blog)” made an interesting point that there hasn’t been a breach of the Constitution yet and that there won’t be until Congress ratifies the votes. So the Supreme Court……..

    Hmmmmm, that’s ineresting.
    Anyone know a good constitutional lawyer they could call? 🙂

  247. amy Says:

    Troy, Yes, I have a feeling Linder may do just that. I hope he is joined by at least one senator.

  248. Troy Says:

    Leo can be somewhat of a baby….All he has to do is openly while on air say that he denounces and disagrees with such notions and then leave it at that.

  249. amy Says:

    Troy, I think Leo is just too exhausted from all his effort and work to think clearly.

  250. Troy Says:

    Hmmmmm, that’s ineresting.
    Anyone know a good constitutional lawyer they could call?
    ———————————————————–
    Edwin Vieira Jr. is the one that I wish would join in on the fight.

  251. Troy Says:

    I urged Leo to seek assistance from Mr. Vieira….I doubt he ever got my message

  252. amy Says:

    Just remember everybody! Its NOT over until its OVER!

  253. Troy Says:

    amy Says:

    December 14, 2008 at 12:21 am
    Someone not too far from me won the mega lottery..
    ———————————————————–
    Do you think they could use a new friend???

  254. Troy Says:

    amy Says:

    December 14, 2008 at 12:30 am
    Just remember everybody! Its NOT over until its OVER!
    ———————————————————–
    It will NEVER be over!!!!!

  255. j.b. Says:

    Yes, I was and will continue to be hard on koyaan, because I personally don’t want him here antagonizing us and yep, I don’t like his azz.

    I just wanted to everyone to know where I’m coming from.
    I have nothing more to say on the matter for now.

    I admire you, Troy, for saying that. I have to admit I LMAO when Rose told K to “behave” then K posted all that stuff from you and said, “Oh, like this”? (you KWIM)
    That. Was. Funny.

  256. Tenacity Says:

    Rose and gang,
    You will notice that try to not engage reactive people. They don’t have to be rude or obscene to be reactive. They only have to disrupt the production of the team and look for anything to react to. This type of person is not manageable. The only way to maintain a “satisfactory work place” is to remove the reactive person. Otherwise the production of the team suffers and some pro-active people will leave. In this case, where I have no authority to remove the reactive, I simply refuse to engage. The reactive, not being able to achieve center stage, goes where they are able to achieve center stage. Rose, you have the power to maintain a satisfactory work place (or blog site). The rest of us can refuse to allow our production (joyfully decisive chat) to be interfered with. My $0.02 worth.

  257. amy Says:

    Maybe the “secret Berg filing” will do the job. (the one filed in the lower court in DC, against Obama, accusing him of fraud.)

  258. j.b. Says:

    Someone not too far from me won the mega lottery..

    Good time of year for that!

  259. amy Says:

    HUH?

  260. Tenacity Says:

    I am confident that the word “I” disappeared from my post after I hit submit comment.

  261. j.b. Says:

    I hit 12 Grand on a slot machine 8 years ago. I almost fainted-seriously.

    Dang, Chris, congrats!

  262. amy Says:

    Yes, I dont know who won it, but the ticket was purchased at Krogers.. Maybe by one of my satisfied patients.. LOL

  263. sba1872 Says:

    Well, I have to say, I asked him last night for information on the secret Berg filing and he gave me the link, no problem, no particular condescension or annoying commentary. In fact, he was quite gracious. For the most part, I will take information from any source (like a link or document). As for opinions, well they are only as good as I judge the source to be.

  264. Chris W Says:

    J.B. I got a loan from my bank to purchase a Toyota Celica about a week before I hit it. I though I would be in the green for ever-LOL. Here I am years later, broke as all hell and in debt to credit card companies. I need a time machine.

  265. amy Says:

    sba, if the filing is sealed, then how can anyone have accss to it and how can it be secret?

  266. Tenacity Says:

    Funny how reactive people are like small children. When they get spanked, they will be good for a few minutes or hours before they test you again. Unlike small children, they never really learn better. That’s why they have to be shown the door.

  267. Tenacity Says:

    amy,
    How did you know that Berg’s other case is based on fraud? Essentially, his first case was based on fraud. How are you differentiating that?

  268. Troy Says:

    I admire you, Troy, for saying that. I have to admit I LMAO when Rose told K to “behave” then K posted all that stuff from you and said, “Oh, like this”? (you KWIM)
    That. Was. Funny.
    ———————————————————–
    Hahaha….Thanks Jb….You just simply have to know me to fully understand me….And remember I’m from Texas, “We don’t take chit from no one”….Lmaoooo

  269. sba1872 Says:

    Amy,

    koy said that it was briefly posted at pacer because Berg didn’t originally file it under seal as he should have. While it was on pacer, a friend got the document. It is currently under seal and unavailable.

  270. j.b. Says:

    Has the ChiTrib link “outting” Rahm, already been posted or talked about today?

    If not, check out Hillbuzz…….good stuff! And I’m a believer.

    December 13, 2008
    Chicago Tribune outs Rahm Emanuel

    hillbuzz.wordpress.com/

  271. Troy Says:

    The HillBuzz gang’s info always sees to be reliable…They did a heck of a job during the election.

  272. sba1872 Says:

    Tenacity,

    Here is the document. It is a particular pleading called “Complaint Pursuant to Federal Claims Act” which gives a citizen the right to file individually and on behalf of the United States of America,

    q-audio.com/berg_complaint.pdf

  273. Troy Says:

    Thanks for the link

  274. j.b. Says:

    The HillBuzz gang’s info always sees to be reliable…They did a heck of a job during the election.

    Yes they did. Did you read the article about ORahma? Juicy!
    They definately seem to know alot about many of the playas.

  275. hockeyfan530 Says:

    another representative trying to pass a bill to make it mandatory to show a bc. This one in OK (reported by AR) the other was OH

    arkansasmatters.com/content/fulltext/news/?cid=165111

    so people are listening

  276. amy Says:

    I got on the US District Court of DC and saw a listing of Bowen vs Obama.. I wonder what that is about. Maybe it was for Obama to show the BC to Bowen. I know Lightfoot vs Bowen is now in the US Supreme Court, but??? This is strange.

  277. Tenacity Says:

    Thanks for the link sba. When is this case scheduled to be heard?

  278. Troy Says:

    j.b. Says:

    December 14, 2008 at 1:06 am
    The HillBuzz gang’s info always sees to be reliable…They did a heck of a job during the election.

    Yes they did. Did you read the article about ORahma? Juicy!
    They definately seem to know alot about many of the playas.
    ————————————————————
    Of corse they do…They are Chicago folk and they seem to be well connected.

  279. Troy Says:

    Indeed!!!….However their efforts are for retroactive reform and will not impact Obama.

  280. sba1872 Says:

    You’re most welcome, Troy, and may I say that I particularly enjoy your Big-As-Texas Attitude. You are definitely one of the many reasons ROSETTA GANG ROCKS!

    Hey, jrinNC, you peeking in? Come say hi.

    Okay. Off to read Hillbuzz, which is always good.

  281. Troy Says:

    amy Says:

    December 14, 2008 at 1:09 am
    I got on the US District Court of DC and saw a listing of Bowen vs Obama.. I wonder what that is about. Maybe it was for Obama to show the BC to Bowen. I know Lightfoot vs Bowen is now in the US Supreme Court, but??? This is strange.
    ———————————————————–
    Amy,
    This is strange indeed….I wonder if it is a different Bowen….If it isn’t then we have ourselves a horse race here folks.

  282. amy Says:

    Ok, It was Cowen, Not Bowen, and it was filed Dec 11.. Hmmmmm, I wonder who Cowen is..

  283. Troy Says:

    sba1872 Says:

    December 14, 2008 at 1:14 am
    You’re most welcome, Troy, and may I say that I particularly enjoy your Big-As-Texas Attitude. You are definitely one of the many reasons ROSETTA GANG ROCKS!
    ———————————————————–
    Oh my!!!!….How very kind of you…You are going to give me an ego problem with compliments like that one….Hehehe

    I feel like you guys are my family and nobody messes with my kin!!!!

  284. amy Says:

    I am going to research Cowen.. BBL

  285. hockeyfan530 Says:

    it appears the constitution party may be getting in on the act too!

    from article:

    This week I see that the Constitution Party (whose candidate for president this year was endorsed by Paul) is “challenging Barack Obama to release his birth certificate.” Take it, national chairman Jim Clymer!

    reason.com/blog/show/130542.html

  286. hockeyfan530 Says:

    independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/12/constitution-party-to-barack-obama-got-birth-certificate/

  287. Troy Says:

    Wooo Hoooo….That is good news….Thanks

  288. hockeyfan530 Says:

    if a third party doesn’t have standing who does!?

  289. j.b. Says:

    amy Says:

    December 14, 2008 at 1:21 am
    I am going to research Cowen.. BBL

    Go, Amy, GO! 🙂

  290. Troy Says:

    Hey everybody….I feel awful that we lost our “jrinNC” commenter on account of koyaan….I am going to go search comment areas of other blogs and try to bring him/her back….Would anyone care to assist in this endeavor?

    If we can get jrinNc to come back, I would then respectfully ask Rose to BLOCK koyaan so that this sort of thing doesn’t happen again.

    I think jrinNC is/was a valuable asset to our efforts here.

  291. Troy Says:

    Does anyone recall jrinNC mentioning any other blogs that he liked?

  292. j.b. Says:

    Pssssst, Troy, he’ll be back, trust me. It’s all good………..

  293. Troy Says:

    j.b. Says:

    December 14, 2008 at 1:37 am
    Pssssst, Troy, he’ll be back, trust me. It’s all good………..
    ———————————————————-
    r u sure?

  294. sba1872 Says:

    Not a big deal, but jrinNC is female. She didn’t care for Koyaan calling her “dude” either. I think she said she doesn’t post anywhere else.

    Is that right, jrinNC? If I misrepresented what you said, come on in and correct me. Yoo, hoo!

  295. jjones Says:

    Ok,
    This is off topic here but I thought was really interesting

    http://rightsoup.com/al-gore-sued-for-fraud-by-30000-scientists/

  296. jjones Says:

    Ok,
    This is off topic but I thought it was very interesting

    rightsoup.com/al-gore-sued-for-fraud-by-30000-scientists/

  297. j.b. Says:

    Thanks, sba. The jr threw me. 🙂 *as I read it jr. Not jr.

    Troy. Yes. It’s all good.

  298. Troy Says:

    jjones Says:

    December 14, 2008 at 1:46 am
    Ok,
    This is off topic but I thought it was very interesting

    rightsoup.com/al-gore-sued-for-fraud-by-30000-scientists/
    ———————————————————–
    It’s not off topic at all actually….Lets not forget, Obama said he would bankrupt any new coal fired power plants that tried to come on-line, because of the carbon emission taxes that he would place on them….It’s just more boneheaded policy that is backed by fraudulent claims.

  299. sba1872 Says:

    jjones says:

    rightsoup.com/al-gore-sued-for-fraud-by-30000-scientists/

    Okay, that was funny. Hmmm. Wonder if he has standing.

  300. Troy Says:

    mmmm….Spotted Owl is delicious!!!!….Lmaoooo

  301. jjones Says:

    the thing I find interesting also is the statement about those that opposed the view of global warming are considered or loon or a wacko of some sort….does that sound familiar?

  302. Troy Says:

    jjones Says:

    December 14, 2008 at 2:00 am
    the thing I find interesting also is the statement about those that opposed the view of global warming are considered or loon or a wacko of some sort….does that sound familiar?
    ———————————————————-
    It’s straight from the left wing playbook.

  303. amy Says:

    Only Cowen I could come up with researching with a link to Obama is Tyler Cowen, a professor of economics and a writer (with a blog also) who writes for New York times and TheNew Republic. He is a Libertarian and he recently criticised Obamas economics plan after Obama told about it on his weekly radio.. Not sure if it is him sueing or not. Didnt come up with any other Cowen with an Obama link.

  304. Troy Says:

    You know, just the other night when it was snowing Rhinos and Elephants here in Houston, Texas, I was thinking, Damned this global warming!!!

  305. sba1872 Says:

    Forgive me if this was posted earlier, but didn’t see it.

    From:

    strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/7392

    (through link provided by therealbarackobama.wordpress.com )

    “The Obama Administration is Now Damaged Goods, Obama Lied to America”

    Yeah Barack, you had nothing but ‘interest’ in who was selected to fill your seat. You were dictating terms and Blagojevich was dictating terms. That is what we call a ‘negotiation’.

  306. amy Says:

    Troy, I once criticised Gores global warming in a leftist room and got called a racist.. lol

  307. Troy Says:

    amy Says:

    December 14, 2008 at 2:06 am
    Only Cowen I could come up with researching with a link to Obama is Tyler Cowen, a professor of economics and a writer (with a blog also) who writes for New York times and TheNew Republic. He is a Libertarian and he recently criticised Obamas economics plan after Obama told about it on his weekly radio.. Not sure if it is him sueing or not. Didnt come up with any other Cowen with an Obama link.
    ——————————————–
    Email Orly Taitz…I’m sure she knows.

  308. amy Says:

    still researching….

  309. Troy Says:

    amy Says:

    December 14, 2008 at 2:08 am
    Troy, I once criticised Gores global warming in a leftist room and got called a racist.. lol
    ———————————————————-
    It’s hard to imagine what kind of human mind associates the freakin weather with race….Is it because Frosty the Snowman is white?….Lmaooo….And if so then wouldn’t it sexist to assume that old Frosty is a male?….Hehehe

    PC = Frosty the Snowperson

  310. Troy Says:

    sba1872 Says:

    December 14, 2008 at 2:08 am
    Forgive me if this was posted earlier, but didn’t see it.

    From:

    strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/7392

    (through link provided by therealbarackobama.wordpress.com )

    “The Obama Administration is Now Damaged Goods, Obama Lied to America”

    Yeah Barack, you had nothing but ‘interest’ in who was selected to fill your seat. You were dictating terms and Blagojevich was dictating terms. That is what we call a ‘negotiation’.
    ———————————————————–
    Was it an Obama supporter that made that statement?

  311. koyaan Says:

    sba1872 wrote:

    Yes, our “Founding Fathers” (duh) lived in a patriarchal society. Neither women nor African Americans had full rights of citizenship at that time. I sometimes think about the African American struggle for freedom and rights and that female AA’s fought as long and as hard as males, but had to wait an additional 50 years for suffrage rights. Most societies were patriarchal. Even today, some of those traditions linger, e.g., women taking their husband’s last name in marriage. But that has absolutely nothing to do with Obama’s eligibility under Article II.

    Not directly, no.

    What I was doing was trying to explore the ramifications of an originalist approach to other aspects of Article II.

    And the use of “he” and “his” is not a disqualification as it is used throughout the document.

    I never argued that the use of “he” and “his” alone constituted a disqualification.

    I only mentioned it in passing to buttress the fact the founders would have had a collective apoplectic fit if it were even suggested that a female hold the office of President.

    Article II does NOT require that the US President be male.

    Not explicitly, no.

    But the idea of a woman holding the office of President would have been considered such an absurdity it would have been just as absurd for them to have bothered to explicitly exclude women. They might just as well have explicitly excluded blacks while they were at it.

    It DOES require that he be natural-born.

    Yes.

    However the Constitution leaves a great deal of ambiguity as to what exactly should be required to meet that qualification.

    To resolve that ambiguity, there are those arguing that it should hinge not on any current thinking on the matter, but rather on what the framers intended it to mean at the time.

    And if that argument is to hold sway, then this brings us back to what I was attempting to explore previously.

    If the intent of the framers was that only a man could hold the office of President, should that intent be respected until such time as the Constitution is amended, or should more modern thinking take precedence over framers’ intents?

    In other words, shall we remain consistent, or shall we pick and choose?

    Apparently, other than Chester Arthur, we have never had this question arise.

    Actually the question arose as recently as this past year regarding John McCain. Not to mention Barry Goldwater back in ’64.

    k

  312. Troy Says:

    Disregard the above question….I finally got a chance to open the link.

  313. sba1872 Says:

    Troy,

    No. That was a quote from AJ Strata, made at his blog.

    strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/about

    Don’t know who he is, but I enjoy the writing style.

  314. koyaan Says:

    Troy wrote:

    Hey everybody….I feel awful that we lost our “jrinNC” commenter on account of koyaan…

    jrinNC’s decision to leave was entirely her own.

    k

  315. Troy Says:

    sba1872 Says:

    December 14, 2008 at 2:28 am
    Troy,

    No. That was a quote from AJ Strata, made at his blog.

    strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/about

    Don’t know who he is, but I enjoy the writing style.
    ———————————————————–
    Yes, I finally got a chance to check it out and also enjoyed it.

  316. sdee Says:

    ….just finished reading new edition of “America Alone” by Mark Steyn. Only put it down once – very interesting read and provides significant perspective for may of the insane things occurring in world politics.

    I’d recommend it if you’ve not already read it

  317. Troy Says:

    sdee Says:

    December 14, 2008 at 2:44 am
    ….just finished reading new edition of “America Alone” by Mark Steyn. Only put it down once – very interesting read and provides significant perspective for may of the insane things occurring in world politics.

    I’d recommend it if you’ve not already read it
    ———————————————————–
    Thanks sdee

  318. koyaan Says:

    Tenacity wrote:

    How did you know that Berg’s other case is based on fraud? Essentially, his first case was based on fraud. How are you differentiating that?

    Basically Berg claims that Obama is not a US citizen. Period. Neither natural born nor naturalized.

    Berg also claims that Obama was aware of this when he ran for his US Senate seat, and that subsequently the salary paid to him by the federal government as a US Senator constitutes fraud under the Federal False Claims Act.

    That’s it in a nutshell.

    k

  319. sba1872 Says:

    koyaan,

    The issue we have been discussing is the term “natural-born citizen” as it is relevant to the 2008 election. The framers, according to Leo Donofrio, who introduced many of us to the topic through his lawsuit alleging that the NJ ballot contained 3 inelligible candidates, used this term specifically in the qualifications for U.S. President. He explains that that term is unique in the Constitution and talks about historical documents with comments by the framers that may reveal their intent. The term is not one to be explained away as one which conflicts with “modern thinking” and therefore to be set aside and when we get the chance, we’ll just modernize that ol’ piece of paper with wikipedia definitions. This is a question for right now. It has relevance right now. It is a serious question. I don’t generally debate for debate’s sake. I did that in school. But if you have a view or specific opinion regarding this particular question, I’d be happy to hear it. I am neither a lawyer nor an historian. I am simply a voter who feels betrayed by the process which allowed at least one clearly ineligible candidate to be placed on the Presidential ballot, Roger Calero.

  320. koyaan Says:

    sba1872 wrote:

    The issue we have been discussing is the term “natural-born citizen” as it is relevant to the 2008 election.

    Yes.

    The framers, according to Leo Donofrio, who introduced many of us to the topic through his lawsuit alleging that the NJ ballot contained 3 inelligible candidates, used this term specifically in the qualifications for U.S. President. He explains that that term is unique in the Constitution and talks about historical documents with comments by the framers that may reveal their intent.

    Yes.

    The term is not one to be explained away as one which conflicts with “modern thinking” and therefore to be set aside and when we get the chance, we’ll just modernize that ol’ piece of paper with wikipedia definitions. This is a question for right now. It has relevance right now. It is a serious question.

    Yes, I understand what you’re saying.

    But what I’m trying to point out is that how this question is resolved also has ramifications that are equally serious.

    k

  321. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    back from the Christmas Party,…. evening everyone

  322. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Nothing is more serious that disregard of the Constitution. Everything else can be fixed. If the Constitution becomes a worthless piece of paper, then this county has no laws. Then exactly how long will be have a republic?

  323. sba1872 Says:

    Koyaan says:

    “Yes, I understand what you’re saying.

    But what I’m trying to point out is that how this question is resolved also has ramifications that are equally serious.”
    ——–
    On this we do agree. The timing is awful. SCOTUS has the poisoned chalice before it and I believe it will wave it away. Maybe if we had the conversation earlier, it would not be so bad, but here we are.

  324. koyaan Says:

    justanamericancindy4 wrote:

    Nothing is more serious that disregard of the Constitution. Everything else can be fixed. If the Constitution becomes a worthless piece of paper, then this county has no laws. Then exactly how long will be have a republic?

    Where have you been? The Constitution’s been shit on for many many decades.

    k

  325. koyaan Says:

    sba1872 wrote:

    On this we do agree. The timing is awful. SCOTUS has the poisoned chalice before it and I believe it will wave it away.

    I’m not sure we do agree.

    What I meant by serious ramifications is that if this is resolved as those such as Donofrio would like it resolved, which I presume is how you would also like to see it resolved, it could set a precedent and open the door for some unintended consequences, such as disqualifying women from being eligible to the office of President (or Vice President for that matter).

    k

  326. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Okkkkkkk that don’t even justify an answer

  327. jjones Says:

    Cindy,
    Koyaan has a point…
    4th amendment… gone..
    10th… don’t even know where to begin, been dead a loooong time

  328. koyaan Says:

    justanamericancindy4 wrote:

    Okkkkkkk that don’t even justify an answer

    Well of course not. It was a rhetorical question.

    But here’s one that isn’t.

    Do you believe that the Constitution had ever been disregarded before the 2008 presidential election?

    k

  329. koyaan Says:

    jjones wrote:

    10th… don’t even know where to begin, been dead a loooong time

    It’s not dead.

    It just got leaner, while the commerce clause loophole got much fatter. 😉

    k

  330. koyaan Says:

    jjones wrote:

    4th amendment… gone..

    Y’ever notice that there was a time when you couldn’t swing a dead cat without hitting some conservative spouting the Ben Franklin quote, “Those who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary security, deserve neither liberty nor safety”?

    Then, after 9/11, it suddenly stopped, and liberals started quoting it.

    Crazy world.

    k

  331. sba1872 Says:

    No, I do not foresee a discussion and resolution of natural-born status requirement resulting in the disqualification of any natural-born female citizen, 35 years of age, at least 14 years a resident, as being eligible for Pres or Vice Pres. The only reason why intent is under discussion is that “natural-born” is a unique qualification. There is a difference between that which was most probably taken for granted at the time of the writing of the Constitution (that women and African Americans could have equal citizenship status to white men) as it was beyond their realm of understanding at the time, and therefore, omitted, and what they specifically provided for, e.g., natural-born. Does that make sense? They made that specific qualification. What did they mean by it?

  332. hockeyfan530 Says:

    k,
    what are you referring to in your last comment about privacy?

  333. hockeyfan530 Says:

    k,
    Let me rephrase the last question.

    what are you referring to in your last comment? Are you referring about privacy?

  334. koyaan Says:

    hockeyfan350 wrote:

    what are you referring to in your last comment? Are you referring about privacy?

    Yes. Fourth Amendment. Specifically the revising of FISA and other legislation which chipped away further at it.

    When liberals complained about it, the same people who had been spouting the Franklin quote prior to 9/11 started defending it with “If you have nothing to hide you don’t have anything to worry about.”

    Like I said, crazy world.

    k

  335. koyaan Says:

    sba1872 wrote:

    The only reason why intent is under discussion is that “natural-born” is a unique qualification.

    No, intent isn’t under discussion because “natural born” is a unique qualification.

    Thirty five years of age is a unique qualification and fourteen years a resident are unique qualifications as well. However intent isn’t under discussion with respect to either of these.

    Intent is under discussion because “natural born” is ill-defined by the Constitution, unlike the other two qualifications.

    And the originalist argument is that until the Constitution is amended, it is to be upheld based on the intent of the framers, and not on any contemporary notions. In other words, “natural born citizen” cannot be defined any other way than was originally intended.

    k

  336. koyaan Says:

    Ugh.

    Second paragraph in my previous post should have read:

    Thirty five years of age and fourteen years a resident are unique qualifications as well. However intent isn’t under discussion with respect to either of these.

    k

  337. sba1872 Says:

    k,

    Not to nitpick, but the term natural-born is a unique qualification in the Constitution as it is mentioned only once in the entire document, and that is under Article II.

    Intent is under discussion not because “natural-born” is “ill-defined” in the Constitution, but because it is undefined in the Constitution.

    By the way, I was with Ben Franklin on FISA. I was glad Obama was, too… until he wasn’t.

  338. jjones Says:

    Koyaan,
    Yes the demise of the 4th has me greatly concerned. I can assure you I am not a liberal yet I do not condone the current practice of warrantless searches or phone taps used on believed terrorist sympathizers here in the US. I believe it is a path that we ought not go down. However, it’s tough problem to solve with no alternative.

  339. Troy Says:

    justanamericancindy4 Says:

    December 14, 2008 at 3:31 am
    Nothing is more serious that disregard of the Constitution. Everything else can be fixed. If the Constitution becomes a worthless piece of paper, then this county has no laws. Then exactly how long will be have a republic?
    ————————————————————
    Cindy,
    Unfortunately I have the answer to your question….I have suspected a political coup ‘de tat has been perpetrated against our country and as it turns out I was correct….What you are about to read should be very alarming….It is the last measure to take place to complete the take over of our country….When this happens all will need to keep their sights true and their powder dry, for a revolution will ensue.

    http//
    www
    worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=83364

  340. koyaan Says:

    sba1872 wrote:

    Not to nitpick, but the term natural-born is a unique qualification in the Constitution as it is mentioned only once in the entire document, and that is under Article II.

    Not to nitpick back, but where else in the Constitution are “age of thirty five years” and “fourteen years a resident”? Huh? Huh? 😉

    Intent is under discussion not because “natural-born” is “ill-defined” in the Constitution, but because it is undefined in the Constitution.

    No, it’s not undefined. We know what it means to be born. And we know generally what a citizen is. It’s just that dangling “natural” qualifier that gums up the works. Hence, ill-defined.

    By the way, I was with Ben Franklin on FISA.

    Coolness!

    Ben was always my favorite founder.

    I was glad Obama was, too… until he wasn’t.

    Yeah. I remember DailyKos ripping him a new one for that vote. 😉

    k

  341. Tenacity Says:

    You know, I enjoy a challenging debate, but I have never found mental masturbation satisfying. It can be like smoking pot, one is only deceived that they are enlightened.

  342. sba1872 Says:

    As far as the age and residency requirements for POTUS, although the specific numbers are not the same, the requirements for eligibility for senator also specify that one must be at least 30, a citizen (does not specify natural-born) of the US for 9 years and inhabitant of the state when elected. The age and residency requirements do not require us to look to intent for definition.

  343. Tenacity Says:

    Has anyone seen Leo’s last post on naturalborncitizen.com? It is a hoot. Leo is an artist and his artistic Mother of ALL Conspiracy Theories is better than the sex change thang.

  344. Tenacity Says:

    Sorry I left out wordpress from Leo’s link. It is http: //naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2008/12/13/the-mother-of-all-conspiracy-theories-obama-has-a-twin/

  345. sba1872 Says:

    Tenacity,

    I think Leo’s MACT is pretty damn good. So far all those calling him rude, arrogant and an egomaniac (this was on the Plains Radio chat today), this shows that while Leo certainly takes his principles seriously, he doesn’t take himself that seriously. I respect him.

  346. Tenacity Says:

    sba,
    Leo is a bit quirky, but he has good reason for being a stickler on certain issues. I once believed he was using the McCain challenge as a straw man, but now believe he is sincere. I definitely respect him. He is constantly looking for new ideas and ways to improve his odds/knowledge/advantage. And yes, this does demonstrate his ability to laugh even at himself.

  347. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Hi Everyone: Anyone here this evening? Had a great day out with the granddaughter and her friend. Seems I missed a lot today!

    Koyaan, I think it is obvious that the framers of the constitution had the intent of protecting our country from a POTUS who had a divided allegiance, such as someone with a dual citizenship or an alternate citizenship might have. I dont’ think that is in the same measure as a woman or a person of color.

    And Everyone: what happened to JRinNC?
    I’ve been trying to catch up on the posts, but too much to read and too little time.

  348. Tenacity Says:

    Hi Patty,
    I think sba is still hanging around. You should see the Leo link just above.

  349. koyaan Says:

    Troy wrote:

    Unfortunately I have the answer to your question….I have suspected a political coup ‘de tat has been perpetrated against our country and as it turns out I was correct….What you are about to read should be very alarming….It is the last measure to take place to complete the take over of our country….

    I’ve seen this story floating around.

    Suspiciously absent from the story has been a list of the 32 states which it is claimed have already passed legislation calling for a Convention.

    Do you know where I might find this list, preferably with the bill numbers for each state?

    By the way, I thought the UN was supposed to have taken over our country back in the 90s? I’m still waiting for the guys in blue helmets to come and escort me to the concentration camp.

    k

  350. Tenacity Says:

    k
    I believe the Con Con list can be found at doctorbulldog.wordpress.com. There is only 26 states listed plus 3 that had supposedly withdrawn their call.

    I have a question for you. What happened to the post that was at http: //koyaan.wordpress.com/2008/10/25/phil-berg-associate-linda-starr-commits-criminal-act-on-bergs-obama-crimes-website/

  351. koyaan Says:

    jjones wrote:

    Yes the demise of the 4th has me greatly concerned. I can assure you I am not a liberal yet I do not condone the current practice of warrantless searches or phone taps used on believed terrorist sympathizers here in the US. I believe it is a path that we ought not go down.

    You can?

    Ok, go ahead. Assure me you’re not a liberal. And you’d better make it good. 😉

    But that’s the crazy thing about it. I mean, opposing it should have been a no-brainer for conservatives. And of course there are some conservatives who are opposed to it. But I found it rather amusing how the big talkers suddenly changed their tune after 9/11.

    k

  352. Troy Says:

    Suspiciously absent from the story has been a list of the 32 states which it is claimed have already passed legislation calling for a Convention.
    ———————————————————–
    If you would have read the article in it’s entirety then you wouldn’t have to ask me to do your research for you….Try to get with the program a little bit better….The answer to your question was right in the article that you partially read.

    DeWeese then listed some of the states whose legislatures already have issued a call: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Delaware, Colorado, Georgia, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah and Wyoming.

  353. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    K–

    I have been posting on here for quite a time now– everyone on here, I believe, would agree that I’ve never had harsh or disagreeable words with anyone who has posted here. Admittedly, I’m tired–I’ve had a long day–and I’ve been out of the loop today. But, I’ve listened to what you have said for the past two days. To my knowledge, you’ve yet to answer my question, and I’ll ask it for the third and final time.

    You came on here at first attacking Pol. I ask you what your c.v. is. I’ve asked you what your experience is that gives you any credence to challenge his research and claims. To my knowledge, you have yet to respond, unless you responded after the new thread was started.

    I don’t mind someone who comes on this site, and brings new information. I defend that. I encourage it. What I don’t like is someone who comes on here and causes constant conflict with everyone else’s posts, and with the community and family here.

    No one on here owes you anything. You’ve made claims, and you’ve challenged what many people on here have said. You have a very condescending, and at times, rude manner.

    Rosies Gang, if I’m wrong, I apologize to everyone. I think this “one” is here to cause chaos and confusion.

  354. Troy Says:

    By the way, I thought the UN was supposed to have taken over our country back in the 90s? I’m still waiting for the guys in blue helmets to come and escort me to the concentration camp.
    ————————————————————
    Here is yet another obvious sign of the dangers of glue sniffing…..Put that stuff away man, it’s eating your braincells.

  355. Tenacity Says:

    Here is a re-post from 2 days ago:

    Tenacity Says:
    December 12, 2008 at 9:57 am

    Okay, quick synopsis of a Constitutional Convention. Obviously, this is precisely how the Constitution was created and the first round of amendments occurred. It requires that the state legislatures issue a call for the convention with a minimum of 2/3 of the states calling. Then the US Congress is constitutionally required to convene a convention. Only one assembly is conducted (not 2 houses as normal). The convention has no ratification power. In other words, the convention produces proposed amendment(s) that must still be ratified by 3/4 of the states before the amendments or new constitution becomes law.

    I believe that the Doctor Bulldog site is referring to a proposed call for convention that was initiated some time ago to force an amendment to require a balanced budget. Several (3) states have subsequently rescinded their call and the 2/3 requirement was never met. Bulldog suggests that the rescissions may be contested if the 2/3 requirement is met. I doubt that would fly. It appears that it would be very difficult for something like a Con Con to fly under the radar. If a Con Con was convened, it will still have to be ratified by 3/4 of the states and a strong majority of the states are conservative. Thus, liberals would have a tough time slipping a more socialistic document through the ratification process.

  356. koyaan Says:

    Tenacity wrote:

    I believe the Con Con list can be found at doctorbulldog.wordpress.com. There is only 26 states listed plus 3 that had supposedly withdrawn their call.

    Found it. Thanks!

    So I take it the underlying message here is that the Convention provision of Article V should have never been included?

    I have a question for you. What happened to the post that was at http: //koyaan.wordpress.com/2008/10/25/phil-berg-associate-linda-starr-commits-criminal-act-on-bergs-obama-crimes-website/

    I’d already answered that over in the other thread, but I’ll repeat it here for those who missed it:

    I removed it because the page on Berg’s site where Linda Starr had said what she did had been scrubbed (rather like the article where Berg claimed that Techdude was one of his experts, even though his assistant publicly stated later–in other words lied–that he never was).

    Basically what Linda Starr had said was that taking up arms against the government of the United States and initiating a civil war was an act of patriotism.

    Specifically she said:

    The judge was wrong and the decision will be overturned by the Supreme Court. Phil has enough proof to order Obama to produce the documents.

    Failure to overturn it will guarantee a Constitutional crisis and ensuing Civil War when patriotic citizens take up arms to prevent the illegal alien, Barack Hussein Obama from remaining on the ballot.

    This is a criminal act under Title 18, Section 2385 of the United States Code, which reads:

    Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government…

    k

  357. Tenacity Says:

    Patty,
    Notice that my question posed above has never been answered.

  358. Troy Says:

    Rosies Gang, if I’m wrong, I apologize to everyone. I think this “one” is here to cause chaos and confusion.
    ———————————————————–
    Patty,
    this fact has already been established and Rosetta is a breath away from banning the infiltrator.

  359. Tenacity Says:

    One thing is for sure, if the SCOTUS, the Justice Department and the Congress all fail to uphold the Constitution, Linda Starr will not be the only one committing a crime.

  360. Troy Says:

    For those of you who would like to know who and what koyaan is, go here and see for yourselves.

    http//
    koyaan.wordpress.com/

    What’s the matter koyaan, is it lonely over there at your blog site?….I’m sure it is….What part of “not wanted here” do you not understand?

    Please find somewhere else to go!!!

  361. Troy Says:

    Tenacity Says:

    December 14, 2008 at 7:27 am
    One thing is for sure, if the SCOTUS, the Justice Department and the Congress all fail to uphold the Constitution, Linda Starr will not be the only one committing a crime.
    ———————————————————–
    You got that right!!!….I also don’t think she is too far off base in predicting a revolt….I for one will do whatever is necessary.

  362. Fernley Girl Says:

    The best thing to do about Koyaan is just scroll past the comment….do not reply. I mostly lurk at several websites, and the style is always the same: agitate and argue. I think Koyaan likes to be the center of attention.

  363. Tenacity Says:

    Troy,
    Keep your powder dry.

  364. Troy Says:

    Always

  365. Tenacity Says:

    Should we list the real criminals…that would be the usurper, his cronies, and all who have aided in the frauds, cover ups and coup. A very long list that should include all that have been negligent in defending the Constitution while under a sworn oath.

  366. Troy Says:

    When it is all said and done they will be exposed and disgraced and their political carreers will be finished…I only wish that it could be sooner rather than later….Make no mistake about it though, the day of reckoning is coming.

  367. Tenacity Says:

    Amen! I’m over and out for the night…manana.

  368. Troy Says:

    G’nite

  369. Tenacity Says:

    If you are still there, did you see that post by another site that had been monitoring the shifts of trolls? It would have been just about mid-night MST or 1:00 Chicago time when this one clocked out.

  370. koyaan Says:

    peppermintpatty777 wrote:

    To my knowledge, you’ve yet to answer my question, and I’ll ask it for the third and final time.

    Ok.

    You came on here at first attacking Pol.

    That’s incorrect.

    I came on here at first and responded to a query rosettasister had made over on Free Republic regarding the “clandestine filing in the D.C. court from Berg.”

    In that post, I mentioned that the reason I was replying to rosettasister over here was because I wasn’t able to post over at Free Republic where she’d queried about Berg’s DC case.

    Then thinkingmom11 asked me why I wasn’t able to post over at Free Republic.

    I explained that it was because they didn’t care for my debunking Polarik’s claims over there regarding the COLB.

    Then jjones asked me to share how I had debunked Polarik’s claims.

    I did, and it went on from there.

    I would have had no particular reason to say anything about Polarik had I not been asked why I wasn’t able to post over at Free Republic.

    So please don’t say I came here at first attacking Polark, because it simply isn’t true.

    I ask you what your c.v. is. I’ve asked you what your experience is that gives you any credence to challenge his research and claims. To my knowledge, you have yet to respond, unless you responded after the new thread was started.

    Actually the new thread had been started before I wrote my first post here. What happened was everyone jumped over to the new thread while I was still writing replies to posts over on the other thread.

    And I did eventually reply to your question over there.

    I said “I’ll give you as much of a c.v. as Polarik has provided:”

    The rest of the post was blank.

    It was my way of saying that Polarik’s c.v. was meaningless. He operates wholly anonymously using a fake name. He can make any claim he wants about himself.

    Here’s the qualifications he gave for himself way back on June 13th when he started a blog at Townhall and wrote his first piece about the COLB:

    I’ve been working with computers, printers, and typewriters for over 20 years, and given a set of printed letters, I can discern what kind of device made them.

    Wow.

    Impressive.

    Interestingly, he makes absolutely no mention of having any particular experience with digital imaging and graphics, which is the basis for all his claims. He can just take a set of printed letters and discern what kind of device made them.

    Again, impressive.

    Of course he’s polished his act since then.

    Now he’s “Dr. Ron Polarik, Ph.D.” And not just one Ph.D. but two (count ’em!) two Ph.D.’s! One in “Instructional Media” and the other in “Experimental Psychology.” Neither of which have anything particularly to do with the real nuts and bolts of digital imaging and graphics.

    And since he’s wholly anonymous, there’s no way to determine if he even has the degrees he claims to have.

    I could make up some c.v. out of thin air and feed it to you, and make it even more impressive sounding than Polarik’s.

    But ultimately you wouldn’t know anything more about me or Polarik than you ever did.

    So what useful purpose would it serve?

    None that I can see.

    However jjones later asked me if I could provide my qualifications, saying he would be willing to take them at face value, indicating that he understood the point I was trying to make previously by not responding with anything.

    So I agreed.

    Here’s my reply to jjones from the other thread:

    Ok, fair ’nuff.

    I have some 25 years of experience with digital graphics and imaging, both bitmap and vector based as well as 2D and 3D CAD. I’m proficient with PhotoShop, Paint Shop Pro, CorelDRAW!, Xara Xtreme Pro, AutoCAD, 3DSMax (formerly 3D Studio), and SolidWorks.

    Here’s a smattering of a variety of stuff I’ve done recently.

    Website for a friend of mine who makes audio transformers:

    http://www.magnequest.us/

    A little something I cobbled together to slam a guy selling cheap counterfeits of my friend’s transformers:

    http://www.q-audio.com/images/lowdive.jpg

    A parody of a feature in Us magazine I did for my niece and her boyfriend:

    http://www.q-audio.com/images/stars.jpg

    Mock up of a retail package design for some other friends of mine:

    http://www.q-audio.com/images/mockup7.jpg

    A simple GIF animation of a SolidWorks-rendered turntable stand for a friend of mine who makes outrageously expensive turntables:

    http://www.q-audio.com/images/redpoint_animation.gif

    An “exploded” view (rendered in SolidWorks) of the turntable base, bearing sleeve, bearing, platter, and platter insert:

    http://www.q-audio.com/images/redpoint_model_d.jpg

    And just for nostalgia’s sake, going back nearly 20 years, a couple of capacitors created in an old DOS version of 3D Studio:

    http://www.q-audio.com/images/cap1.gif

    http://www.q-audio.com/images/cap2.gif

    So there you have it.

    Are you happy now, even though I could easily be making all this stuff up?

    k

  371. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Troy and Tenacity,

    Sorry, I had to get a fire going. It had just about gone out. My husband burned his hand, 2nd and possibly 3rd degree burns, a few hours ago. I’ve doctored it and hopefully he will fine in the morning. He’s resting well now.

    Thanks for answering above. If you notice, k’s deflecting practices are the same as Obama’s: (Obama)bring up unimportant crap and try to replace the important with the unimportant, promise he’s the one with the answers, stir up trouble with everyone around (How many people did O get thrown off the bus so he could drive the bus?), when people disagree with him–stop them with intimidation practices (name calling, etc), divide and conquer, never acknowledge or answer relevant questions (place of birth, birth certificate)

    Think about all the ways that K has done the same.

    And the wheels on the bus go thump, thump, thump,– thump, thump, thump

  372. koyaan Says:

    Tenacity wrote:

    Patty,
    Notice that my question posed above has never been answered.

    It’s been answered.

    Twice.

    Once on the other thread, and once just above your post saying that it has never been answered.

    k

  373. koyaan Says:

    peppermintpatty777 wrote:

    To my knowledge, you’ve yet to answer my question, and I’ll ask it for the third and final time.

    Ok.

    You came on here at first attacking Pol.

    That’s incorrect.

    I came on here at first and responded to a query rosettasister had made over on Free Republic regarding the “clandestine filing in the D.C. court from Berg.”

    In that post, I mentioned that the reason I was replying to rosettasister over here was because I wasn’t able to post over at Free Republic where she’d queried about Berg’s DC case.

    Then thinkingmom11 asked me why I wasn’t able to post over at Free Republic.

    I explained that it was because they didn’t care for my debunking Polarik’s claims over there regarding the COLB.

    Then jjones asked me to share how I had debunked Polarik’s claims.

    I did, and it went on from there.

    I would have had no particular reason to say anything about Polarik had I not been asked why I wasn’t able to post over at Free Republic.

    So please don’t say I came here at first attacking Polark, because it simply isn’t true.

    I ask you what your c.v. is. I’ve asked you what your experience is that gives you any credence to challenge his research and claims. To my knowledge, you have yet to respond, unless you responded after the new thread was started.

    Actually the new thread had been started before I wrote my first post here. What happened was everyone jumped over to the new thread while I was still writing replies to posts over on the other thread.

    And I did eventually reply to your question over there.

    I said “I’ll give you as much of a c.v. as Polarik has provided:”

    The rest of the post was blank.

    It was my way of saying that Polarik’s c.v. was meaningless. He operates wholly anonymously using a fake name. He can make any claim he wants about himself.

    Here’s the qualifications he gave for himself way back on June 13th when he started a blog at Townhall and wrote his first piece about the COLB:

    I’ve been working with computers, printers, and typewriters for over 20 years, and given a set of printed letters, I can discern what kind of device made them.

    Wow.

    Impressive.

    Interestingly, he makes absolutely no mention of having any particular experience with digital imaging and graphics, which is the basis for all his claims. He can just take a set of printed letters and discern what kind of device made them.

    Again, impressive.

    Of course he’s polished his act since then.

    Now he’s “Dr. Ron Polarik, Ph.D.” And not just one Ph.D. but two (count ’em!) two Ph.D.’s! One in “Instructional Media” and the other in “Experimental Psychology.” Neither of which have anything particularly to do with the real nuts and bolts of digital imaging and graphics.

    And since he’s wholly anonymous, there’s no way to determine if he even has the degrees he claims to have.

    I could make up some c.v. out of thin air and feed it to you, and make it even more impressive sounding than Polarik’s.

    But ultimately you wouldn’t know anything more about me or Polarik than you ever did.

    So what useful purpose would it serve?

    None that I can see.

    However jjones later asked me if I could provide my qualifications, saying he would be willing to take them at face value, indicating that he understood the point I was trying to make previously by not responding with anything.

    So I agreed.

    Here’s my reply to jjones from the other thread:

    Ok, fair ’nuff.

    I have some 25 years of experience with digital graphics and imaging, both bitmap and vector based as well as 2D and 3D CAD. I’m proficient with PhotoShop, Paint Shop Pro, CorelDRAW!, Xara Xtreme Pro, AutoCAD, 3DSMax (formerly 3D Studio), and SolidWorks.

    Here’s a smattering of a variety of stuff I’ve done recently.

    Website for a friend of mine who makes audio transformers:

    magnequest.us/

    A little something I cobbled together to slam a guy selling cheap counterfeits of my friend’s transformers:

    q-audio.com/images/lowdive.jpg

    A parody of a feature in Us magazine I did for my niece and her boyfriend:

    q-audio.com/images/stars.jpg

    Mock up of a retail package design for some other friends of mine:

    q-audio.com/images/mockup7.jpg

    A simple GIF animation of a SolidWorks-rendered turntable stand for a friend of mine who makes outrageously expensive turntables:

    q-audio.com/images/redpoint_animation.gif

    An “exploded” view (rendered in SolidWorks) of the turntable base, bearing sleeve, bearing, platter, and platter insert:

    q-audio.com/images/redpoint_model_d.jpg

    And just for nostalgia’s sake, going back nearly 20 years, a couple of capacitors created in an old DOS version of 3D Studio:

    q-audio.com/images/cap1.gif

    q-audio.com/images/cap2.gif

    So there you have it.

    Are you happy now, even though I could easily be making all this stuff up?

    k

  374. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Well, K– To start with, I was happy before. Yes, you could be making it all up.

    We change threads when another is posted, as soon as the new thread goes up…usually a note is posted saying everyone has moved to the new thread, simply because after a certain number of posts, reloading becomes tedious for many people who have slower connections. Usually, those of us who have posted something within the last few posts will copy and paste, with a note saying “reposts” at the top and carry it to the new thread–

    You seem like you feel the need to “challenge” everyone here. Perhaps it’s just your personality or your communication style. You can continue in this manner, but it really doesn’t benefit you if you really want to be heard. While we all enjoy dialogue here, no one enjoys being “challenged for the sake of challenge”– a simple question in this group is usually that– and it’s not someone challenging someone else.

    My question about your qualifications is an honest question. I simply wanted to know if you were a computer graphics specialist, a forensic anthropologists, etc.

    Of course, I could just be saying all of this and none of it be relevant to the dialouge at all—

  375. koyaan Says:

    peppermintpatty777 wrote:

    We change threads when another is posted, as soon as the new thread goes up…usually a note is posted saying everyone has moved to the new thread, simply because after a certain number of posts, reloading becomes tedious for many people who have slower connections. Usually, those of us who have posted something within the last few posts will copy and paste, with a note saying “reposts” at the top and carry it to the new thread–

    Gotcha.

    Thanks for the info!

    You seem like you feel the need to “challenge” everyone here.

    Ok.

    But could you do me the favor of giving me an example of what you’re calling a “challenge”? Do you mean simple disagreement or do you mean something else?

    Perhaps it’s just your personality or your communication style.

    Perhaps. Though without knowing more specifically what you mean by “challenge” I can’t say much more.

    As I had said previously, I’ve been discussing politics and other stuff online for over 25 years. So maybe it’s a “cultural” thing. Most bloggers’ online communications experience seems to be limited to blogs, and I’ve noticed that bloggers seem to be much more defensive and reactionary than those on the old school venues.

    My question about your qualifications is an honest question. I simply wanted to know if you were a computer graphics specialist, a forensic anthropologists, etc.

    I never doubted the sincerity of your question.

    You say you wanted to know. But my point was that you really can’t know even if I were to have answered you the first time.

    Seriously. Can you say now that I’ve answered your question that you really know anything more than before I had answered it?

    I’m not trying to be confrontational here. I’m just trying to be honest and straightforward.

    k

  376. sliderblaze Says:

    Constitution Party Calls For Barack Obama To Prove Eligibility For Office

    Lancaster, PA, The country’s fastest-growing third party (Ballot Access News 12/08) challenged Barack Obama to release his birth certificate and dispel the grave concerns that he is ineligible to assume office as president of the United States.

    notice the Lancaster, pa <——–THATS RIGHT, hometown repn

  377. sliderblaze Says:

    From the L.A. times

    Republican opposition killed a $14-billion auto industry bailout plan in the Senate on Thursday night, putting the future of U.S. automakers in doubt and threatening to deliver another blow to the economy.

    . . . .

    Senate Democrats couldn’t bring the measure up for a vote without the support of at least 10 Republicans. Ultimately, they were seven votes short.

    well, as i counted, there were exactly 10 repub. votes, the msm strikes again.
    Bond (R-MO), Yea
    Brownback (R-KS), Yea
    Collins (R-ME), Yea
    Dole (R-NC), Yea
    Domenici (R-NM), Yea
    Lugar (R-IN), Yea
    Snowe (R-ME), Yea
    Specter (R-PA), Yea
    Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
    Warner (R-VA), Yea

    yep, thats ten, seems to be a journalist these days, math, is not a requirement. dbags

    senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00215

  378. sdee Says:

    looks like Leo’s finally had enough with MSM – he’s responded as only Leo could

  379. amy Says:

    Whose blog is this, anyways? Koyans or Roses?..I think koyan thinks its his.. He comes here to get an audience, and he gets an audience..Enough already! Have a nice Sunday, Rose and everybody.

  380. rosettasister Says:

    Good Sunday morning, people!

    These two posts were stuck in moderation.

    Sorry!

    I have been negligent and will put up new post ASAP.

    As always, if you want to make sure I see something, please include a workable link and it will go to moderation and I’ll definitely see it.

    Rosetta

    —————————

    Chris W Says:
    December 13, 2008 at 11:36 pm

    I think this is what Leo was upset about.

    http://www.plainsradio.com/aids.html

    Fernley Girl Says:
    December 14, 2008 at 7:37 am

    The best thing to do about Koyaan is just scroll past the comment….do not reply. I mostly lurk at several websites, and the style is always the same: agitate and argue. I think Koyaan likes to be the center of attention.

  381. Foxtrot Says:

    Rosetta-

    Did Linda Starr come here and post? I must have missed it! Darn it! So that you would know she was legit, I told her to say “Foxtrot sent her”, which I read she did indeed state to you. But did she post anything and can you email her back to ask her to come?

    p.s. Party is over and it was a big success! Exhausted though!

  382. Foxtrot Says:

    Hello friends– say, at the risk of being whalloped by some of you, I went back and read most of Koyaan’s posts and they are civil. He simply stands firm on what he believes to be true. Do I agree with him? No. However, I love his counter arguments as they make me think more about our cause, and how we can better reinforce and strengthen our own arguments when trying to accomplish our goal of “dethroning” Obama. In all reality, he has been met with alot more hostility and volatility than he has dished out. We have to be objective here. It appears that Rosetta agrees with me as she is not answering the calls to remove Koyaan from this blog. Please don’t hate me for saying these things, but I encourage you all to go back a couple of threads and read our comments directed at Koyaan and his directed at us. We need to keep it civil.

    That being said, as a woman, he should not be calling us “dude”. Not good, Koyaan. Whether you want to stay on our good graces or not, I respectfully ask that you not call the women on this site “dude”. As I said on a previous thread, I don’t mind someone who has an opposing viewpoint to mine, as long as I do my OWN homework and know that I am standing on the side of “good”.

  383. jjones Says:

    I know some may disagree with Koyaan and his/her opinions and “style” of communicating. But I have found that Koyaan’s info on the Polarik analysis interesting. When you think about it, Polarik’s qualifications have not really been determined. Also, we have not seen anyone verify Polarik’s analysis. I would love for Polarik to be correct, but I for one will not rely on one source.
    I do find it interesting tha Loyaan haas been discussing political matters on the internet since 1983 (25yrs). Were you discussing politics on the old Arpa net Koyaan? 😉

  384. Foxtrot Says:

    jjones–glad to see someone else feels as I do. The guy is clearly intelligent and he has some great “food for thought” moments that I can appreciate.

  385. rosettasister Says:

    Foxtrot Says:
    December 14, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    Rosetta-

    Did Linda Starr come here and post? I must have missed it! Darn it! So that you would know she was legit, I told her to say “Foxtrot sent her”, which I read she did indeed state to you. But did she post anything and can you email her back to ask her to come?

    (Good morning Fox! Yes she came and got stuck in moderation.

    And yes I did email her but haven’t checked back yet to see if she replied.

    Hopefully she’ll return.)

    p.s. Party is over and it was a big success! Exhausted though!

    (Congratulations! You’re the hostess with the mostess!)

  386. Foxtrot Says:

    Anybody hear about this? Don’t know if it is true or if you all discussed it over the weekend when I was busy. Let me know. Found in the comment section of Citizen Wells.

    Anonymous said…
    Obama’s lawyers Kirkland and Ellis have submitted a lawsuit saying the Natural Bron Citizen is no legal to today life. That is is discrimation against naturalized citizens. I think that is why it is there to stop naturazized citizens from becoming President. Obama excelled in his studies of Muslim and so I do not want that kind of man as my President. WE are infidels to himl. He has to show us proof he is a natural born citizen of the US. OR he is an imposter and should be be President.

    December 12, 2008 9:31 AM

  387. Foxtrot Says:

    Thanks Rose! I would love to hear from Linda! She seems to have most of the “inside scoop” on the Berg case!

  388. rosettasister Says:

    New Thread:

    https://rosettasister.wordpress.com/2008/12/14/dolley-madison-george-washington-the-tornado-and-the-burning-of-washington-in-1814/

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