“Questions Surround Emanuel In Blagojevich Case” “Emanuel Declines Comment On Whether He Had Conversations With Blagojevich”

by

threestooges-2

“Three Stooges”

http://cbs2chicago.com/governor/blagojevich.rahm.emanuel.2.885663.html

Dec 12, 2008 5:58 am US/Central

EXCERPT

CHICAGO (CBS) ― Questions are mounting about the possible involvement of President-elect Barack Obama’s chief of staff Rahm Emanuel in the scandal engulfing Gov. Rod Blagojevich.

As CBS 2’s Joanie Lum reports, Blagojevich represented the North and Northwest Side’s 5th Congressional District in Washington before he was elected governor and Emanuel took over in 2002.

An examination of the FBI complaint against Blagojevich and the days immediately following Obama’s historic election victory suggests the governor was highly interested in Obama confidante Valerie Jarrett as a potential Senate appointee, albeit with a steep price tag.

The 76-page complaint contains multiple references to “Senate Candidate 1,” whose description clearly fits Jarrett, a former finance chief for Obama’s earlier campaigns and incoming senior White House adviser. Read More

http://cbs2chicago.com/governor/blagojevich.obama.team.2.885654.html

Because of that, the question has thus arisen as to whether Emanuel had any dealings with the governor.

Emanuel did not appear at a news conference Thursday at which President-elect Obama addressed the Blagojevich scandal and announced Tom Daschle as his pick for Health and Human Services secretary.

But a Chicago Sun-Times reporter ran into Emanuel at City Hall, and said Emanuel refused to answer any questions about whether he had conversations with Blagojevich.

Phil Berg Barack Obama Ron Polarik Jeff Schreiber

376 Responses to ““Questions Surround Emanuel In Blagojevich Case” “Emanuel Declines Comment On Whether He Had Conversations With Blagojevich””

  1. jjones Says:

    FIRST !!!!

  2. sliderblaze Says:

    crap

  3. ddlew Says:

    “LawDawg” just posted that Cort’s case was denied without comment, over on Jeff’s blog.

    Guess we will have to wait for the next case……..

  4. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Repost from other thread
    __________
    Looks like Bush is going against what he believes and trying to put fingers in the dike to slow down the falling of the big 3.
    It must be he77 up on the hill right now,…….. no decision is completely right, and just trying to keep the country from going further down hill.

    White House Press Secretary Dana Perino said in a statement it would be “irresponsible” to let the companies crash. So she said Bush will “consider other options,”

  5. sliderblaze Says:

    SCOTUS = Pu$$YS

  6. jjones Says:

    dd,
    I think that is the guy who posted about leo’s case being denied very early on as well… maybe he has an inside at the SCOTUS?

  7. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    well it looks like the Electorials will be voting Monday

  8. jjones Says:

    So, what case is next for the SCOTUS?

  9. sliderblaze Says:

    UAW wasnt willing to make there wages competitive. I hate unions. seems the average worker there makes 150k per year and the average at the toyota and honda make about 80K per year, thats a big freakn difference

  10. Troy Says:

    JJ Jr. = Guilty
    R. E. = Guilty
    B. O. = Guilty

  11. Troy Says:

    jjones Says:

    December 12, 2008 at 4:30 pm
    So, what case is next for the SCOTUS?

    ——————–
    Berg’s

  12. ddlew Says:

    jj,

    I think your right. LawDawg has a private, post by invitation only blog, so he probably IS Jeff’s “inside” person at SCOTUS.

  13. jjones Says:

    Can we not refer to jesse jackson jr. as JJ… kinda makes my skin crawl 🙂

  14. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    I know Orly has submitted one,…her other is still in California courts

  15. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    I know in the press conference Burg said he has a sealed case going on or waiting to be filed…. they aren’t giving much info on it yet…. Linda Star also spoke of this

  16. Troy Says:

    JJ Jr. = Kid Dyn-o-Mite

  17. ddlew Says:

    I just don’t know anymore. Looks like we are just gonna have to weather this term out.

  18. jjones Says:

    dd,
    I’m afraid you are correct

  19. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    my father was retired GM, (factory) he worked there for over 30 years right after the Navy. many of my family did

    But they did it to themselves….. when a car payment is almost as much as a house payment something has to give.

  20. sliderblaze Says:

    COLIN POWELL UNLEASHED: ‘Can we continue to listen to Rush Limbaugh?’

    Wait, isnt this the guy at the UN making the case for WMD’s and that lil vial of anthrax……lol he gets the dbag award for the day

  21. Troy Says:

    Emanuel is soon to be busted for corruption…He was speaking on behalf of Obama (messenger boy)….This is the equivalent of Obamaggot voting “present” and he will get a free ride.

  22. sliderblaze Says:

    they came out on the FBN, and said that GM and Honda sold the same amount of car/units for the year, GM lost 17 billion and honda made 7 billion, i mean holy crap GM, get it together, how about, stop contributing to campaign for starters….

  23. Troy Says:

    We all know that the Colin “Colon” Powell is connected to the rectum Obama.

  24. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    slider

    they might of sold just as many… but just a guess I bet many were repo’d

  25. jjones Says:

    Rush has really gone off on Powell, I’m sure it was just his response to that

  26. sliderblaze Says:

    lol, nice, i guess one cant get to the “colon” without first going through that big O

  27. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    I will hold on hope that SOMETHING will come back and bite Bam Bam on the a$$ before Jan 20th.

  28. sliderblaze Says:

    GM business model sucks, it’s like SS, at first its good, but when you have more people collecting retirement than what the can sell/produce, you have problems

  29. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    slider

    lol.. that was very visual

  30. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    reposting from previous page:

    I’m not attacking BO or anyone else for smoking– I disagree DD, the White House houses national treasures, and cigarette smoke can ruin them. He can smoke in certain areas, such as the residential area of the WH.

    My point is that he lies — why not just say, “yes, I said I was quitting, I couldn’t–don’t want to–never intended to– whatever— it was my plan to do it but I didn’t”—instead, he hedges

    He always hedges what he says unless it’s scripted. That’s my point. I’m not against people having the right to smoke, in the appropriate places.

  31. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Slider

    you forgot anything around the big O has a certain smell 🙂

  32. Troy Says:

    The “Big Three” getting boned by their annual $150K semi-illiterate UAW employees is the equivalent of Fannie and Freddie getting boned by the poor ACORNS.

    The Big Three should move all manufacturing facilities to Mexico and teach the UAW a little lesson in business management.

  33. Troy Says:

    He can smoke in certain areas, such as the residential area of the WH.
    ———————————————————–
    Or he can just go out in public and blow his smoke up everyone’s ass.

  34. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Unions were a good thing,….. set up to watchdog the rights of emplyees.. but they have became a business who watchdog for themselves.

  35. sliderblaze Says:

    justanamericancindy4 Says:
    December 12, 2008 at 4:46 pm

    slider

    lol.. that was very visual

    i do what i can

  36. jjones Says:

    Update from Donofio’s site

    [UPDATE]: 11:26 AM – Dec. 12 2008 : Rumors of a decision denying Cort’s application are unequivocally false. A SCOTUS Spokesperson just told Cort Wrotnowski there has been no decision. She indicated there will be no decision until Monday. The conference is sealed, no clerks are allowed in.]

  37. koyaan Says:

    Sorry for posting off topic, but I can’t post on Free Republic and I don’t have an EMail address for Rosettasister.

    In response to a query over on Free Republic about the “clandestine filing in the D.C. court from Berg,” it’s not exactly what you’d call “clandestine.” Because of the nature of the suit, it is under seal. Which means that Berg can’t talk about it and you can’t access it via PACER or other sources of court documents.

    However in spite of that, I just happen to have the full PDF of Berg’s filing which has all the gory details.

    Here’s a little sneak peek:

    Berg’s filing in the Washington, DC District Court

    Do I hear any bids? 😉

    k

  38. sliderblaze Says:

    well jj, decent news indeed

  39. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    The WH is cleaned constantly…. other Presidents smoked…. many smoked pipes…… until it became PC not too ..

    PC is when the rights of the many started getting stomped on by the few..
    Seat belts are not constitutional,…… I see the laws for children under 18… but adults no,…….. fact seat belts might safe serious injury in small collisions but it 50/50 in major accidents… many have damaged their hearts, lungs and liver wearing seat belts

    So my opinion is seat belts should be encouraged by not a law for adults

  40. jjones Says:

    slider…
    I do what I can.. 😉

  41. sliderblaze Says:

    one thing on that bailout, GOP has it right, they are trying to structure this as if it were a bankruptcy filing, they need to convey that message loud and clear

  42. koyaan Says:

    Oh, by the way, the suit has nothing to do with Article II or the office of President. Rather it has to do with Obama having been a United States Senator.

    k

  43. ddlew Says:

    Yep. That was the first response that one of my posts on Leo’s site received and it was an “edit & snip” of my original post about “LawDawg.”

    Maybe there is still hope!

    🙂

  44. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    geez forgive the typo disease in that last post

  45. Troy Says:

    Unions are an invention of the communist party…They started off as a means of fighting greedy powerful businesmen…Then they became too powerful and greedy themselves and like the ones they set out fight against, they are now the problem.

  46. sliderblaze Says:

    amen to that troy

  47. jjones Says:

    Troy,
    you are very correct in that… I personaly believe that not only are unions wrong, they should be illegal.

  48. thinkingmom11 Says:

    The Big Three should go into bankruptcy which will allow them to restructure everything – repayments, union contracts, supplier contracts, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, their internal management structure. These guys have a LOT of dead weight that they can’t lose because of Union rules.
    They should play hardball. Say these are your options:
    1. We go completely out of business leaving EVERY employee without a job.
    2. Immediate renegotiaion of all Union Contracts including benefits packages, pay structure, management rules. Expect lower pay, easier firing procedures, lower benfits etc. If you are unwilling to accept these inevitabilities, see option 1.
    3. We pack up and move to Mexico leaving EVERY employee without a job.
    4. We go non-union, pay competitive wages (see Toyota), offer affordable benefits (with add-ons available – if you want more you can pay for it), plenty of bonuses for good workers (from the bottom to the top – not just the top), completly restructure the management scheme – redifineing responsibilities, streamlining procedures and demanding performance. Going non-union makes it easier to get rid of unproductive employees and poor managers, as well as making it easier to reward the opposite. If this is unattractive, see option 2. Don’t like that one? See number 1.

  49. Troy Says:

    If we had honest, fair and ethical businessmen there would not be unions, but unfortunately the greedy bastards brought it upon themselves.

  50. rosettasister Says:

    You may want to look at these above:

    koyaan Says:
    December 12, 2008 at 4:59 pm

    koyaan Says:
    December 12, 2008 at 5:03 pm

    Thanks, koyaan!

  51. thinkingmom11 Says:

    koyaan – why can’t you post at Free Republic?

  52. Troy Says:

    koyaan Says:

    December 12, 2008 at 5:03 pm
    Oh, by the way, the suit has nothing to do with Article II or the office of President. Rather it has to do with Obama having been a United States Senator.

    k
    ————————————————————
    Have you been sniffing glue for the past month?

  53. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Federal False Claims Act….hmmmmm

  54. jjones Says:

    Troy, I think he’s referring to the new case… not much info from his above link

  55. jjones Says:

    Maybe the forged COLB and/or forged Selective service registration?

  56. Troy Says:

    jjones Says:

    December 12, 2008 at 5:15 pm
    Troy, I think he’s referring to the new case… not much info from his above link

    ———————————————————-
    Yeah, I scrolled up further and saw the first post.

  57. Troy Says:

    Hopefully he is going after FactCheck.org

  58. rosettasister Says:

    “Was an Obama Team Member on Blagojevich’s Conference Call?”

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,465891,00.html

  59. sliderblaze Says:

    lol, rush dissed COLON,

  60. Troy Says:

    I forget, did Colon “Enema” Powell even get anything from Obamaggot for being a traitor?

  61. sliderblaze Says:

    youtube.com/watch?v=fK631vOJ9LY <—we all remember this

    lol, rush has a song on right now, barney frank “banking queen” to dancing queen….killing me…..

  62. sliderblaze Says:

    yes, a Colonobamascapy

  63. sliderblaze Says:

    i dont think he did, i guess you can say Colon got the shaft…..lol

  64. jjones Says:

    Slider,
    Have you heard, “she’s always a bitchin at me” yet ? pretty funny as well

  65. Troy Says:

    Ewwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  66. koyaan Says:

    thinkingmom11 wrote:

    koyaan – why can’t you post at Free Republic?

    Because I dared to debunk the claims made by Polarik regarding the COLB issue.

    I went through three accounts over there.

    Initially the moderators didn’t have any problems with what I had posted. But apparently Polarik’s supporters whined and cried to the moderators and each account was eventually terminated.

    k

  67. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    koyaan

    thanks 🙂

  68. Troy Says:

    are you looking for sympathy at this blog?

  69. jjones Says:

    Koyaan,
    You’ve piqued my interest… care to share how you’ve “debunked” Polarik ?

  70. sliderblaze Says:

    no jj i havent

  71. jjones Says:

    Slider,
    It’s a Bill Clinton impersonator singing “she’s always a bitching at me” to the the tune of “She’s always a woman to me” pretty friggin funny
    I haven’t been able to locate a link for it yet

  72. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    koyann

    My opinoin,…… Polarik did a good job with what he had to work with….

    Until orginal documents are produced and in the hands of Professional document experts……Until then almost everything is theory… even though some things are d$mn good theory

  73. Troy Says:

    If Polarik had one iota of doubt about his findings he wouldn’t be setting himself up for liable….Also I don’t think he would be willing and ready to testify in court under oath.

  74. jjones Says:

    Of course, we better not let Fox hear it… might get her a little miffed

  75. j.b. Says:

    72nd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

    Well, with the news of Cort’s court case, I guess it’s time for Berg to pull out his super- secret decoder ring of a lawsuit! Right?

    You go Phillip Berg, witchor fine self!

  76. jjones Says:

    I’m still waiting for Koyaan to post his “debunking” I hope he does so very well sourced and qualified, he might be in for a bit of a fight on this site

  77. sliderblaze Says:

    ii agree troy, the colb creates more questions than answers

  78. jjones Says:

    J.B.
    Corts case is still alive. It was a rumor that it was dismissed… check Leo’s site

  79. Troy Says:

    This is what needs to happen….Berg needs to file a suit against all the sites that posted BO’s phony COLB on his behalf….As the guilty verdict becomes imminent the participants will all start pointing toward Barky as their source of the fraud doc.

  80. sliderblaze Says:

    Rush givn it to them today….wohoooo, now thats a rant

  81. sliderblaze Says:

    I agree Troy, Berg may be onto something there

  82. Troy Says:

    There is always more than one way to skin a cat.

  83. koyaan Says:

    jjones wrote:

    Koyaan,
    You’ve piqued my interest… care to share how you’ve “debunked” Polarik

    Sure. Which of his claims would you like me to start with?

    k

  84. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    someone need to file a suit to make MO get her ugly fixed

    lol…… ohhhhhh that was just wrong *giggle*

  85. koyaan Says:

    justanamericancindy4 wrote:

    koyann

    My opinoin,…… Polarik did a good job with what he had to work with….

    Well, let me just say that we don’t share that opinion. 😉

    k

  86. sliderblaze Says:

    how about the halo’s around the letters, i’m an artist and use layers and i kno what he’s talking about the halo’s, when we need to fix it, we do stuff like that pixel by pixel.

  87. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    starting to wonder if I am smelling troll feet

  88. jjones Says:

    Has anyone considered this…..
    1) Many people have some sever questions as to whether BO is qualified to be the POTUS and Commander in Cheif.
    2) Of these Many people, how many do you think in the military have the same serious doubts?
    3) Of those in the Military, how many of those are in hight ranking positions that may feel that it is their sworn obligation to defend the constitution.
    4)If some of those that actually take action, can you imagine the nightmare that will cause?

    Of course, this is all tin-foil hat stuff, but not out of the realm of possibilities

  89. sliderblaze Says:

    justanamericancindy4 Says:
    December 12, 2008 at 5:51 pm

    someone need to file a suit to make MO get her ugly fixed

    lol…… ohhhhhh that was just wrong *giggle*

    haha

  90. Troy Says:

    koyaan, don’t start your crap here….it won’t be heard!!!!

  91. j.b. Says:

    t on the FBN, and said that GM and Honda sold the same amount of car/units for the year, GM lost 17 billion and honda made 7 billion, i mean holy crap GM, get it together, how about, stop contributing to campaign for starters….

    Or how about stopping those ridiculous JOB BANKS!? I had no idea anything like this existed! I mean,
    get paid 90% of your wages for NOT WORKING!?!

    Assinine.

  92. j.b. Says:

    J.B.
    Corts case is still alive. It was a rumor that it was dismissed… check Leo’s site

    *Sigh…….* Thank you. That happened last time, too!
    Bastids.

  93. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    jj

    I am to the understand that reservist are working on submitting a case; because they can be called active at any time

    active military has a problem, the being the same as goverment property thing

  94. sliderblaze Says:

    J.b. there are 700,000 former workers collecting and getting benefits, what ever happened to a 401K?

  95. Troy Says:

    Or how about stopping those ridiculous JOB BANKS!? I had no idea anything like this existed! I mean,
    get paid 90% of your wages for NOT WORKING!?!
    Assinine.
    ———————————————————–
    It’s called Union terrorism…..Unions = ACORN

  96. jjones Says:

    Cindy,
    I’ve said this before, and I will say it again. There are some(most) in the military that take the oath they swore to defend the constitution VERY seriously. I know I did when I took my oath. I still feel that way to this day even though I’ve been out since ’88

  97. Troy Says:

    All the little ACORNs think they are going to become mighty oaks under Obama….Just wait until they find out they will only become fire wood.

  98. sliderblaze Says:

    Troy Says:
    December 12, 2008 at 5:53 pm

    koyaan, don’t start your crap here….it won’t be heard!!!!

    agreed, we already had some dbag here earlier as i’m sure you’ve all read, sorry but i couldnt help myself this morning.

    If dude “Polarik” wanted to be anonymous, id have a problem with it, but if he is willing to testify, he gets me vote of confidence anyday.

  99. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    jj

    on the same train of thought,… bam bam being Commander in Cheif and found not to be qualified………..makes any order carried out by the military war crimes

  100. j.b. Says:

    TE]: 11:26 AM – Dec. 12 2008 : Rumors of a decision denying Cort’s application are unequivocally false. A SCOTUS Spokesperson just told Cort Wrotnowski there has been no decision. She indicated there will be no decision until Monday. The conference is sealed, no clerks are allowed in.]

    MONDAY!ugh…..

    Dang you guys ar talking fast………I can hardly keep up. Actually I can’t!

  101. jjones Says:

    Slider,
    Nah, I think it would be fun to have some script kiddie try to debunk Polarik on this site… he wouldn’t stand a chance 🙂

  102. koyaan Says:

    Troy wrote:

    If Polarik had one iota of doubt about his findings he wouldn’t be setting himself up for liable….

    You mean libel.

    But he would have little to worry about in that regard. Politicians and other public figures can’t sue for libel in the same way that private citizens can. Which is why you seldom ever see politicians suing for libel.

    If you’re a private citizen, all you have to do is prove simple libel (i.e. that the claims were false). If you’re a politician or public figure, you also have to prove malice. Not an easy thing to do.

    Also I don’t think he would be willing and ready to testify in court under oath.

    That’s easy enough for him to say given that his chances of ever being called to testify in court under oath are virtually nil.

    k

  103. sliderblaze Says:

    breitbart.com/article.php?id=D951AD480&show_article=1

  104. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    jj

    so maybe you can explain it better why active Military can’t file their own suit? …. they are gathering Reservist and retires instead

  105. Foxtrot Says:

    Hello everyone! Got done a little earlier than expected. I see civility has prevailed once again!

  106. Troy Says:

    It didn’t take much to see that the COLB was a hodge-podge of about three different COLB’s all meshed together.

  107. jjones Says:

    Cindy,
    Carrying that thought further….
    Any bill, law or executive order will be nullified if he is found out to be inelligible after he’s been in office a while…Can you imagine the nightmare this will cause trying to clean up the mess?

  108. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Koy – do you think the Certification of Live Birth posted was,/i> authentic (meaning based on true facts, not a created or altered image) or do you just have a problem with what polarik says? What is your take on the COLB?

  109. thinkingmom11 Says:

    oops sorry for the HTML screwup…

  110. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    jj

    I was just speaking about the military alone……

    yes,.everything said or done by this illegal would be choas

  111. Foxtrot Says:

    You guys can’t ask someone to explain what they think or feel, then crucify them for the very thoughts you just asked them for! I believe JJ asked Koyaan to explain his theories about Polarik. You or I don’t have to agree with them, but since he was asked by one of our regulars, I am willing to give the guy/gal a chance to do just that.

    We have to be careful here. We accuse the Obamanuts of having blinders on to other theories, so we cannot become hypocrits and do the same thing on this blog. As long as someone is civil and respectful, let them have their say!

  112. Troy Says:

    But he would have little to worry about in that regard. Politicians and other public figures can’t sue for libel in the same way that private citizens can. Which is why you seldom ever see politicians suing for libel.
    ———————————————————–
    Last time I checked FactCheck.org isn’t a politician.

  113. sliderblaze Says:

    Koyaan, i’m sure you’ll find there are three things that need to be proved for libel and if polarik was lying, all three would be easily proved by obama.

    second, they last statement is weak as hell.

  114. jjones Says:

    Cindy,
    the military one scares me the most, because some might actually do something to stop it… but the rest is horendous as well.

  115. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    yooooo foxy 🙂

    maybe not,….. have a slight smell of troll feet in here…… we are waiting to see if the rest of the body is or not

  116. rosettasister Says:

    Well, this is way off topic, but that never stopped us before!

    How much do you loathe Chris Matthews?!

    https://www.frontpagemag.com/blog/Read.aspx?guid=9728ac81-a123-4ae5-83d6-63f1d17087c6

    “Liar in Chief”

    In a column on liar in chief Bill Ayers,

    http://www.thenation.com/blogs/anotherthing/388681/print

    the Nation’s Katha Pollitt gets it almost right. Ayers lies when he pretends that the WeatherUnderground was created after the Townhouse explosion in which three bomb-makers were killed. The three dead criminals were part of the terrorist organization that Ayers and his wife Bernardine Dohrn founded and were intent on blowing up a dance at Fort Dix (something Peter Collier and I first reported in our Rolling Stone piece on the organization). You can read that piece — still the definitive history of the WeatherUnderground in Destructive Generation.

    She is right that Ayers lies when he says he didn’t intend to hurt anyone and that the acts were just symbolic. And so forth.

    Good for her. Of course she’s only concerned by the damage Ayers’ bad publicity has done to the anti-American left of which she is a charter member. What she fails to point out — and everyone seems to have missed — was that the terrorism Billy Ayers sponsored was not a Vietnam War protest (not that that would justify it). Ayers and Dorhn were still underground, still bombing in 1977 when Jimmy Carter was president. That’s because they weren’t anti-Vietnam protesters (the war was over for two years by then and America’s pullout was four years in the past). What they were about — what they said they were about — was starting a race war in America (that’s why they loved Charlie Manson because he was about starting a race war too).

    Ron Radosh has been carrying on a one man campaign to set the record straight on Ayers. In his latest blog he takes on the latest Ayers panderer, Chris Matthews.

    http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh/2008/12/11/shame-on-christ-matthews/

    Oh, and here’s more on Ayers’ lovely wife, Bernardine Dohrn.

    https://rosettasister.wordpress.com/2008/10/09/%E2%80%98lay-dohrn-lay%E2%80%99-lay-with-your-man-a-while/

  117. Foxtrot Says:

    Hi JAC! Remember, just because someone has a differing opinion than ours, doesn’t mean they are a troll!

  118. Troy Says:

    When someone comes here just to spew opinions and give a single bit of evidence to back themselves, I will crucify them till the cows come home!!!

  119. jjones Says:

    Fox,
    We’ve been trying to goad him into a debate, but he hasn’t responded yet…possibly we scared him off?

  120. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Chris Matthews

    swell kind of guy,…. going to run for senator I heard….
    grabbing one of rose’s barf bags

  121. jjones Says:

    Looks like the API chat has been shut down now…

  122. sliderblaze Says:

    Also I don’t think he would be willing and ready to testify in court under oath.

    That’s easy enough for him to say given that his chances of ever being called to testify in court under oath are virtually nil.

    when i see a weak arguement like that as a way to discredit someone, i smell troll. Thats questioning someone’s integrity without even knowing them, that wreaks of partisonship

  123. Troy Says:

    Looks like the API chat has been shut down now…
    ———————————————————-
    It blows my mind that anyone still visits there.

  124. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Fox

    I know,……… but this one came in baiting everybody…. so like I said I’m just kind of waiting to see what he/she says

  125. jjones Says:

    Nah, I have fun there…I have no belief that there is or ever was any tape, just like debating with the obamatrolls

  126. Foxtrot Says:

    Troy, although I know we ‘regulars’ here pride ourselves on giving information and backing it up, we also dish out a fair amount of ‘opinion’ or ‘feelings’ on issues or people. All I am saying is, I don’t mind someone with an opinion that differs from mine, it makes it interesting. However, if they act disrespectful in conveying that opinion/feeling, then they should leave.

    We have nothing to be afraid of with a different opinion than ours, whether they back it up or not. We are all smart because, remember, the ROSETTA GANG ROCKS, and we have done our own homework. Therefore, nothing anyone says, that we know from our own research is NOT true, will matter. I welcome all opinions, even if they do not reflect my own.

  127. thinkingmom11 Says:

    I actually agree with fox – let Koy have his/her say. so far they haven’t called names or been disagreeable. I have no problem listening to other opinions. If we don’t agree we can Respectfully disagree. If Koy doesn’t like it here because he/she isn’t changing minds fine he/she may go somewhere else to play. But let’s give it a chance and hear what Koy has to say…in the spirit of Al, let’s see how it goes.

    BTW Koy – it isn’t nice to correct spelling errors (or word usage errors) when you can tell what the person. It comes across as condescending 🙂

  128. Foxtrot Says:

    There must be only 5 people still on any API site. I wonder what happened to “cloud”? Hehe!

  129. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Troy

    lol…. I can’t resist. i peek in every couple of days to see what the new drama is over at API….. todays post was all about preening himself, how he became a name known BECAUSE of the trouble makers

  130. j.b. Says:

    Welcome, Koyaan. What is it you’d like to share here?
    Please pardon the initial trepidation. Sometimes visitors make us suspicious. Please share with us what you feel comfortable with from that PDF OF BERG’S secondary or tertiary lawsuit.
    Thank you.
    🙂

  131. jjones Says:

    I agree with Fox,
    I just was looking forward to a lively debate on the subject he posed…

  132. Troy Says:

    when i see a weak arguement like that as a way to discredit someone, i smell troll. Thats questioning someone’s integrity without even knowing them, that wreaks of partisonship
    ————————————————————
    He/she is a punk ass twirp that got tossed from FreeRepublic for a good reason, has nowhere to go and is looking for a new home here….I hope Rose will put out a “No Vacancy” sign.
    If someone wants to back up claims with proof then fine, as Obama would say, “I’m all ears”!!!

  133. sliderblaze Says:

    FOX tis true, however, i dont wanna waste anymore time “debating” people who are undebatable.

  134. j.b. Says:

    Welcome, Koyaan. What is it you’d like to share here?
    Please pardon the initial trepidation. Sometimes visitors make us suspicious. Please share with us what you feel comfortable with from that PDF OF BERG’S secondary or tertiary lawsuit.
    Thank you.
    🙂

  135. sliderblaze Says:

    He/she is a punk ass twirp that got tossed from FreeRepublic for a good reason, has nowhere to go and is looking for a new home here….I hope Rose will put out a “No Vacancy” sign.
    If someone wants to back up claims with proof then fine, as Obama would say, “I’m all ears”!!!

    agreed, he should just make his own blog, post his “goods” and let people read it for themselves, that usually what people who have substance do, or at least have another blog post it.

  136. jjones Says:

    Well, no matter, doesn’t look like he wants to come out and play anyway

  137. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Fox

    Cloud is helping Bo with his luggage …lol… was always suspicious of her,…. liked to play dumb too much and not very well

  138. sliderblaze Says:

    youtube.com/watch?v=nM_A4Skusro&feature=related

    of course you should all see the metaphor in this clip to the chicago situations

  139. j.b. Says:

    Uh -oh, the alarm has gone off in the new visitor center in the U.S. Capitol. I guess Harry Reid suspected some lowly visitor forgot to shower.

  140. Foxtrot Says:

    But Slider, the same could be said about us?!?! We have firm opinions on what we believe as does Koyaan ( I assume). There has never been any harm that has come out of a good, civil debate. Who knows, we may even learn something?

    As an example, when I ran campaigns for a living, and my candidate won, my number one piece of advice before they went to Washington was to select a diverse staff. If you were a Liberal Democrat, don’t creat a staff made up entirely of Liberals. Likewise if they were a moderate. The reason being, you can always tell the new Senators or Congressman who do this because they get in trouble alot more and put their feet in their mouths more frequently. Why? Because when they present an idea or propose a bill to their staff made up of “like minded” people, there is no one to act as the tether to what other segments might feel about it. Everyone would simply say “great idea” because they all thought alike on issues. By having more diverse opinions, it gives you a view, from many different angles to an issue, and makes you a better Congressman/Senator who can serve all of his/her constituents better.

    I know this was long, but I hope worth it.

  141. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    that is why even though I have met some good people on my blog travels… I never give out Rose’s blog….. I would love to
    But also worry about inviting unwelcome guest, we have a nice home here and I don’t want it trashed……or my family mistreated

  142. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    I agree–let Koy have his/her say and then either we roast him or we let him roost– aye, aye mates? (just kidding, about the roasting part–sounded good though didn’t it?)

    Glad to see you back Foxy–I think the natives are getting restless 🙂

    Hi Mom–so how was the trip to the woodshed? How are your babies? You? Everyone feeling better now?

  143. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Fox

    that is why we put up with AL
    he likes to push us if he thinks we are getting too comfortable in a box

  144. Foxtrot Says:

    Hi Pep– I think we are all getting restless because, for many of us, this has been a year long process of following this story! I hope we all get our happy ending!

  145. sliderblaze Says:

    Nobody is disputing that fact FOX

    it’s the initial arguement that give makes me suspect.

    Also I don’t think he would be willing and ready to testify in court under oath.

    That’s easy enough for him to say given that his chances of ever being called to testify in court under oath are virtually nil.

    He’s questioning the integrity of someone who isnt here to defend himself as one arguement to debunk what polarik is saying. We look for concrete evidence here, yes we all offer opinions on the best available info, but usually, it’s off a sourced article or finding

  146. thinkingmom11 Says:

    But Troy, give ’em a chance to post something before attacking…I appreciate your protective nature – you are indeed a true Texan man (and you KNOW I mean that with absolute respect!) And slider – the only way to change peoples views is to engage them in debate until it is assumed that they are too stubborn to ever change (remember Jon..esq?) However, we have had Al in here for quite a while and I think he has had his mind opened a little…not sure it is changed, but I think it is worth letting Koy speak unless/until they get snarky, mean or just plain obnoxious.

    You know that I will back the two of you up over some crazy Obobblehead come after you (though you both are MORE than capable of taking care of yourselves – maybe I could just be moral support?). You two have such great resources, sourced information and you both express your views in clever, succinct and (sometimes) colorful way I have no doubt that you are able to change minds! I would love to see a lively debate like we used to have with Jon..esq again. Please guys, don’t be too quick to dismiss differing points of view – it helps us all to debate and sharpen our own thinking when we defend our positions.

  147. Troy Says:

    Porr little koyaan. we were mean to him/her/it.

  148. Foxtrot Says:

    justanamericancindy4 Says:

    December 12, 2008 at 6:26 pm
    Fox

    that is why we put up with AL
    he likes to push us if he thinks we are getting too comfortable in a box
    ==================

    Exactly, JAC! And look how much fun we have bantering back and forth with Al! AGain, differing opinion, but he keeps it civil and so do we.

  149. ddlew Says:

    I just read on Leo’s blog, via a short cut to the right side of life (blog), that Cort’s case is still in review, that the SCOTUS has not yet completely denied Leo’s original case (they denied ONLY the STAY requested) because they were waiting to conference on Cort’s case and possibly combine them.

    Go to comments on Leo’s site and click the link to the other blog. It’s all there.

  150. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Hi Pep – thanks for asking. We are mostly better. My 5 yo is still feeling pretty funky but the rest of us are making a pretty speedy recovery. I think my trip to the woodshed is to blame – it was cold out there and no one came to visit 😉

    How are you? Improving I hope.

  151. Foxtrot Says:

    Well said, Mom! You can come out of the woodshed now! 😉 Hehe!

  152. sliderblaze Says:

    the initial post was an hour ago, and we’re still waiting……how long do we wait before we attack like hyenas? lol

  153. Bones Says:

    Hmmm… please think twice about bad-mouthing people or atmospheric formations you know very little about. It is in poor taste. Thanks.

  154. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Foxy said, ” Because when they present an idea or propose a bill to their staff made up of “like minded” people, there is no one to act as the tether to what other segments might feel about it. Everyone would simply say “great idea” because they all thought alike on issues. By having more diverse opinions, it gives you a view, from many different angles to an issue, and makes you a better Congressman/Senator who can serve all of his/her constituents better. ”

    and I agree. If we only hear the “yeses” of those who agree with us then we become weak. Even if we are correct, we are unable to see the possibe arguments. As this thing with BO becomes more fully revealed, there will be much to be seen and known. Even trolls bring their own form of information–even if it’s the disinformation. Let them show their hands, and then we know how to respond.

    Not saying Koy is a troll-no, not uhhh, uhh… I uhh wouldn’t say that uhh at all.

  155. Foxtrot Says:

    Bones — who was that directed to?

  156. Troy Says:

    You know what?….I’m personally sick of political correctness!!
    If koyaan wants to come in here and say, “I have done months worth of forensic analysis on the COLB and I have to disagree with Polarik”, then I want to hear all about it!!!

    I don’t want, need, or care to hear opinions on the topic when no evidence is being offered….Hard Ass?…Yep you betcha!!!

  157. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    I wish I had an BO voodoo doll….. just for frustration sake…… lol

  158. j.b. Says:

    I just re read Koyaan’s post and he/she really did not deserve the treatment he received.

    I mean, even the Hostess of this blog, Rose…. thanked her and took the time to point out (to us) what they had to say.

    Although I am not willing to PAY (and I realize that “bid” comment was in jest) I am curious as to what Koyaan might really have! I mean, geesh are “we” really like that? Mean?

    No.

    Hey, Koyaan, come back with the goods you offered, k?
    TIA.

  159. ddlew Says:

    I would like to cast my vote with the HOPE and CHANGE crowd.

    I HOPE they CHANGE who will be the next president.

  160. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    I’m glad you are all feeling better, Mom. I woulda come to the shed to see you, but (as you can see–) I had to pass my hat off to let a nurse wear it, I’ll be wearing a new hat soon–my nurse wouldn’t let me outta the house.

  161. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    I think we are all a little anxious about SCOTUS today….. wish we didn’t have soooo many eggs in one basket

  162. jjones Says:

    JB,
    Agreed, I would like to see what he has….PLEASE COME BACK KOYAAN !

  163. Foxtrot Says:

    Good one ddlew! LOL!

  164. Troy Says:

    Foxtrot Says:

    December 12, 2008 at 6:33 pm
    Bones — who was that directed to?

    ———————————–
    It was in reference to “CLOWD”

  165. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    It’s a little testy in here today. Anyone seen Al around?

    They are saying the alarm is not a drill.

  166. thinkingmom11 Says:

    I agree that what Koy posted was a pretty lame way to debunk, but let’s see if they have anything else. Maybe they do, maybe they don’t. If they don’t then, yes, they are lame and unimportant. But if they do, let’s hear it, evaluate it, discuss, and debate it. You know we all started out thinking that Obama was ineligible because he was supposedly born in Kenya. Well, the more people read and researched we ran into Donofrio, and found out that he may not be a NBC no matter where he was born. If we had dissed Donofrio just because he believed that O was born in Hawaii, then we would have dismissed a very important arguement. I am not defending Koyaan. I am just saying that until they start acting like a real a$$hole lets give ’em some time to reveal what they think or know. Then if they are jerks you can let loose on them with both barrels!

  167. sliderblaze Says:

    awwwww….cloud, my lil dew drop

  168. j.b. Says:

    For me it’s not politically correct to be civil.
    PC drives me crazy at times. (most) I mean, retard is a perfectly good word and I admit I use it, often. 🙂
    So shoot me. (keep in mind that would not be PC)

    I REALLY WANTED TO SEE WHAT THE HELL WAS ON THE PDF!?! MMMMMMkaaaaaaaaaY?

  169. Foxtrot Says:

    Thanks! Duh! Slow on the uptake today!

  170. koyaan Says:

    sliderblaze wrote:

    how about the halo’s around the letters, i’m an artist and use layers and i kno what he’s talking about the halo’s, when we need to fix it, we do stuff like that pixel by pixel.

    Ah, yes. The halos around the letters.

    Ever since June Polairk has claimed that those halos around the letters are a telltale sign of text having been digitally overlaid on an existing image.

    However in all that time, he has never demonstrated that to be the case nor described how to reproduce that phenomenon by digitally overlaying text on an existing image.

    If it’s such a telltale sign, it should be a very simple matter to demonstrate it for all to see and for others to reproduce for themselves.

    I’ve used PhotoShop, Paint Shop Pro, CorelDRAW! and Xara Xtreme Pro to digitally overlay text (using both bitmap and vector fonts) onto an existing image (such as the various existing COLB images) and have not been able to reproduce that phenomenon.

    When I first saw what Polarik was talking about, I recognized it as scanner and JPEG artifacts.

    However unlike Polarik, I actually bothered to demonstrate it.

    I laser printed the word “BIRTH” on a sheet of solid green paper. Then I scanned it using an HP PSC 1510xi “All-in-One” printer/scanner/copier.

    Here is a zoomed in image of the raw bitmap of the scan before any JPEG processing:

    Zoom of Raw Scan

    As you can see, even though the source document was nothing but black toner on solid green paper, there are decidedly white pixels surrounding the letters.

    Then I saved the image out as a JPEG at a quality level of about 75 if memory serves.

    Here’s a zoomed in image of the same thing:

    Zoom of JPEG Processed Image

    Now you can clearly see the artifacts due to JPEG processing and how it combines with the white pixels to change things even further.

    Notice that in the raw scan, there were still some decidedly green pixels between the B and the I and the I and the R. After JPEG processing, those pixels have been rendered virtually colorless.

    And just for good measure, here is the JPEG processed image after I digitally overlaid another “BIRTH” on it.

    With Digitally Overlaid Text

    As you can see, the digitally overlaid text has no haloing whatsoever.

    Again, there is absolutely no evidence in support of Polarik’s claim that the haloing is a telltale sign of text being digitally overlaid on an existing image.

    k

  171. thinkingmom11 Says:

    If you guys want to demand a well thought out, reasoned response repleat with sources and links – it might take a little time 🙂

  172. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    We post different here than most blog,……there if your post don’t have an edge to them they get ignored…..We’re gotten homey here and forgot how it is on the outside…

    most tame after they see how we operate around here…

  173. Foxtrot Says:

    j.b.– I would love to see Koyaan’s take on the certificate too!

  174. j.b. Says:

    Hmmm… please think twice about bad-mouthing people or atmospheric formations you know very little about. It is in poor taste. Thanks.

    Cloud, is that you?

  175. Bones Says:

    Fox, it was directed to Cindy. I’m just sick of seeing people making accusations about other people that are groundless just because it is so easy to do on the internet. I’ve done it myself, and I happen to be in a mood that is just sick of it all. No offense.

  176. Foxtrot Says:

    Okay, Koyaan, but that only explains that one element that Polarik brought up (the halo-ing). What about the myriad of other things, such as his sister’s name coming up underneath on the certificate?

  177. j.b. Says:

    We post different here than most blog,……there if your post don’t have an edge to them they get ignored…..We’re gotten homey here and forgot how it is on the outside…

    most tame after they see how we operate around here…

    omg, we ARE bigots and racists! Against other (different) bloggers!
    For Shame.

  178. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    koyaan

    he has many times said that he wasn’t talking about halo’s but about the dots between the letters

  179. Bones Says:

    j.b. – I am not Cloud, if that is what you are asking. Let’s stop it there.

  180. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Anyone watching Fox news? There’s been a major resignation in the Blag case! Blag met with clergy this morning. I wonder if he is resigning? Could it be Rahm Emmanuel? Maybe Obama decided it wasn’t worth it all and he resigned! Is it Rahm?

  181. j.b. Says:

    Dayuum, I could not care less about the opinion on the colb. I believe Polarik.

    I wanna see the PDF!

    cul8er

    thanks for coming back, Koyaan…………….I think. 🙂

  182. Foxtrot Says:

    Mom- you were right about giving a chance for someone to compile what they wanted to say! Next thing we know . . . voila!

  183. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Nope, it was John Harris! Oiy!

  184. Foxtrot Says:

    Pep – no surprise there!

  185. jjones Says:

    Koyaan,
    “Zoom of JPEG Processed Image” does not display, do you have another link?

  186. j.b. Says:

    j.b. – I am not Cloud, if that is what you are asking. Let’s stop it there.

    Okaaaaaaaaaaay, and I’ll make no bones about it.

  187. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Maybe Harris will roll over on some bigger fish– wonder if they have the bus warmed up!

  188. jjones Says:

    Patty, I’m sure the bus is already rolling…

  189. j.b. Says:

    Maybe Harris will roll over on some bigger fish– wonder if they have the bus warmed up!

    Shoot,
    they never turn it off!

  190. sliderblaze Says:

    Ok, i just took a green piece of paper, typed BIRTH on it, scanned it, blew it up, NO HALOS, i’m an artist and i do i did my first drawing on the computer 10 yrs ago and have been doing it ever since……..when i layer my drawing, i sometimes get halos, whether it’s typed or on just a solid line i need, i go in and fill in the pixels one at a time.

    get that people, i just scanned a green piece of paper with fresh black type on it and NO HALOS

  191. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    hope they have good shocks on that bus…

  192. Troy Says:

    I personally watched someone make a fake doc., not going to say what type of doc just use your imagination, it’s not hard to figure out….The pixel problem between the letters was exactly as Polarik stated, upon close examination.

  193. j.b. Says:

    Uh-oh a suspicious letter has been sent to Gov. Richardson! I wonder if Obama sent it, to let the gov. know he didn’t like his youtube! 🙂

  194. jjones Says:

    Slider,
    I’m not that artistically inclined, Can you please explain in more simplistic terms what you are saying

  195. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Koyaan – also, the embossed stamp does not appear to match the one used in 2007. It is of a different size and the distance between the letters around the seal and the inner ring are dramatically different. Some things are just too weird with that certificate. Just think, even if that certificate is real (meaning from the State of Hawaii, compleltely unaltered, and official) it isn’t even good enough for the State of Hawaii as proof of Hawaiian birth.

    hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl

    In Hawaii, he would need to provide his long, vault form for positive proof. I do not think that it is unreasonable for the US to expect to see the vault cert.

    You can refute Polarik all you want, but the simple fact is there is a simple solution for this – Obama needs to pony up the REAL @$#* birth certificate!!

  196. j.b. Says:

    get that people, i just scanned a green piece of paper with fresh black type on it and NO HALOS

    Okay, but did it have dots?

  197. koyaan Says:

    Troy wrote:

    It didn’t take much to see that the COLB was a hodge-podge of about three different COLB’s all meshed together.

    What it took to make people “see” that were some false claims.

    Did you miss Polarik’s post over on Free Republic where he refuted his original (and unsubstantiated) claim that the borders and seal were changed every year?

    Seems he has since discovered that they weren’t.

    Borders were changed every two years. And he has a COLB from 2006 which has the same embossed seal as a 2008 COLB.

    It’s easy to make things seem to be something other than what they are when you just make stuff up as you go along. Which is what Polarik has been doing from day one, when he claimed that the haloing effect was a telltale sign of a digital forgery.

    k

  198. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Koy,

    I see the halo but it doesn’t look like the missing pixels from the COLB

    I too was a graphic artist, and also a forensic anthropoligist… I’m not buying this piece of your pie.

    Got anything else?

    Also, do you mind giving us some type of cv on why we should even entertain your evidence here? If you gave it and I missed it, then I apologize.

  199. ddlew Says:

    Dang Bones, lighten up. It’s all good.

    Let’s not cast a CLOUD of discontent over the blog.

    Lol! Joke! Be cool!

    🙂

  200. sliderblaze Says:

    Wait, what was said about cloud, did i miss something?

  201. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Troy

    not guiltless,…… let my nephew talk me into ‘adjusting” his car insurance card.. gving him a extra 2 months to get his butt in gear…

  202. koyaan Says:

    peppermintpatty777 wrote:

    I see the halo but it doesn’t look like the missing pixels from the COLB

    What “missing pixels” are you referring to?

    k

  203. jjones Says:

    Koyaan, do you have anything on the fold lines?

  204. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    slider

    I make a joke about cloud,,, that bones took the wrong way

  205. Troy Says:

    Did you miss Polarik’s post over on Free Republic where he refuted his original (and unsubstantiated) claim that the borders and seal were changed every year?
    ———————————————————–
    Did you not see that Polarik said that in light of this new info that it still did not change his findings?

  206. sliderblaze Says:

    i’m still hung up on the halo bit, i just scanned a solid green, and, no halos, not one, and i’m using a pretty crappy scanner at that

  207. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Troy

    why I give credibility to Polarik’s findings…. he will speak up if something changes, like the border/year issue

  208. Troy Says:

    sliderblaze Says:

    December 12, 2008 at 7:00 pm
    i’m still hung up on the halo bit, i just scanned a solid green, and, no halos, not one, and i’m using a pretty crappy scanner at that
    ———————————————————–
    waste of time….the COLB was not solid green

  209. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    I’m still waiting on the c.v., K.

  210. Foxtrot Says:

    Koyaan —

    There is really only one question I have for you and it is this . . .

    If Obama has nothing to hide and could make this all go away by producing his vault version of his birth certificate, AND not have to pay tens of thousands of dollars on attorney fees, then why wouldn’t he?

  211. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Slider

    that is true,.. that document paper is almost a green wash and not solid.. it is also extremely thin

  212. sliderblaze Says:

    still dont matter, if, like dude says, there would be halos wether it was green or red or blue. He’s contesting that even with a solid green paper with type on it, scanning it would produce a halo, i say bullshit, cus i jsut did it and no halo. Now if i were to put an over lay on that, i’m sure i’d get a halo, with i’m trying to do right now but i’m computer is a lil slow at the moment, i’ve done this before with drawing

  213. koyaan Says:

    thinkingmom11 wrote:

    Koyaan – also, the embossed stamp does not appear to match the one used in 2007. It is of a different size and the distance between the letters around the seal and the inner ring are dramatically different.

    But there’s no evidence that the exact same seal is used each year.

    As I said previously, Polarik has a 2006 COLB which uses the same seal as that on a 2008 COLB, which is the same seal that was used on Obama’s 2007 COLB.

    So unless the 2006 COLB Polarik provided is a fake, the embossed seal doesn’t appear to have any particular relationship to the year the COLB was produced.

    k

  214. sliderblaze Says:

    the paper i’m suing isnt tissue paper, but it’s pretty damn close, it’s tracing paper

  215. jjones Says:

    Koyaan,
    can we assume you are working on more proof/evidence that Polarik is incorrect? If so, can you provide your qualifications?

  216. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    I think the closest you could come to testing it is,
    that thin wedding invitation paper finding some in a green

  217. Katie Says:

    I just did a Google (much as it pained me) search on “Linda Starr Phil Berg”, (trying to validate the post that has us all so curious) and look at the first thing that popped up. The link doesn’t work anymore, but can’t be more than one koyann, can there?

    Phil Berg Associate, “Linda Starr” Commits Criminal Act On Berg’s …
    Phil Berg Associate, “Linda Starr” Commits Criminal Act On Berg’s Obama Crimes Website! October 25, 2008 in Uncategorized. In a reply to Berg’s announcement …

    koyaan.wordpress.com/2008/10/25/phil-berg-associate-linda-starr-commits-criminal-act-on-bergs-obama-crimes-website/

  218. sliderblaze Says:

    i also see inbetween your letters there are green shades, i dont see that in the colb, it’s all white and shades of gray no green, urs has green inbetween, halos aside

  219. Foxtrot Says:

    Koyaan said: But there’s no evidence that the exact same seal is used each year.

    ==============

    Aaaaaaaaahhh, but there was! That was already proven on several other sites where the respective department in Hawaii was asked that very question and the response was something to the affect that the seal had not changed. I believe it was also verified by just an average Joe, like us, that called that department in Hawaii to verify as well! I will try to find those links, but no promises. It may be tomorrow as I have to get off here in a bit. Heck, if I had the number, I would call myself!

  220. koyaan Says:

    Foxtrot wrote:

    Koyaan –

    There is really only one question I have for you and it is this . . .

    If Obama has nothing to hide and could make this all go away by producing his vault version of his birth certificate, AND not have to pay tens of thousands of dollars on attorney fees, then why wouldn’t he?

    You’ll have to ask Obama. I’m many things, but a psychic isn’t one of them.

    k

  221. Troy Says:

    How about this folks; ANYTHING posted on the Internet is NOT a document!!!!….It is a freakin image on your computer screen/monitor!!!!….It is an IMAGE!!!!….A document is something usually printed on paper that you can hold in your hands….Get it?….BO has never produced a document to be scrutinized by any unbiased forensic examiner!!!…EVER!!!!

  222. Foxtrot Says:

    Koyaan –

    There is really only one question I have for you and it is this . . .

    If Obama has nothing to hide and could make this all go away by producing his vault version of his birth certificate, AND not have to pay tens of thousands of dollars on attorney fees, then why wouldn’t he?

    ==================

    Still waiting to hear your answer on this one?

  223. sliderblaze Says:

    also, your “halo’s” seem to be only one pixel deep, where the Colb seems to be multiple pixels deep, leaving no green between letters on the Colb, yours has green

  224. koyaan Says:

    Foxtrot wrote:

    Aaaaaaaaahhh, but there was! That was already proven on several other sites where the respective department in Hawaii was asked that very question and the response was something to the affect that the seal had not changed.

    So then you’re saying that Polarik is offering up fake COLBs that he’s passing off as genuine?

    k

  225. jjones Says:

    Koyaan,
    I believe the point is, doesn’t it make YOU wonder why he wouldn’t just release it? forged document or no… it doesn’t make any sense.

  226. Troy Says:

    koyaan.wordpress.com/2008/10/25/phil-berg-associate-linda-starr-commits-criminal-act-on-bergs-obama-crimes-website/
    ———————————————————–
    koyaan,
    Is this you?….Please answer!!!!!

  227. koyaan Says:

    Troy wrote:

    How about this folks; ANYTHING posted on the Internet is NOT a document!!!!….It is a freakin image on your computer screen/monitor!!!!….It is an IMAGE!!!!….A document is something usually printed on paper that you can hold in your hands….Get it?….

    That’s absolutely correct.

    O has never produced a document to be scrutinized by any unbiased forensic examiner!!!…EVER!!!!

    Well, it’s been known since August that the actual document was kept at Obama’s Chicago campaign headquarters.

    Can you name anyone who bothered to go there and ask to see the document for themselves?

    k

  228. Foxtrot Says:

    Okay Koyaan, let me rephrase the question! If you PERSONALLY had a chance to prove your point and make all the negative press and supposition go away by simply providing a vault version of your birth certificate, OR spend tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars to defend the case, which would YOU choose? (not rhetorical, really want an answer)

    Now, I can probably speak for the majority of Americans on this one and say, since WE would have nothing to hide, we would far rather produce the document to shut up our detractors, than we would spend tons of money defending it!

  229. jjones Says:

    Koyaan, please provide your qualification… I’ll be willing to take them at face value

  230. j.b. Says:

    So then you’re saying that Polarik is offering up fake COLBs that he’s passing off as genuine?

    k

    Oh, brother. Hey, how about that pdf? You know, the one with Berg’s suit filing on it! 🙂

  231. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Koyann

    you seen to be free with your opinoins…. like on the BC
    why not answer the other question posed by Fox?
    opinoins isn’t being psychic

  232. Troy Says:

    Folks what we have here is a kool-aid drinker trying to damage control for Barky….Don’t waste your time here troll.

  233. Foxtrot Says:

    Can you name anyone who bothered to go there and ask to see the document for themselves?

    k

    ===================

    Yes, there was a Chicago man on the obamacrimes comment section that stated he DID in fact go to Obama’s office and that they said it was not there. I don’t have the patience to go through the 2300 comments to refind it, but you can!

  234. sliderblaze Says:

    burrrrrrrnt, i’m now disengaged from Koyaan, i did my own scan, no halos, still green in between, pretty cut and dry. His/her halos are one pixel deep. I’ve been around computer drawing that incorporate layers and been around the block to know, whomever did the forgery, hopefully wasnt paid that much. Until you have your own real culb to run tests on, your pissing into the wind.

  235. sliderblaze Says:

    I guess we know harris we be singing

  236. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    slider

    that is what Polarik did….. he scanned an original hawaian BC a year older/younger than Bo’s ..

    sorry the details have gotten a little muddled

  237. Troy Says:

    Can you name anyone who bothered to go there and ask to see the document for themselves?

    k
    ———————————————————–
    what purpose would it serve?….Do you honestly think that they will allow it to go to a lab for forensic analysis?….Like I said earlier, I have personally seen a document created that looked every bit as good as any document before it.
    And yes, I held in in my hands….Did that make it genuine?
    No, I watched it being created!!!!….It sure looked and felt genuine though….sadly, it didn’t even take very long to make the thing.

  238. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Koyaan – As far as I can tell Obama’s seal doesn’t match the 2006, 2007 or 2008 seal…what else you got?
    And, I agree Troy, no one in an official capacity has examined the COLB – factcheck and fightthesmears can hardly be considered “official” or unbiased, unless of course you have drank the koolade.

  239. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    factsheck is an internet entity that has no legal standing

  240. jjones Says:

    I believe Koyaan may have said all he has and is done…. That didn’t take long.

  241. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    I like how Orly calls Fight the smears,……. Fight the truth

  242. sliderblaze Says:

    thats what i’m saying, i’ve seen his stuff, pretty compelling

    koyaans on the other hand, i scanned, got no halos, barely any ink bleeding. Koyaan seems to have a halo of one pixel deep, the colb had many layers deep, so, i cant argue anymore, i did my own lil test, the halo theory of his failed

  243. Troy Says:

    now do y’all see why I jumped koyaan when he first started to spew…I can spot these fools from a mile off

  244. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    jj

    yep….. disappeared right after someone posted about the site asking if it was her

  245. koyaan Says:

    Foxtrot wrote:

    Okay Koyaan, let me rephrase the question! If you PERSONALLY had a chance to prove your point and make all the negative press and supposition go away by simply providing a vault version of your birth certificate, OR spend tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars to defend the case, which would YOU choose? (not rhetorical, really want an answer)

    But I fail to see what reasons I may have for deciding to do something or to not do something have to do with what Obama’s reasons might be.

    I’m not Obama.

    So what useful purpose would it serve for me to imagine that I am? I’d no more know what Obama’s reasons are than if I don’t.

    So what’s the point?

    k

  246. sliderblaze Says:

    But I fail to see what reasons I may have for deciding to do something or to not do something have to do with what Obama’s reasons might be.

    I’m not Obama.

    So what useful purpose would it serve for me to imagine that I am? I’d no more know what Obama’s reasons are than if I don’t.

    So what’s the point?

    and there u have it folks, rational thinking out the window

  247. Foxtrot Says:

    Okay, guys, veeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrry strange! I decided to call the Obama transition office in Chicago to see if I could come see the birth certificate that several of his staff say is there. The first number I was given was 312-819-2008. When you get that number it tells you to either go online for everything, or if you want to speak to a person, contact 866-540-3000. I called that number and basically got the same thing–no way to talk to a real person unless you are a business vendor wanting your bill paid, etc. However, the recording gave me a third number of 202-540-3000. I dialed that number and finally got a real person who answered, “Obama Transition Office”. I asked the pleasant young man if he had the birth certificate there in the Chicago office. He stated that he was not in Chicago, but in D.C. and that they did not have the birth certificate there. I said, “I thought the Transition Office was in Chicago?” He responded, “well we are just answering phones, just a few of us, here in D.C. while the transition goes forward.” What the heck!! I then asked how I could get a hold of a human being at the Chicago office and he gave me the 866 number. I explained that it doesn’t allow you to speak to anyone on either number, at least not “live”–you have to leave messages. He said he didn’t know why it was set up that way! In other words, for some reason, there is no way to get a hold of a real person at any of the Chicago offices. Unbelievable!!!

  248. jjones Says:

    Koyaan,
    Not a very good argument you have there….”I’m not him, so how should I know why?”
    He’s now going to be the president of the most economically powerfull and technologically advanced military in the world. Don’t you want to be sure you know who he is?

  249. Troy Says:

    I don’t know why these disinformation specialists come to sites like this….They should all know by now that it is a huge waste of time….koyaan, your simply beating your head against a wall here….move on to the next site!!!!

  250. Foxtrot Says:

    Okay Koyaan, let me rephrase the question! If you PERSONALLY had a chance to prove your point and make all the negative press and supposition go away by simply providing a vault version of your birth certificate, OR spend tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars to defend the case, which would YOU choose? (not rhetorical, really want an answer)
    ==========

    HUMOR ME, KOYAAN! ANSWER THE QUESTION PLEASE.

  251. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Fox

    she can’t it would be a sacrilege to her Messiah

  252. Troy Says:

    I hope Rose will follow Free Republic’s lead and ban this little Obot….NOT WELCOMED!!!!

  253. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Yeah, after going to koyaan’s site – I am not much interested in what he may say… I am really ticked that Obama, Blago, Rahm, the Jackson’s, et al have turned this country into some kind of Banana Republic.

    I don’t think a George Washington or Thomas Jefferson could get elected today. They wouldn’t even want to run for office probably – politics is too dirty for men of honor anymore which is why all we get is the scum that has risen to the top…

  254. Foxtrot Says:

    Koyaan — you really don’ t have to answer the question because we know the answer already! Why, you say, do we know the answer already? Because it is so logical that ANYONE would simply “put up and shut up” by bringing forth the document. It gets old, and very expensive, to try to debunk a thought/idea people may have in their heads. Therefore, the vast majority of the population would simply provide the vault version of the certificate so they don’t have to hear the crap anymore or spend anymore money on fighting it! It is really that simple.

    Therefore, we will take you lack of response as the response I just outlined above. Thanks for siding with us!!! 😉

  255. sliderblaze Says:

    Fox, did you ask for the real one or the colb? Koyaaclown doesnt seem to realize that a COLB dont mean shit whether it be real or not. His trying, and failing to debunk something that doesnt matter i guess makes him feel good or important. My son couldnt use that POS for football, dude should be able to use it for POTUS Obot be gone spray anyone?

  256. koyaan Says:

    Troy wrote:

    what purpose would it serve?….Do you honestly think that they will allow it to go to a lab for forensic analysis?….

    There wouldn’t be any need to send it to a forensic lab.

    According to Polarik, the document doesn’t even exist in physical form.

    He claims that it was created digitally, using bits and pieces scanned from other genuine documents. Even the FactCheck photographs of the document he claims are digital fakes.

    So if one were to have gone to Obama’s Chicago campaign headquarters and found a physical document, then Polarik’s entire case would be blown out of the water.

    No forensic lab necessary.

    k

  257. Foxtrot Says:

    Koyaan, you don’t find it a little odd that every document relating to Obama’s place of birth has been sealed? Personally, I want to see the College records. My hunch? That Obama applied as a “foreign student” and it will show that in his files. He already stated in his books that he was not a great student throughout most of his college years, so it couldn’t be that he was hiding that? That only leaves on other reason he doesn’t want us to see them . . . he registered and applied as a foreign student, probably Indonesian.

  258. sliderblaze Says:

    so i guess you side with us then Koyaan since no lab necessary?, sounds like you just discredited yourself

  259. sliderblaze Says:

    FOX, you’re wasting your time

  260. koyaan Says:

    justanamericancindy4 wrote:

    she can’t it would be a sacrilege to her Messiah

    Er, “she”?

    This faux pas is a good example of the problem here.

    People coming to conclusions based on erroneous assumptions.

    k

  261. Katie Says:

    http://koyaan.wordpress.com/

    Even signs the posts on that site with the same little ‘k’. I’d suggest you quit trying to get logic out of someone who is totally illogical. Only raises your blood pressure and gives the kool-aid drinkers more to go on…

  262. thinkingmom11 Says:

    K – do you think it is unreasonable to ask to see Obama’s vault form of his birth certificate? Or do you believe that the one that was posted online is good enough? Did you know that the State of Hawaii doesn’t even accept that form as positive proof of Hawaiian birth? Don’t you think the USA should expect at least as much proof as HI does that he was indeed born there from a man who would be president? The State of HI knows that foreign born children could be registered there and get a Certification of Live Birth.
    If you are going to try to pedal your “Obami the greatest” goods here, I doubt you will find any buyers.

  263. Lyn Says:

    chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-blagojevich-jackson12dec12,0,6420556.story
    Blagojevich fundraiser held by Jackson allies Saturday

    As Gov. Rod Blagojevich was trying to pick Illinois’ next U.S. senator, businessmen with ties to both the governor and U.S. Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. discussed raising at least $1 million for Blagojevich’s campaign as a way to encourage him to pick Jackson for the job, the Tribune has learned.

    Blagojevich made an appearance at an Oct. 31 luncheon meeting at the India House restaurant in Schaumburg sponsored by Oak Brook businessman Raghuveer Nayak, a major Blagojevich supporter who also has fundraising and business ties to the Jackson family, according to several attendees and public records.

    Two businessmen who attended the meeting and spoke to the Tribune on the condition of anonymity said that Nayak and Blagojevich aide Rajinder Bedi privately told many of the more than two dozen attendees the fundraising effort was aimed at supporting Jackson’s bid for the Senate.

    Among the attendees was a Blagojevich fundraiser already under scrutiny by federal investigators, Joliet pharmacist Harish Bhatt.
    more…..

  264. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    koyaan Says:

    December 12, 2008 at 7:46 pm
    justanamericancindy4 wrote:

    she can’t it would be a sacrilege to her Messiah

    Er, “she”?

    This faux pas is a good example of the problem here.

    People coming to conclusions based on erroneous assumptions.

    ______________

    I will just call you “it” from now on

  265. Foxtrot Says:

    You also don’t find it odd that Obama and his sister both stated Obama was born at two hospitals in Hawaii and neither has record of his mother ever being a patient there? Then, of course, they backpedaled and said he was born at home! All of the uncertainty associated with this man makes me nervous for our country. All we are asking to alleviate any doubt in millions of American voters minds is for him to release his vault version of his birth certificate. Personally, I would rather see the college records as then he would have been a adult and can’t claim he “didn’t know” or “his mother hid the truth from him” as to where he was born. When he applied and attended college he was considered an adult. So, if he stated he was an Indonesian citizen when he applied, he can’t blame it on dead grandma or dead momma!

  266. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Ok Fox, Mom

    can we call IT a troll now?

  267. sliderblaze Says:

    koyaan Says:
    December 12, 2008 at 7:46 pm

    justanamericancindy4 wrote:

    she can’t it would be a sacrilege to her Messiah

    Er, “she”?

    This faux pas is a good example of the problem here.

    People coming to conclusions based on erroneous assumptions.

    k

    you mean like what you just did with polarik and him not really wanting to testify underoath, get real dude. on a scale of one to your a dipsh…..i’ll hold back for now, but, those here know thats not my style, at all, not one iota. tread lightly

  268. Foxtrot Says:

    My last comment was directed to Koyaan.

  269. j.b. Says:

    Thanks, Lyn, I was just about to post that from Hillbuzzzzzzzzz……………………..

  270. Troy Says:

    According to Polarik, the document doesn’t even exist in physical form.
    ————————————————————
    Your talking out of your ass….He clearly showed the forged documet as it was photographed by the Obots at FactCheck.org….That means they had the actual forged doc. in their grimy little hands…..Therefore Polarik states that it does exist….It’s just a forgery and that is the problem.

  271. rosettasister Says:

    sliderblaze Says:
    December 12, 2008 at 7:39 pm

    Obot be gone spray anyone?

    ——————-

    Perhaps I should interject something here.

    I knew of koyaan’s predilections.

    We go back a little ways.

    I have commented at his blog, as well as Polarik.

    I am appreciative of the link he provided to us.

    I’ve never understood why koyaan couldn’t disagree with Polarik w/o calling Polarik a “liar.”

    I’m pretty sure Polarik believes everything he’s published.

    As does koyaan.

    BTW “whatsyourevidence” has commented here as well.

    She’s a nice lady.

    With mine own eyes, I see the merit in Polarik’s findings.

    Koyaan, I’d really like to know.

    How did you happen to get your hands on the info I was looking for, the info to which you referred in your first comment here?

    Rosetta

  272. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Koy – it could be the “aan” part of your name that makes you sounds like a girl…honest mistake – give me a break. I made the mistake of assuming Tenacity was a woman because some were refering to him as “Tena.” I went to school with a girl named Tena so I automatically filed him as a her…

    I think your erroneous assumption is that Obama is an honest man, clean as a whistle though having been blown out of the Chicago machine. Your assumption is far more dangerous and naive than ours are.

  273. indy500 Says:

    koyaan Says – I may be mistaken, but I think not. This Dude posts several times on Americasright comments and many smell a troll festering under the bridge. Also, obamacrimes has a saga going on about Obama paid trolls – anyone see it? In my opinion, “Lawdog” is bellying up to the troth too.

  274. Foxtrot Says:

    How come Koyaan never responds to MY questions?

  275. koyaan Says:

    sliderblaze wrote:

    Fox, did you ask for the real one or the colb? Koyaaclown doesnt seem to realize that a COLB dont mean shit whether it be real or not.

    If that’s the case, then Polarik’s irrelevant, yes?

    k

  276. sliderblaze Says:

    like i said before,

    there is no such thing as a virgin in a whorehouse

  277. Foxtrot Says:

    Sure there is slider. It could be their first day on the job!

  278. sliderblaze Says:

    Fox i hope ur being sarcastic

  279. sliderblaze Says:

    koyaan u no…..i knw ur a lil slow, but, come on

  280. koyaan Says:

    thinkingmom11 wrote:

    I think your erroneous assumption is that Obama is an honest man, clean as a whistle though having been blown out of the Chicago machine. Your assumption is far more dangerous and naive than ours are.

    I’ve made no such assumption whatsoever.

    Yet again you reach conclusions based on erroneous assumptions.

    k

  281. Troy Says:

    If that’s the case, then Polarik’s irrelevant, yes?

    k
    ———————————————————–
    I don’t think criminal fraud and forgery of gov. docs is irrelevant

  282. sliderblaze Says:

    Ok, Koyann is igged,

    you sir are a dipshit, there, i said, it, i smell a hypocrit

    Peace

  283. Al Says:

    peppermintpatty777 Says:

    December 12, 2008 at 6:38 pm
    It’s a little testy in here today. Anyone seen Al around?

    They are saying the alarm is not a drill.

    ************************************************************

    Hello Susan,

    Still out mending fences for the most part today. Good to see you and ThinkingMom’ making a full recovery health wise–keep it going. Appreciate JAC and Foxy’s fair and balanced remarks too about putting up with my pro-Obama stance; however, they are correct in asserting that I’m at least trying to keep an openmind. Back later if Erin doesn’t want to catch some holiday sales at Best Buy, Target, Walmart, Circuit City, etc…if I live to be a hundred, Susan, I’ll never be able to figure out why a woman can shop like time stands still.

    Meanwhile, as much as some of us in the Obama camp are displaying our poker faces outwardly, it’ll be a hugh relief to know for certain that no links/roads lead back from Governor Blagojevich to Mr. Obama directly. Mr. Alexrod seems to have his wits about him, and it would be a surprise if he didn’t wisely place the necessary buffers in place to shield Mr. Obama, but even a championship team lets their guard down on occasion(oops).

    I hope you buy your own hats and shoes, Susan, because it wouldn’t be fair if your husband has to since you change hats so often…maybe on your Birthday, your Anniversary, Christmas, Valentines is okay, but not 24/7–geesh.

    What color would be your hat and shoes if you planned on attending the Inauguration Day ceremony in 37 days?

  284. koyaan Says:

    rosettasister, I’ll reply to your post after I grab some lunch.

    k

  285. Troy Says:

    koy, be sure to come back here and chat some more after your BOY is led away in cuffs….The conversation will be quite enjoyable

  286. sliderblaze Says:

    Troy, disengage, it’s a clown, saying we assume when he/she did the same thing about polarik saying he’ll testify because he wont have to, hypocrit

  287. sliderblaze Says:

    maybe not enough breast feeding as a kid, but, thats just an assumption on my part

  288. Foxtrot Says:

    Again, how come Koyaan never answers my questions? Is it because he can’t defy logic and agree with Obama on them? Clearly.

  289. Foxtrot Says:

    bbl

  290. Troy Says:

    I knew it was a pissant when it first showed up here!!!

  291. sliderblaze Says:

    FOX, that is my point exactly, he/she is trying to descredit polarik by what we say and in the same token, it descredits him/her, not very bright of an arguement, I think i lost about 10 IQ points just by engaging in such shananagins

  292. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Koy – So what, did Polarik kick your sandcastle over when you were kids? Maybe he beat you at the Chess tournament in high school? or he kissed your sister? What is your problem, exactly? You seem to have a particular beef with Polarik. Or am I assuming too much? I would be very interested in your stand here. Are you an Obama supporter and do you believe that the US Constitution should be followed? Should Obama release to officials his long form birth certificate? Is Obama an honest man? What do you say, share with us some of these things so we don’t make erroneous assumption.

  293. Troy Says:

    I have absolutely no tolerance for fools like that

  294. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    doesn’t matter if the BC on Bo’s site is fake or not…..

    it is not complete enough to PROVE he is a natural born citizen
    why he needs to show a valted BC

    It is only good to prove fraud intent after the “real” one is finally uncovered.

  295. Troy Says:

    paid Obots always try to distract people from what is really going on

  296. Troy Says:

    justanamericancindy4 Says:

    December 12, 2008 at 8:08 pm
    doesn’t matter if the BC on Bo’s site is fake or not…..

    it is not complete enough to PROVE he is a natural born citizen
    why he needs to show a valted BC

    It is only good to prove fraud intent after the “real” one is finally uncovered.
    ———————————–
    yep, criminal charges

  297. j.b. Says:

    Hey, Kora, er, Koyaan please bring the PDF of Berg’s lawsuit you mentioned when you get back from lunch, K? TIA. 🙂

  298. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    I sure wish I had a bam bam voodoo doll…….. lol and lots of pins….

    just for the chaos he has caused in my own life…….frustration self help technique 🙂

  299. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Yea, next project: Obama embroiled in Senate seat scandal. That is much tastier than some old birth certificate.

  300. sliderblaze Says:

    mypetjawa.mu.nu/

    warning graphic, faint at heart need not see

  301. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    j.b.
    I wouldn’t count on k having the full pdf….. and if he did I wouldn’t trust it…..
    chaos, and red herrings are Bo tactics

  302. thinkingmom11 Says:

    JB – I would be interested in knowing how IT (that’s for you cindy 🙂 ) got ahold of those docs…K (Steve Ellis) doesn’t seem like he would be someone berg would trust…wouldn’t trust anything from a troll

  303. sliderblaze Says:

    so, if these convo were recorded, can we assume that Obama then KNew about what was going on and lied that he didnt know anything

  304. rosettasister Says:

    koyaan Says:
    December 12, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    rosettasister, I’ll reply to your post after I grab some lunch.

    k

    ——————–

    okay, thanks!

    And thanks to all of you, too!

    I wish Polarik would contribute something here.

    He does comment here, but almost always his comments are buried on an old thread somewhere.

    If you know how, do a search which limits your results to rosettasister.wordpress.com and “polarik”

    Here’s a good one:

    https://rosettasister.wordpress.com/2008/08/17/%e2%80%9cthe-truth-about-obamas-forged-birth-certificate-what-polarik-never-told-you%e2%80%9d-techdude-%e2%80%93-israel-insider-%e2%80%93-free-republic-%e2%80%93-texasdarlin/

  305. indy500 Says:

    sliderblaze Says:
    December 12, 2008 at 8:02 pm:
    ____________________________

    Good advice. Same goes for the jackass that went shopping today.

    Anyone listen to Glen Beck today? He hit center mass.

  306. Troy Says:

    sliderblaze Says:

    December 12, 2008 at 8:17 pm
    so, if these convo were recorded, can we assume that Obama then KNew about what was going on and lied that he didnt know anything
    ———————————————————–
    Does a frog have waterproof ears?

  307. thinkingmom11 Says:

    If he didn’t know what was going on he has got to be the most clueless idiot to ever don a suit. He seems to be clueless on TOOOOOO many things. It is implausible that he didn’t know about Rev. Wright (after 20 years), or that Rezko was under investigaion, that Ayers was a terrorist/socialist thug, and so on, and so on…He is either a liar or clueless idiot…or am i assuming too much

  308. j.b. Says:

    Nope, I missed Glenn today. What’d he say?

  309. sliderblaze Says:

    does a frogs ass hit the ground when he hops……

    thats a fav of mine…..

    i have another but it’s an industry one, you’ll wouldnt understand

  310. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Either Obama is clueless or Rev. Wright is about the worst pastor in the history of pastors. If he didn’t manage to get his point across to someone who is seemingly so bright (bright enough to even be president of the US) then he is a terrible communicator…though it seems Michelle got the message (she may have taught Wright a thing or two – have you read her sr. thesis?!)

  311. Troy Says:

    Obama?…Did he know?…He’s the freakin ring leader

  312. sliderblaze Says:

    idk but i feel a huge repub come back on 2010, you know this will be the bigest i told you so….

    dont blame me, i voted for the angry old guy in diapers

  313. thinkingmom11 Says:

    LOL slider – it sure seems to be setting up for a republican comeback. Let’s hope we handle things a little better the next time around. We started out great but the last couple of year of unfettered spending has tarnished our image – sad to say

  314. sliderblaze Says:

    liveleak.com/view?i=2c5_1229093042

    obama’s presidency, tons of dead weight and going no where fast….

  315. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    I only caught a minute of it……. but was McCain on David Letterman last night or was it a repeat?

  316. Troy Says:

    Just as I already knew was the case, Emanuel WAS recorded dealing with Blago….Emanuel IS toast!!!….Obama: “I never authorized Rahm to speak on my behalf…That’s not the Rahm I used to know”

    http//
    advanceindiana.blogspot.com/2008/12/emanuel-talks-with-blagoyevich-taped.html

  317. sliderblaze Says:

    the wheels on the bus go blump blump blump, ….

  318. thinkingmom11 Says:

    townhall.com “Moral vacuum in Ill.” Ya THINK?!

    townhall.com/columnists/KathrynJeanLopez/2008/12/12/moral_vacuum_in_illinois

  319. sliderblaze Says:

    seriously tho, if there were more than on occasion that they talked, and different deals were made, i wonder……u know he reported back to O, no saying that they did anything illegal, but it would prove O lied about not knowing

  320. indy500 Says:

    It’s funny how the trolls put out the word that the SC case today was shot down. Kinda like the Sana Anna winds in CA, they hoped would spead like wildfire. Thankfuly, naturalborncitizen put out that false alert. Please be careful of what you see. Nothing is what it seems anymore.

    Glenn Beck speaks in ways I can understand. I can only say that in my little world he hit the bullseye.

  321. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    well I got to go make 2 batches of fudge,…. for the xmas party tomorrow.
    I am also making a pinapple stuffing that is heaven, and homemade noodles……..

  322. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Have a good one JAC – gonna follow suit – gotta make cookies etc and try to clean house – kids are pigs when they are sick!

  323. indy500 Says:

    Websites disappear that provide proof he is a false messiah. His prophets make a false statement and is covered up as a “mistake”, then the proof is whitewashed by an error screen. However, some resourceful individuals snapshot it to preserve and distribute on the net. Doesn’t matter, because MSM has his back. Only those who desperately seek truth can find it, and once you find it MSM and trolls has deemed it a tin foil sham. I’ve seen a lot of stuff in my day, but nothing like what has happened in the past few weeks. And this extends beyond what is in the media and on the internet.

    Keep your freakin powder dry people. It’s coming with vengenance.

  324. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    I hope you buy your own hats and shoes, Susan, because it wouldn’t be fair if your husband has to since you change hats so often…maybe on your Birthday, your Anniversary, Christmas, Valentines is okay, but not 24/7–geesh.

    What color would be your hat and shoes if you planned on attending the Inauguration Day ceremony in 37 days?
    ________________________________

    Oiy Al, my husband would laugh at the shoes part. I just passed off a piece of my world famous homemade fudge to the UPS guy–in exchange for my dear hubby’s latest pair of shoes. This man is a shoe-hog! He said they were for my benefit–in case anything ever happened to him, I could sell his investment and pay of all the bills… first off, we don’t have any bills, and second, he knows I would be stuck with them forever! He is the same way with hats–all of course very fine hats, vintage with style, no doubt.

    Anyway, I digress (sp?). Actually, I’m working on a children’s story (hope to be book if the economy ever rebounds) and the hats help me as I work through the various characters. So, there is a method to my madness.

    I suggest, Al, that you should let Erin shop until she is in a state of bliss, as this is always advantageous for any male involved in a woman’s shopping expeditions.

    And, thank you. I’m recovering nicely and will be back up to my usual speed by tomorrow! Yippeee!

    On a more serious note, Al, it would seem to me that it would be very sobering for people of good character to have to wonder if their chosen candidate was on the take with Chicage political mobsters. While I know that many politicians feel the need to play the evils of politics, I have faith that there are some who truly try to maintain integrity while serving this great land and people.

    It should be of even a greater concern to those who are responsible for a “candidate” to make into the White House, and yet he can’t even get in the front door without tracking his dirt in. I always say if you follow the dirt you will find the pig.

  325. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Oh, and Al, the answer would have to be “black”– a black hat would be the only answer… with a tiny veil to hide the tears of grief as our great lady of liberty falls to her knees. Definately a black hat for such a day of infamy in American history.

  326. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Indy, I agree with you! I saw this during the erection–and no, that’s not a mis-speak or misspelling– it was the day the American people got scr3wed! Websites, youtubes, information all disappearing from the web faster than you could say obamanation.

    Powder is dry–

  327. j.b. Says:

    Hey, Indy, you must have missed my earlier inquiry: What did Glenn have to say that was so inspiring?
    I really wanna know. Thanks in advance. 🙂

  328. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Well, Rahm Emmanuel had a chance to do something great for Israel, to help protect her from the anti-messiah–Obama…it’s sad he is corrupt! I believe RE was the token Jew for the Jewish vote– he’s reputed to be an anti-semitic Jew at that.

    Michelle: What was that bump under the tire?

    Hitler Hussein Obama: that would be Israel…

  329. Foxtrot Says:

    Pep- I am back for a quick peek, but you are a children’s writer? My Mom is one as well. She has had mostly short stories published for many years, in several publications. She is always saying how tough it is to get published!

  330. Lyn Says:

    telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/3726277/Barack-Obama-aide-named-in-Illinois-scandal.html
    Sources close to the investigation said Rahm Emanuel, the new chief of staff, had conversations about the issue with Rod Blagojevich and John Harris, the governor’s chief aide who is also facing corruption charges.

    It is claimed that at one point he even gave them a list of acceptable candidates to take over the vacant seat.

    Suspicion has grown that Mr Emanuel is the unnamed “Washington based adviser” mentioned in the 76-page prosecutors’ affidavit that Mr Blagojevich ordered his chief of staff to contact.

    Mr Obama, who takes office on Jan 20, has vehemently denied any of his staff were involved in deal-making and has promised to reveal any contact between members of his team and the governor’s office.

    The sources close to the investigation did not say Mr Emanuel had discussed any deals, but even being on receiving end of corrupt demands could be damaging to him and Mr Obama. The sources told Fox News that it was likely the discussions were recorded.

    The President-Elect pledged a new brand of politics during his campaign and could be embroiled in the scandal if it turns out any illegal approaches were not swiftly reported to the police.

    more

  331. Foxtrot Says:

    sliderblaze Says:

    December 12, 2008 at 8:40 pm
    the wheels on the bus go blump blump blump, ….
    ===========

    Slider, this comment above literally made me laugh out loud! Too funny!

  332. j.b. Says:

    THIS IS FROM CRAIGS LIST-Best Of Edition………

    I think it’s hilarious! Off topic, but so worth it.

    Originally Posted: Thu, 20 Nov 00:49 PST

    To the wingnut who stole my Obama/Biden magnet and left a note – w4m

    ——————————————————————————–
    Date: 2008-11-20, 12:49AM PST

    I was really angry when I got to my car, which was minding its own business parked in the Barnes & Noble parking lot, and I saw that someone had stolen my precious Obama magnet! I waited more than 2 months for that magnet to come in the mail!!

    But then as I was driving home I noticed a small white paper flapping in the breeze under my windshield wiper. I pulled over to retrieve it and it was a sloppily-scribbled, psychotic expression of your wingnut political beliefs. I do not care about your paranoid mental disorder (I quote: “Are you ready to give up your freedom? It’s COMING MORON!!”)

    You stole my magnet. I want it back. I’ll give you 24 hours to put it back on my scion, which will be parked there tomorrow… or I will take the scrap of Wells Fargo bank statement you wrote your wing-note on to my friend who works for Wells Fargo. She will scan the barcode on the corner of your note and tell me who you are. And I will come steal something YOU value, perhaps your fingernail clipping collection or John McCain blow-up doll!

    You have until sundown Thursday, douchbag!

    it’s NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
    PostingID: 926611821

  333. Foxtrot Says:

    I think Rahm will go under the bus for Obama, unlike the Gov or Harris!

  334. Foxtrot Says:

    I am telling you people . . . unless Obama himself is on the tape recording, he WILL get away with this! You can take that to your nearest bank that is going under!

  335. thinkingmom11 Says:

    I just saw a picture of Bush in an article. He looks so old and tired. The burden he has borne over the last 8 years has taken its toll on him as it has other presidents. It causes me to wonder why anyone would want the job. The media is ruthless if it doesn’t like you, you can hardly please anyone, much less everyone, and half the world hates your guts no matter who you are. It is a brutal position to be in. I am not sure that anyone in their right mind would care to be in such a pickle.

    politico.com/news/stories/1208/16523.html

    I am from Texas and I like George Bush as a person but have many a beef with him as a politician. The toll the job takes on a man is evident on his face. I noticed the same thing with Bush 41 and Clinton as well.

  336. Foxtrot Says:

    This just posted on obamacrimes.
    ============

    May have been a rumor at 1126am, but since that time, there has been a posting on the US Supreme Court site
    http://www.supremecourtus.gov/…208zr.pdf

    of the cases where cert was granted today the 12th. Wrotnowski is not in them, just like Donofrio was not in the 120508 “granted orders”.

    “All in” money has to be on Wrotnowksi appearing on the 121508 Denied list.

  337. Foxtrot Says:

    This just posted on obamacrimes.
    ============

    May have been a rumor at 1126am, but since that time, there has been a posting on the US Supreme Court site
    supremecourtus.gov/…208zr.pdf

    of the cases where cert was granted today the 12th. Wrotnowski is not in them, just like Donofrio was not in the 120508 “granted orders”.

    “All in” money has to be on Wrotnowksi appearing on the 121508 Denied list.

  338. j.b. Says:

    Well, Rahm Emmanuel had a chance to do something great for Israel, to help protect her from the anti-messiah–Obama…it’s sad he is corrupt! I believe RE was the token Jew for the Jewish vote– he’s reputed to be an anti-semitic Jew at that.

    Michelle: What was that bump under the tire?

    Hitler Hussein Obama: that would be Israel…

    Yeah, and I don’t trust anyone who remains married, yet chooses to hang out with gay men in Boystown, Ill.
    Does that make me a prude? Okay. Whatever, but at least I’m not a lying, cheating, closet smoking, bi-sexual, or flat out closet gay thug trying to convince the WORLD otherwise!

  339. Foxtrot Says:

    This is a very interesting post from Linda Starr. Good argument!
    =====================
    written by Linda Starr, December 12, 2008

    Some people can’t seem to grasp the notion that he never held US citizenship when he was born in Mombasa, Kenya. US law stipulates he would have been a citizen of Kenya, subject of the UK until Dec 12, 1963, when Kenya became an independent nation. When he was adopted or legally acknowledged by Lolo Soetoro, he would have become a citizen of Indonesia and los this Kenyan citizenship. He was registered fraudulently in Hawaii since his mother either lied about her age, or the clerk made a terrible mistake. But at any rate, his foreign birth registration would not be valid. Hence, he was NEVER a US citizen.

    Further, he claimed before he went to Pakistan, he stopped in Indonesia to visit his mother and sister. The problem is his mother returned to Hawaii and filed for divorce from Soetoro.in the papers she listed on child of the parties as under 18 and one over 18. We have reason to believe he was there renewing his Indonesian passport, meaning he had to make an Oath of Allegiance to Indonesia, now that we know his mother and sister were in Hawaii. Taking such an oath after the age of 18 is an expatriating act, especially the way the laws were in Indonesia and the UN.

  340. j.b. Says:

    Exactly, which is why Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama is an ILLEGAL ALIEN!
    I heard and have been believing this since the first time I heard it months (?) ago! (feels like years…..)

  341. rosettasister Says:

    This was in moderation and I would like to post with my reply.

    koyaan
    Submitted on 2008/12/12 at 9:02pm

    rosettasister wrote:

    I’ve never understood why koyaan couldn’t disagree with Polarik w/o calling Polarik a “liar.”

    I don’t call people liars who I simply disagree with.

    I’m pretty sure Polarik believes everything he’s published.

    You’re free to believe what you want. The man is quite simply dishonest.
    Honest people don’t create sockpuppets and post maniacal rants to lead others to believe that someone else is defending them, as he did over on my blog

    http://koyaan.wordpress.com/2008/09/18/polariks-final-report-pt-1/#comment-614

    back in October.

    Koyaan, I’d really like to know.

    How did you happen to get your hands on the info I was looking for, the info to which you referred in your first comment here?

    I could answer that. But wouldn’t you rather see the Berg’s filing?

    k

    “Honest people don’t create sockpuppets and post maniacal rants to lead others to believe that someone else is defending them”

    koyaan, even if everything you’re saying is true, which of course I would have no way of knowing, that in and of itself wouldn’t necessarily negate all of Polarik’s findings.

    I find nothing wrong with you spelling out exactly where you differ from Polarik.

    But I do know that Polarik’s findings are at least a part of Berg’s case and I still choose to have faith in the merits.

    “But wouldn’t you rather see the Berg’s filing?”

    Yes, of course.
    I would like to reiterate what some here have already stated.

    Why would Obama spend so much money just to prevent having to publicly display a piece of paper?

    Rosetta

    BTW, the reason your post went into moderation is because you included a workable link. If you want to avoid that just post something like this:

    koyaan.wordpress.com/2008/09/18/polariks-final-report-pt-1/#comment-614

  342. indy500 Says:

    peppermintpatty777 Says:
    December 12, 2008 at 9:22 pm
    ___________________________________
    No doubt! Happened way before the presedential election. 0 had all candidates taken off the ballot in his first senate run. The force is with him. However, deflections off a tinfoil source may be blinding his ambitions for total domination. After all, this false messiah doesn’t seem to me have all his 6’s covered.

    j.b. Says:
    December 12, 2008 at 9:26 pm:
    ________________________________________
    Beck is freakin awesome! Get ready ready for the time of your life!

    Powder is dry and locked and loaded!

  343. Tenacity Says:

    Troy,
    the link you posted above: koyaan.wordpress.com/2008/10/25/phil-berg-associate-linda-starr-commits-criminal-act-on-bergs-obama-crimes-website/ is showing an error 404 and may have been moved or scrubbed. From reading the disjointed irrational posts on that site, I’d say this person is an expert at wasting people’s time.

  344. rosettasister Says:

    I have to go out and find something suitable to wear to Christmas party tonight.

    I know some of you have been feeling under the weather.

    God Willing get well soon and get out there and evoke some Christmas cheer!.

    New Thread:

    https://rosettasister.wordpress.com/2008/12/12/the-real-superhumans-and-the-quest-for-the-future-fantastic/

  345. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Linda’s arguement is fine but without proof (rock solid – not just speculation). If she doesn’t have a Kenyan/Zanzibar/British Birth certificate, an Indonesian passport or some other documentation proving any of her claims she is just guessing and speculating with the rest of us. Wanting to believe something does not make it true. Now, I am hoping that maybe she is alluding to some of the evidence she has claimed to have dug up – but I just don’t know…

  346. Lyn Says:

    Did everyone read the link I posted abouve about the JJ Jr fundraiser sat for Blago? here is another little bit from it chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-blagojevich-jackson12dec12,0,6420556.story
    The two businessmen who spoke to the Tribune on the condition of anonymity said they did so because they were afraid of repercussions in the close-knit and politically active Indian business community.
    One said Nayak and Bedi told him and others of their plan to help Jackson.

    The second said he overheard Nayak and Bedi discussing plans with Bhatt, the Joliet pharmacist..

    “Raghu said he needed to raise a million for Rod to make sure Jesse got the seat,” the second businessman said. “He said, ‘I can raise half of it, $500,000.’ The idea was that the other two would help raise the rest.”

    Bhatt, whose two Basinger’s Pharmacy outlets were searched by the FBI last week, has been the focus of a state and federal investigations into whether campaign donations were made in exchange for regulatory favors.

    Bhatt is a prominent Indian businessman who helped the state’s top pharmacy regulator win his job. The Tribune reported last year that state pharmacy auditors probing allegations of Medicaid fraud at Basinger’s complained that their bosses thwarted the investigation, allegations Bhatt has adamantly denied in interviews with the Tribune

  347. koyaan Says:

    thinkingmom11 wrote:

    You seem to have a particular beef with Polarik. Or am I assuming too much?

    Generally I just have a beef with bullshit. It’s just that Polarik dishes out far more than most.

    I would be very interested in your stand here. Are you an Obama supporter and do you believe that the US Constitution should be followed?

    Depends what you mean by “Obama supporter.”

    I didn’t vote for him if that’s what you mean.

    And if speaking out against bullshit claims made which have to do with him make me an “Obama supporter,” then I guess I’m an Obama supporter. Just as I was a “Bush supporter” back during the Dan Rather/Texas Air National Guard forgery issue.

    Should Obama release to officials his long form birth certificate?

    If any official asks for it, sure.

    Is Obama an honest man?

    I don’t know.

    k

  348. koyaan Says:

    rosettasister wrote:

    koyaan, even if everything you’re saying is true, which of course I would have no way of knowing, that in and of itself wouldn’t necessarily negate all of Polarik’s findings.

    Well, let me just say that I haven’t found any of Polarik’s findings to have had any merit to them. If you’ve any specifically in mind, I’d be happy to explain why.

    But I do know that Polarik’s findings are at least a part of Berg’s case and I still choose to have faith in the merits.

    That’s incorrect.

    None of Polarik’s findings have ever been part of Berg’s case.

    Only Techdude’s findings have ever been part of Berg’s case. Specifically, Techdude’s claim that Obama’s COLB was created using his sister Maya’s, and that you can still see her name in the scanned image.

    Of course Techdude has long been shown to have been a fraud who fabricated his “analysis.” Even Polarik has stated this.

    Yet even after this was known, and even after Polarik insisted that he had told Berg of this, Berg continues to state that false claim. He did so not long ago when he was on the Michael Savage program.

    This just further proves that Berg has absolutely no interest in the truth.

    But the salient point here is that none of Polarik’s findings have ever been part of Berg’s suit.

    Yes, of course.
    I would like to reiterate what some here have already stated.

    Why would Obama spend so much money just to prevent having to publicly display a piece of paper?

    Again, you’ll have to ask Obama.

    But he hasn’t really spent much money on this, in spite of the claims by others that he has spent as much as a million dollars. All Obama’s attorneys have done throughout all of this is just file a few boilerplate motions to dismiss.

    Also, it’s worth nothing that the piece of paper he’s already displayed publicly was written off as a forgery.

    BTW, the reason your post went into moderation is because you included a workable link. If you want to avoid that just post something like this:

    Weird.

    It’s just the opposite on my blog, which is also a WordPress blog.

    If someone just pastes a URL, Akismet tags it as spam and I have to de-spam it. If they post it as an HTML anchor tag, as I did in my post here, it goes through just fine.

    Again, weird.

    k

  349. koyaan Says:

    Tenacity wrote:

    Troy,
    the link you posted above: koyaan.wordpress.com/2008/10/25/phil-berg-associate-linda-starr-commits-criminal-act-on-bergs-obama-crimes-website/ is showing an error 404 and may have been moved or scrubbed. From reading the disjointed irrational posts on that site, I’d say this person is an expert at wasting people’s time.

    I removed it because the page on Berg’s site where Linda Starr had said what she did had been scrubbed (rather like the article where Berg claimed that Techdude was one of his experts, even though his assistant publicly stated later–in other words lied–that he never was).

    Basically what Linda Starr had said was that taking up arms against the government of the United States and initiating a civil war was an act of patriotism.

    Specifically she said:

    The judge was wrong and the decision will be overturned by the Supreme Court. Phil has enough proof to order Obama to produce the documents.

    Failure to overturn it will guarantee a Constitutional crisis and ensuing Civil War when patriotic citizens take up arms to prevent the illegal alien, Barack Hussein Obama from remaining on the ballot.

    This is a criminal act under Title 18, Section 2385 of the United States Code, which reads:

    Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government…

    k

  350. koyaan Says:

    thinkingmom11 wrote:

    JB – I would be interested in knowing how IT (that’s for you cindy 🙂 ) got ahold of those docs…K (Steve Ellis) doesn’t seem like he would be someone berg would trust…wouldn’t trust anything from a troll

    Er, Steve Ellis?

    You obviously got that name from Polarik.

    Poor kid just can’t get anything right. We’d been exchanging EMails for a month when he wrote that.

    It’s Steve Eddy, not Steve Ellis.

    k

  351. koyaan Says:

    thinkingmom11 wrote:

    Koy – do you think the Certification of Live Birth posted was,/i> authentic (meaning based on true facts, not a created or altered image) or do you just have a problem with what polarik says? What is your take on the COLB?

    My take on the COLB is pretty simple. I’ve yet to see any credible evidence showing that it’s anything other than the real McCoy issued by the state of Hawaii.

    k

  352. koyaan Says:

    Troy wrote:

    Last time I checked FactCheck.org isn’t a politician.

    They don’t have to be a politician. They’re a public entity. The distinction is between public and private.

    k

  353. koyaan Says:

    sliderblaze wrote:

    Koyaan, i’m sure you’ll find there are three things that need to be proved for libel and if polarik was lying, all three would be easily proved by obama.

    And how exactly would Obama prove actual malice?

    k

  354. koyaan Says:

    sliderblaze wrote:

    when i see a weak arguement like that as a way to discredit someone, i smell troll. Thats questioning someone’s integrity without even knowing them, that wreaks of partisonship

    It’s just a statement of the reality. The chances of Polarik ever seeing the inside of a courtroom in this case are virtually nil. And again, it’s easy to talk big when you don’t really have anything on the line.

    As for integrity, what integrity? How can anyone who hides behind a fake name have any sort of integrity in any meaningful sense of the word? If the going gets tough, you can simply disappear, since no one knew who you were in the first place. Just like Techdude did.

    As for partisanship, that’s a laugh. I coined the term “Political Industrial Complex” to describe the Democratic and Republican parties and refuse to vote for any candidate on any Democratic or Republican ticket.

    k

  355. koyaan Says:

    j.b. wrote:

    Welcome, Koyaan. What is it you’d like to share here?
    Please pardon the initial trepidation. Sometimes visitors make us suspicious. Please share with us what you feel comfortable with from that PDF OF BERG’S secondary or tertiary lawsuit.
    Thank you.
    🙂

    Thank you, j.b.!

    Don’t worry about me. I’ve been discussing politics online for some 25 years now. The greenhorns here ain’t gonna scare me off. 😉

    As for Berg’s DC lawsuit, I’ll post the PDF when I get caught up here. So look for it later this evening (keeping in mind I’m on Pacific time).

    k

  356. koyaan Says:

    sliderblaze wrote:

    agreed, he should just make his own blog, post his “goods” and let people read it for themselves, that usually what people who have substance do,

    Been there. Done that. Got the t-shirt.

    k

  357. Linda Starr Says:

    Rosetta: “Foxtrot sent me…”

  358. Linda Starr Says:

    Rosetta: “Foxtrot sent me…”

  359. whatafoolbelieves1 Says:

    I am doing a happy dance! Rahm Emmanuel is sleazy to the core. Remember his whacko behavior with the steak knives? I am thinking that this will seriously damage Obama’s credibility. You know that Emmanuel was brokering something that didn’t come to fruition. Why else would Brago be angry enough to call Obama an M-fr.?

  360. koyaan Says:

    Foxtrot wrote:

    Okay, Koyaan, but that only explains that one element that Polarik brought up (the halo-ing). What about the myriad of other things, such as his sister’s name coming up underneath on the certificate?

    That claim was made by Techdude. Who again was a fraud who fabricated his analysis. That Obama’s COLB was made using his sister’s was nothing but pure fantasy on Techdude’s part.

    He was supposed to do a “final report” where he said he would show her name in the image, but that’s when he up and disappeared, leaving those who supported him holding the bag.

    Both TexasDarlin and NoQuarter removed his articles they had published. The only people still promoting him are Phil Berg and Pam Gellar of Atlas Shrugs.

    k

  361. koyaan Says:

    justanamericancindy4 wrote:

    he has many times said that he wasn’t talking about halo’s but about the dots between the letters

    They’re all part and parcel of the same thing.

    And again, in six months he has never demonstrated his claim that the phenomenon is caused by overlaying text on an existing image. He makes it wholly without substantiation.

    k

  362. koyaan Says:

    jjones wrote:

    Koyaan,
    “Zoom of JPEG Processed Image” does not display, do you have another link?

    Weird.

    I just checked them all.

    The JPEG processed image doesn’t display in the WordPress “SNAP” thingie, but it does display if you open the link in a new tab.

    Anyway, here it is again:

    k

  363. koyaan Says:

    sliderblaze wrote:

    Ok, i just took a green piece of paper, typed BIRTH on it, scanned it, blew it up, NO HALOS, i’m an artist and i do i did my first drawing on the computer 10 yrs ago and have been doing it ever since……

    Let’s see the scanned image.

    Also, what size font did you use, what resolution did you scan it at, and what make/model scanner did you use?

    when i layer my drawing, i sometimes get halos, whether it’s typed or on just a solid line i need, i go in and fill in the pixels one at a time.

    Let’s see an example of this.

    Also, what graphics software are you using that creates this and what steps do you take to create it?

    k

  364. koyaan Says:

    Troy wrote:

    I personally watched someone make a fake doc., not going to say what type of doc just use your imagination, it’s not hard to figure out….The pixel problem between the letters was exactly as Polarik stated, upon close examination.

    That’s funny. I’ve done the same thing.

    No pixel problems between the letters.

    Here, see for yourself:

    All of the “printed” elements in this image (i.e. everything except the background) were created from scratch and placed on a background made up from the background of the scanned image of Obama’s COLB.

    Zoom in on it and tell us where you see the pixel problems between the letters.

    Again, I have not been able to recreate this “pixel problem” in the process of overlaying text and other graphics on an existing background, nor has anyone, including Polarik, provided any example of it.

    k

  365. koyaan Says:

    thinkingmom11 wrote:

    Just think, even if that certificate is real (meaning from the State of Hawaii, compleltely unaltered, and official) it isn’t even good enough for the State of Hawaii as proof of Hawaiian birth.

    hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl

    When you apply for the Hawaii Homelands Program, you’re not just proving your birth, you’re proving your Hawaiian ancestry.

    A Certification of Live Birth is perfectly fine for proving your birth. That the Hawaiian Homelands Program doesn’t accept a Certification of Live Birth isn’t because it doesn’t prove where you were born. It’s because it doesn’t give the birthplaces of your parents. The Certificate of Live Birth does.

    And where Obama’s parents were born is irrelevant as to establishing where he was born.

    k

  366. koyaan Says:

    jjones wrote:

    Koyaan, do you have anything on the fold lines?

    Yes.

    The clue as to why the lower fold didn’t appear in the scanned image is found in the fact that the top fold and bottom folds are two different folds.

    By that I mean the top fold has the top third of the sheet folded backward onto the back side of the sheet, whereas the bottom fold has the bottom third of the sheet folded inward onto the front side of the sheet.

    When the top fold was made, the paper fibers on the face of the sheet were stretched. When unfolded, these stretched fibers have no place to go but up, forming rather significant ridges.

    When the bottom fold was made, the paper fibers on the face of the sheet were compressed, which will also form ridges. However in this case, when unfolded, the force of the unfolding decompresses the fibers.

    The result is that the residual ridges in the bottom fold are significantly smaller than those of the top fold.

    Take a look at the ridges of the top fold from one of the FactCheck photographs:

    Now compare to the ridges of the bottom fold:

    Notice how much smaller these ridges are.

    I cropped this from a portion near the embossed seal to show that the ridges of the bottom fold are much smaller than the ridges created by the embosser.

    The significance of this is the fact that the only way the scanner can pick up these ridges is by way of the shadows they create from the light source in the scanner.

    Taller ridges will produce more prominent shadows, shorter ridges will produce less prominent shadows.

    The ridges of the bottom fold were much smaller than those of the top fold and simply didn’t cast a prominent enough shadow for it to be picked up during the scan.

    This is further evidenced by the embossed seal.

    The embossed seal is in fact visible in the high resolution FactCheck scan, albeit just a portion of it. Namely the upper right portion. It gradually disappears from the scanned image down toward the lower left.

    Now compare to the embossed seal as shown in the photographs:

    Notice how the depth of the embossing gets shallower and shallower toward the lower left portion.

    Even though it’s visible in the photograph due to the low angle of incident lighting, a scanner’s light source is normal to the paper and won’t produce any shadows to speak of.

    k

  367. koyaan Says:

    Troy wrote:

    Did you not see that Polarik said that in light of this new info that it still did not change his findings?

    Sure did.

    But since his findings are erroneous to begin with, it’s a rather moot point.

    k

  368. koyaan Says:

    peppermintpatty777 wrote:

    I’m still waiting on the c.v., K.

    Here, I’ll give you as much of a c.v. as Polarik has provided:

    k

  369. koyaan Says:

    sliderblaze wrote:

    also, your “halo’s” seem to be only one pixel deep, where the Colb seems to be multiple pixels deep, leaving no green between letters on the Colb, yours has green

    You can’t expect an exact replication when using paper with a solid color, a different scanner and different scanner settings.

    Look, here’s a genuine COLB issued earlier this year to a gal named Michele who requested it from Hawaii specifically so it could be used for comparison purposes to Obama’s.

    This image is on Polarik’s own PhotoBucket album:

    Michele's COLB after she tracing over the Seal with pencil

    Zoom in on it and you’ll find virtually the same “pixel problems.” Not quite as prominent as on Obama’s because the scanner settings were a bit different making the background color between the green hatch pattern more green than in the Obama image, which is “whiter.”

    Here’s a blowup comparing the two:

    I’m telling you, there’s simply nothing about the pixels in the scanned image of the Obama COLB that is inconsistent with scanner and JPEG artifacts.

    k

  370. koyaan Says:

    jjones wrote:

    Koyaan, please provide your qualification… I’ll be willing to take them at face value

    Ok, fair ’nuff.

    I have some 25 years of experience with digital graphics and imaging, both bitmap and vector based as well as 2D and 3D CAD. I’m proficient with PhotoShop, Paint Shop Pro, CorelDRAW!, Xara Xtreme Pro, AutoCAD, 3DSMax (formerly 3D Studio), and SolidWorks.

    Here’s a smattering of a variety of stuff I’ve done recently.

    Website for a friend of mine who makes audio transformers:

    http://www.magnequest.us/

    A little something I cobbled together to slam a guy selling cheap counterfeits of my friend’s transformers:

    A parody of a feature in Us magazine I did for my niece and her boyfriend:

    Mock up of a retail package design for some other friends of mine:

    A simple GIF animation of a SolidWorks-rendered turntable stand for a friend of mine who makes outrageously expensive turntables:

    An “exploded” view (rendered in SolidWorks) of the turntable base, bearing sleeve, bearing, platter, and platter insert:

    And just for nostalgia’s sake, going back nearly 20 years, a couple of capacitors created in an old DOS version of 3D Studio:

    So there you have it.

    k

  371. koyaan Says:

    And last, but not least, the PDF of Berg’s complaint in the Washington, DC District Court:

    http://www.q-audio.com/berg_complaint.pdf

    Happy reading!

    k

  372. kaisak onisuka Says:

    Not much changed on this site today except that the some of the s.e’s seem to have been watching too many re-runs of CSI.
    Sliderblaze continues his hyperactive futile monstering of any perceived “enemy” with the same old diet of infantile abuse.
    I consider myself a compassionate man and so would hope that this site lasts a good long time, as it is apparent that Sliderblaze is incapable of forming or keeping friendships in the real world. No wonder he is on here so much where he has a few “mates” as immature as he is, as they happily pat each other on the back for some gross sexual slur made, or some feeble back-firing attempt at humour made.

  373. rosettasister Says:

    rosettasister Says:
    December 13, 2008 at 4:46 pm edit

    Good morning, America! How are you?!

    It might be easier to follow the dialogue here if we’re all on the same page.

    I don’t care if we’re off topic.

    https://rosettasister.wordpress.com/2008/12/12/the-real-superhumans-and-the-quest-for-the-future-fantastic/

  374. rosettasister Says:

    Linda Starr Says:
    December 13, 2008 at 1:20 am

    Rosetta: “Foxtrot sent me…”

    ———————-

    Linda, thank you for posting here.

    Sorry it took me so long to get to you.

    Only first comments are moderated.

    I hope you see this.

    Also if you want to post a link, post something like this:

    rosettasister.wordpress.com

    no http

    no www

    no “blue”

    Thanks again

    Rosetta

  375. coffee fiend Says:

    i’m hoping Blagojevich will inspire Congress to finally grow a pair and start doing what’s best for the people they represent (by putting this guy away for a long time)

  376. rosettasister Says:

    coffee fiend Says:
    January 7, 2009 at 8:30 am

    i’m hoping Blagojevich will inspire Congress to finally grow a pair and start doing what’s best for the people they represent (by putting this guy away for a long time)

    ————————-

    Welcome, coffee fiend!

    We’re currently on most recent thread:

    https://rosettasister.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/bach-beethoven-mozart-and-me/

    You should be able to post at will now.

    Rosetta

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