“Whispering campaign questions Obama’s citizenship” By Andy Barr

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obamanatcitizen

(Posting entire article instead of excerpt as it seemed to be disappearing, or maybe I’m just paranoid!)

http://www.nebraska.tv/Global/story.asp?S=9475709&nav=menu605_2

Even with the election decided, the widely debunked whisper campaign claiming that Barack Obama is secretly not an American, and thus not qualified to be president, is going strong.

The Supreme Court is expected to announce on Monday whether or not it will consider two cases contending that Barack Obama is not a “natural born citizen,” as the president is required to be under Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution. One case, referred to the court by Justice Clarence Thomas after Justice David Souter had rejected it, argues that because Obama’s father was a citizen of Kenya, at the time a British colony, the president-elect was born with dual citizenship. The other, filed by Attorney Phillip J. Berg, effectively contends that Obama has outright lied about having been born on American soil.

At least four of the court’s nine judges must approve before a case is heard, and the great majority of the petitions brought before the Court are dismissed without comment. Still, it’s further grist for what’s been an active conspiracy mill.

“I think there are just a lot of people who just want to believe it,” said Paul Waldman, who has studied the conspiracy theories over Obama’s citizenship for Media Matters.

Waldman said that like with the claims that the Clintons killed White House Counsel Vince Foster, a certain segment of the population will continue to believe Obama won on illegitimate grounds no matter how often the claim is disproved.

“When something gets refuted there a certain number of people that just won’t believe it,” he said. “If they are predisposed to believe it, refuting it will have no impact.”

For those who believe the story, Obama’s electoral victory is a constitutional and legal crisis of epic proportions that is not being given its fair due in the press or in the courts.

“This is the biggest attempted hoax in the history of our country,” insists Berg, whose suit aimed to compel Obama and the Democratic National Committee to produce the candidate’s birth certificate and other documents – which he does not believe exist.

Berg, who served as both counsel and plantiff, had his suit dismissed in U.S. district court in October. He then filed a writ of certiorari asking the Supreme Court to take on the case.

The attorney, who identifies himself as a “solid Democrat,” believes that “they really have to take a look at it.”

“Obama and Howard Dean should all be criminally indicted, tried and criminally jailed,” he added.

Berg has been aided in his legal quest by a lose affiliation of internet-based groups, conservative media outlets and viral messages backing his claim.

Each week a small group of people running websites and blogs dedicated to the story participate in a conference call to discuss the latest news and how to advance the story. Between 5 and 10 people call in, most of whom know little about each other except for their shared interest in Obama’s citizenship.

One of the frequent participants in the conference calls is Bob Schultz, who heads the “We the People Foundation” which has raised tens of thousands of dollars raising questions about Obama’s background and promoting Berg’s legal action with full-page ads in the Washington Times, Chicago Tribune and the conservative newspaper Human Events. The group is now eyeing buys in the New York Post and USA Today.

Schultz’s Web site,

http://www.givemeliberty.org/

which had previously been dedicated to promoting Rep. Ron Paul’s (R-Texas) insurgent presidential campaign, hosts an array of documents and web videos offering conflicting arguments – that Obama was born outside of the United States, or that he lost his citizenship upon moving to Indonesia with his mother and step father and then must have re-entered the United States illegally.

The claim has reverberated in conservative media outlets, especially talk radio. According to Media Matters, conservative radio hosts Michael Savage, Brian Sussman, Lars Larson, Bob Grant, Jim Quinn, Rose Tennent and Mark Davis (who was guest-hosting for Rush Limbaugh) have all repeated the widely discredited claim.

“We’re getting ready for the Communist takeover of America with a noncitizen at the helm – I love it,” Savage said during an episode of his nationally syndicated radio show “Savage Nation.”

“He won’t even produce a birth certificate. Don’t you love that?” he continued. “Something as basic as Obama’s birth certificate now is an issue. I mean, if he’s got nothing to hide, show it to me. Doesn’t exist. It does not exist. They can’t find it in the Hawaii government. It’s never been produced. The one that was produced is a forgery.”

Jerome Corsi, author of “The Obama Nation,” has taken up the cause, promoting the story through articles on the right-wing Web site World Net Daily. Corsi, who also penned “Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry,” was expelled from Kenya when he traveled during the campaign to investigate Obama’s birth and also touts “deep secret ties between Obama” and Kenyan Prime Minister Raila Odinga.

In June, the Obama campaign released digital photos of the Democrat’s certification of live birth in Hawaii, a document the director of the state’s department of health later confirmed as authentic. Based on the materials released by the Obama campaign, FactCheck.org and dozens of mainstream media outlets put the story to rest, but those who buy in doubt the authenticity of the document and want more proof of the president-elect’s citizenship.

But skeptics note that FactCheck.org is funded by the Annenberg Foundation, the same group that funded the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, on whose board Obama sat with Weatherman founder William Ayers.

They also ask why he’s yet to present the physical document, or his medical and other personal records. “If he had produced it at that time I would have gone away,” Berg said. “But he didn’t produce it.”

Schultz too says he would likely drop his pursuit of the story if he saw documentation that satisfied his questions. “I really like the guy, I think he is just what this country needs,” he said. “But there is this eligibility question.”

The Obama and DNC legal teams have so far successfully argued that the suits do not have standing because the plaintiffs cannot demonstrate that they would be caused “irreparable harm” if the birth certificate and other documents are not released. DNC lawyers defending the president-elect in these suits did not want to comment, noting the Obama is a defendant in several pending cases. Obama’s campaign too chose not to comment.

In a suit filed against the state of Hawaii hoping to compel the state to release the president-elect’s birth certificate, conservative author Andy Martin, who has unsuccessfully run for political office over a dozen times, was denied standing by circuit court judge Bert Ayabe.

The judge found that Martin failed to demonstrate irreparable harm, adding that he “does not have a direct and tangible interest in the vital statistic records being sought, namely the birth certificate of President Obama.”

Regardless of their legal standing, the group continues to press the claim.

“This issue is not going to go away unless it is settled one way or another,” Schultz said.

Waldman, though, doubts the skeptics can be convinced, no matter what evidence is produced. “There is nothing much you can do to reach these people,” Waldman said. “No matter how many times you tell them the truth they will continue to believe this.”

cao

From hollywood7

Website: http://caosblog.com

This video features the recording and translation of an interview conducted by Bishop Ron McRae of the Anabaptist Churches of North America of Sarah Obama (Barack Obama’s grandmother) with Kweli Shuhubia translating where Bishop McRae asks Sarah Obama if she was present at Barack Obama’s birth in Kenya.

“Wild Day in DC Monday 12-08-08

http://www.freedommarch.org/Wild_Day.html

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Phil Berg Barack Obama Ron Polarik Jeff Schreiber

339 Responses to ““Whispering campaign questions Obama’s citizenship” By Andy Barr”

  1. Tenacity Says:

    who is 1st?

  2. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    2nd?

  3. Tenacity Says:

    I want a Peanut Butter-Banana Crunch Roll for being first!

  4. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    repost from other thread
    _________
    ladylib

    Actually it’s not Burg’s press conference it’s from the “We the People” organization that ran the ad in the Chicago Tribune.

    Burg, Leo and Orly are supposed to be there.

    We don’t know who will be showing up and covering it

  5. Tenacity Says:

    Leo has said that he was never a part of the press conference.

  6. ladyliberty Says:

    Thanks JAC!

  7. ladyliberty Says:

    I am sure it will at least make it to youtube!

  8. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Here is a pdf list of the media contacted about the press release

    wethepeoplefoundation.org/UPDATE/misc2008/Press-Release-LIST-12-4-08.pdf

  9. sliderblaze Says:

    aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

  10. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Tenacity

    I took that from the We the People’s website….. they said Leo would be there……. so I don’t know

  11. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Tenacity

    dang you,……. lol……. now I keep thinking about grilled peanut butter and banana sandwishes

  12. sliderblaze Says:

    So, the people who did my trash/garbage removal of the demolition, BROKE INTO MY HOUSE AND ROBBED ME,

    GONE, 2 LCD TV’S, STEREO, BANANA REP. OVERCOAT, 2 DVD PLAYERS, MITER SAW, 2k BRACELET, SNOWBOARDING JACKET, COMPUTER.

    CAN YOU SAY, LAWSUIT…YAI YAI

  13. jc Says:

    Tenacity,
    Are you saying that a stay can be denied but the certiorari could still be alive?

  14. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    ouchhhhhhhhhh

    sorry to hear that slider

  15. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Jc

    wnd took it to mean that they will not hear the case at all

  16. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Is anyone reminded of Thomas Dolby (She blinded me with Science) with that pic up there of Bobama

  17. sliderblaze Says:

    yeah, i’m pissed

  18. thinkingmom11 Says:

    THat SUX slider – you have definite proof of who it was, I am assuming? Hope so. Hard to get police to give a rip unless YOU come up with proof in a robbery…stupid. Hope you have serial numbers on your stuff – that is helpful… I actually got a stolen bike back once because the police busted someone with a bunch of bikes and since I had given them a number – I got it back.

  19. rosettasister Says:

    “Obama birth challenge refuted by SCOTUS”

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/12/post_148.html

    Thomas Lifson

    Let me get this straight. We are about to swear in a new President without checking his actual birth certificate — something many jobs require. Whatever you think about what the media call the “whispering campaign” about Barack Obama’s alleged failure to meet the Constitution’s “natural born citizen” requirement for the presidency, isn’t it a bit odd not to even check to see that the requirement has been met.

    The Supreme Court just decided not to touch the issue in the Donofrio case : “The application for stay … is denied” and that is that. And virtually everyone is much relieved about it.

    This issue has been successfully kookified, labeled as unworthy of attention. This started out normally, with the mainstream media ignoring the issue, or treating it as tin-foil hat material. Then it got eerie as even conservative talk radio ignored it. Finally, new-media, solid conservatives like Michelle Malkin and David Horowitz dismissed the issue and joined the MSM in treating doubters as tin-foiers (Michelle even ran a picture of a man in such a hat with her article on the matter).

    Needless to say, the questioners will not be persuaded by the court and media, and will continue to press their case. It will be difficult row to hoe. They will be ignored, or at best mocked when they are noticed by the media. If there is any truth to their claims, proof will have to be developed without the powers of subpoena or massive public pressure.

    So we are left with the follow irrefutable facts:

    • 1) When Barack Obama’s eligibility was challenged in court, rather than simply produce proof in the form of documentation subject to the rules of evidence, the campaign spent significant amounts of money to fight on procedural grounds. Perfectly legal, but not responsive to the question of his eligibility under the NBC clause.

    • 2) No other mechanism than court challenges seems to exist to test eligibility under the NBC clause.

    That would seem to suggest that the natural born citizen is not a constitutional test, but really more of a suggestion.

    For the moment, and probably in the end, that may be the most significant consequence of the entire case.

    Hat tip: Randall Hoven

  20. sliderblaze Says:

    anyone check out drudge lately…..’thats right’

  21. thinkingmom11 Says:

    gunnyg.wordpress.com/2008/11/27/natural-born-native-born-subject-to-the-jurisdiction-thereof-etc/

    OK – if you haven’t read ENOUGH about the NBC issue here is a little more…trying to squeeze in getting it read myself…

  22. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Tenacity, You get the banana peanut-butter crunch roll– however, being first should just be “reward” in and of itself! 🙂

    I’m going to go now and make that fudge I was talking about earlier.

    But, before I go, can someone please tell me how to add a link to my username in commenting? I’ve tried to read all of the wordpress documentation, but haven’t found anything yet. Figured I would go to “Roses pros”!

  23. CJ Says:

    Hey Fox: Is the Linda Starr referenced here the same one that was involved with Monica and Bill? Just wondering if anyone knows. Maybe it was a different name but kind of rang a bell with me. Thanks.

  24. Troy Says:

    CJ Says:

    December 8, 2008 at 6:14 pm
    Hey Fox: Is the Linda Starr referenced here the same one that was involved with Monica and Bill? Just wondering if anyone knows. Maybe it was a different name but kind of rang a bell with me. Thanks.
    —————————————————–
    Linda Tripp?

  25. sliderblaze Says:

    mom, i’m the type of guy who steals my stuff back, i’ve done it before, one of the items happens to be the stereo these clowns stole, and yes, i showed up the day after they cleaned up the outside, just to find out that my bottom nob was locked, (i dont lock that cus i dont have a key to it) i only lock the deadbolt, so i know they were in there, trust me, nobody on my block messes with me after the shot gun incident, i’m famous down there for that nite. so i know some one was in my house, not to mention my window was broken, the people took pictures the day they cleaned, no window broken in the pic, i show up the next day, window broken on the second floor. i called the “place” today, it’s just two dudes and a truck, that is shady all by it’s self. I’m gonna do a stake out, i got the address….

  26. sliderblaze Says:

    thats Ken star and the girl was linda tripp

  27. Al Says:

    peppermintpatty777 Says:

    December 8, 2008 at 4:34 pm
    So, Al, how many cows work in the office with you? And, is there nothing but soup and sandwiches for the crew? Guess steak wouldn’t be a good idea huh?

    Inviting everyone to go by my site at
    \\ deliciouslycapricious.wordpress.com and enjoy my fav. song of the season. It’s in the second article from the top, in the second or third line of the article on my banana recipe. I guess it is not a new song, but it’s my new fav.

    *************************************************************

    Susan, Susan, Susan————————————————————–omitted in respect of Foxy.

    I’m sorry the gals–sheesh–in the office don’t look like Heather Locklear, Courtney Cox or those Victoria Secret models, but I certainly wouldn’t call any of them “cows” or heifers. Hope your day is unwinding as you would like. Btw, nice banana recipe (kudos to your husband the chef).

    So, the MSM can comment/cover Mr. Obama’s own admission that he has been caught smoking a cigarette or two, but cannot seem to find a mere five seconds to ask him to unite the nation and hold a press conference and set the record straight once and for all about all the doubts and suspicions surrounding his citizenship–go figure–a pack of smokes is more important than uniting the country 😦

  28. Foxtrot Says:

    CJ – her name was Linda Tripp, not Linda Starr. Starr is usually paid, by Democrats, to find “dirt” on Republican candidates. Both parties have these type of people who act as “consultants” for them. I know because I have used them in my own campaigns. All’s fair in love and politics!

    If she says that all of Obama’s past was not sealed . . . I believe her! I just hope we get a chance to see what it is!

  29. Foxtrot Says:

    Slider, you lead an interesting life! LOL! Where do you live?

  30. Troy Says:

    So, the MSM can comment/cover Mr. Obama’s own admission that he has been caught smoking a cigarette or two, but cannot seem to find a mere five seconds to ask him to unite the nation and hold a press conference and set the record straight once and for all about all the doubts and suspicions surrounding his citizenship–go figure–a pack of smokes is more important than uniting the country
    ———————————————————
    It’s called an Obamanation / Abomination

  31. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    moving to the laptop…… so I can be by a TV…..
    hey a girl can hope

  32. Al Says:

    Out to mend some fences for now. Be back later. I know, Susan, real farmhands don’t have fences to mend or whatever else you wish to say as I depart, and no cows don’t know how to handle a hammer and some nails or a pair of pliers or barbed wire either. Questions, always questions from her. Good grief!

  33. sliderblaze Says:

    foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/08/supreme-court-dismisses-challenge-obamas-citienship/

    at least they got most of it right, just not the other cases before the SCOTUS

  34. sliderblaze Says:

    Lancaster, Pa

    no i’m not amish

    yes there is a city here, and yes the prto rican community is large, very large and they are all cousins

  35. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Al, thank you so much for the cudo’s on the banana crunch, but that’s my recipe and not the hubby’s! I’m the desert (maker, won’t call myself “chef”) and baker in the fam. We both love to cook and often do so together. I made a mean pot of spicy vegetable soup last night, and hot johnny cakes to go with it. Yummmy! Now, the office gals would have enjoyed that!

    Now, what’s this bit about not saying something in respect of Foxy? Did I miss something over the week-end?

  36. ladyliberty Says:

    Hey Slider – my mother-in-law is from Elizabethtown.

  37. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Al, we all have fences to mend! I don’t mind admitting that. I’m always mending fences. Guess it’s cause I’m none too good at straddling them!

  38. sliderblaze Says:

    no way liberty, my sister lives there

  39. Foxtrot Says:

    Slider–I have been to Lancaster many times. Beautiful area!

  40. ladyliberty Says:

    She still has a sister there and we have visted. I am trying to remember the town her father came from – starts with an “m”.

  41. Foxtrot Says:

    Pep Patty –Now, what’s this bit about not saying something in respect of Foxy? Did I miss something over the week-end?
    _________________

    Patty, a while back I told Al that his introduction to his responses were condescending, not to mention, we didn’t want the Ronald Reagan impersonation to continue as it was annoyingly overused by him (ie. “there you go again”). That was what he was referring to.

  42. ladyliberty Says:

    Cousin I mean – she does not have any sisters

  43. sliderblaze Says:

    manheim?

  44. Foxtrot Says:

    Patty, why is your avatar simply a black box?

  45. sliderblaze Says:

    Fox

    true, it is gorgeous out here, i could do without the buggies tho, and the crime, seems everyone and their mom are shady these days, btw, we went mccain 62% i do believe

  46. ladyliberty Says:

    no – maybe its something town…morristown, morgantown – nope, not it!

  47. sliderblaze Says:

    morgantown is about 25 mins from me

  48. sliderblaze Says:

    lol, the shady names of my area
    Virginville
    mountville
    blueball
    birdinhand
    feastersville
    gap
    paradise
    leacock
    intercourse

  49. Foxtrot Says:

    newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin186.htm (h t t p:// w w w. in front)

    Interesting article. This writer feels, no matter what, Obama will be found out–sooner or later!

  50. rosettasister Says:

    Donofrio v. Wells Not Heard, Wrotnowski v. Bysiewicz Still Docketed

    http://steadyhabits.wordpress.com/2008/12/08/donofrio-v-wells-not-heard-wrotnowski-v-bysiewicz-still-docketed/

  51. ladyliberty Says:

    I especially like blueball, paradise and intercourse – ha! ha!

    I went on a field trip when i was in high school to Lancaster, Philadelphia, Gettysburg, etc. The only thing many people wanted was an Intercourse, PA t-shirt. Kids – Crazy!

  52. Foxtrot Says:

    Don’t know if someone posted this yet, but it is Leo stating why he felt his case was denied. He goes further to say how interesting it is that Cort’s case was not denied as well. Hmmmmmmmmm. That is interesting.

    Here is the link. (use h t t p: / / in front)

    citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/12/08/donofrio-application-denied-by-us-supreme-court-leo-donofrio-response-wrotnowski-case-still-pending-supreme-court-justices-no-statement-donofrio-vs-wells-new-jersey-secretary-of-state-us-consti/

  53. Tenacity Says:

    jc,
    I thought Leo had 2 filings, one for a writ of cirtiorari (sp?) and one for an emergency stay of the Electoral College. I see that the stay was denied but no statement about the writ. Perhaps I misunderstood how Leo filed. I know that his application was some kind of shortened form.

  54. Lyn Says:

    my hubsand went to school in Elizabethtown

  55. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Uhhh, is my avatar a black box? I see a pretty pink hat! Did someone steal my hat? Foxy, tell me the truth right now–did someone take my hat? Tears are flowing–

  56. sliderblaze Says:

    college or the highschool lyn?

  57. sliderblaze Says:

    im wearing it patty, i died it blue

  58. Lyn Says:

    the mason high school for kids that lost a parent

  59. Foxtrot Says:

    Patty, on my page it shows a solid black box. That is it.

  60. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Slider, that’s not funny… My hat was titanium, anti-delusional titanium! Whoever took it, give it back–now!

  61. ladyliberty Says:

    IrishKay Says:
    I don’t know if this is his response or not, but I thought I would post it here:

    December 8, 2008 at 12:28 pm
    [Ed. The core issues were before them. They denied it and Im not going any further with my case. No petition. They could have accepted my app as a full petition as in Bush v. Gore, but they didnt. My case is done.]

    Please answer the above question about the Certiorarti? Is that still pending?

  62. ladyliberty Says:

    Sorry – IrishKay is the original poster for the question “Pleae answer the above …..”

  63. rosettasister Says:

    Wasn’t sure how many were aware of this. Our prayers go out to Mr. Berg and his family.

    ————————-

    UPDATE

    Funeral arrangements:

    Norman Barry Berg, age 66, funeral is as follows:

    Tuesday, December 9, 2008 – 1:45 p.m. prompt

    Goldsteins Funeral Home
    6410 North Broad Street
    Philadelphia, PA 19126

    (215) 927-5800

    (800) 622-6410

    Norman is survived by:
    Mother, Rebecca Berg Nissenbaum,
    2 sisters, Joan & Judith, and Phil

    —————————————————————————————-

    From: Philip Berg
    Date: 12/6/2008 11:33:50 AM

    Subject: My brother, Norman

    I am sending this e-mail to family and friends that unfortunately, my brother, Norman Barry Berg, age 66, passed away this morning, Saturday, December 6, 2008.

    Norman did not suffer and the end went fast. As you know, Norman had a major colon operation in January of 2002. The surgeon stated he did not get all of the cancer and he would not be able to get the rest by chemotheraphy or radiation. Norman was given four [4] months to live.

    Well, Norman sure beat the odds by living, and he really lived, for practically seven [7] years. He went to concerts, movies, the shore, out to dinner and to the Phillies with me.

    Norman was always so thoughtful. He never missed a birthday, anniversary or new year to send cards.

    Norman is missed.

    Thank you,
    Phil

    Any contributions, please send in memory to:

    The Wellness Community of Philadelphia

    The Suzanne Morgan Center at Ridgeland

    Chamounix Drive, West Fairmount Park

    Philadelphia, PA 19131

  64. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Foxy, I bet Al took it when he went fence mending! or, it was probably those thieves that took sliders goods! Course, now Slider says he has it. I knew it was too pretty to just leave it lying around!

    So, I heard a brief few words on Fox about Leo’s case being up in court, and being denied. They mentioned that someone in PA has one too, but the announcer said it was “expected to be denied too”– pooh!

  65. dixieinflorida Says:

    OMG he looks like a real crime boss in that picture

  66. Troy Says:

    Uhhh, is my avatar a black box? I see a pretty pink hat! Did someone steal my hat? Foxy, tell me the truth right now–did someone take my hat? Tears are flowing–
    ———————————————————–
    The pink hat shows here…no black box

  67. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    http://www.crusaderadio.com/

    I understand the press conference will be on here….. they are just taking calls right now…

    no promises….but the only source I found

  68. ladyliberty Says:

    Slider – finally remembered – it was Middletown.

  69. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    crusaderadio.com/

    I understand the press conference will be on here….. they are just taking calls right now…

    no promises….but the only source I found

  70. sliderblaze Says:

    ah yes lady, middletown, thats harrisburgish about 35 mins from me

  71. Foxtrot Says:

    Cort case is scheduled for this Friday.

  72. Foxtrot Says:

    Troy Says:

    December 8, 2008 at 7:05 pm
    Uhhh, is my avatar a black box? I see a pretty pink hat! Did someone steal my hat? Foxy, tell me the truth right now–did someone take my hat? Tears are flowing–
    ———————————————————–
    The pink hat shows here…no black box

    +++++++++++++

    How strange is that? Several people have different avatars showing for the same person. Just like a few days ago. Mine, for you Pep, is still a black box of nothing!

  73. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Thanks Troy! I think someone has stolen Foxy’s avatar thingy!

    On the note on Berg’s brother: My sincerest condolences. Being faced with all that he has been faced with, it is amazing that Berg has been able to deal with such a public case. Having lost a dear and precious brother myself, I know that it is a deep and searing wound to the heart. May God heal the Berg family’s hearts, and give them strength and comfort in this time of grief. May they know a joy and a peace that passes all human understanding as they walk through the valley of the shadow of death.

  74. jc Says:

    Thanks for the update Foxtrot on Cort’s case. It looks like this case is following the same path that Leo’s case took. Did anyone come to a conclusion if this is a big deal that it is distributed for conference or is it merely standard procedure ?

  75. Bones Says:

    Where’s that bit about Obama having been a British spy? I know I saw it here, but can’t find the link…

  76. jc Says:

    I remember Leo on Plains radio saying this was a rare bird, and an affirmative action. Can we conclude since is wasn’t denied we have two Justices, Thomas and now Scalia interested in looking closer at these isssues?

  77. ladyliberty Says:

    Thanks for the update Fox. Still got HOPE and not the BO brand of hope!

    Take care everyone!

  78. Foxtrot Says:

    Bones – that was Al, one of our posters, who has hypothesized that the reason Obama is not being questioned about his citizenship by U.S. officials is because he may be a spy for the U.S. That being said, I don’t think anyone else on this blog believes that theory. I know I don’t. Hope that helps you.

  79. ddlew Says:

    After reading Leo’s responses to people on his blog, it seems that he is done with the whole deal.

    Oh well. He DID admit to being a quitter.

  80. Foxtrot Says:

    Gotta run some errands. Big dinner party this Saturday night at my house, and I have tons to do for it yet. Six course meal and everything made from scratch! Also do games, exchange gifts, etc.

    I will touch base later on today. Keep the faith everyone! Something has got to give with exposing Obama!

  81. jc Says:

    ddlew,
    Leo said he was moving on to Cort’s case and it was a more solid brief.

  82. ddlew Says:

    We’ll see I guess.

  83. thinkingmom11 Says:

    skolnicksreport.com/ootar80.html

    Bones, is this the link? Stacy posted it on the last thread about Bobama being a spy – Double BO Seven I guess…

  84. Troy Says:

    jc Says:

    December 8, 2008 at 7:22 pm
    Thanks for the update Foxtrot on Cort’s case. It looks like this case is following the same path that Leo’s case took. Did anyone come to a conclusion if this is a big deal that it is distributed for conference or is it merely standard procedure ?
    ————————————————————
    Standard Procedure: When a case is initially denied by a justice and is refiled to another justice, the 2nd justice may refer it to the full court so that all justices can deny it….This keeps the case from being continually refiled and denied.

  85. thinkingmom11 Says:

    I just got up thread to read the article Rose posted and toward the end it mentions Brian Sussman – he is on the radio 6-8 PM PST of of San Fransisco no less. He is REALLY good.

    ksfo.com

    He is also on on Monday mornings 4 or 5-9 am. That morning show is actually good all the time – I was surprised when I moved here that that station is out of SF. Check it out sometime…I wake up to it in the AM

  86. thinkingmom11 Says:

    oh yeah, the have live streaming…that’s why I mention it

  87. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    bam bam is like a oiled pig (without lipstick) nothing sticks and you can’t get a good hold on him

  88. thinkingmom11 Says:

    but would he taste good cooked in a pot of beans…

  89. Troy Says:

    Sinclair said he tastes awful…..ewwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  90. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    TROY

    lol lol only YOU would be brave enough to actually say that

  91. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    leo is on that link I posted earlier

  92. jc Says:

    Troy thanks for the update on the distribution for Conference only being standard procedure. I was under the impression it was two strikes and you were out to refile applications to SCOTUS.

  93. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Leo and Cort is driving down to the SCOTUS will be holding a press conference at 11 am tomorrow…… hoping to have it confirmed in a few

  94. Bones Says:

    Yes, that’s the one thinking… thanks!

  95. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Have a good afternoon Foxy. Talk to everyone a little later. TM hope you have a great day. JAC, we will all get through this. Keep the faith–everyone! Troy, watch my hat while I’m gone–please.

    If Al comes back from riding on the lower forty ask him what gives him the idea that our next PE was a British spy? Too much rabbit tobacco on the ol’ home range? Just kidding Al. We are all entitled to our delusions, that’s why I like my hats! Be blessed everyone.

    I’m off to see the wizard, the wonderful wizard of fridge!

  96. rosettasister Says:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2144892/posts

    To: LucyT

    NPC Day Book: Event Details Event Name: Obama’s Citizenship Event

    Date: Dec. 8, 2008 Event Type: News Conference Time: 1:30 PM

    Sponsored by: We the People Foundation Event Location: Murrow Room

    Details: Is Obama a Natural Born Citizen?

    Contact/Reservations: Bob Shultz 518-656-3578 bob@givemeliberty.org

    Outlook Reminder

    This event is not affiliated with the National Press Club or the Eric Friedheim Library.

    Now, I find out. It is being videotaped, since CNN won’t show it.

    Actually, I’m glad the Nat’l Press Club is NOT sponsoring it today because they are too busy bestowing their Fourth Estate Award (which they annually to an individual who has achieved distinction for a lifetime of contributions to American journalism).

    So, who’s their honoree? Why, it’s none other than Chirstiane “I hate those damn Jews and Israelis” Amanpour, chief international correspondent at CNN – who, for decades, has courageously brought home stories of wars, famine and natural disasters for her viewers.

    “Courageous?” NO! Outragious, YES

    511 posted on Monday, December 08, 2008 11:51:57 AM by Polarik

  97. Bones Says:

    Oh well… I was thinking that could have been a reliable source… and the media has the nerve to call US conspiracy theorists? Really, I think the two adjectives that best describe my reaction to Obama’s snub (by not showing his BC) and the media’s bias are offended and insulted.

    Never stop asking WHY…

  98. rosettasister Says:

    To: LucyT; Canedawg

    Update! SCOTUS just updated Cort’s case. It is on the conference schedule for 12/12/08.

    http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08a469.htm

    No. 08A469
    Title:
    Cort Wrotnowski, Applicant
    v.
    Susan Bysiewicz, Connecticut Secretary of State
    Docketed:
    Lower Ct: Supreme Court of Connecticut
    Case Nos.: (SC 18264)
    ~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Nov 25 2008 Application (08A469) for stay and/or injunction, submitted to Justice Ginsburg.
    Nov 26 2008 Application (08A469) denied by Justice Ginsburg.
    Nov 29 2008 Application (08A469) refiled and submitted to Justice Scalia.
    Dec 8 2008 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of December 12, 2008.
    Dec 8 2008 Application (08A469) referred to the Court by Justice Scalia.

    544 posted on Monday, December 08, 2008 12:24:07 PM by atlbelle44

  99. rosettasister Says:

    “FactCheck.org: Good Enough for the Supreme Court and MSM Why Not You?”

    Posted on December 08, 2008

    By JB Williams

    http://www.crossactionnews.com/articles/view/factcheckorg-good-enough-for-the-supreme-court-and-msm-why-not-you

    EXCERPT

    Hold on to Your Hat!

    Just in case you needed final proof that America has lost its lust for freedom and the rule of constitutional law, all doubts should be eliminated here.

    It’s public knowledge that Barack Hussein Obama is the least qualified individual ever to seek national office. It’s well known that his name is Arab-Muslim, not African, American or Christian.

    His many ill-advised associations, thick throughout his entire adult life, are well documented.

    His original birth certificate, his college records at Occidental, Columbia and Harvard, all remain under lock and key. Don’t ask, don’t tell!

    Over $200 million of his record $700 million campaign haul, came from unknown donors from unknown sources overseas, some of them likely enemies of the United States.

    And as of today, the Supreme Court of the United States sees no need to weigh in on any of these well documented matters.

    Can you imagine what is coming next? I can, and like our nations founders, “I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever.” Thomas Jefferson

    The Constitution either means exactly what it says, or it means absolutely nothing at all. As of today, it means nothing at all…

    Guess what follows? I have only one final question for my fellow Americans…

    If Article II – Section I no longer applies, what parts of the Constitution do? Just Amendment XVI?

  100. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Can you imagine what is coming next? I can, and like our nations founders, “I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever.” Thomas Jefferson

    +++++++++++++++

    Obama doesn’t worry me as much as God’s justice does…I, too, tremble with Jefferson.

  101. rosettasister Says:

    http://countryfirst.bravehost.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1001

    Two Full Page Obama Citizenship Status ? Advs in Washington Times Weekly National Edition Published Today. I just got mine in my mail box.

    On page 20 is basically the same full page that ran in the Chicago Tribune on 1 and 3 Dec 08.

    That prior publication fact has been added in a box as a note in this version. It was placed by the “We The People Foundation”.

    See their webpage at:

    http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org

    I gave a donation to them a couple weeks ago.

    And on page 40, the back cover page is the full page that ran before, the one shown in Atty Berg’s website, and which I assume was placed by him. I gave multiple donations to the Berg efforts. See:

    http://www.obamacrimes.com

    The fight is not over. We just lost a battle today. But more battles are to come. Do not give up the ship!!

    Mountain Publius Goat

  102. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    took this from Plains chat…so take it for what it is worth
    the SCOTUS vote was 3 to 6

  103. Ksinde. Says:

    Hi all… very depressing news 😦

    JAC, any more info on Leo & Cort doing a press confrence at SCOTUS?

    I wish SCOTUS released a detailed explanation and a vote count! If that count is accurate that JAC got from plains, that makes it worse, 1 more and it would have been heard.

  104. Ksinde. Says:

    It looks like Thomas and Scalia want the case heard. Thomas referred Leo’s case to confrence and Scalia referred Cort’s case.

    We shall see.

  105. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    ksinde
    rumors are flying..hard to peg the truth from the fiction….

    but another Attorney…… Steve something will be on plains tonight talking about his case in SC

  106. hockeyfan530 Says:

    I don’t see how they could get away with not hearing it! They are there to uphold the constitution. Not hearing these cases is a determination that the constitution is no longer a valid document. Didn’t Leo say that Cort’s is actually a better case? Maybe that will get the 4th vote for us

  107. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Steve Pidgeon is his name…….. don’t know anything about him

  108. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Orly did or is filing her case today….when i heard it she had the papers but hadn’t submitted them yet

  109. jc Says:

    This was posted on democratic-disaster. I believe this is the first letter from a congressman who hasn’t already sold out. Perhaps hope still lives in GA.
    *******************************************************************************

    Thank you for contacting me with your concerns regarding allegations that U.S. Senator Barack Obama is not a U.S. citizen.  I appreciate hearing from you.

    This story has been percolating in the media for a number of months.  Unfortunately, unless Senator Obama produces the documentation on his own, at this time, there is no way to verify if he is in fact a natural born citizen of the United States. [emphasis mine]

    On January 8, 2009, both the U.S. Senate and House shall meet for the purpose of counting and certifying the electoral votes.  After the vote has been counted, the President of the Senate shall call for objections.  It is at this time that Federal officials in both the House and Senate may object to the certification of President-elect Obama by alleging that he fails to meet the Constitutional requirements to serve as President of the United States.  Please be assured that I will continue to monitor this issue very carefully, and I will act when appropriate and necessary.

    Again, thank you for contacting me.  If I can be of further assistance in the future, please do not hesitate to call on me.

    Sincerely,

    John Linder
    Member of Congress

  110. hockeyfan530 Says:

    wow, john linder actually may be willing to do his job. That’s one.

  111. jjones Says:

    only 434 more to go….

  112. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    leo will be on the 2nd hour tonight on plains

  113. Ksinde. Says:

    Thanks JAC, I hope he does do a press confrence. You know plains will be hopping tonight!

  114. Ksinde. Says:

    I would love to know who voted for hearing Leo’s case. I don’t see the harm in hearing it. This is a very serious issue. This issue needs to be put to rest, the Justices had the opportunity to do so.

    This will not go away. If he gets sworn in, I will not be able to support him until I know he is a NBC.

  115. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    i guess leo told Ed that he thought his was denied so Corts case could be heard….. that leo admits is stronger and better written than his….. because Cort had more time to get his structured

  116. ddlew Says:

    To be real honest, I don’t put much faith in any remaining court case. Whether Leo believes that Cort’s case illustrates the issue any better, or whether Berg has a “point for arguement’s sake”, or whether Keye’s can claim injury; these are all 3rd and 4th tiered attorneys (throwing in a professional poker player, which does bring humor to the matter) that are not nearly qualified to argue a case to the SCOTUS.

    Barack Hussein Obama will be sworn into office on January 20, 2009 and we all just need to accept it.

    It was fun and even hopeful for a while but we all, in my opinion, need to come back to the reality of what happened on November 4, 2008.

  117. rosettasister Says:

    To: atlbelle44; Frantzie; BonRad; MHGinTN; Txngal; joygrace; flaglady47; Newtiebacker; GBA; so_real; …

    Heard on Crusaderradio at approx 3:15 EST:

    Leo was interviewed as saying that he and Cort will be on the US Supreme Court’s steps tomorrow morning (Tues), but nothing is planned or organized — per his words. However, other unconfirmed reports are that Leo might hold a press conference.

    Leo confirmed in the radio interview that his case was denied w/o opinion. There is NO confirmation from ANYONE of what the count was — Obot misinformation.
    It’s was, AT FIRST, rumored that Leo would be on PlainsRadio tonight, but ED confirmed that Leo will NOT be on the radio tonight because he’s doing some additional work on Cort’s case. Instead, Steve Pidgeon, the lead attorney on the Washington state Supreme Court case will be on PlainsRadio tonight, 8-10 CST. Trying to get that to the SCOTUS this week, too.
    Leo noted that it was unusual for Cort’s case to be put bumped ahead of schedule for Conference — it’s believed to accommodate review before the Dec. 15 Electoral College vote:
    Leo’s case:
    > Nov 19 2008 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of December 5, 2008.
    > Dec 5 2008 Date of Conference
    -————16 Days-————
    Cort’s case:
    > Dec 8 2008 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of December 12, 2008.
    > Dec 12 2008 Date of Conference
    -————5 Days-————

    737 posted on Monday, December 08, 2008 2:23:09 PM by BP2 (I think, therefore I’m a conservative)

  118. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    we might not ever know the vote….. just that it was under 4

    The SC is putting alot at risk…….. i think it they take action they want it to be on a strong case. something they can justify……

    the electorials might be voting the 15th but the votes remain sealed until they are before congress the 5th of January and counted

  119. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Rose

    Ed came back on just a little bit ago and said he just got off the phone to Leo…..and he would be on the 2nd hour……

  120. Ksinde. Says:

    DD,

    I hear you and understand where you are coming from. After i heard the news this morning, i was in that boat with you. But then I thought that what is going on outrages me! This is not right. BO is pissing on our constitution.

    I never thought i would see the day that the highest court in our land would fall prey to “politics”. if we give up now, what does the future hold for our constitution?

    have you ever seen the car window decals that have a cartoon guy pissing on ie. the Dallas Cowboys? I would like to see one made of BO pissing on our constitution with a cirlce & dash going through it.

  121. Ksinde. Says:

    Ty Rose, what search engine do you use…lol

  122. Ksinde. Says:

    Very good point about the time frame. I think that Thomas & Scalia are chomping at the bit to hear this. I really think that they want nothing more to do right by the constitution.

  123. amy Says:

    Joe Thunder attended the press conference today and he will be talking about it tonight on lanlampheres radio show at about 10:20 PM EST tonight. He is also Fed-Exing a video from the press club to lans to place on his site tomorrow.

  124. Ksinde. Says:

    Oh Good Amy, ty

  125. CJ Says:

    Troy: Thanks. Linda Tripp is right. I don’t know why I thought Linda Starr was the Lewinsky tie in. Aging brains don’t always remember facts only vague concepts lol. Well at least I did say I wasn’t sure for what it’s worth. Hey Brit Hume just mentiond Leo’s case on Fox @6:25pm. Of course ended with Obama is a citizen. Wonder if it will ever change. At least it was mentioned all over the place today. If more develops, then the table is set to tell the public since they did bring it up today in msm. I sure hope it continues to be pursued. Again, thanks for the correction.

  126. ladyliberty Says:

    I can see today’s events as somewhat positive. With Cort’s case rushed through and it being stronger than Donofrio’s, I could see how they are waiting for the best case to hear arguments. Do you think it is possible that they waited to see Cort’s before turning down Donofrio’s?

  127. CJ Says:

    Foxtrot: Thanks to you too. Just got through more posts and saw yours. Sounds like Linda Star may be a good reliable source for more info on Obama. Sure hope so anyway. Take care.

  128. sliderblaze Says:

    whats up peoples

  129. j.b. Says:

    Yeah, what slider said……..

  130. sliderblaze Says:

    sorry i been gone, had to file a police report and do some recon work on said perps

  131. Ksinde. Says:

    Sider, r u still there?

  132. sliderblaze Says:

    i sure am

  133. j.b. Says:

    Hey, sorry to hear about your “stuff” gettin’ jacked. That pretty much sucks.

  134. Ksinde. Says:

    Slider, Shady Maple Smorgasborg (sp)

  135. sliderblaze Says:

    yeah, i had a car stolen before, it was my baby. This however is a whole other ballgame, i hope they are insured, as soon as i get a pic of them with any of my stuff, it’s over, and i got allllll damn day and all damn week. they live 3 doors up from my brother jeremy as luck would have it….!!!!!

  136. Ksinde. Says:

    Yeah, that sucks slider. nothing worse then a theif! makes me sick. Hope the cops catch them!

  137. sliderblaze Says:

    Ksinde, OMG, i was always late my junior and senior year of highschool, Shady maple for breakfast….mmmmmmm……shady

  138. sliderblaze Says:

    well i got ahold of my insurance agent, the police, call the place and dude even sounded shady, it’s just two guys and a truck, no like they work for a big company, one thing is for sure, i hope they are insured…..they better be cus the city hired them without my knowledge and if they were vetted (keeping with the obama theme) i’ll sue the city as well.

  139. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    going to be busy on radio tonight

  140. Ksinde. Says:

    UUUmmmm…Luv it! I like lunch/dinner, the best desserts!

    I was born n raised in PA, Delaware County. moved to DE about 5 yrs ago. PA taxes taxes killed us.

  141. Ksinde. Says:

    vetted?!? lol, does anyone so that anymore… Teach those bastards a lesson slider!

    JAC, sure is, what is on your agenda? Plains then Overnight AM?

  142. sliderblaze Says:

    shady was 10 miles from my house

  143. Ksinde. Says:

    slider, lucky SOB! It is about 45 minutes from me. I don’t care tho worth the drive!

  144. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    ksinde..that is the plan

  145. sliderblaze Says:

    would you believe i’ve come across people who live here who never been and dont know what it is….

  146. Stacy Says:

    7:20 pm EDT: Case picked up by Supreme Court

    http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/

  147. sliderblaze Says:

    breitbart.com/article.php?id=D94UOJRO0&show_article=1

    love to see this

  148. Stacy Says:

    http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/

  149. Stacy Says:

    Sorry, wrong link:

    http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2008/12/08/wrotnowski-application-referred-to-full-court-by-justice-scalia-distributed-for-conference-on-dec-12-supplemental-brief-to-be-submitted-tomorrow/

  150. sliderblaze Says:

    everyone wind up for the collective b!tchslap

    mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/195338.php

  151. Ksinde. Says:

    Whatt?!? Never heard of it…they don’t know what they r missing!

    JAC, yeah thats my plan too.

  152. Ksinde. Says:

    The only NBC shows I watch is Medium & Friday Night Light. i think Medium has jumped the shark though, probally won’t watch it this season.

  153. Ksinde. Says:

    Leo updated his blog at 7:20 re: Cort’s case being referred 2 confrence

    naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/

    There is still hope.

  154. sliderblaze Says:

    only nbc program i watch is….sunday night football, thats it

  155. rosettasister Says:

    “Let me go ahead and stand out as a kook from all my friends on the right.”

    “Supreme Court Refuses to Hear Obama Citizenship Challenge”

    http://www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/12/08/supreme-court-refuses-to-hear-obama-birth-certificate-challenge/

    EXCERPT

    I do agree with others, it’s time to focus on opposing Obama policies and get out of the mud of technicalities.

    The Supreme Court, not wanting to upset the apple cart, has only fueled the fire. Be ready to hear the cries of ignoring the Constitution, and when does the revolution begin.

    I’m sure people will continue to fight this fight, but it looks like it will be a dead-end road.

    Why Obama won’t show his birth certificate, we may never know. But put the revolution on hold for now…there are plenty of other Obama birth certificate/citizenship cases in the pipelines.

    http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/12/supreme-court-refuses-one-obama.html

    I wouldn’t get my hopes too high though. I won’t be calling anyone kooks, but I do suggest we start concentrating on other issues.

    http://www.nicedoggie.net/2008/?p=3308

    Let me go ahead and stand out as a kook from all my friends on the right.

    That’s what they are calling anyone that gives the question of Obama’s citizenship any merit. I give some merit on a few accounts.

    One, how easy it would be to kill this. All Obama has to do is provide a birth certificate. It only fuels the conspiracies by not providing it.

    Why doesn’t he? Second, it is a legitimate question the People deserve a solid answer on.

    The question will only continue to haunt him until he stamps out the fire.

    Obama’s refusal to show this simple certificate can certainly give an impression to some he is hiding something.

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/279400.php

    I grant that all of these guys — save one — lack standing.

    But one of these guys does: Alan Keyes.

    As a minor-party candidate for president, no one can argue with a straight face he is not particularly and specifically affected by the case, which is the requirement for standing.

    (Vague claims of personal impact based only upon one’s status as citizen or taxpayer have long been ruled inadequate to establish standing — or else all 100 million liberals would be filing 50 lawsuits each against George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, General Petraeus, etc.)

    But if a right or requirement appears in the Constitution, someone must have the standing to vindicate it. Either that or, as I say, it’s dead letter.

    Apparently it’s dead letter.

    The Emoluments Clause is apparently now dead-letter, too, as I don’t hear any sounds in Congress to repeal the pay raise for the Secretary of State to at least superficially cure Hillary’s constitutional bar against taking that position.

    Apparently, as the great Paul Anka once observed, we’re “picking and choosing” which parts of the Constitution are still valid law.

  156. sliderblaze Says:

    i was glad to see ace cover the issue.

  157. sliderblaze Says:

    anyone here read the ?

    caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=169&invol=649

  158. rosettasister Says:

    sliderblaze Says:
    December 9, 2008 at 12:58 am

    U.S. Supreme Court
    U.S. v. WONG KIM ARK, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)

    http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=169&invol=649

    —————————–

    Thanks, Slider!

    I looked at it. Hopefully someone can provide a synopsis.

    Rosetta

  159. Tenacity Says:

    Cort is on Plains Radio now. Sounds like Leo may be coming on.

  160. sliderblaze Says:

    anyone have the list of cases in the SCOTUS or on the way there?

  161. rosettasister Says:

    http://www.obamacrimes.com/attachments/072_ObamaPressRelease12082008.pdf

    For Immediate Release: – 12/08/08

    For Further Information Contact:

    Philip J. Berg, Esquire
    555 Andorra Glen Court, Suite 12
    Lafayette Hill, PA 19444-2531

    Cell (610) 662-3005
    U.S. Supreme Court No. 08 – 570
    (610) 825-3134
    (800) 993-PHIL [7445]
    Fax (610) 834-7659

    philjberg@obamacrimes.com

    U. S. SUPREME COURT ASKED TO ISSUE
    AN INJUNCTION TO STAY ELECTORIAL VOTES
    ON DECEMBER 15, 2008

    UNTIL OBAMA PROVES HE IS “QUALIFIED”
    TO BE PRESIDENT

    AS THIS IS THE LARGEST “HOAX”
    IN 200 YEARS

    (Washington, DC – 12/08/08) – Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States

    today filed with the U.S. Supreme Court an Application for an Injunction to Stay the Electoral Votes on December 15, 2008

    and prohibit V.P. Richard B. Cheney, the House of Representatives and the Senate counting any votes for Obama until Obama Proves he is “Qualified” to be President.

    Berg filed this while waiting to hear if the U.S. Supreme Court will hear the Writ of Certiorari that he filed on October 30, 2008,

    requesting review of the United States District Court, Eastern District of Pennsylvania,

    Judge Surrick’s Dismissal of Philip J. Berg’s lawsuit against Barack H. Obama, Jr., the DNC and the other co-Defendants regarding “standing.”

    Mr. Berg remarked today, “I know that Mr. Obama is not a constitutionally qualified natural-born citizen and is ineligible to assume the office of President of the United States.”

    Berg continued, “Obama knows he is not ‘natural born’ as he knows
    where he was born and he knows he was adopted in Indonesia;

    Obama is an attorney, Harvard Law grad who taught Constitutional law;

    Obama knows his candidacy is the largest ‘hoax’ attempted on the citizens of the United States in over 200 years;

    Obama places our Constitution in a ‘crisis’ situation;

    and Obama is in a situation where he can be blackmailed by leaders around the world who know Obama is not qualified.”

    For copies of all Court Pleadings, go to

    obamacrimes.com

  162. sliderblaze Says:

    i wanna hear this tape, dude seems pumped about the conference

  163. Tenacity Says:

    Joe Thunder videoed today’s press conference. The whole 95 minute video will be posted for viewing at FreedomMarch, Joe Thunder’s site. Thunder is telling Scott and Cort that a room full of MSM were present and the gang including Pastor David Manning absolutely spanked the MSM and accused them of being complicit in the fraud that is going on.

  164. j.b. Says:

    Joe Thunder videoed today’s press conference. The whole 95 minute video will be posted for viewing at FreedomMarch, Joe Thunder’s site. Thunder is telling Scott and Cort that a room full of MSM were present and the gang including Pastor David Manning absolutely spanked the MSM and accused them of being complicit in the fraud that is going on.

    Cool. Thanks.

  165. hockeyfan530 Says:

    you know i wonder if it’s possible that API is one of those that can blackmail Obama. I am certain that they do not have a tape but it’s possible they know certain damaging information on bambam. And the tape lie was their way of telling bambam to remember you owe a lot of people for their silence

  166. Ksinde. Says:

    Wow, Manning was there? That is great! i thought it was berg & Orly. i can’t wait to hear the tape too. HAs anyone seen clips on MSM of it?

  167. rosettasister Says:

    Scary Scenario

    “IN THE SHADOW OF NEMESIS”

    http://www.newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin186.htm

    By Dr. Edwin Vieira, Jr., Ph.D., J.D.
    December 8, 2008

    EXCERPT

    One scenario will suffice:

    On some Monday not so far in the future, “President” Obama meets with the Joint Chiefs of Staff to announce that “Operation Sandblaster,” for a massive nuclear attack on Iran’s supposed “weapons of mass destruction,” will be launched on the coming Friday.

    The Joint Chiefs remonstrate, pointing out that such aggression will trigger retaliation by Russia and China, almost surely plunging the whole world into a thermonuclear World War III.

    “President” Obama, however, is adamant, and instructs the Joint Chiefs to have the necessary orders for “Sandblaster”—or their resignations—on his desk by Wednesday morning.

    Knowing that, if they resign, “President” Obama will simply appoint some unprincipled uniformed “yes men” to carry out his plan, the Joint Chiefs immediately order covert break-ins around the country to obtain his original birth certificate and other material evidence relating to his ineligibility for the Office of President.

    With these documents in hand, on Wednesday morning, accompanied by a contingent of heavily armed Marines, the Joint Chiefs confront “President” Obama with the evidence, arrest him as an usurper and all the Members of Congress as his co-conspirators, and appoint themselves a Military Commission to function as a “caretaker government” during the ensuing “national emergency.”

    Not likely? If not, why not?

    If one man can get away with usurping the Presidency of the United States, even as the rest of the General Government, the States, and the people look the other way while mouthing legalistic mumbo jumbo to rationalize their inaction, why cannot a few men—backed up by the Armed Forces—imagine themselves justified in overthrowing and supplanting him in order to forefend a national calamity?

  168. Ksinde. Says:

    I know that Leo & Cort will be doing an informal press confrence on SCOTUS steps tomorrow but I hope they sent out a press realease.

    Leo is very convincing and i always thought him refusing TV interviews was the wrong move. He had a great case, if he ever went head to head with ie. Olberdork, Leo would SHUT HIM UP!!

  169. sliderblaze Says:

    Ed said he had common sense…..shit, we’re doomed lol

  170. ddlew Says:

    Cort doesn’t even sound like he has any confidence in his own case.

  171. hockeyfan530 Says:

    this is article is unbelievable…no, i don’t believe it’s true but LOL just think

    ireport.com/docs/DOC-160053

  172. ddlew Says:

    WTF???

    Cort aint even an attorney?????????????

  173. sliderblaze Says:

    patterico.com/2008/12/08/supreme-court-denies-cert-in-birth-certificate-case/#comments

    uh oh, looks like some prominent blogs are picking this up

    DRJ didnt even know there were other cases, i’ll look forward to his update, this blog has been mentioned by rush before

  174. rosettasister Says:

    Thank you, Tenacity and all, for updates!

    “Wild Day in DC Monday 12-08-08”

    http://www.freedommarch.org/Wild_Day.html

    I barely know where to begin. OK. Big news for Tues 12-9-08 and Friday 12-1208. Leo Donfrio’s case was denied today, BUT Cort Wrotnowski’s case was distributed for conference by all nine SCOTUS Justices this coming Friday morning.

    Leo’s legal arguments were a large bases portion of Cort’s.

    Leo strengthened the arguments in Cort’s case, AND both Leo and Cort are heading to the SCOTUS Tues to file a supplemental brief further strengthening Cort’s case.

    They will answer questions from the media at the SCOTUS steps at 11:00AM.

    This is far from over. Leo is fired up. Let the media know that Leo and Cort will be there at 11:00 AM Tues.

    And it gets even better – my eyes are still crossed. I attended the most amazing press conference anyone could imagine today.

    The room was packed overflowing.

    (It was probably the same room at the National Press Club used by Rev Wright ranting on after Obama didn’t want him too. I’ll try and find out…Poetic isn’t it?.)

    Philip J. Berg, Esq., Bob Shultz, Dr. Orly Taitz, Esq, and the ever lovable, Pastor James Manning, just SPANKED a room full of press with four big professional vid cams running, etc.

    Wow. It was hard not to cheer, and Pastor Manning got an ovation even in there!

    I got it on tape.

    You’ll never see this in MSM. We’ll have it produced and posted by Tues early afternoon PST. It’s 90+ minutes. You can see the whole thing.

    (See photo at bottom of above post.)

  175. Ksinde. Says:

    I am so amped up to see the tape!!!!!!!!

  176. ddlew Says:

    I am freaking that Court isn’t an attorney and THEY THINK that Leo will argue the case if SCOTUS agrees to hear it.

    I am REALLY bumbed out now.

  177. sliderblaze Says:

    i know right

  178. hockeyfan530 Says:

    here’s a positive piece (no kool aid) from the chicago tribune site:

    chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/letters/chi-081208stachovic_briefs,0,4730488.story

  179. calli Says:

    Thinkingmom11,
    I miss that cat!! Why the change?

  180. rosettasister Says:

    This is starting right now!

    http://radiopatriot.blogspot.com/2008/12/pastor-david-manning-with-me-tonight-on.html

    Monday night, we’ve got a whopper for ya! The controversial and outspoken Rev. Pastor James David Manning of Atlah Ministry will be with us for the entire hour on my internet radio program, from 9 to 10 pm ET.

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/stations/headingright/askshow

    Pastor Manning is in Washington DC where he participated in a 1:30 p.m. ET news conference organized by the We The People Foundation at the National Press Club.

  181. ddlew Says:

    What a day…

    Our last BEST hope is denied, Andy Martin bad mouths Berg AND Leo, Court’s not an attorney, the biggest question faced by Obama was whether he quit smoking, AND API GOT INVITED TO THE INAUGURATION!!

    Where’s that bottle of glue I quit sniffing!?

  182. j.b. Says:

    The glass in half full, the glass is half full………rinse, repeat.

  183. Ksinde. Says:

    API got invited to the inauguration?!?!?!?!? For real DD?

  184. ddlew Says:

    j.b. Says:
    December 9, 2008 at 2:04 am

    The glass in half full, the glass is half full………rinse, repeat.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And I just cut my frickin lip on that half full glass!!!

  185. j.b. Says:

    Oh, yeah, API got invited to the INASUGURATION and I am Sammy’s date!
    Uh-huh.

  186. ddlew Says:

    Ksinde. Says:
    December 9, 2008 at 2:05 am

    API got invited to the inauguration?!?!?!?!? For real DD?

    ++++++++++++++++++++

    Well if you believe them to be a reliable news source, they claim they did.

  187. j.b. Says:

    And I just cut my frickin lip on that half full glass!!!

    Sorry ’bout it.

  188. Ksinde. Says:

    lol JB… Does anyne still go over to API anymore? Is K still updating on the phantom tape and r people still asking about it?

  189. Ksinde. Says:

    DD… OMG give me a break, what a crackpot!!! I feel like the biggest dumba$$ for ever thinking there was a tape. I am so ashamed in myself!

  190. hockeyfan530 Says:

    blues just scored!

  191. j.b. Says:

    lol JB… Does anyne still go over to API anymore? Is K still updating on the phantom tape and r people still asking about it?

    Not me! I have not been “over there” since they moved.
    I was “all in” for two weeks straight. Then, well, I began to realize it was ALL a big f’in lie. imo.

  192. Ksinde. Says:

    Wonder why a true Constututional Lawyer hasn’t touched the BO issue?

  193. ddlew Says:

    Ksinde. Says:
    December 9, 2008 at 2:09 am

    DD… OMG give me a break, what a crackpot!!! I feel like the biggest dumba$$ for ever thinking there was a tape. I am so ashamed in myself!

    ======================

    Your not he only one.

  194. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    lol hey guys 🙂

  195. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    not kidding when I said i was buzzed…. and the hubby just handed me another glass of wine….ouuuttt ohhh

  196. ddlew Says:

    Come on over to Ed’s show…We are all in chat….His show (sound) has mysteriously been interrupted

  197. sliderblaze Says:

    uh

  198. Ksinde. Says:

    that darn chat goes to fast for me

  199. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Did someone steal my kitty!? Here kitty, kitty…

    I posted this on Digg after a read the ChiTrib article/letter (someone asked what hospital Obama was born in):

    Obama doesn’t even know which hospital he was born in. His family (particularly his sister) has claimed two different hospitals in HI. No hospital in HI has records of either Anne Dunham Obama or Barack Obama II ever being in their hospitals. B. Obama has also claimed a possible home birth. Obama’s grandmother and two half siblings claim they were there when he was born in Mombassa, Kenya. So, it is yet another mystery – your guess is as good as his!

  200. thinkingmom11 Says:

    calli was just yankin’ my chain about kitty…

  201. sliderblaze Says:

    can someone post over a patericos website the difference between the naturalized cit. a citizen and a natural born cit.

    i have to get off here.

    patterico.com/2008/12/08/supreme-court-denies-cert-in-birth-certificate-case/#comment-432299

  202. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    mom i like your kitty…. 🙂

  203. j.b. Says:

    Uhhh, I was listening to Manning and reading the chat and it went POOF, too! Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

  204. hockeyfan530 Says:

    at first i didn’t like manning talking about Obama not being black. Although i agree I just didn’t see the relevance of it. But at the end I liked that he said he was laying the groundwork for when this does blow up on bambam that the black community will not be mad at anybody but bambam himself. Excellent point. Looking forward to the video of the conference.

  205. j.b. Says:

    uh

    🙂

    Wish I could help out with the patterico situation SB, but, um, I have to warsh my hair.

  206. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    audio is back at plains if you didn’t know

  207. j.b. Says:

    Yeah, Manning is a bit over the top but I like him. He was saying so many inappropriate things way back, I think that it took some of his creedance away. I know that Hannity would not let him back on his show………….big p*ssy.

    Oops, did I say that? Yep, I shore nuf did.

  208. rosettasister Says:

    I just heard Pastor Manning say that he, too, will put up video of National Press Club conference:

    http://www.atlah.org/

    http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=ATLAHWorldwide&view=videos

  209. hockeyfan530 Says:

    does anyone know about the other suit that berg is working on? Is it about the forged documents and fraud?

  210. ddlew Says:

    sliderblaze Says:
    December 9, 2008 at 2:39 am

    can someone post over a patericos website the difference between the naturalized cit. a citizen and a natural born cit.

    i have to get off here.

    patterico.com/2008/12/08/supreme-court-denies-cert-in-birth-certificate-case/#comment-432299

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I did it

  211. j.b. Says:

    I hope so, HF, but I don’t know.

  212. thinkingmom11 Says:

    slider I went over there (patterico’s) and posted the 14th amendment information Fox posted where the framer of the amendment concluded that only persons with both parent not owing allegience to any other jurisdiction/power could be considered “natural born.” Hope they can read it all…

  213. rosettasister Says:

    “Eligibility dispute, Part 2, scheduled by Supremes”

    ”Court rejects claim challenging candidacy, schedules another for Friday conference”

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=83113

    http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=83113

  214. ddlew Says:

    thinkingmom11 Says:
    December 9, 2008 at 2:57 am

    slider I went over there (patterico’s) and posted the 14th amendment information Fox posted where the framer of the amendment concluded that only persons with both parent not owing allegience to any other jurisdiction/power could be considered “natural born.” Hope they can read it all…

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    See post #27
    patterico.com/2008/12/08/supreme-court-denies-cert-in-birth-certificate-case/#comment-432313

  215. Tenacity Says:

    Just in case anyone didn’t know, Leo is on Plains Radio now (after the break)

  216. rosettasister Says:

    Well, at least today’s NPC event got some press:

    “The born conspiracy”

    Sanity was nowhere to be found at the press conference held by the alarmists who believe Obama is not a U.S. citizen.

    By Mike Madden

    Dec. 09, 2008

    http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/12/09/birth_certificate/

  217. j.b. Says:

    Who is Leo talking to?

  218. thinkingmom11 Says:

    I just got called an oxymoron at patterico’s after I posted a primary source for a natural born citizen being the offspring of two citizen parents. What a bunch of bozos…

  219. hockeyfan530 Says:

    the guy from the washington state case i believe

  220. ddlew Says:

    Steve Pidgeon

  221. ddlew Says:

    thinkingmom11 Says:
    December 9, 2008 at 3:20 am

    I just got called an oxymoron at patterico’s after I posted a primary source for a natural born citizen being the offspring of two citizen parents. What a bunch of bozos…

    ========================

    I vouched for ya

    🙂

  222. hockeyfan530 Says:

    LOL an oxymoron….as in jumbo shrimp? LOL

  223. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Thanks dd – I don’t think they will care. But if they want to ignore primary sources and authentic arguments then they have chosen idiocy.

  224. j.b. Says:

    The comment below was snipped from the salon.com article posted above. I found the part about Berg having “another lawsuit up his sleeve”. interesting…….This is the one with the super, duper, secret stuff inside, right? I betcha!

    Berg has another lawsuit up his sleeve if the ones he’s involved in fail, though he said he couldn’t talk about it because the proceedings have been sealed. For the foreseeable future, there could be “a new lawsuit for every action Obama takes” as president, Berg said. And to think Clinton had it bad.

  225. hockeyfan530 Says:

    did you hear ed ask someone to get him a pack of cigarettes in the background…what a pro LOL

  226. thinkingmom11 Says:

    yep Hockey – I think they were mocking my screen name…

  227. j.b. Says:

    did you hear ed ask someone to get him a pack of cigarettes in the background…what a pro LOL

    Yes, I did, but I can’t recall if it was before or after he coughed up (what sounded like) a lung.
    I know, eeeuuuwwwwww.

  228. Tucker82254 Says:

    From freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2145035/posts?q=1&;page=251

    On January 8, 2009, both the U.S. Senate and House shall meet for the purpose of counting and certifying the electoral votes. After the vote has been counted, the President of the Senate shall call for objections. It is at this time that Federal officials in both the House and Senate may object to the certification of President-elect Obama by alleging that he fails to meet the Constitutional requirements to serve as President of the United States. Please be assured that I will continue to monitor this issue very carefully, and I will act when appropriate and necessary.

    Again, thank you for contacting me. If I can be of further assistance in the future, please do not hesitate to call on me.

    Sincerely,
    John Linder
    Member of Congress

    VERY encouraging! He’s my Rep. You GO John!!!

  229. j.b. Says:

    Yes, that is encouraging. 🙂

    I just hope someone has the baseballs to speak up!

  230. Foxtrot Says:

    I have to get to bed but what is all this talk about Obama allegedly having AIDS?!?!? This is the first I heard it! According to bloggers on Plains Radio, one of the bloggers stated she went on STD.com and found Obama’s name there a while ago. She copied it to save it. Now it is gone from the website! Anyone else hear this?

  231. Foxtrot Says:

    Gotta go but I hope someone touches on this subject tomorrow, as well as provides details about what Leo said on the Plains Talk Radio interview. I came on after it was all done. However, it should be said that I did post a very relevant comment and it went something like this, “ROSETTA GANG ROCKS!” HEHE!

    Night!

  232. hockeyfan530 Says:

    fox, did you read the post early about the doctor in thailand that claims to have done a sex change surgery on bambam when he was 10. It even went on to say that bambam and michelle went to Bali because bambam started growing breasts and have breast cancer. Just crazy wild stuff there….and no, i don’t believe that one LOL

  233. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    fox
    heard that awhile ago ……

  234. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    wild rumors…..lol

  235. sba1872 Says:

    Per drkate at td blog – texasdarlin.wordpress.com:

    “Update: Amicus brief filed by Elector in Arizona in support of Berg. The amicus brief focuses on the issue of who has the burden of proof. Here is the link:

    wthrockmorton.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/joyce_anderson-amicus-final.pdf

    Apparently there are more amicus briefs in support of Berg.”

  236. j.b. Says:

    I have to get to bed but what is all this talk about Obama allegedly having AIDS?!?!? This is the first I heard it! According to bloggers on Plains Radio, one of the bloggers stated she went on STD.com and found Obama’s name there a while ago. She copied it to save it. Now it is gone from the website! Anyone else hear this?

    Without the release of those medical records, I guess anything is possible and we are left to our imagination, aren’t we?

    With everything else we know and DON’T know about B.O…….. Well, I, for one, admit I will believe almost anything about him and his skeezy self. Oh, except that hokey part about a sex change! lol.

    I hope L.S. has been tested lately!

  237. j.b. Says:

    Without the release of those medical records, I guess anything is possible and we are left to our imagination, aren’t we?

    With everything else we know and DON’T know about B.O…….. Well, I, for one, admit I will believe almost anything about him and his skeezy self. Oh, except that hokey part about a sex change! lol.

    I hope L.S. has been tested lately!

  238. hockeyfan530 Says:

    has berg or leo mentioned this

    usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

    this is what is concerning:

    Natural-born citizen

    Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?

    The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.

    Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”

    ***********Anyone born inside the United States (this part is concerning)

    Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person’s status as a citizen of the tribe
    Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
    Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
    Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
    Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
    Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
    A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

    **********************************************************
    Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President
    (this is also concerning)
    ***********************************************************

    I added the asteriks

  239. Troy Says:

    Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President
    (this is also concerning)
    ————————————————————-
    I can guarantee you that the above is not written in any US Legal binding doc.

    That was added as someone’s OPINION and I have stated many times what I think of opinions

  240. hockeyfan530 Says:

    sorry guys…did some more research and the statement above isn’t complete concerning anyone born in the united state. The full text reads:

    (a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof

    “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” is what Leo has said is the clincher against bambam. At least i think i remember him talking about that

  241. hockeyfan530 Says:

    well, off to correct another erroneous article LOL

  242. Troy Says:

    I f you can post a link showing the official US Document that states, “Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President”, then I will eat my keyboard!!!!

  243. hockeyfan530 Says:

    Troy, sorry, like i said the full text wasn’t on the site.

    (a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;

    My bad! It won’t happen again….well, it probably will but….

  244. Troy Says:

    Hehehe…can you post it anyway?….I would like to see what is being passed around.

    No need to apologize to me, BTW.

  245. Troy Says:

    You know what Fan, the truth is eventually going to come…It’s just a matter of when.

  246. hockeyfan530 Says:

    media.www.dennews.com/media/storage/paper309/news/2008/12/09/Opinions/Column.Obamas.Citizenship.Lets.Let.It.Go.Already-3574884.shtml

    there is a link to Title 8 Section 1401

  247. hockeyfan530 Says:

    it is so frustrating that I’ve only read a handful of articles that get the case correct. They all concentrate on the bc. Always bring up it has been verified by factcheck. I just read one that even used the announcement in the Hawaiian paper as evidence….LOL

  248. Tenacity Says:

    Ladies and germs,
    Hfans post above is not too dissimilar to the article posted by the Atlanta lady super attorney in the Harvard Law Journal. Google Natural Born Citizen and her HLJ paper should pop up. You can also find it in yesterday’s thread. There are plenty of people who just make it up as they go.

  249. Troy Says:

    Ok, I’m glad you posted that, because I have seen it before and it is very misleading and was just as I suspected, someone’s opinion….The part where it says,“Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President”, was written by the author of the article.

    If you click on the actual Legal Document, it NEVER states that and also never says, “natural born citizen”

    It has become well known that NOWHERE in ANY U.S. Legal Binding Doc. is the phrase “natural born citizen” defined or clarified….If it was, we wouldn’t be in this mess.

    Don’t let anyone try to tell you that it is defined anywhere, because IT IS NOT!!!

  250. hockeyfan530 Says:

    yeah, i just read another article the left out the ever important last part “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof”. Unbelievable.

    I mean i was concerned when i first read it that we could be in trouble. But i did some research and found the entire statement. But how many people will simply read “born on US soil” and not look into it further? 100% of the bambamonites and 50% of the rest I would say would be a good guess.

  251. hockeyfan530 Says:

    found another one in the St Petersburg times that used the exact same point about born on US soil. VERY misleading. These are supposed to be professional journalist? My lanta this is insane. It has to be intentional!

  252. hockeyfan530 Says:

    well, going to bed, sorry to stir up this little hornets nest…well, my work here is done LOL

  253. Troy Says:

    Yep, agreed….Leo’s interpretation is probably correct as to what the framer’s intentions were….That is why he filed his case….He needs the SCOTUS to agree with him….It will all come down to how many S/C Justices are “Originalists” and how many are “Activists”…Watch these two videos…Very enlightening…..Here is part one, part two is accessible when you open the link….Enjoy!!!

    http//
    www
    youtube.com/watch?v=VXeUfVhDVUM&feature=related

  254. sba1872 Says:

    news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081209/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_obama

    This one gets Donofrio’s case right, anyway. Then it messes up with the “non-partisan factcheck.org” and ending with Hawaiian officials determining that “there’s no doubt that Obama was born in Hawaii.”

    Last line is the best:

    “(This version CORRECTS that Hawaii officials, not secretary of state, confirmed Obama birth certificate.)”

  255. sba1872 Says:

    Hockeyfan, Troy, Tenacity:

    That usconstitution.net site is the source for the Wikipedia article on natural-born that Al posted the other day, specifically at footnote 17. Footnote 17 in the Wiki article is a link to usconstitution.net. Most interesting is that that footnote was added 11/28/08. Hmmm. As my mother used to say: “One lies and the other one swears to it.”

  256. sba1872 Says:

    In my singularly persistent search for any information available regarding BO’s Punahou scholarship (yeah, I know, futile), I came across this site, showing the various Dunham/Obama residences. Proves nothing, but thought I’d share for anyone who may enjoy “Obama Slept Here” trivia:

    obamasneighborhood.com/homes.html

  257. dixieinflorida Says:

    hockeyfan530 Says:
    December 9, 2008 at 5:38 am

    found another one in the St Petersburg times that used the exact same point about born on US soil. VERY misleading. These are supposed to be professional journalist? My lanta this is insane. It has to be intentional!
    ******************
    I suggest we email them and tell them what we think of them.

  258. Tenacity Says:

    Funny how they get the ius soli but conveniently avoid ius sanguaris (sp?)

  259. Troy Says:

    Here’s a really good article

    http//
    atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/12/birth-certifi-1.html

  260. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Anyone here?

  261. sliderblaze Says:

    sort of…lol

  262. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Good Morning, slider!

    Where’s everyone at? Looks like it was a pretty long night in here!

  263. sliderblaze Says:

    i dont know, i just kinda got here myself

  264. thinkingmom11 Says:

    ‘mornin Pep, Slider…just checking in here for links and info before I run off and look at my e-paper (my web news sites that I go to every morning). All I need are some funnies…any suggestions?

  265. thinkingmom11 Says:

    americanthinker.com/2008/12/obama_derangement_syndrome.html

    I was just reading this and it reminded me that even if, as we all seems to agree, that Obama isn’t “natural born” because his father and dual citizenship, that it sure would be nice for the simple-minded, mind-numbed idjets out there if he really was born in Kenya – keeping it simple and not so esoteric for those who haven’t kept up with the issue….just dreamin’ I know…

  266. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    TM, the truth is the truth, and like or not–the Truth will always prevail…maybe not in this hour or the next, but it will prevail. I just hope that our generation is not the one to see the USA go down in someone else’s history, as history!

    May God give us all grace to fight this issue where we are called to fight it. There is a simple solution. However, the people who have the power to bring it about refuse to do so. Therefore, we must take the road, as they travel the low road–

    Cheers–

  267. dixieinflorida Says:

    Does anyone know if the press conference video is up yet?

  268. sliderblaze Says:

    yeah, i run into peeps like that all the time, never heard anything about he cases or read anything about them, calling them dumb and stupid lawsuits, i ran across some on the blogs last night that wanted to site aol and NBC on the issue, never once going to leo’s website and reading the info on there. amazing, i kno

  269. sliderblaze Says:

    chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-rod-blagojevich-1209,0,7997804.story

    BIG news of the day?

  270. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Pep – As much as I don’t like it – the low road it is… That is the reason we have lost so much ground – we haven’t been willing to slug it out nasty with the adversary. While it makes us feel better unfortunately, no one else is paying attention! Truth will prevail. It would be wise of us to encourage our Congressmen that the final toll is when they certify the votes and, just like before a wedding, they ask for objections. Who ever has the cajones to stand up then and there – well, they will be the next American hero to many of us.

    BTW – I LOVE how you cook! I never knew that that was what “naked” chef meant – but that is EXACTLY what I do. Drives my husband batty because he knows that I don’t write stuff down when I cook so the likelyhood of me being able to recreate something is pretty slim. Fortunately, the Lord blessed me with some pretty decent cooking skills so even if I can’t recreate something, I just cook something else yummy instead!

  271. thinkingmom11 Says:

    dixie – i think it is supposed to be on freedommarch.org by this afternoon…not sure if it will be up sooner on wethepeople.com before then.

  272. hockeyfan530 Says:

    yep, 99% of the articles range from blatantly false to slighty misrepresentative of the truth about the cases. It’s crazy that these people keep putting out this crap. They never report on them until they are rejected. It just takes one. Also, berg’s case that he is secretly working on. Can’t wait to hear the particulars on that. Hope it includes proof the bc is forged and/or the SSR is forged. Plus a smattering of school records showing bambam applied as a foreign student. Which would explain why bambam seemed to have only foreign roommates

  273. sliderblaze Says:

    well FAN, they would have to get off their knees first….take #$% out of mouth, then write article

  274. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    What I think is amazing is that Chicago Tribune and the Tribune folks have had to declare bankruptcy. This is the second Msm that’s had to do so since the election. I think they underestimated the American public. Who wants to read their “cr@p” when it’s just propaganda? It’s no longer objective journalism! Where did objective journalism go? Can someone please point me down the hallowed halls where it must have been kidnapped and is being held hostage?

    Every day I find more and more evidence that what Jesus said is always true! This time it is, my version: You can’t serve two masters, for you will hate the one and love the other, or love the one and hate the other– therefore, you cannot serve God and money at the same time. This is true.

    When the MSM was truly serving the people, they were always against the government! Now, they are serving the government and they are against their public!

    For example, look at Joe the Plumber! Any other time in history, they would have been incensed at how Joe’s freedoms had been tromped over– yet, now that they are for the government, they did not only abandon what they would have done formerly, but they villified Joe.

    Where are we headed and what will it take to stop this snowball descending quickly into hades?

  275. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    What I think is amazing is that Chicago Tribune and the Tribune folks have had to declare bankruptcy. This is the second Msm that’s had to do so since the election. I think they underestimated the American public. Who wants to read their “cr@p” when it’s just propaganda? It’s no longer objective journalism! Where did objective journalism go? Can someone please point me down the hallowed halls where it must have been kidnapped and is being held hostage?

    Every day I find more and more evidence that what Jesus said is always true! This time it is, my version: You can’t serve two masters, for you will hate the one and love the other, or love the one and hate the other– therefore, you cannot serve God and money at the same time. This is true.

    When the MSM was truly serving the people, they were always against the government! Now, they are serving the government and they are against their public!

    For example, look at Joe the Plumber! Any other time in history, they would have been incensed at how Joe’s freedoms had been tromped over– yet, now that they are for the government, they did not only abandon what they would have done formerly, but they villified Joe.

    Where are we headed and what will it take to stop this snowball descending quickly into hades?

  276. sliderblaze Says:

    foxnews.com/story/0,2933,464024,00.html

    so i guess no one gets their hair or make-up done today….lol

  277. CJ Says:

    Hasaven’t read the posts so apologize if this is posted already. Illinois governor taken into federal custody. Just came across MarketWatch alerts. Obama’s friends mare a fun lot aren’t they? When is it his turn I wonder. Cj

  278. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Let me guess Bladjowhatsit is a Democrat…right? Because they never mention his political party. If he was a republican they would have the little “-R” after his name every time they print it – doncha know…

  279. CJ Says:

    Haven’t read the posts so apologize if this is posted already. Illinois governor taken into federal custody. Just came across MarketWatch alerts. Obama’s friends mare a fun lot aren’t they? When is it his turn I wonder. Cj

  280. CJ Says:

    Sorry, I have fat finger syndrome again this morning. 2 posts by mistake and spelling errors. Yeesh.

  281. sliderblaze Says:

    Rod Blagojevich is part of that Chicago machine, also, i think rezko was also spilling his guts about him as well

  282. sliderblaze Says:

    CJ, i blame the text message age on spelling…..seems to work

  283. sliderblaze Says:

    i hope they have something on him involving rezko and charge that clown with RICO

  284. thinkingmom11 Says:

    LOL slider – that is funny! I read that whole article in my head with a lisp – that was F-U-N!!! no hair and makeup – HA HA I might watch FOX if that happens – let’s see the news honey without pro hair and face (BTW – i used to be a makeup artist…and NO I am not gay – but I AM usually pretty happy 🙂 )

  285. dixieinflorida Says:

    thinkingmom11 Says:
    December 9, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    dixie – i think it is supposed to be on freedommarch.org by this afternoon…not sure if it will be up sooner on wethepeople.com before then.
    ****************
    Thanks mom
    **********************
    CJ Says:
    December 9, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    Hasaven’t read the posts so apologize if this is posted already. Illinois governor taken into federal custody. Just came across MarketWatch alerts. Obama’s friends mare a fun lot aren’t they? When is it his turn I wonder. Cj
    ***************
    I’ve done a search for this but don’t find anything. Do you have a link?

  286. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Dixie – here’s one from Slider

    chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-rod-blagojevich-1209,0,7997804.story

  287. dixieinflorida Says:

    Never mind I found it

    foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/09/report-illinois-governor-taken-federal-custody/

  288. sdee Says:

    Interesting link Slider! Not everyday a Governor is arrested. Illinios? Rezko? Obama? Chicago? Coincidence?

    I love his quote:
    “Regardless of “whether you tape me privately or publicly, I can tell you that whatever I say is always lawful and the things I’m interested in are always lawful,” Blagojevich said. “And if there are any things out there like that, what you’ll hear is a governor who tirelessly and endlessly figures out ways to help average, ordinary working people.”

    Translation: “I never talk about what I am really up to – anyway, if I did anything to catch the fed’s attention, its’ just to help out the downtrodden among us”

    Sound familiar?

  289. sliderblaze Says:

    lol MOM, my sister tammy is a celeb. make-up artist in L.A. right now she’s contracted with estee lauder as their featured celebrity make up artist

  290. sliderblaze Says:

    news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081209/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_obama

    of course the AP gets it wrong, title article on Yahoo.com

  291. sliderblaze Says:

    msnbc has somthiing on Rod B….but it’s only 50 words long….lol, i found that amusing

  292. sdee Says:

    from the Fox article:

    “According to the affidavit, Blagojevich floated the idea of “a substantial salary for himself at a either a nonprofit foundation or an organization affiliated with labor unions;” a corporate board seat for his wife worth as much as $150,000 a year; promises of campaign funds, including cash up front….”

    and where have we heard that story before?! There must be a dirty Chicago politics playbook somewhere.

  293. sliderblaze Says:

    So, will rod B sing like a bird….hmmmmm…..a lil India truth serum my be in order

  294. dixieinflorida Says:

    Blagojevich and Harris, along with others, obtained and sought to gain financial benefits for the governor, members of his family and his campaign fund in exchange for appointments to state boards and commissions, state jobs and state contracts.
    *******************
    Kinda like Hillery campaigning for bama and being promised the SOS job

  295. sliderblaze Says:

    Rod B press conf. at 11 a.m. cant wait

  296. sliderblaze Says:

    drudge has a pic of obama shaking dudes hand….lol, nice touch drudge

  297. thinkingmom11 Says:

    According to the affidavit, Blagojevich floated the idea of “a substantial salary for himself at a either a nonprofit foundation or an organization affiliated with labor unions;” a corporate board seat for his wife worth as much as $150,000 a year; promises of campaign funds, including cash up front; and a Cabinet post or ambassadorship for himself.
    ++++++++++++

    WHO – exactly – was he talking to when discussing a Cabinet post or Ambassadorship!!? I believe that those are PRESIDENTIAL appointments….hmmmmm

  298. jjones Says:

    Who’s Rod B?

  299. jjones Says:

    DOH ! nevermind

  300. sliderblaze Says:

    good point MOM…….very interesting turn of events the machine may have lost a gear

  301. sliderblaze Says:

    please, i’m praying i hear the term RICO sometime during this press conference, maybe a lil early but, still……

  302. dixieinflorida Says:

    Oh wonderful now I guess Al Gore will be back in the tank as him and that one are meeting in Chicago today. Certainly a lot of change taking place. Clinton, Gores……….who next?Jesse Jackson

  303. sliderblaze Says:

    yeah, i dont recall clinton appointing people from the Carter Era?

  304. ladyliberty Says:

    If you get a few minutes, take a look at this quiz about “American Civil Literacy.”

    w w w.americancivicliteracy.org/resources/quiz.aspx

    You have all heard about how bad American’s do at answering question on basic American civics and history. This is interesting because the quiz results also shows that those low performers actually score higher than our elected officials. See the results here:

    w w w .americancivicliteracy.org/2008/additional_finding.html

    Now I understand how this all happened with BO getting as far as he has. “-)

  305. sliderblaze Says:

    i scored 75% on that liberty, i took it about 2 weeks ago, some of the questions are hard tho, some i was like WTF?

  306. Foxtrot Says:

    dixieinflorida Says:

    Good Morning everyone. Can only stay a few minutes.

    Dixie –this supposition is one that I CAN refute with 100% certainty! Hilllary was never promised the SOS job to campaign for Obama. My inside peeps tell me she was trying to do the mininums in hopes he would help pay down her campaign debt (which is customary in both parties). After the election was over, and the debt was not paid, Obama thug Axelrod knew that if Obama didn’t offer Hillary an appointment, the Hillary supporters would never accept Obama for a second term. In addition, my sources say, Obama is so “light” on foreign experience and “who’s who” of the world, that he needed Hillary, who already knows most of the world leaders through Bill, to give him credibility around the world.

    I can tell you that I travel all around the world and Hillary and Bill Clinton are rock stars! I have yet to go to a country, even long after they were gone, when people didn’t speak so highly of them. Whether some of you like them or not, their world reputation is phenomenal!

    Hope that clears this up.
    December 9, 2008 at 3:02 pm
    Blagojevich and Harris, along with others, obtained and sought to gain financial benefits for the governor, members of his family and his campaign fund in exchange for appointments to state boards and commissions, state jobs and state contracts.
    *******************
    Kinda like Hillery campaigning for bama and being promised the SOS job

  307. thinkingmom11 Says:

    cbs2chicago.com/local/rod.blagojevich.charged.2.883170.html

    Dixie – this article is very indepth on the Bladowhatsit situation…

    Man – they get in deep in the muck in Chicago…what a puke

  308. sliderblaze Says:

    Fox, i wont get into it right now with over the Clintons lol

    quote on drug from Rod

    ‘A fu**ing valuable thing, you just don’t give it away for nothing’…
    Wiretaps: ‘I Want To Make Money’…

  309. Foxtrot Says:

    Weren’t Leo and Cort supposed to have a press conference in front of SCOTUS some time this morning?

  310. Foxtrot Says:

    Slider — I already stated why he gave her the appointment. It was to protect his own A$$! It had nothing to do with helping Hillary!

  311. Lyn Says:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/09/report-illinois-governor-taken-federal-custody/

    did you see some of the charges are selling Barky’s seat? How stupid can you be, you KNOW you are being investigated and Rezko probably will be talking about you BUt you get caught on tape trying to sell his seat?

    Too bad Obama probably won’t be arrested, I guess rezko kept quite about him long enough to see if he had a chance of being pardonnned.

  312. Foxtrot Says:

    Was the Governor of IL really arrested this morning?

  313. sliderblaze Says:

    i’m talking about the Clintons in general hun, remember, i voted for clinton in 96

    i for one thought she shoulda tried and picked off Reid for majority leader

  314. Foxtrot Says:

    If he was, I hope he and Rezko sing like canaries to implicate Obama!

  315. sliderblaze Says:

    Yes Fox, on a totally unrelated investigation from the rezko issue, to corruptions investigations going at once, i love it

  316. sliderblaze Says:

    yeah, that’d be two

  317. ladyliberty Says:

    Hey Slider – I got an 83, but I know I just guessed well on a few of them. The questions ranged from the very easy to WTF – as you said. Still – the general public does that much better than our politicians? Crazy!

  318. Foxtrot Says:

    If we know anything about Hillary . . . she doesn’t do anything politically unless it is well thought out as to how it will affect her future! The woman is brilliant! If she took the job, I know there must be a good reason for it.

    Also, remember, when Kennedy indicated he would snub Hillary from being involved in the reworking of our healthcare system, she knew her “baby” would be out of her control. She has worked tirelessly to get healthcare to all Americans for years, and that was a slap in the face.

    As I said, the woman knows what she is doing. And some day, we will finally realize why she took the position.

  319. sliderblaze Says:

    ok, so the press conf. on Rod is now at 12.

  320. Foxtrot Says:

    Has any MSM stated that any “dirt” would be brought forward about Obama with this Rezko/Governor scandal?

  321. Foxtrot Says:

    Slider – Is the “Rod” press conference the same as Leo and Cort’s press conference?

  322. sliderblaze Says:

    no, it’s Rod Blogblahblahblahnaviches on the charges

    omg i just heard a past ceo of fanny mae say that dispite the financial crises, the gse’s were very successful….wtf

  323. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    morning everyone

  324. dixieinflorida Says:

    Thanks TM I read it.

    Fox you know what they say about opinions and everyone has one.

    “Hillary will let Obama keep abusing her, and will always forgive him when he offers her a present and an “I’m sorry”. Watch this situation closely, for if she accepts the Secretary of State position from him, we will see it play out for us time after time. Until Obama decides that he’s tired of her, that she’s just not the fun girl that she used to be. I don’t give them long. Yet that’s not even the whole of it.

    Obama, by offering her the job, is determining by her response just exactly how much abuse he can exert and keep her in line at the same time. This time he will control her political destiny, for she will serve entirely at his pleasure – and when he’s done with her, she’ll be out of work.

    Mark my words, Obama will, if he so desires, make her his scapegoat for any failed policies, ensure that her good name is smeared (and the way people adore Obama, they will do and say anything that he wants), and that she will essentially become a laughing stock in the face of America and the world. If he wants to, he can, and I believe that he will.”

    democratfreeblog.wordpress.com/

  325. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Lady – I took the quiz…it was challenging but I got an 88 – went brain dead on an easy one – who has the power to declare war -DUH…oh well

  326. sliderblaze Says:

    Not yet Fox, but one can come to the conclusion that it’s just gotta be a matter of time before that happens, Obama was part of the Chicago machine, not just a sideliner

  327. Lyn Says:

    WHO – exactly – was he talking to when discussing a Cabinet post or Ambassadorship!!? I believe that those are PRESIDENTIAL appointments….hmmmmm

    TMom THAT was the first thing I asked my husband

  328. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Lyn – isn’t it funny how some things just get by us with out grabbing our attention but then some things just jump up and slap you in the face!?

  329. sliderblaze Says:

    Note on the sideliner statement

    even if he was, the remote change a sideliner, that makes him complacent.

    and rezko was a fundraiser and contributer to Rod

  330. rosettasister Says:

    Good morning, America!

    I trust you are well this morning!

    New Thread:

    https://rosettasister.wordpress.com/2008/12/09/wrotnowski-v-bysiewicz-friday-december-12-2008/

  331. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    foxy and I both can wave at the former Illinois gov Ryan…..lol he’s locked up in the federal Prison about 2 miles from my house.

  332. Foxtrot Says:

    Boy, if they could directly link this to Obama, he would be done!
    ========================

    Gov. Rod Blagojevich and his chief of staff John Harris were arrested today by FBI agents on federal corruption charges.

    Blagojevich and Harris were accused of a wide-ranging criminal conspiracy that included Blagojevich conspiring to sell or trade the Senate seat left vacant by President-elect Barack Obama in exchange for financial benefits for the governor and his wife. The governor was also accused of obtaining campaign contributions in exchange for other official actions.

    Blagojevich was taken into federal custody at his North Side home this morning.

    On the issue of the U.S. Senate selection, federal prosecutors alleged Blagojevich sought appointment as Secretary of Health and Human Services in the new Obama administration, or a lucrative job with a union in exchange for appointing a union-preferred candidate.

    Blagojevich and Harris conspired to demand the firing of Chicago Tribune editorial board members responsible for editorials critical of Blagojevich in exchange for state help with the sale of Wrigley Field, the Chicago Cubs baseball stadium owned by Tribune Co.

    Blagojevich and Harris, along with others, obtained and sought to gain financial benefits for the governor, members of his family and his campaign fund in exchange for appointments to state boards and commissions, state jobs and state contracts.

    “The breadth of corruption laid out in these charges is staggering,” U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald said in a statement.

    “They allege that Blagojevich put a ‘for sale’ sign on the naming of a United States senator; involved himself personally in pay-to-play schemes with the urgency of a salesman meeting his annual sales target; and corruptly used his office in an effort to trample editorial voices of criticism.”

  333. Foxtrot Says:

    My main reason for posting it was because he wanted a position in the Obama cabinet. He couldn’t have that unless Obama gave it to him. Hence, Obama is probably involved in all of this!

  334. ladyliberty Says:

    WTG Mom! I did the same thing on the Roe v. Wade question. When I reread it I was sooo mad!

  335. Foxtrot Says:

    NEW THREAD FOLKS. CHECK ABOVE!

  336. ladyliberty Says:

    Looks like some good discussion going on in here. Lunch is over so I must get back to work….be back later!

  337. CJ Says:

    Who wants to bet the Obama gamg set this up. Was said on Rush today that the good Gov reached out to one Mr. Rahm Emmanuel re the Senate seat. My, my less than 24 hours later he is arrested by the Feds. Better be careful who you try to hop in bed with. The Gov probably thought he was following orders and then got a little greedy, wanting his piece of the pie. Not wise when the thug patrol is waiting to trip you up. Should be interesting to see what the next chapter brings to the great state of Illinois and the Chicago den of thieves.

  338. WebHostingAffiliate Says:

    Its all over youtube 🙂

  339. rosettasister Says:

    WebHostingAffiliate Says:
    December 10, 2008 at 1:46 am

    ———————–

    Welcome, WHA!

    Everyone’s gone here.

    New Thread:

    https://rosettasister.wordpress.com/2008/12/09/wrotnowski-v-bysiewicz-friday-december-12-2008/

    You should be able to post at will now.

    Rosetta

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