“That Bleeping Birth Certificate” by Steven D. Laib

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Steven D. Laib is a semi-retired attorney living in Cypress, Texas, just northwest of Houston. He is a member of the California State Bar, and United States Supreme Court Bar.

http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/12/06/that-bleeping-birth-certificate/

The government should have an affirmative duty to investigate candidate qualifications and to make public any documentation thereof; after all, when they apply for the highest office in the land, they should be held to the strict constitutional standard and every citizen has a right to see that the Constitution is followed.

EXCERPT

The state of Hawaii is asserting that privacy laws forbid it from revealing the certificate. This should be considered a bogus claim. Anyone running for the presidency has placed himself in the arena of a public, rather than a private citizen. A candidate is, for all practical purposes, giving up his privacy rights, and making his or her entire life open to scrutiny by the public and the press. Their personal records should and must be part of this. If Obama supporters are allowed to investigate and report on “Joe the Plumber” with impunity, the public has an equal and reciprocal right to investigate a candidate.

There is a second and even more important reason why the certificate must be produced. As Berg’s suit, and those of other parties have pointed out, birth status is a constitutional requirement to hold the office of president. If this rule is not followed, then it brings into question the issue of whether or not any aspect of the Constitution, at all, must be followed. Already we have seen challenges in the courts and in the overall media environment of certain government actions. Whether we are dealing with establishing the Federal Reserve Bank, removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq, or bailing out the financial and automobile industries, people have valid questions. Sometimes it is not enough to say “you have no standing to sue” or “this is covered under the legislative interstate commerce clause and is settled law.” It is a slippery slope argument, but such arguments are not invalid simply because of the foundation they are built on. The courts should regularly review such actions to prevent legislative power from running unchecked. The intent of the framers of the document should carry significant weight in such review.

As for the Obama birth certificate, I, personally, have no interest in the thing beyond silencing the argument over it once and for all. If the certificate is never produced, and proper birth status is never verified, one way or the other, it will likely become the core of another Great American Conspiracy Theory such as those surrounding the death of John F. Kennedy. The Kennedy assassination conspiracies have been debunked, for all practical purposes, but they haven’t gone away. We don’t need another one of these things. We need openness, we need transparency and we need honesty. If there is a valid certificate, stating all of the relevant information as the state of Hawaii asserts, the Supreme Court or any other court should support its production for public view. I doing so, it can state a compelling public interest; the interest that the Constitution must be followed, and that anyone who seeks office governed by the Constitution must prove their eligibility, or it calls constitutional authority into question. In fact, every candidate from Hilary Clinton to Rudy Giuliani should have been required to produce their certificates when filing as candidates. The matter should not be subject to question because of the constitutional requirement.

Paul Berg isn’t entirely a crackpot. His case has merit, as do the others seeking production of the certificate. If it is produced and everything is in order, the case disappears along with the conspiracy theorists and the office of the presidency goes on without a hitch. If it is not produced, the potential for future complications could be very significant. We might even end up with President Ahhnold, who could claim that he wasn’t really born in Austria, and that he doesn’t have to prove he was born here. See what I mean?

slaib@intellectualconservative.com
http://intellectualconservative.com

See also:

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/263145

http://www.bloggernews.net/118901

http://www.bnd.com/news/weird_news/story/569609.html

See also:

http://www.redcounty.com/national/2008/12/another-obama-birth-certificat/

Freeper thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2144417/posts

Phil Berg Barack Obama Ron Polarik Jeff Schreiber

501 Responses to ““That Bleeping Birth Certificate” by Steven D. Laib”

  1. jjones Says:

    first!

  2. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    lol

  3. thinkingmom11 Says:

    The author lives in the town I grew up in!! How interesting…used to be a little country town until Houston swollowed it right up.

  4. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    food for thought

    If this issue needs to be settled before Bam bam is President.

    the first time he writes or signs off on a law, and this same law is broken.
    It will be open season for a criminal attorney to bring up that the law was void because BO is not quilified….. this will tie up the criminal courts to a stand
    still

  5. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    ok ignore the typo’s.. still haven’t had enough coffee yet :0

  6. jjones Says:

    Just in case you missed it fom the last thread…
    marchreport.com/ third column
    API is a hoax… go figure 🙂

  7. thinkingmom11 Says:

    I thought the march report “blurb” above the API thing was interesting.

    “The Supreme Court will not issue a decision as to whether or not it will grant a hearing of the case of Donofrio vs. Wells, questioning the eligibility of Barack Obama to become President of the United States due to concerns regarding the allegation that he is not a “Natural Born Citizen,” until Dec. 8, according to a court spokeswoman. The Donofrio case was not one of the two cases granted a hearing on December 5. ”

    Seems to me they want to take a little closer look at this, maybe combine cases and evidence…might be good news after all. The fact that a court spokesperson said ANYTHING is of interest – generally they don’t make much too do over things they are pretty sure they are going to toss….

  8. jjones Says:

    I still firmly believe that the case will be heard. Not due to Obama’s eligibility, but to Caldera’s. It is very apparent that the NJ SOS did not her job because there us no question the he (Caldera) was not qualified.

  9. jjones Says:

    Crap, the guy name is Calero, not Caldera. sorry, my mistake

  10. anonymous Says:

    he requirements to become president are bifold: (i) citizenship and (ii) natural-born. Thus, Gov. Schwartenegger cannot become President because although he is a citizen, he was born in Germany.

    The Hawaiian certificate posted on-line is a secondary record based upon the initial document, which is typically referred to as the vault certificate setting forth the hospital/doctor and signed by the physician. By statute, Hawaii from 1911 to l972 permitting the obtaining of a birth certificate after the age of one year by submitting an affidavit of the parent(s) or even the individual. This statute was enacted because many individuals in the Hawaiian islands were not born at a hospital and found themselves without a birth certificate. Thus, it is possible that Obama’s mother or grandmother obtained a birth certificate for Obama post-birth by affidavit. If this is true, then some credence has to be granted to the assertions of Obama’s paternal grandmother that he was born in Kenya. Of course, all of this could be put to rest if Obama would just produce the “vault” certificate. However, in spite of numerous lawsuits, he has failed to produce it thereby fueling speculation. Politicians, by nature, are risk-takers: one only look at John edwards (affair and child); jim mcgreevy (homosexual) or elliott spitzer (prostitution) to see how it is not uncommon for candidates to go forward with their campaigns despite facts that, if know, would preclude their election. Of course, it seems somewhat improbable that Obama’s mother traveled all the way to Kenya to give birth. However, it would be best for Obama to put an end to all the lawsuits and produce the “vault” certificate.

    By the way, the statement by the Hawaiian department of health was very carefully couched: they verified that they had documentation, but, obviously did not address the contents or form of documentation. I have not addressed the other claims relating to Obama’s birth status – i.e. British citizenship, adoption, relinquishment of citizenship etc., because, frankly, I am not sufficiently conversant with the arguments (and applicable law). However, the 1911-1972 statute is available on-line at the Department of Health for Hawaii website if you look for it. I think that, at the least, Obama should produce the “vault” certificate.

    The burden of proof is on Obama to produce the vault certificate….. The america people should not be forced to go to court to get it produced. What kind of President will not put this issue to rest? Or is this an Alinksy tactic: push the opposition to lawsuits and then use the tool of ridicule to squash opposition? What is the reason that BO will not, despite numerous lawsuits, show allegiance to the constitution and put this matter to rest?

  11. rosettasister Says:

    anonymous Says:
    December 7, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    ————————-

    Welcome, anonymous!

    You should be able to post at will now.

    Rosetta

  12. amy Says:

    If the US Supreme Court rules against hearing the Donofrio case, then I will truely believe the Antichrist is here, because there is EVIL in high doses present in our United States..

  13. thinkingmom11 Says:

    http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/donofrio-not-involved-with-national-press-club-event-on-dec-8-2008/#comments

    There is a very interesting post that is currently at the end of comments by Zapem. Some interesting points made…

  14. thinkingmom11 Says:

    naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/donofrio-not-involved-with-national-press-club-event-on-dec-8-2008/#comments

    There is a very interesting post that is currently at the end of comments by Zapem. Some interesting points made…

  15. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Rose – you can just delete the post i sent with the link… i forgot to surgically remove the http stuff

  16. thinkingmom11 Says:

    My kitty is back!!! YAY!

  17. amy Says:

    Anonymous.. The fact that Obama ADMITS he was born to a British Kenyan father should be enough without the BC. The admission is an verification of what is on the vaulted version of the BC.. He is NOT a NATURAL BORN as required by the CONSTITUTION for eligibilty for office of the Presidency.. However, if the vaulted version shows he was actually born in Kenya, then he would NOT even be a citizen .

  18. amy Says:

    Somehow or another, Obama SHOULD be REQUIRED to show his vaulted version of his bc, just to prove he is even a citizen at all.

  19. Al Says:

    Well said, Anonymous. However, I hope Mr. Obama isn’t using Alinsky tactics (pushing the oposition) to lawsuits, and then in a blink of an eye producing the goods so to speak in order to shame/ridicule them, because a simple request has been made that only warrants a simple and honest response, calling for a press conference and openly sharing the original birth-certificate in good faith. Will the American people get that reasonable treatment? The answer to date is a big bold, NO! The $64,000 question is WHY?

  20. amy Says:

    If the US Supreme Court should happen to rule that he is NOT a NATURAL BORN as required for the office of presidency (because of the Kenyan father status), then Obama would NOT even have to provide his bc. It wouldnt matter.

  21. amy Says:

    It is my opinion that Obama admitted he was born to a kenyan father, assuming no one would even ask for the long bc, and that he merely assumes that his british jurisdiction expired on his 21 birthday so that wouldnt apply now (according to him)

  22. amy Says:

    Obama is assumimg that he can get away with this charade, and it looks like he may be right.

  23. Melissa Says:

    Check this link out if you have a second. It’s the University of Hawaii Photographs Collection archive.

    web.archive.org/web/20010121110500/www.hawaii.edu/speccoll/arch/univphoto/txtlist.htm

    Search the page for Barack and see what it says. The link below is a screen shot just in case the page gets bleached.

    img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/letstalk/Pics/Barack.jpg

  24. sliderblaze Says:

    reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE4B60AY20081207?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true

    i say we let india have at it!!!!!! i’m pretty sure they are just chompn at the bit

  25. jjones Says:

    Melissa,
    that is from BO sr. not BO jr. Was recorded in 1962

  26. thinkingmom11 Says:

    found this funny at another blog in the blogsphere and as a Skynyrd fan – I had to laugh:

    “Will Lynyrd Skynyrd be performing at the inagural ball?

    “Don’t ask me no questions, and I’ll tell you no lies”? “I Ain’t the One “? “Call Me the Breeze”? ”

    I might add “Down South Jukin'” in honor of his clever moves trying to get out of this…

  27. Al Says:

    Melissa Says:

    December 7, 2008 at 4:27 pm
    Check this link out if you have a second. It’s the University of Hawaii Photographs Collection archive.

    web.archive.org/web/20010121110500/www.hawaii.edu/speccoll/arch/univphoto/txtlist.htm

    Search the page for Barack and see what it says. The link below is a screen shot just in case the page gets bleached.

    img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/letstalk/Pics

    *************************************************************

    Hmm…notations suggesting “from Africa”, huh?! Thanks for sharing.

  28. sliderblaze Says:

    mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/195320.php

    must be a lil lonely in them there caves…lol

  29. rosettasister Says:

    “Do you think the Supreme Court should hear the case challenging President-elect Barack Obama’s right to be president based on his citizenship at birth?”

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/polls/2008/dec/Obama-citizenship/

    Response Percent

    Votes Yes 84% 691

    votes No 13% 114

    votes Undecided 1% 10

    votes Other 0% 4 votes

    819 total votes

    Hat Tip:

    creativeogre

    http://countryfirst.bravehost.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=956

  30. Al Says:

    jjones Says:

    December 7, 2008 at 4:35 pm
    Melissa,
    that is from BO sr. not BO jr. Was recorded in 1962

    *************************************************************

    Okay, JJones, thanks for adding some clarification. Of course, even with the inference towards Senior it adds to the growing acknowledgement that Junior’s father was not an American citizen…therefore…”dual-citizenship”…

  31. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Mom

    Lynyrd Skynyrd would need to play “That Smell”

    lol, because the whole thing with bam bam stinks

  32. Al Says:

    Thanks for sharing those numbers, Rose…wonder if at least 4 or 5 SCOTUS Justices feel the same way as the 84% who voted, YES?

  33. ladyliberty Says:

    Anaymous –

    Not only do Hawaii officials not release any of the information on the BC, they also don’t tell us if the COLB that is posted on BO’s website is the same. The comment released by these officials seems carefully crafted as not to release any unnecessary information, but enough info that BO supporters can spin it the way they like.

  34. Al Says:

    Amy,

    According to Title 8 of the United States outlining “

  35. jjones Says:

    Al,
    No problem.
    that scholarship list has been out for a while now and has been proven to be BO Sr. I immediately reconized it and just wanted it to be clear on the record

  36. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    I think Leo’s case should be heard if for no other reason than Roger Calero showing up on the ballot….. Which is total fraud to the constitution. You can’t make one party show documents without making everyone on the case show documents….Just like jjones said above….

    SO how could the SCOTUS ignore a total fraud, without saying the requirements of President mean nothing in the Constitution..

    just a different angle

  37. ladyliberty Says:

    I found this information a while ago using the waybackmachine website, long before I became interested in the citizenship issue. I had a hard time getting the links to work on the website, so I copy and pasted the information to a word document and saved it. I essentially had to find alternative ways to access the links that were not working. I thought it interesting and thought others would as well.

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  38. sba1872 Says:

    jjjones Says:

    “that scholarship list has been out for a while now and has been proven to be BO Sr. I immediately recognized it and just wanted it to be clear on the record”
    ————–
    Has it ever been stated who gave Obama Jr., then a 9 or 10-year old resident (citizen?) of Indonesia, a scholarship to the elite Hawaiian prep school?

    washingtonindependent.com/1452/elitist-charge-not-new-for-obama

  39. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    everybody hear…. Orly got denied at state level after only two days….. I think she is prepared to file at SCOTUS Tomorrow

  40. ladyliberty Says:

    Rosettasister – can’t get my post to work, please delete one of them when they go through moderation. Thanks.

  41. The Intellectual Redneck Says:

    This is the most thoughtful and coherent comment I have read on this issue. I wish I had written this comment. This writer goes to he heart of the issue and does it in a very unbiased way.

    Really? (#129849)
    by Hank Rand on December 6, 2008 at 9:44 PM
    “What difference does it make to the future of this country whether Obama was born on US soil? Advocates of this destructive campaign will argue that the Constitutional principle regarding the qualifications for President trumps all others. But how viable will our Constitution be if 5 Supreme Court justices should decide to void 64 million ballots?”

    A proponent of the reality that there is an outstanding question that exists relating to Barack Obama’s natural born citizenship (not that I have an answer, but rather simply that no answer has been given), my personal opinion is that this has less to do with the merit of this particular Constitutional law…and more to do with the character and integrity of a man who may have gone to such great lengths to, knowingly, break it. And in that course of action, our entire country (not just those who didn’t vote for him) and our most coveted process of Democracy (our vote), were defrauded.

    If he’s found to be ineligible per the Constitution, proving he knowingly and willfully defrauded our people and process, it won’t be the Justices who will have disenfranchised 64 million voters. It’s Barack Obama. How many times are you prepared to claim “you fell down the stairs” for this man? I was an initial supporter. I started seeing very real and very questionable issues raised about the nature of his past associations, and the laughable explanations he would give…and I was sure it would hurt him in the press and among supporters. But what did I see? The press and most supporters to engrossed in their partisanship to care. In fact, the more reasonable questions came up about him…the harder the press and the 64 million that same press brainwashed, drove to the hoop for him. As I stood back watching this, again, as an initial supporter of his, even making phone calls on his behalf…I realized what I was seeing, was nothing short of WEIRD. Just, plain, weird.

    And I thought this birth certificate issue (check that, “Certificate of Live Birth” issue…as opposed to “Certification of Live Birth”) was cleared up a long time ago. I thought there was no way the DNC would have been capable of such a gross oversight. Then the court cases came up, and nothing was done to quell the question. What finally landed me understanding that something is not right, is when Chiyome Fukino, Director of Health for Hawaii, released the statement about his birth. That statement actually did more harm than good, and it only demonstrated further how moronic far too many public officials and people in the media and governing bodies, think Americans are.

    Sure, America has it’s slew of idiots. And sure, the aisle that questions Barack Obama’s natural born and/or properly maintained citizenship statuses has it’s smattering of fringe wingnuts. But just because one contingent of people happen to be on board, doesn’t nullify the fact that the question is still outstanding. I hear the same 5 refutations over, and over, and over. “He posted his birth certificate on his website”, “Factcheck proved it”, “The state of Hawaii released a statement saying he was born there”, “There was a birth announcement in a Hawaiian newspaper”, “Judges meritoriously threw it out as ‘frivolous'”; and while each of those statements hold an element of truth, they’re also easily debunked. And “truth” is objective. There is no debunking it. We should be able to move past this on to more subjective and productive lines of communication…with all the dissent we’re accustomed to…forging, like competition, improvement. But here we are. And one man can answer this objective question. And sure, not everyone will get on board if he were to release his college records and actual Certificate of Live Birth (as opposed to the factually less credible, more easily attained and more easily forged “Certification” – which bears no corroborating evidence like the hospital or doctor’s name)…but many would get on board. Coming off a platform of transparency, directly in to a promised pursuit for unity…why leave so many of us divided on what is a simple and objectively debunked question? If the Certification is authentic, the it’s more credible parent – the Certificate, exists. But rather than produce it, he has fought those requests so fiercely that he’s allowed the same requests to land in court rooms…where he continues to fight them. Why? So rather than quell the reasonable, objective and easily answered outstanding question…he opts non disclosure. I wrote somewhere else that the production of Certificate of Live Birth is a very small price t pay for unity. And yet, here we are. And Barack Obama, and Barack Obama only, is responsible for that. I am certain of that beyond any reasonable doubt, because Barack Obama, and Barack Obama only, can quell it…with an actual Certificate of Live Birth, and he has watched requests transition to court cases, and still refuses. So as a first order of business, in a promised pursuit for unity, he leaves us divided, on what should be a very simple, very objective, very basic matter. Who among us can applaud that? “I do, Hank. Because you’re all just whackjobs.” That’s all well and good if that’s your opinion. My brother said to me, “Yeah but if we pull him out, we’re going to look corrupt to the rest of the world.” I replied, “I’d rather look corrupt and not be it, than be corrupt and not look it.” So goes my position on being called a whackjob, for maintaining through nothing more than logic and fact, that there is a still outstanding question regarding Barack Obama’s natural born and properly maintained citizenship statuses. I’d rather be called a whackjob and stand by truth, than submit to mistruths and be called sound.

    I didn’t hear any of the 5 standard press talking points in your piece, which leads me to believe the transition I anticipated is occurring. That is, virtually all of supporters (and I don’t know if you were one prior to November 4th or not), will go from, “He didn’t commit fraud. He is a natural born citizen”, to “So what if he committed fraud. So what if he isn’t a natural born citizen.” I’ve challenged others, staunch supporters in fact, as to whether or not they’d concede a gross misstep in character and judgement, and support his being held accountable for that, if he did commit this fraud. They’ve uniformly claimed they would. This article, blog, whatever it is…demonstrates the first piece I’ve actually seen that goes out of it’s way to say, “No. I wouldn’t. Barack Obama can lie, cheat and steal all he wants. And if he gets held accountable for it, it’s the fault of the Justices…because Barack Obama himself, is simply incapable of wrongdoing.”

    Running that red light you sit at, day after day, when no one is looking, is pretty harmless too. But you know it’s wrong. This man, if not a natural born and properly maintained citizen of the United States, will have knowingly and willfully cheated our entire country, and more critical than that – our absolutely, inherently, unquestionably most coveted process of democracy – in what can only be articulated as a relentless pursuit for unapologetic, integrity-free, and division-inducing pursuit for power.Link.

    The Intellectual Redneck

  42. Al Says:

    Amy,

    According to Title 8 of the United States Code outlining “nationality”, aliens, etc…unless the codes have since been re-written, reads:

    “All persons born in Alaska on or after June 2, 1924 are natural-born citizens of the United States. Alaska was declared a US State on January 3, 1959. All persons born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900 are natural-born citizens of the United States. Hawaii was declared a US State on August 21, 1959”

    Does the above mean ALL persons or only ALL PERSONS born of/to at least one or two parents who are already US natural-born citizens? Does Mr. Obama’s mother’s natural-born citizenship status trump Barack Obama, Sr’s, therefore making Mr. Obama, Jr. a natural-born by virtue of her status?

  43. amy Says:

    The rule about the citizenship of the FATHER applies to his citizenship AT THE TIME OF Obamas birth.

  44. Al Says:

    jjones Says:

    December 7, 2008 at 4:49 pm
    Al,
    No problem.
    that scholarship list has been out for a while now and has been proven to be BO Sr. I immediately reconized it and just wanted it to be clear on the record

    *************************************************************

    Okay, thanks, JJones, going to check out some of the links Ladyliberty shared. bbl.

  45. rosettasister Says:

    The Intellectual Redneck Says:
    December 7, 2008 at 4:57 pm

    Welcome IR!

    You should be able to post at will now.

    But if you want to be able to avoid moderation when posting a link, just post something that looks like this:

    rosettasister.wordpress.com

    no http

    no www

    thanks,

    rosetta

  46. rosettasister Says:

    I generally learn a lot from Hugh Hewitt and his guests.

    H3: Mark Steyn, Mary Katharine Ham, Guy Benson, Jon Kyl
    With Hugh Hewitt
    120408
    Hewitt: Hour 3

    After a replay of the Mark Steyn interview, Hugh continues his conversation about Twitter and networking among the youth and how the Republicans need to close the technology gap with the Young Guns, and then talks with Arizona Senator Jon Kyl about the proposed Big 3 auto maker bailout.

    Length: 00:35:11

    Listen here:

    [audio src="http://townhall.edgeboss.net/download/townhall/audio/mp3/5af9c14c-2590-4404-9a21-4a96b5d62da6.mp3" /]

    Transcript:

    “Senate Republican Whip Jon Kyl on the Big 3 bailout prospects”

    http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/talkradio/transcripts/Transcript.aspx?ContentGuid=7505e01e-08c7-4370-895b-32ee95b5319c

  47. Al Says:

    amy Says:

    December 7, 2008 at 4:58 pm
    The rule about the citizenship of the FATHER applies to his citizenship AT THE TIME OF Obamas birth.

    *************************************************************

    Good point, Amy. Now, with that established, Does Ms. Dunham’s status improve Obama, Jr.’s standing as a natural-born?

  48. ladyliberty Says:

    Along with the information posted above, which may not be important I found that Bill Ayers was at Columbia around the same time that BO was there. I guess I did not save the information and I don’t remember in what capacity.

    It was then that my husband offically issued MY tinfoil hat. 🙂

  49. amy Says:

    I am NOT intersted in a STATE Constitution. I am interested in the US Constitution and the framers intent.. It would take an amendment to interpret it any other way.

  50. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    I know there are many falsehoods in the coverage of this issue about his citizenship…. Most think it is because of the BC, which in not correct in most of the suits….. Most think the only case is Burg’s who is questionable. Even if he has good evidence I don’t think his case will ever be heard because of weak court documents.

    But even though it is bias and mis-information the basic principle is getting light…. Bo’s eligibility is in question and he should produce the documents to resolve this issue….The general public is starting to ask questions…. This is something we didn’t have 2 weeks ago….

  51. sdee Says:

    This is worth a serious look:

    Over on Leo’s blog someone posted a link to a July 2000 Congressional hearing allowing basically any citizen to become President (even naturalized immigrants!!!!). Good ole Barney Frank leads the charge. What Frank says should scare the hel out of anyone e.g.

    FRANK “It does not seem to me that there ought to be as a general principle any barriers to treating people who choose to come here and become Americans differently than people who were born here. I am also am a great believer in democracy virtually untrammeled.”

    FRANK “the essential premise of this constitutional provision is that there is some reason to distrust the complete patriotism of people who were born elsewhere, and I have not found that to be the case as a general rule.”

    FRANK “I support this for the same reason that I oppose term limits and other restrictions on people’s ability to choose.”

    So seens to me that there is no doubt reading this, that the distractions and coverup of Bo’s citizenship are consistent with a long running effort undermine the Constitution, this time to force the issue after either McCain or Bo was inaugurated.

    We have voted lunatics into Congress who essentially want to turn the Office of the President, Commander in Chief, and nominator of the Supreme Court Justices, over to a naturalized immigrant. AND – Barney Frank even suggests removing term limits. That enables a foreign dictator for life.

    Could Hugo Chaves have laid it out any better?

    commdocs.house.gov/committees/judiciary/hju67306.000/hju67306_0.htm#FN2

  52. amy Says:

    No, Al.. Obamas father was STILL a citizen of Kenya, NOT an American citizen as required.. McCain was NOT natural born either, according to the American Foreign manuel.. McCain was a citizen, just NOT a natural born citizen..

  53. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    lady

    but is is a pretty tin foil hat …..be proud of it 🙂

  54. Al Says:

    Good post, Intellectual R’, Thanks for sharing…hmmm?

  55. amy Says:

    All I have to say about Barney Frank is I am glad he isnt president. LOL

  56. Al Says:

    amy Says:

    December 7, 2008 at 5:13 pm
    No, Al.. Obamas father was STILL a citizen of Kenya, NOT an American citizen as required.. McCain was NOT natural born either, according to the American Foreign manuel.. McCain was a citizen, just NOT a natural born citizen..

    *************************************************************

    Okay, Amy. Thank you.

  57. ladyliberty Says:

    One more thing – The lawfirm website only listed BO as some sort of jr. lawyer or researcher. He was alway assisting someone else. I don’t know much about lawfirms, but it shocked me that BO had never even risen to a senior position, but has been able to get as far as he has.

    I don’t give BO credit for doing all that he has been able to do. It is clear to me that he has been groomed and “taken care of” by others who want some sort of power. I don’t even think he is that smart. This COLB/BC/duel citizenship thing just proves it. A very large network of people had to be responsible for sealing and fighting this.

  58. Al Says:

    Lol at Amy’s honest assessment of Massachusetts Congressman Barney Frank.

  59. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    ladylib

    well this earns me my tin foil hat if I didn’t already have one.

    My opinoin is the Dems have had this planned for quite some time, they just needed the right mouth piece, empty suit to put their agenda’s in place… BO is a puppet and a show piece

  60. amy Says:

    Obama will NEVER release his BC unless ordered by the Court.

  61. amy Says:

    Cindy, yes, you are right. Obama is a puppet, undoubtedly of George Soros.

  62. ladyliberty Says:

    I wear it proudly – JAC!

  63. sliderblaze Says:

    i think we should issue obama supporters plastic hoods with the instructions
    Place on head, then, breath as often as possible

  64. amy Says:

    I was a democrat who voted for McCain , because I did NOT realise he wasnt natural born either.. I reregistered Republican because I didn’t like what happened in the democratic convention.. Now I have NO idea what I am.. A lost soul, I guess.

  65. ladyliberty Says:

    Let’s hope BO and Frank don’t have any “private meetings” in the oval office!

  66. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    amy

    and I would bet the Dems and the super powers behind government know all of Bo’s secrets…..they have full control if he is president…

    People wonder why McCain couldn’t say anything,…… he77, this looks like a plot from a bad spy novel….. he wouldn’t of stood a chance…… he kept talking about bam bam’s associates hoping someone would connect the dots..

  67. sdee Says:

    Just because I am paranoid does not mean they aren’t really out to get me. 😉

  68. amy Says:

    There are many lawsuits against Sec Of States.. Hopefully, one of them will be heard by a judge willing to oreder obama to provide his long BC.. All it takes is just one State Court Judge to do that, just ONE.

  69. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    amy

    I was raised to believe Democrate… I switched years ago when the Dem’s became a party for themselves instead of for those they represent

  70. sdee Says:

    Amy – you are enlightened!

  71. ladyliberty Says:

    Amy – I am a registered independent, but most like the Libertarian Party. I see voting Libertarian as a wasted vote. So – I guess I am one of those “moderate Republicans.” I have voted Democrat in the past, but have always been disappointed. Jennifer Granholm, my Governor, has been horrible. Bonior was a huge disappoint when he went to Iraq and defended Sadam.

    I plan on becomming a registered Republican, but overall I am lost with you.

  72. amy Says:

    I am disappointed that the Rhino Republicans are NOT speaking up about this.. They are weak or something.. Everywhere I go, it is the centist democrats and independents who are questioning the bc, yet, its the republicans who are being called sore losers. This I just dont understand..Berg is a democrat and donofrio an independent.. Keyes a dem of course.

  73. ladyliberty Says:

    I thought Keyes was a Republican.

  74. sba1872 Says:

    Rose,

    Based upon this thread alone, I believe it must be declared to be unassailable truth that, in the words of that great American, Foxtrot, ROSETTA GANG ROCKS!!

    I’m repeating my question from above because I can’t find the answer anywhere, but it must have been declared at some time. According to the mensnewsdaily timeline at:

    mensnewsdaily.com/2008/10/26/the-obama-timeline-1961-2008/

    Obama Jr., entered Punahou, described as an elite prep school, on a scholarship in 1971. At the time he was living in Indonesia with his mother. He may very well have been a citizen of Indonesia. Who sponsored his scholarship?

  75. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    it “used” to be clear cut

    Dems were for the working people
    Reps were for the elite
    libs were for their own causes, and thinking out of the box

    now you find all 3 mixed together to the extreme in all parties

  76. amy Says:

    liberty.. I campaigned hard for hillary because I researched Obama long before he even announced his bid and long before his radical friends were divulged in the news… I never campaigned before and was NEVER interested in politics.. There are many of hillarys delegates who feel just like I do about Obama.. I fear this man.. I fear what is happening to this country.

  77. sdee Says:

    I ran Barney’s statement through the Liberal Extremist translation dictionary…

    “I am also am a great believer in democracy virtually untrammeled.”

    translates in English to:

    “We don’t need no stinkin’ Constitution”

  78. amy Says:

    oops, my bad! Keyes not dem.

  79. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    amy

    because it give credence to the crackpot, sore loser theory ..that this is only being done as revenge….and to get McCain put in office..

    not true,….. but that is how they want people to see it.

  80. amy Says:

    Keyes ran on the GE ballot as Independent.

  81. ladyliberty Says:

    One of my good friends, use to work for Bonior and was excited for Hillary. She was angry about how Hillary was treated, hated BO and when Michelle Obama came to our school for a small campaign apprearance, she said she would not walk across the room “to shake that woman’s hand.” She hated BO! The next thing I know she is out campaigning for him!!! I just did not get it!

  82. amy Says:

    If we dont have the US Supreme Court Justices to protect our Constitution, then who do we have?

  83. amy Says:

    liberty, she drank the juice, just like rev jim jones followers did.

  84. ladyliberty Says:

    I think Keyes ran as a Republican in the 04 primary

  85. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    ladylib

    I have a friend who is a retired priest,… he not only voted for him he campaigned for BO…… over the abortion issue alone that shocked me.

  86. amy Says:

    liberty, yes, he was a republican when he ran against obama for senator from Ill.

  87. ladyliberty Says:

    She accuses me of drinking the “kool-aid.” Now I just take those attacks as a badge of honor. If that’s all they have to attack me – then who is crazy!!! My long straw and my tin-foil hat look pretty good compared to their craziness!!

    I am far more impressed by an independent mind that can critically assess a candidate rather than vote for them based on party lines.

  88. ladyliberty Says:

    A pastor! I will never understand it!

    Then there are those that loved BO, but knew nothing about him. They are the ones that think my questioning him is crazy!!

  89. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    ladylib

    one good way to get them to stop talking….. ask them to name specifically everything Bo has ever acomplished… they can’t

  90. amy Says:

    cindy, I just dont understand what is happening even in the churches today.. Obamas views on abortion are horrific.. As a nurse, I can tell you that partial birth abortion is MURDER and allowing a baby born alive to die without care is absolutely a mortal sin. As a nurse, there is NO way I would stand by without trying to help that baby and NO way would I ever take part in a partial birth abortion of a viable baby.. Of course, that is OT so enough said!

  91. amy Says:

    liberty, you didnt drink the juice. Your friend did.

  92. amy Says:

    ladyliberty.. Me too.. I vote for the PERSON, not the PARTY, because for me, its COUNTRY first.

  93. ladyliberty Says:

    JAC – that is why some of them like him!! He does not have any baggage. He is not jaded by the Vietnam War era. He is new and different than the rest of them. Seriously ….. and these are educated people who are teachers! I know – not surprising. Right after I wrote that I knew it said it all. I am often ashamed by those in my profession.

  94. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    amy, lady lib

    I agree….. Bo also want it to were a Doctor or Hospital that refuses to preform an abortion will be fined..

    I have my own personal feelings about abortion…. I will talk about them to show why I have those feelings……

    I lost 3 as babies……. one at 27 weeks,….. one a 24 weeks and one at 20 weeks……… each born alive,…. that passed soon after
    I had to fight to get a BC for the one at 20 weeks even though she was born alive

  95. ladyliberty Says:

    I agree amy! Party seems meaningless these days.

  96. amy Says:

    I have never voted straight party before this GE and this year I voted straight democrat because I was angry at the DNC and also was worried about a dem controlled Congress and Pres..

  97. amy Says:

    Oh, Cindy, I am so sorry.

  98. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    lol…. forgive the typo disease in above post

  99. amy Says:

    I had a preemie born at 28 weeks.. (I had the mumps).. The docs had to fight hard to save him.. They were successful

  100. ladyliberty Says:

    JAC – I am so sorry!!! I miscarried at 8 weeks, but not that far along and that was hard enough.

  101. sdee Says:

    That 2000 hearing I posted is actually an interesting read – I am more disgusted with Frank the more I read – he even plays the race card. One expert, Balint Vazsonyi (apparently a naturalized citizen) from the Center for American Founding, is defending how crucial the Natural Born stance of the Constitution is…………..

    VAZSONYI ” Perhaps I will be forgiven if I start with a musical analogy, since I am a musician by profession. The Constitution of the United States, indeed the entire founding of the United States of America, is one of those solitary miracles of human history, not unlike the operas of Mozart or the symphonies of Beethoven. Thousands of volumes have been written trying to understand how such a thing can happen. Nobody has even come close. There is no way to explain how a group of men can sit down and do something no human beings had ever done before them, and certainly none have since.”

    Barney Frank then goes on the attack to ridicule and disparage Vasonyi for the audacity to think that Americans and our Constitution are special or superior – unbelievable! And this guy was reelected!?!?

  102. amy Says:

    No hospitals here in Ohio do abortions (at least none that I know of). They are done here in clinics only.

  103. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    amy

    thank you,…… but only showing that they are living beings… I know of a child who is now 11 years old…… she beat the odds and survived at 19 weeks gestation…. she has her problems… but she is a beautiful girl

    no law should allow abortions past even rare survival..

  104. amy Says:

    There is a new book out. (I dont know the author).. It is called, “The Marketting Of Evil”.. I have to get that book. They say it realy is an awakening.

  105. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    amy

    that is great… I love when I hear about a premmie beating the odds

  106. ladyliberty Says:

    Amy – is BO on the cover! LOL

  107. amy Says:

    Children are precious.. I so admire Sarah Palin for her decision to give birth to her last baby.. She made a choice that took a lot of courage, more than I have.

  108. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    amy

    you hear that planned parenthood is giving out gift certificates here in Indiana for abortions?

  109. amy Says:

    Ladyliberty, I dont think so (LOL) .. I think the book MIGHT have been written before his candidacy. I am NOT sure.

  110. amy Says:

    Cindy, Yes, I heard that. How awful! I think it is because there have been less abortions since the coming of the morning after pill. They are competing with a PILL. LOl

  111. ladyliberty Says:

    JAC – that is just crazy! I am all for birth control, but please – gift certificates for abortion!

  112. amy Says:

    Lady, maybe it has Barney Franks picture on it.

  113. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    well that is one of the reasons I dislike BO…. but not why he is not qualified for President….

  114. amy Says:

    Yup, its the pill causing it!

  115. amy Says:

    I bet those abortion clinic docs are having a fit because of what the morning after pill has done to their business.

  116. ladyliberty Says:

    Yikes!!! Barney’s picture – yuck! Maybe they can reissue it with BO on the cover!! Or maybe he can write a new intro – detailing his personal experience. LOL

  117. amy Says:

    The next thing that could happen is that there will be euthanesia clinics to get rid of senile senior citizens.. Oh, What a frightening thought!

  118. ladyliberty Says:

    Once upon a time…..it was seen that a decreased abortion rate was good for the country. Is that not the goal of planned parenthood? Now its all about their business ….. and probably their money from the feds if they get any.

  119. amy Says:

    lol lady

  120. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    I came across a poster… NOT PC but I still couldn’t help but laugh

    it was Osama and Obama

    said the only difference between the two is a little BS

  121. ladyliberty Says:

    Well – I need to get some work done! My tree is only half decorated and my house is a mess. Thanks for chatting ladies! See you later!

  122. amy Says:

    You know I dont have a problem with prochoice and I most certainly am prolife at the same time.. There just must be limits and I hope the ban on partial birth is not overturned.. It needs to be there.. The morning after pill could almost wipe out all abortions, if it were made readily available.

  123. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    ladylib

    BO has made promises to planned parenthood. and is planning on signing the Freedom of Choice act once he gets into office..
    I understand that it will take rights away from states on the issue…. and also allowed PPH to travel to different countries and promote abortions

  124. amy Says:

    bye lady.

  125. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    bye ladylib

  126. amy Says:

    cindy, Rev manning says Osama is back and it is obama.. He said Bush took Osama down and he needs to take obama down too.. Manning is sooo funny at times.

  127. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    yes,…. better Birth control,…..even the day after pill……. they should be all about preventing unwanted pregnancy not just fixing the problem afterwards

  128. ladyliberty Says:

    Before I go Amy – I am with you. There has to be a reasonable line drawn. I would think it would be a lot easier for those that are pro-choice to give a lot more, since the pro-life group is actually based on a moral religious code. I am pro-choice to an extent. After the first trimester – I think is should be banned. Actually – I would like the states to make the decision.

    Ok – TTFN!

  129. amy Says:

    ok lady.. have fun.

  130. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    lol yeah Rev Manning is a trip

    not saying I disagree with him on his issues about bam bam… but he has a colorful way of expressing his opinion

  131. amy Says:

    Yes, he sure gets riled up.. Its a wonder he doesnt have a stroke or a heart attack.. I feel that Manning is a very decent man. And a true patriot.

  132. amy Says:

    Cindy, Its been fun chatting with you.. I have to do a little work here, so that I can leave a clean house when I go back to work tomorrow.. I will be back later after I get some work done…

  133. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    I like when he calls him tarzan…. 2 funny… he can get by with it….. and I know he is meaning that he (BO) comes from the african jungle……but let a non black say it……… then it is sooooooooo wrong

  134. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Ok amy,….. I have the hubby home today.so I need to have him get all the christmas stuff out of the shed……
    will ttyl

  135. amy Says:

    byeeee

  136. Stacy Says:

    Does anyone here care about the API tape anymore? I am thinking they will not release it before the electoral college vote, if ever, and it will have zero impact after that.

    What do you all think?

  137. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    want do you think? found this post
    always did think that the military would have a super strong case.
    __________________________

    The several lawsuits brought thus far to establish BO’s Constitutional eligibility for POTUS and to restrain the Electoral College from voting in the meantime, argue different causes of action, by Plaintiffs not similarly situated. In other words, each case is different. However, no one has brought this case.

    Plaintiff(s) (member of armed forces or National Guard about to be deployed into a war zone or, members of the soldier’s family) files a lawsuit alleging a civil rights violation as the cause of action, that violation being denial of the right to life and liberty without due process; on account of the fact, assuming BO is not eligible to be President, any law he issues is illegal; any order carried out is unlawful; and any killing based on those orders can be construed as murder under the Uniform Military Code of Justice, subjecting the soldier to imprisonment or execution. And, since the violation has not yet occurred but most certainly will if he is sworn in, the suit has to ask the court to Declare whether he is eligible, an action allowed under the federal Declarative Judgment Act; and, until that decision issues, to order the EC to refrain from voting on 12.15 or, if after 12.15, to order the House not to certify the EC vote.

  138. sliderblaze Says:

    lol, api, i hear now dude is invited to the inaguration, are you kidding me, what a joke….

  139. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Stacy

    I’m sorry, but API though plausible at the beginning, went to unbelievable then to out and out bizare……
    I for one hoped there was something to his claim of a tape and a document; now there isn’t even a twinkle of belief.

    Everyone here has moved on to issues we actually have documentation of.

  140. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    slider
    🙂 be nice ….. she has a right to belief whatever she chooses to. Let’s remember how it felt when MS attacked us over at API.

    I just hope she keeps an open mind

  141. sliderblaze Says:

    “dear mir korir, thanks for not releasing the tapes before the election, please come to my inagrtion as a thank you for such dubiousness”

    b obama

  142. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    slider

    lol,….. I agreed the whole API thing is cracked….

    But we are also being called crackpots, wingnuts and loonies for believing bam bam is not a natural citizen…… I just try to put the shoe on the other foot

  143. Troy Says:

    Al Says:

    December 7, 2008 at 4:57 pm
    Amy,

    According to Title 8 of the United States Code outlining “nationality”, aliens, etc…unless the codes have since been re-written, reads:

    “All persons born in Alaska on or after June 2, 1924 are natural-born citizens of the United States. Alaska was declared a US State on January 3, 1959. All persons born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900 are natural-born citizens of the United States. Hawaii was declared a US State on August 21, 1959″

    Does the above mean ALL persons or only ALL PERSONS born of/to at least one or two parents who are already US natural-born citizens? Does Mr. Obama’s mother’s natural-born citizenship status trump Barack Obama, Sr’s, therefore making Mr. Obama, Jr. a natural-born by virtue
    ————————————————————-
    Al,
    Can you post a link to this….I don’t think this is correct….I do no not think that they use the phrase “natural born citizen”…I would like to see this for myself.

  144. Stacy Says:

    Sorry, I just hadn’t been around for several days, so I wasn’t sure what the thought was on the API tape here. I really don’t hold out hope, either. I think everyone was hoodwinked.

  145. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Troy
    I don’t think Al believes half of what he posts,…… I think he just likes to push buttons to get us to keep looking and not get fixated on just one issue

  146. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Stacy

    not a problem,….. most of us are transplants from API…. so we have been in your shoes……… btw welcome

  147. Troy Says:

    JAC,
    Al is dead wrong…They did not say “natural born citizen”

  148. Troy Says:

    Stacy.
    Don’t waste one second of your time on API…If they have something and publish it, it will be all over the internet within 24 hrs….They just don’t have it.

  149. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    <– hiding from the hubby,….. not happy about using the dolly and bringing in 6 loads of Christmas decorations…. especially when he stepped in dog poo out by the shed and slid and fell on his fanny…… lol…… after I knew he was OK I couldn’t stop laughing…… so not on his favorite list right now lol

  150. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Troy
    I never check myself….. I believe you are probably right…..
    I just know AL seems to like to play games and get us looking

  151. sliderblaze Says:

    JAC i’m just saying,……

  152. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Slider ……. I know.
    Troy … trying to find that myself right now,. cause I do think you are right

  153. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    well I got company coming…… and a sh!it load of boxes in my family room……. so got to get and tidy up 🙂

  154. Al Says:

    Troy Says:

    December 7, 2008 at 8:41 pm
    Al Says:

    December 7, 2008 at 4:57 pm
    Amy,

    According to Title 8 of the United States Code outlining “nationality”, aliens, etc…unless the codes have since been re-written, reads:

    “All persons born in Alaska on or after June 2, 1924 are natural-born citizens of the United States. Alaska was declared a US State on January 3, 1959. All persons born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900 are natural-born citizens of the United States. Hawaii was declared a US State on August 21, 1959″

    Does the above mean ALL persons or only ALL PERSONS born of/to at least one or two parents who are already US natural-born citizens? Does Mr. Obama’s mother’s natural-born citizenship status trump Barack Obama, Sr’s, therefore making Mr. Obama, Jr. a natural-born by virtue
    ————————————————————-
    Al,
    Can you post a link to this….I don’t think this is correct….I do no not think that they use the phrase “natural born citizen”…I would like to see this for myself.
    ************************************************************

    Hey Troy,

    Just stepped back in to Rose’s a few minutes ago, and in my next post will share the link I quoted from above. Meanwhile, don’t know what weight the following statement may bear on this ongoing legal wrangling with Mr. Obama and his personal citizenship status, but found it while reading the Title 8, United States Code, Section 1431, which covers children born OUTSIDE the US:

    a) A child born outside of the United States automatically becomes a citizen of the United States when all of the following conditions have been fulfilled: (1) At least one parent of the child is a citizen of the United States, whether by birth or naturalization.

    (2) The child is under the age of eighteen years.

    (3) The child is residing in the United States in the legal and physical custody of the citizen parent pursuant to a lawful admission for permanent residence.

    (b) Subsection (a) of this section shall apply to a child adopted by a United States citizen parent if the child satisfies the requirements applicable to adopted children under section 1101(b)(1) of this title.

    So, Does the above law entitle Mr. Obama’s status even if born in Kenya, considering that Ms. Dunham was already an American citizen? More questions…Nevertheless, Troy, I’m off to retrieve the direct link where I read earlier about the status of persons born in Alaska and/or Hawaii. bbl with a link. Appreciate your patience.

  155. Al Says:

    Here’s that follow-up info too, Troy. When you get a chance read the following link by adding, the http–omitted in respect of Rose’s wishes…

    ****//www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08-00001401—-000-.html

  156. indy500 Says:

    Colts 35

    Bengals 3

    Wildcard!!!

  157. Ted Says:

    The choice facing the Supreme Court boils down to civil unrest to protect the Constitution or civil war to proceed to ‘inaugurate’ a non-”natural born citizen”.

  158. indy500 Says:

    Ted Says:
    December 7, 2008 at 10:13 pm
    _______________________________
    I’ve been busy with stuff this weekend so haven’t been able to keep up. Is it possible the SC will deny Leo’s case and wait for one of the cases to force Obama to show the BC?

  159. Troy Says:

    Ok Al,
    Just as I thought, it says “citizen” and never says “natural born citizen”….There are is whole range of classes of citizens.

  160. whatafoolbelieves1 Says:

    If Barack Obama had any sense of pride, he would release the vault version of his birth certificate. I think it became complicated when he attended a US college as a foreign student. We will never see those records either.

  161. Troy Says:

    Obama is a ghost!!!

  162. amy Says:

    Al, where in that quote does it say “natural born”? It says citizen.

  163. hockeyfan530 Says:

    troy,

    According to Title 8 of the United States Code outlining “nationality”, aliens, etc…unless the codes have since been re-written, reads:

    “All persons born in Alaska on or after June 2, 1924 are natural-born citizens of the United States. Alaska was declared a US State on January 3, 1959. All persons born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900 are natural-born citizens of the United States. Hawaii was declared a US State on August 21, 1959″

    Have you ever considered the possibility that agent bambam changed the content of this? In other words, Al was able to find the original above and agent bambam changed this for national security reasons. I don’t know…just sayin

  164. amy Says:

    Troy, yes, a ghost of Osama.

  165. amy Says:

    hockeyfan, but there is NO reference there to a birth of a father from a foreign country..

  166. Troy Says:

    Fan,
    send me a link to that

  167. Troy Says:

    post a link

  168. hockeyfan530 Says:

    amy, I was just having some. Al contends that the reason Obama doesn’t show his bc is that bambam was actually a cia/fbi agent and it is for security reasons that he can’t release his information. LOL

  169. hockeyfan530 Says:

    that is to say “I was just having some fun”

  170. amy Says:

    The laws set forth by the Constitution and the amendments can not be changed. If there is to be a clarification to interpret any of these laws, it cannot be done by a resolution. It must be done by a amendment.

  171. amy Says:

    Youve got to be kidding!.. Obama a member of the FBI or Secret Service.. LOLOLOLOLOLOL

  172. hockeyfan530 Says:

    troy is was just joking about al’s contention that bambam is a cia/fbi agent.

  173. amy Says:

    I sincerely hope at least one of these lawsuits gets this cleared up.

  174. Troy Says:

    Fan,
    I know…I was talking about a link to Section 8 regarding citizenship

  175. amy Says:

    brb

  176. hockeyfan530 Says:

    Yeah, Al often says that’s the reason why Obama won’t show his info. LOL, it’s pretty funny isn’t it?

  177. amy Says:

    I’m back… I wonder what will be on plainsradio tonight.. Anyone here know?

  178. amy Says:

    hockeyfan.. sounds like he overdosed on that juice.

  179. Robert Says:

    THE CONSTITUTION IS THE LAW. Even if Chester Arthur was a British Subject, so was George Washington, but those situations are long gone, solved! If there has been intentional, criminal, fraud to elect a president resently the election and the candidate are VOID. Why is something this simple even an issue, if something was not very wrong here? The last thing America needs is more divisional politics now, but it appears some want to create as many problems as possible to make their political points? I return to the Constitution, if there is no Constitution there is no government or laws or even the United States of America. This Republic created by the Constitution, was not founded to just go along making up government on the wims of any group that pops up. The Surpreme Court looks like it plans to avoid protecting the Constitution or citizens as of tonight—I can’t believe this is not their legal, sworn duty to protect the law and NOT give into fraud! The American citizen has THE RIGHT to see the law is followed, especially in elections. At this point the extent of anxiety and fear in the nation need strong legal answers not lingering questions and doubts. We should all be asking, wether you like Mr.Obama or not, how in hell did we ever get this far away from a simple law being enforced? We all know if we even parked the wrong way we can be fined or even end up in jail. Here we have a person about to become our president and citizens do not even know if he is a legal candidate? America! we have to do better than this. Citizens are not asking for 500 years of his complete family history, we are just asking where he was born and simple questions about his parents? Now is this wrong in any way, to ask of an honest person?

  180. hockeyfan530 Says:

    here’s another silly article about the bc…This one compares the bambam “rumours” to Palin’s son Trig being the child of Palin’s daughter. There’s an email address for the author of the article.

    orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/chi-talk-mcmahon-rumorsdec06,0,5537663.story

  181. Troy Says:

    A person born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900, is a citizen of the United States at birth. A person who was a citizen of the Republic of Hawaii on August 12, 1898, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900.

    http//
    vlex.com/vid/19271791

  182. Troy Says:

    Has absolutely nothing to do with natural born requirements

    http//
    vlex.com/vid/19271791

  183. hockeyfan530 Says:

    Al, is pretty funny sometimes

  184. Troy Says:

    If you say so…I haven’t noticed

  185. j.b. Says:

    Al,
    you asked about this earlier and as far as I can tell you were not answered…….Obama’s mama could NOT pass on citizenship to him when he was born, because SHE was only 18 when she had him and (at the time, in 1961) she needed to be at least 19 and have lived in the U.S for 5 years after she turned 14 to do so. That has since changed, but NOT soon enough for OPoser.

    OBAMA IS NOT QUALIFIED TO BE POTUS!

    All he has to do is show his real BC, (vault copy) to prove otherwise. But he won’t BECAUSE, HE CAN’T.

    I am growing more and more angry at Obama and his enablers the more time he steals from ALL OF US regarding this issue!

    DAMMIT.

  186. j.b. Says:

    OBAMA IS NOT QUALIFIED TO BE POTUS!

    *for a plethora of reasons and that is just wrong*

    Right?

  187. sba1872 Says:

    Anybody know if the Punahou Academy records are on the “sealed” list, too? I asked twice way upthread, but my timing’s always bad, about that scholarship BO received. I was wondering who sponsored it, what the requirements are. Do we assume that it was available to him because of lack of family funds? Doesn’t make sense to me. Anybody know? Anybody here?

  188. Troy Says:

    Someone has been pulling strings and clearing paths for Oblowme for his entire life.

  189. j.b. Says:

    I grabbed this from Obambi. Hey sba, after looking this list over (again) all I can say is, Good Luck with your search!

    Oh and a big sarcastic Thank YOU to NBCMSNBCCBSABCCNNAP et al
    for NOT doing your job and your continued IGNORANCE. F*CKERS!

    Go 48 years without releasing any documents and you too can be President!

    Obama has lived for 48 years without leaving any footprints — none!

    There is no Obama documentation — no records — no paper trail — None.

    Original, vault copy birth certificate — Not released

    Certificate of Live Birth — Released — Counterfeit

    Obama/Dunham marriage license — Not released

    Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released

    Soetoro adoption records — Not released

    Fransiskus Assisi School School application — Released

    Punahou School records — Not released

    Selective Service Registration — Released — Counterfeit

    Occidental College records — Not released

    Passport (Pakistan) — Not released

    Columbia College records — Not released

    Columbia thesis — Not released

    Harvard College records — Not released

    Harvard Law Review articles — None (maybe 1, unsigned?)

    Baptism certificate — None

    Medical records — Not released

    Illinois State Senate records — None

    Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost

    Law practice client list — Not released

    University of Chicago scholarly articles — None

  190. j.b. Says:

    Punahou School records — Not released

    Yep, sealed, of course.

  191. hockeyfan530 Says:

    the worst part of all of this is those few he has released are forged.

    No sir, nothing to see hear folks. Keep it moving. 100% legitimate partriot here. Is there any way to publish the forgery of the bc and the ssr so that NO ONE can ignore it or spin it? That’s what needs to happen

  192. amy Says:

    Yes, but we have at least seen a copy of his Indonesia School registration listing him a citizen of Indonesia with Islam religion.

  193. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Troy

    I always thought when he did that traveling back in 81…. seems like right afterwards things changed….

  194. j.b. Says:

    Yes, but we have at least seen a copy of his Indonesia School registration listing him a citizen of Indonesia with Islam religion.

    True, but what good has it done? None. Sadly.

  195. amy Says:

    All it would take would befor just ONE judge in the lower court to order him to show his vaulted BC, JUST ONE JUDGE.

  196. sba1872 Says:

    J.B.

    ((sigh)) I know you’re right.

    thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/26/hawaii-senator-apologizes-to-obama/

    It’s so annoying. Senator Inouye apologized for his remark about Obama’s having attended such a “ritzy” prep school after Obama said “Shame on Danny for trying to pull that stunt. I went to Punahou on a scholarship. I was raised by a single mom and my grandmother.”

    So Obama is implying that it was an economic scholarship. He entered in 1971. He was 10 years old at that time (and maybe an Indonesian citizen). That one picture we have when BO was 10, at the airport, of Obama Sr. and Jr. together, may be reflective of the fact that Jr., needed papers filled out by Sr., in order to be eligible (there’s that word again) for a Punahou scholarship. I can’t find anywhere online where it says what kind of scholarship sponsored Jr.’s entering Punahou, “an elite prep school” in 1971. But I’d love to see the scholarship application. For all we know, it was a special scholarship for Hawaiian-Born British/Kenyan Indonesian Citizens Born in 1961 who were abandoned by their biological fathers by the age of 2. And whaddya know, BO would have qualified for that scholarship!

    This may mean absolutely nothing. Just a question in my own mind about the general timeline involved in BO’s “exotic” background. Thanks for the “good luck” wishes as I fully expect this will remain an unanswered question.

  197. amy Says:

    Nothing else has worked. Its almost like he never realy existed.. Maybe he is some force of evil, like an antichrist.

  198. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    His past started getting scrubbed and polished before he ran for Senator.

    the only thing I am surprised about his how one of his thugs didn’t get into his file and replace the BC with a forged one years ago…

  199. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    I read a very good writing on someone blog today…. this person seems to know what they are talking about . . it a long read but worth the time

    jbjd.wordpress.com/

    just the http

  200. Troy Says:

    Obamalamadingdong’s people rewarded Indo.gov. with a butt load of cash for sealing all his records…This was done after his grade school records were leaked….Kenya also got rewarded for sealing documents…Nah, Barry has nothing that he’s hiding.
    Why would Kenyan and Indonesian records need to be sealed?

    Hey, he was born in Hawaii….Oh wow!!!…Hawaii docs. sealed also?….This isn’t rocket science people.

  201. sba1872 Says:

    Troy,

    But he specifically said he attended Punahou on a scholarship, hasn’t anyone asked [i]what[/i] scholarship? Doesn’t a scholarship have to be sponsored by some person or organization?

  202. amy Says:

    Maybe he is a man that never was a man.. Maybe hes had a sex change. lol

  203. amy Says:

    What I dont understand is why his followers dont even care they know nothing about him.

  204. j.b. Says:

    Nothing else has worked. Its almost like he never realy existed.. Maybe he is some force of evil, like an antichrist.
    **************************************************

    In my mind? He is the anti-Christ. Absolutely.
    Oh and force of Evil? Yes, Squared.

    God help us all………Oh, and a big Thank you , Rosettasister for this place where I can curse, say God and read a post about partial-birth abortion all in a day and not be cyber- clobbered for it!

    Cyber clobbered. You like that? I just made it up.

  205. amy Says:

    j.b. yes yes yes, Isnt rosettas blog the best on the net?

  206. sba1872 Says:

    j.b. Says:

    “Cyber clobbered. You like that? I just made it up.”

    ——————–
    Yes, very much! May I use it in the future as a compound word: “cyberclobbered”? Yields a better visual of unrelenting attack than just “flamed”.

  207. j.b. Says:

    Why would Kenyan and Indonesian records need to be sealed?
    ***********************************

    I assume your post was rhetorical, but I can’t help myself.

    WHY DOES OBAMA (even) HAVE KENYAN RECORDS ?

  208. Foxtrot Says:

    ladyliberty Says:

    December 7, 2008 at 5:16 pm
    One more thing – The lawfirm website only listed BO as some sort of jr. lawyer or researcher. He was alway assisting someone else. I don’t know much about lawfirms, but it shocked me that BO had never even risen to a senior position, but has been able to get as far as he has.

    I don’t give BO credit for doing all that he has been able to do. It is clear to me that he has been groomed and “taken care of” by others who want some sort of power. I don’t even think he is that smart. This COLB/BC/duel citizenship thing just proves it. A very large network of people had to be responsible for sealing and fighting this.

    _____________________________________

    Hello Rosetta Gang! You know you ROCK, right? Hehe.

    Lady, Obama is very smart and cunning. Smart enought to pull off perhaps the biggest fraud in American History and still have his defenders! Also, you don’t graduate from Harvard Magna Cum Laude without having some smarts. That being said . . . I can’t stand the guy! UGHHHHHH!

    sba – thanks for the hat tip in your earlier post ! LOL!

  209. Troy Says:

    I assume your post was rhetorical, but I can’t help myself.

    WHY DOES OBAMA (even) HAVE KENYAN RECORDS ?
    ———————————————————–
    Bingo!!!…..Ding!!!….Ding!!!…Ding!!!

  210. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    looking around to see if Slider is looking because he ALWAYS peeks….lol

    running through the room nakid…………

  211. Troy Says:

    Also, you don’t graduate from Harvard Magna Cum Laude without having some smarts.
    ————————————————————
    Unless it was handed to you without earning it and is just as fake as every else seems to be….I tend to lean towards this theory….I don’t think his very bright…I think he has some skillful criminal backers.

  212. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    slipping on the pj’s fresh from the dryer….. hmmmmm cozy.. fuzzy slippers…… hot coco…..perfect

  213. j.b. Says:

    What I dont understand is why his followers dont even care they know nothing about him.
    *********************************************
    They’re just going with what the media told them.
    And nothing is all that the media told them.

    Seriously, most of my fam damily voted for Obeyme and I know that they did not spend half the amount of time reading up on him as I did. My sisters? They are both in the education field and are usually exhausted……and we all know what most teachers and social workers poitical leanings are. They get most of their info from each other! Kinda incestuous if you ask me. yuck.

    I am hosting Christmas this year with my sibs, etc. I am going to have to put a sign at my front door that goes something like……………..Don’t even think about it.

    *cyberclobbered, have at it.*

  214. Foxtrot Says:

    Ted Says:

    December 7, 2008 at 10:13 pm
    The choice facing the Supreme Court boils down to civil unrest to protect the Constitution or civil war to proceed to ‘inaugurate’ a non-”natural born citizen”.

    ___________________

    Hi Ted – I am sorry. I give ALL Americans a bit more credit than to think there would be rioting in the streets. I truly believe people would be shocked and angry, but I think, overall, it would remain civil. There are always those nut jobs who don’t need any excuse to go “postal” on people, but I truly don’t feel there would be civil war.

  215. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    yes……. 1000% agree Rosetta’s place rocks.. freedom to be who we are and say what we think without being cyber clobbered

  216. Foxtrot Says:

    Troy said: Unless it was handed to you without earning it and is just as fake as every else seems to be….I tend to lean towards this theory….I don’t think his very bright…I think he has some skillful criminal backers.
    __________________

    Hi Troy! According to my sister, who is an attorney, if Harvard openly knew that Obama was stating he was a graduate of their school, and he was NOT in fact one, then Harvard would open themselves up to horrific lawsuits as an “accessory” to whatever crime ends up being handed down on Obama relative to his qualifications to be President. Therefore, the one thing we probably CAN be sure of is that Obama did graduate from Harvard Magna Cum Laude. Again, I don’t like the guy, but I have to give the guy credit where credit is due if he graduated with honors. I graduated with honors as well, and I worked my butt of for it!

  217. Troy Says:

    He attended Punahou, a college preparatory school in Hawaii. Many graduates go on to attend Ivy League and top rated colleges.

    Punahou was founded by New England missionaries to educate their children and the children of the royal Hawaiian families.
    It is a private school, supported by tuition and the alumni. Obama attended on a scholarship program, since he exhibited exceptional academic skills.

    It is one of the top rated schools in the nation and the world.

    Sanford B. Dole, who was the president of the short-lived Hawaiian Republic, was a graduate.
    Barack Obama, if he is elected, will become the first president of the United States, but the second president of a country to have graduated from Punahou.

    Former AOL/Time Warner Chairman and founder of America Online, Steve Case, is also a graduate of Punahou.

  218. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Fox,

    I do think there will be some problems…. VERY heated for a few days….. intense for about a week…. then weakening from there as the me me people get back focusing on their own little world.

  219. Foxtrot Says:

    Interesting Troy!

  220. sba1872 Says:

    foxtrot,

    Re former h/t to you: No problem. Just giving proper attribution to the original declarer of the undisputed fact that ROSETTA GANG ROCKS! I do not believe any blogger has or could challenge this statement as if they did, they would be justly cyberclobbered.

  221. Foxtrot Says:

    Hi JAC! But Civil War . . . no.

  222. Foxtrot Says:

    Here, here sba! Well said!

  223. amy Says:

    Rev Manning said there would be NO rioting in the streets except for at Obamas house.

  224. sba1872 Says:

    Sorry, j.b. Forgot to h/t for use of cyberclobber. Will do so next time.

  225. amy Says:

    I have a feeling if Obama would have his way, all of us anti obamas would be “cyberclobbered”.

  226. Troy Says:

    Search: All Names Living people Dead people Band Names Book Titles Movie Titles Full Text for

    Barack Obama
    AKA Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.

    Born: 4-Aug-1961
    Birthplace: Mombasa, Kenya

    Gender: Shemale
    Religion: Muslim
    Race or Ethnicity: Multiracial
    Sexual orientation: Bi-sexual
    Occupation: Politician / Liar
    Party Affiliation: Marxist

    Nationality: Kenya, Indonesia, United States
    Executive summary: Usurper-Elect of the United States

    Barack Obama is a multiracial American politician, though he refers to himself as African-American. He served as Democratic state senator in Illinois, and then as US Senator from that state. Only two other blacks have served in the US Senate since Reconstruction. His father was an economics student from Nairobi, his mother a white American anthropology student when they married. They divorced when Obama was young, and his father returned to Kenya. Obama was raised by his mother until about age 10, when his maternal grandmother in Honolulu took him in. He graduated with honors from Harvard Law School, where he was the first African-American to become Editor-in-Chief of the Harvard Law Review. Obama practiced civil rights law, representing victims of housing and employment discrimination and working on voting rights legislation. He worked as a community organizer in a poor Chicago neighborhood. He has spoken against NAFTA and racial profiling, and for universal health care. From the start, he opposed war in Iraq.

  227. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    If Bam Bam gets sworn in without qualifying himself…. and signs laws….. the first people to break these same laws will use their attorneys to challenge these laws in criminal court

  228. amy Says:

    Troy, you forgot.. aka barry soetoro

  229. j.b. Says:

    foxtrot,

    Re former h/t to you: No problem. Just giving proper attribution to the original declarer of the undisputed fact that ROSETTA GANG ROCKS! I do not believe any blogger has or could challenge this statement as if they did, they would be justly cyberclobbered.


    *************************************

    🙂

  230. Foxtrot Says:

    Oooooooooooooo TROY, you are not going to like this post from another website. Apparently Obama IS President Elect right now! (ducking now as to avoid the glass vase being thrown at me). Remember, don’t shoot the messenger! Loves ya Troy, remember that?
    ________________________

    The Office of the President Elect
    written by Frank Arduini, December 07, 2008

    The office of the President Elect and the office of the Vice-president Elect are authorized by the Presidential Transitions act of 1963:

    http://www.gsa.gov/Portal/gsa/…ntId=24780

    They are amended by the Presidential Transitions act of 2000.

    http://www.gsa.gov/Portal/gsa/…ntId=24781

    The Acts specifically say that the offices comes into being on the day after the general election and disappear on Jan 20th. It does not wait until the Electoral College votes.

  231. j.b. Says:

    Sorry, j.b. Forgot to h/t for use of cyberclobber. Will do so next time.

    So not necessary. As far as I’m concerned , once it’s out there-it’s game.

    testing

  232. Foxtrot Says:

    Troy — here is a guy who believes what you are saying in correct!
    Attention JUSTIN
    written by Getagrip, December 07, 2008

    HEY JUSTIN:

    Obama is NOT the President Elect yet. He won’t technically be that until (or unless) the Electoral College votes him in as such. That’s a fact. As it stands right now, he’s only a candidate. In truth, it’s just an ego trip for him to be running around with his ridiculous “Office of the President Elect” signs. It’s quite humorous. After all, the “office” of the President Elect doesn’t exist. He’s like a big insecure kid with a new toy. It comes off as egotistical, childish & strange to rational thinking people. Pathetic & embarrassing actually.

    Heck, even the Russians (Pravda) understand that the office doesn’t exist:

    http://english.pravda.ru/opini…ng_Obama-0

  233. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    >:)
    Fox
    I had to hide from the hubby today for awhile 🙂

  234. j.b. Says:

    hmmmmm, does anyone here know what blockquoting is? I tried it in my above post and am curious about the results.Trying it here, too.

    Hey, Troy, btw, that’s the second time I got a Bingo(from you?) here! What’d I win? What’d I win?

    🙂

  235. Foxtrot Says:

    Gotta go watch one of my favorite shows, The Amazing Race, for an hour. Be back afterward!

  236. Foxtrot Says:

    JAC — why’d you have to hide from hubby?

  237. j.b. Says:

    Hey it does work! (Kinda)……….Okay, goin’ back to decorating. *much to my chagrin*

  238. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Fox

    Oh he was not happy about using the dolly and bringing in 6 loads of Christmas decorations…. especially when he stepped in dog poo out by the shed and slid and fell on his fanny…… lol…… after I knew he was OK I couldn’t stop laughing…… so was not on his favorite person list for awhile lol

  239. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    well the pizza deliver guy should be ringing the door bell any minute…..
    I’ll be back later

  240. CJ Says:

    I have been totally involved with the evolution of the fraudulent candidate Obama and his campaign since last January. I was a staunch Hillary supporter and watched with growing horror as OB came on the scene, seemingly out of nowhere, to take the nomination from Hillary using the most unethical means at his disposal and with a gang of unsvory associates helping him do it. I then became a veteran blog reader and have been since. No one wants him to be exposed more than I do and there seems to be unending evidence to do that. I watched the truths unfold but the evidence never mattered and he still continues on planning the takeover of America and her Constitution. My one question now is: Why does anyone think there is any trace left of the needed proofs that will finally show his ineligibilty? The word I have heard over and over is that his records from everywhere in his past is “they are sealed.” Does anyone think that there is no longer any records to be unsealed? If this takeover has been in the works for so long–at least since 2004–I think the records have been scrubbed, deleted, destroyed., why couldn’t someone who wants him ousted get the records? Money talks and for some reason, no one who opposes him has been able to get even a copy of those records in question that we know of. Maybe I watch too many investigative tv shows, but come on. At least his college records should have been able to have been obtained. We’ve all read of cases that information has been dug out by really good investigators. Maybe the stories about some horrific conseqence happening if he didn’t get elected would happen are true. There seems to be no logical or sensible answers to what we have all just been through and that we are still going through. I hope the SC can request them and that they get them, but I don’t think it will happen. Too much time has passed and too much underhanded games have been played for this to unravel for him and his evil backers. I doubt we will ever get close to the truth anytime soon.

  241. CJ Says:

    Should be “are” not “is”. Sorry for the bad grammar. Been a long work day!

  242. Al Says:

    j.b. Says:

    December 7, 2008 at 11:24 pm
    Al,
    you asked about this earlier and as far as I can tell you were not answered…….Obama’s mama could NOT pass on citizenship to him when he was born, because SHE was only 18 when she had him and (at the time, in 1961) she needed to be at least 19 and have lived in the U.S for 5 years after she turned 14 to do so. That has since changed, but NOT soon enough for OPoser.

    OBAMA IS NOT QUALIFIED TO BE POTUS!

    All he has to do is show his real BC, (vault copy) to prove otherwise. But he won’t BECAUSE, HE CAN’T.

    I am growing more and more angry at Obama and his enablers the more time he steals from ALL OF US regarding this issue!

    DAMMIT.

    *************************************************************

    Thanks for sharing, JB, appreciate your thoughtfulness and follow-up; however, Do you have a specific birth date for Ms. Stanley Anne Dunham that suggests that at Mr. Obama’s birth (August 4, 1961) she was only 18 as oppose to 19 or older?

  243. Foxtrot Says:

    Al – (on commercial break from Amazing Race!) Michelle Obama and Barack have both said she was 18 when he was born, on numerous interviews/occasions. I know I heard Michelle say it at least once, and I believe Obama states she was 18 when she had him in one of his own books!

  244. sba1872 Says:

    Al,

    Per Wikipedia, she was born 11/29/42 so on 8/4/61, she was a few months shy of her 19th birthday.

  245. Al Says:

    In response to the how I came up with “natural born citizens” as oppose to “citizens” please read the following information I read earlier today before watching the Philadelphia Eagles dismantle my NY Giants…please note the paragraph (5th down) that begins with Alaska…

    Citizenship at birth on the U.S. territories and former U.S. territories
    Separate sections handle territories that the United States has acquired over time, such as Puerto Rico 8 U.S.C. § 1402, Alaska 8 U.S.C. § 1404, Hawaii 8 U.S.C. § 1405, the U.S. Virgin Islands 8 U.S.C. § 1406, and Guam 8 U.S.C. § 1407. Each of these sections confer citizenship on persons living in these territories as of a certain date, and usually confer natural-born status on persons born in those territories after that date. [17]

    For example, for Puerto Rico, all persons born in Puerto Rico between April 11, 1899, and January 12, 1941, are automatically conferred citizenship as of the date the law was signed by the President Harry S. Truman on June 27, 1952. Additionally, all persons born in Puerto Rico on or after January 13, 1941, are natural-born citizens of the United States. Note that because of when the law was passed, for some, the natural-born status was retroactive.

    The law contains one other section of historical note, concerning the Panama Canal Zone and the nation of Panama. In 8 U.S.C. § 1403, the law states that anyone born in the Canal Zone or in Panama itself, on or after February 26, 1904, to a mother and/or father who is a United States citizen, was “declared” to be a United States citizen. Note that the terms “natural-born” or “citizen at birth” are missing from this section.

    All person born in the U.S. Virgin Islands on or after February 25, 1927, are natural-born citizens of the United States. The 8 U.S.C. § 1406 also indicate that all the persons and their children born in the U.S. Virgin Islands subsequent to January 17, 1917, and prior to February 25,1927, are declared to be citizens of the United States as of February 25, 1927 if complied with the U.S. law dispositions.

    All person born in the Alaska on or after June 2, 1924, are natural-born citizens of the United States. Alaska was declared U.S. State on January 3, 1959.

    All person born in the Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900, are natural-born citizens of the United States. Hawaii was declared U.S. State on August 21, 1959.

  246. Al Says:

    sba1872 Says:

    December 8, 2008 at 1:35 am
    Al,

    Per Wikipedia, she was born 11/29/42 so on 8/4/61, she was a few months shy of her 19th birthday.

    *************************************************************

    Okay, Thank you for sharing, SBA1872. The plot/mystery thickens…:(

  247. Troy Says:

    post a link, Al
    Everywhere that I find that same info, it says citizen and not natural born citizen.

  248. Foxtrot Says:

    Me too , Troy. Someone on another post stated it was “doctored” then spread on other websites.

  249. amy Says:

    Al, but this MUST be stated in The Constitution or amendment.. The Constitution over rides all state laws.when it comes to requirements for pres eligibility

  250. Troy Says:

    If it used the phrase “natural born citizen” then it is indeed doctored…I have already looked at several places and they all say “citizen”

  251. amy Says:

    The state has their own laws, but the US has the Constitution and amendments.. The presidency eligibiliy is determined by the federal laws, not by the state law.

  252. amy Says:

    It HAS to be in The Constitution or amendments.

  253. Troy Says:

    Amy, if it were ever clerified in any legal binding doc. it could be used as a precedent or reference….The simple fact is that it has never been defined…The SCOTUS need to do this once and for all.

  254. Al Says:

    amy Says:

    December 8, 2008 at 1:58 am
    Al, but this MUST be stated in The Constitution or amendment.. The Constitution over rides all state laws.when it comes to requirements for pres eligibility

    *************************************************************

    Have to give it to you, Amy, as you seem to be on top of things. Between the legal jargon and my fustration that a simple five minute news conference where Mr. Obama would simply share his orginal birth-certificate openly with the American people in good faith, I cannot seem to differentiate where State and/or Federal Law separates…The US Constitution seems to be supporting the language of Title 8 of the United States Code, Section 1401–1406, but now we have an issue with Ms. Dunham’s own age upon the birth of Mr. Obama on August 4, 1961….good grief!

  255. Troy Says:

    Actually it is Congress’ job to define it, but they can’t apply it retroactively

  256. amy Says:

    The Constitution IS WHAT IT IS..No buts about it.. However, the justices may not wish to over look the votes of the majority of the people.. Going to check out plainsradio now.

  257. Al Says:

    Troy Says:

    December 8, 2008 at 2:00 am
    If it used the phrase “natural born citizen” then it is indeed doctored…I have already looked at several places and they all say “citizen”

    *************************************************************

    You may be onto something here, Troy, because where the words (Natural born or citizen) didn’t exactly raise my suspicions have to admit the diction/prose/tense didn’t seem to be coherent…

    First, the Giants lose and now Ms. Dunham’s age is an issue, etc.

  258. amy Says:

    no troy, it is up to congress to MAKE laws, NOT interpret them. The US Supreme court justices INTERPRETS..

  259. Troy Says:

    Your right Al….All he has to do is simply show his original long form cert., but yet he has already spent $800,000.00 dollars on layers so that he won’t have to show it….What’s up with Al?
    Any opinions?….Just whip out the lousy B/C!!!!….What’s the big deal?….I don’t understand, unless……..

  260. Troy Says:

    Congress to clerify, not define, not interpret….The SC can only give an opinion, they cannot MAKE law!!!

  261. Al Says:

    Foxtrot Says:

    December 8, 2008 at 1:33 am
    Al – (on commercial break from Amazing Race!) Michelle Obama and Barack have both said she was 18 when he was born, on numerous interviews/occasions. I know I heard Michelle say it at least once, and I believe Obama states she was 18 when she had him in one of his own books!

    *************************************************************

    Hi Foxy,

    Am playing catch on the posts. Well, what better authorities than the horse’s mouth and his loyal companion to confirm that Ms. Dunham was in fact only 18.

  262. amy Says:

    Right troy, you Got it!

  263. Al Says:

    catch up on the post is what I should have written—sorry for wasting your bandwidth Rose… will edit before clicking from this point on. Hope you’re having a safe and wonderful Sunday.

    *&%$# Giants!

  264. amy Says:

    What I am not so sure about is exactly what effect that obamas Indonesian citizenship has on his eligibility.

  265. Troy Says:

    Al,
    Still no link?

  266. Troy Says:

    Well here is one thing….His name was changed to Barry Soetoro….If it were never LEGALLY changed back, then his entire life in the US has been one giant FRAUD….It would mean he broke election laws among MANY others….That’s just one problem among many with the Indo citizenship

  267. amy Says:

    Troy, then maybe someone will get him for his acts of fraud (so many) if NOT his eligibility.

  268. Al Says:

    Troy Says:

    December 8, 2008 at 2:18 am
    Al,
    Still no link?

    *************************************************************

    Hey Troy,

    Not sure how far up it is but I shared it about 2 1/2–3hrs. ago…cornell.edu/00001401–I’ll head back up and track it down. Give me a few secs.

  269. sba1872 Says:

    Troy,

    Al can correct me if I am wrong, but it seems he may be quoting from Wikipedia:

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law#cite_note-16

    This sounds like Al’s quote:

    “Citizenship at birth on the U.S. territories and former U.S. territories

    Separate sections handle territories that the United States has acquired over time, such as Puerto Rico 8 U.S.C. § 1402, Alaska 8 U.S.C. § 1404, Hawaii 8 U.S.C. § 1405, the U.S. Virgin Islands 8 U.S.C. § 1406, and Guam 8 U.S.C. § 1407. Each of these sections confer citizenship on persons living in these territories as of a certain date, and usually confer natural-born status on persons born in those territories after that date. [17]”

    Note that footnote 17 says “as retrieved on November 22, 2008” and takes you to:

    usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

    There are some things I will trust Wikipedia on (that’s where I got Stanley Ann Dunham’s birthdate), but it is by no means a fully credible source. From what I understand, almost anyone can log in and make changes. It is fairly obvious, though, that any changes made on 11/22/08 were added in view of the natural-born question recently raised by the Donofrio suit. As to the usconstitution.net information, I believe that site is using the term “citizen of the United States at birth” and “natural-born citizen” interchangeably. If I’m not mistaken, according to Leo, those are not the same. Ok, Al, if I’m mistaken, you may feel free to cyberclobber me. (h/t J.B.)

  270. Troy Says:

    Haha….If he’s a felonous fraud, the believe me he is disqualified.
    You can’t be a felon and be pres

  271. amy Says:

    I wrote to my representative complaining about his crimes against The Logan Act and he responded he would look into it if he got voted back as representative for term beginning in Jan. lol

  272. Troy Says:

    He can’t post a link because there isn’t one

  273. Troy Says:

    He violated the Logan Act on 3 seperate occasions

  274. amy Says:

    Obama violated The Logan Act twice, first when he campaigned for Odinga in kenya, second when he tried to get Iraq to wait until he took over office to decide about withdrawal

  275. amy Says:

    Three?

  276. Troy Says:

    “Citizenship at birth on the U.S. territories and former U.S. territories
    ————————————————————
    Hell, anchor babies have “citizenship at birth”

  277. amy Says:

    Oh, you mean his trip to Germany?

  278. amy Says:

    It appears he believes he is ABOVE the law.

  279. amy Says:

    Yep, sneak across the border to have an American baby..

  280. amy Says:

    Troy, the only links I believe about the Constitution comes from the Constitution itself.

  281. Al Says:

    hockeyfan530 Says:

    December 7, 2008 at 10:49 pm
    troy is was just joking about al’s contention that bambam is a cia/fbi agent.

    *************************************************************

    Hey Hockeyfan’

    Hope you’re enjoying a great Sunday. saw this post while combing through the post from earlier today to retreive a link for Troy. Just for clarification sake though, where I believe Mr. Obama may have had some involvement with the US intelligence services I’ve never posted specifically which one because I don’t know, but suffice it to say that if he was allowed access into Pakistan when no Americans could gain entrance there’s a reason for that, especially considering all these years later no one in the US intelligence community seems to mind that this same person who gained entrance into Pakistan is a “clear and present danger” to the United States of America. Why? Because they already know where his true allegiance belongs. Off to find that link. Peace.

  282. Troy Says:

    Three….He struck a deal with Indo. as part of reward for sealing his docs….I will have to do some digging to get the specifics….It has something to do with an island people that Indo has been wipe out and the US was against it….We now ignore it.

  283. amy Says:

    He was ALLOWED entrance to Pakistan because he had an Indonesian passport..Simple as that.

  284. Troy Says:

    Al,
    He simply went to Pakistan on his Indo passport….Not as an American, but as an Indonesian that he was at the time.

  285. Al Says:

    Troy,

    Try this. As always add the http–omitted in respect of Rose–to read the “natural born citizen” as oppose to “citizen”, etc, etc, etc…thanks for your patience.

    ****://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law

  286. amy Says:

    If he went to Indonesia on a US passport and lived there several years as an Indonesian citizen, then he must have had an Indonesian passport to travel on.. What proof did his stepfather have to show the school he was an Indonesian citizen?

  287. Troy Says:

    He had to relinquish his US citizenship while in Indo…They did not allow dual citizenship…Now is Indo starting to matter more?

  288. amy Says:

    Al, did you NOT know that wikipedia is authored by just anyone? Anyone can say anything there, but it does NOT make it true, sir…I believe ONLY what it is the Constitution when it talks about the presidency.

  289. amy Says:

    How in the heck has Obama gotten by with ALL this anyway?

  290. Troy Says:

    Al,
    I’m not going to bother with Wiki link….I want to see the doc. itself, not WIKI…The fact is that I have looked at the actual printed doc. and it never uses the phrase “N B C”

  291. amy Says:

    Troy, it just makes me sick to see this unfolding right before our eyes, and not be able to do anything to stop it..

  292. Al Says:

    Agreed, Amy and Troy, however, at whose direction and handling? There are some entities that would rather everyone believe this young, college kid just had a whim to drop his studies at Columbia and visit Pakistan and had the expenses to do it all alone. Wonder who was paying his tuition at Columbia? Just a thought.

  293. Troy Says:

    amy Says:

    December 8, 2008 at 2:46 am
    How in the heck has Obama gotten by with ALL this anyway?
    ————————————————————-
    There is an extremely powerful force/pepole behind all of this…More powerful than we can begin to imagine

  294. amy Says:

    Al, yes, I suppose some is true, but some are just opinions, NOT facts.

  295. Troy Says:

    It’s called the Aluminati

  296. amy Says:

    Troy, yes, VERY POWERFUL INDEED.

  297. Al Says:

    amy Says:

    December 8, 2008 at 2:45 am
    Al, did you NOT know that wikipedia is authored by just anyone? Anyone can say anything there, but it does NOT make it true, sir…I believe ONLY what it is the Constitution when it talks about the presidency.

    *************************************************************

    No, I did not until now ’cause I trust your word. But one would think that those “authors” should care enough to get their facts straight…your faith in the US Constitution is your best bet, Amy.

  298. Troy Says:

    Yes, anyone can post info on WIKI

  299. Troy Says:

    Wiki is constantly being edited for accuracy

  300. amy Says:

    Al, thank you.. I guess its all up to the US Supreme Court. I realy dont think they will go against the majority of the people though. It depends how much far they want to go to protect The Constitution though.

  301. Al Says:

    amy Says:

    December 8, 2008 at 2:50 am
    Al, yes, I suppose some is true, but some are just opinions, NOT facts.

    *************************************************************

    So, even though I actually believed what the “authors” wrote about “Natural born citizens”, there’s no recourse for me had I turned in a thesis of sorts with their information footnoted and gotten an “F” grade for my efforts?!

  302. Troy Says:

    That’s correct

  303. Al Says:

    Troy Says:

    December 8, 2008 at 2:56 am
    Wiki is constantly being edited for accuracy

    *************************************************************

    And the enlightment begins…better now than later–thanks for the heads up, Troy.

  304. amy Says:

    Well, lots of patients to see tomorrow, so bedtime for me.. Nice talking to you, guys.. Nighters…

  305. Troy Says:

    Hey Al,
    What if Obama is indeed some sort of an agent, but not for the US?

  306. Troy Says:

    GN

  307. Al Says:

    amy Says:

    December 8, 2008 at 2:56 am
    Al, thank you.. I guess its all up to the US Supreme Court. I realy dont think they will go against the majority of the people though. It depends how much far they want to go to protect The Constitution though.

    *************************************************************

    It shouldn’t have to come down to the SCOTUS, because a simple press conference where Mr. Obama shares his original birth-certificate openly and honestly with the American people in good faith is what is needed here, for sides–pro-Obama and alike. Let’s just leave the courts out of it and move forward one way or another after an open press conference.

  308. Troy Says:

    Agreed

  309. Al Says:

    Peace and a great week ahead, Troy.

  310. Troy Says:

    TOO MANY SECRETS

  311. Troy Says:

    G’nite

  312. Al Says:

    Thanks for the chat, Amy. Have a great week ahead. Peace. Goodnight Rose and THANKS for allowing us a place to share.

  313. sba1872 Says:

    To be fair to Al, Wiki sources the information on this topic to usconstitution.net. See specifically, usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html
    where it states

    “Natural-born citizen

    Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?”

    I don’t know who writes usconstitution.net, but I’m guessing it’s an Oblahblahbot.

  314. Troy Says:

    everyone has their own opinion, none are law

  315. hockeyfan530 Says:

    has anyone in the msm commented on Richardson saying Obama was an immigrant? I know the answer (probably) but i boycotted the MSM

  316. Lyn Says:

    Does anyone know if Kenya had any laws about female foriegners marrying a male Kenyan citz and their citizenship?
    I read on an Indonesian site (while ago don’t have link,) that if a Indonesian man marries a foriegn woman, she becomes Indonesian. (different rules for Indo female/foriegn male) so was wonderring If Kenya had a similar law and then IF Momma was Kenyan by their law.

  317. Vicki Says:

    Bill Cunningham is on the radio right now talking about the BC. He is the one who took over Drudge’s Sunday night talk show. He’s on many radio stations across the country.

  318. Foxtrot Says:

    Big news! Obama finally responded to Leo’s case. Leo should present this to SCOTUS asap. Here is the post below.

    TEAM OBAMA’S RESPONSE TO DONOFRIO VS WELLS

    Team Obama has finally responded to Leo Donofrio’s Supreme Court position that Obama is not an Article II “natural born citizen” — proceeding from phase 1 (ignore) to phase 2 (ridicule) now to phase 3 (respond with legal points) … on the way to phase 4 (acceptance).

    Team Obama’s legal argument, from OpEdNews —

    http://www.opednews.com/articles/Is-Barack-Obama-Natural-Bo-by-Hargrove-081207-817.html

    — in a nutshell is as follows:

    The Framers elected not to define “natural born citizen,” except by exempting themselves, which self exemption “could be due the fact that they were not born in the United States without regard to whether or not they had been subject to British jurisdiction,” and the Framers’ lack of concern about dual citizenship or loyalties is shown by their only requiring Presidents to have been residents in the United States for 14 years — meaning an eligible candidate born in the United States still could have resided under the jurisdiction of another country for 21 years or more; and even if the Framers WERE concerned about split loyalties, those were intended to be addressed on a “case by case basis” — and it would not be reasonable to conclude that Obama would have British loyalty since the British Citizenship conferred on him at birth was only “due to his biological relationship to an estranged and unfamiliar father.”

    Team Obama concludes that the Framer’s definition of “Natural Born Citizen” is the same as “Citizen” meaning all that is required is birth in the United States, even if neither parent is an American Citizen.

    I’d say, if that’s all they got, Leo’s case is a slam dunk!

    Hat tip to the Framers! They were very wise men.

    http://citizenwells.wordpress.com

  319. Foxtrot Says:

    Oops, sorry Rose. Forgot to take off the h t t p and W W W. I will repost.

  320. Foxtrot Says:

    Big news! Obama finally responded to Leo’s case. Leo should present this to SCOTUS asap. Here is the post below.

    TEAM OBAMA’S RESPONSE TO DONOFRIO VS WELLS

    Team Obama has finally responded to Leo Donofrio’s Supreme Court position that Obama is not an Article II “natural born citizen” — proceeding from phase 1 (ignore) to phase 2 (ridicule) now to phase 3 (respond with legal points) … on the way to phase 4 (acceptance).

    Team Obama’s legal argument, from OpEdNews —

    ( use h t t p: / / w w w . in front of address)
    opednews.com/articles/Is-Barack-Obama-Natural-Bo-by-Hargrove-081207-817.html

    — in a nutshell is as follows:

    The Framers elected not to define “natural born citizen,” except by exempting themselves, which self exemption “could be due the fact that they were not born in the United States without regard to whether or not they had been subject to British jurisdiction,” and the Framers’ lack of concern about dual citizenship or loyalties is shown by their only requiring Presidents to have been residents in the United States for 14 years — meaning an eligible candidate born in the United States still could have resided under the jurisdiction of another country for 21 years or more; and even if the Framers WERE concerned about split loyalties, those were intended to be addressed on a “case by case basis” — and it would not be reasonable to conclude that Obama would have British loyalty since the British Citizenship conferred on him at birth was only “due to his biological relationship to an estranged and unfamiliar father.”

    Team Obama concludes that the Framer’s definition of “Natural Born Citizen” is the same as “Citizen” meaning all that is required is birth in the United States, even if neither parent is an American Citizen.

    I’d say, if that’s all they got, Leo’s case is a slam dunk!

    Hat tip to the Framers! They were very wise men.

    citizenwells.wordpress.com

  321. Foxtrot Says:

    What a friggin BOMB they just dropped! “Even if NEITHER parent is an American citizen”! Holy, frickin’ crap!!!!! This may be more complicated than we think. Perhaps Obama’s mother did give up her U.S. citizenship in Indonesia. Unbelievable!

  322. hockeyfan530 Says:

    so now we have 2 different interpretations of the same issue. It sounds like it would be pretty simple to shoot down bambam’s arguement

  323. hockeyfan530 Says:

    i wonder why they waited so long to respond? They’ve had to have known what their response would be long ago

  324. Lyn Says:

    Troy, you are probably talking about An American Expat in Southeast Asia ‘s blog “Obama: Throwing Papua Under the Bus”
    /laotze.blogspot.com/2008/09/obama-throwing-papau-under-bus.html

    it’s just http

  325. Foxtrot Says:

    Fan — I think the SCOTUS delay made them a bit nervous. They might want to be sending a message to SCOTUS through the ‘back door’, instead of responding to Berg’s case directly. Just speculation on my part, but it would make sense. They also know that this case is going mainstream and it scares the he## out of them!

  326. Foxtrot Says:

    All I can say is that SCOTUS better rule to have him show the documents/open up his records. This will never go away and Obama will never be considered a legitimate President by half of America and alot of the rest of the world.

  327. Foxtrot Says:

    Brief info from AmericaMustKnow.com

    TX State Senator Darrel Reece Hunter v Obama

    (use h t t p: / /)
    [americamustknow.com/Documents/USSTotal.pdf]Docs

    He’s going after everyone.

    This one should be filed Monday. That makes 5 to the U.S. Supreme Court: Berg, Donofrio, Wrotnoski, Strunk, & Hunter (no docket numbers on Strunk or Hunter)

  328. hockeyfan530 Says:

    i can’t wait to hear donofrio’s response to this

  329. Foxtrot Says:

    Oh brother! Now I am going to stew about this ALL night! Remember, We The People has their press conference tomorrow at the National Press Club. I expect it will be well attended.

    Talk to you all tomorrow.

  330. Foxtrot Says:

    Rose, please keep this thread up until about 9:30 a.m tomorrow, if you can. Lots of good “reads” in the last half hour for people to check out.

    Thanks Rose!

  331. hockeyfan530 Says:

    OK, according to bambam he had Kenyan citizenship. Given all of his fine work with Odinga and his family living in Kenya I think it’s pretty obvious that Obama does indeed have some loyalties to Kenya

  332. sba1872 Says:

    Thanks, Foxtrot.

    My favorite part:

    “Leo Donofrio and I agree that “the Framers “didn’t want future generations to be Governed by a Commander In Chief who had split loyalty to another Country,” consequently, the spirit of the law infers that reasonable issues of compromised loyalty can be raised, on a case by case basis.

    In the case of Barack Obama, it is not reasonable to conclude that his loyalty would be compromised, because “British citizenship” was conferred on him at birth, due to his biological relationship to an estranged and unfamiliar father. This is especially true since, there is no evidence that he exercised any rights, burdens or privileges of that citizenship, nor did he confirm that citizenship in any way.

    ——
    “No evidence” is right. BECAUSE ALL RECORDS ARE SEALED. If it is truly BO’s position that compromised loyalty can be raised on a case by case basis, then he must unseal all records by which such a determination can be made.

  333. Lyn Says:

    Foxtrot, I don’t see in the OPed article anything about Team Obama or is the article written by one of Obama’s lawyers?

  334. thinkingmom11 Says:

    They Claim this:

    “could be due the fact that they [Founding Fathers] were not born in the United States without regard to whether or not they had been subject to British jurisdiction

    Many of the founding fathers including Washington, Jefferson, Adams were all born in what would become America. Easy to blast that arguement out of the water…

  335. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    whoaaaa something told me to get out of bed and peek in

  336. j.b. Says:

    Foxtrot, I don’t see in the OPed article anything about Team Obama or is the article written by one of Obama’s lawyers?

    Me, neither.

  337. Lyn Says:

    someone asked for richardson Obama is an immigrant link
    americanthinker.com/blog/2008/12/huh_what_does_bill_richardson.html

  338. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Some things to remember when discussing divided loyalties and BObama:

    =His “estranged” and distant father opened wound in young Obama that lingered long enough to pine about in a book he wrote not so long ago. Most people who have “estranged” relationships with there father often do irrational things to prove their love, worth, value to that estranged father. Could this be why he is so involved in Kenyan politics?
    =His chosen church of 20 years expressed and expectded an “undivided loyalty” to the mother country – Africa.

    If they are going to argue that he doesn’t have divided loyalties, I beg to differ. I would like to see one example of him showing undivided loyalty – TO AMERICA. For each one they give I’ll bet we could come up with 2 or 3 examples where he isn’t. How many times has he commented in one way or another that this country and it’s constitution is flawed? How many times (that we know of) has he gone to foreign countries and tried to influence policy? What EXACTLY has he done to show his loyalty? He ran off all competition in his first State Senate race – that is just unAmerican. I think if you put it up to most people like this:

    OK So you want Obama to be president. Fine. He is not a natural born citizen. But you say that’s OK. Obama claims that if might even be OK for someone who has both parents being non-citizen to be president even if they subsequently lived abroad a large portion of their lives. SOOOO, if a terrorist comes to the US JUST to have a baby be born a citizen then moves to Iran, Pakistan, Iraq, Indonesia, Russia, etc… then they could come back to the US later in life, live here 14 years and then be President. Yea. I don’t think the Founding Father would approve. The founding fathers obviously wanted to have a little stricter qualifications for Pres than for Congress. And what they are arguing goes against what has even been common understanding of the definition of NBC. Most people would agree without much thought that Arnold couldn’t be president. AND they sound soooooo flippant about it. grrrrrrrrrr

  339. ddlew Says:

    Just wanted to remind everyone that today was Pearl Harbor Day.

    December 7, 1941

  340. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    I’m not seeing it either…… nothing that says team obama responds

  341. thinkingmom11 Says:

    who ever wrote that claims to be this:

    Student of social dynamics, especially as it relates to issues of race and sex.

    WHATEVER

  342. thinkingmom11 Says:

    I gotta go again. Will TRY to keep up with things tomorrow…I am so grateful that you all do such a great job scouring and scouting information that I know I can count on coming here to get hooked up with the best news out there. You guys ROCK! g’nite

  343. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    sigh,…… will try looking for it myself…….

  344. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    same with me Lyn,…… I didn’t see it either

  345. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    the things that make you go Hmmmmmm
    __________

    am I wrong to suspect clones?
    hit and run after news like that wouldn’t be their style

  346. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    ddew
    still around??

  347. j.b. Says:

    I don’t know about no clones………same (avatar) as it ever was.
    *shrugs*

    *warning* boring, trivial drivel below. (I know, “what’s new”?)

    ~why the he!! do I not take a picture each year of my house once it is decorated for Christmas? I have no idea where all this stuff goes! Two days (off and on) I have been working on it, am I done? No. We do not have our tree up yet, either.~

  348. j.b. Says:

    Just wanted to remind everyone that today was Pearl Harbor Day.

    December 7, 1941

    Thanks for the reminder. I meant to post that earlier but I forgot. 🙂

  349. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    j.b.
    just seemed weird….. and still haven’t found anything that said it came from Team Obama…

    ___________
    just what we need now….. Bam Bam is getting threatened by the muslims

    worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=82984

  350. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    a sample from the link above
    _______________________
    JERUSALEM – Claiming Barack Obama has roots in the Islamic religion, an Egyptian cleric has broadcast a plea urging Obama to convert to Islam while warning if the U.S. doesn’t withdraw its troops from the Middle East and provide aid to Muslims, those “eager for [death]” will attack America.

  351. sba1872 Says:

    JAC,

    I think Foxtrot was quoting from here:

    http://www.oilforimmigration.org/facts/?p=467

    This appears to be the first time an Oblahblahblogger has bothered to actually acknowledge the Donofrio suit as a serious challenge with an attempt to analyze and respond to the arguments raised. It seems pretty weak, in my opinion, but it is an acknowledgment with a genuine attempt at rebuttal.

  352. j.b. Says:

    Maybe we should send them Obambi’s Indonesian paperwork.
    You know, the one (we actually have had the priviledge of seeing, tyvm) that states his religion as “Islam”. I’m sure the terrorists will leave US alone forever, then.
    pfffffffft.

  353. sba1872 Says:

    For JAC,

    Sorry, Rose. I forgot to take out the w w w on my response for Cindy so I’ll fix it here:

    I think Foxtrot was quoting from here: oilforimmigration.org/facts/?p=467

    This appears to be the first time an Oblahblahblogger has bothered to actually acknowledge the Donofrio suit as a serious challenge with an attempt to analyze and respond to the arguments raised. It seems pretty weak, in my opinion, but it is an acknowledgment with a genuine attempt at rebuttal.

  354. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    thanks sba

  355. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    j.b.

    if I understand correctly, if bam bam was truly Muslim and IF he converted to Christianity; the Muslim world considers this a high act of treason to their county and beliefs…
    denouncing Muslim faith is a big no no to them

  356. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    sba
    read the article,….. thanks again….

  357. j.b. Says:

    j.b.

    if I understand correctly, if bam bam was truly Muslim and IF he converted to Christianity; the Muslim world considers this a high act of treason to their county and beliefs…
    denouncing Muslim faith is a big no no to them

    Great. I guess we can’t win for losing……….whatever that means.

  358. jjones Says:

    Ok, I don’t get it.
    Where is the connection of opednews.com/articles/Is-Barack-Obama-Natural-Bo-by-Hargrove-081207-817.html and Obama?
    can someone explain?

  359. cheyenne Says:

    Hi everybody….I’m not a blogger but read this one every night. I’ve gotten so used to all of you, you seem like my own family.

    I’m wondering If any of you have seen the article on “slate” today, concerning the law suit’s??? I’m furious with the writer of that! It makes all of us seem like a “blundering bunch of Iodits! Sounds like their a little riled up at Phil Berg….But at least somebody Is paying attention.

  360. Lynn Says:

    ( use h t t p: / / w w w . in front of address)
    opednews.com/articles/Is-Barack-Obama-Natural-Bo-by-Hargrove-081207-817.html

    I’m sorry, I’m confused. Where did the Obama Team respond in this article?

  361. sba1872 Says:

    jjones,

    Hargrove is apparently a member of Team Obama bloggers. Repost of my comment for Cindy above:

    I think Foxtrot was quoting from here: oilforimmigration.org/facts/?p=467

    This appears to be the first time an Oblahblahblogger has bothered to actually acknowledge the Donofrio suit as a serious challenge with an attempt to analyze and respond to the arguments raised. It seems pretty weak, in my opinion, but it is an acknowledgment with a genuine attempt at rebuttal.

    See also Ted at comment #1.

  362. Lyn Says:

    There was an article in the NYT about IF obama was born muslim and quit all the problems it could cause President Apostate? nytimes.com/2008/05/12/opinion/12luttwak.html

    His conversion, however, was a crime in Muslim eyes; it is “irtidad” or “ridda,” usually translated from the Arabic as “apostasy,” but with connotations of rebellion and treason. Indeed, it is the worst of all crimes that a Muslim can commit, worse than murder (which the victim’s family may choose to forgive).

  363. Lyn Says:

    The punishement for Apostates is beheading BUT
    “Because no government is likely to allow the prosecution of a President Obama — not even those of Iran and Saudi Arabia, the only two countries where Islamic religious courts dominate over secular law — another provision of Muslim law is perhaps more relevant: it prohibits punishment for any Muslim who kills any apostate, and effectively prohibits interference with such a killing.

    At the very least, that would complicate the security planning of state visits by President Obama to Muslim countries, because the very act of protecting him would be sinful for Islamic security guards. More broadly, most citizens of the Islamic world would be horrified by the fact of Senator Obama’s conversion to Christianity once it became widely known — as it would, no doubt, should he win the White House. This would compromise the ability of governments in Muslim nations to cooperate with the United States in the fight against terrorism, as well as American efforts to export democracy and human rights abroad.”

  364. j.b. Says:

    So who has the e-mail addy of one of the playas in the hiararchy in the Middle East? (besides Obaabaa, of course)

    doh-my bad.

  365. j.b. Says:

    obamamessiah.blogspot.com/

    Well, I found this website a bit earlier and I have to confess-It changed me! Now I am a believer, too.

    I think it was the baby with “kiss me” written on it’s cheek by its own mother(scroll waaaaaay down), then rolled through the top of the crowd (crowd surfing, maybe?) to his destination, Barack Hussein Obama.
    Ahhhhh, it all makes sense to me now. Hope. Change. Hopey. Changey. Messi-ah.

    Thanks for the memories folks. But, I must move on now………

    Birth Certificate schmertificate.

    Oh, see you at the inauguration. Oops, sorry, what was I thinking?

    … my bad.

  366. sliderblaze Says:

    Jb, i see the dIk riding is strong with that one….

  367. j.b. Says:

    I found it! The quote I so desperately searched for yesterday. I ran acrossed it at this site. Oh, anyone here seen the “King Obama” written in cement in HI? Oh, boy, have at it.
    Goin’ to bed, finally………….

    .theobamafile.com/ObamaEducation.htm

    Obama graduated from Columbia College in 1983, and after spending a year in New York, moved to Chicago.

    Wayne Allyn Root says, “I don’t know a single person at Columbia that knows him, and they all know me. I don’t have a classmate who ever knew Barack Obama at Columbia. Ever! … Nobody recalls him. I’m not exaggerating, I’m not kidding.

    Questioner: Were you the exact same class?

    Root: Class of ’83 political science, pre-law Columbia University. You don’t get more exact than that. Never met him in my life, don’t know anyone who ever met him. At the class reunion, our 20th reunion five years ago, 20th reunion, who was asked to be the speaker of the class? Me. No one ever heard of Barack! Who was he, and five years ago, nobody even knew who he was… the guy who writes the class notes, who’s kind of the, as we say in New York, the macha who knows everybody, has yet to find a person, a human who ever met him. Is that not strange? It’s very strange…

    When asked about his undergraduate training at Columbia University, The New Times states that Obama “declined repeated requests to talk about his New York years, release his Columbia transcript or identify even a single fellow student, co-worker, roommate or friend from those years.”

    Many of his classmates don’t remember Obama. He’s not in the yearbook. Columbia couldn’t find a picture of him at school.

    What can be said with some certainty is that Mr. Obama lived off campus while at Columbia in 1981-83 and made few friends. Fox News contacted some 400 of his classmates and found no one who remembered him. He had transferred from Occidental College in California after his sophomore year because, he told the Boston Globe in 1990, “I was concerned with urban issues and I wanted to be around more black folks in big cities.”

    One more thing……..somewhere, someone said that due to ALL the foreigners (mostly Muslims) that BO was roommates with-it is almost certain that he was there on a foreign scholarship. Simply put, “they kept them together, so they could feel like they had a community” or something like that. (okay, not a direct quote but the gist is there)

  368. Bones Says:

    This is an interesting website some are saying is related to the current state of affairs at API.

    orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q0.html

  369. kaisak onisuka Says:

    Can someone please inform me of the precise rules for moderation for this site?
    Are they
    a) published so that all can follow and adhere to them
    b) arbitrary, depending on the site owner’s whim?
    I ask because this is such an equable site where squabbles seem to rarely break out. I am not saying this is bad thing; but i am first and foremost a proponent and afficionado of free speech and i need to be sure that there exists on this blog that essential freedom which is one of the last ‘lists’ of ‘important things’ in which the USA can count itself in the top 10, which it can’t on other top 10 lists, such as treatment of political prisoners and educational standards, etc, etc

  370. Foxtrot Says:

    One more thing……..somewhere, someone said that due to ALL the foreigners (mostly Muslims) that BO was roommates with-it is almost certain that he was there on a foreign scholarship. Simply put, “they kept them together, so they could feel like they had a community” or something like that. (okay, not a direct quote but the gist is there)

    _____________________

    jb — it was me who said this, and it is true! Back then, and even still today with alot of colleges, they place foreign students with other foreign students as a sort of comradery with each other–each understanding what it is like to be in a country that is not “home” and having some sort of moral support.

  371. Stacy Says:

    In reference to those talking about Obama being an agent, Sherman Skolnick said he was a British spy years ago, which makes more since now in light of Donofrio’s claim that he is a British subject.

    Excerpt:

    “2. Did Russian president Putin, suspecting he might be blamed for Hurricane Katrina, jump the gun? Just prior to Katrina hitting the Gulf, Putin noted that two U.S. Senators were in Russia snooping around off- limits secret facilities. That is U.S. Senator Barack Obama (D., Ill.) originally from the former British colony of Kenya and a year previous, before Obama was elected, was publicly fingered by me as a British spy; and his accomplice in Russia, U.S. Senator Richard Luga r (R., Ind.).”

    link:

    http://skolnicksreport.com/ootar80.html

  372. Foxtrot Says:

    14th Amendment:

    Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    What exactly did “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” mean to the framers
    of the Fourteenth Amendment?

    We are fortunate to have on record the highest authority to tell us, Sen. Lyman Trumbull, Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, author of the Thirteenth Amendment, and the one who inserted the phrase:

    [T]he provision is, that ‘all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.’ That means ‘subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.’ What do we mean by ‘complete jurisdiction thereof?’ Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means.
    Trumbull continues, “Can you sue a Navajo Indian in court? Are they in any sense subject to the complete jurisdiction of the United States? By no means. We make treaties with them, and therefore they are not subject to our jurisdiction. If they were, we wouldn’t make treaties with them…It is only those persons who come completely within our jurisdiction, who are subject to our laws, that we think of making citizens; and there can be no objection to the proposition that such persons should be citizens.[1]

    Sen. Howard concurs with Trumbull’s construction:

    Mr. HOWARD: I concur entirely with the honorable Senator from Illinois [Trumbull], in holding that the word “jurisdiction,” as here employed, ought to be construed so as to imply a full and complete jurisdiction on the part of the United States, whether exercised by Congress, by the executive, or by the judicial department; that is to say, the same jurisdiction in extent and quality as applies to every citizen of the United States now.[2]

    Sen. Johnson, speaking on the Senate floor, offers his comments and understanding of the proposed new amendment to the constitution:

    [Now], all this amendment [citizenship clause] provides is, that all persons born in the United States and not subject to some foreign Power–for that, no doubt, is the meaning of the committee who have brought the matter before us–shall be considered as citizens of the United States. That would seem to be not only a wise but a necessary provision. If there are to be citizens of the United States there should be some certain definition of what citizenship is, what has created the character of citizen as between himself and the United States, and the amendment says that citizenship may depend upon birth, and I know of no better way to give rise to citizenship than the fact of birth within the territory of the United States, born to parents who at the time were subject to the authority of the United States.[3]

    Rep. John Bingham of Ohio, considered the father of the Fourteenth Amendment, confirms the understanding and construction the framers used in regards to birthright and jurisdiction while speaking on civil rights of citizens in the House on March 9, 1866:

    find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen…[4]

    Footnotes
    ( h t t p: / / in front)
    memory.loc.gov/ammem/amlaw/lwcglink.html#anchor39

    Congressional Globe, 39th Congress (1866)
    [1]. Id. at 2893
    [2]. Id. at 2895
    [3]. Id. at 2893
    [4]. Id. at 1291

    Obama is ineligible to be the 44th President of the United States.

  373. Foxtrot Says:

    UPDATE:

    SCOTUS BLOG

    Today at the Supreme Court | 12.8.08
    Dec-07-2008 10:00:40 PM [Ben Winograd]

    At 10 a.m., the Court will release the remaining orders from the Justices’ private conference last Friday. (Click here for the orders released Friday afternoon.)

  374. sliderblaze Says:

    Fox, but was Obama Sr under the jurisdiction of the US, that is the question…….just because he was here, obama sr, doesnt make it so, imho.

  375. Foxtrot Says:

    Slider, what are you referring to?

  376. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Al Says:

    December 7, 2008 at 4:15 pm
    Well said, Anonymous. However, I hope Mr. Obama isn’t using Alinsky tactics (pushing the oposition) to lawsuits, and then in a blink of an eye producing the goods so to speak in order to shame/ridicule them, because a simple request has been made that only warrants a simple and honest response, calling for a press conference and openly sharing the original birth-certificate in good faith. Will the American people get that reasonable treatment? The answer to date is a big bold, NO! The $64,000 question is WHY?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Oh my Gosh, Al! Has Christmas come early. Now, admittedly, before I say anything, this is as far as I got in my catching up on posts, but I wish I would have been here yesterday for this! Al believes BO should produce a BC!— TM, Foxy, did you gals see this? Course you did! Wish I had been here, is all I can say!

    I did see something Al said about Bulls and their sperm–I know that Bull’s really don’t care about their sperm count– just the “cow” count! tsk. tsk.

  377. sliderblaze Says:

    i been trying to figure out that if Obama sr became a naturalized citizen here, would that make obama a natural born?

  378. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Slider – Sr. never became a naturalized citizen. I will try to find reference but I believe he actually returned to Kenya and worked for the government where you have to be a citizen of Kenya to work. Off to find supporting docs…

  379. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Slider, we can fairly well say for sure that Obama Sr. did NOT become a naturalized citizen here. For one thing, he was part of the “government plan” in Kenya, and for another, he was not here long enough (I don’t believe) to become a naturalized citizen. I could be wrong, but just my 1/2 penny’s worth.

  380. sliderblaze Says:

    thanks, i searched last night but, got caught up in something i like to call a coma, good coma by the way. i’m trying to get my niece to do this for a current events project, i want her to present this with no names at first, just the 14 amendment facts and as if the class would be willing to elect or have a president who wasnt a citizen, and ask if there were any doubts as to if they were a citizen, what should the candidate do to satisfy such questions

  381. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Nice find up there Fox. Seems like they had a pretty clear understanding that natural born meant having TWO citizen parents…among a few other things…

  382. thinkingmom11 Says:

    kiasak – welcome.

    This is an amazing community here and free speech is encouraged. However, we are very intolerant of abusive behavior toward anyone – and especially not toward any of our long time posters or toward Rosettasister who has generously allowed us to use her blog space to interact.

    Prepare to be challenged aggresively, but usually respectfully, if someone disagrees with you. We seem to mostly have similar values though political persuasions vary. Sometimes when an issue comes up that there is great opposition – instead of fighting it out, we agree to disagree and move on. Most of us actually enjoy an opposing veiw point and do our best to CONVINCE others to examine their point of veiw, but unless you get snarky in return, expect to be treated with respect.

  383. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    kaisak onisuka

    Freedom of speech applies here,……. the only rules we have is show respect and debate differences of opinion do not insult or be rude…..if it comes to that point…. sometimes you just have to agree to disagree.
    This is a great place and we love it here.

    first post goes in moderation and when rose releases it you’re free to join discussion.

  384. not my president Says:

    Does anyone know if Kenya had any laws about female foriegners marrying a male Kenyan citz and their citizenship?

    Lyn, if I were you I would look under British law, not Kenyan law…

  385. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    My thoughts exactly TM!

  386. rosettasister Says:

    Robert Says:
    December 7, 2008 at 11:08 pm

    CJ Says:
    December 8, 2008 at 1:19 am

    CJ Says:
    December 8, 2008 at 1:22 am

    Vicki Says:
    December 8, 2008 at 3:44 am

    cheyenne Says:
    December 8, 2008 at 6:44 am

    Lynn Says:
    December 8, 2008 at 6:47 am

    kaisak onisuka Says:
    December 8, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    ——————————

    Welcome to all listed above!

    Sorry! It usually doesn’t take me so long to get to first commenters.

    Too much partying at Arizona Cardinals game yesterday!

    Only first comments are moderated so you should be able to post at will now.

    Hope you all see this.

    I will copy this into comments of new post after I put it up.

    Good Monday morning, everyone!

    Rosetta

  387. rosettasister Says:

    not my president Says:
    December 8, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    ———————

    Welcome, not my pres!

    You should be able to post at will now!

    Rosetta

  388. sliderblaze Says:

    speaking of the Cardinals how bout them EAGLES….yai yai Eagles won and the rest of the teams in the division LOST and we beat the Giants, needless to say, i had a good Sunday

  389. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    morning everyone

  390. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Slider – i haven’t found anything OFFICIAL that says that Sr. was not a naturalized citizen, BUT I have never run across ANYTHING that says he was or that questions that he was always a British Subject/Kenyan citizen. Even fightthesmears.com talks about how O’s father was a British subject when Jr. was born – so I think it is pretty indisputable as well.

  391. sliderblaze Says:

    politico.com/news/stories/1208/16292.html

    let the discourse begin

  392. Foxtrot Says:

    Kaisak said: I ask because this is such an equable site where squabbles seem to rarely break out.
    _______________

    Kaisak – welcome! Fights rarely break out because on this blog we have learned that we can have dissent in opinion without getting negative or disrespectful. I am a Hillary Democrat–have been a Democrat all my life. However, my opinion is just as welcome here as a Republican’s opinion. We have grown to be like a family . . . yes, we do have our occasional squabbles, but in the end, we respect each other and “agree to disagree”.

    As for the other point, sometimes we share our opinions or feelings, but most of the time we present hard facts after doing alot of research on our own. This site is heads and shoulders above for its caliber of commenters!

    As someone great once said, “ROSETTA GANG ROCKS!” Hehe!

  393. thinkingmom11 Says:

    JAC! ‘mornin’

    ++++++++++++++

    One of the new posters was wondering about the “team obama” article…I think we all decided it was NOT an Obama team reponse but just someone’s lame opinion…. Whoever it was is self discribed as such: “Student of social dynamics, especially as it relates to issues of race and sex.”

    I think Fox was a bit tired when she posted it as a Team Obama response because she is usually very reliable with her sources and is a valued member of this community. She is a democrat who LOVES Hilary Clinton – so don’t dis her Miss 😉

    jk – go ahead and dis her – Foxy can take it! hee hee

  394. Foxtrot Says:

    Pep Patty said: Al believes BO should produce a BC!— TM, Foxy, did you gals see this? Course you did! Wish I had been here, is all I can say!
    ____________________

    No, I did not see that! Wait, should I check to see if he$$ has frozen over? Al, welcome to the world of realtiy. Good for you!

  395. Foxtrot Says:

    One of the new posters was wondering about the “team obama” article…I think we all decided it was NOT an Obama team reponse but just someone’s lame opinion…. Whoever it was is self discribed as such: “Student of social dynamics, especially as it relates to issues of race and sex.”

    I think Fox was a bit tired when she posted it as a Team Obama response because she is usually very reliable with her sources and is a valued member of this community.
    _____________________

    Hello All. I stand by that post as it was from Citizen Wells. Citizen never posts anything unless he checks, rechecks, then checks again! I will try to see if he can give me a link for it. However, rest assured, if he said it was from “Team Obama” it IS from Team Obama! His research has never been refuted to my knowledge.

  396. thinkingmom11 Says:

    OK slider – before I read that – HOLY COW!! He is lookin’ ROUGH already. I know you have mentioned it before but I hadn’t seen any recent pix of His Majesty – I mean Bobama – (and, quite honestly I can’t look at him for too long or I get queasy) but – wow- lookin’ haggard so soon is not good…It acutally worries me – what does he know now that could be stressing him so badly? (besides the legal problems) Maybe he will welcome not being pres – looks like it may be a little tougher than he thought, maybe?

  397. hockeyfan530 Says:

    news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081207/pl_nm/us_usa_obama_smoking_3

    This is some real hard hitting investigative reporting here. LOL. The MSM is really getting to the truth about bambam.

    I’m being sarcastic of course because this little hard hitting piece is about
    bambam being asked if he was still smoking…of course bambam lied about it LOL

  398. sliderblaze Says:

    latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-citizen8-2008dec08,0,6500899.story

    emailed them on things they missed and questions they should be asking but of course, it IS the L A times

  399. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Foxy wrote: shown by their only requiring Presidents to have been residents in the United States for 14 years — meaning an eligible candidate born in the United States still could have resided under the jurisdiction of another country for 21 years or more; and even if the Framers WERE concerned about split loyalties, those were intended to be addressed on a “case by case basis” — and it would not be reasonable to conclude that Obama would have British loyalty since the British Citizenship conferred on him at birth was only “due to his biological relationship to an estranged and unfamiliar father.”

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I want to focus on this part about “due to his biological relationship to an estranged and unfamiliar father.”

    Many times an estranged parent has more emotional and psychological contol off an offspring than the parent or family who has raised them. The child often may imagine what it would be like if they only could live with the other parent. They feel a strong, if silent, loyalty to the estranged parent and that side of the family.

    Given that Stanley D. was fairly estranged from Obama in his adolescent years, I don’t think that his argument that he is more of an American citizen than British is a very good one! He certainly expressed and acted out his feelngs of estrangement and abandoment in his adolescense and in his college years.

    I think this as much admits that he is not a “natural born” US citizen! It is also only by Obama’s own word that he was estranged from his father. He certainly has expressed loyalties to “Gramma Sarah Obama” and the clan there. I think the man should be outed, and then ousted!

  400. Foxtrot Says:

    I agree Patty!

  401. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Well, slider, if we give the libs enough time they might rip him to shreds before he is even inaugurated!! What a bunch of jackals…

  402. sliderblaze Says:

    thats that intitlement mentality

  403. hockeyfan530 Says:

    on bambam fight the smears he says he had dual citizenship with Kenya. I think that he has done enough in Kenya to show that he may have a conflict of interest. The Odinga fiasco and his family in Kenya of course. And why is it that so many people in Kenya, to include the kenyan Ambassador, has stated that he was bambam was born in Kenya and STILL no one wants to demand to see his vaulted bc….this is pure silliness

  404. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    mom
    did you see the post fom last night about the muslim’s threatening Bo and US?

  405. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Foxtrot Says:

    December 8, 2008 at 2:36 pm
    Pep Patty said: Al believes BO should produce a BC!— TM, Foxy, did you gals see this? Course you did! Wish I had been here, is all I can say!
    ____________________

    No, I did not see that! Wait, should I check to see if he$$ has frozen over? Al, welcome to the world of realtiy. Good for you!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++
    Good morning, Foxy! I missed you guys this week-end. My husband and I were both very busy, so when we were home together it just didn’t seem fair for me to be online! Course, he was watching the football game between the Cowboys and the Giants. I was glad Pitts. won since three of hubby’s other teams lost yesterday! Hope your week-end was great!

  406. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Oh, and as cold as it is here this morn. it might be that he11 froze over!

  407. thinkingmom11 Says:

    As I was reading that politico article I found myself thinking “geez the guy isn’t even President- elect yet and y’all are already savaging YOUR OWN GUY! Give him a friggin’ break!” Which immediately caused me to wonder if there was something weird in my coffee or miniwheats. Then I realized, while I don’t like the guy personally or politically, my gereral nature is toward fairness and I do have a respect for the Office of the President. These libs are rabid, is all I can say. I don’t know if they could ever be happy even if Michael Moore was president (ew – that is gross).

  408. hockeyfan530 Says:

    ok, how sad is this:

    Last night i had a dream that i was talking to Mrs Bush, while she was in bed no less, so i said to her why don’t you have your husband demand that Obama show his bc. She told me to let it go it wasn’t an issue. Apparently, in my dream, i was some sort of republican insider because we were all sitting around a big table discussing how the republicans can get back on track. I said grow a pair. We should attack Obama on every front on every associations and not worried about being labelled racists. I was depressed for the entire dream

    LOL I really am thinking about this stuff way too much

  409. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    some reporters should not be allowed a pen or a keyboard
    prepare to get ticked

    newsday.com/news/opinion/ny-oppay085956814dec08,0,6660466.column

  410. hockeyfan530 Says:

    man that race thing IS infuriating! Why can’t they see that it has nothing to do with race! My god that is so frustrating. It shows their stupidity and their own self-centeredness. So we can’t question a black man? This is the most power position in the world and they can’t see past his race!? WOW!

  411. thinkingmom11 Says:

    JAC – I did see that. That is our biggest problem with the Middle East radicals. The “wild ones” (militant, extemist Muslims) are bound by there chosen path of faith to have a BIG problem with Obama. NO one was will to address this facet of his potential (don’t want to piss Troy off 🙂 ) presidency. If you are born a Muslim (and you are if your father is Muslim) then you are always a Muslim and to be apostate IS the worst crime out there. These are people who kill girls who are raped because they committed adultry!! for crying out loud! While we in our culture may not think someone’s religion is a big thing to those who would be our enemy – it it THE biggest thing. The two sides of this battle have compleletey different (I would say diametrically opposed) world views and until we understand that – we are in heap big trouble.

  412. ladyliberty Says:

    It’s after 10:00 …waiting, waiting …..where is the SCOTUS report

  413. jrinNC Says:

    Is Obama a Natural Born Citizen? – New conference at 1:30 – National Press Club

    //npc.press.org/calendar/caldbevent.cfm?eventid=16770

  414. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Ok – that does it for me. Help me come up with a term that discribes the “hatred and intolerance” of the media… Because I am not a racist but I am sure conjuring up some H&I for the media and journalists…

  415. jrinNC Says:

    oops – meant NEWS Conference

  416. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    TM you are just a good and decent person. There is nothing wrong with having convictions! It doesn’t change the foundational goodness of who we are as people.

  417. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Lady, sit on the groung, cross your legs, press gently your thumb and forefinger together. Rest the top of your hand on your knee. Take a deep, breath, and exhale. Try to relax your entire body as you exhale. Take in another deep breath, hold it for just a moment as you release the sound “oooooooohhhhhhhmmmmmm WHERE THE HELL IS THE SCOTUS REPORT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!” I works…really

  418. Foxtrot Says:

    I think if SCOTUS had to rule on whether or not ROSETTA GANG ROCKS, it would be a unanimous decision in our favor! Hehe!

  419. jc Says:

    It’s up. The case is denied.

  420. Foxtrot Says:

    Crap. ON what grounds?

  421. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    TM–FOX news just reported that the Tribune company which owns Chicago Tribune, Chicago Cubs, etc is facing bankruptcy. I think that is the second MSM announcing financial fall-out in the past two weeks!

    It seems that perhaps it was more the Conservative right that was reading these rags than what they thought–now that we aren’t buying their trash, it’s going where trash goes–in the compacter!

  422. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    grrr I think our county is ready for a black president,. I think we are ready for a woman president……. as long as they ARE qualified to be President..
    It just gets under my skin,.when are all lumped together as wingnuts and racist….

  423. Foxtrot Says:

    It was just Leo’s case they denied, correct?

  424. jrinNC Says:

    thinkingmom11 Says:
    December 8, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    Ok – that does it for me. Help me come up with a term that discribes the “hatred and intolerance” of the media… Because I am not a racist but I am sure conjuring up some H&I for the media and journalists…
    ==========================================
    How about abhorrent dogmatismists!!!!!!!

  425. jc Says:

    The application for stay addressed to Justice Thomas and referred to the Court is denied.
    Where do we go from here?

  426. Foxtrot Says:

    Well, at least we have the National Press Conference at 1:30 today! That should be well attended.

  427. ladyliberty Says:

    Where do you see that? I am not seeing that!

    Thinkingmom – I think my class of teenagers would laugh at me! LOL

    I don’t usually check this stuff at work, but I am too impatient and they are writing an essay. I can’t stay long – I just want an answer.

  428. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Thanks Pep. It was a little weird feeling a little defensive of the guy. Just my nature though…

  429. Foxtrot Says:

    jc – Just the application for the stay?

  430. thinkingmom11 Says:

    JR – can we shorten it to abhorrent dogs? LOL

  431. CJ Says:

    Everyone here is so well informed and I have learned alot and I thank all of you. One thing that is bothering me, is why more is not being made of Obama’s Indonesian life. Did he get adopted by Lolo and was his name offically changed to Barry Soetoro? It seems this would be a game changer if true, due to Obama not admitting to having two legal names during his lifetime and not acknowledging that he offically changed his name back to Obama at some point. It certainly would be a huge factor in the legality of all he has done since re: military draft, Senatorial win and POTUS eligibility. All the lawsuits currently focus on his birth and citizenship via his parentage, but what about all the rest ala the Indonesian episode? How hard can it be to find out if he was a citizen of Indonesia and an adopted son of Soetoro? I guess it’s pretty hard if the records ar sealed, but I bet the FBI or someone else like them knows the truth. Is it not a viable issue to persue for eligibility requirements? Why are the lawsuits ignoring this issue? The other issue that bugs me is the possible Logan act violations that no one has tried to push forward. I am outraged as a taxpayer that he used my money to campaign for Odinga in Kenya not very long ago. Where’s the investigation of those things? Non-existent. Thanks for any light that can be shed on these aspects of Obama’s continuous refusal to show he is an eligible candidate for any public office.

  432. jrinNC Says:

    MOM – Like that even better – LOL

  433. ladyliberty Says:

    Fox news just said it was denied.

  434. thinkingmom11 Says:

    http://www.supremecourtus.gov/orders/courtorders/120808zor.pdf

  435. thinkingmom11 Says:

    supremecourtus.gov/orders/courtorders/120808zor.pdf

  436. jc Says:

    The information is available on line at the SCOTUS blog. Today’s order. All is says is Donorio v Wells . The application for stay addressed to Justice Thomas and referred to the Court is denied.

    supremecourtus.gov/orders/courtorders/120808zor.pdf

  437. hockeyfan530 Says:

    i think our only hope now is to find undeniable proof that bambam is not eligible. His school records probably our best hope. I really think that he registered as a foreign student. The Kenyan bc. Adoption papers from Indonesia. It really seems there is more evidence leading to his Kenyan birth than his hawaiian birth. The only thing we have is bambam’s word on that and his sister claiming he was born in 2 different hospitals…both of which have no records of bambam’s mom being admitted to those hospitals

  438. ladyliberty Says:

    Thanks JC – must be looking in the wrong place.

    Well – back to molding the future minds of America with a conservative slant!

  439. hockeyfan530 Says:

    perhaps Linda Starr’s information is something we can use. Any clues as to when the info will be used?

  440. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    c u l8r ladylib

  441. CJ Says:

    World Net Daily just updated the denial. No comment on the case just denied.

  442. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Wasn’t it announced Fri. night by Leo that it was denied? Seems like it was around 10:00 Was that something else. Did I dream that. Seems like Leo thanked them so that he could move it quickly on to Supreme Court in DC? Please tell me I didn’t dream that! Maybe we are all dreaming! I also dreamed I missed my flight, and was driving my car to the airport, when I ran a red light, barely missed a dump truck creaming me, and then got slammed (actually, run over is a better description) by a tractor-trailer! Then, I was at the airport, and they were telling me I missed my flight. I kept telling them I couldnt’ have missed my flight, and that I couldn’t even be there because I was dead! Missing a flight shouldn’t matter if you are dead—oh no, unless it was the flight to heaven!

    I need some chocolate!

  443. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    there is still Cort’s case,…. and Orly is supposed to file today

  444. jc Says:

    Who is Linda Starr and what kind of information could she have?

  445. hockeyfan530 Says:

    at this point i don’t think even solid evidence against bambam would be enough. I really think that not enough people want to be informed and too many americans really don’t care about this country. Too selfish

  446. dixieinflorida Says:

    All I can say is damit, damit, damit

    In a brief order, the Court, as expected, turned aside a New Jersey voter’s plea for the Court to determine if President-elect Barack Obama was qualified to run for the White House — that is whether he was a “natural born citizen.” The stay application came in the case of Donofrio v. Wells, Secretary of State of New Jersey (08A407). This marked the second time in recent weeks for the Court to turn aside such a challenge; the first came on Nov. 3, in Berg v. Obama (08A391). The Court, in neither instance, gave reasons for turning down the applications.

  447. hockeyfan530 Says:

    jc,
    Linda Starr is connected with berg. She, at one point said bambam was not able to seal ALL of his records. So apparently she knows of some info that hasn’t been released yet

  448. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    be back a little later

  449. Foxtrot Says:

    CJ – I have long believed, as do many others, that it might not even matter if he was born in Hawaii (ducking now to avoid the glass vase being thrown at me). Even if he was born in Hawaii, (which I do NOT believe he was), if he was in fact adopted by his Indonesian Stepfather and then came back to the United States, he would have to take the oath of citizenship again, as Indonesia did not recognize dual citizenship. Therefore, he would have had to relinquish his U.S. citizenship as a child. You had to be an INdonesian citizen in order to attend school there. No one, as of yet, has provided an oath of citizenship when he re-entered the U.S. It goes further though, even if he DID take the oath of citizenship, it would only make him a “naturalized” citizen under the law anyway. Therefore, he would not be eligible for POTUS.

  450. jc Says:

    Berg’s case 08-570 was still on the SCOTUS docket this morning with an update I missed. Dec 1 2008 Motions for leave to file amicus brief filed by respondent Bill Anderson. Berg’s case is still alive. Are you saying Berg and Starr are not showing all their cards?

  451. Foxtrot Says:

    Yes, according to Berg’s assistant Lisa, and their “informant” Linda Starr, they have some blockbuster info that has not been revealed yet regarding Obama’s records. They won’t reveal it yet because they don’t want to give Obama a “head’s up” on it.

  452. Foxtrot Says:

    Somehow, they got their hands on something that Obama forgot to seal, that is supposed to blow this case out of the water. They seem very confident that SCOTUS will hear their case. I only hope SCOTUS doesn’t tell him he doesn’t have “standing”.

  453. Foxtrot Says:

    Be back later. Have to mail some Christmas packages to relatives!

  454. hockeyfan530 Says:

    oh, fox, i hope they have some VERY damning information that can’t be ignored. I really think it will take something miraculous to get people to look at this. Maybe bambam’s indonesian passport or his school records. Anything after the age of 18 that shows him as a fuzzy foreigner we know he is

  455. jrinNC Says:

    In my opinion this just about sums everything up:

    2 Timothy 3

    1This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

    2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

    3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

    4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

    5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

    7Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

    ….
    13But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

  456. jc Says:

    Foxtrot,
    Will the blockbuster info even be seen if the Justices don’t hear the case? Do they look at proof in the conference stage or must is go to oral arguements to present proof?

    Is anyone thinking Donofrio v Wells was not quite “ripe” enough since the electors have not cast their votes yet and they are not yet certified? Perhaps this is just wishful thinking? How is Cort’s case better and different than Leo’s?

  457. thinkingmom11 Says:

    If Berg and Starr are not showing all their cards they will have to reveal them someplace other than the Supreme Court. I don’t think they can introduce new evidence in a appeals court. They should take whatever information they have straight to the American people. The End. The court of public opinion is obviously far more powerful than the supreme court. (I didn’t cap. them on pupose – sticking my tongue out at them – neener neeener – ppffffftttt)

    Is Berg involved in this We the People presser?

  458. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Yes, JR, I’m in NC– that’s about how I sum it up too! Evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived.

    … it always amazes me that every chance he gets to say something important, to make a statement of truth–he fails! He is twisted up like a grape vine or worse, a snake!

  459. thinkingmom11 Says:

    dog⋅mat⋅ic   /dɔgˈmætɪk, dɒg-/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [dawg-mat-ik, dog-] Show IPA Pronunciation

    2. asserting opinions in a doctrinaire or arrogant manner; opinionated.

    I guess we can call the media the Media Dogs….works for me….

  460. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Well, guys, I gotta bug out for a while – will be lurking but I have to fill my son’s head with knowledge…Pep and JR – keep the faith! If anyone finds out if Leo or anyone else of interest is on any of the radio stations, could y’all please post it here? ‘preciate it ~Mom

  461. jc Says:

    Yes! It looks like Berg and Orly will be at the press conference this afternoon. Can we hope they will introduce their blockbuster info to the American people today?

  462. hockeyfan530 Says:

    if i were still in the military i would have to be a concientious objector. I would have too many doubts that bambam is who he says he is

  463. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Wouldn’t that be great jc! Anyone know if this presser will be online or anything?

  464. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    TM put lots of Constitutional foundational stuff in his head so that we have hope in the future generations! Have a good day. I’m going to make some peppermint fudge…and chocolate/pecan…and peanut butter-

    Hanging out here a few more minutes…have a good one TM!

  465. Troy Says:

    Leo’s case was denied

  466. jc Says:

    I can’t find any info on where to view this National Press Club event. Any ideas anyone?

  467. Obama Researcher Says:

    jc Says:

    December 8, 2008 at 3:28 pm
    Who is Linda Starr and what kind of information could she have?
    + + + + + + + + + +

    Linda Starr is a hero and Patriot. She talked about herself on the Internet where she pots. Apparently she is an expert on Bush and has been consulted on those writing books about Bush. I believe she will write a book on Bush after he is no longer president.

    She said he dug up some problems on Obama NBC qualifications and she asked Berg to pursue it. She said she has know Berg for some 10 years.

    NOTICE>>>>>>>

    Donofrio has been turned down by SCOTUS. This lawsuit is now officially ended. He will have to start over.

  468. rosettasister Says:

    Supreme Court Declines to Hear Obama Nationality Case

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/12/08/supreme_court_declines_to_hear.html

  469. jrinNC Says:

    Hey peppermint where in NC do you hail from?? I am on the coast.

  470. rosettasister Says:

    DONOFRIO, LEO C. V. WELLS, NJ SEC. OF STATE
    The application for stay addressed to Justice Thomas and
    referred to the Court is denied.

    http://www.supremecourtus.gov/orders/courtorders/120808zor.pdf

    Freeper Thread:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2144892/posts

  471. hockeyfan530 Says:

    what really sucks about this is the msm will probably report this as a victory and assume that he is eligible because the SC denied the case. It was definitely a victory for deceit but a giant step to the decline of this nation. Again, I’ve stated this before, but i will never vote again. There is no point to it. If the SC doesn’t care about the constitution what would i be voting for? When they decide not to protect the constitution this country is no longer the country of the founding fathers. It is no longer the country that was great because of the constitution.

  472. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    HI Jr,

    I’m in the west, near Asheville and Spruce Pine–looking Mt. Mitchell in my back door! I have lived in Wilmington area before too–loved it! I love crabbing and beach life. If it wasn’t for family (and hubby wants to live here!) then I would want to move to coastal living!

  473. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    I’m reposting this from above because no one answered: does anyone remember that this was announced Friday night?

    Wasn’t it announced Fri. night by Leo that it was denied? Seems like it was around 10:00 Was that something else. Did I dream that. Seems like Leo thanked them so that he could move it quickly on to Supreme Court in DC?

    Please tell me I didn’t dream that! Maybe we are all dreaming! I also dreamed I missed my flight, and was driving my car to the airport, when I ran a red light, barely missed a dump truck creaming me, and then got slammed (actually, run over is a better description) by a tractor-trailer! Then, I was at the airport, and they were telling me I missed my flight. I kept telling them I couldnt’ have missed my flight, and that I couldn’t even be there because I was dead! Missing a flight shouldn’t matter if you are dead—oh no, unless it was the flight to heaven!

    I need some chocolate!

  474. rosettasister Says:

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-obama-birth-certificate1dec08,0,7258812.story

    Freeper Thread:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2144905/posts

    To: Free America52
    Frmail just received:
    “The National Press Club has scheduled a news conference in the Murrow Building to discuss Obama’s citizenship at 1:30 PM today.
    Please let everyone know. I’m not sure on which cable channels it will be carried, if any, but it may be broadcast online in real-time. Normally, C-SPAN would carry it.”

    51 posted on Monday, December 08, 2008 8:59:12 AM by LucyT

    Polarik Comments:

    To: ckilmer
    This is an outright lie!!!!!

    Go to the Supreme Court website and search their docket and rulings. There are absolutely no actions taken on anything but two of Phil Berg’s requests.

    The first one was regarding Berg’s appeal of Souter’s denial of his request for a Writ of Certiori:

    http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08a391.htm

    Oct 31 2008 Application (08A391) for an injunction pending disposition of the petition for a writ of certiorari, submitted to Justice Souter. Nov 3 2008 Supplemental brief of applicant Philip J. Berg filed. Nov 3 2008 Application (08A391) denied by Justice Souter.

    The second one does not even involve Phil directly, as they are a waiver of right to appear in court filed by the Federal Election Commission, and a Motion for leave to prepare and file an Amicus brief by respondent Bill Anderson.

    http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08-570.htm

    Nov 18 2008 Waiver of right of respondents Federal Election Commission, et al. to respond filed. Dec 1 2008 Motion for leave to file amicus brief filed by respondent Bill Anderson.
    DO NOT BELIEVE ANYTHING THAT THE MSM TELLS YOU, ESPECIALLY THE CHICAGO TRIB!

    60 posted on Monday, December 08, 2008 9:11:59 AM by Polarik

  475. Al Says:

    Oh my Gosh, Al! Has Christmas come early. Now, admittedly, before I say anything, this is as far as I got in my catching up on posts, but I wish I would have been here yesterday for this! Al believes BO should produce a BC!— TM, Foxy, did you gals see this? Course you did! Wish I had been here, is all I can say!

    I did see something Al said about Bulls and their sperm–I know that Bull’s really don’t care about their sperm count– just the “cow” count! tsk. tsk.

    *************************************************************

    Susan, Susan, Susan–have purposely omitted the Ronald Reagan follow-up in respect of Foxy who has asked that I refrain…however, all I’m saying with my revelation that Mr. Obama should call for a press conference and share openly with the America people is I think such a good faith gesture would resolve this issue once and for all, thus removing any more doubt and suspicions. I think he at least owes the American people that much, Susan. He has said all along that he was born in Hawaii, a beautiful state within the United States…no one to date in Canada, Kenya, on the moon, etc. has ever disproved his claim. Once he shows proof maybe the country can unite and move forward to tackling the real challenges facing us right now, a sagging economy on life-support and ensuring victory abroad in the war zones…

    The bull sperm-count remark was in response to your question about why I was looking for a lost calf in the meadow when cows normally birth calves in the Spring–remember, the number one reason for late calves, Susan, is if and when the mating bull’s fertility “package” is firing below 75%, thus late calves. Casanova had better start beefing up soon–no pun intended–or his service contract will be null and void (for all the farmer gives, there still needs to be a full return within the overall equation).

  476. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    By the way, you can all feel FREE to admire my new hat– pure Titanium, anti-delusional, –pink– with lots of fluff! and sparkly!! and it has my Royal Title printed right on the side–case someone misses it, says PRINCESS!

    Feel free to admire it, but keep your fingers off of it…no fondling the fluff or the pom pom and no fingerprints on the pink titanium shine!

  477. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Hmmm, Al, seems like a lot of misfiring going on–must run in that Obama field–

    How’s Al today? Off to some secret mission with the herd?

    Was the little missing calf ok?

  478. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Rosie, what is Polarik referring to being a lie? Is he saying that Leo’s case was not denied, or is this in total reference to something else?

  479. hockeyfan530 Says:

    I don’t believe this. Just saw a commercial for an Obama collectors plate! I can only imagine the demand for that. Honestly, I really can see a bunch of bambamonites buying this crap. Man, this is going to be a long 4 years

  480. Al Says:

    Lol @ Susan’s witty sense of humor. Off to run an errand at the Post Office and retrieve soup and sandwiches for the office gang on the way back. Have a great Monday everyone. Safe travels.

  481. rosettasister Says:

    http://drorly.blogspot.com/2008/12/national-press-club-130-pm-december-8.html

    National Press Club, 1:30 PM December 8, 2008

    I will appear at a press conference

    http://npc.press.org/calendar/caldbevent.cfm?eventid=16770

    on this issue at 1:30 pm on December 8, 2008 at the National Press Club in Washington DC.

    Posted by Orly Taitz, DDS Esq. at 7:35 AM

  482. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    So, Al, how many cows work in the office with you? And, is there nothing but soup and sandwiches for the crew? Guess steak wouldn’t be a good idea huh?

    Inviting everyone to go by my site at
    \\ deliciouslycapricious.wordpress.com and enjoy my fav. song of the season. It’s in the second article from the top, in the second or third line of the article on my banana recipe. I guess it is not a new song, but it’s my new fav.

  483. peppermintpatty777 Says:

    Thank you Rose. This is what I was referring to:

    The California Supreme Court acted expeditiously and gave me the chance to file in the US Supreme Court as early as today (December 8, 2008)

    I wanted to thank the Justices of the Supreme Court of California and Chief Justice Ronald M. George for acting so expediently.Within two days the Justices have reviewed the case and entered their disposition on it today, on Friday night, at 9:53 PM. They have denied on my pleadings, which gives me an opportunity to file immediately in the Supreme Court of the United States. Supreme Court Justice assigned to our ninth circuit (includes CA) is an Honorable Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy.
    I have attached a wikipedia article about Honorable Judge Kennedy.
    Thank you again for all your support.
    Orly

    From the link above that Rose provided! I knew I didn’t dream that I read about a case being denied on Friday evening! Oops, hope that doesn’t make that “dream” real… well, that would mean that Rose’s blog exists in heaven…and my fav song, too. Course, that would also mean that the Obama thing is still a pain in heaven as it is on earth…

    Say it ain’t so, St. Peter!

  484. dixieinflorida Says:

    Foxtrot Says:
    December 8, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    Yes, according to Berg’s assistant Lisa, and their “informant” Linda Starr, they have some blockbuster info that has not been revealed yet regarding Obama’s records. They won’t reveal it yet because they don’t want to give Obama a “head’s up” on it.
    ******************
    Where did you get this info, from what I find it’s just blog rumors

  485. ddlew Says:

    Howzabout a new thread?

    🙂

  486. sdee Says:

    update from Leo

    naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2008/12/08/donofrio-application-denied-wrotnowski-application-still-pending/

  487. amy Says:

    Home for lunch.. Is anyone here attending the press club thingy?? If so, would you ask Berg what does it mean by Bill Anderson (PA talk radio host) filing for leave an amicus brief.. It says Bill anderson is a respondent.. respondent means defendent.. He isnt.. What is it about? I know an amicus brief can be filed only if accompanied by written consent of all parties in the suit, so Berg signed permission. I know that amicus means the case might affect people other than the parties involved. .. Anderson is a well-known democratic African _ American radio talk show host in Philadelphia who has been praised by dem congressman Chaka Fattah and dem mayor John Street. This cant be good news for Berg.

  488. Tenacity Says:

    Good Morning,
    Sorry for my absence yesterday. The only thing that I see posted RE: SC and Donofrio is a denial of the emergency stay that he filed. There is nothing regarding whether they will hear his case.

  489. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    hi Tenacity

  490. Tenacity Says:

    Morning Cindy,
    I wish Leo would post where he got the idea that his case was denied. All I see is the denial of his emergency stay.

  491. dixieinflorida Says:

    [UPDATE 12:23 PM The main stream media should stop saying SCOTUS refused to hear the case. It was distributed for conference on Nov. 19. They had the issue before them for for sixteen days. Yes, they didn’t take it to the next level of full briefs and oral argument. But they certainly heard the case and read the issues. The media is failing to acknowledge that. The case and issues were considered. Getting the case to the full Court for such consideration was my goal. I trust the Supreme Court had good reason to deny the application. Despite many attempts to stop their full review, my case was placed on their desks and into their minds. Please remember that. It’s important for history to record that.]

  492. Troy Says:

    It is official, the SCOTUS wiped the asses with the US Constitution….Now for a fair price we can all wipe our asses with it….Everyone should purchase a roll and send it to the SCOTUS with a letter that conveys your feelings on the justice’s decision to trample our constitution.

    It’s funny, I had this idea about a month ago and I’ll be darned if somebody didn’t do it….Brilliant!!!

    http//
    constitutiontp.com/ Have a look!!!!

  493. dixieinflorida Says:

    My application was denied. The Honorable Court chose not to state why.

    Wrotnowksi v. Connecticut Secretary of State is still pending as an emergency application resubmitted to the Honorable Associate Justice Antonin Scalia as of last Tuesday. I worked extensively on that application and it includes a more solid brief and a less treacherous lower Court procedural history.

    After six days, it’s interesting that Scalia neither denied it nor referred it to the full Court.

    My case may have suffered from the NJ Appellate Division Judge having incorrectly characterized my original suit as a “motion for leave to appeal” rather than the “direct appeal” that it actually was. On Nov. 21 I filed official Judicial misconduct charges with the NJ Supreme Court Advisory Committee on Judicial Conduct, and I updated SCOTUS about that by a letter which is part of SCOTUS Docket as of Nov. 22. The NJ Appellate Divison official case file is fraudulent.

    On the chance that SCOTUS was looking at both my case and Cort’s case, I must stress that Cort’s case does not have the same procedural hang up that mine does. It may be that without a decision on the Judicial misconduct allegation correcting the NJ Appellate Division case file, SCOTUS might have been in the position of not being able to hear my case as it would appear that my case was not before them on the proper procedural grounds.

    I did file a direct appeal under the proper NJ Court rules, but the lower Court judge refused to acknowledge that and if his fraudulent docketing was used by SCOTUS they would have a solid procedural basis to throw mine out.

    I don’t know if it’s significant that Cort’s case was not denied at the same time as mine. His case argues the same exact theory – that Obama is not a natural born citizen because he was a British citizen at birth.

    All eyes should now be closely watching US Supreme Court Docket No. 08A469, Wrotnowski v. Bysiewicz.

    If Cort’s application is also denied then the fat lady can sing. Until then, the same exact issue is before SCOTUS as was in my case. Cort’s application before SCOTUS incorporates all of the arguments and law in mine, but we improved on the arguments in Cort’s quite a bit as we had more time to prepare it.

    I was in a rush to get mine to SCOTUS before election day, which I did do on Nov. 3.

    Cort’s case has a much cleaner lower court procedural history.

    I’m not trying to play with people’s minds here. SCOTUS has not updated Cort’s docket and until they do there can be no closure. I was expecting, if they didn’t grant certiorari, that they would deny both cases at the same time so as to provide closure to the underlying issue. I hate to read tea leaves, but Cort’s application is still pending. That’s all we can really say with any certainty.

  494. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Troy

    lol at the toilet paper

  495. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    guess we are all waiting around to see if the media actually covers the press conference at 1:30

  496. Troy Says:

    Get your roll of Constitution right here:

    http//
    constitutiontp.com/

  497. ladyliberty Says:

    Hey,
    Does anyone know if Berg’s press conference will be covered anywhere? I am sure the MSM won’t cover it, but I thought maybe one of those independent minded internet news reporting agencies may. If anyone knows – please post link. Thanks.

  498. Tenacity Says:

    I checked the CSPAN schedule…nada.

    Dixie, I saw all of that, but I only say the emergency stay denial on the SC release.

  499. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    the judges did read the Leo’s filing,… I have a feeling they have read the others submitted too,…. I wouldn’t be surprised if they aren’t waiting for the strongest of cases before actually acting… to give them just cause

  500. rosettasister Says:

    New Thread:

    https://rosettasister.wordpress.com/2008/12/08/%e2%80%9cwhispering-campaign-questions-obamas-citizenship%e2%80%9d-by-andy-barr/

  501. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    ladylib

    Actually it’s not Burg’s press conference it’s from the “We the People” organization that ran the ad in the Chicago Tribune.

    Burg, Leo and Orly are supposed to be there.

    We don’t know who will be showing up and covering it

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