“A Brokered Peace” “Israelis and Palestinians seem to realize that a strong international presence will be critical to any deal.” By Kevin Peraino

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HEBRON, West Bank (Reuters) – Israeli police used teargas and clubs to evict dozens of hard-line Jewish settlers from a disputed building in the West Bank city of Hebron on Thursday after days of stone-throwing clashes with Palestinians.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/171747

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Israelis have traditionally scorned the idea of international peacekeepers intruding in their region. Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion once famously dismissed the U.N.—pronounced “Oom” in Hebrew—as “Oom, schmoom.” Arab leaders have also shown disdain: on the eve of the 1967 Six Day War, for example, Egypt’s Gamal Abdel Nasser peremptorily expelled 1,300 blue helmets from Sinai before rolling through. And Palestinians have feared that allowing an armed international force into their territory would infringe on the sovereignty of their incipient state.

It’s therefore striking that a recent proposal to deploy NATO forces in the West Bank as part of any Obama-era peace deal is quickly gaining advocates in both Washington and the Levant. Former U.S. national-security advisers Brent Scowcroft and Zbigniew Brzezinski both recently endorsed the idea. The president-elect’s nominee to head the National Security Council, Gen. James Jones—a former NATO supreme commander—is also said to favor such a force. Israelis and Palestinians have raised tepid protests, but even they seem to be realizing increasingly that a strong international presence will be critical if any deal is to be struck—and if it’s to stick. “A principle that appeared to be out of bounds I think is now in bounds,” says Tony Blair, the Mideast envoy of the Quartet (made up of the United States, the EU, the U.N. and Russia).

Negotiators have long struggled with a frustrating Catch-22: how to secure Palestinian areas under any future peace plan. Israelis argue that they can’t make a deal until Palestinian troops become competent enough to control militants. Palestinians, on the other hand, complain that they can’t do so until the Israelis withdraw. A robust international force, in principle, could solve that conundrum. A NATO contingent—and it would likely have to be NATO, since Israelis are skeptical of the United Nations—would reassure Israelis on security while freeing the Palestinians from their hated occupiers.

See also:

“Report: Obama advisors want NATO troops in West Bank”

http://www.maannews.net/en/index.php?opr=ShowDetails&ID=33699

Bethlehem – Ma’an/Agencies – US President-elect Barack Obama is considering a deployment of NATO forces to the West Bank as part of a plan for resolving the Israel-Palestine conflict, an American newsmagazine reported on Wednesday.

Former US-national security advisors Brent Scowcroft and Zbigniew Brzezinski reportedly endorsed the strategy in recent days. Meanwhile, Obama’s nominee to head the National Security Council, Gen. James Jones, apparently favors the idea, all according to Newsweek, a weekly American newsmagazine.

“A principle that appeared to be out of bounds I think is now in bounds,” said Tony Blair, the Middle East envoy from the International Quartet countries.

See also:

http://patdollard.com/2008/12/obama-advisors-want-nato-troops-in-west-bank/

“Obama, if he goes along with this, is an idiot and a one-term president for sure.”

jone0206

“Obama’s nominee to head the National Security Council, Gen. James Jones, apparently favors the idea.”

Phil Berg Barack Obama Ron Polarik Jeff Schreiber

223 Responses to ““A Brokered Peace” “Israelis and Palestinians seem to realize that a strong international presence will be critical to any deal.” By Kevin Peraino”

  1. Foxtrot Says:

    AOL’s Hot Search shows that “Obama Birth Records” is their #2 largest search!

    The word is getting out!! Hooray!!!!!!!

  2. Troy Says:

    Troy,

    It’s too bad you aren’t on the US Supreme Court, because maybe with your influence and understanding of “dual-citizenship” the other Justices would follow your lead and stay the presidential election.

    Al
    ————————————————————
    That is exactly what is going to happen….Prepare for it!!!
    The rest of us have.

  3. hockeyfan530 Says:

    fox,
    what is number 1? Palin’s shoe size? LOL

  4. Troy Says:

    fox,
    what is number 1? Palin’s shoe size? LOL
    ————————————————————-
    Lmaooo…I think it’s Britney Spears

  5. Foxtrot Says:

    Wow, Al, talk about a tin foil hat! Are you serious? He would have never even qualified for intelligence for the United States based on his father’s nationality, his stint in Indonesia, and his mother’s “radical” views. This I know to be true. My father and two of my brothers have uber high security clearances with the government. My family has long suspected that my father was a CIA agent while we were growing up in D.C. Almost everyone around us ended up being agents . . . even our mailman! My father wont’ talk about it but I remember being brought into the Pentagon as a very young girl, when no one else was in the house to watch me. My father would get these strange phone calls in the middle of the night and have to leave immediately. He travelled all around the world on business, etc. Anyway, I digress! The point is, even just one of the known elements about Obama and/or his parents would disqualify him from being a spy for the U.S.
    You might want to take off that tinfoil hat now. We are getting to you, Al! I can sense it! Come on, admit it, come on!

  6. oo12oo Says:

    thinkingmom11 Says:

    December 4, 2008 at 4:55 pm
    That is an absurd argument Al. We are supposed to vote on a candidate who is Constitutionally eligible to be president but the guy who wants us to vote for him wants to keep his eligiblity “private” we are just supposed to trust him??!! I don’t think so. A certain amount of privacy is given up when you enter public life. If he does not want to release private information that is vital to determining wether he is natural born and therefore eligible to be president then he shouldn’t have run. There was a resonable expectation that he would need to provide such information. He is a Constitutional scholar (he claims) and he should understand this.

    *************************************************************

    You make good/legitimate points, ThinkingMom’. It’s just my contention that President-elect Obama simply felt a responsibility to share his eligibilty requirements with those who need to know, and has also restricted access to those of us in the private sector don’t necessarily need to know. Yes, his decision has caused much despair and grief/suspicions, etc, but his personal thoughts may be it’s an invasion of his individual privacy to openly release his BC to the world. Please don’t be surprised if the US Supreme Court within the next 48hrs weigh in on protecting individual privacy.

    Al

    Al

  7. Foxtrot Says:

    Check out Blloomberg.com. They have posted today’s Chicago Tribune story on the cases before the SCOTUS

  8. Foxtrot Says:

    What about protecting our country, Al???????????
    ____________________________

    Please don’t be surprised if the US Supreme Court within the next 48hrs weigh in on protecting individual privacy.

    Al

  9. Foxtrot Says:

    “All that is necessary for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing” – Edmund Burke

    Here is your answer, Al, as to why we are doing what we are doing!

  10. Troy Says:

    Since when did Barack Oblowme become Pesident Elect?…Did I miss something?….He’s not even a senator anymore…He is simply, soon to be deported Obama or future inmate Obama.

  11. sdee Says:

    Leo corrects ABC
    naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2008/12/04/abc-news-gets-the-donofrio-scotus-story-wrong/

  12. Foxtrot Says:

    Okay, now this is friggin’ weird! How can there be no record of Obama? Not even in the census! Post from another blog.
    ________________________

    Census & Birth Records
    written by ScoobySleuth, December 04, 2008

    Hi everyone,

    Perhaps I can get some help here, as I have spent the last several hours trying to find any official record of Obama’s existence in all the genealogy and census websites and can’t find a darn thing. I found genealogy records for his mom and dad, but no references for him at all – no birth records, census records – nothing, nada…I’ve used Ancestry.com, the LDS websites, genealogy.com, USGen, etc. and have had no luck – maybe I’m not doing something right??? Can I get a few more people to do the same and let me know if they find anything? This makes me even more suspicious of this man – certainly there should be some official record out there – at the very least from the 1980, 1990, 2000 census?

  13. rosettasister Says:

    Polarik Comments at Free Republic

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2141341/posts

    To: JNL

    On the contrary, I did nothing of the kind. I said at the beginning of my final report, that I was letting my research speak for itself and that I would not be responding to any challenges. You may not have read that part since you’re new here.
    Listen, as this will be my final response to you, the only reason why I responded to what Krawetz said was because he posted it first on his own website, and then someone dragged it in here, so that was the exception.
    Basically, there are wonderful people here on this forum, and your characterization of them as “attack dogs” is disingenuous because they are here to learn from me, they speak for themselves, not for me, they testify as to the fidelity of my research, and do not have an axe to grind, which you most certainly do, so denying it would only reinforce that perception of you.
    You are certainly entitled to have an opinion, as is everyone else. But, the people on Free Republic have known me since June when I first began publishing my work on the birth certificate images. They have read all of my reports that I have subsequently published between then and now. The Final Report is a summary of four months of intensive, empirical research on Obama’s alleged COLB and on real COLB, that no one else on this planet has ever done.
    It is for that very reason that I’m not the one who falls back on his credentials. Krawetz does. I don’t. Credentials are meaningless when the person cannot even understand what is a COLB and how it is made. So, when someone who comes along fopllowing a fanfare of his credentials, and then spends maybe an hour or two coming up with all kinds of non sequiturs with a few ad hominem attacks thrown in for effect, the folks on here are smart enough to know the difference between what he did and what I did over four months. They have little patience for people who try to compare what is not comparable.
    If what I did does not resonate as being patently superior, in every way, to everything else that has ever been done, then there is nothing that I nor anyone else can possibly do or say to change that.
    You are no different than the dozens of others who have come on here before you, and who will surely come on after you. You can rant and rave to your hearts content, but there will not be a sympathetic ear listening.
    might I suggest you join a more suitable forum or blog where conjectures count as much as facts, and where IMHO’s are every bit as welcome as are the informed or expert variety.
    Peace be with you. i’ve got important work to do for the court cases for which I have sent my sworn Affidavits and testimony.
    If Dr. Krawetz feels as strongly about what he did as you do, then may I suggest that you encourage him to be a part of Obama’s defense team. There is nothing that I would enjoy more, than for Dr. K to take the stand, and to challenge my research where it really matters.
    Have a nice day.

    74 posted on Wednesday, December 03, 2008 4:55:16 PM by Polarik

    “Objections from Obama supporters on birth certificate story”

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2142402/posts

    To: ckilmer

    More garbage from reporters who still have their craniums stuck up the dranium.

    32 posted on Thursday, December 04, 2008 4:06:24 AM by Polarik

  14. oo12oo Says:

    Foxtrot Says:

    December 4, 2008 at 5:16 pm
    Wow, Al, talk about a tin foil hat! Are you serious? He would have never even qualified for intelligence for the United States based on his father’s nationality, his stint in Indonesia, and his mother’s “radical” views. This I know to be true. My father and two of my brothers have uber high security clearances with the government. My family has long suspected that my father was a CIA agent while we were growing up in D.C. Almost everyone around us ended up being agents . . . even our mailman! My father wont’ talk about it but I remember being brought into the Pentagon as a very young girl, when no one else was in the house to watch me. My father would get these strange phone calls in the middle of the night and have to leave immediately. He travelled all around the world on business, etc. Anyway, I digress! The point is, even just one of the known elements about Obama and/or his parents would disqualify him from being a spy for the U.S.
    You might want to take off that tinfoil hat now. We are getting to you, Al! I can sense it! Come on, admit it, come on!

    *************************************************************

    Foxy,

    First, thanks for sharing your personal revelations about how your own family stood ready in the service of our country to defend us from enemies abroad/at home, etc. Cheers!

    In all of your experiences in life so far, Foxy, Has there ever been times where you learned of something and your jaw simply dropped to the floor? Of course, there should have been a couple of times if not more, but my point here, Foxy, is don’t surprised to learn many years later (2048, 2060, etc.) that President-elect Barack Obama may have represented the United States of America in the past on a few deep-cover intelligence operations around the world.

    Ask yourself this question, Foxy: Would this seemingly pawn (Mr. Obama) have the world at his feet if the other influential pieces on the grand chess board didn’t put him in this position to be “the most powerful man in the world”? Please give it some thought and then consider the prospect that our President-elect has already been vetted and has already proven his allegiance many times over.

    Al

  15. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    AL

    bam bam visiting Pakistan in 1981?

    yeah wasn’t that in the time frame he was just a drug using college kid?

  16. oo12oo Says:

    Foxtrot Says:

    December 4, 2008 at 5:22 pm
    “All that is necessary for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing” – Edmund Burke

    Here is your answer, Al, as to why we are doing what we are doing!

    ************************************************************

    Your genuine love for your country is without question, Foxy. Please understand though that there may be a legitimate reason why anything pertaining to Mr. Obama has been sealed/closed. I’m sure when the time is right he can be more forthcoming. He at least owes the American people that much.

    Al

  17. Foxtrot Says:

    Of course I have been shocked in my life. Like when my rolly-polly, santa faced mail carrier was outed as a CIA operative. Or my next door neighbor was outed as a CIA agent who had a family who lived next door to us (two girls and a wife) and another family in Japan (with 2 sons). The shocks go on and on from my childhood. Growing up in D.C. was an experience unto itself. I think that is why I am so passionate about politics in general. The bug bit me at a very early age.

    Again though, having lived somewhere where virtually everyone you know works for the government in one capacity or another, I can tell you that Obama would not have passed the basic security clearance to be a spy for the CIA or FBI. I have been a part of countless “investigations” when friends or family applied to either agency and it is BRUTAL! They go back and interview elementary school teachers, old employers, family, friends, neighbors, they scrutinize your associations, clubs, etc. It is truly an all encompassing deal. He would not have passed the smell test. Trust me on this one, Al!

  18. Troy Says:

    Alfred,
    Just because your boy, Barry, created the ridiculous “Office of Pesident Elect” doesn’t make him so….He IS NOT PE, but yet you kep refering to him as the PE….Are you dense?

  19. j.b. Says:

    For all you anti-war, “We support the troops but not the war, bullsh!tters, below is an example of what your words do. They hurt innocent, law abiding citizens who simply keep the home fires burning while they pine for their loved ones to return home safe.

    I think at this time of year, while the fortunate have their families in tact, it is a good time for everyone to pray for our U.S soldiers safety and thank a soldier and his family.

    Send a card, some cookies, do something to show you really care they’re there.

    Okay, rant over, please read on………..I just recieved this e-mail from a friend whose husband is on his second tour of duty in Iraq

    Okay so I have to tell someone this…I actually tired to call you earlier about it. I was at Walmart this morning getting the stuff for the chex mix. I’m having a wonderful time shopping because its morning and no one is there. I go to the check out and I have this nice older (60ish) woman as the clerk. We start talking about the different kinds of chex mix I’m making and she seems really nice. She says you are going to have so much of this you will be eating it for months. So I just said, well actually I’m sending it to my husband in Iraq. So of course she asked the usual questions….when does he come back, how long you been married…that sort of stuff. So as I’m grabbing my last bags and putting them in the cart to leave she hands me my receipt and says thank you and please tell your husband we appreciate what he is doing EVEN IF WE DON’T AGREE WITH IT. I couldn’t even look at her again….I just thought how dare you. Maybe I’m over reacting about it, I know what Matt would say…..Fuck her..and forget about it. But by the time I got my $100 worth of chex mix in my car I was crying. So you appreciate that he is fighting for your stupid ass, but you don’t agree with it. I guess I just feel like if you haven’t been over there and seen what is going on with your own eyes…not the tv people…than who are you to say if we should or should not be over there. And whatever your opinion is, keep it to yourself….especially if it is to someone who has served or has a family member that serves.

    I just thought about you and how strong you are and able to stand up for yourself to other people. And how I was wishing that I would have been strong enough to look her in the eyes and say My husband is fighting for my freedom and I do agree with that. But instead it felt like I got punched in the stomach and I needed to get out of there before I started crying. Here is the kicker….the wall of the entry way where you come in/out is covered with pictures of soldiers from the Sioux Falls area. Its like a Hero wall for something. So here Walmart is displaying all these pictures of local soldiers that they supposedly appreciate, but they have an employee say something like that.

    Well thats my story. But now I know, I will never again say anything about Matt being in Iraq to someone I don’t know. That way I can prevent them from saying something stupid. I’m still so mad…I’m going to go running now and try to get rid of some of this anger.

    TTYL, ******

  20. Foxtrot Says:

    Troy, is there a reason you keep spelling “president” as “pesident”? Am I missing something? Do you mean “Pest-ident Elect”?

  21. Troy Says:

    Sorry, yes Pestident…don’t BUG me….LOL

  22. oo12oo Says:

    justanamericancindy4 Says:

    December 4, 2008 at 5:31 pm
    AL

    bam bam visiting Pakistan in 1981?

    yeah wasn’t that in the time frame he was just a drug using college kid?

    ************************************************************

    Hi Cindy,

    First, great blog and terrific pictures–absolutely awesome!

    I’m just a simpleminded farmhand, Cindy, but I have enough smarts to know that sometimes people (handlers for a younger Obama) purposely paint a picture to conceal what’s really beneath the surface. I’m not sure why Mr. Obama secured entrance into Pakistan in 1981 when no other American citizens could, but I’d wager big money that to pull such a feat off successfully one needs some very high placed, clever friends that would just assume remain in the dark shadows while the vital information they sought at that time could be successfully gleaned.

    Al

  23. Foxtrot Says:

    Good one, Troy!

  24. Foxtrot Says:

    Drudge Report has link to SCOTUS case tomorrow.
    Put the normal w w w. in front of the address.

    drudgereport.com/

    it is in the top right corner

    I am not a fan of the Drudge Report, as you might imagine, but at least they are covering this.

  25. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    AL

    ever think that with his admitted dual citizenship that he was able to travel to Pakistan under a foreign passport?……. meaning he did this of free choose and as an adult

  26. Troy Says:

    Hi Cindy,

    First, great blog and terrific pictures–absolutely awesome!

    I’m just a simpleminded farmhand, Cindy, but I have enough smarts to know that sometimes people (handlers for a younger Obama) purposely paint a picture to conceal what’s really beneath the surface. I’m not sure why Mr. Obama secured entrance into Pakistan in 1981 when no other American citizens could, but I’d wager big money that to pull such a feat off successfully one needs some very high placed, clever friends that would just assume remain in the dark shadows while the vital information they sought at that time could be successfully gleaned.

    Al
    ———————————————————–
    OMG…Pleeease!!!!….Did you ever think that maybe all he needed was his Indoneasian citizenship and Indo passport…Lmaooo

  27. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Fox

    I haven’t commented at Drudge but I have been rating the comments

    don’t want them spinning it as non support of the citizen issue

  28. Troy Says:

    I can just see the revelations…Obama ex CIA opperative, now soon to be Pestident…don’t BUG me!!

  29. j.b. Says:

    rosettasister Says:

    December 4, 2008 at 5:27 pm
    Polarik Comments at Free Republic

    .freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2141341/posts

    Ya just gotta love Polarik. I do! He is The Man. I love how he just tosses out there his need “to prepare for court cases. ” 🙂 Yee Haw and Whoo Hoo!

  30. rosettasister Says:

    “Whole Lotta Bloggin’ Goin’ On”

    http://smithfiles.com/2008/12/04/video-%E2%80%9Cwe-ain%E2%80%99t-rich-but-we-will-be-this-year%E2%80%9D/

    http://iluvsa.blogspot.com/2008/12/obamas-birth-certificate-fake.html

    http://mcnorman.wordpress.com/2008/12/04/pravda-has-obama-eligibility-questions/

    “Pravda raises Obama eligibility issue” “Other media outlets begin reporting concerns over president-elect’s citizenship status”

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=82647

    http://adlynmorrison.blogspot.com/2008/12/thank-you-thursdays-black-puritans-also.html

    http://fredanderson.blogspot.com/2008/12/obama-forgery-exposed-dr-polarik.html

    http://tedmathis.blogspot.com/2008/11/why-doesnt-obama-cough-up-goods.html

    http://threshinggrain.blogspot.com/2008/12/drudge-report-posts-scotus-obama-news.html

    http://hoosiersoapbox.blogspot.com/2008/12/demands-for-proof-still-being-made-in.html

  31. oo12oo Says:

    Foxtrot Says:

    December 4, 2008 at 5:35 pm
    Of course I have been shocked in my life. Like when my rolly-polly, santa faced mail carrier was outed as a CIA operative. Or my next door neighbor was outed as a CIA agent who had a family who lived next door to us (two girls and a wife) and another family in Japan (with 2 sons). The shocks go on and on from my childhood. Growing up in D.C. was an experience unto itself. I think that is why I am so passionate about politics in general. The bug bit me at a very early age.

    Again though, having lived somewhere where virtually everyone you know works for the government in one capacity or another, I can tell you that Obama would not have passed the basic security clearance to be a spy for the CIA or FBI. I have been a part of countless “investigations” when friends or family applied to either agency and it is BRUTAL! They go back and interview elementary school teachers, old employers, family, friends, neighbors, they scrutinize your associations, clubs, etc. It is truly an all encompassing deal. He would not have passed the smell test. Trust me on this one, Al!

    *************************************************************

    Again, Foxy, your life reads like a Who’s Who of Genuine All-American Patriots…

    In honor of Troy, I’ll simply write Mr. Obama in any further exchanges. So, here goes, Foxy. It may not be before 2048, 2060 or even at all if his daughters are seeking public office, but please don’t be surprised that someone within the intelligence community may have recruited Mr. Obama from Columbia University to perform initially some low-level missions that wouldn’t require a “smell-test”, but after something major goes down in Pakistan let’s say, the intelligence communities leaped upon Mr. Obama’s background travels since his birth and develop/devise a clever way to get him past the Pakistan border in order to glean highly sensitive intelligence vital to the security and safety of the US. Mr. Obama performs bravely and the rest is history. They say “truth is stranger than fiction”, Foxy.

    Al

  32. rosettasister Says:

    Found at TexasDarlin

    http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/12/03/now-thats-a-coat/

    d2d on December 4, 2008 at 12:28 pm

    DKW – unbelievable! An actual article posted on Drudge about eligibility. Who woulda thunk it! And the article has 606 comments already. Wow!

    Maybe the dam is breaking and the topic can no longer be ignored by the fourth estate; especially since there has been a growing ground swell demanding proof of eligibility.

    And then to learn Berg’s “Petition for Writ of Certiorari would be distributed to all nine (9) Justices and a conference should be set within ten (10) days” (http://obamacrimes.com) shows a sliver of promise.

    I read over at Atlas Shrugs that Barry has spent a whopping $500k on lawyers to fight the suit(s). That’s a lot of money to be shelling out if you have nothing to hide.

    Judah – I am growing anxious to read your new post about Barry, his citizenship and your educated guesses about what Barry is truly trying to hide from the public with regards to release of his vaulted B.C.

  33. Foxtrot Says:

    Al, who are you and what do you do for a living? (If I may ask?)

  34. oo12oo Says:

    OMG…Pleeease!!!!….Did you ever think that maybe all he needed was his Indoneasian citizenship and Indo passport…Lmaooo

    *************************************************************

    That’s the point altogether, Cindy. Exactly the point altogether. The US intelligence community sets the trip in motion using fake Indonesian passports in order to get pass the Pakistani border–so, it’s not so much that Mr. Obama is Indonesian as much as the US intelligence community will not share their involvement/tactics openly with our foreign enemies…time will bear all of this out, but for now more highly sensitive matters pertaining to “National Security” may have to be hidden until such time the sensitive information is no longer important in the overall scheme of things. They say “truth is sometimes stranger than fiction”.

    Al

  35. Foxtrot Says:

    Al, you have been reading too many spy novels!

  36. Foxtrot Says:

    Al is soooooo pulling our leg!

  37. saveusa1 Says:

    The article Drudge links to is the Houston Chronicle, which is a reprint of the Chicago Tribune article. Finally some national coverage…

  38. Troy Says:

    Now why would he need a fake Indo passport when he had a perfectly legitimate one.?

  39. oo12oo Says:

    Foxtrot Says:

    December 4, 2008 at 5:56 pm
    Al, who are you and what do you do for a living? (If I may ask?)

    *************************************************************

    Foxy,

    I’m a simpleminded farmhand who fears God and love my country, who seeks the truth wherever it may lead…

    You care to answer the same question, Foxy? I’ll understand if you would rather abstain than lie to protect the truth. Peace.

    Al

  40. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Bam bam even if elected will only be a one termer…. this issue will always haunt him if not resolved. ..every decision questioned…. if I was an official I would hesitate to get him to sign a law that would be voided if he is removed.
    Bam bam will not be able to rule…….opps I mean govern properly 🙂
    Plus the MSM eventually turns on everyone, and when they do all the worms will wiggle out of the can

  41. Foxtrot Says:

    **(Giving a high five to Troy!)**

  42. Troy Says:

    Al,
    Have you ever considered that maybe has was recruited by Ayers, Auchi and others?…Highly more likely!!!

  43. saveusa1 Says:

    Obama citizenship story #8 in Alexa hot url’s

  44. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Al

    passing you a shiny special tin foil hat

    wow,…. and you think the things we believe are reaching

  45. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    dang it……. someone posted a time line website of bam bam ..think it was at API…..wish I would of kept it….

    I knew when I was reading it, it struck me as funny weird,… how everything changed so much after that visit t Pakistan

  46. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    god I love eispell …… catches most of my typos

  47. Foxtrot Says:

    Al, you are no farmhand!

    As for me, I have already stated some of my background. My first career was an emergency room nurse. I then went back to school and got two more degrees. I was a Political Campaign consultant for the Democratic Party in three states. I ran political campaigns for Democratic candidates only, as that is where my heart lies—with the Democratic Party principles. I got to the point where my reputation in the party allowed me to pick and choose what races I wanted to take. I managed races from State House and State Senate, to Gubernatorial, to U.S. House races. It was an exhausting and exciting job. I did this for 12 years. It was 100 hours a week, with very little sleep, but I loved it. (Good thing, genetically, I only require 1-3 hours of sleep a night!) I was also a part of two states Executive Committees for the Democratic Party and was the youngest one to ever sit on the board in one state. I have worked extensively with the DNC in the past and still have many friends in “in the know” positions there. Again, politics is in my blood!

    I now am a freelance writer, mostly comedic short stories, for an international publication. I am a community activist and sit on 5 Boards in my community—trying to make a difference and give back to the community. We are in a financial position where I can do this, and being someone who was raised with an incredible sense of giving back to the community, I am happy to be at this stage of my life. I am married to a wonderful man who is a CEO of a multimillion dollar company, and have three daughters.

    There, now you have it!

  48. oo12oo Says:

    Foxtrot Says:

    December 4, 2008 at 6:10 pm
    Al, you are no farmhand!

    As for me, I have already stated some of my background. My first career was an emergency room nurse. I then went back to school and got two more degrees. I was a Political Campaign consultant for the Democratic Party in three states. I ran political campaigns for Democratic candidates only, as that is where my heart lies—with the Democratic Party principles. I got to the point where my reputation in the party allowed me to pick and choose what races I wanted to take. I managed races from State House and State Senate, to Gubernatorial, to U.S. House races. It was an exhausting and exciting job. I did this for 12 years. It was 100 hours a week, with very little sleep, but I loved it. (Good thing, genetically, I only require 1-3 hours of sleep a night!) I was also a part of two states Executive Committees for the Democratic Party and was the youngest one to ever sit on the board in one state. I have worked extensively with the DNC in the past and still have many friends in “in the know” positions there. Again, politics is in my blood!

    I now am a freelance writer, mostly comedic short stories, for an international publication. I am a community activist and sit on 5 Boards in my community—trying to make a difference and give back to the community. We are in a financial position where I can do this, and being someone who was raised with an incredible sense of giving back to the community, I am happy to be at this stage of my life. I am married to a wonderful man who is a CEO of a multimillion dollar company, and have three daughters.

    There, now you have it!

    *************************************************************
    Wow, raising a toast to a life well-lived…Bravo!

  49. Foxtrot Says:

    Even if your comment was meant as sarcasm . . . you are right, my life has been well lived! No regrets. After this spring, I will have travelled to 6 of the 7 continents with my husband and my girls. I have climbed the Great Wall of China, stood on the Pyramids of Egypt, climbed the mountain to Macchu Picchu in Peru, stood at the Acropolis, gone to the top of the Eiffel Tower, kissed the Blarney Stone, stood at Stone Henge, etc, Etc. If I die tomorrow, I know my life would have been full and blessed!

  50. Troy Says:

    I am a young CIA operative and soon to be future president.

  51. Foxtrot Says:

    Interesting article. Put the normal H T T P:/ / in front.

    james4america.wordpress.com/2008/12/04/justice-clarence-thomas-made-rare-move-in-putting-obama-citizenship-case-on-conference-agenda/

  52. Foxtrot Says:

    Troy LOL!!!!!!!!! You crack me up!

  53. Troy Says:

    Hehehe

  54. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Good God,….. Alabama is going to have a vote about having an Obama Day

    ____ one word

    puke

  55. Foxtrot Says:

    JAC – these people better hold off! We know what is coming!

  56. oo12oo Says:

    Foxtrot Says:

    December 4, 2008 at 6:17 pm
    Even if your comment was meant as sarcasm . . . you are right, my life has been well lived! No regrets. After this spring, I will have travelled to 6 of the 7 continents with my husband and my girls. I have climbed the Great Wall of China, stood on the Pyramids of Egypt, climbed the mountain to Macchu Picchu in Peru, stood at the Acropolis, gone to the top of the Eiffel Tower, kissed the Blarney Stone, stood at Stone Henge, etc, Etc. If I die tomorrow, I know my life would have been full and blessed!

    *************************************************************

    With as much sincerity as before in my initial post, Foxy, BRAVO!!! If you are indicative of some of the people that grew up in and/or still live in Washington, DC then that’s a hugh plus for Washington’s image, Foxy. May the US Supreme Court make a ruling on Friday that you can live with, but remember this if nothing else: The pawn only serve at the discretion of the King. Peace. bbl

    Al

  57. Mia Says:

    Silly me. I thought the Supreme Court cases would simply be dismissed as no big deal by the msm and Obama people. Obviously not. We’re supposed to believe that he has actually been working undercover in the best interests of our national security – or something like that- and that’s why he can’t produce the necessary valid legal docs to prove his eligibility. I guess it would blow his carefully crafted cover.

    It’s been fun – and I thank you all for that! – but I have work awaiting me…

  58. dixieinflorida Says:

    Foxtrot Says:
    December 4, 2008 at 5:43 pm

    Drudge Report has link to SCOTUS case tomorrow.
    Put the normal w w w. in front of the address.

    drudgereport.com/

    it is in the top right corner

    I am not a fan of the Drudge Report, as you might imagine, but at least they are covering this.
    ******************
    Well some of the Obots use Drudge as a source at times especially if it’s against the conservatives so maybe some of them will read it.

  59. rosettasister Says:

    Not sure if someone already posted:

    “Barack Obama And The Trojan Horse Presidency”

    By Joan Swirsky, For The Bulletin
    12/04/2008

    http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cfm?newsid=20213315&BRD=2737&PAG=461&dept_id=576361&rfi=8

  60. Foxtrot Says:

    Al, the Supreme Court has no “king”. They answer to no one. They have lifelong appointments for a reason. They are protected. You need to get that through your head. Maybe take off the tinfoil hat so the information can flow more easily. (hehe!) 😉

  61. dixieinflorida Says:

    justanamericancindy4 Says:
    December 4, 2008 at 6:24 pm

    Good God,….. Alabama is going to have a vote about having an Obama Day

    ____ one word

    puke
    *************
    My sentiments exactly since we already have a President’s Day and an MLK day and whatever else days we have. Bad enough we have to put up with MLK day.

  62. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Fox

    I read that article you linked….. Friday could be very good for us or very bad….. and if it’s bad we might be at a dead end

    Justice Thomas may believe that the matter should be heard, or he may have done this as a means of getting the Justices en masse to deny Donofrio’s case. Either way, his action is rare among the Justices.

  63. dixieinflorida Says:

    BTW what else ticks me off is that FOX reported this and it has been voted in, but they won’t report on all these lawsuits or even push the issue of the BC and one of my Senators had the nerve to write me back and say the voters vetted him when he was elected. Grrrrrrrr if that’s the case then why don’t we have standing in the courts?

  64. Foxtrot Says:

    Dixiein florida_
    Bad enough we have to put up with MLK day.
    ____________________

    Ooooooooooooh Dixie, thems fightin’ words! I still cry when I hear the “I have a Dream” speech. Very powerful!

  65. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    MLK just wanted equality and was right to do so….

    he was sadly considered radical for that time in history…

  66. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    tick tock I can heard the clock

    WAKE UP……..lol it’s too quiet in here 🙂

  67. Foxtrot Says:

    JAC – just ran to make a sandwich! lol!

  68. oo12oo Says:

    Foxtrot Says:

    December 4, 2008 at 6:30 pm
    Al, the Supreme Court has no “king”. They answer to no one. They have lifelong appointments for a reason. They are protected. You need to get that through your head. Maybe take off the tinfoil hat so the information can flow more easily. (hehe!)

    ************************************************************

    Okay, Foxy, I’m crying uncle here. You win for now, but here’s my last post until later. Have you ever heard of the following: “The State Secrets Privilege”? I trust that you have given your impeccable background, Foxy.

    “The State Secrets Privilege is an absolute evidentiary privilege that enables the Government to withhold information in litigation where its disclosure, or risk of disclosure, in the litigation process would cause serious damage to the national security or foreign policy interests of the United States”

    Soooo, IF Mr. Obama has had any past dealings with the US intelligence communities…

    Thanks for the tin-foil hat ’cause a wintry mix is picking up outside the window and the cows need to be herded back into the warmth of the barn.
    Have a wonderful day, Foxy. Peace.

    Al

  69. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Off the phone……. anything new?

  70. Foxtrot Says:

    Al, my parents best friends were farmers in Maryland when I was growing up. Cows are rarely brought into the barn. Again I ask . . . what do you do for a living? You are no “cowhand”!

  71. sliderblaze Says:

    foxnews.com/story/0,2933,461747,00.html

    this is why there is no faith in the justice system, this dude shoulda got probation, some of my friends got caught with drugs and an Ak-47 and he only got 5 yrs, 2nd offense,

    this poor guy had no drugs, no weapons, first offense, college student, just introducing two people. WOW.

  72. sliderblaze Says:

    and got 3 life sentences….

  73. sdee Says:

    Cindy, you asked about a timeline. Here is one:

    colony14.net/id41.html

  74. Foxtrot Says:

    Al, also known as SOI (Secrets of INformation). Bush has abused/invoked this more than any other President or entity in U.S. history. Yes, I am familiar with it.

    However, unless you know something definitively that I don’t about Obama being a spy, it doesn’t apply here.

  75. hockeyfan530 Says:

    Al,

    you are silly. I suppose all of Obama’s anti-american associations were also part of the ruse? LOL And his campaigning for Odinga who later murdered non-supporters was a stroke of pure genius! Just funnin’ with ya but please. We have a fact that Obama was born with dual citizenship. I think Obama is being controlled alright. But not by our government. I’m think great folks like Ayers, Soros and the Wrights and Farrakahns of the world

  76. Foxtrot Says:

    Hockeyfan said: I think Obama is being controlled alright. But not by our government. I’m think great folks like Ayers, Soros and the Wrights and Farrakahns of the world

    ________________________

    Or worse, Hockeyfan!

  77. Foxtrot Says:

    This goes to Troy’s argument, and Leo’s for that matter!
    ______________________

    7 FAM 1116.1-4 Not Included in the Meaning of “In the United States”

    (TL:CON-64; 11-30-95)

    a. A U.S.-registered or documented ship on the high seas or in the exclusive economic zone is not considered to be part of the United States. A child born on such a vessel does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of the place of birth (Lam Mow v. Nagle, 24 F.2d 316 (9th Cir., 192).

    b. A U.S.-registered aircraft outside U.S. airspace is not considered to be part of U.S. territory. A child born on such an aircraft outside U.S. airspace does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of the place of birth.

    c. Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth.

    No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President — The Constitution of the United States, Article II Section 1

  78. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    THANKS sdee

  79. Foxtrot Says:

    Sooooooooooo . . . a priest, a rabbi and a minister went into this bar

  80. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Fox

    as far as bam bam’s mother traveling during the late stages of her Pregnancy….. we always took the approach that it was a commercial airline…… but a private plane could of been used

  81. Foxtrot Says:

    She didn’t have money to fly on a private plane. She was 18 and broke and her husband didn’t appear to have much money either. They were very strict about late stage pregnant women flying all around the world at that time. Even today there are some airlines that will not permit it due to liability issues.

  82. sliderblaze Says:

    Fox, hopefully it wasnt a bar at the Taj!!!!!

  83. Foxtrot Says:

    Link to the government of Hawaii website that shows how you can be a Kenyan and still have a Certification of Live Birth. Certification of Live birth documents are irrelevant.

    A Certification of Live Birth is not a legal document and is explained on this State of Hawaii Department of Hawaiian Home Lands website.

    “In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.”

    Put the h t t p: // in front of this link below.

    hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl

    look under the bullet that says “Your biological mother’s parents.”

  84. hockeyfan530 Says:

    OK, let me get this straight Obama was NOT born in a manger?

  85. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Note that Indonesian passports expire every five years. If Obama became a citizen of Indonesia through adoption by Lolo Soetoro in 1967 and was then issued a passport, by 1982 he would need to again renew the document. Obama turned age 18 in 1979. If he renewed his Indonesian passport at any point after his 18th birthday, Obama would have officially lost U.S. citizenship – if he even still had it – according to 8 USC Sections 1481(a)(2) and 101(a)(1), because of “…taking an oath or making allegiance or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state… after having attained the age of 18.”

  86. sliderblaze Says:

    Fan, some would say it is so….shocking i know

  87. rosettasister Says:

    File This Under: What Were They Thinking?!

    Israel says no NATO troops in ‘West Bank’

    http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=178&nid=17678

    Senior Israeli defense officials on Tuesday told The Jerusalem Post that they firmly oppose any plan to insert NATO peacekeepers into Judea and Samaria (the so-called “West Bank”).

    The remarks came less than a day after US President-elect Barack Obama announced General (ret.) James Jones as his national security advisor.
    Jones, a former NATO commander, most recently served as special US security envoy to Israel and the Palestinian Authority, a position he used to put forward his plan of deploying NATO peacekeepers to the area.

    Israeli officials noted that every time the international community has deployed peacekeepers in the Israeli-Arab conflict, terrorism has increased as the Israeli army’s operational freedom decreased.

    One officer explained that “there is a need for continuous combat, and NATO will not want to endanger its soldiers on behalf of Israeli citizens.”

    See also:

    “Analysis: Obama sounding similar to Bush on foreign policy”

    http://www.jewishjournal.com/united_states/article/analysis_obama_sounding_similar_to_bush_on_foreign_policy_20081203/

    EXCERPT

    Another of Obama’s picks, Gen. James Jones for national security adviser, also implies an interest in carrying over Bush administration efforts to build a Palestinian security infrastructure. Jones, a former NATO commander, most recently monitored Palestinian and Israeli compliance with peace deals, with special attention paid to the creation of a Palestinian police force.

    Jones was tough with both sides during his tenure, but his appointment has raised eyebrows in Israel. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice refuses to authorize the release of a report in which he reportedly slams Israel for hampering Palestinian Authority security training.

    During his NATO stint, Jones was known as friendly to Israel’s regional interests. The Israeli concerns about his appointment are the result of Israel having been “treated gently” during the Bush administration, Lewis said, and eventually will pass.

    “Anytime you ask the Israelis to do something they don’t want to do, they’re resentful; it’s nothing other than normal business,” Lewis said. “After eight years of the Israelis being treated very gently, the contrast was probably annoying to them. He’s a balanced guy, and that’s what you need.”

    Shoshana Bryen, director of special projects for the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs, said the Jones appointment was reassuring because it signaled another consistency with the presidency: Its second-term deference to experienced military opinion.

    “Picking a Marine for almost anything is a good pick,” said Bryen, whose organization cultivates close relations with all branches of the U.S. military. “He has the background to talk about military priorities in Afghanistan, in Iraq.”

  88. Troy Says:

    Foxtrot posted this:

    No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President — The Constitution of the United States, Article II Section 1
    ————————————————————-
    Hey Foxy,
    Thanks for the back-up, but you made a single mistake when you quoted Article II Section I….The way you wrote it is the way it needs to read to be absolutely clear as to intent….The framers made a mistake in punctuation and placed a comma after the word “States”…When they did this it caused the entire first sentence to be un comprehendable….This is a side project that I am working on incase this is to be brought up in court.

    Here is how it is actually written with the mistake:

    No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;

    Now it doesn’t read as clearly does it?

    When Michigan first drafted and wrote their Constitution they made a similar mistake that made slavery legal….That was not their intention and they changed it by removing a single comma and placing it in a different place within the same sentence…They did not have to change a single word….The new change made slavery illegal.

    Did you know that to change even a comma, it takes the full ammendment process?

  89. Foxtrot Says:

    Hockeyfan, we already established he might have been, at least if you talk to an Obamanut! hehe!

    As for your post JAC, why do you think he ordered that all his Indonesian records be sealed within their government? Also, he ordered them to be sealed in Kenya as well and their government has gone on record stating they were sealed. What would need to be sealed if he were not born in Kenya? Think about it. What else would Barack have in Kenya, as a record, that would need to be sealed? It doesn’t take a genius to figure that one out! If he was not born there, he would have no record to seal!

  90. Foxtrot Says:

    Thanks Troy for the insight. And yes, I can believe it would take an amendment to change a comma, especially if that punctutation changes the intent of the wording.

  91. Foxtrot Says:

    Oops, added an extra “t” in punctuation. Not good for a former national spelling bee champion!

  92. hockeyfan530 Says:

    Oh good, the comma discussion again LOL

    I think the comma after States is a further classification of “or a Citizen of the United States”. I don’t think the meaning is changed by this particular comment

  93. hockeyfan530 Says:

    that should be by this particular comma…not comment

  94. Troy Says:

    Foxtrot Says:

    December 4, 2008 at 7:39 pm
    Oops, added an extra “t” in punctuation. Not good for a former national spelling bee champion!
    ——————————————————–
    Hehehe….don’t BUG me

  95. Foxtrot Says:

    Gotta lay down for a bit. Feeling a little nauseous.

  96. Foxtrot Says:

    Troy, that makes absolutely no sense! LOL!

  97. Troy Says:

    hockeyfan530 Says:

    December 4, 2008 at 7:40 pm
    Oh good, the comma discussion again LOL

    I think the comma after States is a further classification of “or a Citizen of the United States”. I don’t think the meaning is changed by this particular comment
    ————————————————————
    The meaning isn’t changed…It’s made unclear and blurred

  98. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Fox

    take it easy……. hope you feel better

  99. Troy Says:

    Foxtrot Says:

    December 4, 2008 at 7:47 pm
    Troy, that makes absolutely no sense! LOL!
    ———————————————————-
    It makes all the sense in the world….you simply aren’t getting it

  100. Cyndi Says:

    Hi everyone my internet service is really screwed up. So I haven’t been posting, and havne’t been able to get to any sites. But am occasionally lucky enough to get here.

    Al,
    Are you thinking that Obama was placed in this position of President because of National Security? Are you also thinking that his connections with all the radicals could be due to him being in the CIA or an informant to the CIA? I had read in an article that his mother was in the CIA working in the banking industry. You seem to me to be a kind person, as to what I have read so far. You don’t come across to me to as an Obot. I think I am confused.

  101. j.b. Says:

    …..and the reason OLiar had to forge his SSR (in 2008 mind you) is because he NEVER received an application from the gubment. Why Not? Because…….. He Is/Was Not A Citizen!

  102. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Cyndi
    AL is a Mountain Sage person…….. does that explain anything?

    you never know for sure when he is serious, sarcastic,… or just seeing how we will react

  103. Troy Says:

    j.b. Says:

    December 4, 2008 at 7:51 pm
    …..and the reason OLiar had to forge his SSR (in 2008 mind you) is because he NEVER received an application from the gubment. Why Not? Because…….. He Is/Was Not A Citizen!
    ————————————————————
    BINGO!!!!…..Ding, Ding, Ding!!!!!

  104. Cyndi Says:

    Ok, thank you Cindy, I think you might have mentioned to me about Al before I just forgot, my brain is having a hard time remembering things lately.

    Do any of you know anything about the Fair Access Policy, concerning internet usage? I lost internet service 2 days ago. Sometimes I have service but usually not more than 15 min. at a time. This is so frustrating!

  105. oo12oo Says:

    Foxtrot Says:

    December 4, 2008 at 7:02 pm
    Al, my parents best friends were farmers in Maryland when I was growing up. Cows are rarely brought into the barn. Again I ask . . . what do you do for a living? You are no “cowhand”!

    *************************************************************

    Foxy, Foxy, Foxy, with apologies to President Ronald Reagan, “there you go again”. Wondering aloud if you and Susan may have been separated at birth, but that’s highly unlikely since you both are accomplished woman in both your own respective rights. However, Foxy, with all due respect to the farming community in the state of Maryland, here in Eden, NY the decent thing to do is to bring them in from the harsh elements looming over Lake Erie. Maryland I believe is a much warmer climate, Is it not, Foxy?

    Al

  106. j.b. Says:

    Hannity is finally talking about it! Now.

  107. hockeyfan530 Says:

    jb
    is hannity for it or against it. Most of them say it’s a dead end.

  108. Foxtrot Says:

    Al, checking in for a moment. I moved to Minnesota when I was 15 and even THEY didn’t bring their cows into the barns! Their climate is more harsh then yours in NY. I will say it again. . . you are no “cowhand”! What do you do really?

  109. oo12oo Says:

    Cyndi Says:

    December 4, 2008 at 7:51 pm
    Hi everyone my internet service is really screwed up. So I haven’t been posting, and havne’t been able to get to any sites. But am occasionally lucky enough to get here.

    Al,
    Are you thinking that Obama was placed in this position of President because of National Security? Are you also thinking that his connections with all the radicals could be due to him being in the CIA or an informant to the CIA? I had read in an article that his mother was in the CIA working in the banking industry. You seem to me to be a kind person, as to what I have read so far. You don’t come across to me to as an Obot. I think I am confused.

    *************************************************************

    How perceptive of of you, Cyndi. No, I’m not an “obot”; however, Mr. Obama is on pace to be the next President of the United States of America, so he deserves at least chance to demonstrate what he can do as the leader of the free world. Also, as far as his connections go, where you have opened my eyes to the possibility that he may have been an informant aligning himself with the likes of Rezko, Rev. Wright, etc., I do not know about that aspect…my only contention, Cyndi, is that there may be a good reason that all of Mr. Obama’s records are sealed, hinting possibly at a past association with the US intelligence communities, which would have to protect this association at all cost in the dangerous and unpredictable world we live in. Peace. bbl

    Al

  110. Foxtrot Says:

    Al (checking in for a bit). I moved to Minnesota when I was 15 and even THEY did not put the cows in the barn, and they have more harsh weather than you do in NY! So, really . . . what do you really do for a living?

  111. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    what is hannity saying?

  112. hockeyfan530 Says:

    Al,
    Yeah, i’m sure that’s what’s going on. LOL that is the most rational explanation and it would explain why there is no record of the 3 wise men visiting him in Hawaii on the night of his birth.

  113. j.b. Says:

    Well it was short and sweet. But, unfortunately, he doesn’t get it , either. Hannity wants to take, “Obama at his word, that he was born in Hawaii”. *sigh*

    Oh, well a little sumpin- sumpin’ is better that none, I s’pose.

    He did say that he has been getting “alot” of e-mails asking him to cover it and at first the hought it was a “non-issue”. He did say he was interested to see what the SCJ do.

    So, there you have it. I figured once Drudge had it, it was a “go” for Sean and the rest…..

    Face it folks-whether you believe or not It ain’t goin away!

    Thank GOD.

  114. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    j.b.

    I’m not surprised,…… they are taking the cautious route….but at least they are saying something

    I want to kiss “We the People”….. lol… the did what we haven’t managed to do,….. ruffle enough feather to get the msm at least talking about it.

  115. j.b. Says:

    Yeah……Oh, Sean mentioned the ChiTrib ad-WTP and Leo, by name, too.

    Tic (twitch) Tock, tic(twitch) tock……….

  116. Leeballz Says:

    Wow, I look away for a second and now this site has tons of traffic and visitors.

    Still fighting the good fight I see. Keep it up Rosetta Sister.

  117. Foxtrot Says:

    Honestly, everything hinges on SCOTUS. The MSM won’t cover the story, at any length, unless SCOTUS moves this thing forward. I am certain that is why the “big wigs” heading up all the MSM have barked such an order to their minions. The only way they are allowed to cover it is if the Supremes rule in our favor. The MSM wants the same thing . . . they don’t want to be left out in the cold if they piss Obama off! They wouldn’t get interviews, be called on in news conferences for questions–you know the drill! The old “cold shoulder” that Obama gives to those who defy him or question his background. However, if SCOTUS comes through for us, they will figure 1) this story is too big to not cover and 2) it may lead to Obama being disqualified so there would be no impending threat anymore. Time will tell.

  118. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Tomorrow or Monday will be a big day

    I almost hate that I have to be at a meeting tomorrow night….. no matter what happens there should be plenty of buzz

  119. jjones Says:

    JAC,
    I want to go to you meetings if there is plenty of buzz!

  120. rosettasister Says:

    Leeballz Says:
    December 4, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    Wow, I look away for a second and now this site has tons of traffic and visitors.

    Still fighting the good fight I see. Keep it up Rosetta Sister.

    ————————

    Hey, Leeballz!

    We try!

    I’m enjoying reading what the others write here.

    So I’ve become a reader, too!

    Don’t be a stranger!

    Sister

  121. rosettasister Says:

    “Kerry is crying in his beer. Actually it’s probably a nice Cabernet Sauvignon”

    http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/12/04/kerry-is-crying-in-his-beer-actually-its-probably-a-nice-cabernet-sauvignon/

    EXCERPT

    An extra added bonus to the naming of Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State is that John Kerry is sad, really sad. Both the Boston Globe and Herald are reporting that the man who managed to lose to George W. Bush in 2004 is not comfortable with his new seat under the Obama bus.

  122. oo12oo Says:

    Foxtrot Says:

    December 4, 2008 at 8:24 pm
    Al (checking in for a bit). I moved to Minnesota when I was 15 and even THEY did not put the cows in the barn, and they have more harsh weather than you do in NY! So, really . . . what do you really do for a living?

    *************************************************************

    Foxy,

    What Town or City in Minnesota? Do you remember the “Trick or Treat” morning headline in the Minneapolis StarTribune following that freak October 31st snowstorm in 1991?

    Al

  123. Tenacity Says:

    Glad to see everyone working so hard to pull the craniums out of the drainiums. I loved that line. I’m stealing it.

  124. Foxtrot Says:

    Let’s hope the news comes tomorrow, instead of Monday, and that it is GOOD news for us! I will be out “wasting away in Margueritaville” if the announcement is in our favor! (**tipping my tin foil hat to my friends!**)

  125. Tenacity Says:

    BTW: The air is so much fresher here today than it was last night. Thank you Rose!!

  126. Foxtrot Says:

    Al, do I remember the freak Halloween storm? I was in it with my kids! We had them out trick or treating when it started. By the time we got home our nose hairs had frozen and it took us hours to get circulation in our hands! What a riot! My kids, who are in their twenties, still talk about that incredible Halloween! We got 2 feet in that snowstorm with drifts up to 6 feet! We couldn’t even open our front door the next day. Had to crawl out of a window in order to shovel out in front of our doors!

    They don’t get snow like that anymore. El Nino really has changed the climate.

  127. oo12oo Says:

    hockeyfan530 Says:

    December 4, 2008 at 8:25 pm
    Al,
    Yeah, i’m sure that’s what’s going on. LOL that is the most rational explanation and it would explain why there is no record of the 3 wise men visiting him in Hawaii on the night of his birth.

    *************************************************************

    Have to admit a good one when I see one, Hockeyfan’…he shoot, he scores!!! Unfortunately, by 5pm tomorrow the members of the US Supreme Court will hand down a landmark decision of sorts citing protection of individual privacy issues, and that where Mr. Obama has been properly vetted by the federal agencies tasked with those duties, Mr. Obama or anyone/private citizen for that matter doesn’t have to be compelled to share their private individual documents detailing the vital records of one’s life to non federal/law-enforcement entities, etc, etc….

    Al

  128. Foxtrot Says:

    Al, we lived in a St. Paul suburb.

  129. Leeballz Says:

    I’ll try not to be a stranger, just busy…………but still broke. 😦

  130. Foxtrot Says:

    Al says: Have to admit a good one when I see one, Hockeyfan’…he shoot, he scores!!! Unfortunately, by 5pm tomorrow the members of the US Supreme Court will hand down a landmark decision of sorts citing protection of individual privacy issues, and that where Mr. Obama has been properly vetted by the federal agencies tasked with those duties, Mr. Obama or anyone/private citizen for that matter doesn’t have to be compelled to share their private individual documents detailing the vital records of one’s life to non federal/law-enforcement entities, etc, etc….
    ____________________________

    So, Al, if this happens, and I pray it doesn’t– who will protect our country in the future from making sure a candidate meets the eligibility requirements? This is why I think you are wrong. The Justices will recognize that history could repeat itself over and over, if they don’t take a stand this time to protect our country and our Constitution. Also, several of the Justices are what is referred to as “strict Constitutionalists”, meaning they will interpret on the strictest interpretation of the Constitution based on the intent of our Founding Fathers. This is why I have so much hope for their decision.

  131. oo12oo Says:

    Foxtrot Says:

    December 4, 2008 at 8:58 pm
    Al, do I remember the freak Halloween storm? I was in it with my kids! We had them out trick or treating when it started. By the time we got home our nose hairs had frozen and it took us hours to get circulation in our hands! What a riot! My kids, who are in their twenties, still talk about that incredible Halloween! We got 2 feet in that snowstorm with drifts up to 6 feet! We couldn’t even open our front door the next day. Had to crawl out of a window in order to shovel out in front of our doors!

    They don’t get snow like that anymore. El Nino really has changed the climate.

    ************************************************************

    How about that, Foxy! Happy to hear that you guys managed to get home safely amid the sudden snowstorm that blanketed Minneapolis and engulfed the surrounding suburbs, including Roseville and Mound too in a matter of hours. Hope you guys collected enough candy the night before to pass the time the next day trapped inside due to the record snowfall amounts. That was one snowstorm for the ages as they say…

    Al

  132. Foxtrot Says:

    How do you know Mound and Roseville? Did you live there? Family there?

  133. Troy Says:

    Have to admit a good one when I see one, Hockeyfan’…he shoot, he scores!!! Unfortunately, by 5pm tomorrow the members of the US Supreme Court will hand down a landmark decision of sorts citing protection of individual privacy issues, and that where Mr. Obama has been properly vetted by the federal agencies tasked with those duties, Mr. Obama or anyone/private citizen for that matter doesn’t have to be compelled to share their private individual documents detailing the vital records of one’s life to non federal/law-enforcement entities, etc, etc….

    Al
    ————————————————————-
    Al,
    Please get yourself informed….The case being reviewed tomorrow by the SCOTUS does not have anything to do with any documentation of Obama…Leo Donofrio (plaintiff) fully believes Obama was born in Hawaii….Leo’s case simply states that Obama held dual nationality at his time of birth, which makes him ineligible under ArticleII, Section I of the US Constitution….Obama openly admits that at his time of birth he was a British citizen and American citizen….That is DUAL nationality and disqualifies him from being a “natural born citizen”
    Now do you understand what is going on tomorrow?

  134. oo12oo Says:

    So, Al, if this happens, and I pray it doesn’t– who will protect our country in the future from making sure a candidate meets the eligibility requirements? This is why I think you are wrong. The Justices will recognize that history could repeat itself over and over, if they don’t take a stand this time to protect our country and our Constitution. Also, several of the Justices are what is referred to as “strict Constitutionalists”, meaning they will interpret on the strictest interpretation of the Constitution based on the intent of our Founding Fathers. This is why I have so much hope for their decision.

    *************************************************************

    Foxy,

    You make legitimate points, have all day in fact; however, given the “State Secrets Privilege” we may never be able to get a definitive answer from even the members of the US Supreme Court tomorrow. Matters of “National Security” trumps even litigation., but we’ll just have to wait on pins and needles until 5pm I guess to get a more accurate assessment of which way the wind is blowing out of the nation’s capital…

    Al

  135. oo12oo Says:

    Al,
    Please get yourself informed….The case being reviewed tomorrow by the SCOTUS does not have anything to do with any documentation of Obama…Leo Donofrio (plaintiff) fully believes Obama was born in Hawaii….Leo’s case simply states that Obama held dual nationality at his time of birth, which makes him ineligible under ArticleII, Section I of the US Constitution….Obama openly admits that at his time of birth he was a British citizen and American citizen….That is DUAL nationality and disqualifies him from being a “natural born citizen”
    Now do you understand what is going on tomorrow?

    *************************************************************

    Yes, I do now, Troy, thank you.

    By 5pm tomorrow everyone will understand even more. It’s not so much what is being said as much as what isn’t being said…

    Al

  136. Foxtrot Says:

    Al, you are assuming the States Secret Privilege exists! You have nothing to go on to assume that. Obama is NOT a U.S. operative for the CIA or FBI. Please enlighten as to why you continue to use this as your argument!

  137. hockeyfan530 Says:

    guys, i think Al is just kidding around.

  138. oo12oo Says:

    Foxtrot Says:

    December 4, 2008 at 9:06 pm
    How do you know Mound and Roseville? Did you live there? Family there?

    *************************************************************

    Actually worked in Roseville, Foxy (Midwest Motor Express, Inc) and lived in Mound. Too bad about that bridge collapse, huh? “But for the grace of God…”

    How clever of you, Foxy, asking questions as a response to my original question: What Town or City in Minnesota?

    Al

  139. Foxtrot Says:

    Al, I meant to say that the States Secret Privilege exists IN THIS SITUATION! I know it exists. Sorry.

  140. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    jjones

    lol…… it’s a ham radio meeting… so there will be frequency buzz

  141. Foxtrot Says:

    Al, we were in Woodbury, Minnesota. But I still have most of my family in Minnesota. We are there often. Eagan, Rosemount, Apple Valley, Lakeville, Edina, Plymouth, Maple Grove, etc. My husband was born and raised in New Hope, MN.

  142. Troy Says:

    Al,
    Please watch this video and listen to it very carefully…Thx

    http//
    www
    casttv.com/video/e4o51t1/what-is-a-natural-born-citizen-video

  143. oo12oo Says:

    hockeyfan530 Says:

    December 4, 2008 at 9:17 pm
    guys, i think Al is just kidding around.

    *************************************************************

    Actually just preparing myself for the inevitable and only response the powers to be can give tomorrow, Hockeyfan’, without disclosing heavily guarded State Secrets, which is a strong reason to forbid any availability and open discussion to anthing about Mr. Obama, who for all we know may have served his country with honor and distinction within the US intelligence communities, which do not exactly shout from the roof-tops about all of their tactics and/or methods, personnel, etc. In the final analysis, Hockeyfan’, I trust that you and everyone else here genuinely love our country, but there are some things we may never know fully about. Is that fair? No, I say, but the powers to be say, “National Security” supercedes even litigation…Guess we’ll have an answer/some insight in less than 28hrs from now.

    Al

  144. oo12oo Says:

    Troy Says:

    December 4, 2008 at 9:23 pm
    Al,
    Please watch this video and listen to it very carefully…Thx

    http//
    www
    casttv.com/video/e4o51t1/what-is-a-natural-born-citizen-video

    *************************************************************

    Can do, Troy, thanks for sharing it.

    Al

  145. oo12oo Says:

    Foxtrot Says:

    December 4, 2008 at 9:20 pm
    Al, we were in Woodbury, Minnesota. But I still have most of my family in Minnesota. We are there often. Eagan, Rosemount, Apple Valley, Lakeville, Edina, Plymouth, Maple Grove, etc. My husband was born and raised in New Hope, MN.

    *************************************************************

    Thanks for another open and honest answer, Foxy. Cheers to the land of 10,000 lakes, Minnesota!

    Al

  146. hockeyfan530 Says:

    Al,

    OR he could actually be the messiah and who are we to question god….LOL

    Now I know you are just having fun. Thanks for the laugh

  147. Foxtrot Says:

    Al, you are creeping me out a bit!

  148. oo12oo Says:

    Foxtrot Says:

    December 4, 2008 at 9:16 pm
    Al, you are assuming the States Secret Privilege exists! You have nothing to go on to assume that. Obama is NOT a U.S. operative for the CIA or FBI. Please enlighten as to why you continue to use this as your argument!

    *************************************************************

    Foxy, Foxy, Foxy…with more apologies to President Ronald Reagan, “There you go again”. You are a sharp and bright person, Foxy, so I know you know that when someone’s records are this heavily guarded it has less to do with the purposely placed red-herrings of actual place of birth, dual-citizenship, etc…something big, hugh, major is going on behind the scenes on this one. Less to do with where someone was born, what a person’s actual allegiance is or isn’t–this case simply comes down to protecting the The Family Jewels, Foxy.

    Al

  149. hockeyfan530 Says:

    OR, and this is just a shot in the dark here…Obama is trying to hide something. LOL The simplest answer is usually the correct answer….BUT he’s still had dual ciitizenship so even if he were the head of the FBI or CIA still not eligible per the constitution.

  150. Foxtrot Says:

    Obama’s records are heavily guarded secrets because he and Axelrod made it so, not because anyone in the government did! Obama and his campaign has readily admitted they started sealing all these documents THEMSELVES in 2006, in anticipation of a Presidential run. He did the same thing with his records in Indonesia and Kenya (whatever those could be). If he were truly spying against Kenya or Indonesia on a mission from our U.S. government, they sure as heck wouldn’t abide by “sealing” what records they have on Obama. Think logically here, Al. You are not being rational.

  151. Foxtrot Says:

    Al, the condescending tone to everyone on this site has got to stop. You can make your point without being patronizing! Extend us the same courtesy we extend to you.

  152. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Foxy – I wouldn’t tell Al anymore about yourself…IMHO

  153. oo12oo Says:

    Foxtrot Says:

    December 4, 2008 at 9:34 pm
    Al, you are creeping me out a bit!

    *************************************************************

    Certainly not my intent, Foxy. There are just somethings best left alone, but imagine if the Company stepped forward and left their finger-prints on an effort to squash the uproar about “actul place of birth” or “dual-citizenship”, etc. then everyone (not to mention Pakistan, Russia, China, etc) would know things unmentionable outside the halls of The George H. W. Bush for Intelligence building. We have a democratic elected president, so let’s move forward and place our focus on reviving the economy and winning two wars abroad. All Americans should just allow a sense of “Plausible Denial” to take shape and protect the secret inner workings of our “National Security”. Not meant to creep you out, Foxy, just meant to close a chapter before pages not meant for public consumption is thrust into the mix. God Bless America!

    Al

  154. oo12oo Says:

    Foxtrot Says:

    December 4, 2008 at 9:44 pm
    Al, the condescending tone to everyone on this site has got to stop. You can make your point without being patronizing! Extend us the same courtesy we extend to you.

    ************************************************************

    Okay, fair enough, Foxy. Truce…

    Al

  155. Foxtrot Says:

    Mom, who says what I have told him is true! 😉

  156. Troy Says:

    hockeyfan530 Says:

    December 4, 2008 at 9:38 pm
    OR, and this is just a shot in the dark here…Obama is trying to hide something. LOL The simplest answer is usually the correct answer.
    ————————————————————
    Yes, You are correct and I too am a big fan of Ockham’s Razor

  157. hockeyfan530 Says:

    Al,
    There is NO WAY you can actually believe what you are saying. LOL

  158. oo12oo Says:

    Foxtrot Says:

    December 4, 2008 at 9:41 pm
    Obama’s records are heavily guarded secrets because he and Axelrod made it so, not because anyone in the government did! Obama and his campaign has readily admitted they started sealing all these documents THEMSELVES in 2006, in anticipation of a Presidential run. He did the same thing with his records in Indonesia and Kenya (whatever those could be). If he were truly spying against Kenya or Indonesia on a mission from our U.S. government, they sure as heck wouldn’t abide by “sealing” what records they have on Obama. Think logically here, Al. You are not being rational.

    *************************************************************

    I’ll try to keep an openmind, Foxy.

    Al

  159. Foxtrot Says:

    Al– if we went with your theory of anything being plausible, we could also say Obama was an alien or was part of the Borg! People can say anything, it doesn’t make it so.

  160. oo12oo Says:

    hockeyfan530 Says:

    December 4, 2008 at 9:47 pm
    Al,
    There is NO WAY you can actually believe what you are saying. LOL

    *************************************************************

    Just simply trying to comprehend why anyone’s records would have to be this secret and airtight, and the only logical answer keeps coming back, Hockeyfan’.

    Al

  161. Troy Says:

    Obama: Undercover Operative of the NSA, code name “Snake Eyes”….Snake Eyes?…Yes Snake Eyes, he rolled the dice and crapped out!!!

  162. oo12oo Says:

    Foxtrot Says:

    December 4, 2008 at 9:49 pm
    Al– if we went with your theory of anything being plausible, we could also say Obama was an alien or was part of the Borg! People can say anything, it doesn’t make it so.

    *************************************************************

    Yes, you are absolutely right, Foxy, that people can say anything…lots are people are saying Mr. Obama wasn’t born in Hawaii, etc, etc… but I understand the value/intent of your post.

    Al

  163. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Al – how do you type so accurately in your straightjacket!? I had to leave suddenly earlier and just now got caught up with what has been going on around here… I am asking you a serious question – do you SERIOUSLY believe what you are presenting here? Because what you are saying makes the craziest crazy stories out there seem reasonable. IF Obama’s presidency is to be seen as just the next step in some sort of twisted plot of some kind I SERIOUSLY doubt they would have used someone with a questionable birthright to natural born citizenship. I doubt they would have risked all the work – not to mention money – to get him where he is at only to have his NBC questioned and get disqualified. If they were smart enough to have orchestrated his whole life do you really think they would have taken that risk? Seems too unlikely to me.

  164. Troy Says:

    OMG!!!….Did someone mention Borg People?….Ok, who let the cat out of the bag?

    http//
    www
    freakingnews.com/Cyborg-Barack-Obama-Pictures-31152.asp

  165. Foxtrot Says:

    Anyone who is a Star Trek fan knows who the Borg is!

  166. hockeyfan530 Says:

    OK, I have to be honest here. I’m not who you all think i am. I am actually the illigitamite love child of one L. Sinclair and B. Obama. I’ve been kept under wraps by the CIA up to this point. What a relief. Oh, I’m white as a cotton ball but i do have big ears. My father(well he’s the manlier of the two men anyway) barrack is actually on a massive operation for the UN to eliminate peoples ability to think for themselves. And, if I do say so myself, he did a great job at least here in the US. Barrack’s real name is actually Lenny Kwiklowski and he was a community philanthropist in his pre-cia days. He was oft times compared to one Mother Theresa becaus of his work with children. That should be apparent by his views on abortion while in the senate.

  167. j.b. Says:

    The Al Show?

    *needs more cowbell*

    (no pun intended, as far as Al saying he was a farmer with cows, merely a coincidence)

  168. Foxtrot Says:

    j.b. – I love that skit on SNL! I crack up everytime!

  169. Troy Says:

    I sure hope Leo is getting his oral arguments prepared for the SCOTUS…I have a feeling he will be needing them next week.

  170. Foxtrot Says:

    Troy said: I sure hope Leo is getting his oral arguments prepared for the SCOTUS…I have a feeling he will be needing them next week.

    _________________________

    I am certain he has been preparing for a while. However, my only hope is that he eliminates the inordinate amount of “okays” from his presentation. It is almost bordering on the scale of a tic!

  171. oo12oo Says:

    thinkingmom11 Says:

    December 4, 2008 at 9:54 pm
    Al – how do you type so accurately in your straightjacket!? I had to leave suddenly earlier and just now got caught up with what has been going on around here… I am asking you a serious question – do you SERIOUSLY believe what you are presenting here? Because what you are saying makes the craziest crazy stories out there seem reasonable. IF Obama’s presidency is to be seen as just the next step in some sort of twisted plot of some kind I SERIOUSLY doubt they would have used someone with a questionable birthright to natural born citizenship. I doubt they would have risked all the work – not to mention money – to get him where he is at only to have his NBC questioned and get disqualified. If they were smart enough to have orchestrated his whole life do you really think they would have taken that risk? Seems too unlikely to me.

    *************************************************************

    ThinkingMom’,

    You raise some good points in your post save for the straightjacket (smile). I’m a simple farmhand, Mom’, in search of truth. In matters of US intelligence operations, as with any other country’s intelligence organization, one knows the cardinal rule with them all is discerning which fish to fry. The grand chess board has been set, so all the major players are in place is their thinking, so while others want to follow red-herrings and muddy the waters on matters above the surface then so be it. You have your wits about you, Mom, so there’s a part of me that believes that in your heart of hearts you know Mr. Obama is no match for the US intelligence community, so, therefore, if they aren’t the least bit concerned amid the public up-roar, Why are they so calm? The answer is clear but may not be the answer we all want.

    Al

  172. j.b. Says:

    j.b. – I love that skit on SNL! I crack up everytime!

    Yep.

  173. oo12oo Says:

    j.b. Says:

    December 4, 2008 at 9:58 pm
    The Al Show?

    *needs more cowbell*

    (no pun intended, as far as Al saying he was a farmer with cows, merely a coincidence)

    *************************************************************

    Good one, J.B. She shoots, she scores. My cowbell has been rung…

    Al

  174. Rob Says:

    Hi all. I’ve been a silent observer for awhile. At the risk of asking a dumb question… if Obama were some sort of CIA operative or super spy and his “outing” could render severe consequences to our national security, why would the government be silly enough to allow him to run for president without some sort of secret preparations that would quell these kinds of questions? Why would our government risk it when all they would have to do is make up a background before he ever made his announcement to run?

  175. thinkingmom11 Says:

    So Al, since you say the answer “may not be what we all want” I would like for you to explain exactly what it is you think we all want. I am curious about what your intent and goal is – I am still trying to figure you out.

    You are apparently loathe (in a oblivious manner) to reveal anything of import about yourself while seeking information from others. You bite then retreat and asuage hurt feelings with (somewhat patronizing) complements and congratulations. Something isn’t right. You are for to willing to “admit” or conceed points to others – yet not really. What’s your game Al? What are you after? Either you know something the rest of us don’t know OR——– your tin hat is WAAAAAAAAY too tight.

  176. Foxtrot Says:

    **crickets chirping**

  177. Foxtrot Says:

    LOL Mom!

  178. rosettasister Says:

    Rob Says:
    December 4, 2008 at 10:14 pm

    ————————

    Welcome, Rob!

    You should be able to post at will now.

    Rosetta

  179. Foxtrot Says:

    Rob, you are absolutely correct! Just goes to reinforce what we are all trying to say to Al.

  180. Rob Says:

    Thank you, Rosetta! 🙂

  181. thinkingmom11 Says:

    You got it spot on Rob – and welcome 🙂

  182. j.b. Says:

    Rob, they wouldn’t. Today, Al is king of the mountain……..wanna play?

    Yeah, me neither. Welcome, btw.

  183. Rob Says:

    Thanks, Mom and j.b. Re: Al, while he may be a farmhand now, I’d bet the farm he hasn’t always been!

  184. Foxtrot Says:

    Al is no farmhand. I can almost guarantee that. Plus, the term farmhand usually refers to the “hired help” of a Farmer who owns his own farm. Therefore, Al is asking us to believe he is a “hired hand” by an owner/Farmer. If this was the case, how could he have so much time to blog? Would your employer, if you were a one man operation, allow you to be online all day? And wouldn’t your boss notice if you were sitting at the kitchen table next to him on the computer? Doesn’t fly with me!

  185. Tenacity Says:

    Excerpt from Chicago Tribune article posted by WND: http: //www .newsday.com/news/politics/chi-obama-birth-certificatedec04,0,3247305.story

    The Obama campaign has maintained that he was born in Hawaii, has an authentic birth certificate, and is a “natural-born” U.S. citizen. Hawaiian officials agree.”
    ***************
    It is quite apparent that the Tribune staff are either poorly informed, dumb, delusional, blatant liars or some combination of the 4. The way that the author, James Janega, couched this statement is very deceptive. He makes it look like a confirmed fact, when it is a gross misrepresentation by BO and a lie by Janega regarding the HI officials.

    I don’t believe sending emails to the Tribpuke will accomplish anything. Perhaps writing to others and calling the Tribpuke out for their false reporting would be more effective.

    The article is cleverly twisted propaganda in other ways.

  186. Tenacity Says:

    Excerpt from Chicago Tribune article posted by WND: http: //www .newsday.com/news/politics/chi-obama-birth-certificatedec04,0,3247305.story

    The Obama campaign has maintained that he was born in Hawaii, has an authentic birth certificate, and is a “natural-born” U.S. citizen. Hawaiian officials agree.”
    ***************
    It is quite apparent that the Tribune staff are either poorly informed, dumb, delusional, blatant liars or some combination of the 4. The way that the author, James Janega, couched this statement is very deceptive. He makes it look like a confirmed fact, when it is a gross misrepresentation by BO and a lie by Janega regarding the HI officials.

    I don’t believe sending emails to the Tribpuke will accomplish anything. Perhaps writing to others and calling the Tribpuke out for their false reporting would be more effective.

    The article is cleverly twisted propaganda in other ways. Good example of bias media and cover up.

  187. rosettasister Says:

    “The Electronic Jihadist: A Brief Conversation With Dr. Nancy H. Kobrin.”

    http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2008/12/04/the-electronic-jihadist-a-brief-conversation-with-dr-nancy-h-kobrin/

    EXCERPT

    PC: Granted that we know very little about them, still, what do you make of these Mumbai terrorists?

    NK: As you know my book deals with the imagery and the psychology of Muslim terrorist attacks.

    The imagery of Mumbai reminds me of a very violent video game. This is what I call an “E-jihadi” phenomenon.

    These jihadists are addicted to violence and violent videos. They are also recruited via the internet.

    It reveals an enormous deficit in their ability to relate to people in a healthy way. They relate only through violence.

  188. thinkingmom11 Says:

    And Al when I say “know” —- I mean REALLY knowing — not just thinking you know, or feeling like you know or, based-on my-experience kind of know. Don’t come at me with REALLY crazy speculation – which, through what you have posted is what you think WE are engaging in btw – without backing it up with SOMETHING! At least our arguments regarding Natural Born Citizenship, non-transparency, socialist tendencies etc. can be backed up with REAL information and facts your wild yarn is based on nothing BUT speculation and a healty mental diet of spy novels.

  189. Foxtrot Says:

    Tenacity, how is one supposed to learn if we don’t educate them? Now, more than ever, we need to email or call the Tribune to let them know the error of their information. I already did, several times. We are either ALL IN or not at all. I am ALL IN. That means I do whatever it takes to get the truth out. I would encourage everyone to write the Tribune as well, and “edumacate” them on the TRUE facts!

  190. ddlew Says:

    Thinkingmom

    Ok I’m trying to catch up. So Al is a cyborg in a straight jacket and Obama works for the CIA.

    What else have I missed ?

  191. Foxtrot Says:

    ddlew – LOL!

  192. Tenacity Says:

    I only posted that once. Stranger than strange.

  193. Foxtrot Says:

    ddlew– Al now thinks that Obama may be a U.S. operative and that is why all his records have been sealed. Subsequently, he feels the SCOTUS will be told this and that they should rule in favor of Obama with all the lawsuits.

  194. Foxtrot Says:

    And Al thinks WE need tinfoil hats!?!?!?

  195. ladyliberty Says:

    Seems to me the CIA would have come up with a better forgery of a COLB.

  196. Foxtrot Says:

    Hi Lady Liberty!

  197. j.b. Says:

    Al makes me miss Jen even more.

  198. Foxtrot Says:

    I have to run some errands. Be back later. Have fun. Please have all the world’s problems resolved by the time I get back.

    . . . no pressure!

  199. thinkingmom11 Says:

    ddlew – that about sums it up! LOL

  200. ladyliberty Says:

    Hey Fox – your resume is impressive – if that is your true resume!!! 🙂

  201. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Bye Fox!

  202. Foxtrot Says:

    Yea, it is. I just said that to throw Al off. He can’t do anything to me, even if I printed my name/address and social security number. I too have friends in high places!

  203. ddlew Says:

    Ohhhhhhh……I see now.

    Thanks Fox!

    Glad to see I wasn’t too far off track. 🙂

  204. Foxtrot Says:

    That was directed to Lady Liberty!

  205. Foxtrot Says:

    What I meant to say is “yes” , everything I said was true. Hope I made that clear Lady Liberty?

  206. Foxtrot Says:

    Ok, I really do have to run. I want the Financial Crisis settled, and world peace by the time I come back. Reaaaaaaaaaaaadyy, Settttttttttttttttt, GO!

  207. Tenacity Says:

    Fox,
    Some people have no desire to be educated. Sometimes the only way to educate is to embarrass. The Tribpuke falls into that category. They are liars and deceivers and the world needs to know. They (CT) already know and don’t care.

  208. oo12oo Says:

    thinkingmom11 Says:

    December 4, 2008 at 10:18 pm
    So Al, since you say the answer “may not be what we all want” I would like for you to explain exactly what it is you think we all want. I am curious about what your intent and goal is – I am still trying to figure you out.

    You are apparently loathe (in a oblivious manner) to reveal anything of import about yourself while seeking information from others. You bite then retreat and asuage hurt feelings with (somewhat patronizing) complements and congratulations. Something isn’t right. You are for to willing to “admit” or conceed points to others – yet not really. What’s your game Al? What are you after? Either you know something the rest of us don’t know OR——– your tin hat is WAAAAAAAAY too tight.

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    ThinkingMom’,

    I only seek the truth. Yes, sometimes the truth isn’t exactly what any of us may want, but the truth is paramount to living in a free and open society, ThinkingMom’. Yes, truth be told, I do offer compliments and kudos, which I genuinely mean by the way but the anonymity of communicating online doesn’t necessarily convey one’s true intentions. I do mean anything positive I have ever shared with or to anyone online. We are all human so where I can promote another human’s well-being I’ll never refrain from that nor apologize for it. Yes, I understand that there are all kinds of people here on the worldwide web. ThinkingMom, but for the benefit of everyone who has encountered me way back since the Mr. Sinclair story broke last Summer and/or the API charade too, I will readily admit that I value truth above and beyond anything else, so sometimes my internet persona can seem to be blunt, but I’m not–only here for the truth wherever it leads. If I had my way Mr. Obama would simply hold a press conference and share his birth-certificate openly with the American people; obviously, there are reasons why this has not happened yet or may not ever happen. My contention is only that when this much effort is placed on concealing someone’s records, ThinkingMom’, there seems to be an invisible entity hovering undetected to ensure they remain undetected. In the spirit of what our nation stands for, ThinkingMom’, I would be happy if the US Supreme Court demands for an open showing of the birth-certificate, because the TRUTH prevails either way. Will they do that? Maybe not if someone invokes the”State Secrets Privilege’ clause citing “National Security” interests…we’ll all get more insight by tomorrow evening. Peace.

    Al

  209. ladyliberty Says:

    You did! I appreciate your independent voice and your wealth of experience in the world. Makes my obsession with this issue a little less crazy!

  210. Rob Says:

    How is truth possible when so much concealment is afoot? If there is an “invisible entity” hovering to protect that which Obama doesn’t want exposed, why does he need teams of lawyers to try and make sure his hidden information never sees the light of day?

  211. Tenacity Says:

    Rob,
    First, they should tell us the truth or be thrown out. 2nd, the last thing we need is a professional fraud as POTUS. If there is any truth in what Al poses, then we certainly don’t want a spy in charge. No one could ever trust him and the Constitution would be damaged beyond repair.

  212. Rob Says:

    The good news is that there is a big difference between truth and speculation. 🙂 If Obama was a genuine spy, do you really think his background information would have been left unchecked when he decided he should be President? I doubt there will be any forthcoming revelations about his super secret spyhood. With as much as he’s hiding now, I don’t see how anyone could ever trust him anyway. Besides, being a spy isn’t the problem. It’s his eligibility to be POTUS according to our Constitution.

  213. hockeyfan530 Says:

    again the simplest explanation is generally the correct answer. If a patient came to a doctor with a cold the doctor wouldn’t start by removing the patient’s liver. Well, my doctor wouldn’t, but if yours does run like hell

  214. Tenacity Says:

    What I was trying to say is that the whole concept is ludicrous.

  215. Rob Says:

    LOL hockey!

  216. Rob Says:

    Me, too, Tenacity. I’m sorry if I didn’t get your point immediately. I get a little dense after 5 pm. 😉

  217. hockeyfan530 Says:

    i think what Al may be trying do is show us that we look silly with our “conspiracy” theories. Of course, he is comparing apples to oranges. We have a lot of evidence to support our “conspiracy”. One of which is 100% verified by Obama himself…his dual citizenship. Al’s on the other hand is pure conspiracy. Pulled out of the air with no logic or proof to substantiate what he is saying. So it really doesn’t work…but i like his effort

  218. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    got the creepys….ick…just left fight the smears and factcheck
    wanted to download the pages before they changed

  219. sliderblaze Says:

    marketwatch.com/news/story/Mr-Obamas-Eligibility-Aired-Monday/story.aspx?guid={35E191D7-D7BD-4722-BAF1-E6C0CBC18EA3}

  220. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    whoaaaaaa
    ____________
    “Should the state members of the Electoral College cast their votes for Mr. Obama in the face of such overwhelming evidence, and without verification of Mr. Obama’s eligibility, they would be committing treason to the Constitution,” said Schulz

  221. rosettasister Says:

    New Thread:

    https://rosettasister.wordpress.com/2008/12/05/carry-on-my-wayward-daughter/

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