“Democrat asks Supremes to halt electors” ”Obama lets deadline slip by without responding to petition, so attorney takes next step”

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2141954/posts?page=1#14

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After President-elect Barack Obama and the Democratic National Committee let a Dec. 1 deadline slip by without responding to Pennsylvania attorney Philip J. Berg’s petition for writ of certiorari demanding Obama produce a legitimate birth certificate, the attorney is now filing a motion to stop Obama from taking office in January.

Berg has filed an emergency motion for immediate injunction, America’s Right blogger and legal writer Jeff Schreiber reports. Berg is asking the court to stop state certification of electors to keep the Electoral College from meeting

Dec. 15 and casting votes for Obama. He is also seeking to postpone the official vote count Jan. 6 until the court reaches a decision on his appeal.

“It is my firm belief, my one thousand percent firm belief,” Berg told Schreiber, “that he does not meet the natural born qualifications, that he should not be voted for by the electors, and that he should not be sworn in this January unless he shows his credentials … which he of course cannot, simply because he does not have them.”

Berg filed his petition Oct. 30, and according to procedure, a response from the defendants was due yesterday. While the Federal Election Commission waived its right to respond to the complaint Nov. 18, there has been no word from Obama or the DNC.

The parties are not legally required to respond, and Berg said he doesn’t expect them to do so. He believes the defendants will argue that he lacks standing.

“If they were going to respond, I get the feeling that it would have been in there by now,” Berg told Schreiber. “The feeling may be that, if they respond, they could hold themselves out for perjury later on when we’re successful. That’s why, in the lower court, they just relied on a motion to dismiss based on standing. Here, they may not want to file an actual, specific response in the Supreme Court for fear they’ll be held to it later.”

Berg referenced nationwide efforts to demand Obama produce an original birth certificate.

“We’re finding that there is a great interest across the United States,” Berg said. “I’ve been on talk show after talk show, and the more the case is discussed, the more people are made aware of it and are disgusted by the fact that Obama just won’t simply produce the credentials showing he’s qualified. Hopefully, some authority will demand it.”

See also:

“Print, TV ads demand citizenship proof from Obama” Concerned Americans look to media to compel president-elect to release documents” By Chelsea Schilling

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=82523

EXCERPT

Television commercial

Now Illuminati Pictures, the same company that produced the video of expert Ron Polarik, has filmed its own 60-second television commercial regarding Obama’s citizenship.

From illuminatitv

WND columnist Janet Porter of Faith2Action, is working on funding the new ad for release on television. Her website is accepting contributions for the project until Dec. 15.

“These are the facts,” she wrote. “The Constitution requires the president to be a natural born citizen. Obama’s grandmother said she was there when Barack was born in Kenya. Obama refuses to release his original birth certificate. Instead of a birth certificate, Obama’s campaign posted a certification given to those born abroad. Experts have called even that document an ‘obvious forgery.'”

Porter said $12,000 buys a national 60-second ad on Fox News between 5 and 6 p.m.

“I say let’s buy a few of those and publicize it so the rest of the world finally hears about the constitutional crisis we’re in,” she wrote. “Then, the Bill O’Reillys, Sean Hannitys and Rush Limbaughs may decide to cover the story of the century.”

Freeper Thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2141911/posts

Phil Berg Barack Obama Ron Polarik Jeff Schreiber

359 Responses to ““Democrat asks Supremes to halt electors” ”Obama lets deadline slip by without responding to petition, so attorney takes next step””

  1. rosettasister Says:

    I believe this is the columnist ThinkingMom is referring to. I found the “Related Blog Posts” interesting:

    Mary Mitchell

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/mitchell/index.html

    “We The People acting like We The Desperate” “Campaign to discredit Obama has gone beyond ridiculous”

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/mitchell/1308626,CST-NWS-mitch02.article

    Related Blog Posts:

    “WE THE PEOPLE DEMAND TO SEE BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA’S REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE”

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/blogentries/index.html?bbPostId=CzBWPel0iJcKQCzCrsUc4BM6CcB4iOlF7DC8L6Cz7riLrYUZfpD&bbParentWidgetId=B8k88rWwXopuz5STgLeVwBLu

    “Philip Berg: Obama Birth Certificate Appeal”

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/blogentries/index.html?bbPostId=B6LwRiIb4dOIBArv2ZqKOuU5CzCMQsR0QBBHPCz1o8F3arC13B&bbParentWidgetId=B8k88rWwXopuz5STgLeVwBLu

  2. j.b. Says:

    !st?!?

  3. rosettasister Says:

    beat ya!

  4. j.b. Says:

    If they were going to respond, I get the feeling that it would have been in there by now,” Berg told Schreiber. “The feeling may be that, if they respond, they could hold themselves out for perjury later on when we’re successful. That’s why, in the lower court, they just relied on a motion to dismiss based on standing. Here, they may not want to file an actual, specific response in the Supreme Court for fear they’ll be held to it later.”

    That. Is a very good point and I believe it with all my being. That it is exactly what’s going on. Of course not being a lawyer, I did not think of it, but now that it is there in black and white (and read all over) I have to agree-spot on. imo.

  5. Foxtrot Says:

    Mom, it was on the obamacrimes.com general comments section

  6. j.b. Says:

    beat ya!

    Again!

    One a these days, Allllllice………..to the moon!

    🙂

  7. rosettasister Says:

    j.b. Says:
    December 3, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    Thanks for the laughter, j.b.!

  8. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Thanks Fox

  9. Foxtrot Says:

    I also placed a comment on the nbc article.

  10. Foxtrot Says:

    At first they would not print it, then I sent an email directed to the webmaster and lambasted him for not placing it among the comments. The next “refresh”–voila! My comment appeared.

  11. thinkingmom11 Says:

    I posted this over at the Chicago Tribune:

    I have some things to say to those of you who consistantly accuse those who oppose Obama of being racists and xenophobes:
    1. Many of us would have no problem voting for a black or any other color person (man or woman) if that person represented our political views. Obama doesn’t represent much of anything that I support. Period.

    2. Please come up with a more mature arguement. We are no longer scared of it. It is the equivalent of a child on the playground calling someone a “doo doo head.” Give me a break.

    3. If you refuse to relinquish your ownership of such arguement, then I will say that you are racist because you refused to vote for John McCain,or Roger Caldero (he was a man of color). Or maybe you DIDN”T vote for them because you didn’t agree with their policies….hmmm

    So GET OVER yourselves and realize that maybe YOU aren’t the only ones who voted their political views, unless of course YOU voted Obama strictly BECAUSE of his race….then who is the racist…

  12. thinkingmom11 Says:

    OK – sorry for the confusion – I meant the Chicago NBC site..I saw your post Fox

  13. j.b. Says:

    Thanks for the laughter, j.b.!

    You betcha! (said in my bestest Sarah Palin imitation voice)
    And a Thank You for the place. 🙂

    After a little thought re; my above post, I have to say that if in fact BO is who we all think he is (and isn’t) ………………….Perjury is the LAST thing he oughtta be worried about!

    KWIM? Yeah, you doooooo.

    How’s that facial tic workin’ for ya, Bam Bam?

  14. thinkingmom11 Says:

    I also posted this in response to a guy who asked what bothered us most, that a liberal democrat won or a black man…

    Robert – what bothers me most is that a man who is NOT QUALIFIED was elected, second would be that he is WAY TOO LIBERAL for me. I wouldn’t have voted for him if he were whiter than McCain (is that even possible!!???).

  15. hockeyfan530 Says:

    i don’t understand how bambam can go on acting as if everything is both hunky and dory when he has all of these issues to deal with. He has to be a man with absolutely no moral compass or conscience. He has to be wondering when is this shoe going to drop…I know i’ve been wondering that for the entire election….let’s hope that shoe drops this time FINALLY!

  16. thinkingmom11 Says:

    OK I found the info on even the state of Hawaii needing more than just a Certification of live birth to absolutely PROVE a Hawaiian birth for homestead applications.

    hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl

    no www needed…this should show some people that even Hawaii needs better proof than the cert BO provided.

  17. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Bam Bam is tri- racial meaning he is African/Arabic/Caucasian

    Every ancestor on his father’s side has an Arabic name, because his father was officially classified as “Arab African” by the Kenyan government.

    Not that it makes a difference what race he is. He is a wolf in sheeps clothing who has a agenda for this country; and not the kind of change you are thinking of.
    I consider YOU tin foil hat for believing a man who has done nothing but aquire questionable friends and hides everything about his past.

  18. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Hey Fan…I think it is gonna catch up with him. I personally sorta want to watch his upcoming pressers – maybe that facial tic will spread:

    Reporter: “Mr. Obama, there is speculation that after the Supreme Court reviews the cases before it, that you may be declared ineligible to be President. Do you have any comment?

    Obama:

  19. j.b. Says:

    At first they would not print it, then I sent an email directed to the webmaster and lambasted him for not placing it among the comments. The next “refresh”–voila! My comment appeared.

    That’s cool.

  20. rosettasister Says:

    “Hospitals in Hawaii to Obama: You Were Not Born Here!”

    http://www.earthfrisk.com/blog/?p=135

    Freeper Thread on above:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2141909/posts

    EXCERPT

    Hospital after hospital in Honolulu all have NO RECORD of Obama or mother ever being there. Is this some state secret? Are we to believe that even the hospital that he was born in should remain secret? Why lie to us as if it matters I mean the man did win the Presidential vote? Why the lies and secrecy?

    We already know that Obama’s family and the entire nation of Kenya (which is about to have a national holiday for Obama) know that Barack Obama was born in Mombasa Coastal Hospital in Kenya. The government of Kenya has sealed these records. More and more secrecy due to the fact that once proven, Obama will not be constitutionally allowed to become President of the United States!

    Polarik Comments:

    To: ckilmer
    Obama had all of the candidates competing in his Senatorial election disqualified, and then he simply waltzed in. From that moment on, he knew that a Senator would automatically be “qualified” to campaign for, be elected, and serve as President.
    It’s like applying for, and being hired as, a security guard in a bank. No one would ever imagine that a security guard only applied for the job just to rob the bank.
    Whether it’s the security guard/robber or the Senator/President no one pulls of a big theft without some inside help.

    394 posted on Wednesday, December 03, 2008 5:48:53 AM by Polarik

    To: Netizen
    If he wasn’t born in any Hawaiian hospital, then which hospital confirmed his birth certificate?
    Thousands of babies born in the US were not delivered in hospitals, and that number is multiplied for births occurring in foreign countries, especially Kenya. However, I assume that the process for obtaining a Kenyan birth certificate for a home-birthed baby required the signatures of witnesses, especially the TBA (Traditional Birth Attendant). Why this scenario has never been mentioned is beyond me.
    Until recently, the vast majority of women in Kenya have usually given birth at home. The birth of a child in Kenya is a big deal for the entire community where he or she is born. Most mothers cannot afford medical care and that’s why a midwife, or “traditional birth attendant” is the one delivering the baby.
    However, we are talking about Stanley Dunham, a wealthy American mother who could certainly afford to deliver Obama in a hospital (assuming, of course, that Stanley was Obama’s biological mother), and while traditional home-birthed babies may never get a birth certificate from the Government, I’m sure that Obama’s mama did.
    Now, in order to get an out-of-country birth registered in Hawaii, an original birth certificate from the country of birth has to be surrendered to Hawaii. Regardless of whether Hawaii issued, in exchange for the original one, a long-form, Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth (NOT called a COLB), or a Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth (what IS called a COLB), the name of the actual country of birth would be listed under CITY, TOWN, OR LOCATION OF BIRTH on either form. Of course, the ISLAND OF BIRTH on the COLB would be left blank, or would say “NONE.”
    Since both documents may list only the location where the birth occurred, that means the name of the ship if a baby was delivered at sea, or the closest intersection to the location of the taxi if the baby was born in its back seat.

    409 posted on Wednesday, December 03, 2008 6:47:10 AM by Polarik

  21. Foxtrot Says:

    As I said last night on the Plains radio show, sometimes you have to Be Aggressive, Be, Be, Aggressive! LOL!

  22. thinkingmom11 Says:

    arrrrggghhh I made invisible text with my html coding

    Obama: {say nothing. However, a noticible twitch starts under his right eye and spreads down his neck. Suddenly, he falls to the ground succumbing to a full body twitch like one has when falling asleep>

    Now, THAT is news worth watching!

  23. j.b. Says:

    I wonder where the phrase “Wait ’til the other shoe drops” comes from. We do have some odd ways of saying things, don’t we?

  24. Foxtrot Says:

    Rose, in one interview a long time ago, Obama backpedaled and said he was born at home, instead of in a hospital. So which is it? One minute he claims to have been born at two hospitals in HI and the next he was born at home?

  25. j.b. Says:

    Oh and one of those hospitals was built 2 years after he was born! (per Atlas Shrugs, I think)

  26. Foxtrot Says:

    The next thing he will be saying is that he was “wrapped in swaddling clothes and was lying in a manger!” Honestly, it has almost come to that!

  27. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    j.b

    i think it comes from the days of the plague

  28. rosettasister Says:

    Foxtrot Says:
    December 3, 2008 at 5:30 pm

    Rose, in one interview a long time ago, Obama backpedaled and said he was born at home, instead of in a hospital.

    ————————–

    That’s the first I’ve heard that one.

    Thanks, Fox!

  29. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    i think we are going to need to keep at least a dozen of our best general post so we can copy/paste….

    lol or I think we will have nubs for fingers before this is over

  30. j.b. Says:

    j.b

    i think it comes from the days of the plague

    Do you mean leprosy?
    j/k

    *shoe drops, foot goes with it………..*

  31. j.b. Says:

    lol or I think we will have nubs for fingers before this is over

    And a very flat a$$!

  32. Foxtrot Says:

    This is what I posted on the nbc site in response to the “liberal democrat” issue:

    I am a liberal Democrat. I might be considered an “insider” as I ran political campaigns for the Democratic Party in three states, over the course of 12 years. My choice for President was Hillary. When issues started cropping up about Obama and I saw he went to great lengths (and expense) to cover it up, instead of simply providing the documents people requested, that is when I started to do my own research instead of following blindly along party lines. I am an American first, and a Democrat second. It didn’t take long to realize that Obama had something to hide. Prove me wrong, Obama. Open up all your college records and provide the vault version of your Hawaii birth certificate. I will be the first to admit I was wrong if I am proven so. I think we both know what would happen if you provided the documentation that all these lawsuits are requesting. Nuff said! … MORE >

  33. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    j.b

    hmmmmm I like that side effect
    maybe i should lay on my belly with the laptop 🙂

  34. thinkingmom11 Says:

    I personally liked this post at freeper:

    If mr. creepy and the democrat Congress and SCOTUS can ignore the US Constitution and federal and state laws

    Then we all can

    Starting with federal and state and city income taxes, capitol gains taxes, sales taxes, property taxes and……….!

    HA HA Mr. Creepy…funny stuff

  35. rhl Says:

    I’ve been more of a lurker than a poster and I’ve enjoyed reading all of the comments here.

    I have one thought…maybe Obama was just HATCHED.

  36. Foxtrot Says:

    Derivation of “Waiting for the other shoe to drop”-

    the expression is mid-to-late 20th century, and based on the metaphor of living in an apartment beneath someone (occupying the floor above) who has a habit of removing their shoes or boots before getting into bed, while sitting on the edge of the bed, dropping each shoe or boot with a thud onto the floor, disturbing the occupant(s) in the room below. The analogy is typically embroidered for extra effect by the the fact that the person dropping the boots goes to bed late, or returns from shift-work in the early hours, thereby creating maximum upset to the victims below, who are typically in bed asleep or trying to get to sleep. The sense of expectation of the inevitable thud of the second shoe is also typically exaggerated by describing a very long pause between first and second shoes being dropped. The sense of being powerless to prevent the ritual – a sort of torture – and potentially the fact that it is a recurring experience also feature in the meaning and use of the expression.

  37. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    Hmmm. They cremate Granny, right? So, now how would they prove or disprove that Stanley was his biological mom? Not that I don’t think she was, but it seems so fishy that granny died the day before the elections. BO hasn’t even been to HI to visit since her death–even to the memorial that was held for her there. Has the man no heart? The one woman that was his only real “parent”, the one who scraped and saved to put him through the best school available? He can’t even pay a cursory visit? I mean, his sister didn’t attend his acceptance grand ceremony! She stayed in HI because Granny died? But, big brother couldn’t make it back… I know, I’m belaboring the point.. I just don’t get it. Let me get my tin hat back on so I can think without all of those rays coming in!

  38. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    Hey Foxy, maybe they will let us have the nativity back at the state house now!

  39. j.b. Says:

    The sense of being powerless to prevent the ritual – a sort of torture – and potentially the fact that it is a recurring experience also feature in the meaning and use of the expression.

    So this is what “they” replaced water boarding with.

  40. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    Bill may become Senator taking Hil’s place…hmmmm.

  41. Foxtrot Says:

    LOL Patty! The only difficulty we will have is fitting Obama in that tiny little manger! (complete with spolight shining down upon him, of course!)

  42. Foxtrot Says:

    I would be thrilled if Bill took Hillary’s seat. However, I am cautiously optimistic that Obama will not be President because he will be found to be ineligible. That will make all his appointments null and void. In my ideal world, Hillary would then be elected President by the Electoral College. I know some of you will have differing opinions, but I am crossing my fingers!

  43. rosettasister Says:

    rhl Says:
    December 3, 2008 at 5:42 pm

    I’ve been more of a lurker than a poster and I’ve enjoyed reading all of the comments here.

    I have one thought…maybe Obama was just HATCHED.

    —————————

    Welcome, rhl!

    Yes, HATCHED from his father’s head, like some mythical figure!

    Rosetta

  44. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    grrrrrr i hate when they try to pull the racist crap

  45. Foxtrot Says:

    Welcome rhl. I am the token Democrat here. I suspect my friends on this blog tolerate me because we are linked by a common cause —exposing Obama for the fraud he is!

  46. thinkingmom11 Says:

    LOL Pep!! nativity back…funny stuff

    The whole entire Granny thing is BEYOND bizarro to me. When my grandmother was dying (she didn’t even raise me but we were kinda close) I drove across the country (CA to TX) with two little kids (2 and 4) to spend some time with her before she passed. She lived a little longer and I flew to Tx with my 2 yo for her funeral. SO COME ON – what gives with granny??

    Personally, I think O hated her. Maybe she lied to him about who he is (father maybe not who he was told which would explain the reluctance to release the BC) or he blames her for his troubles (anyone think that maybe something weird may have happened with Davis??) and he doesn’t REALLY care that she died.

  47. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Maybe he DID hatch?! And the egg had a 14 year incubation period…THAT”S IT. His pod was delivered to Roswell in 1947. Mystery SOLVED.

  48. rhl Says:

    Thanks, Rosetta and Fox for the welcome. I agree he is a fraud. It just baffles me that people blindly follow him!

  49. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    Foxy, I’m sorry, but Al would be the one with that honorable position, of being tolerated. You, we just adore. You see, we can be diverse here–as long as you all agree that I’m the prettiest———

    ha ha… Just kidding!

    BTW…who stole my avatar! Is that dang doggone API monitor lurking about here?

  50. Foxtrot Says:

    I think Obama has absolutely no emotional connection to anyone. That is what makes him dangerous. I see how he interacts with his little girls and it seems to be more of a bother than a joy to do so. The sun rises and sets by our girls for my husband. Obama is emotionless. I think he did hate his grandmother and his mother. I think he is capable of anything and it scares me.

  51. Foxtrot Says:

    Thanks Patty!

  52. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Pep – why won’t SOMEONE steal my avatar??? oh yea -ugly cat

  53. Foxtrot Says:

    You all are much more computer savvy than I am. I wouldn’t know how to change my avatar if it bit me in the butt! Actually, I didn’t even know what an avatar was until I was on the API site and people were changing theirs left and right!

  54. rhl Says:

    TM – I believe he hated her as well. In his book he referred to her as “a typical white person”. That doesn’t sound like respect to me.

  55. Foxtrot Says:

    **hanging my head in shame and embarrassment**

  56. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    Foxy, are you saying something like: An Arab dude with a bad attitude and no emotional loyalties has his finger near the big switch and that bothers you?

    Where is your degree of tolerance there? Tsk..tsk..

  57. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    I think we should get together and have our own version of the “View”-

  58. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Fox and JAC – I posted this at nbc to CptMatt who seems to think this is all racist because no one is questioning McCain’s eligibility:

    CptMatt – If you look at the Donofrio case, you will see that he is questioning McCain’s eligibility also. I know it takes a little effort to do your own research but you should really try it sometime – it makes you look smarter.CptMatt – If you look at the Donofrio case, you will see that he is questioning McCain’s eligibility also. I know it takes a little effort to do your own research but you should really try it sometime – it makes you look smarter.

  59. thinkingmom11 Says:

    except I didn’t repeat myself – don’t know why that did that…

  60. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    mom
    I like your cat,….. lol the hubby says it looks like Spike

  61. Foxtrot Says:

    Patty – Something like that! I honestly don’t care that he is of Arab descent, if he was a “natural born” citizen. I dont’ get hung up on religion or race as others on some other blogs do. My kids were taught not to see color and they don’t. My main concern is anyone who has no emotional ties, is not natural born, and who has lied and cheated his way to the White House, may have access to our biggest secrets. Anyone who has that many secrets scares me, as other countries could discover them and use them as leverage against him. This puts our country at great risk!

  62. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    mom,. good one

  63. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    Hey TM, I commented to CptMatt too..probably not as diplomatic as you are…

  64. Foxtrot Says:

    Peppermint Patty, except our version of the View would be in the reverse. One token Democrat and the rest Republican! LOL! I can take the heat! Can you?

  65. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Someone once told me it looked like Mr. Myagi from Karate Kid. I think it looks like Mr. Myagi and Yoda had a love child.

  66. Foxtrot Says:

    🙂

  67. inspirational1 Says:

    just a thought, there is a website called ancestory.com that will list names birth and death, where a person lived and relations if anyone has time to research obama or his mother or even grandparents

  68. Foxtrot Says:

    Mom, it does kind of look like yoda!

  69. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Fox

    I pull out the Tri racial card sometimes because it is something easily proven, and something they are probably completely clueless about.

    Maybe it will make them pause and think about other things we say….. just a theory

    For me I wouldn’t care if he was pink with purple pocka dots as long as he was a good strong leader of the people

  70. Foxtrot Says:

    Inspirational, you have to know the exact, full names of both parents. Also, since he was probably not born here, it will not show anything. Good suggestion though. I have used that site before. You pay a nominal fee to join.

  71. Foxtrot Says:

    JAC – I agree

  72. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    Ummm…Foxy—is Arab a race? Excuse me everyone— I’m still stunned over the India thing…

    I have a ‘son’ who is Pakistani muslim and as I’ve said before, my hubby is Jewish. I have about 2000 “black” African friends. and lots of Irish Am. friends too!

    Would not ever want to be racist… hanging my head in shame—

  73. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    inspirational1

    I think someone posted here quite awhile back they tried to trace info on his mother’s side and came up almost completely empty…..
    which is quite strange and adds to the mystery of BO

  74. Foxtrot Says:

    Patty, you don’t have to hang your head in shame. You’re good!

  75. Foxtrot Says:

    His mother did not apply for a social security number until she was 16. That is probably why it is difficult to find anything on her. Then she left the country multiple times after that to live.

  76. Foxtrot Says:

    Very common back then as you did not need your children to have a social security number back then when the parents filed their taxes etc. Now, of course, you do need it right away.

  77. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    patty

    Ob and being Arab, it really only pertains to the context of the Kenyan history….
    it usually is only considered a language

  78. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    Oh Foxy, I LIVE in the heat! My three daughters all voted for Obama! But, we love each other. They liked the idea of having an African American YOUNG man as prez. My hubby is a liberal, though I don’t think he voted for BO. We had a don’t ask don’t tell policy in our house. You just wouldn’t believe the diversity in our family…and I’m always the one that is stirring the pot!

  79. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Fox

    I didn’t have my SS# until I was almost 17…. only then to get a job at Micky D’s

  80. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    Hey, I just read that Granny Dunham was part Cherokee. I’m part Cherokee–maybe BO and I are related! Then I could be eligible to get a copy of that notorious cert. Yeah, I’m dreaming.

    I’m on a sugar high. I baked this awesome Peppermint Candy Cane White Choc. cake for our family gathering Saturday. Hmmmmm….is all I can say.

  81. Foxtrot Says:

    JAC – no Arab is a race and has been for centuries. Our own census bureau is thinking of adding “arab” under the “race” category, but has delayed it since 9/11 for obvious reasons.

  82. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    I come across people blogging I think that would fit right in here…. but I almost hate to mess up a good thing by taken a chance and letting them know about this place

  83. Foxtrot Says:

    Patty, I have three daughters who voted for Obama and a husband who is a registered Republican. We sound like we both have interesting conversations in our households!

  84. Foxtrot Says:

    JAC, you must be in your forties? (in regard to the SS# issue)

  85. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    TM: how many zeros does trillion have? I know, I should know this, but brain can’t figure it..

    I’m trying to figure it out: there are 300 mil. people in the USA, and the gov. just disposed of 2 trillion dollars last month that they won’t account for. Just wondering how much that is per person in the USA.

  86. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    Wow, we could have a get together Foxy, and everyone would have someone to disagree with— I mean agree with!

  87. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    a serious question for everybody.

    How far are you willing to go personally if this really hits the fan in a negative way; that it becomes a civil time of chaos?

  88. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Fox

    I’m 42

  89. Foxtrot Says:

    Here is a post from obamacrimes.com.

    Important Message From Phil Berg’s Assistant, Lisa
    written by Linda Starr, December 03, 2008

    “We learned the Solicitor General is only representing the Federal Election Committee. I contacted the Court today to correct our zip code and to learn if any other attorney’s had entered their appearances on behalf of any of the other Defendants. I was told no, nothing had been filed by any of the Defendants, however, they will give them another week in case they mailed in responses (as long as the responses are postmarked December 1, 200. The Clerk, Heather, I spoke with informed me the Defendants are not required to respond unless ordered by the Court. She further stated that they (the US Supreme Court Clerks) will distribute our Petition for the Writ of Cert to all the Justices and the Justices could Order the Defendants to in fact respond. She said otherwise, the conference should be set within a week or two. As I’m sure you are aware, during the conference the Justices will discuss our Petition for the Writ of Cert and decide whether or not to grant or deny our Petition, etc. It only takes four (4) out of nine (9) Justices to agree to grant Cert.

    In the meantime, we are working on some things to file in attempts to prevent the Electors in the Electoral College from casting any votes in favor of Mr. Obama. Please be patient and we will be posting an update within the next day or two.

    We will post all legal documents we file with the Courts as well as any legal briefs we receive from the Defendants on our website at obamacrimes.com.”

  90. Foxtrot Says:

    JAC — I knew you had to be forty or older as that, I believe, is when they started to require social security numbers. I am 47.

  91. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Fox

    I was even able to start my job without a SS#… I just had to show them I applied..they added the number later when I got it in the mail

  92. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Pep – trillion has 12 – count ’em – TWELVE – zeroes

  93. thinkingmom11 Says:

    I think that would come up to about $6666.6666666666 per person (ok – that is WEIRD)

  94. rhl Says:

    For the record, I’m 38 and didn’t get my SS card til I was 16.

  95. jeanniejo Says:

    Hi, sisterrosetta — my longtime traveling companion — 😉

    I appreciate you much!

    http://www.earthfrisk.com/blog/?p=135

    Hospitals in Hawaii to Obama: You Were Not Born Here!

    and:

    http://www.earthfrisk.com/blog//?p=134

    Shocker: Why Obama WILL NOT Be President in January
    A Clear Conscience is a Soft Pillow

  96. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    mom

    lol…….handing you a brand new tin foil hat…. as I see that mind spinning with all those 6’s …… 🙂

  97. thinkingmom11 Says:

    BUSTED…;)

  98. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    TM, thank you! That is weird! hmmm all those 6’s. You know though, I was noticing that the family who kept that teen shackled. their house address could come out to 18-666, but then I figured mine too–guess what, it could too! I’m moving! Not only that, but when I was working at the McCain Victory center during the elections, my sign in number ended in 666. Geeze… I’m checking the back of my head, just led me rotate it around!

    I knew I hated green pea soup for a reason.

  99. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    You know, if the gov gave every person in the USA 6667.00 it would make a big difference in our economy. They could even give a little bonus if the person agreed to use it to buy a car from one of the big 3 that need bailed out! Kids could use theirs for college and then it would help boost that–

    I would use mine for–you guessed it!

  100. thinkingmom11 Says:

    it really is though 2 trillion divided by 300 million is $6666.66 per person! I think they could have dug this economy better by sending each and every person in the country that money instead! Now THAT would be an economic stimulus!!

    Actually, I don’t think that ESP’s are a good idea generally. People and CORPORATIONS need to be responsible for their actions. The auto corps need to file for Bankruptcy – then they can restructure their management without regard to what the union thinks, they can renegotiate union contracts, get rid of dead wood employees, streamline processes – they will be better for it!

  101. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    OK, to answer my own question from above…..

    I’m a radio operator, so communication is not a problem, I’m also apart of Skywarn (yeah one of those nuts who go out in tornado’s) so I have a week of emergency supplies for all of us and the animals.. guns. rifles and ammo (yeah live with a redneck as a hubby).
    Have a spare antenna that picks up any wireless signal for up to 5 miles….. so internet should be available…
    We also keep a certain amount of ready cash in the safe
    Have wood burner and plenty of firewood.

    so prepared for anything….
    I know my hubby feels like I do about BO and the Chao’s that could happen….. so we are prepared for the worst but hope that we don’t need to.

  102. thinkingmom11 Says:

    What Pep – a new hat!? JK

  103. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Man – we would get almost $40K in our family! I could definitely see some ways to stimulate the ecomony with that Pep!

  104. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    I agree, TM. Let them go bankrupt, and then start over! I mean, if a “normal” American gets behind on their bills, lets a lemon car go back, then their credit is shot. No bailout and no more credit. These big co. just keep on making bad decisions and we keep paying them to make them. I’m sick of it. If I don’t pay my bills, they turn my electric off, cancel my car insurance, take away my satellite and so on and so on. No one ever offered to bail me out!

    I bailed a friend out one time to the tune of about 6,000.00. They needed help and I thought, “This is what I would want someone to do for me. No strings attached.” I can’t see that it helped them at all. I could have done more with the money somewhere else. Some things just have to be “worked through”.

  105. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    Yep, a new hat–with red and silver stripes for the Holidays…

  106. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    be back in just a bit…. have to do some paperwork for the hubby

  107. thinkingmom11 Says:

    I gotta go take care of schooling issues with the kids and then hit the grocery store AGAIN…man, kids have to eat EVERY DAY! heehee

  108. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    I gotta go get the tree ready to put up…means breaking ice from the bucket it’s standing in…oiy!

    Last year, we had Direct TV and they had an all Chanukah station throughout the season. It was so nice. Now, we have Dish, and while they have a “holiday” station (music), there’s no Chanukah station. I’ve got my fingers crossed that come Dec 22 they will have one.

    Ok.. you all hold down the fort and if you get the chance–save the country while I’m gone—

    bbl

  109. Foxtrot Says:

    Okay, who is still here. I had to clean the house a bit as we are having guests tonight for wine/beer and dessert . . . and of course, a raucous game of Sequence!

  110. rosettasister Says:

    jeanniejo Says:
    December 3, 2008 at 6:39 pm

    Hi, sisterrosetta — my longtime traveling companion — 😉

    I appreciate you much!

    ———————-

    Hey, jj!

    Thanks for the links!

  111. Foxtrot Says:

    I truly have a hunch that the SCOTUS will rule in favor of one of these cases. I think, after all this hoopla, they will want to at least see his college records and his vault version of his birth certificate–just to be sure.

  112. j.b. Says:

    Things that make me go hmmmmmmmm……I just found this at Citizen Wells via freerepublic, I guess;

    There is no record of Obama’s birth at any Hawaii hospital and no record for Obama’s mother at any
    Hawaii hospital.

    “Hospitals in Hawaii to Obama: You Were Not Born Here!
    Earth Frisk”

    “It is becoming painfully obvious that we may very well have a criminal President in 2009. No this isn’t a joke. What I speak of is the curious developments in the supposedly racist, biased, dumb, as well as insane case of where Obama was born. Why the Barack Obama Birth Certificate Issue Is Legitimate

    A strange development indeed is how it is that every time Barack Obama or a family member tells of where Obama was born, they seem to have no idea as of December 2008.

    They seemed to know what hospital quite a few times months ago when it was claimed that Obama’s mother gave birth to him at Queens Medical Center in Honolulu – Obama and Mom Never Here

    The Queen’s Medical Center
    1301 Punchbowl StreetHonolulu, HI 96813 Link to Site
    Phone number 808-538-9011 General Medical Records 808-547-4361.

    After it was concluded that Obama and his mother were never there, his sister was in an interview (Mary) and claimed that Obama was born at Kapiolani Medical Center for Women and Children – Obama and Mom Never Here 1319 Punahou StreetHonolulu, Hawaii 96826(808) 535-7000 Link to site

    Hospital after Hospital – all Have No Record of Obama being born or Mom Ever being There.
    Hospital after hospital in Honolulu all have NO RECORD of Obama or mother ever being there. Is this some state secret? Are we to believe that even the hospital that he was born in should remain secret? Why lie to us as if it matters I mean the man did win the Presidential vote? Why the lies and secrecy?

    We already know that Obama’s family and the entire nation of Kenya (which is about to have a national holiday for Obama) know that Barack Obama was born in Mombasa Coastal Hospital in Kenya. The government of Kenya has sealed these records. More and more secrecy due to the fact that once proven, Obama will not be constitutionally allowed to become President of the United States!

    All of these were called from November 20 – December 2nd 2008. It is confirmed, OBAMA not born in any hospital in Honolulu County! NONE FACT!
    Hospitals you can check yourself

    The Queen’s Medical Center – Honolulu, Hawaii Obama claims as his birth hospital

    Kapi’ olani Medical Center Obama’s sister claims Barack Obama born here
    Honolulu Shriners Hospital Never a patient Mom or Obama
    Straub Clinic & Hospital Never a patient Mom or Obama
    Hawaii Health Systems Corporation – Honolulu, Hawaii Never a patient Mom or Obama
    Cancer Institute of Maui – Wailuku, Hawaii No Comment ???

    Kuakini Hospital – Honolulu, Hawaii Never a patient Mom or Obama
    Rehabilitation Hospital of the Pacific – Honolulu, Hawaii Never a patient Mom or Obama
    St. Francis Healthcare System of Hawaii – Hawaii Never a patient Mom or Obama
    Straub Heatlh – Honolulu, Hawaii Never a patient Mom or Obama
    Tripler Medical Center – Honolulu, Hawaii Never a patient Mom or Obama
    Wahiawa General Hospital – Wahiawa, Hawaii Never a patient Mom or Obama
    Wilcox Memorial Hospital – Lihue, Kauai, Hawaii Never a patient Mom or Obama
    We were pretty detailed in our calls. You can look at every hospital here and call any of them. You can file freedom of information acts, you can do everything and anything you wish. Barack Obama was never born in a hospital in Hawaii as claimed.

    Only his original that he has sealed will have this info. Will the Supreme Court force it open and thus preserve the Constitution of the United States?”

    Read more here:

    .freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2141909/posts

    And on and on it goes……….Barack Hussein Omama must be stopped.

  113. Foxtrot Says:

    I would be so happy if SCOTUS declared a “stay” on the Electoral College until Obama proved his citizenship. Have you seen Obama lately? He is very forlorn and stressed.

  114. j.b. Says:

    (twitch,,,tic,,,,twitch,,,tic,,,twitch,,,tic,,,twitch,,,)…;0)

    Stole that (above)from freerepublic, but I like it! I Wanna add, tick tock, tick tock your time is running out Obamalamadingdong!

    This will NOT go away.

    Anyone know what “ping” means on the message board at freerepublic? (or anywhere for that matter)

  115. Tucker82254 Says:

    jb, “ping” means they’re alerting other members to a particular thread.

  116. thinkingmom11 Says:

    OK checking back in – over at NBC someone is asking for documentation that O has paid lawyers to keep from having to release his BC. Can someone provide this guy some info – I can’t look it up right now but would like his question to be answered. Obviously he has to pay lawyers to deal with the suits (duh) but if there are articles etc. that might help him out…

  117. j.b. Says:

    Would if I could, Mom, but I’m off to do an “emergency” cut/color!
    Tata~

  118. Foxtrot Says:

    It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that one good attorney can range anywhere from $400-$700 per hour. I know my husband uses several attorneys for his business. The one from Chicago charges $450 per hour. I am certain that Obama’s big guns cost more than that. Again, it doesn’t take long for it all to add up. I think the $500,000 figure came from obamacrimes.com website.

  119. j.b. Says:

    Okay, thanks, Tucker. 🙂

  120. Foxtrot Says:

    Just remembered where I saw that figure! One of the bloggers accessed Obama’s campaign expenses (since they are made public) and he had that figure listed under “campaign attorney expenses”.

  121. rosettasister Says:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2141341/posts

    To: little jeremiah

    Why don’t you freepmail Polarik and ask him some questions about his trainging and education if you’re so interested?

    PhD in Instructional Media + 25 years of post-Doctoral work

    MS in Instructional Psychology + 3 years of post-Masters work

    Any questions?

    57 posted on Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:08:00 PM by Polarik

  122. jeanniejo Says:

    Just love this video, sister – my regards and special thanks to AnnieSweetieOakley for a stunning video —

    http://www.youtube.com/user/AnnieSweetieOakley

    Transparency: an open letter to Barack Obama

  123. oo12oo Says:

    PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    December 3, 2008 at 5:49 pm
    Hmmm. They cremate Granny, right? So, now how would they prove or disprove that Stanley was his biological mom? Not that I don’t think she was, but it seems so fishy that granny died the day before the elections. BO hasn’t even been to HI to visit since her death–even to the memorial that was held for her there. Has the man no heart? The one woman that was his only real “parent”, the one who scraped and saved to put him through the best school available? He can’t even pay a cursory visit? I mean, his sister didn’t attend his acceptance grand ceremony! She stayed in HI because Granny died? But, big brother couldn’t make it back… I know, I’m belaboring the point.. I just don’t get it. Let me get my tin hat back on so I can think without all of those rays coming in!

    Hi Susan,

    How do you know if President-elect Barack Obama did or didn’t take a PRIVATE jet out to HI to spend some PRIVATE moments memoralizing his beloved grandmother? Because he may have paid his respects in PRIVATE doesn’t mean it did not happen. You’re a sharp and bright person, Susan, so I hope that you will agree that not many of us would want a throng of strangers (media, cameras, etc) on hand while we are trying to share a PRIVATE tribute with someone we loved. I trust that Mr. Obama simply has already paid his respects but did so PRIVATELY. Other than that, Susan, hope you’re having a great day lady.

    Al

  124. Foxtrot Says:

    Al, you are incorrect. Obama was quoted as saying he would be going to pay his respects in about a month. He is in no hurry to say goodbye to Granny!

  125. oo12oo Says:

    PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    December 3, 2008 at 6:01 pm
    Foxy, I’m sorry, but Al would be the one with that honorable position, of being tolerated. You, we just adore. You see, we can be diverse here–as long as you all agree that I’m the prettiest———

    ha ha… Just kidding!

    BTW…who stole my avatar! Is that dang doggone API monitor lurking about here?

    ***********************************************************

    Okay, Susan, so if I’m being tolerated as you say, answer this one simple question: Why do you still believe President-elect Obama isn’t eligible to hold the presidency of the United States of America? Tolerance to me would be you having an open mind to the possibility that if the Federal Bureau of Investigations (FBI), and all other federal agencies tasked with securing America’s future from harm’s way, doesn’t have any stated issues with Mr. Obama, why should any of us, Susan? Is the FBI blind, deaf and dumb? Of course, not. Mr. Obama simply doesn’t present a “clear and present danger” to the United States of America.

    Agreed, I enjoy Foxtrot’s post too and she at least puts country before party–admirable indeed; however, Mr. Obama as far as the federal agencies are concerned isn’t a fraud or imposter. The man just won a Democratic election for Pete’s sake!

    Al

  126. oo12oo Says:

    Foxtrot,

    Thank you for enlightening me to the truth. Peace. See there, Susan, the president-elect IS going to pay his proper respect. So there–sticking out tongue and rubbing it in for good measure!

    Al

    bbl

  127. Foxtrot Says:

    Al, several months back someone who had an “in” with the FBI contacted them to ask if they vetted Obama in any way. The answer was a resounding “no”. They went on further to state that it was not under their jurisdiction to do so and that was the Political Parties’ responsibility. The fact is that in 2006, Axelrod and Obama forced Hawaii, Obama’s college’s, his medical records, everything, to be sealed under penalty of legal action. That is exactly what has happened. This is one of those cases where everyone assumed everyone else did the checking! We have simply never had to worry about questioning where someone was born before. It is really as simple as that.

  128. rosettasister Says:

    Reposting — This was in moderation.

    jeanniejo Says:
    December 3, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    Just love this video, sister – my regards and special thanks to AnnieSweetieOakley for a stunning video —

    http://www.youtube.com/user/AnnieSweetieOakley

    Transparency: an open letter to Barack Obama

  129. sliderblaze Says:

    So i guess according to al, if someone is just simply elected, without meeting the 3 requirements for president, THEN WHY HAVE THE 3 REQUIReMENTS?!!!

    If this issue woulda been handled way back in June, he may have not been elected at all.

  130. rosettasister Says:

    “Whole Lotta Bloggin’ Goin’ On”

    http://larrysinclair-0926.blogspot.com/2008/12/can-we-expect-dodd-edwards-kucinich.html

    http://hydepark.hevre.co.il/topic.asp?topic_id=2528802&forum_id=99

    http://thefreedomfellowship.blogspot.com/2008/12/fed-ex-letters-to-supreme-court-are.html

    http://artfreedomandhappiness.blogspot.com/2008/12/obama-still-refuses-to-provide-original.html

    http://hellomichigan.blogspot.com/2008/12/print-tv-ads-demand-citizenship-proof.html

    http://moeissuesoftheday.blogspot.com/2008/12/obama-feels-so-good.html

    http://tedmathis.blogspot.com/2008/12/alan-keyes-tells-us-why-he-questions.html

    http://topshelf51.wordpress.com/2008/12/02/revolution-against-misogyny/

    http://tyrannywatch.com/2008/12/ron-polarik-phd-final-report-of-obamas-colb-forged-images-phony-photos-and-felony-fraud/

    http://pressing4truth.blogspot.com/2008/12/wake-up-america_03.html

    http://cms.animalfarmshow.com/?p=387

    http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=51423

  131. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    Well, cause Al, the plans are that he will return to HI for a memorial service in December. Given that the MSM is in the pckt for Mr. Obama, I trust everything they say about him.

    Don’t go getting snooty with me, Mr. Al Moniker.

  132. Foxtrot Says:

    I just posted this on the nbc website. It is awaiting moderation. I just wanted you all to understand how difficult this entire situation has been for me, as a loyal Democrat.

    (should be noted that the posting starting with “see my previous post” is not mine. Thanks for clarifying that Barleyman) Barleyman, you don’t think those of us who have been researching this feel like we are in the “shadows” and that people will think we are crazy? Of course we do. However, we are willing to fight for the document in which our entire government was founded upon. I am willing to forego party to ask the tough questions and pursue information relative to this case, instead of following blindly as some do. Personally, as a loyal Democrat, this has been tough for me. I believe in my Democratic Principles with every fiber of my being. However, I am not going to trample all over the Constitution by looking the other way, when my gut and months of research is telling me this guy is not who he appears to be! The worst I can be accused of is wanting to protect our Constitution. It is quite simple. Obama could make this all go away, if he has nothing to hide, by releasing his college transcripts and allowing his long version of his birth certificate to be looked at by experts. It would take a simple phone call for him to do both. He won’t do it because he has too much at stake now and the lie has gotten too big! I dreamed of a man of color or a woman as President, I just don’t want to crush the Constitution to do so!

  133. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    You know, flattery will get you nowhere around here… we know you! WE have seen your more devilish side, Mr. Moniker, and we know what you are capable of— but we still call you as one of our own:)

    Now, given that Mr. Obama didn’t try to hide dashing off down during the election, one could speculate that since he’s been on TV everyday since the overthrowing of the American Government that he hasn’t been anywhere that the press hasn’t been. I mean, come on Al, we’ve seen him coming out of the gym, or going into the gym almost every day this week. At least he will be a healthy man while he’s doing his time in a Fed. Prison (you missed the change of my tin hat, I’m sure :o)

  134. Ksinde. Says:

    Hi All…. When you say just posted on NBC, do u mean NBC tv station?

  135. Foxtrot Says:

    No Ksinde, the link provided above.

  136. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    And another thing…if I do recall, when Mr. Obama flew down to HI to visit Granny before her untimely and most unusual passing (given that she’s had several times of death noted) he did fly one of the smaller US commercial flights. That was a nice little touch, I do have to say so myself. Given that he wasn’t seeking “privacy” then, why would that change so quickly? Come on, Al. You didn’t really have another glass of the stuff did you?

  137. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Ks – here it is:

    nbcchicago.com/news/local/Doubts-Linger-About-Obamas-Citizenship.html#58dmw8zFkXqcGnMUE6ygPvQ0rbq1EgOxpPuZaiMPdDeShojJGvYSFa7kIsOeO4_pHY442yAwMD

  138. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    Geeze Al, can’t you play nice–no sticking out tongues and all that stuff! I thought that bots were not getting paid anymore, but here you are. Well, what to do with you now.

    Al, given promises of payment, some sector of the American public is willing to sell their souls–

    That wasn’t directed at anyone–just saying that just because the blind leading the blind are directed into a hole, doesn’t mean that it’s the right place to be…

  139. rosettasister Says:

    “Take Them At Their Word Before It’s Too Late.”

    http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2008/12/03/take-them-at-their-word-before-it%e2%80%99s-too-late-deeds-count-too/

    EXCERPT

    Do westerners really have any idea what Muslims are saying about America, Israel, and the West? And about women, including their own sisters, especially their own sisters? Try this on for “tone.” These comments appeared at Al-Jazeera as the Mumbai massacre was ongoing on Wed., Nov. 26, 2008.

    “The Zionists may number 6 million but their power to control the US, the Middle East, the Russians, the Chinese and even the powerful Lithuanians is amazing to watch. All the worlds suffering is directly because of them. These six million people must be super-beings to be able to control us all.”
    “This (the massacre in Mumbai) is a clear Amerizionist ploy to enhance their war gainst Muslims and Islam. The aim of the ploy is to create hatred between Muslims and Hindus in India.”

    In a pamphlet, “Why Are We Waging Jihad?,” Lashkar-e-Taiba listed their goals. We have just seen how these goals were implemented in Mumbai. Their goals: “To eliminate evil and facilitate conversion to and practice of Islam; To ensure the ascendancy of Islam; To force non-Muslims to pay jizya (poll tax, paid by non-Muslims for protection from a Muslim ruler); To assist the weak and powerless; To avenge the blood of Muslims killed by unbelievers; To punish enemies for breaking promises and treaties; To defend a Muslim state; and To liberate Muslim territories under non-Muslim occupation.”

  140. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    Foxy, thank you for setting Al straight about not paying his respects yet to Granny Dunham.

    I leave for a moment and you see what happens! I get attacked like a little piece of candy stuck on the bottom of someone’s shoe!

  141. Foxtrot Says:

    I;ve got your back, Patty!

  142. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    Thanks for that Rosie. When I was India, I hired a driver who is Muslim. I still have his bc (buisness card, not birth cert!) for my next trip back to Hyderabad. I lived in a mud village surrounded by Hindi and Muslims and Christians. My driver told me that most Muslims there have no problem with Christians, because we believe in the God of Abraham. However, he said that Hindi were difficult to understand because everything was “god” to them. Just the perspective from this very kind and helpful young man that I spent a lot of time with. I trusted all of my “worldly possesions” to him, as it was impossible to carry everything on my person–(especially on the days I went shopping!) My experience in India was one of love and acceptance. The Indian people that I met loved Americans and it was their desire to come to America. The jihadist are radicals–they are rare in the millions of peace loving people. But, they make a horrendous mess of peace and life and everything that is good wherever they go!

  143. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    Thanks, Foxy. It gets a little dangerous around here sometimes. Those little word bombs start falling!

  144. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    Just to set the record straight:

    My entire family is/was democrats. My mother (until this year) has never voted anything but the party. My fav. cousin is in the NC House–a Dem. of course. He was our hometown sherriff for so many years and for about 7 years he was voted most popular person in town, by unanimous vote almost!

    When I was about 5 my dad was murdered by the local constable–a republican. It was “the republicans” that covered my dad’s murder up. I grew up with such utter disdain for republicans, that to me it was like a curse word to call someone a republican.

    But, then there came a matter called partial-birth abortion. I had to change how I voted and then other things forced me to change sides. I never vote “party” I vote for the person who I think best represents what I believe in and will help us to be the country that I want to live in and want my grandkids to live in.

    I love America, having been in places where they don’t know the blessed lives we live with the freedoms we have. My grandfathers, my dad and step dad, and my two older brothers fought for this country–I would too!

    So, Democrat or Rep. I could care less. It’s just like race to me–it’s just a way to describe our differences–not our similarities!

  145. Ksinde. Says:

    Ok, that NBC site really p*ssed me off!!! Great post from my fellow Rosetta bloggers!!! Rosetta’s Gang Rocks!!! lol

    I just posted this and is in moderation:

    Reading this blog gets me so angry!!!

    This should be a JOYOUS time in our life. Sometimes I have to say it over and over to believe it> A black man has won the election, a black man has won the election…Wow… I really did not think america on a whole was ready for this, I never thought i would see this in my life time. but it happened. I wish i could fully embrace this, what a shame this hisorical moment is ruined by the cloud of unknown that is called Barack Obama. How dare he tarnish this history making event, how dare he steal the joy and celebration from me!!!

    Obama is not a NBC, either is McCain. Neither can be POTUS. Why do some people turn their backs to this fact? No true patriot could turn their back to this. It is what it is, no conspirecy. Our founding fathers made this very clear, you must be a NBC to be POTUS. Obama’s father was a Kenyan and British citizen (this is a fact and is on Obama’s Fight the Smears website), therefore Obama can NOT be a NBC. Obama has dual loyalties. Why is that so hard to understand??? Can someone please tell me why you can not wrap your brain around that???

  146. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    KSinde, take a deep breath!

  147. ChattyKathy Says:

    Sorry I have been lurking for weeks now and have not introduced myself. I have found your blog very informative. Thank you very much for being here.

    I just received a email from my senator and needed to pass it along. This was in response to the letter I sent him asking for help in getting Barry to reveal his sealed birth certificate. I should’ve guessed this would be his answer.

    Anyway, it is posted below. Thanks for letting me lurk :)))

    Dear Mrs.

    Thank you for contacting me. I appreciate hearing from
    you and welcome this opportunity to respond.

    As you may know, Hawaii became a state on August 21st,
    1959. President-elect Barack Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961,
    making him a United States citizen at birth under the first section
    of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution. President-elect
    Obama’s birth certificate has been made public, and is widely
    available online. This document has been authenticated by a
    variety of sources, including the Hawaii Department of Health and
    the Annenberg Public Policy Center.

    I hope this information proves useful to you. If I can be of
    assistance to you in any other matters, please do not hesitate to
    contact me.

    Sincerely,

    Herb Kohl
    U.S. Senator

  148. hockeyfan530 Says:

    why isn’t McCain eligible? Weren’t his parent’s considered “ambassadors” of the united states? and then grandfathered in?

    Personally, I don’t care if McCain isn’t eligible as long as Obama isn’t either. I can’t think of too many persons that would be worse than B.Odamilied

  149. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    Ksinde, I’ve heard this twice today, so I’m going to ask you. Why is McCain not NBC? I thought the law surrounding military base, two parents who are citizens covered him. Is there something I’ve missed?

    I vote Huckabee–cept, I think Huckabee might be too gentle a person to be POTUS. Hate to say that, but I think it is going to take someone with some brass somewhere on his/her person. I would vote Hillary, but she’s just too darned liberal for me! (sorry Foxy–)

  150. Ksinde. Says:

    lol pep…. but on a serious note, i am so sorry about your father…the loss is hard enough to take, but a cover up on top of it… so sorry

  151. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    Thanks K. The cover-up was a life-long torture for my oldest brother, until the day he passed on over to God’s good glorious land! It hurt our family, my sister and my brothers, and my mom. I think eventually it made me stronger–but it took a long time! And, I’ve forgiven the man who did the deed–the best that I can–his soul is in God’s hand, and I can only pray for mercy for him.

    That Al, he likes to hit and run. Must be a hard job being a “bot”–

  152. Ksinde. Says:

    Pep, McCain was born in Panama. The Constitution says he is not a citizen. now there is a statute (sp) that makes him a NBC. But that statute means squat because it would take an amendment to make him a NBC.

  153. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    That Al, he changes Monikers more than most of us change our calendars! He must be trying not to leave a trail of crumbs. It’s hard to track someone with so many monikers. Hmmmm so much to hide–

    He must really work for Barry–they must have a lot in common–hiding behind so many different identities!

  154. Ksinde. Says:

    Pep, what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger!!!

    I like Al, he is a civil bot, he has an open mind. We can have a healthy informed debate with him. That is when he is not hit and running…lol

  155. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Hey hockeyfan this might help
    ____________________

    The United States Department of State’s Foreign Affairs Manual at 7FAM1116.1-4(c):

    “Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to U.S. jurisdiction and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth.”
    The Constitution confers three types of citizen status:

    – “natural born citizen”, but only with regard to eligibility to hold the office of President
    – “citizen” to those born in the United States via the 14th Amendment
    – “citizen” to those naturalized in the United States via the 14th amendment

    John McCain was neither born on United States soil, nor was he naturalized. He is a citizen at birth by statute. This is discussed in the Foreign Affairs Manual:

    7 FAM 1131.6-3 Not Citizens by “Naturalization”

    Section 201(g) NA and section 301(g) INA (formerly section 301(a)(7) INA) both specify that naturalization is “the conferring of nationality of a state upon a person after birth.” Clearly, then, Americans who acquired their citizenship by birth abroad to U.S. citizens are not considered naturalized citizens under either act. (Emphasis added.)
    McCain is in the class of citizens who obtain their citizenship at birth, but not from the Constitution, but rather federal statute. In Rogers v. Bellei, 401 U.S. 815, 828 (1971). The Supreme Court stated:

    …[C]children born abroad of Americans are not citizens within the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment.”… “To this day, the Constitution makes no provision for jus sanguinis, or citizenship by descent… “Our law in this area follows English concepts with an acceptance of the jus soli, that is, that the place of birth governs citizenship status except as modified by statute.” Id. at 828.

  156. Troy Says:

    Ksinde. Says:

    December 3, 2008 at 9:19 pm
    Pep, McCain was born in Panama. The Constitution says he is not a citizen. now there is a statute (sp) that makes him a NBC. But that statute means squat because it would take an amendment to make him a NBC.
    ————————————————————
    This post is inaccurate…The answer to the McCain question was posted earlier in the thread….scroll up!!!!

  157. Foxtrot Says:

    In addition, Patty, upon further research I found out McCain was not actually born on base. He was born in a hospital in town. Therefore, if you follow the strictest interpretation of the Constitution, he would not be an American citizen. I personally think it is a travesty that anyone serving in the military abroad would not be considered “natural born” as it is not their fault they were deployed abroad, in service to our country, but right now there is not portion of the Constitution that accepts that argument.

  158. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    Yes, K, you know that Al is my fav bot. I don’t know how open is mind is–sieves are pretty open—all over– so are broken windows, mouths of caves, empty cans, empty bottles, —

  159. hockeyfan530 Says:

    Hey, works for me. Whatever it takes to make Obama not eligible. Not too many people out there would be scarier than B. Odamilied

  160. rosettasister Says:

    ChattyKathy Says:
    December 3, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    ——————-

    Welcome, Kathy!

    You should be able to post at will now.

    Rosetta

  161. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    hockeyfan, did you have a different moniker? I recog. the doggy.

  162. Foxtrot Says:

    Ksinde — thanks for the wink/nod!
    _________________

    Ksinde. Says:

    December 3, 2008 at 9:04 pm
    Ok, that NBC site really p*ssed me off!!! Great post from my fellow Rosetta bloggers!!! Rosetta’s Gang Rocks!!! lol

  163. Foxtrot Says:

    Hi ChattyKathy! I used to call my girls that when they were little because they talked constantly!!

  164. Troy Says:

    McCain question answered: compliments of JAC
    ————————————————————

    justanamericancindy4 Says:

    December 3, 2008 at 3:33 pm
    The United States Department of State’s Foreign Affairs Manual at 7FAM1116.1-4(c):

    “Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to U.S. jurisdiction and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth.”
    The Constitution confers three types of citizen status:

    – “natural born citizen”, but only with regard to eligibility to hold the office of President
    – “citizen” to those born in the United States via the 14th Amendment
    – “citizen” to those naturalized in the United States via the 14th amendment

    John McCain was neither born on United States soil, nor was he naturalized. He is a citizen at birth by statute. This is discussed in the Foreign Affairs Manual:

    7 FAM 1131.6-3 Not Citizens by “Naturalization”

    Section 201(g) NA and section 301(g) INA (formerly section 301(a)(7) INA) both specify that naturalization is “the conferring of nationality of a state upon a person after birth.” Clearly, then, Americans who acquired their citizenship by birth abroad to U.S. citizens are not considered naturalized citizens under either act. (Emphasis added.)
    McCain is in the class of citizens who obtain their citizenship at birth, but not from the Constitution, but rather federal statute. In Rogers v. Bellei, 401 U.S. 815, 828 (1971). The Supreme Court stated:

    …[C]children born abroad of Americans are not citizens within the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment.”… “To this day, the Constitution makes no provision for jus sanguinis, or citizenship by descent… “Our law in this area follows English concepts with an acceptance of the jus soli, that is, that the place of birth governs citizenship status except as modified by statute.” Id. at 828.

  165. Josh Says:

    JUST FYI…THE CONGRESS DECIDES IF ELECTORAL VOTES ARE CAST. THIS IS FROM THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE WEBSITE

    This week’s question:
    Who verifies if a candidate is qualified to run for President?
    Answer:
    The Office of the Federal Register at the National Archives and Records Administration administers the Electoral College process, which takes place after the November general election. The Office of the Federal Register does not have the authority to handle issues related to the general election, such as candidate qualifications. People interested in this issue may wish to contact their state election officials or their Congressional Representatives.
    Because the process of qualifying for the election and having a candidate’s name put on the ballot varies from state to state, you should contact your state’s top election officer for more information. In most states, the Secretary of State is the official responsible for oversight of state elections, including the presidential election. Visit the National Secretaries of State web site to locate contact information and web addresses for the Secretary of State from each state and the District of Columbia.
    Under federal law an objection to a state’s electoral votes may be made to the President of the Senate during Congress’s counting of electoral votes in January. The objection must be made in writing and signed by at least one Senator and one member of the House of Representatives. Both the Senate and the House of Representatives debate the objection separately. Debate is limited to two hours. After the debate, both the Senate and the House of Representatives rejoin and both must agree to reject the votes.
    http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/questions.html

  166. hockeyfan530 Says:

    Pepper,
    I’ve had the hound dog as my moniker since i’ve been on this site

  167. Ksinde. Says:

    Troy, geez…

    I wrote: now there is a statute (sp) that makes him a NBC…..

    i should have wrote Citizen instead of NBC.

  168. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Should McCain be able to be President……..yes
    but at the moment the laws do not reflect that…..

    the laws need changed to include the infants of the Millitary who return to the US after their service is complete.

  169. Ksinde. Says:

    Fox… wink wink-nod nod and most importantly…… be aggressive, be be aggrressive!

  170. Ksinde. Says:

    Cindy…I agree!

  171. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    Troy, where are we to “scroll Up” to? Just want to make sure that I’m reading the correct reference.

    I have less trouble with McCain not having been born on the soil, given that he so many times literally laid down his life for our country. I think that there is a big dif reg. his birth than reg. Obama’s. McCain was never a citizen of another country, to my knowledge. He hasn’t been adopted into citizenship of another country either. He was tortured for 5 years for being a citizen and soldier of this country.

    BO on the other hand, is a mystery man. He’s what we call “a pig in a poke” here in the south. (Not calling Citizen Obama a Pig—) just saying that’s the term we use when we are getting something that we don’t know what it is–she said in her favorite southern drawl!

  172. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    Hey Chatty,

    I had a Chatty Cathy doll when I was a kid! I loved her so–then my brothers tore her head off!

    l don’t think you have to worry about that around here–we are a pretty civil gang–except Al.

  173. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    make note of this part……. IF BO was born in Kenya…….these also proves that OB’s mother could not of gave him automatic citizenship….. right??
    ____________________

    …[C]children born abroad of Americans are not citizens within the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment.”… “To this day, the Constitution makes no provision for jus sanguinis, or citizenship by descent… “Our law in this area follows English concepts with an acceptance of the jus soli, that is, that the place of birth governs citizenship status except as modified by statute.” Id. at 828.

  174. Foxtrot Says:

    Ksinde – LOL!! 😉

  175. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    K –we don’t care if you say NBC or Citizen–we all know what you meant!—cept Troy.. Troy, didn’t you know what she meant?

  176. Foxtrot Says:

    Ksinde – UglyinLA is on your back on the nbc site!!! Ouch! Go get him!

  177. hockeyfan530 Says:

    there certainly is a huge difference being out of the country because you are ordered to be there vs. someone choosing to go out of the country. Doesn’t seem fair although, like I said, I’ll take the compromise. Wasn’t a big fan of McCain either just better, and by better I mean 1000% better, than the “one”

  178. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Hockeyfan

    I agree it’s not fair…… but are picking at the absolute of the laws to get BO tossed out on his hind end,…we have to play fair and let those same laws apply to everyone..

  179. Troy Says:

    PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    December 3, 2008 at 9:50 pm
    K –we don’t care if you say NBC or Citizen–we all know what you meant!—cept Troy.. Troy, didn’t you know what she meant?
    ————————————————————
    Obviously I didn’t or I would not have taken the time to go find the earlier post…I can’t read minds.

  180. oo12oo Says:

    PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    December 3, 2008 at 9:48 pm
    Hey Chatty,

    I had a Chatty Cathy doll when I was a kid! I loved her so–then my brothers tore her head off!

    l don’t think you have to worry about that around here–we are a pretty civil gang–except Al.

    ************************************************************

    Correction, Susan, we are all pretty civil in here. Sorry about your lil’ doll dear…gold medals for all of your brothers.

    Al

  181. Jen Says:

    Foxtrot says: Patty – Something like that! I honestly don’t care that he is of Arab descent, if he was a “natural born” citizen. I dont’ get hung up on religion or race as others on some other blogs do. My kids were taught not to see color and they don’t. My main concern is anyone who has no emotional ties, is not natural born, and who has lied and cheated his way to the White House, may have access to our biggest secrets. Anyone who has that many secrets scares me, as other countries could discover them and use them as leverage against him. This puts our country at great risk!

    Oh my dear God, do you actually hear what you are saying? He’s not of ‘arab descent’. Please explain what makes him ‘of arab descent’?

  182. Troy Says:

    This was posted in comments at TexasDarlin
    ————————————————————-

    C.R.
    reposting this from the Open Thread:

    Well, up here in Sacramento, things are chugging along. We’ve got three briefs ready to go (and they’re all applicable to multiple states) – I’d go into more details on those but it would not be prudent.

    There are two factions amongst the people working on this (and I mean that across the country, not the office we’re at). One is that he was born in Kenya, based on a lack of evidence. But we’re of the firm belief in the Canadian birth. Why? Well, looks like there may be a document coming out of Washington state, of all places, SIGNED by his mother. We haven’t seen it, but looks like that item is coming down to America via a Southern state (I heard Alabama, then I heard Florida). So much so, that a rep from one of the S of S offices (one like me, a former hack, not someone on payroll) went up there to confirm before bringing it down.

    We’ve had great support from some in Hawaii, who have been able to gain some access to the hospital records. Nothing seems complete, and again this is what I’ve heard not directly but from those who have been in on this much longer than I, that the hospital fiasco is based on one hospital knowing the other didn’t have the record and wanting to look like the birthplace – for money or donations, what have you. That all seems to be a mess, but the HI folks haven’t been able to turn up anything that would SUPPORT Obama – and the funny thing is, that “BC” we’ve seen out of HI doesn’t even match similar records from the SAME DAY!

  183. Ksinde. Says:

    Look at this post this punk wrote to me on NBC:

    UglyinLA 10 minutes ago FLAG COMMENT Yo Ksinde. A black man has won the election? You mean a man with black skin has won the election, right? I hate to break the bad news to you, but as a percentage of black, Barack is not black. Unless you are judging him solely by the color of his skin. But I always thought that was a wrong thing to do. But now its okay again to start judging people by skin color. Thanks for that. By the way, you must be thrilled about the high ranking blacks in the Bush administration and in our judicial system. For example, a black woman represents the interests of the United States to the entire world. Her name is Dr. Condoleezza Rice . A black man is a Supreme Court Justice, the highest position obtainable in the US Judicial System. Oh wait, they’re conservatives. That means they’re not black enough. I guess Barack’s five percent liberal blackness is blacker than either of those two. How good of you to point that out.

    I wrote back to him:

    UgyinLA…R u kidding me? Get over yourself would you…so typical you jumped on the race card and not the real issue here., the facts that I laid out to you about his citizenship>>>pounce and deflect the real topic at hand = denial!

    No I mean a black man, r u saying that I can’t say that now…sry i didn’t get that memo. i am under the understanding that if you have “african american” (is that better?) in your blood you r considered black.

    i am not talking about Condi, Powell or Thomas here, i am talking about POTUS, stop deflecting. …”they r conservative, they r not black enough” What the heck r u talking about?!? Did I post on another thread or is this still the eligibility thread???

  184. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    K Dear, he picked a fight with the wrong lady! You got get him, and if you need back up—real good back up, take JAC with you! I’ll come along if you need someone to sweet talk him, but it sounds like he needs a —well, I don’t know what he needs, but you go girl!

  185. Ksinde. Says:

    “But we’re of the firm belief in the Canadian birth”

    What???? This is a first for me hearing this…wow…anyone have more infor on this?

  186. Ksinde. Says:

    lol pep…thanks… I hate when people pull the race card! it’s like when all else fails…… pull the race card.

  187. Foxtrot Says:

    Ksinde – I saw your post on the nbc site. Good goin’! I posted as the “anonymous” person twice. I figure it will lend more credibility to our argument if it appears to be coming from many sources. “My Momma didn’t raise no fools!”

  188. Troy Says:

    Ksinde. Says:

    December 3, 2008 at 10:05 pm
    “But we’re of the firm belief in the Canadian birth”

    What???? This is a first for me hearing this…wow…anyone have more infor on this?
    ————————————————————
    It is another theory that has been around for a long time…It just isn’t talked about as much as the Kenyan theory

  189. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    K– are you telling me Condi is a black? And here all this time I just thought she was a woman! That UglyinRa ain’t right. and, Powell, and Clarence? I gotta get some glasses—and at my young age alreay!

  190. Foxtrot Says:

    Ksinde- Yes, one of Obama’s mothers friends states that Obama and his mother came to visit her in Canada right at the time of his birth. Mysteriously she was shut up by “you know who” and no one has heard from her again. It was on several blogs months ago. I dismissed it. Didn’t seem credible to me because she would have had to have flown virtually hours before she delivered and airlines didn’t allow it back then.

  191. Troy Says:

    Ksinde,
    Just Google: Obama born in Canada

  192. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Depends on where in Can. he was born. She was supposedly in school in Washington at the time wasn’t she? Wouldn’t have been too far a flight to some places in CAN…

  193. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    K– they pull the race card cause that’s the only one they know. They look through those dark colored glasses and all they see is race– it colors everything they see– they don’t realize that the rest of us took those glasses off a long time ago–we try to see people for who they are–

    Now, there may be other things that “color” how we see, like politics or religion or culture– but really, there isn’t any such thing as race. It’s all made up by man…or woman (but I don’t think women had that much say back then!–had to be a man)

  194. Foxtrot Says:

    Mom – No, they disproved that “in school” theory a while back. She was registered for classes, but did not show up. That is where the confusion was. It was verified with her college.

  195. Ksinde. Says:

    this crew is too funny…everyone has the best sense of humor!

    wow, i really never heard of that canadian story…and the plot thickens!

    ok need to feed my kids. mom…lol… i saw your comment about going to the market and them eating more then once a day…i feel your pain!

  196. Foxtrot Says:

    I wish there was a way to access Obama’s mother’s passport records! That would shed light on alot of issues.

  197. oo12oo Says:

    PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    December 3, 2008 at 8:39 pm
    Foxy, thank you for setting Al straight about not paying his respects yet to Granny Dunham.

    ************************************************************

    Excuse me, Susan, you’re saying Foxy set me straight?! Me, Susan!!!Remember lady you seemed to be the one saying that the President-elect wasn’t going to do anything to properly honor his grandmother. Well, according to Foxy the president-elect has already set aside an appropriate time next month to honor his Grandmother. Set me straight?! I said Mr. Obama would honor his grandmother accordingly. Wondering aloud what’s wrong with the water near Susan’s hometown…

  198. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    I wonder why they didn’t put “Moses” in a basket and send him over Niagra?

    oops, that was my “Nasty” getting out!

    It will ruin the economy in Kenya if Obama turns out to be Canadian! Man, I wonder what the Canadians have to say about this! I like Canada. Nice big water fall, nice men on horses…lots of people from everywhere but Canada… Canada’s nice. I bet they NEED a new president–we should let them have BO)

  199. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Oooohhhh OK Thanks Fox – hard to keep up with all the stuff out there….

  200. Foxtrot Says:

    No problem. I know what you mean. I have been on this story since January. Still waiting for a “happy ending”!

  201. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    For something different…. I put my photgraphy gallery in my name 🙂

  202. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Al – chill

  203. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    Calm down Al– they are still going to give bots their Visa Cards–2 Trillion dollars worth—-

    and just for the sake of argument (and cause my pal Troy says so) BO isn’t PE just yet! He is playing dress up right now–and the electoral college hasn’t voted. And, the votes haven’t been counted and cast (that actually happens on Jan 6th, epiphany day–hmmm that might be some big epiphany!)

  204. Foxtrot Says:

    I honestly don’t think he could have been born in Canada. For his mother to either go from Kenya to Canada, OR Hawaii to Canada, when she was hours/days from giving birth would not have been allowed. Besides, they did check and there was no record of birth for Obama in any Canadian hospital. Also, lets not forget, that Kenyan Granny states she witnessed his birth in Kenya! Too many of the puzzle pieces point to Kenya. I am sticking with that.

  205. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    Thanks MOM, Al’s picking on me!

    Foxy, we have to keep an open mind— I don’t know who said that, but I remember–oh, someone said it about Al! (anyway, what I was going to say is we have to keep an open mind, Bo is omnipresent…his was a miraculous birth–)

  206. Foxtrot Says:

    You want to know the irony to all of this gang? I will most assuredly be on the invite list for the Inauguration as I have been so involved with the Democratic Party for so long. I am invited to all of these important deals. Was invited to Bill Clinton’s but was sick as a dog and couldn’t go. I should go to the inauguration, if it gets that far, with a big sandwich board sign stating, “Where is our natural born President?” I could carry/wave a Kenyan and a Canadian flag in each hand!

  207. Troy Says:

    Everyone should check out Cindy’s photos, there great!!!

  208. Foxtrot Says:

    I have an open mind Patty, otherwise I wouldn’t be on this site and hated by many of my Democratic friends for my thoughts on this subject! 😉

    If someone tells me the sky is made of marshmallow, I am not going to have an open mind about it as being true, because I know it is not. Same principle applies here. Preganant women, that far along, were not allowed to travel by plane back then.

  209. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Foxy – that would be hysterical – but we would need a jackhammer to bust you out of whatever institution (or concrete block) they would put you in!!!

  210. Foxtrot Says:

    In all reality, most pregnant women back then were kept behind closed doors. I was born one month before Obama was. I spoke to my mother when this all hit about the travel deal and she confirmed what I had already researched.

  211. Foxtrot Says:

    I wouldn’t be worried. I know you guys would “spring” me!!!

  212. thinkingmom11 Says:

    I know as recently as 5 years ago you couldn’t travel by plane after 8 months (I think – maybe even earlier) into your pregnancy…

  213. Troy Says:

    Just posted at Citizen Wells
    ————————————————————

    There is a new lawsuit before the California Supreme Court:

    “Wednesday, December 3, 2008
    Lightfoot v. Bowen: A new lawsuit

    Today, December 3, 2008, Dr. Orly Taitz, DDS Esq filed a second lawsuit in the Supreme Court of California; Lightfoot v. Bowen. This is a “Petition for Extraordinary Writ for Mandamus for Stay”.

    Orly hopes that the California Supreme Court will either issue an emergency stay of the voting of the electors, or decline to hear the case because it is a federal issue. Either way, Orly hopes that the California Supreme Court will make this pronouncement in a timely manner.

    Anyone who is concerned about this issue and wishes to express their concern to the court can do so:

    Interested parties cab contact the California Supreme Court by phone

    213 830 7570 Main court number in Los Angeles

    415-865-7060 (Chief Justice Ronald M. George in San Francisco)

    (415) 865-7000 Main court number in San Francisco

    or by FAX

    415 865 7183 Main FAX number in San Francisco

    to express their concern that this complaint be looked at in a timely matter.”

    Dr. Orly Taitz website:

    http//
    drorly.blogspot.com/2008/12/lightfoot-v-bowen-new-lawsuit.html

    Here is the core of the allegations:

  214. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Now, does anyone think there are any international travel records from 1961?? This whole thing is bizaare to me. Ms. Stanley Anne’s travel records would indeed be interesting to see – if they exist…

  215. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Ksinde

    Lame Cherry’s blog…. talks about Kenya being a red herring to get all looking in the wrong place…. that Canada is most likely……

    doughtful……… but….. hey with BO anything is possible

  216. thinkingmom11 Says:

    gotta run again…bbl

  217. rosettasister Says:

    Josh Says:
    December 3, 2008 at 9:35 pm

    -AND-

    Jen Says:
    December 3, 2008 at 9:57 pm

    —————–

    Welcome to both Josh and Jen.

    You both should be able to post at will now.

    Rosetta

  218. Troy Says:

    Lame Cherry’s blog…. talks about Kenya being a red herring to get all looking in the wrong place…. that Canada is most likely……

    doughtful……… but….. hey with BO anything is possible
    ————————————————————-
    I have considered this exact scenario many times and it is very possible!!!

  219. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Troy,

    like I said anything is possible and believable with Bam Bam.
    🙂 thanks for the compliment on the photographs

  220. Foxtrot Says:

    Troy – what color is your tinfoil hat?!?!? Hehe! You know I love ya’ but we can’t spin off into other theories left and right, lest we lose credibility! I am stickin’ to my story, based on all the evidence, not the least of which is his own Kenyan Grandmother and cousins who say they were present at his birth. That, and the fact that pregnant women were not allowed to fly too far into their pregnancies.

  221. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    Foxy, I know you have an open mind! I was only jesting— You know though Foxy, we are all in the same boat–it isn’t about politics. It’s about what is right and what is in the total best interest of our country, for future generations.

    No one, not Democrat, republican or libertarian or anyone else, should be able to take the office of POTUS without being first thoroughly vetted, and without passing the utmost scrutiny to prove that they are eligible under the Constitution of the USA.

    We truly are on the same side here.

  222. Foxtrot Says:

    Here, here Patty!!! (standing up and applauding, while saluting, and singing the National anthem)

  223. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    Thank you, Foxy, Thank you, thank you, thank you== and my peep’s thank you too!

  224. Foxtrot Says:

    LOL Patty!

  225. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    I had to go mop the kitchen floor, seems the scullery maid is off today! Hubby fired all the kitchen help, said he liked my cookin’ better! Darn it!

  226. Foxtrot Says:

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmm! Interesting. Put the W W W. in front, as usual.

    nbcchicago.com/news/local/Obama-Gives-Press-Pool-The-Slip.html

  227. Jen Says:

    I’m still wondering where you guys get that Obama is of arab descent???

  228. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    So Bam Bam and McCain are off the ballot…

    Doesn’t the electoral have to vote from the ballet?

    That would mean Biden and Palin

    Biden is a goof and the MSM would tear Palin to shreds.

    I heard many male Republicans went with BO because the couldn’t accept Palin….. was it the MSM or just the fact she was female?

  229. Troy Says:

    Jen Says:

    December 3, 2008 at 10:47 pm
    I’m still wondering where you guys get that Obama is of arab descent???
    ———————————————————–
    Through his arabic father

  230. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Jen

    __________
    Mr Obama is Tri racial meaning he is African/Arabic/Caucasian

    Every ancestor on his father’s side has an Arabic name, because his father was officially classified as “Arab African” by the Kenyan government.
    100% African tribal members of western Kenya where his father was born have Christian names, not Arabic. His father’s decision to name him with an Arabic name is a matter of his father establishing his ethnic identity in Africa – it is done deliberately to ethnically separate from the African tribes. Researching his roots reveal that on his father’s side, he is descended from Arab slave traders.

  231. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    I tried to tell him it was impossible to solve all the world’s problems AND do the dishes, but dang darn it, he just wouldnt’ believe me!

    BBL— have to greet him at the door now— she said, as she wrapped herself in ——— ;0)

  232. oo12oo Says:

    PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    December 3, 2008 at 8:29 pm
    And another thing…if I do recall, when Mr. Obama flew down to HI to visit Granny before her untimely and most unusual passing (given that she’s had several times of death noted) he did fly one of the smaller US commercial flights. That was a nice little touch, I do have to say so myself. Given that he wasn’t seeking “privacy” then, why would that change so quickly? Come on, Al. You didn’t really have another glass of the stuff did you?

    *************************************************************

    Susan,…the only time of death noted about President-elect Barack Obama’s grandmother was a single announcement that she passed onto eternity a day before the actual election, so there aren’t “several times of death noted” lady–just one single announcement the day before Tuesday, November 4, 2008.

    Also, as the most powerful man on this blue and green planet, Susan, President-elect Obama may choose to travel in any mode he so chooses, in small commercial airliners and, of course, in Air Force One real soon. FYI lady the strongest beverage I’ve had today was a cold glass of milk, so where your suggestive comment is cute, Susan, it’s not applicable to me today. Sorry to disappoint…and sorry about your lil’ Chatty doll too. Aww…boohoo.

  233. Troy Says:

    President-elect Obama may choose to travel in any mode he so chooses, in small commercial airliners and, of course, in Air Force One real soon.
    ————————————————————-
    Obama will very soon be flying Con-Air when he is being deported or on his way to Levinworth.

  234. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    Al certainly has a case of tha “nasties” on today!

    Now, Al, if I wasn’t running to greet dear Hubby here in just a moment, I would look up for you the different press releases on Granny–one even noted she died 2 days before the election…one stated at 3:00 pm the day before and the other stated she died earlier in the day.

    While I may be sweet as sugar, Al, I’m not a dummy…

    Gotta run.

  235. Foxtrot Says:

    Al, play nice! We love Patty! Also, I think she meant the “kool aide”, not liquor. LOL!

  236. Foxtrot Says:

    Rosetta Gang – I have got to scoot. I have 6 people coming over for wine and dessert. They will probably leave around 10 pm, since it is a work night. I will try to touch base later on tonight. Keep fighting the good fight! Al, be good while I am gone. After all, we want everyone to know we Dems are a nice, intelligent, and good lot!

  237. Jen Says:

    Troy,

    Through his arabic Father? Uh, his Father was born in Africa. How is an African, an arab?

  238. Foxtrot Says:

    Rosetta Gang — I have to scoot. I have 6 people coming over for wine and dessert. I am hoping they leave around 10 pm EST, since it is a work night. I will try to get back to this site before bedtime.

    Al, be nice. After all, you are representing we Democrats and we want them all to know what nice, intelligent, decent people we are!

    Rosetta Gang ROCKS! (sorry guys, couldn’t resist!)

  239. Foxtrot Says:

    Oops, duplicate entries. Don’t know how that happened.

  240. oo12oo Says:

    Foxtrot Says:

    December 3, 2008 at 10:57 pm
    Al, play nice! We love Patty! Also, I think she meant the “kool aide”, not liquor. LOL!

    Okay, Foxy, thanks for the clarification. Guess I’ll heed you and ThinkingMom’s advice and play nice. In fact, after another response to Susan I’m outta here. Peace.

  241. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    lol….. on the Obama gives press the slip article… I posted

    no, he was running away from questions about his offical documents. Guess he hasn’t had time to practice a pretty, “not say anything” speech yet

  242. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    FOX

    waving bye

  243. Troy Says:

    Jen Says:

    December 3, 2008 at 11:01 pm
    Troy,

    Through his arabic Father? Uh, his Father was born in Africa. How is an African, an arab?
    ————————————————————
    Good grief!!!…Another MSM watching, uninformed voter…Do your OWN research…I’m not your assistant…There is something called Google….Start there!!!!

  244. Troy Says:

    Are you not aware of a large populist of Africa being of Arabic desent?

  245. ddlew Says:

    Oh man I just finished reading the FUNNIEST STORY posted at API yet.

    It seems the CIA is now actively involved in blocking the release of the MO tape and the Imam documents.

    What’s even funnier than that are all of the posts of prayers and support for the chief!

    They have all lost it!!

  246. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Troy

    giving you a big cup of hot coco with plenty of marshmellows

    better now?

  247. oo12oo Says:

    PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    December 3, 2008 at 10:56 pm
    Al certainly has a case of tha “nasties” on today!

    Now, Al, if I wasn’t running to greet dear Hubby here in just a moment, I would look up for you the different press releases on Granny–one even noted she died 2 days before the election…one stated at 3:00 pm the day before and the other stated she died earlier in the day.

    While I may be sweet as sugar, Al, I’m not a dummy…

    Gotta run.

    *************************************************************

    Susan,

    As bright and sharp as you are surely you know that Hawaii is in an altogether different Time Zone than your East Coast time, so by the time you heard of and/or read the accounts what you read and/or heard wasn’t in “real time” lady, which isn’t President-elect Obama’s fault now is it? No one ever accuse you of being a “dummy”, Susan; however, please don’t make the time and follow-up announcement of Mr. Obama’s grandmother’s passing a thing of mystery/controversy…ooohhhh, something’s amiss–not!

    Enjoy your evening and may it unfold as you would like, but please don’t make “ant-hills out of mountains” lady. Peace.

    Al

  248. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    ddlew

    I haven’t looked over there in days… if a miracle happens and the supposed tapes are played then I will know about it soon enough

  249. carribeansoul Says:

    Hello everybody! I just gotta jump in here and throw my $.02 in!

    Al…if the FBI and CIA are so trustworthy to do what they should and be the almighty in protecting us, we’d still have the World Trade Center towers standing in New York. Period.

    As for John McCain being a NBC – I found this on Wikipedia…..

    John McCain, who ran for the Republican party nomination in 2000 and was the Republican nominee in 2008, was born in 1936 at the Coco Solo Naval Air Station in the Panama Canal Zone to U.S. parents.[18] In March 2008 McCain was held eligible for Presidency in an opinion paper by former Solicitor General Ted Olson and Harvard Law Professor Laurence H. Tribe.[19] In April 2008 the US Senate approved a non-binding resolution recognizing McCain’s status as a natural born citizen.[20] In September 2008 a Federal District judge said obiter that it was “highly probable” that McCain was a natural born citizen of the United States owing to the citizenship legislation existing at the time.[21][22] These views have been criticized by Gabriel J. Chin, Professor of Law at the University of Arizona, who claims that McCain was at birth a citizen of Panama and was only retroactively declared a born citizen under 8 U.S.C. §1403.[23]

    I’m not sure if Wikipedia is considered a credible source or not, but this sounds like this has already been looked into and solved. I dunno…………….

  250. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    soul

    I agree there are contradicting laws…. we aren’t lawyers…so we don’t know what trumps what…

  251. Jen Says:

    Troy,

    Not Kenya.

  252. oo12oo Says:

    Al…if the FBI and CIA are so trustworthy to do what they should and be the almighty in protecting us, we’d still have the World Trade Center towers standing in New York. Period.

    *************************************************************

    You make a legitimate point, Carribeansoul; however, the major challenges between detecting a network of deceitful evil doers plotting to harm America undetected is one thing, and this notion that the FBI and/or the CIA doesn’t already know if Mr. Obama is fully eligibile to hold the office of the President of the United States of America is altogether different. IF Mr. Obama was ineligible, someone in the FBI would have already stepped forward, even before the primaries. Mr. Obama IS eligible or the federal agencies tasked with uncovering fraud and/or imposters would have already had him “Stand Down”.

    Gotta go but wanted to respect you and answer your question before signing off. Peace.

    Al

  253. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    Al, I know what EST and all of that is–as a matter of fact, I also know that HI time is 5 hours post EsT. That doesn’t equal 2 days! As for mountains out of ant hills, have you ever seen an ant hill in Africa? Can be as big as a small city, if you dig deep enough, or look high enough.

    But, you, my friend, have probably gone off to the Kool-Aid counter, and won’t be back in time to see that anyway. Good night to you, Al– Peace on earth, and good will toward men–and bots.

  254. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    whistling……. I think I’m alone now

  255. oo12oo Says:

    PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    December 3, 2008 at 11:29 pm
    Al, I know what EST and all of that is–as a matter of fact, I also know that HI time is 5 hours post EsT. That doesn’t equal 2 days! As for mountains out of ant hills, have you ever seen an ant hill in Africa? Can be as big as a small city, if you dig deep enough, or look high enough.

    But, you, my friend, have probably gone off to the Kool-Aid counter, and won’t be back in time to see that anyway. Good night to you, Al– Peace on earth, and good will toward men–and bots.

    *************************************************************

    Susan,

    Gotta go lady so please don’t bother replying. Just the same though, I fully trust that YOU are bright and sharp enough to know the time differentials between Time Zones, but where you know those differences it still doesn’t account for WHEN you actually heard and/or read about the time of President-elect Obama’s grandmother’s passing…

    Sounds like you and yours have some romantic plans this evening, so enjoy and make some special memories together, Susan, but please don’t make an African ant-hill out of nothing of consequence lady. Good grief…

    Al

  256. oo12oo Says:

    PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    December 3, 2008 at 11:29 pm
    Al, I know what EST and all of that is–as a matter of fact, I also know that HI time is 5 hours post EsT. That doesn’t equal 2 days! As for mountains out of ant hills, have you ever seen an ant hill in Africa? Can be as big as a small city, if you dig deep enough, or look high enough.

    But, you, my friend, have probably gone off to the Kool-Aid counter, and won’t be back in time to see that anyway. Good night to you, Al– Peace on earth, and good will toward men–and bots.

    *************************************************************

    Susan,

    Gotta go lady so please don’t bother replying. Just the same though, I fully trust that YOU are bright and sharp enough to know the time differentials between Time Zones, but where you know those differences it still doesn’t account for WHEN you actually heard and/or read about the time of President-elect Obama’s grandmother’s passing…

    Sounds like you and yours have some romantic plans this evening, so enjoy and make some special memories together, Susan, but please don’t make an African ant-hill out of nothing of consequence lady. Good grief…

    Al

  257. carribeansoul Says:

    sorry Al, I just don’t have the faith in the American government that you do. Corruption goes waaayyyy too far back…including
    Watergate! Nobody thought that would happen either.

    JAC…I’m not one either and don’t even play one on TV!! 🙂 I’m sure if I looked I could find something that says the opposite. One would hope (but of course, one had hoped here with Obama as well) that McCain couldn’t run in 2 elections and not have been vetted. Most especially since he is a Republican (if in name only!). I am of the opinion that Leo has included him only so as to not appear biased.

    Well, we shall all know something in 2 days (but….who’s counting??)!!

  258. Jen Says:

    You there Troy??

  259. Ksinde. Says:

    Al, as far as the FBI and CIA goes, I feel they did not look into it thinking the DNC would do so, they have bigger fish to fry like preventing another 9-11. If the FBI looked into it fully and was confident in what they found we would of heard someone step forward and help put this thing to rest.

    Al, for the Justices to agree to hear Leo’s suit in a confrence is huge. it is very clear AL, BO’s dad was not a US citizen by BO’s own omission, therefore BO is not a NBC. There is no grey area here. The Justices will uphold the constitution and decalre BO ineligible.

    Al, tell me your argument about BO’s citizenship. I don’t want to hear about the FBI or DNC did this or that. I want to only hear your arguement about BO’s citizenship issue with regards to his fathers citizenship.

  260. Jen Says:

    Well, the ethnicity of Kenya is as follows:

    Kikuyu 22%; Luhya 14%; Luo 13%; Kalenjin 12%; Kamba 11%; Kisii 6%; Meru 6%; other African 15%; Asian, European, and Arab 1%

    Notice the last one? Arab, 1%

    Kenyans are ethnically Africans, not arabs. It makes no difference if Arabs conquered parts of North Africa.

    Obama is an African-American. Born in the United States of America. Claims that he is born in Kenya, Canada, Indonesia, wherever are not credible. There is no credible evidence to support your wild theories.

  261. sliderblaze Says:

    wow al, you stick waaay too much faith in the fbi and cia

  262. Lyn Says:

    Hey just what everyone needs for Christmas
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    lyn —

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  263. Ksinde. Says:

    How about this. Unbelievable! Now Fox news is concerned with the constitution.

    http and www

    foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/03/clintons-confirmation-spark-constitutional-battle/

  264. sliderblaze Says:

    Jen, take off dunce cap and place back on thinking cap

  265. Jen Says:

    Silder,

    That’s wonderful. Instead of refuting me, you attack me. That just means you have nothing to refute.

  266. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    jen

    you the same one who used to pest at API?

  267. Jen Says:

    Just,

    Pest. No. Just asking questions, not getting answers. I post as Dododo6 on Mountain Sage and API.

  268. sliderblaze Says:

    Jen, we, here, have been through this time and time again, every arguement you’ve brought up, has been thurly, hashed out months ago. Hell, even obama’s own website said he had duel citizenship, i cant take you by the hand and help you play catch up, thats for you to do, thats why i said but on your thinking cap, i’m not gonna put it on for you.

  269. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    and if you are a Mountain Sage person……… don’t let the kit you on the……… on the way out….

    now were you looking for statistics for today or the past like you should of been doing.??

  270. sliderblaze Says:

    oOo, a sage person, that explains it (slaps forehead)

  271. Jen Says:

    Slider,

    Insult my intelligence, but that still doesn’t refute what I said.

  272. sliderblaze Says:

    what are you thick on Jen? Ask us

  273. Jen Says:

    I’m not a ‘sage person’. I just recently came upon her blog, per API. I probably don’t agree with half the people there…concerning politics.

  274. sliderblaze Says:

    i didnt insult your intelligence, just the blindness of it

  275. Jen Says:

    Anyhow, I’ll wait for Troy to get back to me. Bye for now.

  276. sliderblaze Says:

    Well, i’m glad your not a sage person, you just went up in my book. If i dont answer right away, i’m sorry, maybe others can help me out.

    i’m working on a huge real estate deal and i have to have this business plan/objective done by tomorrow, so, forgive me if it takes me a lil while to get back here

  277. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Jen,

    Sorry if you are not the same as them…….. sage people have a habit of visiting other blogs just to cause trouble…… like entertainment

  278. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    slider

    I was a realtor for 6 years….. I feel your pain 😉

  279. Jen Says:

    Oh, not here to cause trouble. I just wondered where you get your crackpot theories? lol Then I figured it out.

    I do think most of the folks here are ‘bat sh*t crazy’. And I couldn’t resist the ‘arab’ comment. It was too funny to pass.

  280. inspirational1 Says:

    Orly Taitz Just Filed Another Case in the the Supreme Court of California

    California attorney Orly Taitz called to request that EVERYONE PLEASE FAX and call to request the Honorable Ronald M. George, Supreme Court of California Chief Judge and the rest of the court to review immediately the case of “Lightfoot Vs. Bowen”: docket # S168690. Please issue the stay or decline the stay of this petition of extraordinary writ.

    FAX: 310-203-8080. Call 213-830-7570.

    When you call the individual answering will say that she/he cannot pass along such a message to the Justices and will direct you to send a letter to:

    Honorable Ronald M. George
    Chief Judge
    Supreme Court of California
    300 South Spring St.
    2nd Floor
    Los Angeles, CA 90013

  281. sliderblaze Says:

    So Jen, i guess we are to take it that the SCOTUS is bat shit crazy as well for distributing this case? duly noted, i’d be glad to be lumped in with that crowd any day as it were.

    Thanks Cindy, i’m not a realtor, just and investor

  282. hockeyfan530 Says:

    jen,
    are you serious?

  283. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Jen,

    This is a friendly blog and we don’t put up with rudeness…..
    so go to another blog and cause your trouble,….. we aren’t interested…
    as far as I’m concerned you are on ignore… and I will not respond to anymore of your posts….. I think the other will agree….

  284. sliderblaze Says:

    agreed, like troy said, do your own research, we here, like to help people out if they need help with something, we’ve all had questions and mostly have done our own research and thinking. I remember when people were calling us crazy when Leo was filing his lawsuit, we were one of the only blogs talking about it back in what…i think it was Sept. now look, that is the only issue people are talking about, seems the same people who were calling us crazy, are the very same ones now making it a buzz. Are we 100% right here, hell no, just like you JEN arent. I’m now on my fifth revision of my real estate deal because of bad data and just plan ignorant thinking on my part. The first draft was raw, just like a lot of our thoughts here on this blog, so, if you wanna make trouble, Sage is the place for you.

  285. hockeyfan530 Says:

    Obama supporters complaining to the KC Star about covering the bc story “…the height of irresponsibility…” LOL

    http://adastrum.kansascity.com/?q=node/452

  286. Ksinde. Says:

    OK Jen, now I have to jump in… R u the person on MS blog that said we thought BO was satan and we were crazy???

    I thought you had a good arguement about the how is he arab thing. We are all about debating here.

    But now….You have a lot of nerve to come over here and call us crazy. You have no class! Let me take off my heels and earrings………………. FU, you ignorant biatch. Go back to your hole!

  287. hockeyfan530 Says:

    it just amazes me that this reporter talks about factcheck.org but if he would google he would see hundreds of sites that contain info on the illegitimacy of the bc. Maybe some people’s google only show sites that start with “f’ excluding, of course, freerepublic

  288. Ksinde. Says:

    Rose,

    you can delete my above nasty post if you feel it is not appropriate…sry, but that was very ignorant of her to insult our gang like that.

  289. Ksinde. Says:

    bbl

  290. j.b. Says:

    The Federal Bureau of Investigation, a United States federal law enforcement agency, serves as the investigative arm of the Department of Justice, with jurisdiction in some 300 classifications of cases. The work of the FBI includes investigations into organized crime, drug trafficking, bank robbery, kidnapping, extortion, air piracy, health care fraud, bank fraud, civil rights, white-collar crime, public corruption, cyber crime, terrorism, foreign counterintelligence, and threats to our national infrastructure and national security

    Our Mission(snipped from the Honolulu FBI page)

    To uphold the law through the investigation of violations of federal criminal law; to protect the United States from foreign intelligence and terrorists activities; to provide leadership and law enforcement assistance to federal, state, local, and international agencies; and to perform these responsibilities in a manner that is responsive to the needs of the public and is faithful to the Constitution of the United States.

    Okay, because this came up again, I thought I would “look into” it. I refuse to waste too much time on it, but this is what (all) I know on the subject.

    When I was listening to Phillip Berg on Michael Savage’s Show, back around Halloween, I think, MS asked PB “why is the FBI not doing anything about this BC nonsense”? (paraphrasing to by best ability) This interested me because I had asked the same thing as many of us have at one time or another.

    PB answered, “Because the FBI has no authority……..”.
    He also stated that he had talked to an FBI Agent and was under the impression that more than one of them “knew” there was a problem but had no authority. (again, paraphrasing)

    What I gathered from that is, the FBI has no authority to initiate any investigation. They take orders from whom?

    The Attorney General, who takes orders from the President.

    Because the SCOTUS is responsible for swearing in the new President they would be the ones that would have to initiate the request.

    So, this is definitely moving in the right direction! Whoo- HOO!

    If I have made an error, blame it on……….my husband.

    🙂

  291. Tenacity Says:

    Engaging the reactive folks

    Never approach a bull from the front, a mule from the rear or a fool from any direction

  292. hockeyfan530 Says:

    has this been posted Schlussel reveals the anonymous source that proves Obama’s SSR is forged

    blackhillsportal.com/npps/story.cfm?id=2856

  293. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    Ksinde! I sent that bit into FOX news about Clinton! I didn’t think they would pay any attention, given that I email them two or three times a week! I sent it to Hannity and to Friends! They listened! Take that–Al!

    Sorry, I know some of you love Hil, and she may be better than O, but it is a big constitutional matter, too.

    I can’t believe they listened! Dumbfounded here!

  294. ddlew Says:

    Leo and Orly are on Plains radio right now.

  295. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    This really gets me, “Dreisdach said as long as Democrats control the Senate, the Obama transition team won’t worry about this provision in the Constitution.

    “The Obama team is well aware of it and they have dismissed it,” Dreisdach said. “I find it hard to believe that a Democratic majority will take a different view.”

    Close your eyes Foxy, cause I’m going to say something about the Dems— If the Dems in office don’t give a flying patooty about the constitution, then they need to take a hike! Of course they aren’t going to pay any attn to this, if they didn’t batt an eyelash at BO’s tromp through the lily pads across the top of the constitution.

  296. Bones Says:

    Is it interesting, ddlew, or more of the same?

  297. Bones Says:

    Just wondering if there is something new… can’t listen right now.

  298. oo12oo Says:

    Ksinde. Says:

    December 3, 2008 at 11:56 pm
    Al, as far as the FBI and CIA goes, I feel they did not look into it thinking the DNC would do so, they have bigger fish to fry like preventing another 9-11. If the FBI looked into it fully and was confident in what they found we would of heard someone step forward and help put this thing to rest.

    Al, for the Justices to agree to hear Leo’s suit in a confrence is huge. it is very clear AL, BO’s dad was not a US citizen by BO’s own omission, therefore BO is not a NBC. There is no grey area here. The Justices will uphold the constitution and decalre BO ineligible.

    Al, tell me your argument about BO’s citizenship. I don’t want to hear about the FBI or DNC did this or that. I want to only hear your arguement about BO’s citizenship issue with regards to his fathers citizenship.

    *************************************************************

    Excellent post, Ksinde

    You make some legitimate points, no doubts there; however, as it relates to President-elect Barack Obama’s citizenship, Ksinde, please understand he has taken a firm/rock-solid position that he was in fact born in Hawaii, which by the time of his birth in August, 1961 was officially a State within the United States of America, Ksinde. And, correct me if I’m wrong, no one has stepped forward to disprove his claim. You’re a bright person, Ksinde, and I trust that you know the difference between a rumor and a fact. Of course, you do, so someone saying Mr. Obama is not a natural born citizen without facts to back it up merely rests in a state of rumor like status…until then I say give the President-elect the benefit of the doubt. Peace

    Al

    And, yes, I readily agree with Slider’ and Carribeansoul too that I give the FBI lots of respect for serving our nation with honor and distinction 24/7, but I’m openminded enough to consider that any entity isn’t immune to rogue elements. Just trust in my gut that this elite organization would have stopped Mr. Obama dead in his tracks if they were already aware that he wasn’t eligible to run even in the primaries.

  299. ddlew Says:

    I don’t think it was live. I caught the end of it and it sounded like last night’s show.

  300. ddlew Says:

    Yeah it’s just a replay of last night’s show

  301. ddlew Says:

    http: / / answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AgKq0SUUIWhBMlmLOvLvA1UazKIX;_ylv=3?qid=20081203170252AAw8VWB

    Open Question

    Will You Riot 12.05.08 when SCOTUS Declares Obama ineligible to be POTUS?

  302. sliderblaze Says:

    i think its a rerun bones, new show on at 9est

  303. Melissa Says:

    Interesting text in Section 3 of the 20th Amendment:

    “Section 3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified…”

    Read the scenario…OR IF THE PRESIDENT ELECT SHALL HAVE FAILED TO QUALIFY.

    So, they are totally admitting it’s possible for a President Elect to have FAILED TO QUALIFY after the fact.

  304. oo12oo Says:

    Ksinde. Says:

    December 3, 2008 at 11:56 pm
    Al, as far as the FBI and CIA goes, I feel they did not look into it thinking the DNC would do so, they have bigger fish to fry like preventing another 9-11. If the FBI looked into it fully and was confident in what they found we would of heard someone step forward and help put this thing to rest.

    Al, for the Justices to agree to hear Leo’s suit in a confrence is huge. it is very clear AL, BO’s dad was not a US citizen by BO’s own omission, therefore BO is not a NBC. There is no grey area here. The Justices will uphold the constitution and decalre BO ineligible.

    Al, tell me your argument about BO’s citizenship. I don’t want to hear about the FBI or DNC did this or that. I want to only hear your arguement about BO’s citizenship issue with regards to his fathers citizenship.

    ************************************************************

    Excellent post, Ksinde.

    President-elect Obama has held a firm/rock-solid position that he was born in Hawaii. On the actual date of his birth, August 4, 1961, the State of Hawaii had already been in statehood for about two years. No one to date has ever disproved Mr. Obama’s claim that he was born in Hawaii, so until then I believe he deserves the benefit of the doubt. You’re a bright person, Ksinde, so I know already that you know the difference between rumor and fact. There are many rumors saying Mr. Obama was born in Kenya, Canada, etc (guess someone may even step forward and claim he was born on the moon), nevertheless, Ksinde, until someone disproves Mr. Obama’s own admission that he was born in Hawaii rumors are just that–nothing more–nothing less.

    Al

    Yes, agreed, Slider’ and Carribeansoul are correct that I do respect the FBI for their honorable service to our country; however, Ksinde, I am openminded enough to know that no entity is fully immune from rogue elements, so I understand their positions too. Just my gut is telling me that if Mr. Obama wasn’t eligible he already would have been stopped dead in his tracks before the Iowa Caucus and/or New Hampshire primary…

  305. hockeyfan530 Says:

    Obama was born with dual citizenship. THat’s the gist of the issue…doesn’t really matter where he was born. He’s admitted he was born with dual citizenship.

  306. sliderblaze Says:

    Al, this is the Democratic party we are talking about…… I dont put anything past them at all.

    When it comes to the president of the united states, It’s his burden to prove that he is Eligable and if people have a question about it, like MILLIONS do, then he should produce the damn document MILLIONS want, he doesnt qualify to get the ben of the doubt. An elected official should never get the ben of the doubt, for these people are our representatives.

    “Just my gut is telling me that if Mr. Obama wasn’t eligible he already would have been stopped dead in his tracks before the Iowa Caucus and/or New Hampshire primary…”

    that statement seems to be the very thing they were counting on…..

  307. oo12oo Says:

    Ksinde. Says:

    December 4, 2008 at 12:31 am
    OK Jen, now I have to jump in… R u the person on MS blog that said we thought BO was satan and we were crazy???

    I thought you had a good arguement about the how is he arab thing. We are all about debating here.

    But now….You have a lot of nerve to come over here and call us crazy. You have no class! Let me take off my heels and earrings………………. FU, you ignorant biatch. Go back to your hole!

    *************************************************************

    Bravo, Ksinde! Talk about taking one for the team. Kudos plus…

  308. oo12oo Says:

    Excellent points, Slider’ and Hockeyfan’, but if the power structure within does not percieve President-elect Obama as ineligible then that could only be for two reasons: They already know he IS eligible or the unthinkable has happened in the country we all love…I believe it’s the former more than the latter gentlemen.

    Al

  309. sliderblaze Says:

    Thats kinda where we disagree, i think there is a hands off approach on this, one, to see what the SCOTUS will do, second the issue of race. I dont doubt for a second that if a white man had won, i.e. John McCain and someone brought up the issue, it’ll be widely covered and investigated. Obama is the least vetted candidate ever, bar none. College records MIA, real BC, MIA, if i was the president of the law review, i’d be putting that font and center as part of my resume, he didnt….why? It only adds to the theory he has something to hide. Usually, one is proud of their college acheivements unless……..

  310. sliderblaze Says:

    i mean, hell, i put that in my cover letter when i seek employment, my college/even my high school art achievements.

  311. hockeyfan530 Says:

    It’s not about who knows or doesn’t know. It’s a matter of the constitution. Maybe the powers that be (i’m assuming you are referring to non-obama supporters) have no idea Obama had dual citizenship. After all, when it was finally uncovered and subsequently admitted there was NOTHING said about it in the mainstream media. He put it on HIS website…OR, Possibly, the powers that be are afraid of the consequences. McCain was afraid to bring up rev wright. Who knows why. I certainly don’t. Maybe the powers that be know more than we do. Perhaps they don’t need to get involved at this point. Just sayin’.

  312. oo12oo Says:

    PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    December 4, 2008 at 12:52 am
    Ksinde! I sent that bit into FOX news about Clinton! I didn’t think they would pay any attention, given that I email them two or three times a week! I sent it to Hannity and to Friends! They listened! Take that–Al!

    Sorry, I know some of you love Hil, and she may be better than O, but it is a big constitutional matter, too.

    I can’t believe they listened! Dumbfounded here!

    *************************************************************

    Wondering aloud if FOX’s is really listening to Susan or simply over-burdened with her constant email bulkage…two can play the “Take that” game, Susan!

  313. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    Hi Al,

    Every night with my husband is special…per your earlier comments. I always try to greet him at the door, let him know I’m glad he’s home. We share cooking dinner, and I took the turn tonight–he used to be a professional chef, for about 20 years. He’s a much better cook than I am, but I have my specialties. Of course, you know my back story. So, you know how precious these things are to me now.

    My question to you, Al, is what type work do you do? You know most of my secrets, via my website. Thank you for not sharing them. But, you seem so very certain that the FBI, CIA etc. would be doing “their” job. I could site you numerous times when they haven’t.

  314. hockeyfan530 Says:

    slider i agree. if obama were a white candidate he wouldn’t have made it INTO the primaries….much less win the nomination. The dems knew exactly what they were doing. There is NO WAY that they honestly believed Obama was the BEST candidate. No experience, tons of shady associations that would have buried ANY other candidate. They knew they could play the race card wheneve someone criticized B.Odamilied. I can’t believe some of his more intelligent supporters don’t see that. It’s painfully obvious

  315. oo12oo Says:

    Slider’ and Hockeyfan’,

    You both make good points, but the riddle/mystery in all of this, at least for me, is why would the federal agencies simply look away if they saw anything that would jeopardize the very oath they took to defend the Constitution of the United States of America? It may simply be because Mr. Obama IS eligible.

    Anything new about Mr. Leo D’s case on Friday?

    Al

  316. sliderblaze Says:

    hell, we could site numerous SOS’s who werent doing their job either, especially with Caldero on the ballot, seem like no one in govt does there job good or at all these days.

  317. sliderblaze Says:

    Al

    I thought the same thing at first. Then i thought back to Tim McV and Oklahoma city, then the LAX potential disaster, and also all these illegals running around, and the 1993/2001 wtc bombings, should i go on? If Obama was eligible, then why not show his real BC, that’ll be the biggest STFU i’ve ever heard and him being soooo megalomoniacle in nature, i think if he had the goods, he’d produce them….

  318. sliderblaze Says:

    Time will tell for sure

  319. ddlew Says:

    Phase II of 9/11?

  320. sliderblaze Says:

    Seems like we are suppose to question our elected officials, as long as it’s not “their” elected officials. I remember Obama talking about a transparency government and he’s been anything but, a hypocrit never gets my ben of the doubt

  321. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    Hockeyfan: The problem is not that they don’t see it. It’s that they don’t want to do the right thing about it. We would rather “play” nice, and pretend that things are really different than they are. We would like to believe that we have the perfect candidate here in BO. If you listen to the man speak, as sad as it is, he really doesn’t have more than I would. He’s so far out of his league. (I have a couple of degrees under my shirt too.) I think he is a personable man, but personality is not enough. You can only bs your way through for a short time.

    There’s a Kenya program on right now Eyes on Kenya. I was where these guys are in September. Makes me want to cry. My husband can’t stand to watch it.

  322. oo12oo Says:

    PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    December 4, 2008 at 1:45 am
    Hi Al,

    Every night with my husband is special…per your earlier comments. I always try to greet him at the door, let him know I’m glad he’s home. We share cooking dinner, and I took the turn tonight–he used to be a professional chef, for about 20 years. He’s a much better cook than I am, but I have my specialties. Of course, you know my back story. So, you know how precious these things are to me now.

    My question to you, Al, is what type work do you do? You know most of my secrets, via my website. Thank you for not sharing them. But, you seem so very certain that the FBI, CIA etc. would be doing “their” job. I could site you numerous times when they haven’t.

    *************************************************************

    Oh, Susan, your secrets are always safe with me. That goes for anybody I may come in contact with because I simply respect everyone’s right to privacy. Fresh. clean air and the right to privacy should never be taxed. And, of course, you can site many times that the cia or fbi isn’t doing “their” jobs because there are so many bogus entities these days claiming to be the genuine FBI and/or CIA while they Barney Fife their way through the all their pretense. Please, Susan, never question the competence of the genuine men and women filling the ranks of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. As far as what I do for a living, I’m a simpleminded farmhand is all, Susan.

    When I responsed to your earlier post I assumed from the gist of your words that you were not only cooking for your hubby but there would be some whip-creamed apple pie and a couple of glasses of wine near a fireplace…I stand corrected, Susan, but that’s pretty admirable of you to care enough to cook for a chef–everyone deserves a night off. Nevertheless, come Friday at 5pm Mr. Obama is still standing tall and we all can move on and address more pressing issues, the staggering economy and two wars abroad instead of places of birth.

    Al

  323. sliderblaze Says:

    damn , susan, you got secrets? uh oh lol

  324. oo12oo Says:

    sliderblaze Says:

    December 4, 2008 at 1:55 am
    Seems like we are suppose to question our elected officials, as long as it’s not “their” elected officials. I remember Obama talking about a transparency government and he’s been anything but, a hypocrit never gets my ben of the doubt

    ************************************************************

    I’ll have to concede this point to you, Slider’…another classic case of SAYING one thing and DOING another (transparency).

  325. hockeyfan530 Says:

    here’s another article about the SC on Friday

    freep.com/article/20081203/NEWS15/81203128

    it boggles the mind all of these articles use the fact that most of the cases against Obama were thrown because of lack of standing as an arguement not to pursue it! If the media did their job properly this wouldn’t be an issue. They also NEVER state that there is plenty of evidence that the BC is forged. And they always state that Hawaii verified Obama’s birth in Hawaii…they did no such thing. They said there is a bc on file. Didn’t divulge the pertinent info needed. Most importantly is they never bring up the dual citizenship.

  326. oo12oo Says:

    sliderblaze Says:

    December 4, 2008 at 1:49 am
    hell, we could site numerous SOS’s who werent doing their job either, especially with Caldero on the ballot, seem like no one in govt does there job good or at all these days.

    *************************************************************

    Who is Caldero? Was he a Vice-Presidential candidate on a third/independent party or something?

  327. carribeansoul Says:

    slider, I am right there with ya on our government in action. I have worked in state govmt. and had to leave after 5 years b/c I couldn’t take the laziness, the fraud and the scams. That’s why it does not surprise me at all that he has made it this far. That also is what makes me apprehensive about Friday. When I’ve told my friends this stuff, they of course look at me like I’m crazy and just say they hope I’m right. I always preface it with “IF they do their job like they are supposed to and that’s a big IF”…

    It’s a good thing Friday is Margaritaville Friday! I’m gonna need one no matter which way it goes! 🙂

  328. hockeyfan530 Says:

    Al,
    do you believe that if the SC doesn’t do anything about this then Obama is truly eligible?

  329. oo12oo Says:

    They said there is a bc on file

    Hmm, so where they are saying there is a BC on file, it’s what they are not saying…hmm

  330. sliderblaze Says:

    He was on the ballot in NJ, he is from Nicurauga, (sp) he was kicked off the ballot i think in 5 states by the SOS’s for being ineligible, i wanna know how they determined that, how can he be on some states ballots being not a natural born citizen?

    he ran for pres on a third party….

  331. sliderblaze Says:

    Soul, i’ll be drinking either way lol

  332. oo12oo Says:

    hockeyfan530 Says:

    December 4, 2008 at 2:10 am
    Al,
    do you believe that if the SC doesn’t do anything about this then Obama is truly eligible?

    *************************************************************

    You pose a tough question, Hockeyfan’. Personally, wish this issue can be resolved one way or another, ideally with President-elect Obama calling for a press-conference and simply sharing his BC openly with the American people. If the Supreme Court “doesn’t do anything” I’d be the first to admit I would be dejected, Hockeyfan’. If the country we love has been hijacked from within that wouldn’t set well with me. I say the Supreme Court has about 72 more hours of a heavy burden to bear…

    Al

    Al

  333. carribeansoul Says:

    slider…I’m hearin’ ya! 🙂

    And Al, that with the HI officials and what they are NOT saying…that is EXACTLY the point. They only say they have one…..not what it says. They never said it was an original from HI showing he was born there.

    Ya know….I mean really….just show the dang thing and shut everybody up if it says HI!!! Common sense and good ole intuition should tell you that he indeed has something to hide…doesn’t it???

  334. oo12oo Says:

    sliderblaze Says:

    December 4, 2008 at 2:11 am
    He was on the ballot in NJ, he is from Nicurauga, (sp) he was kicked off the ballot i think in 5 states by the SOS’s for being ineligible, i wanna know how they determined that, how can he be on some states ballots being not a natural born citizen?

    he ran for pres on a third party….

    *************************************************************

    Letting out low whistle and wondering aloud exactly what a filing for public office looks like…so, in this case it seems someone from Moscow, Russia could have been placed on the ballot. Say it ain’t so.

  335. carribeansoul Says:

    slider, hockey and others….shhhhh….I think we might have Al thinking we might just be right!! 🙂

  336. sliderblaze Says:

    Soul……there are more questions then answers right now

  337. sliderblaze Says:

    al, i think it is so my man

  338. oo12oo Says:

    carribeansoul Says:

    December 4, 2008 at 2:20 am
    slider…I’m hearin’ ya!

    And Al, that with the HI officials and what they are NOT saying…that is EXACTLY the point. They only say they have one…..not what it says. They never said it was an original from HI showing he was born there.

    Ya know….I mean really….just show the dang thing and shut everybody up if it says HI!!! Common sense and good ole intuition should tell you that he indeed has something to hide…doesn’t it???

    *************************************************************

    Yes, Carribeansoul, some good old-fashioned common sense would suggest that there was something to hide, but what if it really just comes down to President-elect Obama feeling that’s his personal and private business, so since he has shared it with the federal agencies and the DNC everyone else can take hike off a short pier…don’t really know why all the reluctance to simply hold a five minute press conference to clear this all up once and for all. But, again, even amid all the rumors, no one has ever disproved that Mr. Obama wasn’t born in Hawaii, so he’s still holding the trump card.

    Al

  339. hockeyfan530 Says:

    it really is that simple. He shows the BC and all issues are settled…..But then someone still has to decide if the admitted dual citizenship is cause for disqualification. To me that doesn’t need anything from Obama. Someone can just say dual citizenship disqualifies him or it doesn’t. No documentation from Obama needed. But then there is the Indonesian citizenship issue too…LOL

  340. oo12oo Says:

    carribeansoul Says:

    December 4, 2008 at 2:22 am
    slider, hockey and others….shhhhh….I think we might have Al thinking we might just be right!!

    *************************************************************

    Goodnight all. Safe travels. Peace.

  341. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Proof of birth and the SSR handled… the rest is ammunition of a bad President, not a disqualifying one

  342. sliderblaze Says:

    al, as far as millions are concerned, he hasnt really showed anything. If the DNC saw his vault, why did he post THAT on his lil fight the smears….for someone who was really trying their hardest to “fight the smears” they did a really poor job on this issue.

  343. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    when I said poof of birth…… that was broad range of the whole citizen issue dual etc

  344. Troy Says:

    Any good radio shows tonight?

  345. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    I am not a tin foil hat person!!!

    but I can’t help that the super powers behind the goverment has been pulling lots of strings…. only thing that makes sense

  346. hockeyfan530 Says:

    what will the SC be deciding on Friday exactly. Is it just the BC or is the dual citizenship part of the case as well? Like i said, the dual citizenship needs no further evidence. They can decide for themselves if it disqualifies him or not. And i don’t know how it couldn’t. Dual citizenship with kenya/britian? Couple that with Obama’s brilliant work with Odinga and i think you have your split loyalties right there.

  347. carribeansoul Says:

    I agree…lots of answers still needed. And probably questions we don’t even know we need to be asking!

    I am in insurance, so I fully understand and for the most part agree with the privacy laws….for the average citizen. Mr. Obama is applying for the highest position in the world as an employee of “We the People”….he lost a majority of his privacy when he decided to take that route. Most especially his transcripts and proof of his eligibility. Good grief….he couldn’t even qualify to work for himself with the questions and such he is asking of his future employees! Every single one of us has had to show more indentification than he has for a heck of a lot less reasons.

  348. rosettasister Says:

    New Thread:

    https://rosettasister.wordpress.com/2008/12/04/we-a-dystopian-novel-by-yevgeny-zamyatin/

  349. Troy Says:

    Friday, the SC will decide if the case will be argued by councils

  350. amy Says:

    hockeyfan..They will be deciding whether or not to hear the Donofrio case or to dismiss it. If 4 of them (rule of Four) decides that the case needs to be heard, then the case will be allowed to go forward (scheduled got hearings at a later date)

  351. Foxtrot Says:

    My guests just left. I have to clean up a bit but I will be back. What did I miss?

  352. amy Says:

    I have a strong feeling that 4 will agree to let it go forward (Thomas, Scalia, Roberts and Alito)

  353. amy Says:

    Fox, you didnt miss much, or at least nothing new.

  354. amy Says:

    hockeyfan, this Donofrio case has NOTHING to do with the birth certificate, but ALL to do with “natural born citizen”

  355. Ksinde. Says:

    Al,

    Thank you for attempting to answer my question I had for you. I get your point about the BC. I myself am not focused in on the BC. He was probally born in hawaii or will atleast produce the best darn fake bc in history if SCOTUS calls him out on it.

    For our discussion lets say he was born in Hawaii and he has the documents to back it up. His mother is Dunham and his father is Obama Sr. Dunham is a US citizen and Obama Sr. is a kenyan/british citizen>> US Citizen + kenyan/british citizen= US Citizen NOT NBC.

  356. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    Hubby isn’t a chef anymore– he’s in medical field now.

    Now Al, nothing is more honorable than being a farmer…nothing simple about that…but I think you jest– and you are def. not simpleminded, except where your politics are concerned–jk.:)

    But, Al, let me ask you, what’s more pressing–economy or our constitution? I would rather live free in a box then live with luxury and not have the freedoms we have here.

    You know, Al, the Hebrew people, when Moses led them out of captivity, had been out for about 29 days. They had seen the plagues, the parting of the sea, had eaten manna, and didn’t labor under the task masters/slave drivers’ hands, perhaps even the first hebrew child among them born in freedom, yet all they could do was look back to the land of captivity and wail about their flesh pots that they had left in Egypt.

    I don’t want to sell my freedoms for a little flesh in the pot (be it steak or my 401K)…

    I know you think that BO is PE and will soon be POTUS. But, if I take your viewpoint, unless he comes forward and voluntarily speaks up, then we should just assume that he’s been properly vetted. If this is true, then why has he had everything about him sealed and hidden? If there’s nothing to hide, then why hide it? That, I can’t understand.

  357. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    Al, you said, “If the Supreme Court “doesn’t do anything” I’d be the first to admit I would be dejected, Hockeyfan’. If the country we love has been hijacked from within that wouldn’t set well with me. ”

    But, if it were not for all the tin foil hat people pushing this, and I’ve been pushing it for MONTHS, then there wouldn’t be anyone even asking the questions. If we all just took the attitude that “FBI and CIA have done their jobs and we need to all just celebrate”, then there wouldn’t be anyone causing the SC to examine this travesty. The hijacking would go unnoticed, unchallenged.

  358. ahrcanum Says:

    Everybody is accepting donations these days including Obama. What a bunch of horse hockey. Sign my petition and donate is ridiculous.

    Democrats and Republicans have turned profit into a dirty word while us taxpayers bailout companies to the tune of trillions. We’re cutting coupons to eat while a$$holes are planning inaugural parties and keeping the bars open late.

  359. rosettasister Says:

    ahrcanum Says:
    December 5, 2008 at 12:45 am

    Everybody is accepting donations these days including Obama. What a bunch of horse hockey. Sign my petition and donate is ridiculous.

    Democrats and Republicans have turned profit into a dirty word while us taxpayers bailout companies to the tune of trillions. We’re cutting coupons to eat while a$$holes are planning inaugural parties and keeping the bars open late.

    ——————

    Welcome, ahrcanum!

    I will copy this to most recent thread which is here:

    https://rosettasister.wordpress.com/2008/12/05/carry-on-my-wayward-daughter/

    You should be able to post at will now.

    Rosetta

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