“Captured gunman ‘was sold into terrorism’ by his father” By Rhys Blakely in Mumbai

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Moshe Holtzberg, the 2-year-old orphan of the rabbi and his wife slain in the Mumbai Jewish center, cries during a memorial service at a synagogue in Mumbai, India, Monday, Dec. 1, 2008. (AP Photo)

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A police officer stands guard in Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus train station, one of several places where gunmen shot at people, in Mumbai, India, Monday, Dec. 1, 2008. (AP / Lefteris Pitarakis)

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article5276329.ece

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The sole Mumbai gunman to have been captured alive claims that his father introduced him to the terrorist faction suspected to be behind the terror attacks last week in exchange for cash.

Azam Amir Kasab, 21, believed to be from Pakistan, said that members of his family would be killed because he was ordered not to be taken alive. “Spread terror and your family will be looked after,” he was told, according to a leaked account of his interrogation.

Kasab said that his father introduced him to a commander of the Pakistan group Lashkar-e-Taiba about four years ago. The terrorist commander, known as chacha (uncle), paid the father for his son’s induction.

Kasab was one of at least ten gunmen who killed nearly 200 people in the financial capital of India. He said that he came from a poor family, had not finished primary school and had worked as a labourer.

Security experts said that payment was one of three main recruitment tools used by Islamist extremists, especially in the impoverished villages of south Punjab, from where Kasab claims to come. The others were the madrassas, or Islamic schools, and threats of violence, often made to the families of those being recruited.

Foreign security agencies – including US, Israeli and, possibly, British specialists – are poised to be given “informal, unofficial” access to Kasab, one official source said. In a press conference a Mumbai police officer said that all the evidence would be shown to Condoleezza Rice, the US Secretary of State.

Ajit Doval, a former director of the Indian Intelligence Bureau, said it was unlikely that Kasab had yet been given “the third degree” – a term that covers all manner of coercive questioning tactics employed commonly by Indian police, including torture.

A senior Indian police official said that Yusuf Muzammil, a senior Lashkar-e-Taiba figure who has led operations against India, had been contacted using a satellite telephone found with the gunmen and was identified as the leader by Kasab.

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The moon shines over the Taj Mahal hotel in Mumbai, India, Monday, Dec. 1, 2008. Soldiers removed the remaining bodies and diffused booby-traps left by the terrorists at the hotel. (AP / Rajanish Kakade)

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Local residents light candles in front of the Taj Mahal hotel in memory of those who died in the attacks last week in Mumbai, India, Monday, Dec. 1, 2008. (AP / Saurabh Das)

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309 Responses to ““Captured gunman ‘was sold into terrorism’ by his father” By Rhys Blakely in Mumbai”

  1. Cyndi Says:

    Cyndi Says:
    December 2, 2008 at 11:55 pm

    Pentagon to Detail Troops to Bolster Domestic Security

    washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/30/AR2008113002217_pf.html

    The Pentagon’s plan calls for three rapid-reaction forces to be ready for emergency response by September 2011. The first 4,700-person unit, built around an active-duty combat brigade based at Fort Stewart, Ga., was available as of Oct. 1, said Gen. Victor E. Renuart Jr., commander of the U.S. Northern Command.
    **************************

    So apparently thats whats on the ground now?

  2. Ksinde. Says:

    ty cyndi…you are good!!!

  3. Cyndi Says:

    I was just carrying this over from the previous thread for Ksinde.

  4. Cyndi Says:

    Ooops Sorry I forgot to say First!

  5. Cyndi Says:

    Your quite welcome Ksinde….

  6. thinkingmom11 Says:

    That first picture makes me want to cry…

  7. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    lol,….. ok i have plains on now…. but nothing has started yet

  8. Ksinde. Says:

    mom…i know. heart breaking

  9. rosettasister Says:

    Just posted on previous thread:

    • • Stop Obama: America was Conned « ASK THE ANIMALS and they will TEACH you… [Job 12:7-12] Says:

    December 2, 2008 at 11:59 pm

    […] « “Dear Mr. Obama” An Iraq Veteran has a personal message for Barack Obama [WATCH THE VIDEO] […]

    http://moniquemonicat2.wordpress.com/2008/12/02/%e2%80%a2-stop-obama-america-was-conned/

  10. Cyndi Says:

    Did ya’ll know the woman that was killed that had the 2 year old baby and her husband was killed also, she was 5 months pregnant. They are flying the orphaned boy back to Israel.

  11. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Have any of y’all wondered why this kind of thing doesn’t happen here? I mean really. I know the gov’t has done a good job of protecting us but NOT ONE attack like this, or like what happens in Israel in 7 years?! I have a hard time believing that the gov’t could protect us that well…just seems weird to me. I remember after 9/11 I wasn’t particularly worried about another “spectacular” but moreso about the kind of random, street homicide bombings. Glad it hasn’t come to pass but it make me wonder…are they just waiting for something or what? Maybe I better check my tin-foil hat – maybe it is too tight…

  12. thinkingmom11 Says:

    RERUN on Plains – how disappointing…

  13. Tenacity Says:

    What’s up, this is rerun from last evening

  14. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    I read something very heart breaking a few days ago…. a woman and her child excaped a burning building…….and the terrorist grabbed the child and tossed it back into the fire

  15. Cyndi Says:

    Heck I think I am gonna go take a nap. I am tired. If I want to be coherent tonight they said they don’t go live till 8 central.

  16. sliderblaze Says:

    yeah, whats up with that

  17. thinkingmom11 Says:

    JAC – horrible. Not surprised – they are heartless bastards. What friggin’ cowards and pukes.

  18. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Plains radio needs to have better updating on their website…I can never tell what is coming on when over there. Especially since they have different people in the evenings it would be nice to know what is coming up.

  19. sliderblaze Says:

    i was lookin at the shows page, they have only reruns scheduled for the week

  20. Ksinde. Says:

    JAC…omg i wish i didn’t read your post… that is horrible

  21. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    *sigh* all in the name of religion, or their version of religion..
    my way is the only way….and make others pay for believing different.

    what is scary,…… we in this counrty is heading in the same direction

  22. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Ksinde….. I C U….. lol over at plains chat….. I’m on the list as Cindy…not chatting just reading

  23. Ksinde. Says:

    r u stalking me JAC? lol

  24. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    whoa…… ED mentioned something in chat about planning on burning up another fax machine tonight………..

  25. thinkingmom11 Says:

    They chat too fast over there – I type with a southern drawl and by the time I’m done typing what I want to say the question is WAY off the screen 🙂

  26. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    why i just read….. try to chat you miss too much

  27. Troy Says:

    thinkingmom11 Says:

    December 3, 2008 at 12:28 am
    They chat too fast over there – I type with a southern drawl and by the time I’m done typing what I want to say the question is WAY off the screen
    ————————————————————
    Same hear mom…Except I type with two fingers and peck the keys…I’m a two-fingered pecker

  28. Troy Says:

    here*….Doh!!!!!

  29. thinkingmom11 Says:

    geez Troy that just ruined the picture I had of you in my brain…oh well, dreams die…

  30. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    not comfirmed……. but protest Friday is called off

  31. Troy Says:

    thinkingmom11 Says:

    December 3, 2008 at 12:33 am
    geez Troy that just ruined the picture I had of you in my brain…oh well, dreams die…
    ———————————————————-
    Awww….I can email you a pic…Old Troy Boy is a southern stud
    Hehehe

  32. thinkingmom11 Says:

    They MUST KNOW for sure that the case is going to be heard if they cancelled the protest…don’t you think? I wonder how they know that for certain?? Did we miss something?

  33. Troy Says:

    Is this show on Plains live or is it Memorex?

  34. thinkingmom11 Says:

    LOL – troy boy

  35. thinkingmom11 Says:

    flashback

  36. Troy Says:

    Well alrighty then

  37. thinkingmom11 Says:

    I think the live stuff starts a 6pm with Thunder (I like him pretty good)

  38. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    for tonights live 8 cent…9 east…… right now is memorex

  39. j.b. Says:

    not comfirmed……. but protest Friday is called off

    omg-i hope someone tells peppermintpatty!

  40. Ksinde. Says:

    Some r still going to DC… But we need to wait until Joe Thunder comes on to confirm cancellation.

  41. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    they were doing plenty of talking about riots happening if this goes against BO…..

    I think it can be kept to a minimum IF BO himself speaks up and calms those who would take this kind of action

  42. gatorsmom Says:

    Joe Thunder on at 8CST, 9EST right?

  43. Ksinde. Says:

    Gator i think 9 yes… I am upset about the protest. they get us all worked up about it then say no never mind. They still need to do it because it will show our support and get exposure

  44. gatorsmom Says:

    agree ksinde – let’s see what they say

  45. ddlew Says:

    So protest is called off because THEY ARE hearing the case?

  46. inspirational1 Says:

    inspirational1 Says: from other post

    December 3, 2008 at 12:38 am
    Soetoro Divorce Papers Reveal Obama Was Adopted

    Orly Taitz wrote:

    We just got Soetoro divorce papers. Those show that the couple has 2 children, which means that Mr. Soetoro adopted BO and the school record, showing him as Barry Soetoro is correct. In his State bar application he stated that he never had any other names, he committed perjury, since he made the statement under oath. I believe that the application to be a candidate on the ballot was made under oath also and there is an ample evidence of perjury. Maybe an investigation can be started by a local DA or police or sheriff (starting from bottom up) . I called a former LA assistant DA. Maybe you know smbd in law enforcement, their investigation can give us more info, then the courts.Does anybody know anybody in law enforcement that will be willing to help?

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  47. Troy Says:

    justanamericancindy4 Says:

    December 3, 2008 at 12:50 am
    they were doing plenty of talking about riots happening if this goes against BO…..

    I think it can be kept to a minimum IF BO himself speaks up and calms those who would take this kind of action
    ————————————————————-
    Unfortunately Obama’s plan is straight out of Saul Alenski’s handbook “Rules for Radicals”….It is the same exact plan that Obama advised his cousin Ralia Odinga on….We all know know what Odinga did… Do research on “Rules for Radicals”….The last ditch effort is to incite civil disobidience and violence as a way to take power….Odinga’s murderous rampage led the Kenyan Gov. to create a new Prime Minister position for Ralia in order to stop the killings….Prime Minister Obama???….NOT!!!!!

  48. ddlew Says:

    Of course Obama is expecting riots. This is a coup. He’s trying to take over the government.

  49. thinkingmom11 Says:

    I don’t think there is any legal avenue for the “alias” case. I think one could persue it if Obama were still practicing law or still held his license. There was some speculation that that was one of the reasons he let his license go…

  50. Troy Says:

    I’m hoping for a new national holiday:
    National Obama Deportation Day

    Weeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  51. thinkingmom11 Says:

    ddlew – unfortunately for him most people in this country with guns don’t like him very much…it will be very ugly

  52. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Troy……..lol

    need to o a few things……. be back within 30

  53. thinkingmom11 Says:

    anyone hear what the deal is in GA? Saxby in or out?

  54. ddlew Says:

    GA SENATE RESULTS:
    REPUBLICAN 326,516
    DEMOCRAT 176,979

  55. j.b. Says:

    Looking real good for Saxby so far……..he leads, iow.

  56. ddlew Says:

    Updated Dec-02-2008 08:20 PM 25% reporting (832 of 3303 precincts)

  57. thinkingmom11 Says:

    AWESOME! Now if we can just keep that puke Franken out of office…

  58. ddlew Says:

    Leo will be on Plains radio tonight with breaking news.

    8:00PM central

  59. Ksinde. Says:

    ddlew, r u sure that wasn’t from last night?

  60. j.b. Says:

    Leo will be on Plains radio tonight with breaking news.

    8:00PM central

    Hmmmmm, I wonder what’s up? Thanks, d.Where’d you hear that?

    I just noticed the current time on this blog is 1:30 in the morning! Where the heck is this blog, anyways?

  61. Ksinde. Says:

    Did you see that black friday killing at walmart in NY? That is a disgrace…animals! A killing all over saving what ….5 bucks

  62. ddlew Says:

    Ksinde. Says:
    December 3, 2008 at 1:37 am

    ddlew, r u sure that wasn’t from last night?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    ED broadcasts the message about Leo being on tonight through the chat board.

  63. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    ok nice hot shower…. in my pj’s ……..so comfy…. what’s going on now?

  64. Tenacity Says:

    Chambliss by over 60% w/ 65% reporting

  65. Tenacity Says:

    I believe Rose said the time on here is Greenwich

  66. j.b. Says:

    YAY! For Saxby!

  67. Tenacity Says:

    j.b.
    posted in last thread…commenter from another site reported that Leo would essentially be announcing or confirming the same thing that Hale said last night about knowledge of SC staying the Electoral College.

  68. j.b. Says:

    Greewich or Greenland?

  69. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Ksinde

    remember that stolen one ton suburban of ours?

    found today at a chop shop….. was used as a traveling meth lap to hide in the woods…..

  70. ddlew Says:

    Ed just announce “Live in 5 minutes.”

  71. j.b. Says:

    I just have a hard time believing that Ed Hale has an “in” at the White House! I mean, Ed Hale? Maybe that’s mean but i am skeptical.

  72. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    j.b.

    take everything he says with a truckload of salt….i never take him serious unless i hear it from two other places

  73. Tenacity Says:

    Greenwich…Prime Meridian…Date line

  74. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    for those who weren’t here earlier….. I added my blog to my name…

    we were getting strange messages during refresh earlier…. so we are just being extra careful just in case….

    gives a place to jump to if something happens

  75. j.b. Says:

    Thank you, Cindy. I added that to my favs.
    What was it you said, Tenacity, about salt and the shaker? I really liked it but now cannot think of it!

  76. Troy Says:

    j.b. Says:

    December 3, 2008 at 2:01 am
    I just have a hard time believing that Ed Hale has an “in” at the White House! I mean, Ed Hale? Maybe that’s mean but i am skeptical.

    ————————————————————

    Lmaooo…He doesn’t….He simply recieved an annonymous phone call

  77. ddlew Says:

    justanamericancindy4 Says:
    December 3, 2008 at 2:06 am

    for those who weren’t here earlier….. I added my blog to my name…

    we were getting strange messages during refresh earlier…. so we are just being extra careful just in case….

    gives a place to jump to if something happens

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Gave ya a “HI!”

  78. j.b. Says:

    Greenwich…Prime Meridian…Date line

    THat? Just cornfused me even more. Maybe me jus sto o pid.

  79. ddlew Says:

    Troy Says:
    December 3, 2008 at 2:08 am

    j.b. Says:

    December 3, 2008 at 2:01 am
    I just have a hard time believing that Ed Hale has an “in” at the White House! I mean, Ed Hale? Maybe that’s mean but i am skeptical.

    ————————————————————

    Lmaooo…He doesn’t….He simply recieved an annonymous phone call

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Supposedly from a “purchased” cell phone with 5 Minutes of talk time purchased.

  80. j.b. Says:

    omg, Ed……..

  81. Ksinde. Says:

    Cindy, a chop shpp??? how sickening… people just don’t care. well will you atleast get a new car out of it?

  82. Foxtrot Says:

    Hello everyone. Is the radio show on yet?

  83. Troy Says:

    yes

  84. ddlew Says:

    Foxtrot Says:
    December 3, 2008 at 2:11 am

    Hello everyone. Is the radio show on yet?

    ++++++++++++++++++

    Just started….Leo is supposed to be on in a bit.

  85. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    listening to plains…..

  86. Ksinde. Says:

    orly coming on soon then leo

    http www plainsradio.com then click listen live

  87. j.b. Says:

    Lmaooo…He doesn’t….He simply recieved an annonymous phone call

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Supposedly from a “purchased” cell phone with 5 Minutes of talk time purchased.

    Okay, thanks, I hope they can get a refund on the remaining minutes.

    I gotta say, if I was going to call Ed, I wouldn’t want anyone to know either!

    Oops, Ed hung up on Orly!

  88. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    ksinde
    nope… min insurance on it….. it was just an extra truck

  89. Ksinde. Says:

    If SCOTUS does stay the electoral vote will we believe Ed then?

  90. ddlew Says:

    MSNBC is blaming the ECONOMY on our soldiers re-enlisting. Re-enlistments have nothing to do with patriotism evidently.

    In bleak economy, soldiers re-enlisting
    .msnbc.msn.com/id/28019406/

  91. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    orly

    didn’t he just write today that bam bam’s mother’s divorce papers were just found?

  92. Ksinde. Says:

    well still cindy, that pisses me off. people need to keep there hands off of other peoples property!

  93. Ksinde. Says:

    I believe so Cindy, do u know orly’s website

  94. Ksinde. Says:

    My hubby doesn’t believe me about BO does not support shooting a robber if they break into your house

    leo on plains

  95. Troy Says:

    Supposedly from a “purchased” cell phone with 5 Minutes of talk time purchased.

    Okay, thanks, I hope they can get a refund on the remaining minutes.

    I gotta say, if I was going to call Ed, I wouldn’t want anyone to know either!

    Oops, Ed hung up on Orly!
    ———————————————————–
    If I wanted to call someone anonymously with top secret news and didn’t want it traced back to me, this would be a good way.
    A throw away phone

  96. j.b. Says:

    If SCOTUS does stay the electoral vote will we believe Ed then?

    Maybe.

    I do not believe that the SCOTUS would have leaked anything re; this case. Nor the WH for that matter. But, I have been wrong before.

    Omgosh-Cort drove thru the night. Bless that mans heart!

  97. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Ksinde
    this was what was posted earlier

    usatodayadforobamarecords.blogspot.com/2008/11/soetoro-divorce-papers-reveal-obama-was.html

  98. Troy Says:

    Mandatory anthrax screening!!!!….That is exactly what I said last night!!!

  99. j.b. Says:

    Yep, Troy, you sure did.

  100. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    ksinde

    if orly is right,…. it kind of proves Bo was adopted

  101. Tenacity Says:

    j.b.
    Greenwich, England is where the Prime Meridian runs through and is considered the International date line. At the second that the clock strikes 2400 there, the whole world is on the same date. 00:01 there is the beginning of the new day for the world.

  102. Ksinde. Says:

    right cindy… when will the skeptics and doubters believe?

    lmao…foxtrot is on plains chat demanding answers…lol…too funny

    fox…you r killing me with the lol

  103. Foxtrot Says:

    Okay, I just got a response to my question on the radio show chat. Someone marked as “Ed Hale” just said that the “stay” on the Electoral College will not come until Friday or Monday.

  104. Foxtrot Says:

    Hey, a girl’s gotta do, what a girl’s gotta do! I will say to you what I said as a cheerleader in my youth—-BE AGGRESSIVE, BE, BE AGGRESSIVE!! I got my answer, didn’t I? LOL!

  105. j.b. Says:

    Awwww, thanks, Tenacity, you just made me smarter!

  106. Ksinde. Says:

    lmao fox…be aggressive, be,be aggressive…lmao rofl

  107. Ksinde. Says:

    if anyone watches Ugly Betty, what is Wilamena’s assistants name?

  108. j.b. Says:

    Okay, I have never been in a chat room-what’s it like?
    Crazy talk all back and forth and chit?

  109. Ksinde. Says:

    nm…it is Mark…sry…it came to me the moment I hit send…dohh

  110. sba1872 Says:

    j.b. Says:
    December 3, 2008 at 2:32 am

    “Okay, I have never been in a chat room-what’s it like?
    Crazy talk all back and forth and chit?”

    Exactly. The text on the screen continually moves as people cross-talk.And when the text stops moving for a few seconds, you can clearly see, Foxtrot say: ROSETTA GANG ROCKS!

  111. j.b. Says:

    Well, I just installed the java thingy, I s’pose I have to restart now?

  112. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    lol yeah Fox is being our cheerleader

  113. sba1872 Says:

    What did that Pooh Person say?

  114. j.b. Says:

    Pooh who?

  115. ddlew Says:

    Listening and playing a little Poker on Pokerstars!

  116. Foxtrot Says:

    Pooh had no sense of humor! I just lost the chat room. Did anyone else?

  117. thinkingmom11 Says:

    you got kicked off – Fox.

    I think the the API moderator and the Plains Radio moderator went to the same moderator school!!

  118. Tenacity Says:

    Orly can chew gum and drive at the same time. Leo is a stick in the mud at times.

  119. ddlew Says:

    Leo is SOOOOO PC. He just told Orly to not drive with her cell phone. What a dork!

  120. thinkingmom11 Says:

    TOTAL DORK!

  121. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    fox
    i think you got blamed for ddlew…..lol

  122. j.b. Says:

    That’s the 4th beer Ed has popped open since coming on.
    Okay, 6th now………

  123. Tenacity Says:

    Now I know why Leo is a phenominal poker player…he has a one track mind. We should have him run the Federal Reserve.

  124. Ksinde. Says:

    fox…lmao…you were soooo funny….u said pooh go poo in your shoe…lmao

  125. ddlew Says:

    Yo FOX….Did I get you booted!!

    🙂

  126. Ksinde. Says:

    jb…lmao

  127. Ksinde. Says:

    Fox & DD I bet u r the friends you go out with and always get you in trouble…lol…my favorite kind of friends 🙂

  128. thinkingmom11 Says:

    I am trying to do school with my kindergardener, listen to Orly, keep up with the chat and here – where’s my duct tape!!!!!

    I am gonna drop the chat – can’t keep up with it anyway (and I am a FAST reader…)

  129. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    fox are you now trot?

  130. ddlew Says:

    Ksinde. Says:
    December 3, 2008 at 2:50 am

    Fox & DD I bet u r the friends you go out with and always get you in trouble…lol…my favorite kind of friends 🙂

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    HAve you been talking to my wife?

  131. Ksinde. Says:

    lol…no…does she say the same thing

  132. sba1872 Says:

    Foxtrot,

    You should just log onto the chat again as “RosettaFan”.

  133. Ksinde. Says:

    lol….yes fox do it…log on as that or Rosseta’s Crew Rocks

  134. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Leo needs to lose the “listen to me” and the “OK” and he needs to learn when to SHUT UP

  135. ddlew Says:

    Ksinde. Says:
    December 3, 2008 at 2:52 am

    lol…no…does she say the same thing
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Her and all of my friend’s wives. 🙂

  136. thinkingmom11 Says:

    can Leo let Orly talk PLEASE

  137. Ksinde. Says:

    I believe it DD!!!

  138. Troy Says:

    Ksinde. Says:

    December 3, 2008 at 2:47 am
    fox…lmao…you were soooo funny….u said pooh go poo in your shoe…lmao
    ———————————–
    Roflmaooo

  139. Ksinde. Says:

    Mom, yes the “ok” and “listen to me” thing gets on my nerves. As much as I support/respect his case and him, he is so condesending at times

  140. Ksinde. Says:

    Darn, where is Orly getting her money from to fund this case???

    leo thinks the radio show is his, he just said ok lets take some calls after the break…lol

  141. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    we talked about the millitary filing suit quite awhile ago……

  142. Tenacity Says:

    I like hearing the background chatter in the studio. Leo just said he wanted to take some calls after the break. He likes interacting with the listeners more than the emcees.

  143. Foxtrot Says:

    Yes, I had to change my name on there to Trot so the Nazi “Pooh” didn’t boot me again!

  144. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    fox

    i thought those were your type prints….. 🙂

  145. Foxtrot Says:

    Ksinde and Troy, I felt the comment to Pooh was both relevant and comical—apparently she didn’t think so.

  146. Tenacity Says:

    Ks,
    either you type faster than me or your computer transmits faster.

  147. sba1872 Says:

    Foxtrot,

    Glad you went back on. Thanks for taking one for the Team!

  148. Foxtrot Says:

    Ksinde. Says:
    December 3, 2008 at 2:50 am

    Fox & DD I bet u r the friends you go out with and always get you in trouble…lol…my favorite kind of friends

    ________

    Have you been talking to my husband?

  149. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    I did one post earlier that wasn’t PC at all……..lol
    when they were talking about Bo’s tic…..

    I asked,…….. are you sure it’s a tic and not a tweek

  150. Foxtrot Says:

    No problem sba! No problem.

  151. Ksinde. Says:

    tena, lol…i have diareha(SP) of the fingers tonight, should have not had that extra cup of joe!!!

  152. Foxtrot Says:

    Just a flesh wound coach, just a flesh wound.

  153. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    ouch….ouch…..ouch

    tears falling……… owieeee.

    nose itched… rubbed my hand over it and my ring had turned…. cut right on the inside of the nose…..

  154. Ksinde. Says:

    Fox…lol…no did not talk to your hubby…wait…r u and dd married??? jk

    Fox I double dog dare u to call into plains and ask Leo a question and at the end of his answer say…Rosetta’s Crew Rocks…lol…wait i better not give u any ideas
    enough with the call waiting beep…geez

  155. ddlew Says:

    Man….I’m chatting, listening, posting here, amd playing Poker.

    OH and Gretta is on in the back ground.

    I’m going nuts!

  156. Ksinde. Says:

    ouch JAC…. now that had to hurt

  157. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    I hate that beep…….. makes me jump most of the time

  158. Ksinde. Says:

    I agree with leo… not fair but McCain is not NBC and is not eligible either 😦

  159. Troy Says:

    wow ….Leo is so condescending (sp)

  160. Ksinde. Says:

    tru dat Troy…very condescending

  161. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    lol…Fox is pushing it…….. she’s gonna get kicked

  162. ddlew Says:

    LEO is VERY condescending. Kind of a brat!

  163. Ksinde. Says:

    LMAO ROFLMFAO!!!! Fox said:

    Okay Leo…The real question here is quite simple…do you think the Rosetta Gang rocks or not???

    lmao

  164. thinkingmom11 Says:

    LET ORLY TALK

  165. ladyliberty Says:

    You are all crazy and I love it!! Thats what keeps me coming back! That and the witty inteligent information.

  166. Foxtrot Says:

    Cindy, most of these people on that chat room are out of the loop. Honestly. Have to entertain myself somehow. Actually had alot of compliments for our blog here. Very nice.

  167. Foxtrot Says:

    Hi Lady Liberty!

  168. Ksinde. Says:

    mean while everyone is chatting seriously and fox chimes in with that…lol

  169. Foxtrot Says:

    See Lady Liberty appreciates our humor. It was getting dull in the radio chat room. Glad you got a chuckle Ksinde.

  170. Tenacity Says:

    Leo saw my chat question…unbelievable

  171. sba1872 Says:

    Foxtrot,

    I’m ale on the chat. Had to show some support for my Rosettasister sister!

  172. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Hi lady

  173. ladyliberty Says:

    Hi all!!
    I missed a couple of days after during the holidays. How did the flyer thing work out? Were there any problems?

  174. thinkingmom11 Says:

    leo is so proud of being so humble…

  175. ddlew Says:

    I sent the message through that he should rake it down a notch. He’s been pretty tame the last few minutes. Hopefully he saw that.

  176. ddlew Says:

    “RAKE”? I meant TAKE! Poker slip of the tongue!

  177. Tenacity Says:

    ladyliberty Says:

    December 3, 2008 at 3:27 am
    Hi all!!
    I missed a couple of days after during the holidays. How did the flyer thing work out? Were there any problems?
    ************
    You will find it at www .IsObamaEligible.com

  178. Ksinde. Says:

    Tenacity Says:

    December 3, 2008 at 3:22 am
    Leo saw my chat question…unbelievable
    ***
    ???

  179. Tenacity Says:

    Ks,
    I asked if the DC March was on or off and he almost immediately said the chatters want to know about the march

  180. Foxtrot Says:

    Ksinde, I wonder if he saw my question about the Rosetta Gang? LOL!

  181. ladyliberty Says:

    Fox – I think you should call in to make sure he got it!

  182. Foxtrot Says:

    Lady, Ksinde, ddlew, sba . . . wouldn’t you crap if I did call in!?!?

  183. sliderblaze Says:

    call trot

  184. Ksinde. Says:

    YESSSSSSSSSSSSS Trot, i will run around the block naked if you do it…lol…do it..do it..do it..do it

    u

  185. Ksinde. Says:

    Tena, i bet he is watching chat…good point

  186. ddlew Says:

    Foxtrot Says:
    December 3, 2008 at 3:46 am

    Lady, Ksinde, ddlew, sba . . . wouldn’t you crap if I did call in!?!?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    YEAH! DO IT!

  187. Ksinde. Says:

    Fox has the bad girl in her tonight! Very awnry tonight…lol

  188. ladyliberty Says:

    OMG – Do it!!!

  189. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Fox – you llama riding mama you!!

  190. inspirational1 Says:

    chicago sun times
    suntimes.com/news/mitchell/1308626,CST-NWS-mitch02.article

    We The People acting like We The Desperate
    Campaign to discredit Obama has gone beyond ridiculous
    Recommended (28) Comments

    December 2, 2008

    BY MARY MITCHELL Sun-Times Columnist
    The people over at the “We The People Foundation for Constitutional Education Inc.” must have money to burn.

    Or in this case, money to throw away.

    The group ran a full-page ad in the Chicago Tribune on Monday as an open letter to President-elect Barack Obama rehashing the misinformation about Obama’s citizenship.

    It has already been established that Obama was born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961. During his campaign, Obama posted his birth certificate on the Internet.

    Contrary to the inflammatory ad, public officials in Hawaii verified that the birth certificate in its possession was indeed authentic.

    With Obama in the midst of picking his Cabinet and packing for the White House, the rumor mill has geared up again.

    Only now, the accusations aren’t funny.

    They are dangerous.

    To insist that Obama is not a natural-born citizen in the face of evidence that proves otherwise feeds the paranoia of people who operate on the fringes.

    These loonies — like the skinheads from Tennessee who planned to dress up in coattails and top-hats and go on a racist killing spree before targeting Obama — eat up conspiracy theories.

    In the age of the BlackBerry, what Mark Twain noted decades ago is still true. “A lie can get halfway around the world before the truth even gets its boots on.”

    When this kind of blatant lie is plastered in a paid ad in one of the president-elect’s hometown newspapers, it shows how much influence the people have who are behind the lies.

    And that’s scary.

    So don’t be fooled by the involvement of We The People Foundation For Constitutional Education Inc.

    The group has a nice-sounding name, but it isn’t in this to assure us that Obama has passed constitutional muster.

    That question has been answered.

    According to its Web site, “We The People Foundation For Constitutional Education Inc. is a New York-based not-for-profit group that is supported by tax-deductible donations.”

    Its chairman, Robert L. Schulz, is best known as a “tax protester,” and has been subject to investigations by the federal government with respect to taxation issues.

    Under the auspices of two nonprofits, Schulz has filed suits against the federal government alleging that there is no law that requires citizens to file income taxes.

    In 2007, the U.S. Justice Department filed a civil suit against Schulz, “We the People Foundation for Constitutional Education Inc.” and “We the People Congress Inc.” in connection with a tax fraud-scheme — a case that Schulz and the groups lost but subsequently appealed, court records show.

    So you’d think this guy might want to keep a low profile.

    Instead, he’s attempting to stir up any lingering anti-Obama sentiments.

    This is just the kind of blatant disrespect that the Obama camp has been good at ignoring.

    Still, it is distressing to see that even after winning 53 percent of the popular vote, and solidly defeating his opponent, John McCain, Obama is being trashed by people like Schulz.

    So here’s my appeal to Schulz:

    Stop it. The election is over. Done. Finished.

    There’s no hope of overturning the results. The people have spoken loud and clear.

    And there’s absolutely no hope of unearthing a bogus or forged birth certificate. If that were the case, don’t you think Sen. Hillary Clinton would have beat you to it during the primary?

    Given the fierce competition, and Clinton’s popularity, if there was some dirt to be dug up, it would have been in her hands.

    But, wait.

    What am I thinking?

    Clinton kept her mouth shut because she wanted to become Obama’s VP pick or secretary of state. That’s the kind of nonsense these conspiracy theorists are pushing.

    Or how about Sen. John McCain?

    I still believe his campaign had something to do with outing Obama’s 56-year-old half-aunt during the last days of the general election.

    The woman was living in the country illegally, and the McCain camp tried every which way to whip the voters into an anti-immigrant frenzy.

    It didn’t work.

    With the election at stake, that was the best they could do. If Obama had had a bogus birth certificate — anywhere — McCain’s forces have likely found it.

    So there must be something else Schulz is looking for.

    Can someone say donations?

  191. Foxtrot Says:

    I really did ride a llama in Peru. I travel all around the world. I have ridden camels, llamas, emus, elephants–the list goes on and on. I was not kidding!

  192. sliderblaze Says:

    my step dad got spit on by a llama, yeah, he was pissed

  193. Foxtrot Says:

    I am trying to get through on the call line but I can’t seem to get through. I will keep trying. Of course, my send off will be . . . . ?

  194. ladyliberty Says:

    But Fox is your fav?

  195. sliderblaze Says:

    petting zoo

  196. ddlew Says:

    Wow….she compared us to terrorists in that article.

  197. Foxtrot Says:

    Crud. I couldn’t get on before Leo left.

  198. ladyliberty Says:

    Better luck next time Fox!

  199. hockeyfan530 Says:

    oh crap that chicago sun times article p&ss*s me off! Someone needs to take out an ad showing why it the bc has been proven a forgery! Man these people are so ignorant. I am really getting angry these days

  200. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    From what I just heard from leo about McCain….

    McCain must of knew about that statue ….. makes sense why he didn’t push the issue about Obama

  201. Ksinde. Says:

    i think leo saw the posts that he needs to be nicer…he seemed to be trying to tone it down a bit

  202. Tenacity Says:

    I’d say Mary Mitchell is about to get a bunch of emails. Polite ones but to the point please. Who’s got Mary’s email to post for everyone?

  203. Foxtrot Says:

    My husband wants to talk with me. Imagine that? I owe him some time tonight. Since it is 11:00 pm here, I am signing off. Have a good night everyone! I will talk with you tomorrow!

  204. hockeyfan530 Says:

    so what IF McCain had something to do with “outing” Obama’s aunt. She’s breaking the law by being here illegaly and Obama knew it. The outcry should be against Obama! This is disgusting

  205. ddlew Says:

    Ksinde. Says:
    December 3, 2008 at 4:01 am

    i think leo saw the posts that he needs to be nicer…he seemed to be trying to tone it down a bit

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I’m sure he’s used to be told to chill.

  206. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    we should all email that idiot from sun times

    she kinda forgot that the SCOTUS is actually hearing the case
    guess they are terrorist too!!!

  207. sliderblaze Says:

    is the sun times a newspaper?

  208. ladyliberty Says:

    I’m out too! 11:00 here too and have to be at work at 6:45.
    Good night all!

  209. sba1872 Says:

    Hey, Foxtrot. YOU ROCK!!! Goodnight.

  210. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    night fox

  211. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    slider…yes they are
    _______
    Lady..good night

  212. hockeyfan530 Says:

    instead of being angry at the criminal she is angry at the informant! Unbelievable. I wonder how many of Obama’s supporters know that he even had dual citizenship? If anything comes of the SC the media needs to be held partly responsible for anything that occurs because of it. This shouldn’t be an issue anymore. This should have been resolved when Obama first starting campaigning for president. I heard mark levin tonight talking about Clinton not being eligible say it was a dead end and it’s boring. So the constitution is now a dead end. Well if you ask me, if that’s the attitude, then voting is also a dead end!

  213. Ksinde. Says:

    From Chicago Sun Article

    “Stop it. The election is over. Done. Finished.

    There’s no hope of overturning the results. The people have spoken loud and clear”

    Notttt… It is not over yet… It is just begining! Only half the people have spoken, the MSM hasn’t let the other half speak and the Justices have not spoken yet!

  214. thinkingmom11 Says:

    You know – I’ll bet I could search 8 years of Sun Times articles and wouldn’t find one telling people to stop trashing Bush. So sorry if I don’t back off of Oblahblah…

  215. sliderblaze Says:

    ok, cus i emailed the editor and told him to do us all a favor and distribute there papers to the homeless for pillows and blankets, it’s about all they are good for.

  216. Tenacity Says:

    Here’s Mary Mitchell’s email: marym@suntimes.com

  217. Ksinde. Says:

    night lady and fox…. fox u the woman…lol…thanks for the laughs!

  218. Ksinde. Says:

    Tena, i am going to email her and tell her, shame on her, journalist should have an open mind. How dare he compare us to those terrorists. Since when are people who believe in and respect the constitution, terrorists? makes me sick.

    She probally a BO lover…wants to ride Obama like a Llama!

  219. thinkingmom11 Says:

    LOL Ks!!!

  220. Ksinde. Says:

    lol

  221. ddlew Says:

    I just emailed the writer of that story from his own story (email link) and gave him Leo’s web page for review.

    Maybe he doesn’t know what’s going on because he get’s his news from the main street media like all the rest.

  222. hockeyfan530 Says:

    In regards to your “report” on the full page ad: So you are of the belief that whenever someone questions a man with a questionable past it’s dangerous!? How about you and most of the mainstream media not questioning a man with a questionable past? Now that, to me, is dangerous!I would like to know whether you and most of your readers are even aware of the fact that Obama did have dual citizenship at birth? Did you also know that one of the several cases in the courts now is using that very fact as the basis for the case against Obama’s citizenship? Did you also know that the birth certificate provided by Obama seems to be a forgery and doesn’t show any of the information necessary to prove citizenship? Do some research for yourself please. Some of the “conspiracy” theories exist because Obama is unknown. He could end this by producing a VAULTED birth certificate. Also do yourself a favor and research his Selective Service Registration. Thank you. Dan

  223. hockeyfan530 Says:

    Polarik needs to take out an ad about why he believes the bc to be a forgery. Same for the SSR

  224. Ksinde. Says:

    ok all…Going to watch House…love Dr. House…then hitting the hay….thanks for the good time tonight!

    Hey where did JAC go??? In my head I am picturing her head on the keyboard drooling on it and snoring…lol…see JAC you should not have gotten your pj’s on.

  225. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    lol….. not snoring,……. not drooling……. kissing the hubby….. he just finally got home

  226. j.b. Says:

    However, WND columnist Janet Porter, who has investigated the dispute, wrote in her column that there are too many questions to ignore.

    “In Hawaii, a Certification of Live Birth is issued within a year of a child’s birth to those who register a birth abroad or one that takes place outside a hospital,” she said.

    “There’s the matter that Obama traveled to Indonesia, Pakistan, Southern India and Kenya in 1981. He said he went to Indonesia to see his mother. This seemed plausible, except for the fact that his mother returned to Hawaii in August of 1980 to file for a divorce from her second husband, Lolo Soetoro. Unless she went back to pal around with the man she divorced, she wasn’t there at the time of Obama’s visit,” Porter wrote.

    “There’s another problem. No record of Obama holding an American passport prior to the one he received once becoming a U.S. senator has been found. If he traveled to Pakistan with an American passport, he wouldn’t have been allowed in – since Pakistan was in turmoil in 1981 and under martial law. It was also on the State Department’s travel ban list for U.S. citizens,” she wrote.

    “If he couldn’t get into Pakistan with a U.S. passport, perhaps he went there with an Indonesian passport. But the only way you can get one of those is if you are an Indonesian citizen,” she wrote.

    Snipped from WND. This is reqally bugging me-Who “helped” Obama get his U.S. passport?

  227. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Ok I just emailed that Mary Mitchell
    ___________________

    Mary Mitchell & Editors

    I am offended by your article of Dec 2. Comparing those who only want to make sure the truth is sorted out for he is actually elected by the electoral on Dec 15 to terrorist.

    He may have a fancy sign that says the office of the President Elect; which is quite childish by the way; but until after the Electoral vote he is just a common person.

    Are you familiar with the fact they are now 5 cases filed with the SCOTUS?

    CONFIRMED BY SCOTUS: DONOFRIO V. WELLS WAS DISTRIBUTED FOR CONFERENCE OF DECEMBER 5, 2008 BY THE FULL UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT AFTER FIRST HAVING BEEN REFERRED TO THE COURT BY JUSTICE THOMAS.

    On November 19, 2008, the official United States Supreme Court Docket for case number 08A407 – Leo C. Donofrio v. Nina Mitchell Wells, Secretary of State of the State of New Jersey

    I would assume not since you lumped all the loonies together who thought this issue had any merit. Comparing us to terrorist; that mean would you consider the highest justices of the land terrorist??

    Only half the people have spoken, the MSM hasn’t let the other half speak and the Justices have not spoken yet!

    Bam Bam has DUAL citizenship….. He has admitted this…..it equals not qualified to be president. why do you think he has paid law FIRMS over $500,000 in legal fees to keep hidden his BC and other Documents.

    Factcheck is not a legal entity and has no standing. We only want the original documents and nothing more. Since we are in a sense his employer we have the right to ask.

    Hawaii only said there was a Certified Birth Record on file, “Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178 allows registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the child’s birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence,” the document said. “The only way to know where Mr. Obama was actually born is to view Mr Obama’s LONG LEGAL original birth certificate from 1961 that shows the name of the hospital and the name and signature of the doctor that delivered him.”

    What I think is dangerous is you claiming you have all the facts when it is clear you gather your information from the funny papers.

    You are a disgrace and I will be passing your email and the email of your chief editors to every blog I can. you don’t deserve the privilege of speaking to the public.

    (¯`v´¯)
    `*.¸.*´ Cindy
    ¸.•´¸.•*¨) ¸.•*¨)
    (¸.•´ (¸.•´ .•´ ¸¸.•¨¯`•

  228. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    ksinde

    hope you don’t mind…… but you posted a line I thought was just GREAT so I borrowed it.

  229. j.b. Says:

    Well done, Cindy. And on that note, I am done. Toast. Burnt. (out)

    g’night.

  230. j.b. Says:

    Well done, Cindy. And on that note, I am done. Toast. Burnt. (out)

    g’night.

  231. Tenacity Says:

    Cindy,
    I approached this just a little differently than you did and will be courious to see what response we get if any.

  232. Tenacity Says:

    What does a tree falling in the forest where no one can hear it sound like?

    I’m last! Whoopeeee!

    zzzzzzzzzzz

  233. Troy Says:

    Wow, that was kick-azz Cindy!!!….I couldn’t have wrote it better myself…..WTG!!!!

  234. Bones Says:

    Fox eases into the BC issue:

    http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=3245079&referralPlaylistId=cdf6b55bc33febfa6b639972645aa7895d35e3d1

  235. doctordebug Says:

    Hi there, have been an occasional poster at API and lurker here, thought it time I officially said Hi and thanked all of you (esp Rosetta) for keeping all of this alive. If we succeed in having BO declared ineligible, this blog will be one of the reasons. Thanks for keeping the hope alive and the information flowing freely.

    The Doctor

  236. Bones Says:

    Hi Rose… thought I would be immune to moderation … link above to FOX video mentioning Supreme Court case and Obama’s eligibility.

  237. Bones Says:

    Ah… it was the link…. here it is again, FOX eases into the BC issue:

    http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=3245079&referralPlaylistId=cdf6b55bc33febfa6b639972645aa7895d35e3d1

  238. Bones Says:

    Ah, it was the link… here it is again (third try). FOX eases into the BC issue and Supreme Court cases:

    w w w.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=3245079&referralPlaylistId=cdf6b55bc33febfa6b639972645aa7895d35e3d1

  239. sliderblaze Says:

    so this is what i wrote her earlier,

    Mary Mitchell,

    There are many things in past history that boggles ones mind, your article would fall into that category. Am I expected to believe that you or your research team (if you have one) have failed to use the google button effectively? This i can not believe for you would have found out through simple 3rd grade research that my son can do, that you would have stumbled upon a website entitled naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/ in which you would be able to read the contents (sentences go from left to right) and discover that the supreme court has taken on and fully distributed for all justices to read. I would fail to believe, as a rational human being (seems to exclude the media these days) that the supreme court would be willing to entertain, for one iota of a nano second, the wild and scurrolous claims of a “we the desperate” “tin foiled hatted” conspiracy theorist populous. So, i would ASSume that one could take away from the (something i might have stepped in) article you have “written” and come away with the conclusion that you know damn well what the facts are and just choose to ignore them, throw facts be damned into the wind thus creating a so called article, transformed by ideology, into something that should just be considered propaganda or just plain run of the mill shit? There was a time in our nations great history, when we called those who stood up for a principles (constitution) even before it was created and ratified, as patriots. You have turned freedom of the press, into the “helper to oppress” Who in the hell, gave you the right, to compare the defenders of our constitution (in which my father fought for) to terrorists. I’d say shame on you, but that wouldnt even begin to cover it. Instead, I’d like to take this time to remind you, of the hundreds of thousands of soldiers, who have shed blood in the defense of, on foreign and domestic lands of, the protection of, the constitutional rights of, what OUR fore fathers fought to create. When we as a nation, start to marginalize the constitution, we descend into chaos. If there happens, God help us, be any unrest as a result of this issue (you know, the constitutional issue you been ignoring) you, the media well be held as public enemy number 1, for it is you, who are suppose to be looking out for us. I am 31 years old and i cant remember a time i’ve felt so betrayed by the protectors of freedom, YOU, the media, who claim to wanna know the truth, no matter what form she may take. Journalism has no become a four letter word amongst my circle of friends(and it is extensive) that four letter word being…..BIAS. You’ve become a laughing stock, we now get our news from the internet, you know, the old laughing stock.

    I am not like my brethren in the respect i cant hold my tongue when it comes to the likes of you. My people (the Cherokee) shed blood for this country, before this country, was a country. So when i hear the likes of you, compare my fellow citizens for whom i have the up most respect for, defending what this great nation has become, to terrorist, well, lets just say, you’re lucking we’ve become “civilized”. Remember the shot heard around the world? Make no mistake about it, the media is on notice, the marginalized majority is no longer silent, the day of reckoning has begun.

    Peace be upon you when you look in the mirror….

    Slider!!!!

  240. Troy Says:

    Bravo!!!….Slider

  241. slider77 Says:

    i’m fired up. i contacted all my friends today, only 5 out of the 50 i called, knew anything about this….it’s shameful i tell you, they all know now and are all pissed off, mccain and obama supporters alike….

  242. sliderblaze Says:

    i’m pissed, my friends get their news from a verity of sources and only 5 of them knew about the scotus cases. i wrote one letter earlier, then i called around, and wrote this one…

  243. Troy Says:

    A sad state of affairs indeed

  244. sliderblaze Says:

    on a scale of 1 to i cant stand these people, i really cant stand these people

  245. sliderblaze Says:

    im at the conclusion that i think we need a civil war to bitch slap the bitches back into line and get out the way

  246. Troy Says:

    well when the poop hits the fan I will set up my own feeder…It will be baited with Kool-Aid and arugala….We have no bag limits here in Texas

  247. Troy Says:

    sliderblaze Says:

    December 3, 2008 at 8:58 am
    im at the conclusion that i think we need a civil war to bitch slap the bitches back into line and get out the way
    ————————————————————
    I think you’re gonna get your wish

    Lock-n-Load

  248. sliderblaze Says:

    lol, i live in the city, i’m torn between buying more ammo or going to my parents house, decisions decisions

  249. sliderblaze Says:

    every now and again, the dead weight needs to be put curb side

  250. Troy Says:

    Cities won’t be a good place to be!!!….I’m in the country side

  251. Troy Says:

    I’m with you though, Slider….I think it’s high time this country had a good old fashion political enima…There are lots of turds that need flushing out.

  252. sliderblaze Says:

    my block def. wont f$#k with my house, especially after the shotgun incident

  253. sliderblaze Says:

    agreed. liberals parading around mascerading as patriots…gage

  254. sliderblaze Says:

    my sister flew in for thankgiving from L.A. I had to sit her down and listen to leo talk…..she was like “is this for real” i was like, you bet your brainwashed ass it is. she left here with a whole different frame of mind. (shes a celeb. makeup artist)

  255. Troy Says:

    Well was she mad at Obama or at opposition for having the gall to question “The One”?

  256. Troy Says:

    Fortunately for me, I don’t have to listen to any Obots around here…They are an endangered species here

  257. sliderblaze Says:

    i showed her the video on obama supporter documtry on how ill informed they are, she fell into that cat. She was obama this obama that when she got here. i just questioned her on some basics. then told her that there were supreme court cases pending, she said, well, i didnt hear it on cnn and you are going off the internet blah blah blah.

    let her listen to leo on plains and she heard how fired up he was on the sabotage and the case he has. it was over, she asked why wasnt it being reported on tv….. she’s mad that she was lied to. she assumed, like everyone else, that he was vetted

  258. sliderblaze Says:

    Lancaster county pa voted 62% for mccain

  259. sliderblaze Says:

    it just that most of my friends are minorities and they know better to debate me, i leave them looking well…..like typical democrats, ill informed and dumb

  260. Troy Says:

    New laws need to be enacted that make journalist independent from there bosses and can sue the pants off any organization that tries to dictate what they can and cannot report.

  261. Troy Says:

    What the media has done is beyond the pale….There needs to be some serious retribution and a reckoning

  262. sliderblaze Says:

    i cant wait for that day

  263. Troy Says:

    I just sent this email to Fox News
    ————————————————————-

    On the “Special Report” segment regarding the US Supreme Court case involving Obama’s eligibility to hold the office of president, it was stated that one other such case has already been thrown out.

    That is absolutely FALSE!!!….There are currently three cases and has NEVER been a fourth, against Barack Obama’s eligibility in the US Supreme Court.

    Plaintiffs are: Leo Donofrio, Cort Wrotnowski, and Phillip Berg

    I can assure you that all three cases are alive and well!!!

    I can also tell you that three additional cases are due to arrive at the US Supreme Court any day now….They also will be challenging Obama’s eligibility to hold the office of the US President.

    And that’s not all, there are still more cases yet besides the above mentioned that are headed in the same direction.

    It’s a complete travesty the the MSM has not been reporting on this since, in all likelihood, the SCOTUS is going to rule AGAINST Barack Obama.

    It’s also a travesty that when Fox News FINALLY did report on the matter, that they couldn’t even report the information accurately.

    Shame on you guys!!!

    Have you people noticed you ratings across the board, sinking yet?

    I was as loyal of a Fox News fan as anyone else, but you people let me down through this election season and you lost me….I no longer watch ANY of the MSM on television….I like many many others, now rely solely on the Internet…We have learned how to sift the the garbage and find our own factual information…We now do our own vetting of candidates and others….We, the citizen journalist, are quickly becoming the new MSM….Everywhere I go on the Internet loyal ex Fox News fans tell me that they too will no longer watch Fox.
    This is such a shame, it didn’t have to be like this Fox…Wake Up!!!!

    I know all about Robert Ailes telling you guys to lay off of Obama.
    So you mean to tell me that you “journalist” have sold out and caved in?….Shame Shame….Try to collect what’s left of your journalistic gonads and tell Ailes where to shove it…If you guys don’t, then we will continue to tell him for you as the ratings continue to decline.

    If it’s any consolation, you guys are all Edward R. Murrow’s compared to the folks at CNN, but unfortunately that is not saying much.

    Good luck to you all, it was nice while it lasted.

  264. indy500 Says:

    sliderblaze Says:
    December 3, 2008 at 8:58 am
    __________________________________

    Dude – Ever been in a situation where the poop has hit the fan and you’re the fan, standing knee deep in stinking smelly sludge? It’s not a glorious thing and certainly nothing to be hoped for.

    I think if things go the way they are looking, O is gonna dig his heels in and fight. He’s gonna count on the hope and change thing that fooled so many people. His hope and change will mean an end to rule of law which is our constitution. If enough people side for the constitution, then he’ll revert to the “in your face” strategy of his community organizing training. That will probably be when the poop hits the fan. Believe me, when poop hits a rotating object, it ain’t pretty. The whole thing hinges on how O will react, if the court of the land rules the way it should after seeing evidence, we’re in for a rough ride. I don’t look forward to it, but the one to blame will be the anointed one. I don’t look forward to it and our country will survive but not after some major suffering..

  265. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    Good Morning–USA– anyone here?

  266. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    Go Saxby! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Go Saxby, Go Saxby! Yeah

  267. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    Ok I’m going to make coffee. I must be the only east coaster here! Get up people! I need news and views and all that jazz!

  268. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    Ok… Since I have the floor…I’ll talk– someone asked yesterday about the gov putting troops in the US by -11

    My theory: let me adjust my bright shiny red tin hat first– oops little tassle fell off,

    Ok..I’m ready: 2012 the earth’s poles are supposed to shift causing mass destruction. Also, 2012 the sun’s poles are supposed to flip (did it in 2001) and there is supposed to be destruction all over the world. I think this is why the gov. is trying to move toward a global system. I think it is the reason for the “FEMA Camps”. I think the gov. doesn’t want to cause mass panic and alarm, just in case the scientists have it wrong. However, given that the North Pole has now moved to Canada, and the shift is going to rapidly change as the polar caps melt– World Govs. are trying to figure out who and how to maintain control after everyone is washed out to sea or crushed beneath shifting mountains.

    Might be a good time to move to the space station, huh?

  269. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    Now I’m going to make coffee– and peppermint fudge. Yummy. and bake Christmas cookies… I think I’ll dec. them with little red tin hats…and lots of tinsel, I mean sprinkles:)

  270. ladyliberty Says:

    JAC, Slider, Troy – Great letters! I doubt Ms. Mitchell will care much, but she will when the general public is saying WTH when all of this stuff comes out. But, I expect that (sadly) from the media elite that think they know better than everyone else what “news” and “information” should be aired.

    Fox News should take this to heart. They have failed their loyal listeners in a big way and should be ashamed.

  271. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    indy500 Says:

    I think if things go the way they are looking, O is gonna dig his heels in and fight. He’s gonna count on the hope and change thing that fooled so many people. His hope and change will mean an end to rule of law which is our constitution. If enough people side for the constitution, then he’ll revert to the “in your face” strategy of his community organizing training. That will probably be when the poop hits the fan. Believe me, when poop hits a rotating object, it ain’t pretty. The whole thing hinges on how O will react, if the court of the land rules the way it should after seeing evidence, we’re in for a rough ride. I don’t look forward to it, but the one to blame will be the anointed one. I don’t look forward to it and our country will survive but not after some major suffering.
    *******************************************
    Indy, I don’t think it will ever make it that far. I think that a certain someone of noble distinction among the mass populace will have a fatal attraction with a moving object and then there will be a grave service and much fanfare— and a certain lady who has had great distinction will take the role that is left open from the man who made the hole in the big system. (You can all send me flowers when it happens and say I am a seer) No, I don’t have any inside information, just going by things of Biblical proportion…

    Now, was that cryptic or what!

  272. indy500 Says:

    PeppermintPatty777 Says:
    December 3, 2008 at 1:49 pm
    _________________________________

    Like any other guy that has walked the face of the earth, I’m probably reading the woman point of view wrong. I think you may be talking about Hillary, I hope you’re talking about Palin but either one would be far better than O.

    I wonder what Bill thinks about the consessions he made so that Hillary could be Sec. of State.

  273. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    Hey Indy!

    Yeah, I wish I were talking about Palin, but that isn’t what I see in the “stars”… I think this thing is so much bigger than most can imagine, that Hil has been put into place where she is set to be…all for a purpose.

    I do wish it would be Palin–she’s a class act who could get things done. Just my little ole honest op!

  274. Cyndi Says:

    My theory: let me adjust my bright shiny red tin hat first– oops little tassle fell off

    Patty wow I love your hat! Good theory to by the way. Hadn’t ever thought about that. Loved everyones letters to by the way.

    Apparently I have broken the Fair Access Policy and gone above my bandwidth, my internet wouldn’t work last night. Of course I was freaked I wanted to go to plains at 8, it’s working off and on and slowly. So I hope ya’ll are gonna be good surfers and posters today. I have no idea how long it will be before its up and running again.

  275. ladyliberty Says:

    Thought you all would enjoy this

    SCHOOL — 1957 vs. 2007

    Scenario 1:
    Jack goes quail hunting before school and then pulls into the school parking lot with his shotgun in his truck’s gun rack.
    1957 – Vice Principal comes over, looks at Jack’s shotgun, goes to his car and gets his shotgun to show Jack.
    2007 – School goes into lock down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers.

    Scenario 2:
    Johnny and Mark get into a fist fight after school.
    1957 – Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johny and Mark shake hands and end up buddies.
    2007 – Police called and SWAT team arrives — they arrest both Johny and Mark. They are both charged them with assault and both expelled even though Johny started it.

    Scenario 3:
    Jeffrey will not be still in class, he disrupts other students.
    1957 – Jeffrey sent to the Principal’s office and given a good paddling by the Principal. He then returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.
    2007 – Jeffrey is given huge doses of Ritalin. He becomes a zombie. He is then tested for ADD. The school gets extra money from the state because Jeffrey has a disability.

    Scenario 4:
    Billy breaks a window in his neighbor’s car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.
    1957 – Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college and becomes a successful businessman.
    2007 – Billy’s dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy is removed to foster care and joins a gang. The state psychologist is told by Billy’s sister that she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison. Billy’s mom has an affair with the psychologist.

    Scenario 5:
    Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school.
    1957 – Mark shares his aspirin with the Principal out on the smoking dock.
    2007 – The police are called and Mark is expelled from school for drug violations. His car is then searched for drugs and weapons.

    Scenario 6:
    Pedro fails high school English.
    1957 – Pedro goes to summer school, passes English and goes to college.
    2007 – Pedro’s cause is taken up by state. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against the state school system and Pedro’s English teacher. English is then banned from core curriculum. Pedro is given his diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.

    Scenario 7:
    Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from the Fourth of July, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle and blows up a red ant bed.
    1957 – Ants die.
    2007 – ATF, Homeland Security and the FBI are all called. John ny is charged with domestic terrorism. The FBI investigates his parents — and all siblings are removed from their home and all computers are confiscated. Johnny’s dad is placed on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.

    Scenario 8:
    Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee. He is found crying by his teacher, Mary. Mary hugs him to comfort him.
    1957 – In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing.
    2007 – Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces 3 years in State Prison. John ny undergoes 5 years of therapy.

  276. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    I just received an email from a friend, and a fwd…”We learn just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no real oversight by anyone, has “loaned” two trillion dollars (that is $2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom or why or disclose the terms. ”

    Anyone know what the hoohaa this is about? What 2 trillion dollars? I knew my banking account was a little short this month, but 2 trillion dollars! I could have bought new shoes with that– or heat for a friend who doesn’t have any for her and her four children, or food for 2 trillion Kenyans (well, ok so there are not 2 trillion Kenyans in the entire world)

  277. thinkingmom11 Says:

    I just got over to the SunTimes to do a little research on Ms. Mitchell and my goodness!!! When the home page opened I thought I was looking at an Doubt this gal is gonna listen to anything we say — but I’m gonna say it anyway. So There.

    .suntimes.com/index.html

  278. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    TM: I think they will listen to you. They may not like what you say, and they may turn a blind eye, but they will hear. Having heard, it will be their responsibility to do the right thing. When they fail, it will be on their heads…you will have sounded the alarm–that’s all you can do.

  279. sdee Says:

    This showed up as a lead story in Google News’ “Top Stories” section. Still “glossy” on real facts, but showing up even briefly on Google News, indicates it is getting hits and link backs.

    chicagotribune.com/news/politics/obama/chi-obama-ad-03-dec03,0,3124041.story

  280. ladyliberty Says:

    Just got this from Townhall
    ________________________________________
    Team Obama:”All I can tell you is that it is just pure garbage.”
    ________________________________________
    According to the WorldNetDaily headline above, that was the retort of an Obama campaign spokesperson when asked about complaints requesting that Senator Obama produce a valid Birth Certificate to prove that he is constitutionally eligible to be President of the United States.

    Article 2, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States, states, “No person except a natural born citizen of the United States, at the time of adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President.”

    The Constitution of the United States is NOT “garbage” and furthermore, securing the rights of the people under the Constitution is NOT “garbage”!

    The Obama campaign’s response is an elitist, condescending slap in the face to patriotic Americans. No one is above the law and Team Obama cannot make the question of Obama’s eligibility go away by disrespecting the American people – and, by inference, the Constitution of the United States.

    That’s why we just filed an action that Senator Obama will not be able to ignore… an action that WILL NOT GO AWAY!

    In fact, in my humble opinion… we will ONLY “LOSE” if we do NOT have the resources we need to carry on for as long as it takes, and we will “win” as long as we can carry on this fight (more on that later).

    SO PLEASE KEEP READING… I promise that when you’re done, you will agree that we have filed the mother of all actions.
    The United States Justice Foundation (USJF) is a nonprofit public interest, legal action organization and has been your conservative voice in the courts since 1979. And since USJF is a 501(c)3 nonprofit, your generous assistance is also TAX DEDUCTIBLE!

    You can use this link or the hyperlink below to help – it’s TAX DEDUCTIBLE. Is it worth a TAX DEDUCTIBLE effort of $5000 or $2500 or even $100 or $50 or $25 to defend the Constitution and the integrity of our electoral process?

    The Obama campaign has a crack team of high-priced law firms – that’s not three lawyers but THREE LAW FIRMS – that will use every means that money can buy to fight this action. We’re relying on you and patriotic Americans like you.

    https://secure.conservativedonations.com/usjf_house/?a=1938

    Please use the hyperlink above to make your best TAX-DEDUCTIBLE effort to be a part of this battle.

    Why The “Berg Case” Is Dead In The Water And Why USJF Will Succeed…

    You probably already know that Pennsylvania attorney Philip J. Berg filed a suit in U.S. District Court several months back contending that Senator Obama is not a “natural-born” citizen.

    And you probably already know that the court dismissed the suit claiming that Berg, as a private citizen, “lacked standing to bring the case.”

    Of course, Berg is not the only one who has filed an action and the “Berg Case” is not the only one in which the courts have relied upon the lack-of-standing technicality.

    Georgia Superior Court Judge Jerry W. Baxter denied an action saying to the plaintiff Rev. Tom Terry, “I don’t think you have standing to bring this suit.”

    Washington State Superior Court Judge John Erlick dismissed yet another suit ruling that even the Secretary of State did not have authority to inquire about Senator Obama’s birth certificate.

    Can you believe it? What’s going on? Well, perhaps Berg said it best;
    “This is a question of who has standing to uphold our Constitution. If I don’t have standing, if you don’t have standing, if your neighbor doesn’t have standing to question the eligibility of an individual to be president of the United States – the commander in chief, the most powerful person in the world – then who does?”

    Of course, Berg’s statement also illustrates why the “Berg Case” and some of these other actions are doomed to fail and why we believe our action WILL succeed!

    Simply stated, the lack-of-standing argument is already out there. Yes, it’s egregious but the all too sad reality is that judges will continue to grab onto it like a life-preserver now that it has been put into play… the die has been cast!

    That’s why USJF is taking a different approach. Our petitioners are Dr. Alan Keyes, Dr. Wiley S. Drake, Sr. and Markham Robinson!

    We state in the Petition we just filed with the court:
    “The parties in this case have standing to bring this litigation, due to the fact that Dr. Keyes and Dr. Drake, Sr., are candidates on the California ballot for President and Vice President of the United States, and Mr. Robinson is an Elector for the Keyes-Drake ticket, and Vice Chairman of America’s Independent Party, of Fenton, Michigan, which nominated Dr. Keyes for President. He is also a Chairman of the American Independent Party (California), which nominated Dr. Keyes and Dr. Drake for President and Vice President, respectively. Based on the foregoing, it is imperative for SOS to be provided proof that Senator Obama is a ‘natural born’ citizen.”
    Alan Keyes and Wiley Drake were actually on the ballot in California and Markham Robinson is an Elector for Keyes-Drake. If they don’t have standing, one would be hard-pressed to find ANYONE who has standing and if the court attempts to use the lack-of-standing argument, it’s an implied admission that NO ONE has standing to enforce the Constitution!
    The United States Justice Foundation (USJF) is a nonprofit public interest, legal action organization and has been your conservative voice in the courts since 1979. And since USJF is a 501(c)3 nonprofit, your generous assistance is also TAX DEDUCTIBLE!

    You can use this link or the hyperlink below to help – it’s TAX DEDUCTIBLE. Is it worth a TAX DEDUCTIBLE effort of $5000 or $2500 or even $100 or $50 or $25 to defend the Constitution and the integrity of our electoral process?

    The Obama campaign has a crack team of high-priced law firms – that’s not three lawyers but THREE LAW FIRMS – that will use every means that money can buy to fight this action. We’re relying on you and patriotic Americans like you.

    https://secure.conservativedonations.com/usjf_house/?a=1938

    Please use the hyperlink above to make your best TAX-DEDUCTIBLE effort to be a part of this battle.

    The Usurper-in-Chief…

    Now… a dose of reality. Frankly, a case of this magnitude could be in the courts for years. There are no quick solutions… BUT THAT’S OKAY.

    The key is in the following statement which also appears in the Petition:

    “Should Senator Obama be discovered, after he takes office, to be ineligible for the Office of President of the United States of America and, thereby, his election declared void, Petitioners, as well as other Americans, will suffer irreparable harm in that an usurper will be sitting as the President of the United States, and none of the treaties, laws, or executive orders signed by him will be valid or legal.”

    Part of that statement bears repeating:

    “… none of the treaties, laws, or executive orders signed by him will be valid or legal.”

    In other words, as long as this case is in the courts, a cloud hangs over Senator Obama’s head and for the sake of our Constitution and our Republic, the issue MUST be resolved!

    If President Obama issues an Executive Order to rescind the Mexico City Policy and allows the tax dollars of Americans to fund organizations that promote abortions overseas, the door to question the legitimacy of that Executive Order remains open.

    If President Obama signs a treaty with an unfriendly power or an agreement with the United Nations, the door to question the legitimacy of that treaty remains open.

    If President Obama signs a bill granting amnesty to illegal aliens into law, the door to question the legitimacy of that law remains open.

    If President Obama appoints new Commissioners to the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) who bring back the so-called Fairness Doctrine, the door to question those appointments and the legitimacy of the actions taken by his appointees remains open.

    That’s not to say that he can’t or won’t be able to fulfill the duties of his office, but until this matter is resolved… until he can validate that he is constitutionally eligible to be President of the United States, the door will always remain open to question and challenge the legitimacy of his actions and the dire consequences of those actions.

    In short… as long as we have the resources to fight, we’re ahead of the game!

    That’s where you come in.
    The United States Justice Foundation (USJF) is a nonprofit public interest, legal action organization and has been your conservative voice in the courts since 1979. And since USJF is a 501(c)3 nonprofit, your generous assistance is also TAX DEDUCTIBLE!

    You can use this link or the hyperlink below to help – it’s TAX DEDUCTIBLE. Is it worth a TAX DEDUCTIBLE effort of $5000 or $2500 or even $100 or $50 or $25 to defend the Constitution and the integrity of our electoral process?

    The Obama campaign has a crack team of high-priced law firms – that’s not three lawyers but THREE LAW FIRMS – that will use every means that money can buy to fight this action. We’re relying on you and patriotic Americans like you.

    https://secure.conservativedonations.com/usjf_house/?a=1938

    Please use the hyperlink above to make your best TAX-DEDUCTIBLE effort to be a part of this battle.

    I’m Not Living In The Real World…

    To be brutally blunt, a case of this magnitude may not be won or lost on the merits.

    I’m very proud of USJF’s accomplishments over the past 29 years.

    We’ve defended Minuteman Civil Defense Corps members protecting our borders from illegal aliens.

    We handled litigation against Hillary Clinton for campaign finance fraud in her 2000 Senate race.

    We’ve submitted testimony before the United States Senate on Supreme Court appointees.

    But all that won’t really matter. It won’t matter which side has the most skilled attorneys. Talent, competence and experience do not assure victory.

    Here’s the bottom line.

    Team Obama presently has THREE LAW FIRMS at its disposal – and a seemingly unlimited ability to raise funds from the far-left for more legal help.

    This potentially translates to hundreds of attorneys and law clerks who can literally throw paperwork at us until we crack under the sheer pressure and cry uncle.

    Team Obama WILL try to wear us down (which by the way is yet another reason why the “Berg Case” and many of the others – as mentioned earlier – are doomed to fail and why we CAN get the job done).

    They’ll stall and delay and throw paperwork at us so fast, so furiously and for so long… then they’ll wait for us to break under the strain and give up. Or so they think…

    Team Obama doesn’t fear our skill or the merits of our case.

    The ONLY THING THEY FEAR IS YOU!

    They hope and pray that you will not support our efforts or that you will grow tired of the fight. What they fear most is that you will join us and support our efforts!

    They know that if you support us, we’ll have the ability to take on additional clerical and research staff, cover court fees, file briefs and take on outside counsel on an as-needed basis.

    That’s why they’re praying you don’t help us… but we’re praying that you do!

    USJF wasn’t approached by a group of hot-shot movers and shakers. We took on this burden because like you we love this great country and we REFUSE to stand idly by while the Left disrespects the Constitution, the American people and our electoral process.

    USJF is a nonprofit public interest, legal action organization. We go where others fear to tread. We’re adept at taking on vastly superior forces. And we’re committed to hitting the trenches on this one and willing to get bloody if we must.

    That’s our promise to you.

    But, in the end, our commitment and our “pit-bull” determination doesn’t amount to a hill of beans.

    Winning or losing is NOT in our control… and it’s not in Team Obama’s control… IT’S IN YOUR HANDS!

    A lot of folks are very angry over Barack Obama’s refusal to validate his eligibility to be President of the United States.

    Is it worth a TAX DEDUCTIBLE effort of $5000 or $2500 or even $100 or $50 or $25 to defend the Constitution, the rights of Patriotic Americans under the Constitution and the integrity of our electoral process?

    Is it worth forwarding this e-mail to your family and friends with a personal note asking them to join the fight?

    The choice is now up to you.

    Please help us and after helping us, please forward this e-mail to everyone in your address book.

    We’re in… how about you?
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    The Obama campaign has a crack team of high-priced law firms – that’s not three lawyers but THREE LAW FIRMS – that will use every means that money can buy to fight this action. We’re relying on you and patriotic Americans like you.

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    In His Service

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    United States Justice Foundation

  281. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    i didn’t just email Mary Mitchell I CC’d
    5 other of her editors 🙂

  282. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    lady great walk back in to history 🙂 ….. I wasn’t here in 1957 but understand
    ________

    morning everyone

  283. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    i didn’t save the link but the hawaii newspaper has ruffled feathers over the Chicago ad

  284. Cyndi Says:

    UPDATE: Rabbi’s wife was 6 months pregnant and 2 year old Moshe was beaten

    atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/

    And the couple had 3 children. Their first died at 3 1/2 from Tay Sach’s and their 2nd child is being treated in a hospital in Israel for Tay Sach’s also then then Moshe was their 3rd child and then of course she was pregnant with 4th child.

  285. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    The United States Department of State’s Foreign Affairs Manual at 7FAM1116.1-4(c):

    “Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to U.S. jurisdiction and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth.”
    The Constitution confers three types of citizen status:

    – “natural born citizen”, but only with regard to eligibility to hold the office of President
    – “citizen” to those born in the United States via the 14th Amendment
    – “citizen” to those naturalized in the United States via the 14th amendment

    John McCain was neither born on United States soil, nor was he naturalized. He is a citizen at birth by statute. This is discussed in the Foreign Affairs Manual:

    7 FAM 1131.6-3 Not Citizens by “Naturalization”

    Section 201(g) NA and section 301(g) INA (formerly section 301(a)(7) INA) both specify that naturalization is “the conferring of nationality of a state upon a person after birth.” Clearly, then, Americans who acquired their citizenship by birth abroad to U.S. citizens are not considered naturalized citizens under either act. (Emphasis added.)
    McCain is in the class of citizens who obtain their citizenship at birth, but not from the Constitution, but rather federal statute. In Rogers v. Bellei, 401 U.S. 815, 828 (1971). The Supreme Court stated:

    …[C]children born abroad of Americans are not citizens within the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment.”… “To this day, the Constitution makes no provision for jus sanguinis, or citizenship by descent… “Our law in this area follows English concepts with an acceptance of the jus soli, that is, that the place of birth governs citizenship status except as modified by statute.” Id. at 828.

  286. thinkingmom11 Says:

    This is the letter I sent to Ms. Mitchell. A couple of you already ripped her a new one (deservedly so) so I wanted to go about getting her attention another way. I tried to present to her how I came to doubt Obama’s citizenship and invited her to just look into it honestly and see what she finds. I had to pretend I was writing to my mom so I would start yelling obscenities though…Here it is:

    Dear Ms. Mitchell,

    I would like to tell you a little bit about myself. I am a 40 year old stay at home, mother of four living in California. I have a college degree and have been married to the same man for 15 years. I worry about paying all the bills, putting four kids in college and paying for two weddings someday, scheduling in when to grocery shop, how to get all the laundry done and when to mop the floor among many other ordinary things. I tell you this to hopefully help you understand that you have included people just like me in your “loonies” who are questioning Obama’s citizenship.

    In fact, I thought it WAS a loony, conspiracy theory when I first heard about it. THEN, I did a little research on my own. There is a lot of crazy stuff on the internet but there is real news out there if you use discernment and don’t get too carried away with all of the wild theories out there.

    I think that if you research this birth certificate/natural born citizenship issue a little deeper, then you too may come up with questions you want answers to. Let me take you on the journey I have gone on to come to the conclusions I have drawn. First, I found out that many people were questioning Obama’s citizenship and where he was born. I found the “Certification of Live Birth” posted online and believed “problem solved” even though I was wondering why his certificate didn’t look anything like most birth certificates I have seen. Then, there was some pretty meaningful evidence produced that the document may have been tampered with or was a forgery all together. That got my attention a little bit.

    Then it was revealed that Hawaii, in 1961, would issue a “Certification of Live Birth” (which, in Hawaii is actually different than a “Certificate of Birth”) to any child under 1 year of age who was born anywhere outside of a Hawaiian hospital – wether home-born or even born abroad! That really got my curiousity up and I though that Obama would just call the State of Hawaii and have them release his long form birth certificate and it would be done. But he didn’t. That made me start wondering.

    As the pressure built around this issue, and more and more of the internet community started addressing this I kept waiting to see when he would finally just issue his birth certificate. But he didn’t, and still hasn’t. In fact, some sources claim that Sen. Obama has spent upwards of $500,000 to NOT disclose a $10 certificate! That absolutely doesn’t pass the smell test.

    Well, the longer his avoidance tactics went on, more and more people started wondering not only what he may be hiding (including some really wild speculation as to who his father – and even his mother – may have been – WHATEVER) and then started questioning whether he could even BE a natural-born citizen as his father was a citizen of Kenya. This is the point that really sticks with me. Obama claims on his own “Fight the Smears” website that he was a British Subject when he was born and that his Kenyan citizenship expired when he turned 21 in 1982. There has been much research done by people online and most have come to the conclusion that not only is Obama ineligible because he held dual citizenship for much of his life( which the Founding Fathers would have NEVER approved) but also that John McCain is ineligible because he wasn’t born on American soil.

    Much of the research has included previous Supreme Court cases, the discussions around the 14th amendment and the writings and opinions of the gentleman who drafted the 14th amendment, British common law that the Founders would have been familiar with and on and on. I think that you may have stated incorrectly that there are “loonies” persuing this. “Most” people I have encountered have genuine love and respect for this country and, most importantly, our Constitution. Many are democrats and there are even some who claim to have voted for Obama but wish they had known then what they know now.

    There are, at date, 3 Supreme Court Cases that address this issue of Sen. Obama’s eligibility to be President of the United States. One (Donofrio v. Wells) is scheduled to be in conference on December 5, 2008. This was referred to conference by the FULL COURT. The Supreme Court does not even conference on cases if they believe it to be frivilous or without merit. This could be an historical ruling. There are implications here that could rock this country! The press is being irresponsible in not, at the very least, mentioning these cases and getting it into the public conscience, before there is a ruling that blows peoples minds.

    Surely, your reporter curiosity has been piqued? Just look into it. See what you find (be sure you go to sites presenting BOTH sides of the story). You may come to a different conclusion but then, at least, you will understand a little better what the issue really is.

    Sincerely,
    {Me}

    Now, before you all get on me for leaving stuff out (I had to leave a LOT out that I wanted to put in there) realize I was just trying to get her to look into it herself and to NOT put her off to badly so that she would just stop reading. I wanted to be much more forceful but figured she would just ignore me if I went off on her. Hope she’ll read it.

  287. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Wow – that was really long…

  288. Cyndi Says:

    Doubts Linger About Obama’s Citizenship

    nbcchicago.com/news/local/Doubts-Linger-About-Obamas-Citizenship.html

    So nbc is touching it.

  289. thinkingmom11 Says:

    JAC – I am afraid that McCain may not be eligible…wonder what the solution will be? New elections? VP’s run for pres? Oh, Man… Will the Supreme Court have to craft a solution? Or does the Congress decided? AAaaaaaaahhhhhh…my head hurts

  290. Foxtrot Says:

    Good morning all! I got my “squirrel-ies” out last night and have returned to “normalcy” now. Good article in the Tribune today about the birth certificate issue.

  291. Foxtrot Says:

    Put the normal w w w. in front of the address:

    chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-obama-ad-03-dec03,0,2815658.story

  292. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Cyndi – at least it was covered even though it was with the “What a bunch of idiots!” attitude… Why don’t any of them address the dual citizenship issue?!

  293. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    most are going to tip toe around this until they see what happens Friday with the judges

  294. Cyndi Says:

    Can anyone get to this site? I can’t for some reason.

    rightsidenews.com/200812032845/editorial/obama-the-trojan-horse.html

  295. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Cyndi
    you can get the editoral from the main pape

  296. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    Cyndi, I read yesterday that the people at Chabad house were so badly tortured that it was torment to the doctors who had to examine the bodies. One said he had seen everything from bomb victims on, but this is the worse thing he had seen done to humans. It’s inconceivable that these bastards did such things—all because these people were Jewish. They probably knocked that poor baby unconcious is probably the only reason he survived, and then the woman that rescued him was very brave!

    I hate death and death penalties, but when someone tortures and kills, then the only recourse that a sain society has is to put them to death. Anything else is insanity. It’s all insanity anyway!

  297. j.b. Says:

    doctordebug Says:

    December 3, 2008 at 8:01 am
    Hi there, have been an occasional poster at API and lurker here, thought it time I officially said Hi and thanked all of you (esp Rosetta) for keeping all of this alive. If we succeed in having BO declared ineligible, this blog will be one of the reasons. Thanks for keeping the hope alive and the information flowing freely.

    The Doctor

    Good morning and a big fat, sincere Welcome to drdeburg! Please chime in (again) when you’re “feelin'” it.

    Just reading over the comments and although I know my husband and I can handle any unrest here at home…licensed gun owners are we….I am getting concerned about my kids.
    I mean, we talked about where the angry ones would go to “vent” and it ain’t further into the hood, thatsfersure.

    ugh. What was that truck drivers name in CA.? Denny? I had such a hard time watching video of that play over and over agin.

    Interesting how so many of us have said we are not watching FOX any more. We have not completely tuned it out but cut down here by 3/4. (I used to have it on all day as background)
    No more! I’m curious if their ratings have reallly slid.

    Good day to you all. I’ll be like that popular burger chain out West, In and Out. 🙂

  298. ladyliberty Says:

    JAC – I am was not around in 1957 either. I teach history and have always love the 50’s, but I am 34. I still love the comparisions!

    ThinkingMom- Great letter.

  299. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Well, I tried to post at the Chicago paper – nice long informative post – and it just POOFED into cyberspace when I hit submit – knew I should have saved it…

  300. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Thanks, Lady…

  301. thinkingmom11 Says:

    I take it back – my comment looks like it IS going to be posted – Cool!! Y’all get over there and put lots of good comments in before the koolaid drinkers get there!!

    (the tribune link nbcchicago.com/news/local/Doubts-Linger-About-Obamas-Citizenship.html )

  302. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    anyone know for sure if the 2nd ad in the Chicago Trib came out?

    there was some grumbling about them not running it because of all the phone calls they received

  303. hockeyfan530 Says:

    i swore off FOX completely and most talk radio as well. I heard mark levin talking about Clinton not being eligible and he said it was a dead end and it was boring. I also heard him say that about Obama immediately after the election. If it is a dead end it’s because the media, including conservative talk radio, isn’t covering it. If the media were to cover it there is no way for Obama, judges or the american people to avoid the issue. But if the constitution is a dead end…so is voting in my opinion. As the uniformed will be selecting our leadership so why waste my time being informed?

  304. thinkingmom11 Says:

    COOL – mine is the first comment – you have to click the MORE to see it all…

  305. Foxtrot Says:

    On another blog–very interesting:

    written by Linda Starr, December 03, 2008
    “There’s a lot going on just behind the scenes, but I’m not at liberty to say what just yet. I understand some big announcements are planned soon. Look Ray, this isn’t relaly my baby. I got the initial info and had sense enough to take it to Phil. In spite of all the accusations by certain trolls, Phil is a very good person. He will fight as long as this fight has a chance in hell of going anywhere. He won’t sell us out. He won’t back down. Just stay tuned. I won’t jeopardize this effort.”

  306. rosettasister Says:

    New Thread:

    https://rosettasister.wordpress.com/2008/12/03/%e2%80%9cdemocrat-asks-supremes-to-halt-electors%e2%80%9d-%e2%80%9dobama-lets-deadline-slip-by-without-responding-to-petition-so-attorney-takes-next-step%e2%80%9d/

  307. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Fox – what blog is that? If you don’t mind sharing…TIA

  308. hockeyfan530 Says:

    i posted over there as well

  309. Foxtrot Says:

    Mom, it is obamacrimes.com

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