A Thanksgiving Story – Abraham Lincoln and Sarah Josepha Hale

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To Sarah Josepha Hale Thanksgiving would be a therapeutic holiday. “There is a deep moral influence in these periodical seasons of rejoicing, in which whole communities participate. They bring out . . . the best sympathies in our natures.”

Hale saw this spiritual dimension of Thanksgiving as a means for preventing the insanity of civil war in America. This is why, as hostilities heated up between North and South, she bombarded both national and state officials with requests for the national holiday.

By 1863 when Lincoln issued his now famous Thanksgiving Proclamation, Sarah Hale had penned literally thousands of these letters in her own hand. “If every state would join in Union Thanksgiving on the 24th of this month, would it not be a renewed pledge of love and loyalty to the Constitution of the United States?” Hale wrote in a 1859 editorial.

Of course, Sarah Hale was unable to avert those saddest years of American history, but in 1863, as civil war ravished the land, Abraham Lincoln did issue the proclamation Hale had spent nearly 40 years and thousands of letters to procure.

Abraham Lincoln on October 3, 1863 issued his Thanksgiving Proclamation, for the first time setting aside the last Thursday in November as a National Day for giving thanks.

The text of this Proclamation is below.

The year that is drawing toward its close has been filled with the blessings of fruitful fields and healthful skies. To these bounties, which are so constantly enjoyed that we are prone to forget the source from which they come, others have been added which are of so extraordinary a nature that they can not fail to penetrate and soften even the heart which is habitually insensible to the ever-watchful providence of Almighty God.In the midst of a civil war of unequaled magnitude and severity, which has sometimes seemed to foreign states to invite and to provoke their aggression, peace has been preserved with all nations, order has been maintained, the laws have been respected and obeyed, and harmony has prevailed everywhere, except in the theater of military conflict, while that theater has been greatly contracted by the advancing armies and navies of the Union. Needful diversions of wealth and of strength from the fields of peaceful industry to the national defense have not arrested the plow, the shuttle, or the ship; the ax has enlarged the borders of our settlements, and the mines, as well as the iron and coal as of our precious metals, have yielded even more abundantly than heretofore. Population has steadily increased notwithstanding the waste that has been made in the camp, the siege, and the battlefield, and the country, rejoicing in the consciousness of augmented strength and vigor, is permitted to expect continuance of years with large increase of freedom.

No human counsel hath devised nor hath any mortal hand worked out these great things. They are the gracious gifts of the Most High God, who, while dealing with us in anger for our sins, hath nevertheless remembered mercy. It has seemed to me fit and proper that they should be solemnly, reverently, and gratefully acknowledged, as with one heart and one voice, by the whole American people. I do therefore invite my fellow-citizens in every part of the United States, and also those who are in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next as a day of thanksgiving and praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the heavens. And I recommend to them that while offering up the ascriptions justly due to Him for such singular deliverances and blessings they do also, with humble penitence for our national perverseness and disobedience, commend to His tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners, or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife in which we are unavoidably engaged, and fervently implore the imposition of the Almighty hand to heal the wounds of the nation and to restore it, as soon as may be consistent with the divine purpose, to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquillity, and union. In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and caused the seal of the United States to be affixed. Done at the city of Washington, this 3d day of October, A.D. 1863, and of the Independence of the United States the eighty-eighth.

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164 Responses to “A Thanksgiving Story – Abraham Lincoln and Sarah Josepha Hale”

  1. rosettasister Says:

    Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!

    May you find comfort this day in the company of those you love and who love you in return.

    But if you find yourself alone this day, may you find comfort in the knowledge that you are loved by your Creator and precious to Him.

    And that is something you share with countless others the world over.

    Rosetta

  2. j.b. Says:

    Thank you! Back atcha. That is so sweet…………and thoughtful.

  3. j.b. Says:

    Oh! First! Oops-second…………… ;:)

  4. j.b. Says:

    (i’d never done that before. it feels silly)

  5. rosettasister Says:

    Made me laugh!

  6. hockeyfan530 Says:

    thank you. Happy Thanksgiving to all of you as well

    Now be good or Mr Hanky won’t be coming to your house

  7. Ksinde. Says:

    Hi, is anyone here??

  8. Goferit Says:

    Rose,
    Happy Thanksgiving to you also.

    Thank you for the inspiration and honest you bring to your site.

  9. Goferit Says:

    Honesty!

  10. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Hi Ksinde, goferit, Rose and whoever else is out there…

    Does anyone know where to listen to Leo’s interview with Scott Hannen? Someone on the Plains Radio chat said they listened to it this afternoon but I can’t find it on Hannen’s site…and there is no link that I saw on Leo’s site.

  11. Ksinde. Says:

    Hi Mom

    You have to download it. Here is the link:

    content.streamaudio.com/podcast/1666/ChannelID_403.xml

    add htpp//

  12. Ksinde. Says:

    happy thanksgiving to you too Rose. i hope your day is wonderful!

  13. calli Says:

    Rosetta
    Happy Thanksgiving!!! We all have a lot to be thankful for!!

  14. sliderblaze Says:

    Happy Tday peoples

  15. Ksinde. Says:

    Thanks Slider. Happy TDay to you too and to your wife. I hope you are not making her cook, she should have her swollen feet up and resting

  16. sliderblaze Says:

    lol, my mom is cooking, and so is her mom, so, i’ll be grubbing for sure, she’s due any moment now, she dropped about 10 days ago. And not married yet, dont push me on that granade hun lol

  17. Ksinde. Says:

    Not sure if anyone posted this yet, but MSNBC website had this article posted about Ber & Leo’s cases

    firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/11/26/1689515.aspx

    add http// no www

  18. Ksinde. Says:

    Slider 😮 I am gonna have to have a talk with her. Is this her first pregnancy?

  19. sliderblaze Says:

    yes her first. it was a huge suprise, she got prego on birth control.

  20. Ksinde. Says:

    lol..been there done that…5 kids later! The only true birth control is absentence… But that doesn’t fly with my husband…lol

  21. Ksinde. Says:

    Leo will be on Plains in a few minutes if anyone cares.

  22. sliderblaze Says:

    it happens, she only gained 17lbs

    i’m listening to it now

  23. sliderblaze Says:

    dude can talk

  24. Ksinde. Says:

    Leo has an alter ego… He has a band called Schizo Fun Addict. Here is a link to one of his music videos

    add htpp:// no www

    vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=15271003

  25. Ksinde. Says:

    Did everyone go to ZZzzz

  26. sliderblaze Says:

    countusout.wordpress.com/2008/11/26/foia-request-response-from-va-document-from-va-sos-signed-by-nancy-pelosi-stating-that-pelosi-certified-obamas-qualifications/#comment-3473

    cant confirm it yet cus the pdf isnt posted so….we’ll see

  27. Ksinde. Says:

    Slider, i saw that. hope you got your boots on, the sh*t is getting high!

  28. ILBlue Says:

    Hi, Happy Thanksgiving to all…! 🙂

    Just wanted to let you know I don’t know how to take the document to my word and then transfer to another site..

    So..I just copied and pasted the flyer to HillarysVillage.net thread I started from a WND story . Hoping some over there will at least copy that and place some around over the holiday or email to others.

    And I put a link back to this site so they would know where it came from.

    Have people here been signing the petition at WND?

  29. sliderblaze Says:

    fo sho, i’d like someone to call and ask her how she certified him, what was the process and what documents were presented to her if any….

  30. sliderblaze Says:

    signed, and what document?

  31. ILBlue Says:

    Sorry I copied the flyer about Obama you put together.

  32. sliderblaze Says:

    oOo….leo is tearing it up right now

  33. ILBlue Says:

    what??

  34. Ksinde. Says:

    Slider, even if she has documentation it doesn’t matter, she does not have the authority to so so from what i understand.

  35. sliderblaze Says:

    yes, i just want someone to call, and get it confirmed that she did, remember the mike show with the kenyan ambas.

  36. Ksinde. Says:

    do so

  37. Ksinde. Says:

    lol…yes i remeber… she has no business being speaker of the house if she would fall for that.

  38. sliderblaze Says:

    countusout.wordpress.com/2008/11/26/foia-request-response-from-va-document-from-va-sos-signed-by-nancy-pelosi-stating-that-pelosi-certified-obamas-qualifications/#comment-3475

  39. Ksinde. Says:

    oh man…lol…keeps gettin better and better!!

  40. sliderblaze Says:

    i know right. fired up

  41. Ksinde. Says:

    Two birds with one stone…lol…priceless

  42. ILBlue Says:

    I found this in the comment section of the forum at WND regarding Obama’s BC issue. I am unable to listen to it , I only have dial up . Could someone listen to it and let me know what it says, please…???

    Comments that go along with this are:

    “Please listen to the Ambassador Dr. Alan Keyes’s Legal Counsel interview with Gary Kreep, Esq. Interview PART 2 (last one at the bottom – below)

    “The radio host is saying that he has a friend who works at a title research company in Hawaii who HAS seen the original Obama vault Birth Certificate – and it reads and states that he was born in Mombasa, Kenya. The statement is at about 17 minutes into the audio.

    “The host said they are trying to connect that person (his friend) with Gary Kreep, one of the attornies for Dr. Alan Keyes case here in California to obtain an affidavit in writing.”

    freedommarch.org/FreedomMarch_Radio.html

    Comment left on 11-23-08

    Do you think this is possible?

  43. Cyndi Says:

    I just wanted to pop in and say that I hope you all have a wonderful Thanksgiving! God Bless You All!!

  44. Troy Says:

    sliderblaze Says:

    November 27, 2008 at 4:28 am
    countusout.wordpress.com/2008/11/26/foia-request-response-from-va-document-from-va-sos-signed-by-nancy-pelosi-stating-that-pelosi-certified-obamas-qualifications/#comment-3473

    cant confirm it yet cus the pdf isnt posted so….we’ll see
    ————————————————————-
    Yeah, I’ll be sure to take this hag’s word for it….NOT!!!!

  45. Ksinde. Says:

    Ok…Night All..Have a great thanksgiving!

  46. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Crazy day, worst tomorrow
    But I wanted to tell everyone Happy Thanksgiving

  47. j.b. Says:

    larrysinclair-0926.blogspot.com/

    L a r r y S i n c lair’s upcoming book hits the pages of
    T he G lobe! I saw this edition in the grocery store this evening. I do not usually buy these mags, besides, I already know the story, but I found the whole thing pretty interesting. L a r r y has now sold 100 of his not- yet- published book. I think I may have to purchase one if not just to help the guy out. Besides he will sign the first 200-who knows he may become quite the infamous one if his story ends up helping bring The One down.(I sincerely hope Larry lives long enough to see the truth come out-regardless of what it is)
    Whew!
    It’s gettin’ hot up in heah.

    HAPPY THANKSGIVING !

  48. sba1872 Says:

    Quote from Larry’s site – larrysinclair-0926.blogspot.com:

    “Find out who is blowing the whistle on America’s next commander-in-chief and why the author’s bombshells could wreck the inauguration. It’s must reading for every American!”

    ————-

    “blowing the whistle” heh.

  49. jjones35811 Says:

    anyone awake?

  50. sdee Says:

    If anyone needs background information for actions or complaints to law enforcement against Danny Bickell, here is a statement by Leo that I found on Devvy”s site.

    devvy.net/pdf/nov08/unorthodox.pdf

  51. jjones35811 Says:

    Looks like the Kenyan ambassador is trying to backtrack on his statement that BO was born in Kenya. Gee, I wonder why?

    wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=82060

  52. sdee Says:

    yeah, the ambassador did not make a mistake with those radio hosts – there is history

    http://www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/488428/-/tlki2s/-/

  53. sdee Says:

    yeah, the ambassador did not make a mistake with those radio hosts – there is history

    nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/488428/-/tlki2s/-/

  54. jjones35811 Says:

    It is truly amazing to me that people can’t see what’s going on here. What is it going to take for people to wake the h3ll up?

    Here is my nightmare scenario. This thing drags out in court for 2 years because, trust me, it is NOT going to go away. After 2 years of him being in office, it is shown that he is in fact not eligible to have been president. Every bill, law, executive order he has signed is no longer valid. God forbid, if we end up in another war, that declaration is now invalid, every decision made as commander in chief is now invalid. Everyone killed in this new war now has a case against the US for murder. Can you imagine the chaos that will cause? How do you undo 2 years of an illegal president?

    If I am questioning the eligibility of Mr. Obama as president, you can bet that there are some in the military that are questioning it as well. Do they follow the orders of a Commander in Chief that they believe as a usurper? How do they respond to his questionable authority? Isn’t it their duty to protect the Constitution? I took it seriously when I made my oath and you can bet they do as well.

  55. jjones35811 Says:

    His authority is ALREADY being auestion and the electoral college hasn’t even voted yet. This scares the cr4p out of me !

    from WND

    Orders from new president to spark lawsuit every time

    wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=82033

  56. sdee Says:

    jj, I think I agree with Leo, the decision is where it should be – at the Supreme Court. He also said it will likely be a 5-4 deicision (I assume, split on strict/liberal interpretation lines). That is what should scare us. What Bickell did should scare us!

    What should scare us even more is that Bo will have 2-3 Supreme Court appointments. After that, the Constitution will be history and a guy like Leo will never again have a chance.

  57. jjones35811 Says:

    sdee,
    An invalidated president will frought with all kinds of nightmares. The supreme court appointments is yet another one… I’m sure the list can go on and on. That is why this thing needs to be fixed NOW. Whether he is a natual born citizen or not, he needs to end this controversy. Just produce the BC and be done with it. Why more people are not screaming about this is beyond me.

  58. sdee Says:

    No one understands because it is not on GMA or The View.

    All of the nightmare scenarios are minor compared to usurping the defenders of the Constitution. The Consitution is unique in the world and what makes our country what it is.

    Regardless of which conspiracy, collusion or incompetency theory we chose – this candidacy is an attack on the Constitution. The very first issue he is embroiled in is a direct assault on it.

  59. jjones35811 Says:

    sdee,
    You’re correct, people don’t know and understand the problem. They are being blindly led by the MSM who are either in the tank for Mr.Obama or they afraid to bring this issue up. I can see the reluctancy due to the tinfoil hat nature of this story, but HOLY CR$P, this could be/is huge!

  60. sdee Says:

    Sad but true – our “free press” is where this has all gone very very wrong. They have a protected duty in our republic to present these dangers to the public.

    IF, the Chief Editor has the tape he says he does, and IF it plays, scandal is introduced. Then, while a sad testimony to our press, scandal may drive this issue into the MSM in a way that a warrior like Leo cannot.

    Leo did get on Scott Hennen. A step in the right direction.
    content.streamaudio.com/podcast/1666/ChannelID_403.xml

  61. wndawmn666 Says:

    Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

    Have a great day. 🙂

  62. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Blue – I know you posted about this last night but — I listened to the radio program you mentioned and it is actually the part 1(which is actually the last part) of the interveiw with Kreep…it is actually Ed Hale who “has a friend of a friend” (I think..?) who has seen the vault birth certificate and it states that O was born in Mombassa and there is only his mother’s signature on it and just about nothing else. Again – we are dealing with Ed Hale so pardon me if I don’t swallow this one just yet 😉 Kreep said he would like to talk to this “friend” as get a sworn affadavit from him…who knows what will come of it…

  63. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Wow – there was no one here when I went to listen to the audios – Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!!

  64. jjones35811 Says:

    hey ! I’ve been here since 5:00 am 🙂

  65. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Sorry JJ – I didn’t “see” you 🙂

  66. thinkingmom11 Says:

    JJ – Thanks for the great improvements on the flyer! They look great. I just threw it together on a whim and you made it look really professional. And you got more stuff on there!

  67. jjones35811 Says:

    Thanks Mom,
    I think it could have an impact on some people… just need to get it out there somehow

  68. thinkingmom11 Says:

    I am going to print out some copies and maybe go out early and put them on cars in parking lots at the outlet mall and other shopping areas this weekend – should be plenty of people out doing some shopping. My son (12yo) is actually really excited about doing it – I was surprised. I talked to him yesterday about the possibility of another Great Depression type era and he says “Yea, Mom. I was thinking about that, too. I know what the Great Depression was and how hard it was for people.” Blew me away – just goes to show you never REALLY know what kids are thinking about. He’s a good kid and a dead-shot! Wouldn’t want him shooting at me, that’s for sure!! He has really impressed some guys at the shooting range with his steadyness and accuracy.

  69. sdee Says:

    A caller into Leo’s radio interview last night mentioned an article that Leo was very interested in reading. Here it is:

    federalistblog.us/2008/11/natural-born_citizen_defined.html

  70. sliderblaze Says:

    nice avatar jj…….it’s dynOmite

  71. jjones35811 Says:

    Yeah, I wanted to put up a flagpole in my yard and fly the flag upside down. Wife was opposed to it. So, this is my next best thing. And yes, I got the good times reference

  72. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Slider – In reading that article, did Leo change his opinion about McCain not being a natural born citizen? Seems to me according to the writers arguement, that McCain would indeed be considered a natural-born citizen based on his father’s alligiance (not to mention McCain’s obvious alligiance):

    Rep. Bingham commenting on Section 1992 said it means “every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.”

    I wonder if a military base would be considered under the “jurisdiction” of the United States?? Seems pretty obvious to me — but then, I am no lawyer (thank goodness 🙂 )

  73. thinkingmom11 Says:

    I meant to address that comment to sdee – sorry for any confusion!

  74. thinkingmom11 Says:

    OK – I need to stop skimming and REALLY read your post sdee – I thought you were saying Leo mentioned the article – I get it now… someone recommended the article to Leo…I guess I am the one who is really confused this morning…that’s what I get for waking up at 4AM and not going back to sleep…

  75. amy Says:

    Thinkingmom…. Just checking in.. Where do I get a link to your flyer so that I could make copies??

  76. sliderblaze Says:

    My letter to the washington post on there article about the Supreme Court cases. that link here:
    .honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20081126/NEWS21/811260391/-1/RSS02?source=rss_localnews

    “This is in response to your article written by Al Kamen on the Supreme court cases against Obama and Secretary of states and the BC issue

    Look, the article is full of half truths and inaccuracies. It is no wonder that people are turning to the internet and alternatives for their news. All it would have taken, was to go one the Berg or Leo’s website in order to learn the real FACTS. There is no mention of the blatant sabotage of Leo’s case by the Law Clerk Danny Bickell, not only did he try it with Leo’s case, but he tried the same tactic with Corts case as well. No mention that Leos case was denied by Suoter, but taken on by Clarence Thomas and distributed for conference on dec. 5th. Or the 17 other cases in the courts and the 16 or so coming in the pipeline. All this information could have been learned with a simple Google search, or a visit to their respective sites. This kind of journalism is despicable and down right dangerous to the American public. I’ll enjoy the continued steep decline of the main stream media until it becomes the DOA media for this very reason i described above. More and more Americans are realizing the slipshod nature of what you do, and how you do it. MILLIONS of Americans are onto you and are finding their news elsewhere. Since the article was so poorly researched and written. I would expect that there will be an accurate, full article in the near future to correct the article, and i use that term VERY loosely, written about said Cases. But i know, that’s expecting a miracle of epic/biblical proportions. WHEN WILL YOU PEOPLE LEARN, THE “DUMB AND MIS/UNINFORMED PUBLIC” THANKS TO NEWS ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS YOURS, ARE NO LONGER MIS/UNIFORMED THANKS TO THE NEW NEWS MEDIA.

    I’ll help you guys out with the links since i guess your google search button is broken, and save you the trouble from dusting it off.
    Obamacrimes.com Bergs site
    thenaturalborncitizen.blogspot.com/ Leos site
    there is numerous radio shows you can get to as well. plains radio, lan lamphere so, happy hunting.

    From the article, one would simply dismiss this as just internet rumors/blog talk and keep it moving. Two words for you on that. Dan Rather. These issues have been around since June and you guys are now just getting to it, shame on you. I think it’s time to change the name from investigative journalism to just journalism for that name after this election, has become a four letter word.

    What say you?

    William Slider

  77. thinkingmom11 Says:

    There is a link on the last thread right above where the comment section starts. It is a PDF and jjones has made a LOT of improvements to it…maybe he can mail you the word file of the NEW and IMPROVED version?

  78. sliderblaze Says:

    mom, i think it opened leos eyes to the possibility of McCain. He said he was gonna look at it.

  79. sliderblaze Says:

    an now, for some turkey time, bbl

  80. thinkingmom11 Says:

    good job on the letter…
    sounds like “yellow” journalism to me…
    enjoy the turkey!

  81. amy Says:

    Slider.. WOW! I am impressed! Good for you!.. I also sent a comment to MSNBC this morning in response to the comments related to their article about the Court Cases.. They were calling us republican racists.. Little did they know that many of us are African American democrats.My comments there are still in moderation… They make it all sound as if it is all about Obama. No mention about McCains inelligibilty or that other candidate.. They are too stupid to know its about The Constitution.

  82. amy Says:

    TY TM

  83. sliderblaze Says:

    it really irked my nerves, i didnt see the msnbc comments but i am an american indian, a true minority i might add. But i for one, regardless of the attrocities against my people, the Cherokee in my case, hold the constitution in the highest regard and consider it, like many do, the greatest document ever written. I love going into sites like msnbc and putting people in their places. One should remind them what party it was who created the KKK. And what party Jim Crowe was a member of. And what party fought the very civil liberties that allowed a black man to become president. And then, i thank them for reminding me who always brings up race and why i’ll never be a democrat, for, after all these years after Jim crowe, there is still only one party who continues to bring race into the picture. I guess it easy to scream racism after they’ve been a part of it for over a century.

  84. sliderblaze Says:

    one should also point out that the far left, i.e. the gays, are blaming black people for all their “gay marriage” woes, i guess we can claim that to be racist as well?

  85. rovingpatrol Says:

    I didnt like the part where Leo says he expects a 4-5 decision against him

  86. sliderblaze Says:

    leo seems to be a cautious optimist. i dont really think that there really needs to be a definitive decision on that. I hope that there will be enough public outcry and scrutiny because of the court case. This issue is kinda like a tornado thats a couple of feet above the ground and just needs one of several things to happen before it touches the ground and gets things really going

  87. sliderblaze Says:

    all we need is that rule of four to have it heard in public. And lets say it does go against leo on a 4-5 decision. I’d love to have read what the dissenting written opinions are on the matter, that in itself could add fuel to the fire.

  88. thinkingmom11 Says:

    I hope Leo looks at that article sdee posted. It seems to be a well thought out/researched opinion. It does seem to indicate that McCain would be eligible but not Obama. I wonder if the Supreme Court can separate the two (or three) and rule on each individual in the case or if it is an all-or-nothing type proposion? Do any of y’all have an opinion on that?

  89. thinkingmom11 Says:

    I left a comment on MSNBC and my comment is in moderation and they state that ALL comments have to be approved:
    *********
    PLEASE READ: All comments must be approved before appearing in the thread; time and space constraints prevent all comments from appearing. We will only approve comments that are directly related to the blog, use appropriate language and are not attacking the comments of others.
    **********

    People on the other side think we are a bunch of loonies and sore-losers. Well, the are just uneducated, sycophants (defined: a fawning parasite – love it) who truely are unAmerican due to their lack of respect for the Constitution. I wrote that O has been asked to release a REAL, OFFICIAL birth certificate (you know – the kind you need to sign your kid up for Little League or Pop Warner) and that instead of just paying the $20-30 for his BC to be released he has chosen to spend $100,00’s of thousands to pay lawyers so he can avoid releasing it. If my kids were to behave with such evasiveness I would absolutely NOT believe them and demand to see what they were hiding. My last comment was “But I guess that Obama is above the Constitution….remind me again WHY?”

    I doubt it will ever see the light of day over there…

  90. wndawmn666 Says:

    My comment on MSNBC has been in moderation since last night. Here is what I wrote:

    Phil Berg is a Democrat and Clinton supporter. Read: Not a Republican.

    Leo Donofrio has no political affiliations and is challenging the Natural Born citizenships of John McCain, Barack Obama, and Roger Calero.

    Here is a pretty simple breakdown for anyone that doesn’t know what a Natural Born citizen is.

    In order to SERVE (NOT RUN FOR) the office of President of the United States, one must meet three, non-negotiable requirements:

    1. Be a Natural Born citizen
    2. Be at least 35 years old
    3. Have lived in the US for 14 years

    Each state has different requirements for placing candidates names on the ballots. In some cases, like Leo Donofrio’s in New Jersey, it is the responsibility of the Secretary of State to properly qualify candidates before printing their names on the ballots. Clearly, this was not done as Roger Calero, the most ineligible candidate, was allowed on the New Jersey ballot. In states like North Carolina, it is the responsibility of a ‘party committee’ to verify the eligibility of the candidates before printing their names on the ballot. In summary, there is no ‘standard operating procedure’ for verifying the eligibility of Presidential candidates. As far as we know, the candidates verbally said they were eligible but were not required to provide any proof.

    Roger Calero is an easy one:
    He isn’t a Natural Born citizen of the Unites States. He was born in Nicaragua to non US Citizens. He could NEVER serve as POTUS even if the popular vote elected him. He was allowed on the New Jersey ballot but five other states wouldn’t allow him on their ballots because it is quite clear that he isn’t naturally born.

    Barack Obama isn’t so cut and dry:
    Contrary to popular belief, Barack Obama is NOT a Natural Born citizen of the United States. Whether he was born in Hawaii or Kenya is of no consequence. He could have been born in a manger on the steps of the White House and that still wouldn’t make him a Natural Born citizen of the United States.

    What is the definition of a Natural Born citizen? It’s simple:

    “Any human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty”

    Please read the following quote from Obama’s own Fight the Smears website:

    “When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948.”

    So, what does that mean?

    That means that he (Obama Sr.) ‘owed allegiance to a foreign sovereignty’ and disqualified his son from being a Natural Born citizen of the United States. Had he gone through the naturalization process and denounced his British allegiance, Obama Jr. would be eligible to serve as President of the United States.

    John McCain isn’t so cut and dry either:
    Leo Donofrio argues that McCain isn’t a Natural Born citizen of the United States because he was born somewhere in the Panama Canal. Others argue the military base was considered a ‘within the jurisdiction of the US’. Congress met about McCain’s Natural Born citizenship and signed a bill (Obama signed it. Finally, he didn’t vote ‘Present’!!!) acknowledging that McCain was eligible. The Supreme Court, however, doesn’t have to uphold a bill passed in Congress. A bill in Congress does not change the language and original intent of the Constitution.

    Now, before anyone jumps in and starts insisting that George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, etc. weren’t Natural Born citizens of the United States, let me point out the ‘grandfather’ clause that allowed THEM to be eligible to serve as President of the United States.

    Here is the whole text:

    ‘No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.’

    What does it mean?
    The ‘or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this Constitution’ allowed THEM to be eligible even though they had previously had British citizenship. This is because they were still figuring things out and ‘getting on their feet’.

    Neither McCain, Obama, nor Calero were US citizens at the time of the adoption of the Constitution so that clause doesn’t apply to them.

  91. sliderblaze Says:

    mom, the first step would to have everyone of them produce their bc’s, then, take it from there.

  92. hockeyfan530 Says:

    this is on the new api site

    The airing of the tape by MBOs will be carried out simultaneously. A direct link on API site to be activated 30 minutes before the broadcasting. To be able to listen to the tape, readers will receive a password from API. API will announce on the site here how to get the password. So follow the new postings from time to time

    oh boy

  93. sliderblaze Says:

    did anyone try and wrote a pro obama comment and see if it goes through?

  94. thinkingmom11 Says:

    wnd – that was very well put. Would you mind if I use it in an email (I would give you credit, of course)?

  95. sliderblaze Says:

    i’m gonna spend all weekend “giving the business” to the media and SOS’s on this issue. there will be email o’plenty this weekend, oh yes, email o’plenty. Is that website up yet….anyone….anyone?

  96. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Slider, I also think it would be a good idea for all of them to get their BC’s out there – full disclosure. I think that this Natural Born Citizen issue hasn’t come up lately because it has been SO obvious that former candidates were NBC’s. Obama, I believe is the first potential PresElect that had a non-citizen father – that is why the issue has been brought up. I think the other side fails to see it like that. They want this to be an issue for kooks and loons with no basis in reality or fact but they hope wrongly. Quite simply, it IS an important issue that our president – who swears and oath to UPHOLD the Constitution – be Constitutionally eligible. It is NOT too much to ask that he provide a VERY COMMON document to prove such eligibility. His OATH will mean NOTHING if his Presidency itself in Unconstitutional. PERIOD.

  97. thinkingmom11 Says:

    I am going to make maybe 500 copies of the flyer (Jjones has a copy of the Word file – he made great improvements to it and if he wants he could mail you a copy maybe – you might ask him?

    I need to mail a copy to tenacity too….

    when it is finally up the site will be IsObamaEligible.com

  98. thinkingmom11 Says:

    slider – I could mail you a copy if you can figure out how to get your email to me or if you have a junk email you use.

  99. Song Says:

    dear Rose,

    You don’t know me, but you need to know this:

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/11/sandboxed-black.html

    Thanks for all you do!!

  100. sba1872 Says:

    What bothers me the most about the msnbc article is that it is just plain disinformation. It concludes by giving the impression that the entire question was laid to rest on 10/31/08. Here’s the final paragraph:

    “Then, on Oct. 31st, the director of Hawaii’s Department of Health issued a statement, proclaiming that he had personally seen and verified that the state has “Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record,” which shows that he was born there.”
    —————————–

    First of all, Leo’s suit goes beyond the place of birth, but even if it didn’t, this conclusion is simply inaccurate. The Director of the Hawaiian Department of Health (a “she” and not a “he”, by the way) did not say that the bc they hold “shows that he was born there.” Has anyone here read an article that says that, other than in the title of the article by way of conclusion on the part of the reporter? From what I have seen, that part is just not accurate. It is not just misinformation, it’s disinformation.

    ——-

    OT But Still Very Much Relevant: Happy Thanksgiving, All!

  101. dixieinflorida Says:

    sba1872 Says:
    November 27, 2008 at 7:05 pm

    What bothers me the most about the msnbc article is that it is just plain disinformation. It concludes by giving the impression that the entire question was laid to rest on 10/31/08. Here’s the final paragraph:

    “Then, on Oct. 31st, the director of Hawaii’s Department of Health issued a statement, proclaiming that he had personally seen and verified that the state has “Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record,” which shows that he was born there.”
    ********************
    I got that also. Although they were reporting it they were also being negative about it. Something though is obviously getting their attention finally. Now if the rest would get on board.

  102. wndawmn666 Says:

    thinkingmom11 Says:
    November 27, 2008 at 6:06 pm

    wnd – that was very well put. Would you mind if I use it in an email (I would give you credit, of course)?

    ************************************

    Yes, please feel free to repost that information. You needn’t give me credit but I appreciate the offer. 🙂

    Also, if anyone wants to fire back that Obama Sr. already had a wife and kids in Kenya when he married Dunham, and that their marriage isn’t legi, please give them the following information:

    state.gov/documents/organization/86802.pdf

    It states that:

    b. Prior to November 9, 1989, consular officers, when requested to do so, could make certain that foreign marriages were effective for purposes of U.S. law by acting as official witnesses to the marriage, when one of the contracting parties was a U.S. citizen, pursuant to the authority of Section 31 of the Act of June 22, 1860 (12 Stat. 79; 22 U.S.C. 4192). The Act also provided for issuance of an official certificate of witness to such marriage.

    c. Section 31 was repealed, effective February 16, 1990, by Section 123 of
    the FY 1990-1991 Foreign Affairs Authorization Act.

    d. Certificates of Witness to Marriage, issued by consular officers pursuant
    to Section 31 of the Act of June 22, 1860, prior to its repeal, remain
    valid. Such certificates, using the most recent edition of Form FS-87,
    were issued from when it was revised in October 1939, until November 9,
    1989.

    So basically it’s saying that in order to even be recognized as having a valid marriage abroad, Obama, Sr. would have had to fill out Form FS-87, which I’m sure he didn’t do because neither he nor his Kenyan wife, were United States citizens. In which case, the state of Hawaii didn’t recognize him as being validly married before and proceeded to marry him to Dunham, a United States citizen, which is their only obligation of concern.

    And do you know why Hawaii didn’t care if Obama, Sr. was married to another woman in Kenya? Because they weren’t United States citizens and they didn’t bother telling Hawaii.

    Obama and Dunham had a legal marriage in the state of Hawaii in the year, 1960, involving a UNITED STATES CITIZEN, the wife.

  103. dixieinflorida Says:

    wndawmn666 Says:
    November 27, 2008 at 9:40 pm

    Obama and Dunham had a legal marriage in the state of Hawaii in the year, 1960, involving a UNITED STATES CITIZEN, the wife.
    ***********************
    In Kenya they can have many wives. I read an interview of his first wife.

    dailymail.co.uk/news/article-506338/Barack-Obamas-stepmother-living-Bracknell-reveals-close-bond—mother.html

    So I was wondering if his marriage was legal in the US.

    “Can you imagine if a Republican was running for president and it came out that his father had bought his first wife for 14 cows???!!!Just wow!!”

    theobamafile.com/ObamaFamily.htm

  104. sba1872 Says:

    Remember MO saying that when BO was born, his mother was “very very single”? I don’t think any of the eligibility lawsuits raise as an issue the validity or legality of his parents’ marriage. It doesn’t affect his eligibility to become US Pres. All that matters is the identity and citizenship status of his parents and, of course, whether he was born in the US. You don’t have to have legally married parents to hold any office, I would think. It’s the birth certificate, not marriage certificate, that holds any relevance.

  105. dixieinflorida Says:

    sba1872 Says:
    November 27, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    Remember MO saying that when BO was born, his mother was “very very single”? I don’t think any of the eligibility lawsuits raise as an issue the validity or legality of his parents’ marriage. It doesn’t affect his eligibility to become US Pres. All that matters is the identity and citizenship status of his parents and, of course, whether he was born in the US. You don’t have to have legally married parents to hold any office, I would think. It’s the birth certificate, not marriage certificate, that holds any relevance.
    ****************
    Yes I know and it could be his real BC doesn’t have a father listed on it

  106. dixieinflorida Says:

    API wishes all our American people a happy thanksgiving day

    Posted by africanpress on November 27, 2008

    We in API have learnt to love you all. We do not doubt your assistance and courage to succeed in that which we all are occupied with.

    Many American people have requested our lawyer, who has prevailed on API’s decision, that the American people value this day and for that reason, API has been advised by our Canadian Counsel not to do anything that may cause discomfort to any family during such very important moment.

    In the lives of many people in the lives of many beloved Americans.

    After 10 hour meeting, it has been decided that API respects the Thanksgiving Day today by nt and to get back for guidance to be provided by the respondent.

    We have, today appointed a Public Relation Officer who will reresent the compnay diligently

    —————

    By Peter Ranginya

  107. dixieinflorida Says:

    New Change

    API wishes all our American Friends a very happy thanksgiving day

    Posted by africanpress on November 27, 2008

    We in API have learnt to love you all. We do not doubt your assistance and courage to succeed in that which we all are occupied with.

    Many American people have requested our lawyer, who has prevailed upon API’s decision that the American people value this day and for that reason, API has been advised by our Canadian Counsel not to do anything that may cause discomfort to any family during such very important celebration.

    All this In the lives of many people and in the name of many beloved Americans.

    After a 10-hour meeting, it has been decided that API respects the Thanksgiving Day today by not engaging in acts that may be seen to interrupt the celebration in any way. It is expected that every peace loving person will not take away the help and guidance to be provided by those who believe in the truth.

    Today we have appointed a US citizen to be API’s Public Relation Officer directed to represent API’s interests diligently with the support of 4 other American PRO deputies.

    This step has been taken in consideration with the imminent release of Mrs Michelle Obama’s taped interview.

  108. the unveiler Says:

    Wanted to let you know that I have posted a link to ‘Thinking Mom’s’ flyer on my website with also a link back to this blog – if you prefer I do not post the link to the ‘rosettasister’ blog please let me know and I will remove it. I have several other links to Obama related literature as well.

    the unveiler

  109. the unveiler Says:

    Link to web page is in ‘the unveiler’ ID

  110. Lyn Says:

    is anyone readint the chat? CE givng out jobs ect, Cloud is his chief advisor?

  111. saveusa1 Says:

    FYI – I got this from the chat going on right now at 7:30pm EST.

    ss(API):HopeSmith becomes API’s Communications Director and will get instructions on the help we require now so that we do dont fall victims of attack when the tape comes out.
    AfricanPress(API):Dianna001 will become the Overall Public Relations Officer
    AfricanPress(API):Rebecca, Meg, Trimelda, and Stacy becomes the Assistants to the Overall Public Relations Officer charged with special duties immediately the tape is out.
    AfricanPress(API):Cloud will be the Personal Assistant to the Chief and Immediate advisor
    AfricanPress(API):API had to do this so that all avenues are catered for so that we do not fall victim of redicule
    AfricanPress(API):The tape is coming out – for sure. All persons appointed will be expected, if they accept the appointment, to work together despite of small differences that may be.
    AfricanPress(API):API is now ready to show the America people that we have not played with their mind and to do so API needs American people like those appointed to assist fully.

  112. saveusa1 Says:

    from what I gather none of them have PR experience.

  113. saveusa1 Says:

    but maybe all these people who are on his new board of directors will get the message out if youtube etc get taken down

  114. dixieinflorida Says:

    HopeSmith7:Can you answer my other email Chief?
    AfricanPress(API):THere will be very difficult questions to be faced when the tape comes out and we in API have chosen people to take positions to represent API
    Clowd:There may be some things we can do to help – I sent one suggestion this AM
    americangenie:Patience, children.:)
    Clowd:Is the PR person a professional?
    Clowd:??? what does patience mean?
    Majestic77:Sit back and wait
    EverWaiting:Dear Chief Editor Korir, does ‘facing trial moments’ mean that the tape airing date is still not for sure? Thank you for a reply. — EverWaiting
    AfricanPress(API):HopeSmith becomes API’s Communications Director and will get instructions on the help we require now so that we do dont fall victims of attack when the tape comes out.
    HopeSmith7:Thank you Chief! That was my question. 🙂
    Majestic77:Hope r u in the news media?
    HopeSmith7:No
    Clowd:Thank you Hope for accepting that challenge
    AfricanPress(API):Dianna001 will become the Overall Public Relations Officer
    americangenie:Wow. How about that?
    AfricanPress(API):Rebecca, Meg, Trimelda, and Stacy becomes the Assistants to the Overall Public Relations Officer charged with special duties immediately the tape is out.
    Majestic77:Have any of them every dealt with PR in the MSM?
    HopeSmith7:There will be important steps to take to ensure API is protected. Communication will be key.
    *************************************
    AfricanPress(API):Cloud will be the Personal Assistant to the Chief and Immediate advisor
    AfricanPress(API):API had to do this so that all avenues are catered for so that we do not fall victim of redicule
    Clowd:Speechless….
    HopeSmith7:Cloud will do a great job! I think this will be great to have every avenue covered. Thank you for answering these questions Chief!
    americangenie:Be nice! Congrats, Cloud.
    EverWaiting:Dear computerjunkie123, please do mind your manners. Thank you.
    AfricanPress(API):The tape is coming out – for sure. All persons appointed will be expected, if they accept the appointment, to work together despite of small differences that may be.
    HopeSmith7:And we will do that.
    AfricanPress(API):API is now ready to show the America people that we have not played with their mind and to do so API needs American people like those appointed to assist fully.
    EverWaiting:Dear Chief Editor Korir, would you please tell us WHEN the tape is coming out? and thank you.
    EverWaiting:Apologies to you, computerjunkie 123.
    AfricanPress(API):Let me finish the info
    EverWaiting:Excuse me, sir.
    AfricanPress(API):We chose to do it openly – that is the appointments because this is a very important task
    AfricanPress(API):We could have done it secretly but everybody and many others have known about the tape issue for so long
    AfricanPress(API):Now is the time to say things
    AfricanPress(API):For me as the Chief, if anyone has disliked otherss, we burry the hatchet and produce results
    AfricanPress(API):API is not interested in small fights of – this is the mole, that is the mole, ohh who is the mole!
    AfricanPress(API):Now is the time to show results and the burden is on me
    AfricanPress(API):To be able to accomplish that, I need total cooperation of all the appointed and we release the tape
    AfricanPress(API):The delay has been partly, sabotage by API’s enemies and most painfully is the quarrels between API’s own GOOD supporters. I cannot manage to continue this way!
    AfricanPress(API):The tapes have been verified
    HappyV:By Who? Give names.
    AfricanPress(API):The voice is of Michelle Obama
    Majestic77:shhhhhhhhhh
    AfricanPress(API):can u let me finish. When I finish, I will sign like this – END
    AfricanPress(API):let me continue
    AfricanPress(API):You all whether my new found friends or my enemies have been with me on this journey
    AfricanPress(API):We have disagreed, we have laughed at one another, we have abused one another, but now is the time to do it.

  115. Lyn Says:

    saveusa1 Says:

    November 28, 2008 at 12:34 am
    from what I gather none of them have PR experience.

    that’s what it seemed like to me too, i see anither big mess

  116. saveusa1 Says:

    CEK says he is posting a verification letter on his website once the people he appointed have accepted.

    I don’t really care about his appointees. I just want to get to the TAPES

  117. dixieinflorida Says:

    AfricanPress(API):I can only do it right, with you. I can only do it right with your support and your support will help me complete my journey
    AfricanPress(API):All those appointed, if they accept, will get my direct call in the morning
    AfricanPress(API):I will be asking them to agree how we do it.
    AfricanPress(API):We are ready
    AfricanPress(API):We have overcome all the problems
    John C.:hey chief site looks great
    John C.:congatulations!!!!
    AfricanPress(API):API, however, needs cover, that when all breaks loose, the people appointed will use their good command of english language to help us
    AfricanPress(API):There is where we are weak.
    AfricanPress(API):Or rightly said with no shame, there is where Iam weak!
    AfricanPress(API):END
    EverWaiting:Thank you.
    Majestic77:TY
    AfricanPress(API):more
    HappyV:If you don’t provide evidence to your “staff” why will they make a committment?
    AfricanPress(API):I am pleased that most of you have been very patient. Understand, it has been very difficult alos for me to know who and when to trust
    John C.:chief you could trust us all that you know have been here
    John C.:those of us who have advised you not hasseled
    AfricanPress(API):Today , after we receieve acceptance from those appointed, we will post a verification letter on the site. We are not hiding anything. Sorry that it has taken long.
    AfricanPress(API):Good things take long. If there is any one out there to use the info I have given here by supplying to the Mountainious sageosious, let them do so. We are now complete and we fear no evil!
    AfricanPress(API):Good day to you all and I personally wish you the best celebration — Chief END
    americangenie:Thank you, Chief & God bless you.
    HopeSmith7:Thanks for the update CEK! Sent you an email and will talk to you in the morning.

  118. Troy Says:

    Leo Donofrio and Cort Wrotnowski on Joe Thunder RadioThanksgiving Night- 6:00 PM Pacific

    Click Here to Listen Live and Chat Tues & Thurs 6- 8PM Pacific

    Call In at 806-447-0270

  119. Troy Says:

    http: / /

    freedommarch.org/FreedomMarch_Radio.html

  120. rovingpatrol Says:

    Gee, I thought the tapes were coming out by today…for sure. heh

  121. Cyndi Says:

    Hi everyone, hope you had a great day. Come to plains radio, apparently Leo is going to come on and drop a bombshell. Something about a judge talking about the case and saying the election is going to be overuled. So I am excited to find out what’s going on.

  122. jjones35811 Says:

    Cyndi…
    link please?

  123. rovingpatrol Says:

    you can get there through the link above my last comment

  124. jjones35811 Says:

    thanks roving. what time?

  125. jjones35811 Says:

    doh! nevermind

  126. Cyndi Says:

    freedommarch.org/FreedomMarch_Radio.html

  127. Cyndi Says:

    I was gonna tell ya link above but that was more typing than copy and paste. And then dummy me didn’t see that roving already told ya were!

  128. tooncesmom Says:

    LInk now is Polarik. Is Donofrio coming on later?

  129. Lyn Says:

    Leo on now

  130. jjones35811 Says:

    Ok, someone update here afterwards, it’s not working for me

  131. rovingpatrol Says:

    well what he said, is it good or not? Him saying since leo’s application was made public means the justices talked to each other? or he isnt sure if they did.

  132. rovingpatrol Says:

    Link wont work for me using firefox but does using IE

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  134. Tenacity Says:

    I was late catching the Thunder show. I have it on now. Did anyone get the link to the article they are talking about? Also, did Leo say that Scalia was on the TV?

  135. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    i also tried to post to MSNBC. ……nada…..
    hello everyone

  136. sliderblaze Says:

    anyone got the msnbc link

  137. Lyn Says:

    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/11/26/1689515.aspx
    I tired to post a couple posts about different things that were wrong (like having a Hawiian BC means you were born there) but none went thru since yesterday.

  138. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    hello everyone

  139. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    i tried posting to MSnbc……. nada

  140. hockeyfan530 Says:

    this is interesting from the Tulsa link that didn’t work a few days ago

    tulsatoday.com/newsdesk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1801&Itemid=2

  141. sliderblaze Says:

    same here…..

  142. Lyn Says:

    justanamericancindy4 Says:

    November 28, 2008 at 4:30 am
    i tried posting to MSnbc……. nada

    My last post to them, (that didn’t post) was I quit reading them during the primaries when they would not post any Pro Hill or any thing against Obama comments, but thought since they were actually posting about the BC, their only pro Obama comment policy might have changed but see nothing has changed and they are a disgrace

  143. hockeyfan530 Says:

    ireport.com/docs/DOC-154252

    some good links in this one as well

  144. sliderblaze Says:

    i posted over at greta bout it, i’m gonna be there all freakin weekend cus that in itself is a story. we need to lean on these people

  145. Lyn Says:

    Leo’s new site http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/

  146. sliderblaze Says:

    shot across the bow of Lan Lamphere

  147. hockeyfan530 Says:

    i wonder if a veteran or a serviceman would have standing. After all Obama may be their commander in chief

    rightsidenews.com/200811262775/editorial/veterans-continue-to-voice-concerns-on-the-obama-presidency.html

  148. sba1872 Says:

    Leo is so upset because he’s unfamiliar with Supreme Court procedure. But really, there can’t be too many lawyers who ARE familiar with it. And this case in particular is unique anyway.

  149. Lyn Says:

    Leo’s site naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com
    http not www

  150. dixieinflorida Says:

    WASHINGTON — Conservative bloggers are furious that the Mainstream Media is ignoring the two petitions at the Supreme Court challenging Barack Obama’s election.

    honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20081126/NEWS21/811260391/-1/RSS02?source=rss_localnews

    This is what Leo was mainly talking about tonight

    federalistblog.us/2008/11/natural-born_citizen_defined.html#more

  151. Tenacity Says:

    Thank you Dixie

  152. sba1872 Says:

    “Justice David Souter has denied applications for injunctions in both cases, though Berg’s petition is on the justices’ private Dec. 8 conference list (all petitions filed with the court get consideration).”

    ———

    Leo’s case is on for conference 12/6. He didn’t mention that at all. Love the snotty ending:

    “It’s an indication of how seriously the government takes the case that Solicitor General Gregory Garre has waived his right to respond to the petition.”

  153. Cyndi Says:

    Oklahoma Elector saying Obama must have something to hide.

    Additionally, the “blogosphere is ablaze with stories about it, pro and con,” according to Oklahoma’s own Mike McCarville who notes an e-mail from Bunny Chambers of Oklahoma City, a Republican elector this year saying, “There must be something to hide if BHO won’t release proof, if he has it, that he is a natural born US citizen. He isn’t officially elected until the Electoral College meets on December 15th. I am a member of the 2008 Electoral College. I can’t believe that this is actually happening right before our eyes. We must do something! I’ve worked over 30 years to protect our US Constitution and now it seems that it will have been all for naught.”

    freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2139445/posts

    Awesome I Love It!! I just wish we had more like him.

  154. Cyndi Says:

    Bunny Chambers goes on to say-
    ImageNo Bunny, as long as we have life there is hope. Hope that citizens will continue to demand honest transparent government, hope that all government service will be conducted at the highest moral and ethical standards, hope that the courts will act according to the Constitution, and hope that media will be the guardians they proclaim … is not dead. Hope thrives as we live. We give hope every day around the kitchen table. I have taught my daughter and she is teaching her children – stand for what is true, just, and right in honor of those before you that have fought and died to guarantee that precious freedom.

    “We will granddad,” the kids answer. Thus freedom flourishes despite whatever crisis of the day may come – technical or political – from dark to dawn.

  155. sba1872 Says:

    Correction to my post above: Donofrio v Wells is scheduled for conference Friday, 12/5 (not 12/6).

  156. Cyndi Says:

    I think a few of you that had posted comments on the 16th here, made it in the comment section at API. Just thought I’d let ya know.

    africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/11/27/why-wait-to-have-sex-in-marriage-a-mans-perspective/#comment-86751

  157. the unveiler Says:

    Cyndi – notta – I translated that comment #86751 and it says – in Danish:

    CE:
    For live-links’s removal, you may not be prudent NOK.
    If I were you I would treat everyone here as a “Quisling” pending STRIP transmission has occurred. This also applies to the so-called inner circle. You do not know which of them may be due to become an “informer” as we also called them during the war.
    We are talking here about international and domestic political game at the highest nivå, in scenes where oboter sprouting up everywhere on the network and seeks to nedpresse truth be known to people here in “God’s Country.”
    I suspect that most who writes and records here and in your so-called inner circle, are women. Not because I want to say slurs on them, but they have a tendency to “slander” more than we men.
    We have a slogan here in the states of the world war that: “Lose Lips, sink ships”!
    Again, you can not be prudently enough. Yesterday as I am a YouTube of Reverend James Manning go after the current president candidates, and believe me, oboterne allowed to invade his removal by disparaging remark on his uTube while he spoke.
    What happened Thursday API last week would be enough for you to all of us here can be a “Quisling” or “sticks” because you do not know personally.
    It is Thanksgiving here, so I must run!
    M.v.h

  158. dixieinflorida Says:

    Cyndi Says:
    November 28, 2008 at 6:21 am

    Oklahoma Elector saying Obama must have something to hide.

    Additionally, the “blogosphere is ablaze with stories about it, pro and con,” according to Oklahoma’s own Mike McCarville who notes an e-mail from Bunny Chambers of Oklahoma City, a Republican elector this year saying, “There must be something to hide if BHO won’t release proof, if he has it, that he is a natural born US citizen. He isn’t officially elected until the Electoral College meets on December 15th. I am a member of the 2008 Electoral College. I can’t believe that this is actually happening right before our eyes. We must do something! I’ve worked over 30 years to protect our US Constitution and now it seems that it will have been all for naught.”

    freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2139445/posts
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    Well that’s a start if local news reports it, then maybe more and more will start asking questions.

    You have to remember there are no telling how many people do not use the internet so it’s great local papers are starting to say something especially the electors

  159. dixieinflorida Says:

    Cyndi Says:
    November 28, 2008 at 7:11 am

    I think a few of you that had posted comments on the 16th here, made it in the comment section at API. Just thought I’d let ya know.

    africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/11/27/why-wait-to-have-sex-in-marriage-a-mans-perspective/#comment-86751
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    Yeah I’m one of them and I see my reply to him didn’t make it out of moderation which was…………

    Well I’m not Norwegian and most on here aren’t either but I’m very flattered that you are so infatuated with me that you must surf the American sites for what I post to repaste them here. What a very lonely person you must be.

    So in reference to your Quisling, I have not written anything at other blogs that I have not written here. I have been coming here since September waiting for this tape and then the new Iman document.

    Certainly there is doubt since it has been so long and was supposed to be released before the election and then before TG or on TG and it still has not as it is Thankgiving today in the US. And as I stated on another post I will be one of the first to apoligize to the Chief when the tape and documents are released.

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    thanks for the translation the

  160. wndawmn666 Says:

    I am so glad that Leo was speaking about what is said on the Federalist Blog. I truly believe that site offers a great deal of insight into the original intent of the Framers. This is exactly what will be discussed should the suit move forward.

    Earlier this week I posted a link to a video of Clarence Thomas speaking about the role of Government and the Constitution. It was pretty clear to me how he feels about it and I can only hope the other justices share his ideals.

    In an interesting twist of events, I spoke with Orly Taitz (Alan Keyes lawsuit) last night for about 45 minutes.

    There is a lot of suspect stuff going on. In particular, a person that is named as an Elector in California, has been dead for several years. Wonder who planned on voting in her absence…

  161. wndawmn666 Says:

    Here is a recap of the Justice Thomas stuff:

    If anyone would like to see what Justice Thomas has to say about Government and the Constitution, please take a few minutes to watch some of the video here:

    http://tiny.cc/2sfeL

    He begins to speak about the role of Government and the Constitution around minute 17:00. Around minute 27:00 he speaks about how he remains fair and neutral. Please listen carefully to what he says between 27:00 and 30:40.

    Paraphrasing below:

    “to remain neutral we, as judges, must accept as law and as a given, the framers’ intentions. Let me put it this way; there are really only two ways to interpret the Constitution:

    (1)Try to discern as best we can what the Framers intended or (2) make it up.”

    Good stuff.

    I do not think they will have difficulty determining the original intent of the Framers. What they will decide from there, who knows.

  162. rosettasister Says:

    Good morning, America! How are you?!

    Too stuffed to move?

    New Thread:

    https://rosettasister.wordpress.com/2008/11/28/%e2%80%9cconason-dont-worry-liberals-obama-still-planning-radical-change%e2%80%9d/

  163. thinkingmom11 Says:

    wnd – thanks for all your good information. I too feel like the info in the Federalist blog is really good stuff. Thanks for letting me use the post up there, too. I am going to include it in an email I am going to send out.

    Can someone give me the breakdown on what Leo’s opinion on that was? Poor Leo may be in a little over his head…if he suceeds it will be a victory for the common guy. I am glad too that Thomas is on top of this case – he is an excellent justice with a mind to strictly interpret the Constitution.

    ANYWAY, I hope everyone had a wonderful Thanksgiving. I had a nice time with my LIBERAL family-in-laws…I made some political points but sorta kept Obama out of it except to say that we should expect taxes to hit the roof before he is out of office – to which the actually seemed to agree! Wierd.

    I am gonna do a little shopping so I will check back in later. If someone can update me on Leo’s case I always read the old post so TIA!

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