Hugh Hewitt Interviews Christopher Hitchens and Mitt Romney and Peter Hitchens on Barack Obama

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(Note: Don’t think I can take Christopher Hitchens seriously any longer after his endorsement of Obama. CH knows better than anyone else how unnecessarily difficult Obama and his ilk made this war for us and our allies. What a turncoat! Perhaps I can turn to his brother for enlightenment. See below.)

Wednesday November 19, 2008

H1: Christopher Hitchens, Mitt Romney With Hugh Hewitt

11190801 Hewitt: Hour 1 – Hugh catches up on politics and the shape of the Obama (Clinton) administration taking shape with Vanity Fair columnist Christopher Hitchens, and then talks Big 3 auto bailout and what the Republicans need to do next with former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney.

Listen here:

http://townhall.edgeboss.net/download/townhall/audio/mp3/eebe83a1-5277-4a4b-92ea-86dab6577f3a.mp3

Transcripts:

Christopher Hitchens reflects on Obama’s early cabinet choices

http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/talkradio/transcripts/Transcript.aspx?ContentGuid=10eff047-33e0-41e2-bec7-55f3a61131dd

Mitt Romney explains why he’s against the Big 3 auto bailout, and where the Republicans go after the election

http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/talkradio/transcripts/Transcript.aspx?ContentGuid=e0e50ad8-7b0a-47b1-84da-df5e336d2669

EXCERPT

HH: In terms of the early appointments that we’ve got, Secretary of State elect Clinton, Attorney General elect Holder and Health And Human Services Secretary Daschle, what’s your opinion of those, Mitt Romney?

MR: Well you know, I don’t know which ones we’ll finally see. Frankly, I’d rather have a Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State than Barack Obama, because her responses to issues like who’d she meet with if she were president and so forth, and her posture on Iraq was more moderate, and I thought more well-considered than was Barack Obama’s. So she may not be as attractive to me as Colin Powell, but she’s better than we might have expected from Barack Obama. You know, time will tell where they are. Rahm Emanuel is a very effective leader-manager. I don’t know where he’s going to take the President, but we can cross our fingers.

The following is a bit harsh, but that’s what I would expect from a Hitchens brother.

“The night we waved goodbye to America … our last best hope on Earth”

http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2008/11/the-night-we-wa.html

EXCERPT

Just look at his sermon by the shores of Lake Michigan. He really did talk about a ‘new dawn’, and a ‘timeless creed’ (which was ‘yes, we can’). He proclaimed that ‘change has come’. He revealed that, despite having edited the Harvard Law Review, he doesn’t know what ‘enormity’ means. He reached depths of oratorical drivel never even plumbed by our own Mr Blair, burbling about putting our hands on the arc of history (or was it the ark of history?) and bending it once more toward the hope of a better day (Don’t try this at home).

I am not making this up. No wonder that awful old hack Jesse Jackson sobbed as he watched. How he must wish he, too, could get away with this sort of stuff.

http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2008/11/obamaniacs.html

EXCERPT

I am grateful for the many contributors who saw my point. This is, in sum, that political cults are bad in themselves because they are hostile to reason and give their beneficiaries more power than anyone ought to have, and because we demean ourselves by worshipping mere mortals.

Ah well, back to my “rank, muck-filled cave”.

Michelle Obama Chief Editor Korir African Press International API

344 Responses to “Hugh Hewitt Interviews Christopher Hitchens and Mitt Romney and Peter Hitchens on Barack Obama”

  1. Ksinde. Says:

    show… you need to get your head out of your butt. it is not that a dem won, it is about all the things he is hiding>with holding. It is not like we are asking for any national security secrets. i don’t feel comfortable with a president that feels he has to hide something so simple as his college transcripts. if he would just show us, his next employer, all that we are asking for, this would go away.

  2. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    Hello

  3. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    I did not feel comfortable with Bush as pres. The guy couldnt manage a baseball team..and we gave him the country? Ohh well. We lived through it and now have moved on.

  4. Ksinde. Says:

    SHOW – you are not part of the Civilian National Security Force YET. Who put you in charge of protecting us naive people. Who made you our savior?

  5. Stacy Says:

    Good morning!

    Christopher Hitchens is an evil, evil man. Not surprised he supports Obama.

    BBL

  6. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    I enjoy Hitchens even though he supported Bush.

  7. thinkingmom11 Says:

    OK – show-watcher and jonesq – I find it really sad that y’all are SO OBSESSED with the tape deal. Many of us have MOVED ON. We discuss many things here one of which occaisionally seems to be the tapes. But if you would take a minute and read through most people are extremely skeptical and many don’t believe at all and there are a few who just kinda hope it is true but aren’t stakeing much in that matter.

    If you guys come on here and just start throwning insults around like some toddler with his first bowl of spaghetti, I am going to get seriously p*ssed. Which – I know – you don’t care about and you will probably hurl insults at me because that is the way you work: Mock, accuse, insult, mock some more, defend yourselves as some sort of saviour saving us from some perceived threat that endangers our “feelings, ” ignore pleas asking you to leave, disrupt the conversation and then leave feeling oh so superior to the “poor naves” here. I, for one an not interested in your childish folly. Go find some other co-dependant to save.

    So I am going to ask you to please not come here anymore. I am sure you are both intellegent people but the people here are too. Many of us here just have a different worldview than you do – SO WHAT – it happens.
    Your coming here mocking us (for something that is not nearly a big deal here as you seem to think it is) does nothing to win people over to your way of thinking – it just makes us angry and makes you look, well, petty and mean-spirited. (I know none of this bothers you because you seem to have such a high opinion of yourself that nothing anyone could ever say to you could ever reach you up in the little ivory tower you have built for yourself – but I want to say it anyway.)

    Fortunately most of us have grown up and I suggest you do the same.

    Sorry – Jon but, yes, you are mocking – you probably think you are just being cute.

  8. toonces777 Says:

    Did you see Janet Napolitano’s been shortlisted for Dept. of Homeland Security? Now I know we’re going down the tubes. She is so pro-amnesty it’s sickening. My son is a US Border Patrol Agent and I can tell you some stories…

  9. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    Believe what you wish. I was trying to point out that noone here is waiting for the tapes. I have been here a few days now and that is what i have seen.

    I do speak with sarcasm at times but will let you know if I do.

  10. Ksinde. Says:

    For all you lurkers, why do you care what we think? Is does you no harm what we think. For the most part the people here are logical and have lost all hope that the tapes exist. But that is none of your concern anyway.

    Rosetta,

    I don’t understand why you let people like show watchr post here. You have a good thing going on here. I think most come here to get away from the insults and them calling us dumb and naive. I for one enjoy coming here to be able to chat with like minded people without hearing all the insults. JMHO

  11. thinkingmom11 Says:

    oh, ummm, that was sarcasm, ummm wasn’t it? I’m not sure – could you clarify. Gee Jon – what would I do without you…

  12. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    You would have no yang to your yin?

    Notice a slight note of sarcasm in above statement.

  13. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Toon – This new “hopey changey” Obama administration is sure looking familiar – sorta of a “Back to the Future” vibe! I think this Obama character has no original thought in his head and so he is copying Clinton because he has NO CONTACTS, NO EXPERIENCE and NO CLUE what he is doing – kina funny.

  14. Ksinde. Says:

    Mom, well put!

    Esq., i really think that you don’t believe half the things you say. I really think you write the things you do to just get a rise out of us.

  15. thinkingmom11 Says:

    wow -Jon – you’re quick – Thanks for verifying…

  16. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    morning everyone

  17. Ksinde. Says:

    morning cindy

  18. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    opps let me remove that link I still have in my name

  19. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    ksinde

    Dead honest: As much as I disagree with rosetta on most things I respect the open forum and civility she provides in her blog. I like to respect that and be as civil as possible while in heated discussions.

    Yes, I do enjoy debate so I need a rise from the other side to have a heated one.

  20. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    hi Ksinde

  21. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Hey Ksinde

    Do you know Foxtrot and I figured out we are from the same town.

  22. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Cindy – I think your doggie avatar and my kitty avatar should have a throw down! They look so funny next to each other…

  23. Ksinde. Says:

    Esq, yes i do not argue that you are civil about it. but, joking and sarcism aside, i really don’t believe that you whole heartidly believe all that you say.

  24. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    What do you think I do not believe?

  25. Ksinde. Says:

    cindy, yes i saw that. small world!!!

    mom, i must say yor kitting is uglayyy. sry to say. lol

  26. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    I just have an open mind, we try not to have preformed opinions.
    We know there are at of BS out on the net and we use this forum to root at the truth.. bc that is really the only thing we care about is the truth.

  27. Ksinde. Says:

    esq, where do i start? the thing that sticks out to me right now is that you say it does not bother you that BO is not allowing us to see his college transcripts and his client list when a lawyer ect… that blows me away.

  28. Ksinde. Says:

    Esq – also, i forget is you touched on this, but where do you stand in regards to his tax plan?

  29. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    mom,

    not sure who would win, the cat or the chihuahua,….. Chihauahua’s are a mixture of all balls and no brains and big babies.
    I love the 4 I have, so much like children

  30. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Ksinde – I picked that kitty because that she looked the way I felt after the elections LOL

    I am considering changing it – I am feeling better – though I know not why…

  31. Ksinde. Says:

    mom, don’t change it. it works for you…lol

  32. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    Hmmm not sure I said it doesnt bother me that he wont release a college transcript.

    I honestly am not fully informed on how often presidental candiates release this info. I know we had information on McCains college days which painted him in a bad light.

    I have made the point the Obama shouldnt have to release additional info that other canidates have not released in the past.

  33. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Mom.

    Sorry, but the kitty kind of reminds me of Yoda from Star Wars.

    I know what you mean,. after the election I felt a panic,… still not comfortable with an OB presidentcy….. but the panic is slipping away

  34. Mia Says:

    Good morning all. I hope no one minds if I ask a question that’s been bugging me for a while.

    I’ve been following all the Obama sagas, and I fully expected the Republicans to make a big deal out of all these stories that the MSM refused to report about once the primaries were over, but they didn’t. Not even the conservative radio talk shows are talking about any of this to this day. Not the COLB, nor the Selective Registration, nor API, nor Larry Sinclair, and on and on ad nauseum. Does anyone have any ideas why?

    Savage has spoken to Berg a couple of times, and Hannity flirted with Corsi very briefly, but dropped him like a hot potato without another word. If Hannity found out somehow that Corsi was full of beans, then why didn’t Hannity say so? This is also why I don’t believe that their silence is because they believe/know it’s not true. First, that never stopped them before. Second, if they know it’s not true, why not tell us so? They have to know how much attention this is getting in the blogosphere, so why not set us straight?

    What really puzzles me is the silence on the court cases. I remember reading and hearing about the court cases against McCain, so that was considered “newsworthy,” but why not the cases against Obama? Especially the Supreme Court cases. To me, once it goes to court, it’s not a rumor anymore, it’s a news story.

    I know the Republican’s support for McCain was iffy at best. Could it be that they’d rather have Obama than McCain? That seems pretty extreme, but plausible I guess.

    Could it be because they’ve got some grand coup planned for the 12th hour and just don’t want to talk about it publicly? Even more extreme, but again, plausible.

    I’d enjoy hearing what others think about this. Thanks!

  35. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    The roll back on the tax cuts for the top income groups?

    I support it, trickle down has not worked we need to put more money into the pockets of the middle and lower class instead of the investor class to get money back into the economy.

    In the long run I think the tax system needs an overhaul the 39% that the top will be taxed under Obama seems high but the actual rate after interest, investment, property and so on down the line deductions is much less. We need to close all these deductions and lower tax for all. Neither candiate proposed that.

  36. show-watchr Says:

    I’m still waiting for a link to a site, other than liar berg’s site, to a place that documents the ad for the “natural born” conspiracy. Noted is the “usa today” ad that apparently didn’t hapen. also, the ‘washinton times” ad that only happened in berg’s word. well… show me.

  37. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Ksinde – Remember the stink when it was looking like Bush wasn’t going to release some info (I don’t remember if it was flight records from NG or what) and people were freaking out? Obama has just been so flippant about SO MUCH of his past – it is crazy. He wants us to beleive the ILLUSION of who he is and releasing those records would throw back the curtain on his magic show.

    I think we should be demanding those documents (esp. college transcripts/thesis/dissertations, medical records – not just a note that my kids elementary school wouldn’t accept for enrollment!, and his OWN client list from the law firm.)

  38. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    Okay from reading McCain released his class rankign information for the Naval Academy but not transcripts.

    So equally bothered on both cases.

  39. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    The media made a big deal out of McCain finishing 4th from last in his class.

    I took it more that he ONLY went there because his Daddy pushed him there…..When I am pushed into something I really don’t want to do, I give little effort. That was my take on it.

  40. show-watchr Says:

    you folks gotta give…. give give give. you gotta give to berg et. al. give.. i tell you, where would this would be if you didn’t give to berg and his crazy people. give more. give. i tell you, you folks won’t be right unless you give.

  41. thinkingmom11 Says:

    when I say people freaked out – I mean PRESS – so I am using the term lightly 🙂

  42. Ksinde. Says:

    Yes McCain has admitted that he was a slacker in school. No secret there, but i believe he has been a senator and has a track record, wether you agree with his record or not, you have his history to prove where he stands.

    Now Bo on the other hand, has little history. I need to knw more. He has WENT OUT of his way to seal his records so we are not able to get an honest glimpse into his head. He can get on a stump and say whatever he feels, but his thesis for example would give us a better understanding of him. His thesis is his and his alone, not what a speech writer wants him to say or think

  43. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    From a Ny sun article on Obama and the transcripts:

    ——————————————
    More is known about Mr. McCain’s experience at the United States Naval Academy, where he was a self-described troublemaker and graduated in the bottom 1% of his class. The McCain campaign has declined to release his transcript, saying that his performance at the academy can only be viewed in the context of his larger military career.

    “His record stands on its own,” a McCain spokesman, Peter Feldman, said. “His time spent in college was part of the transformative years that made him who he was.”
    —————————————–

    I would have liked to see transcipts on both sides. I am not sure abotu the legality of releasing a client list.

  44. show-watchr Says:

    when I say people freaked out – I mean PRESS – so I am using the term lightly
    =====
    you’re speaking of the MSM. those who don’t consider this crap nonsense on not worthy right?

  45. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    Did he not release his harvard record?

    I did read that Obama’s columbia time was still his troubled youth period. As McCains academy time was… His record at Havard sheds more light on him as an adult.

  46. show-watchr Says:

    jonathanwrightesq Says:
    saw you said i was not on target? what? what point?

  47. thinkingmom11 Says:

    show – I don’t know anyone here who “GAVE” I know I haven’t given anything to anyone…and if they are – they aren’t giving anything that belongs to you anyway. Maybe you should settle down and relax…MYOB

  48. ddlew Says:

    J

  49. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    show I have seen no evidence of people here obsessing and waiting for the Michelle Obama tape. That is where you are off base.

  50. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    I for one don’t have much faith in Burg.

    I read his legal documents twice,…… and I found them to be very “first year law student”

    My only hope for Burg’s case is “media attention”
    For MSM to finally report that OB is paying big bucks to Lawyers to fight something so easily solved by just showing it.

  51. Ksinde. Says:

    SHOW…The people here are more interested in Leo’s case. Berg’s case is a whatever we will see issue here. But if you took the time to read the threads here you would see that.

    Give it a rest you, who put you in charge of making us see the light? WHO?????

    Rosetta, take a vote to see if your loyal readers want to boot Show Watchr

  52. ddlew Says:

    OOPS!

    Jonathan,

    Your George Bush comment about managing a baseball team has absolutely no basis in fact.

    This is just typical far left drivel.

  53. thinkingmom11 Says:

    YES show – I am talking about the MSM – but what they consider “crap and nonsense” I may not agree with. What “crap” and “nonsense” are you referring too? The tapes? Yes. C & N unless something happens to change that.

    I happen to think the natural born citizen issue is not c&n. I think it is important to establish – it is, after all, a Constitutional issue. Now, you don’t think the Constitution is c&n, do you?

  54. thinkingmom11 Says:

    I vote SHOW off the island unless he can contribute something meaningful to the tribe.

  55. show-watchr Says:

    thinkingmom11 Says:
    November 20, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    show – I don’t know anyone here who “GAVE” I know I haven’t given anything to anyone…and if they are – they aren’t giving anything that belongs to you anyway. Maybe you should settle down and relax…MYOB

    [==================

    you are exactly the person i think should give your personal info to the chief over at the african prss place. please do. i’m settled. i’ve got no problems. i’m loving every minuite of these crazy conspiracey theories. I know they’re all crap. but, fun, for showwatcher. if you want it different, you gotta come up with something else. this conspiracy stuff only appeals to a certain demographic. meanwhile… life happens… like 0bama’s new cabinet. oh… don’t worry ’bout that. you’r gonna get him on some crazy conspiracy. lol.

  56. thinkingmom11 Says:

    I think the biggest conspiracy theory is right inside your own head, Show.

  57. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    Your right ddlew there was only alligations of insider trading by Bush as the Owner of the team.

    That was one of my sarcastic comments about bush and baseball.

  58. Ksinde. Says:

    I 2nd that Mom… He is disruptive. I 100% disagree with Esq, but atleast he is civil and gives logic to his thinking.

    Show is just tring to cause havoc just like he did at API

  59. show-watchr Says:

    thinkingmom11 Says:
    November 20, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    I vote SHOW off the island unless he can contribute something meaningful to the tribe.
    =]\
    Oh… i can do that. I’ll be good. beat the drum here. lol. i’ll just say whatver they want me to. please send the context.

    you are a fool.

    please…. give the chief your info. you are a jerk.

  60. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Actually, Show, I think Obama’s cabinet is proving that he has absolutely NO CLUE what he is doing. The man doens’t have an original thought in his head – hence the “back to the future” Clinton-rehash administration. Sorta pathetic really – and to think so many just wanted “CHANGE.”

  61. Ksinde. Says:

    SHOW-you are a trouble maker!!!!!

    GET HIM OFF OF OUR PEACEFUL ISLAND!!!!!

  62. show-watchr Says:

    thinkingmom11 Says:
    November 20, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    Actually, Show, I think Obama’s cabinet is proving that he has absolutely NO CLUE what he is doing. The man doens’t have an original thought in his head – hence the “back to the future” Clinton-rehash administration. Sorta pathetic really – and to think so many just wanted “CHANGE.”\
    \==============
    now your’re talkin’. good.
    leave all the rest of this behind.

    i can argue with you on these points, and if this blog goes there, i will. so are… seems to me, this blog is about crazy stuff. if not, i’ll debate you. i might not win… but it will be worthy.

  63. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Awww – show. I’m a jerk?! How could you?! I am SOOOOO hurt. Ksinde- will you hold my hand and, please, bring me a tissue. Hurry before I go find a cliff to jump off of…

    Waaaa Waaaa, show

  64. Ksinde. Says:

    SHOW – Go back to MS. BTW is that MS’s husband on her avatar? Also, when you go back to MS, tell Pig Dog i think he should change his name to Pig Dame, because in his avatar he is sporting some nice cleavage!

  65. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    my vote…… off the tribe

  66. Ksinde. Says:

    mom, step back away from the edge, it is ok, you will rise above…lol

  67. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Show Watchr

    must be difficult living in such a small box, and boring to boot since you know everything

  68. show-watchr Says:

    thinkingmom11 Says:
    November 20, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    Awww – show. I’m a jerk?! How could you?! I am SOOOOO hurt. Ksinde- will you hold my hand and, please, bring me a tissue. Hurry before I go find a cliff to jump off of…

    Waaaa Waaaa, show
    ———————
    hell no.. i just want you to give money. or, don’t you put your money there? didn’t you give money for the ads? i’ve asked about the ads? where are they? just a bunch of baloney?

  69. Ksinde. Says:

    Show, you sound like my 12 yr old when he argues with me about doing the dishes or cleaning his room.

  70. ddlew Says:

    Jonathan,

    Allegations? Well there have also been allegations that Bush was complicit in 9/11.

    GW was a minority owner of a PRIVATELY HELD organization. Insider trading? I think not.

    Now if you want to talk about Mark Cuban, that bastard is guilty as sin. 🙂

  71. show-watchr Says:

    Ksinde. Says:
    November 20, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    SHOW – Go back to MS. BTW is that MS’s husband on her avatar? Also, when you go back to MS, tell Pig Dog i think he should change his name to Pig Dame, because in his avatar he is sporting some nice cleavage!justanamericancindy4 Says:
    November 20, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    Show Watchr

    must be difficult living in such a small box, and boring to boot since you know everythingKsinde. Says:
    November 20, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    SHOW-you are a trouble maker!!!!!

    GET HIM OFF OF OUR PEACEFUL ISLAND!!!!!

    ================
    nice rose.
    whatever.
    keep your crazy folks.
    fact is… it’s all nuts.

  72. Ksinde. Says:

    SHOW, i see you are enjoying the no moderation freedom Rosetta provides. MS should do the same.

  73. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Show says: “didn’t you give money for the ads? i’ve asked about the ads? where are they? just a bunch of baloney?”

    Are the voices in your head talking back again?

  74. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Ok
    Show has become Robin Williams,,, way back when Robin did drugs
    When he would go soooooooo far off field he was the only one who thought himself funny

  75. show-watchr Says:

    Ksinde. Says:
    November 20, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    Show, you sound like my 12 yr old when he argues with me about doing the dishes or cleaning his room.
    =============
    hard to fiigure a 12 year old is smarter than you. but… whaterver.

  76. Ksinde. Says:

    SHOW… its ok, u r just a PIG DAME and SHE HIM SAGE lover… it is ok don’t be ashamed

  77. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    You do know he was investigated (and I admit cleared) of insider trading on the stadium deal.

    That goes a bit farther than the tin foil 9/11 alligations.

  78. rosettasister Says:

    I guess you could say I’m a little behind the curve.

    But I’m getting mixed messages from people on whether or not Korir is really in the saddle again at old WordPress URL.

    Anyone know for sure, one way or the other?

    Thanks

    Rose

  79. show-watchr Says:

    Ksinde. Says:
    November 20, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    SHOW… its ok, u r just a PIG DAME and SHE HIM SAGE lover… it is ok don’t be ashamed
    ==============
    not sure what that means… but..,., being from the messages here.. whatever. you’ve a goofus.

  80. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    MS ……attacts the loons and the socially unexceptable..

    Sage doesn’t allow debate on her site…. just blindness

  81. Ksinde. Says:

    “Whatever”… is that the best you got

  82. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    I will get i right one of these times.

    allegations not alligations.

  83. thinkingmom11 Says:

    So Jon – using your logic anyone who is investigated for a crime – even if they are cleared – they aren’t REALLY cleared? How’s that?

  84. show-watchr Says:

    anybody here got the link to an ad placed regarding obama’s status? i mean usa today? washingt0on times? you folks still giving moneY? good. meanwhile,,, anybody got a link other than liar berg? anybody? bueller? anybody? fools? anybody?

  85. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    I already admited that the baseball remark was sarcastic.

    If Obama was investigated for something and cleared would you be so quick to just say he is completely innocent? People claim when daddy is pres you get some strings pulled.. I really not sure what to think about the whole thing..but somethign does not feel right on the whole deal. Just a gut thing…

  86. Ksinde. Says:

    SHOW…. We are supporters of Leo Donofrio’s case… Go do your research.

  87. show-watchr Says:

    Ksinde. Says:
    November 20, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    SHOW…. We are supporters of Leo Donofrio’s case… Go do your research

    =============
    been there. done that. you are an ass.

  88. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Show – I don’t think WT puts their print ads online. Why don’t you go to your local library and see if you can’t scare up a copy of the paper yourself and look for it?

  89. Ksinde. Says:

    Rosetta,

    please consider banning Show Watchr

  90. Ksinde. Says:

    well i gota go…bbl…have a good day all

  91. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    bye ksinde.

    So do you believe now that I really do stand behind my statements?

  92. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Show – enough is enough. If you want to be here, fine, present an intellegent arguement, make a new point, introduce a new discussion point (and stick with it) but be respectful.

    I for one am tired of the c&n that comes out of your mind. Go back to your basement.

  93. show-watchr Says:

    thinkingmom11 Says:
    November 20, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    Show – I don’t think WT puts their print ads online. Why don’t you go to your local library and see if you can’t scare up a copy of the paper yourself and look for it?
    =========

    sure… ‘caue the MSM wouln’t look into to it. you are a fool. but, please do give money. ’cause you’re the fool they’re looking for. and… don’tpass by editor korir’s place. ‘case he needs money too. lol. give. i mean give. you s$$. give.

  94. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    c u later Ksinde

  95. rosettasister Says:

    Ksinde. Says:
    November 20, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    Rosetta,

    please consider banning Show Watchr

    ———————–
    Show does seem rather unpleasant.

    I would suggest not engaging.

    Show, couldn’t you make your arguments in a more reasonable manner.

    This is just the kind of negativity we were all hoping to escape.

    Rose

  96. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    don’t debate…..
    just mock, threaten, abuse and cause a chao’s of cunfusion so you don’t have to show how lame your arguments are

  97. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Show – you really are THICK. You are dealing in some sort of alternate reality where YOU are the smartest person in the room. You are a sad little person. And since you like a$$ so much – kiss mine.

  98. show-watchr Says:

    Show does seem rather unpleasant.

    I would suggest not engaging.

    Show, couldn’t you make your arguments in a more reasonable manner.

    This is just the kind of negativity we were all hoping to escape.

    Rose
    ==============
    this would suggest to me that you still belive the Chef to be a man of honor. is that so?

  99. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    cunfusion = confusion
    hate typo’s and I am guilty of many

  100. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    Show

    Even if the ad was in the Washington Times it would be pretty uneffective. The paper has a circulation of about 100,000 and appeals to the pretty far right. An online ad would probably gather more attention than one would in the times.

  101. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Sorry Rosetta – I was typing while you were posting. I will no longer interact with show (just couldn’t bring myself to say “engage” 😉 ) out of respect for you and your hospitality. I do sincerely appreciate you letting us hang out on your blog.

  102. thinkingmom11 Says:

    OK – Rosetta – ***biting my tongue**** re: show

  103. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    this would suggest to me that you still belive the Chef to be a man of honor. is that so?
    ___________________________

    huh?????? what planet are you on

    none of us are talking about tapes, or Mr Korir
    you should get that tunnel vision checked out

  104. rosettasister Says:

    show-watchr Says:
    November 20, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    this would suggest to me that you still belive the Chef to be a man of honor. is that so?

    ———————

    There is absolutely no logic in your statement, but I will answer anyway.

    Yes, I am still holding out hope that Korir is a man of honor.

    But as you can see not everyone here agrees with me.

    I have also written that it may do more harm than good to air audio now.

    You seem to be the only one obsessed with Korir here.

  105. show-watchr Says:

    again.. i ask you all… show me the ads? how stupid are you? show me the ads? they aren’t real. none of this is real. you are just caught up in a stupid congregation of stupid not real blogs. show me where it’s in realtme. oh… ’cause it’s stupid. show me the ad. show me anytthing. crazy. whatever.

  106. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Jon – how about you and show go have your conversation over at MS? If you want to come back – fine – you don’t seem to be a $%* disturber and I appreciate your arguements. BUT, show needs to go – he is a nuisance and not rational (I am not even sure he is an adult.)

  107. show-watchr Says:

    show me in real life. other than your stupid berg blogs. show me something real. lol.

  108. show-watchr Says:

    dear jon,
    apparently, they don’tr like real life here. deal with it. lol

  109. show-watchr Says:

    YOu folks otta be posting at the chief’s wbesitel. that’s not real either.

  110. rhl17 Says:

    It is clear what “show” show-watchr watches. Jerry Springer comes to mind. The same logic, or lack thereof, and hostility.

  111. ddlew Says:

    Jonathan,

    If Barack Obama were cleared of any allegations in court, I could accept that. I’m all for the rule of law.

    Admittedly, if he were to prevail on a technicality (like when he had 3 candidates removed from the ballot in his first campaign) I would not be satisfied with the result.

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  113. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    I think I hear a bug rubbing his legs together in the background….
    nawww it’s peaceful and quiet here when you tune out the pesty noise

  114. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    ddlew,

    IF, that happened,…. I wouldn’t be completely happy as I do think that man is hiding many many things……. but I would let the subject drop and just be watchful

  115. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Ddlew – I agree with you. If he is proven to be eligible to be president – it is over. I will work hard to pay attention to what he is doing, voice my opinion when disagree and do my best to get him out of office in ’12. Obama should want to put this issue to rest – the fact that he doesn’t causes me to wonder what he is hiding. I, too, hope that he doesn’t get off on a technicality. I want this issue resolved cleanly.

  116. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    thinkingmom would you considered the case resolved if no court finds merit in hearing it?

  117. hockeyfan530 Says:

    unless he proves his eligibility I won’t be satisfied. But I’m not sure the birth certificate alone can do that because of the Indonesian citizenship. However, at that point I believe there would have to be concrete proof of that before Obama should answer. So there would always be doubt on that issue. But the birth certificate could put at least that to rest

  118. thinkingmom11 Says:

    I would probably have to accept that BO will be president BUT I think the courts are going to HAVE to address this issue at some point. They are going to have to decide exactly what a “natural born citizen” is. It is vague at best in the Constitution and with our “melting pot,” highly mobile society this is an issure that might just come up again.

  119. thinkingmom11 Says:

    I do think he MUST provide his birth certificate. If he doesn’t, he is leaving the door open to all of this speculation.

  120. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    I think the issue is resolved.

    The birthcertificate his campaign has will be enough for the courts. I dont see any of this going to trial.

  121. rosettasister Says:

    sorry about the avatar thing

    will try and fix that

  122. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Jon – methinks you are too easily satified 😉

  123. thinkingmom11 Says:

    BTW, Jon – how does the fact that he campaigned prove anything?

  124. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    If his mom wasnt an american I would have much more interest. But he was born to an American mom laws on the book make him Natural born where ever the birth took place.

    I think the Hawii copy is fine but even if there is an issue with it the point is moot with his mom he could of been born anywhere in the world.

    My 2 cents.

  125. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    The certificate on factcheck that many say is a fake. His campaign has that. That was what I was saying..the hawaii certificate at his campaign.

  126. thinkingmom11 Says:

    I just really find it ironic that he criticized the Bush administration for being too secretive/not open enough but he turns around and is not willing to show HIS EMPLOYERS his credentials. Most of us have a BC and are willing to show it when asked. I had to show my son’s BC for him to play Pop Warner football. I did it because they had authority and they asked. Period. We the people are Obama’s boss – whether or not he thinks so. We are asking for it. He should show it. What is so hard about that?

  127. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    Which he did in June. People asked for it he showed it.

    Now people are claiming it is a fake or not enough that goes beyond just showing it.

  128. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Too many things that don’t add up

    1. Birth issue (aka adoption, citizenship)?
    2. Logan act, Did he help/ give money to influence the Kenyan politics?
    3. Did he use a new means of swaying the vote by use of the internet, blocking, hacking those sites, make those sites look tin foil hat while he stood on his soap box? What about the admitted 3.1 million volenteers who helped to get him elected by any means.
    4. An admitted former drug user while in one college, all of a sudden had the money to go to Harvard law school?
    5. Questionable friends?
    on and on and on.

  129. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    jon,

    We have good reason to question factcheck’s motives ..
    Plus I would have to double check but I think there is something with the wording too,

  130. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    issue 4 specifically

    Part of the speculation on why he is not releasing his Columbia transcript is it would open up more questions on how he got to harvard. Obama admitted that he benefited from affarmitive action in college I think that has a lot to do with getting him in Harvard and paying for a lot of it where you got to admit he did very very well.

  131. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    So would that not be up to one of the court cases to prove the certificate is not valid?

    My point was he has produced a certificate of birth the burden now is on the side that wants to claim it a fake or incomplete.

  132. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    I am one of the admitted 3.1 million also.

    I did not hack any website.

  133. Cyndi Says:

    Good Mid-Morning All!

  134. thinkingmom11 Says:

    If you are showing documentation that is expected to PROVE something it must provide a LEGITIMET document. THat just makes sense. Now, I will state again, I thought at first this was a crazy theory until I looked into it more. There have been several “experts” who have made some pretty credible, extremely persuasive arguements that the doc is a forgery. Now, I know you will say that I am taking the word of someone over the internet – someone I don’t know anything about – and I will agree to that but will counter that you are doing the same with factcheck.org.

    Now, what is your stance if the “BC” is determined to indeed be a fake, would you insist that he show his real one? Would you even wonder what he had to hide?

    I believe he was a dual citizen at the time of birth and I think that is a problem.

  135. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    hello Cyndi

  136. hockeyfan530 Says:

    isn’t it also possible that the affirmative action he is referring to is that he was registered as a fereigner, an Indonesian citizen?

    I do agree that someone needs to prove the bc fake. But it’s a copy posted on a website. So is it possible without the actual birth certificate?

  137. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    thinkingmom11 Says:

    November 20, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    There have been several “experts” who have made some pretty credible, extremely persuasive arguements that the doc is a forgery. Now, I know you will say that I am taking the word of someone over the internet – someone I don’t know anything about – and I will agree to that but will counter that you are doing the same with factcheck.org

    ——————————–

    It will be up to our courts to decide if those “experts” have any merit. I personal think they dont but the courts have the information we will see how they decide.

    If his birth certificate is a fake which is a huge if in my book. Of course I will want to see the valuted copy and take a giant step back. I am not sure if that would result in perjury but providing a fake document seems like grounds for impeachment to me. As far as the courts though Obama would still be eligable due to his moms citizenship at time of birth.

  138. Tenacity Says:

    To all my friends,
    If you want to defeat a reactive person and you don’t have the power to show them the door, you take them out of the center of attention. RS said earlier, stop engaging them. You are not only wasting your breath, but you continue to put them in the center of attention. Put your time and energy toward the production of the team…that is pro-active. Let those who have ears listen. Leave the reactive and those with blinders to squander with self.

    I’m off to work…

  139. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Jon – in order for the other side to proven the document is forged they would have to get their hands on it, which as far as I know, he has refused to do. The opposing side would have to see the original BC, which he has refused to release. So how do we play this game if BO doesn’t let loose of any of the playing pieces.

    Does anyone think that we could get a job if they required certain information, and we refused to give it to them? We would have the door slammed in our faces. This man is only running for president – not being installed as ruler of all. He is still a mere citizen applying for a job. Nothing more.

  140. hockeyfan530 Says:

    that’s foreigner not fereigner…I don’t even know what a fereigner is

  141. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    hockey fan

    Someone at factcheck touched and photographed it. Others have seen it. It does exist outside the website and if hte courts request it I think Obama will and should provide it to them to review.

  142. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Tenacity – we did stop engaging show – I like talking with Jon – most of the time. 🙂

  143. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Thing is, I pondered over and over

    He had the Money and the means, why not “make” a legitimate BC, before he went into polital office….
    That is speaking from the view point that it is indeed 100% fake and he is hiding something.

  144. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    It is what he obtained a passport with along with other things throughout his life he has provided it as proof of citizenship.

    If you see my other comment mom I do think he will and should provide it if and when it is requested by a court.

  145. hockeyfan530 Says:

    factcheck may be biased and touching it and even photographing doesn’t prove it isn’t forged. Unless they had an expert do an analysis on it. I don’t think they did….I could be wrong

  146. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    The campaign has it hockeyfan was my point. It is out there in the world not just a photo in cyberspace.

  147. hockeyfan530 Says:

    i doubt anyone that had no reason to question the bc would.

    So the burden of proof that it’s a forgery would definitely be on those bringing up the cases. So what they should do is debunk the website one or the factcheck one and then he would have to show the REAL one

  148. tucker822 Says:

    factcheck is funded by annenberg. Take that for what it’s worth. The BC isn’t even the question. It’s his dual citizenship that is the problem here.

  149. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    hockeyfan530 Says:

    November 20, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    So the burden of proof that it’s a forgery would definitely be on those bringing up the cases.

    ———————–

    I agree with you a 100%

  150. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Ok – I have to go. I will be back in several hours. Sorry to leave such a lively conversation…You all have a great day and PLAY NICE!

  151. Mia Says:

    Hello. I left a post early this morning, asking for opinions on why the Republicans have not talked more about the court cases against Obama, and the various other issues like API and his Selective Service registration, but no one has responded. I thought maybe since it was delayed in moderation that maybe it just got lost in the shuffle. Or maybe no one wants to respond.

    I don’t want to be a pest, but I have to get to work soon, and won’t be able to follow any responses then, so I wanted to bring it up again.

    If anyone has any thoughts on the silence by the Republicans (with a few notable exceptions), please do share. And if no one responds now, I’ll just take the hint and drop it.

    Thanks.

  152. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    Tucker how can a parent denounce or force citizenship on a child? If that is the case wasnt McCain unqualified also?

  153. rosettasister Says:

    Mia Says:
    November 20, 2008 at 4:50 pm

    Hello. I left a post early this morning, asking for opinions on why the Republicans have not talked more about the court cases against Obama, and the various other issues like API and his Selective Service registration

    ——————-

    Hi Mia!

    Maybe they just don’t believe anything will come of it.

    Or maybe they just want to move pn.

    Rose

  154. hockeyfan530 Says:

    McCain’s parents were on a military base which is considered American like an American embassy overseas

  155. hockeyfan530 Says:

    but hey, I’ll give you McCain isn’t eligible if you’ll give me Obama isn’t eligible…LOL

  156. hockeyfan530 Says:

    because all of this could be just a red herring. If Obama does have a valid bc and the republicans push the issue they would look very stupid. They’ll just let others look stupid if it ends up being nothing at all

  157. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    I had read that in some cases when children are born on military bases while be considered us natural born they are granted dual citizenship. Perhaps I was wrong on that.

  158. hockeyfan530 Says:

    didn’t Obama cosponsor a law or something that would make McCain eligible? But in that law or whatever they also added something about citizenship that would only benefit Obama if what is being said about him currently is true and that’s why it didn’t pass?

  159. hockeyfan530 Says:

    esq, i could be wrong also but i was in the military and i think i remembered hearing that when over in germany

  160. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    Obama was born in Hawaii to a American mother. McCain was born to americans on a us military base.

    I will give eligibility to them both as “natural born”

  161. Emilio Says:

    The next time I go to US, I will take Farah advice: http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81347

  162. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    Washington post article on the bill Obama co-sponsered making sure McCain was eligible.

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2008/04/citizen_mccain_contd.html

  163. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    jonathanwrightesq

    Think about it….. when a foriegn child is adopted by americans the preoces of the adoption alone denounces the foreign citizenship..vise vera would also apply.

    So if we are correct, that Obama was adopted by his step father then he could of lost his US citizenship.

    If he wasn’t adopted then with his father a non US citizen He held Kenyan Citizenship there and dual here……
    Either way is not “natural”

  164. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    cindy,

    has any official documentation be shown that Obama was adopted? Everything I read was his stepfather claimed him to be a citizen so he could be schooled..nothing offical was in place.

    A father can not denouce a childs citizenship.

  165. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    sorry,. hate trying to type and be on the phone at the same time… lol forgive the typo’s

  166. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    jonathanwrightesq

    Everytime you look at it, it doesn’t add up, too many twist to the story.
    We only want the truth to come out and settle this once and for all.

    OB himself said he used to have dual citizenship on his site….
    We can only project and debate what we think is the truth because it is not provided by the one who could easily clear this while thing up.

  167. hockeyfan530 Says:

    other than the statement on the school registration that said he was an Indonesian citizen. Which isn’t adoption but it certainly begs to be investigated. Indonesia at that time was a police state. I don’t think it would be as simple as simply claiming Barry was his son. Again, the proof is on us not on Obama. I would think it’s kind of impossible to prove you weren’t adopted.

  168. Mia Says:

    Hi Rose and HockeyFan,

    Thank you for bringing me in from the cold!

    ——————–
    Maybe they just don’t believe anything will come of it.

    Or maybe they just want to move on.

    And…

    because all of this could be just a red herring.

    ——————-

    That’s what I thought at first also, but it just makes less and less sense to me now. Especially now that two cases (out of how many? The last count I heard was 17 cases across the country) are going before the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court picks and chooses what cases they will hear, so someone must think it’s more than an internet rumor.

    If nothing else, why wouldn’t they explain why this is a non-issue, and then re-focus their audience’s attention on “real” issues?

    Also, there were plenty of mainstream news stories about the lawsuits challenging McCain’s eligibility. As I remember now, not one attacked McCain or questioned his patriotism; they focused more on the procedural and constitutional aspects. But Obama’s cases have not even gotten that far in the media.

    My worst suspicion is that the Republicans also have something up their sleeves, and therefore want to discourage attention to the matter to avoid scrutiny of their part as well. But what could that be? I know they don’t like McCain, but would they go so far just to keep McCain out of office?

    And what about Drudge? He had a link to the Alan Keyes story – but only very briefly. Other links stay up for a couple days.

    I’ve spoken to friends and family about this, and most agree that it’s just a non-issue. For some reason I can’t shake the feeling that there’s more to it.

    Maybe I’m just stuck in the Twilight Zone!

  169. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    Dual citizenship does not disqualify you from being president. Obama never denounced his US citizenship and his stepfather could not do that for him.

    What doesnt add up? He was born in Hawaii and a natural citizen. That is all that is required.

  170. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    hockeyfan530

    I brought this up before, I was adopted by my step-father.. I have my original long form BC from my birth but I also have my orginal long form BC from my Adoption….
    My adoption was handled like both by parents adopted me, so the orginal is court sealed.

    So this is also plausable, that he has access to two BC’s

  171. hockeyfan530 Says:

    We know for a fact that he was born with dual citizenship. I don’t know enough about the constitution to argue whether or not that disqualifies him or not. So some smart lawyer type has to field that one. I know that Obama used the 14th amendment to support his case but the 14th amendent doesn’t deal with the meaning of the 2nd amendment.

  172. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside…

    Article 2 specifically addresses that to be eligible for PoTUS, you must be at least 35 years old, resided in this country for at least 14 years, and be a “natural born citizen” (or a citizen at the time of adoption of the Constitution, which no one alive today could claim).

    The 14th Amendment only refers to requirements to be a citizen, and the protections and rights such citizenship offers.

    Dual citizenship is not recognized by Article 2, Section 1, only one who is a “natural born citizen”, providing all other conditions are equally met, is eligible to run for and/or hold the office of PoTUS.

  173. sliderblaze Says:

    what up people

  174. hockeyfan530 Says:

    my point was that if Obama was not adopted he couldn’t prove he wasn’t adopted. Thus we have to prove he WAS adopted.

    Is your original bc sealed even from you now that you are old enough? in other words is it permanently sealed from everyone?

  175. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    sliderblaze

    lol…..lively debate on the BC, dual citizenship issue

  176. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    Seeing it is not addressed in the constitution someone would have to argue by vitrue of dual citizenship you are no longer a natural born citizen.

    I do not see that happening.

  177. sliderblaze Says:

    oOo, sounds, debatingful

  178. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    Hawaii law is clear the long form is sealed and opened only for the person and family.

  179. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    hockeyfan530

    I would have to go through the courts just like a “placed” adopted child to get my original BC

  180. sliderblaze Says:

    yes ESQ, but will the courts Order him to do it? It seems to me, that if someone chooses to run for president, they announce their own candidacy, the burden of proof should be on THAT candidacy. Just like if applied for a job, the burden of proof to produce my ss# and id is on me.

  181. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    laughing at the Black Widow spider reference in my email

  182. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    He has a certificate. The burden of proof now lies on ones questioning it to prove why it is invalid or not enough.

    Obama did what was required.

  183. hockeyfan530 Says:

    slider i agree that obama should be responsible for providing the bc but we would then be responsible for debunking it.

    and by we i mean other people of course

  184. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    read back up slider..we have been through that part of this circle already.

  185. sliderblaze Says:

    seem show-watcher got the shallow end of the mud puddle gene pool

  186. hockeyfan530 Says:

    what someone needs to do is go to obama’s campaign and prove that one false. I think the one on his website was proven to be false. Not sure by whom. But if it was proven to be false then there certainly is an issue here. Why would one have to forge a bc?

  187. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    jonathanwrightesq

    You are taking something as fact,… you think it is a “fact” that he was born in Hawaii so everything else is mute.

    We question the so called “facts”

  188. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    it was alleged false by many but so far noone has proven a thing.

  189. sliderblaze Says:

    jonathanwrightesq Says:
    November 20, 2008 at 5:33 pm

    He has a certificate. The burden of proof now lies on ones questioning it to prove why it is invalid or not enough.

    Obama did what was required.

    ——————————————————————————–
    you just said that…..
    i’m talking about the one that is SEALED, supposidly never seen by the public.

    so if it was not seen by the public, how can it be on the website. i went through my cert. of birth, i have a 3 pager with my foot prints on it, and i have on i carry in my wallet.

  190. sliderblaze Says:

    not sure how they do it in hawaii but my long form one is glossy

  191. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    Cindy

    This is why I say this issue talks in circles. Him having a forged birth certificate and being born in Kenya is a different issue than him having dual citizenship.

    He has a certificate of birth showing a hawaiin birth. I said if..and that is the biggest IF in the world to me someone is able to prove that document is false or forged I will jump right on the bandwagon with you guys. I see zero chances of that happening in any of these court cases.

  192. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    The requirement by the state department on his birth has been met with the short form (or whatever it is called) that he has given.

    That is why the issue is a dead issue to me.

  193. tucker822 Says:

    I never said his mother renounced his citizenship nor did I bring that up. I’m talking about being both a UK and US citizen. Cannot have dual citizenship to run for prez.

  194. dixieinflorida Says:

    Well show might be right about one thing. Here is a week of ads from the Washington Times and Bergs ad is not listed.

    http://www.print2webcorp.com/marketplace/washingtontimes/main/AdvancedSearch.aspx?l1=&l2=&Categories=&r=4&keys=obama&search.x=27&search.y=10&t=1&op=0&em=

    If it just shows you a search link then type in obama and last 7 days then search

  195. rosettasister Says:

    Mia Says:
    November 20, 2008 at 5:19 pm

    Maybe I’m just stuck in the Twilight Zone!

    ————————–

    That may be the case, Mia.

    But if so, what took you so long in getting here!

    I really don’t know and am not even thinking along those terms.

    I’ve been resigned to an Obama presidency since election night.

    I thought airing all of his dirty laundry would be just the ticket to diminish his power to a degree.

    For me the big test will be Iraq, but if you listen to end of Christopher Hitchens interview above, Obama’s dumb luck may just have gotten him off the hook on that one too.

    But as you can see, there are a variety of opinions here as well.

    Rose

  196. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    You are wrong tucker.

    Show me where that says that in requirement to be pres.

  197. hockeyfan530 Says:

    there are a lot of issues here. But a court doesn’t have to prove it false. The proof is on the plaintiff. Didn’t a guy from homeland security prove the one on the website false?

  198. sliderblaze Says:

    aaahhhh ESQ, obviously the courts seen it as just ‘grasping for straws’ or ‘the biggest ‘if’ in the world. They longer it draws out, the better it is for “our” side of the equation. The more people seem to duck, delay, and hide, the more likely they are guilty of something

  199. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    We just smell smoke and know there is a fire somewhere….
    we are just looking to see where.

  200. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    If the courts come up with something slider I am right with you but so far zip and I see nothing changing. Nothing being ducked or hid why would Obama waste a second with a friviolous lawsuit.

  201. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    hockeyfan530 Says:

    November 20, 2008 at 5:42 pm
    there are a lot of issues here. But a court doesn’t have to prove it false. The proof is on the plaintiff.
    ——————————————

    Did Obama file the case? The proof is on Berg and his lot. The court determines if what berg has is of any merit.

  202. sliderblaze Says:

    well ESQ, it’s good that we have people who are skeptical of people in this world. Did you also take the forgery of Bushes “memo-gate” at face value?

    good thing we didnt or Kerry may have been president so, Democrats have forged documents, is not unprecidented

  203. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    Prove it forged and I am with you he should not be pres if he is producing forged documents.

    As of now I see no proof of it being forged.

  204. sliderblaze Says:

    couple that with the suspiciuos sss form…..leads me to believe, questions remain

  205. Cyndi Says:

    Celente says that by 2012 America will become an undeveloped nation, that there will be a revolution marked by food riots, squatter rebellions, tax revolts and job marches, and that holidays will be more about obtaining food, not gifts.

    http://www.thecitizen.com/~citizen0/node/33267

    So sad!!

  206. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    Berg also claimed bush was behind 9/11 was he able to prove anything on that?

    Since there was smoke around 9/11 should I assume fire and berg was onto something?

  207. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    jonathanwrightesq

    why would Obama waste a second with a friviolous lawsuit??
    ___________
    Why would he waste good money to pay lawyers to fight anyone who wants to see it??…..
    Even Burg said he would completely drop the case if any varified documents were submitted.

  208. sliderblaze Says:

    ah yes, i’ll brb

  209. hockeyfan530 Says:

    cindy,
    yep, that’s what i kept telling my friends. There is a lot of smoke surrounding this guy. And not just over the eligibility. When you have as many anti-american associations as obama does that’s enough smoke for me! But those issues are gone. So all we have left is the smoke around his citizenship. For any other candidate in history the associations would have made him unelectable…but this time, thanks to the MSM and the people behind the suit that is Obama, it didn’t happen as it would have in the past

  210. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    What is he doing fighting it? I have seen nothing cindy.

  211. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    Slider I had enough reasons not to vote bush I did not need any alleged document from his past saying he was a jerk off.

  212. hockeyfan530 Says:

    esq,
    Obama and the DNC have lawyers telling the court Berg, or whoever else, doesn’t have standing. Then they have to do it over each time. Granted it’s not Obama’s money so he doesn’t care…but it’s still suspicious

  213. sliderblaze Says:

    well, if you are trying to discredit berg cus he believed something that didnt pan out, then i guess you should hold Obama to the same standard for not believing the surge would work, was working and has worked?

    I’m tired of you people trying to discredit people for one thing when you dont agree with them, and giving others a pass when they f*@k up but, it’s ok cus you agree with them

    remember

    intellectual honesty

  214. Cyndi Says:

    The thing that is really annoying is that Obama sent his lawyers to California to get a judge to unseal his Senate opponants divorce records. Ryan was way ahead at the time and that basically gave Obama the US Senate seat. The argument for releasing them was the publics right to know.
    Yet now we the public apparently do not have the right to know because the shoe is on the other foot.

  215. sliderblaze Says:

    just like Obama has giving me tons of reason on shifing policy, shady pasts and allignces to know that he is a JERK OFF

  216. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    jonathanwrightesq

    The only way Bush was involved in 9/11 is if Inteligence even told him of threats of an attack….Then it was only neglect in worst case ….

    But they get many reports, and they didn’t take it seriously enough…
    shame on them.
    Why Homeland Security was formed to investigate throughly any possible threat.

  217. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    He is saying he is not responding to a supreme court filing. Not really fighting it off tooth and nail… Just basics.

  218. sliderblaze Says:

    Hes Cindi, we’ll just start calling obama a jerk off for now on.

    it’s like debating an 11 yr old, totally bneth me but, i stood to levels every now and again, it’s fun

  219. sliderblaze Says:

    brb, switching out kboards

  220. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    jonathanwrightesq

    huh??,….. court docs, prove they filed and tried to halt the original court case with Burg…….

  221. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    saying it had no merit.

    That is basics.

  222. tucker822 Says:

    In order to be able to run for president, one must be a natural born citizen. Having a dual citizenship negates this because the prez has to take an oath of allegiance to the US and cannot do so having a dual citizenship.

    So according to the Constitution, which explicitly and unambiguously uses with the term “natural born” when referring to qualifications for someone to be the US president, no, a US president cannot have dual citizenship. They must have that singular allegiance that can only be derived from having been born of US soil – “born here”. It comes down to allegiance.

  223. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    I dont think bush was involved in 9/11 cindy. Berg does. The guy is a loon.

  224. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    Why cant you take a oath of alligence if you are dual citizen? Or in Obamas case were at one time?

  225. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    jonathanwrightesq

    Would you get tired of hearing about something that is a non issue?…

    Wouldn’t you just for the sake of shutting people up about it, just show how wrong they are?.

    Ob doesn’t do anything but let lawyers handle it.. Just doesn’t make him look innocent in my opinoin

  226. hockeyfan530 Says:

    esq,
    Serious question. The election is over but it doesn’t matter just curious

    Obama was asked about:
    1) Rezko. He said nothing illegal happened. When the Wright thing came out Obama ran to the Chicago paper and told them there was more to it than previously mentioned.

    2) Wright. He said he couldn’t disavow his preacher. He was like family for 20 years. Finally he disowned Wright when it was politically necessary. How could he know a man for 20 years like family and not know what he believes? He’s either really naiive or he lied….and i don’t think he’s naiive

    3) Kahlid. He’s just a guy in the neighborhood. A man I’ve spoken with. The truth is they had many dinners together with their wives. Obama even stating that his eyes were opened by those talks. They babysitted one anothers children. Obama gave him a farewell speech at his dinner party. He gave money to Kahlid’s organization via the foundation he was on with Ayers. That certainly is more than a guy in the neighborhood.

    4) Ayers. First just a guy in the neighborhood. Then Obama didn’t know what Ayers did at the time. Then he thought Ayers was rehabbed. Which is it? They all contradict one another. Why would Ayers have a fund raiser for him at his home if they didn’t know one another and share some common beliefs?

    5) ACORN. He said he only represented them once. Well, that ended up being false as well per his own website. He also held training classes for ACORN. Involved in the get the vote out thing via ACORN as well and gave ACORN over $800k

    Now those are 5,F-I-V-E, blatant lies. My thought was that is enough. I could care less what he says about the issues. He has proven to me he couldn’t be trusted.

    I’m not trying to argue with you but really would like to know what you thought about these things….seriously, not trying to be offensive…just curious

  227. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    Slider..

    That was what the faked documents were showing on Bush that he was a screw up during his time of service. That is why I said I did not need documents saying he was a jerk off when he was in the guard his policy was enough for me.

    I would never call the pres a jerk off.

  228. Mia Says:

    Rose,

    I get the feeling I’m the only one thinking along these lines. Oh well. Time will tell about alot of things, eh?

    I love your name. And I love roses. I even named my daughter Rose. When I was little, I used to say that if I was ever President, I’d make it a law that everyone had to plant roses in their front yards! (When ignorance was bliss…)

    And thank you so much for your cyber-hospitality. I’ve actually visited a few times from links at Larry Sinclair’s Blog, but never posted before. Never had anything to add! But I always appreciated your insight.

    Mia

  229. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    jonathanwrightesq
    well,……… I can’t call you on that one…….. Burg and Martin are a few slices short of a loaf.

    We only follow the cases hoping for media attention…or dumb luck

  230. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    No Cindy he proved he was born in Hawaii. There is no additional test for him.

  231. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    Acorn doesnt scare me. His associations dont scare me.

    Sorry think what you want of ayers and wright and down the line. Just nothing there to me…

  232. sliderblaze Says:

    ESQ

    second video down, im not using the first video cus frankly, i dont know too much about it

    but the second one down is what gave me the most suspicion because a boss seal is a hard thing to duplicate, i scanned my own bc and found that the seal was easy to read when i contrasted it. Obamas look likes its just a series of lines where the leteriing should be. The guy actually uses another hawaii bc as reference to what the embossed seal should read and look like

  233. hockeyfan530 Says:

    esq,
    is that your answer to my long question?

  234. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    You did not post a video slider.

    I know you guys dont believe factcheck but the pictures on that site show clearly the raised seal.

  235. Troy Says:

    jonathanwrightesq Says:

    November 20, 2008 at 6:01 pm
    Why cant you take a oath of alligence if you are dual citizen? Or in Obamas case were at one time?
    ————————————————————-
    http://www.blogtext.org/naturalborncitizen/

  236. tucker822 Says:

    I’ll guess we’ll all find out with the 17 or so lawsuits against Obama to produce proof of his eligibility will be decided. Until then, arguments for or against are moot.

  237. sliderblaze Says:

    http://storyreportscomments.blogspot.com/2008/11/now-there-can-be-no-doubt-as-to-fact.html

    it’s the keyboard, im having issues

    yes it shows a seal but, watch the vid, you’ll “see”

    second vid down

  238. dixieinflorida Says:

    THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT HAS SCHEDULED FOR FULL CONFERENCE, LEO DONOFRIO’S NJ CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING THE ELIGIBILITY OF MULTIPLE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION CANDIDATES, INCLUDING BARACK OBAMA.

    Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Nov 3 2008 Application (08A407) for stay pending the filing and disposition of a petition for a writ of certiorari, submitted to Justice Souter.
    Nov 6 2008 Application (08A407) denied by Justice Souter.
    Nov 14 2008 Application (08A407) refiled and submitted to Justice Thomas.

    Nov 19 2008 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of December 5, 2008.

    http://community.marketwatch.com/groups/us-politics/topics/holy-buckets-scotus-hear-obama
    *************************
    When I ran Bergs case number on the SCOTUS docket it showed nothing

  239. Troy Says:

    jonathanwrightesq Says:

    November 20, 2008 at 6:10 pm
    You did not post a video slider.

    I know you guys dont believe factcheck but the pictures on that site show clearly the raised seal.

    ————————————————————-
    It could have ten raised seals and delivered to the courthouse by little angels with golden harps and it wouldn’t matter

    http://www.blogtext.org/naturalborncitizen/

  240. dixieinflorida Says:

    jonathanwrightesq Says:
    November 20, 2008 at 6:10 pm

    You did not post a video slider.

    I know you guys dont believe factcheck but the pictures on that site show clearly the raised seal.
    ***************
    I certainly don’t believe anything factcheck says about Obama as most of us know they are in the tank with him

  241. Troy Says:

    Roseetta,
    Can you get me out of MODERATION hell?…Thanks

  242. sliderblaze Says:

    of course links arent posting…..lol

  243. hockeyfan530 Says:

    esq,
    If the fact that ACORN and his associations don’t matter to you I’ll give you that. Although they should raise a little suspicion because all of them but maybe Rezko is anti-american. Not to mention all of the associatiions he was never asked about. But i do understand that they don’t matter. I’ll concede that they don’t matter to YOU.

    However, and this is the big point, it’s not the associations it’s the lies about them. If the associations don’t matter why lie? And how many times does someone have to lie to you before you think…hey, somethings not right here?

  244. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    It was an answer to your long question. I am not going to dive itno who he had dinner with who watched his kids for an hour and down the line…

    McCain spoke at a Acorn event I wont hold it against him either.

  245. Troy Says:

    Slider,
    I have posted the links to answer ESQ’s questions, but they are in moderation

  246. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    Yes factcheck is bed with Obama….. sooooo we can not even look at that raised seal and therefore there most not be a raised seal…. and down the line.

    Get back to me when on of the cases comes up with one shred of evidence to show his certificate is fake.

  247. sliderblaze Says:

    ESQ, it’s a raised seal alright, but, there are no words on the seal when you do a light contrast, once it’s outta moderation hell, take a look, then let me know

  248. hockeyfan530 Says:

    esq,
    the pictures i saw you couldn’t read the bc. But you are right, someone needs to prove it fake.

  249. sliderblaze Says:

    ok, scroll back up, and take a look, like i said, i couldnt read me seal either, till i scanned it, contrasted it, and it was legable

  250. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    jonathanwrightesq

    Factcheck didn’t even mentions Bidens many goofs…… How about OB saying he has been busy visiting all 57 states? or the many many things they left off of factcheck during debates…… IF it was about OB…

    McCain/Palin on the other hand… even a stutter was mentioned…

  251. dixieinflorida Says:

    Rosetta put the whiskey bottle down *just kidding* and get us out of moderation hell

  252. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    Okay lets take one of your issues.

    Wright. Yes he was in his church for 20 years, was married by him, stood behind him. When and only after that point that Wright continued to make divisive comments Obama said enough. Yes it was a political move as everything in campaigns are but Rev Wright went over the line and Obama did the correct thing.

  253. sliderblaze Says:

    my sister tammy sent me to that site, after she finally did some digging on the BC issue since i gave her hell for voting for obama (she’s a celebrity make up artist, go figure she’s be ill informed)

  254. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    Did we need a factcheck on 57 states?

    Biden is a gaffee machine pretty sure everyone knows that. I would of perfererred another vp but I did not get input.

  255. Troy Says:

    A simple fact is that an electronic image on a computer screen infront of you isn’t a birth certificate….It’s an image…A document that you can hold in your hand and inspect is what is required

  256. hockeyfan530 Says:

    Wright, but that doesn’t explain his comment that he didn’t know Wright had those beliefs. PLUS, being in the church is bad judgement. Oprah got out of the church

  257. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Factcheck like the MSM is supposted to be our watchdogs…..
    they failed miserabily during this election.

    selective reporting, I lost faith in both..

  258. sliderblaze Says:

    ESQ, yes, after 20 yrs, lol, thats the weakest point i think you made yet. I mean, even oprah had the presence of mind to leave that church

  259. Troy Says:

    ESQ,
    This will answer your earlier question.

    http://www.blogtext.org/naturalborncitizen/

  260. sliderblaze Says:

    watch the vid yet my man?

  261. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    jonathanwrightesq

    Factcheck didn’t spoof the many times OB contridicted his own policies..
    You tube has many of those instances if you didn’t catch it first hand

  262. Troy Says:

    Slider,
    Our links are posting, but they are delayed….Scroll up and they have been posted
    ————————————————————-
    Esq,
    Scroll up to my link and it will answer your earlier questions

  263. Mia Says:

    jonathanwrightesq:

    Prove it forged and I am with you he should not be pres if he is producing forged documents.

    As of now I see no proof of it being forged.

    —————————-

    Sincere question here: How? What would be the proper procedure or protocol or course of action for proving such claims?

    I’m really not being a smartass or playing dumb. It just seems to me that many people have tried to prove that the birth certificate was forged, and now there are claims that his officially released Selective Service registration is a forgery; What would make these claims definitive? Or, conversely, prove them wrong?

    I would think the most definitive “proof” would be determined in a court of law.

    (I’m directing this to you for a couple reasons: 1 – the “esq” indicates a legal background, and 2 – as one who does not accept the docs as forgeries, I’m wondering what would be acceptable to you, and therefore others.)

    Thanks.

  264. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    sliderblaze
    yes but even Oprah didn’t leave the church for 2 years…Until she worried about how it would effect her career.

    I am not a church goer… I believe in God,
    But I wouldn’t stay in any church or expose my children to hate speeches from Wright ……. God isn’t about hate, he is about faith….. and finding your own…..

  265. rosettasister Says:

    Latest from API as far as I can tell:

    http://africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/11/20/between-now-1026-to-1526-norwegian-time-all-comments-will-be-held-in-moderation/

    From a friend:

    Its Real I have spoken to K twice, once last night and again about 45 min ago.

    Its on the Up n up, wordpress apologized to him after finding that it was bogus –

    the lies and that he was ok.

    Mountain Sage failed LOL

  266. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    You are asking someone who is an atheist to defend a preacher which is hard 99% of what preachers say is garbage to me.

    Wrights anger does come from someplace Obama speaking on race made it clear that we are moving beyond that but to move beyond you still must understand where that anger comes from.

  267. sliderblaze Says:

    so, if anyone has doubts about that vid, get out ur bc, scan it and contrast it….how contrast works, me being an artist, concept. when you have raised letters on paper, you cant read cus there is not enough shadowing around the letters to make out what they say. as you create shadow with the contrast, it defines the Edges around the raised paper, therefor, creating definitive lines so one can read what the raised portion is.

  268. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    Sincere question here: How? What would be the proper procedure or protocol or course of action for proving such claims?

    I’m really not being a smartass or playing dumb. It just seems to me that many people have tried to prove that the birth certificate was forged, and now there are claims that his officially released Selective Service registration is a forgery; What would make these claims definitive? Or, conversely, prove them wrong?

    I would think the most definitive “proof” would be determined in a court of law.
    ————————-

    He went through a background check for US senate has a US passport and down the line. The Birth certificate would of been provided on more than one occassion. The state department is not asking for it lawyers are the burden of proof is on them why a document that has been accepted might be forged.

    Waiting for the video to load.

  269. dixieinflorida Says:

    rosettasister Says:
    November 20, 2008 at 6:34 pm

    Latest from API as far as I can tell:

    From a friend:

    Its Real I have spoken to K twice, once last night and again about 45 min ago.

    Its on the Up n up, wordpress apologized to him after finding that it was bogus –

    the lies and that he was ok.

    Mountain Sage failed LOL
    ********************
    What’s real?

  270. hockeyfan530 Says:

    slider, yeah that’s rich….WOW

    have you had that discussion about obama’s associations/lies with O. supporters? It’s mind boggling. Even IF they don’t matter how can they look past the lies about those associations. IT’S the lying people.

    Again, it was frustrating before the election but now it’s just funny/sad

  271. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    The questions on that version have be debunked.

    circles and circles.

  272. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    jonathanwrightesq

    86% of american’s have some kind of belief …….. 14% with maybe 5% of that population has screamed loud enough for their rights that Gov has disrespected the majority…

  273. rosettasister Says:

    dixieinflorida Says:
    November 20, 2008 at 6:40 pm

    What’s real?

    ———————–
    The link I provided above

    Some (not here) were questioning if it was legit

    Perhaps I am the last to know

  274. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    I just said personally its hard for me to defend any preacher.

    Let me take another approach people like Dwight Eisenhower, Herbert Hoover, General Douglass MacArthur and so on down the line have criticized the bombing of Hiroshima. Rev wright doing so from a black mans perspective should not be labeled differently….

  275. hockeyfan530 Says:

    esq,
    your not answering the question. I’ll concede that you don’t care about why Obama stayed in the church. That’s fine. But you can’t honestly believe that Obama didn’t know what Wright believed. Again, it’s the lie about the associations not the associations.

    How many times does someone have to lie for you to say something is not right? again no offense.

  276. Gary Says:

    jonathanwrightesq Says:
    November 20, 2008 at 6:23 pm

    Okay lets take one of your issues.

    Wright. Yes he was in his church for 20 years, was married by him, stood behind him. When and only after that point that Wright continued to make divisive comments Obama said enough. Yes it was a political move as everything in campaigns are but Rev Wright went over the line and Obama did the correct thing.

    I disagree, the right thing would have been to leave that church 19 years ago. The hate didn’t just start, Wright has been spewing the same thing for 20yrs. Obama deciding to be PC 20 years late is enough to sooth only the simplest of minds.

    P.S. If he didn’t run for Pres, he would still be a member of that church!!!!

  277. Troy Says:

    Esq,
    Do what the last words of a drowing atheist are?….As the last wave is crashing over his head and all breath is gone, as he is about to go under for the very last time, he will yell out, “God help me”!!!….It’s a relex that can not be stopped….I wonder why that is?

  278. sliderblaze Says:

    first of all, the most over used work this election is…..drum roll, DEBUNKED

    i also heard that william ayers and obama being friends was debunked….
    and that, obama having communist ties was debunked….
    and that obama hearing what Wright has been saying for 20 years had been
    wait for it, debunked
    apparently the lasted is, that, api’s being a member of Rainbow was debunked, thats why they were shut down….well…apparently not
    whats next?

  279. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    Obama claimed that he did not know that Wright believed that the government was behind AIDS. He denounced wright on that fact specifically.

    I have no way of knowing if Obama knew about that specific belief of Wrights or not.

  280. hockeyfan530 Says:

    esq,
    also consider that it’s not just one or two associations we are talking about. There are 5 just on the surface. There are plenty more but the others, and i think more disturbing ones, were never brought up….ODINGA and Farrakhan come to mind! But, again, we are talking about the lies not the associations

  281. sliderblaze Says:

    My sister is pissed, she voted for Obama and didnt know anything about ayers, wright, or this bc issue, she’s on the road or flying most the time, she got her info from her uppity friends who all voted obama, she’s now coming back to the east coast to live, she’s been in L.A. for the last 7 yrs and has had enough

  282. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    ohhhh those scary associations. Sorry I do not want a president that blocks out those with a different point of view or mindset. Knowing people is not a test at all for me.

  283. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    Gary I suggest you go read the full sermons of those remarks you call hateful from Wright. Context is important.

  284. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    jonathanwrightesq

    Blacks had a hard time of it in our history, BUT
    fact
    there were just as many if not more White indentured Servents before and during the time of slavery.
    African sold their enemies to the white traders…rarely did we snatch and grap as believed.

    Slavery is horrific but it is past, The 60’s gained their freedom in other areas….. Now they actually have more rights than whites….
    So when Blacks give hate speechs, they are doing nothing but fueling a fire that should of long ago been put out.

  285. sliderblaze Says:

    lol, he mad deals with the devils, i dont want my president having shady not associations ESQ alliances, he built he career around this type of people, one or two people, thats an association….

    all the people around you politically, thats alliances

  286. Troy Says:

    Esq,
    Just admit it man, you voted for Satan…..Lmaooooo

  287. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    I said angry not hate speech. You are claiming it to be hate speech.

    Was Eisenhower giving a hate speech when he critized the bombing?

  288. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    I dont believe in satan. Why would I vote for a myth?

  289. hockeyfan530 Says:

    thanks esq, my curiosity has been satisfied. We no longer have to discuss the point

  290. sliderblaze Says:

    Senators announce deal on auto industry aid…

    AAAHHHHHHHHHHH why are they doing this

    Ford makes a 65mile/gallon car that is not being sold in the USA

  291. sliderblaze Says:

    ESQ voted for something that i may have stepped in on the way to the car…lol

  292. rosettasister Says:

    I have to step away for a bit.

    In order for your comments not be moderated, may I suggest that instead of posting something that looks like this:

    “Honor Killings: The Islamic Connection”

    By Phyllis Chesler

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=619966C5-35E0-4925-8E99-3D1E899EC400

    Post something that looks like this:

    frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=619966C5-35E0-4925-8E99-3D1E899EC400

    Which can easily be copied and posted into your browser.

    Bbl

    Have a wonderful day!

    Rose

  293. Mia Says:

    jonathanwrightesq:

    He went through a background check for US senate has a US passport and down the line. The Birth certificate would of been provided on more than one occassion. The state department is not asking for it lawyers are the burden of proof is on them why a document that has been accepted might be forged.

    ————————

    Hmmm, this raises several more questions for me, but I don’t have much time so I’ll stick with my original question.

    1 – As I understand it, there is no requirement for being a natural born citizen to run or serve as a Senator, so I’m not sure that would be pertinent here. Also, as I understand it, there is no official protocol for verifying birth documents in the presidential process. When and how would this have happened? It seems odd that if he had to provide his birth certificate in ’04, why would he have to get another one in ’07?

    2 – Even if it has been provided previously, how can we be sure that whatever birth certificate he provided wasn’t also a forgery, but not recognized as such by whoever handled it?

    3 – Let’s forget Obama and speak hypothetically: What if Joe Blow or Jane Doe ran for President and won, and had never ever run for any office before or for any reason had to provide his/her birth certificate so it had never been vetted before, and these same claims were made? How would we then go about officially proving or disproving the forgery claims when they came to light?

    Thanks.

    (Personally, I don’t care where Obama was born. I don’t think that should prohibit him from serving as President. But I do think if he falsified docs, that should prohibit him serving.)

  294. Troy Says:

    ESQ,
    If you don’t think Obama’s Selective Service Registration is a 2008 forgery, then have a look here…OOPS!!!

    http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=221543

  295. Troy Says:

    (Personally, I don’t care where Obama was born. I don’t think that should prohibit him from serving as President. But I do think if he falsified docs, that should prohibit him serving.)
    ————————————————————-
    The Framers of our constitution did care and for good reason.

  296. hockeyfan530 Says:

    I am not trying to be insulting esq but my true belief is that the FAR left are the only ones that used logic and reasoning when voting for Obama. Blacks voted because he was black. Although that’s a dumb reason but it’s understandable. If he weren’t black they wouldn’t have voted for anyone. But it’s the middle of the road and right leaning that through logic and reason out the window this time. I’m not trying to offend you or anyone else…but come on. It’s just talking with supporters they come back with the same arguements.

  297. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    Mia there is claims that for the government background check all sorts of documentation is needed. Perhaps a bc is need perhaps not I am not sure.

    We can end it at the US passport though it is required for that. Obama produced something if and only if a lawyer is able to provide evidence that Obama falisfied a document I will join in the chorus saying something is foul.

  298. hockeyfan530 Says:

    but the people that process US passports process so many and they don’t question the validity of a bc unless it’s written in crayon.

    No one ever thought to validate the bc….why would they?

    I agree with the lawyer proving it’s false…that would absolutely blow this thing out of the water

  299. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    Passport requirement:

    *A certified birth certificate has a registrar’s raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar’s office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.

    There must be a raised seal on the bc. Obama would have had to produce a certificate with a raised seal.

  300. Troy Says:

    Leo Donofrio’s lawsuit has Obama by the short and curlies….It will be up to the SCOTUS to interpret and define what “natural born citizen” means….This is a historical case since it is a first.
    The SCOTUS has an enormous burden on it’s shoulders to make this interpretation.

  301. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    hockeyfan I have a friend whose parents are Cuban. He has not been able to get a passport due to problems with a birthcertificate even though he was born in NYC.

    The office does make sure the requirements are met passport turn around is not a quick process.

  302. hockeyfan530 Says:

    I also believe that he had a special passport for government officials. So if he was a senator he wouldn’t have to provide a bc for his passport. And the senate wouldn’t necessarily have seen his bc either. Think Chicago politics and that’s why he wouldn’t HAVE to show his bc

  303. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    Not true hockeyfan.

    He does get a no fee passport but the requirements are the same.

  304. hockeyfan530 Says:

    you know, that brings up another potential issue.

    I’m sure that in application for running for office there is a question as to whether or not you were ever a citizen of another country or held dual citizenship. If there is i wonder how he answered that question?

    Does anyone know if those questions are on the application?

  305. Troy Says:

    It would seem that almost everything surrounding Obama is attached to some sort of controversy….Hmmm….I wonder why that is?…..It can’t all just be a big coincidence….All one has to do is connect the dots, but some just refuse to see what is right infront of their lying eyes.

  306. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    You should hang out on liberal sites and seee all the bush controversies especially around the elections. McCain had quite a few this run around. The nature of the web troy.

  307. Troy Says:

    The nature of the truth in our filthy political world

  308. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    Newest one. Zogby wont dont a similar poll on McCain supporters as it did on Obama ones…

    ————

    Zogby told Politico in a telephone interview that the volume of reaction was in the top 10 percent he had received to his 24 years of polling.

    This week, Ziegler proposed to pay for a similar poll of McCain voters. But Zogby told Politico he will not do the poll the same way.

    “I am happy to do a poll of both Obama voters and McCain voters, with questions that I formulated and sponsored either by an objective third party or by someone on the left, in tandem with a John Ziegler on the right – but poll questions that have my signature,” Zogby said.

    “I believe there was value in the poll we did,” Zogby added. “I also believe it was not our finest hour. This slipped through the cracks. It came out critical only of Obama voters.”

    ——————————————–

    How shady of zogby….

  309. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    Zogby admits it did a poll that was only critical of one side but will NOT duplicate it for the other.

    Talk about bias..

    See my point troy?

  310. Troy Says:

    I will bet you any amount of cash that when the results are in they will be polar opposites

  311. hockeyfan530 Says:

    what zogby poll is this? the one with the interviews on youtube?

  312. Troy Says:

    yes

  313. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    yup.

    They arent doing a similar poll Troy. That is a point. Zogby admits it was problematic and wont do it on the other side.

  314. Troy Says:

    Israeli Air Force is making preparations for strikes on Iranian nuclear sites

  315. hockeyfan530 Says:

    Wasn’t that about how the media covered the election? Not necessarily about obama voters per se? If so i’m not sure why they didn’t just pick people at random. It wasn’t supposed to show the ignorance of the voter but how the media covered the election.

  316. Troy Says:

    yes fan that was the one and they did pick random Obama voters….A black female randomly selected exit voters

  317. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    hockeyfan530

    That was my take on it….. how the media covered the election..

  318. Mia Says:

    Troy:

    The Framers of our constitution did care and for good reason.

    —————————-

    I understand that, but I don’t think they meant to disqualify those born of an American and a foreigner, tho I could be wrong. As I see it, Obama is a natural born U.S. citizen per the Constitution. His mother was a citizen, therefore Obama is – naturally – a citizen. I also don’t think Obama should be penalized for something his mother did (i.e., letting a foreigner adopt Obama.)

    I also think we the people should be the final authority, that should be determined by we the people in the voting booth – after being duly informed by the press, which did not happen. If it had, then none of this would be an issue.

  319. jonathanwrightesq Says:

    IT was a poorly designed poll. That is why zogby wants input if they do the poll again and wants to include all voters.

    Yes it was to show media influence and really accomplished nothing Ziegler even admits the interviewees on the youtube video were questioned in advance to make sure they were “knowlegable” You can not prescreen and have a unbias poll….

  320. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Grrrr I dislike cops…….

    Our stolen Suburban was seen last night, we understand that it is being used as a traveling Meth lap because it is 4×4 HUGE and can go off road.

    Took the cops 40 minutes to get to where it was seen… and they just called again asking to confirm what color it is…….makes me wonder about the qualifications to getting on the police force

  321. Troy Says:

    No, it was about how the biased media vetted (or not vetted at all) the candidates…It was about intentional biased slanted reporting to the general public as to misinform or illinform them with the purpose of getting one candidate elected

  322. hockeyfan530 Says:

    i don’t think it’s a problem to prescreen on considering yourself a “knowledgeable” but if it was only obama supporters that’s silly. And were there actually people that admitted to not being knowlegeable? LOL

  323. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    anyone hear anymore about google scrubbing their conservitive sites?
    sites losing their ranking if they are concieved as anti-obama

  324. Mia Says:

    jonathanwrightesq:

    if and only if a lawyer is able to provide evidence that Obama falisfied a document I will join in the chorus saying something is foul.

    hockeyfan:

    I agree with the lawyer proving it’s false…
    ————————————-

    Definitely agree. And I guess that’s where we’re going now. I just hope this is resolved one way or another before the electoral college votes.

    Thanks for the dialogue!

    And now I’ve got to get back to work…

  325. Troy Says:

    cindy,
    I have not looked in to it any further

  326. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    I think any office Mayor or higher should be Vetted for qualifications.
    they have important jobs and i WANT to know they have my best interest at heart; even if we disagree in policies.

  327. hockeyfan530 Says:

    completely vetted and fairly!

  328. Troy Says:

    jonathanwrightesq:

    if and only if a lawyer is able to provide evidence that Obama falisfied a document I will join in the chorus saying something is foul.
    ————————————————————-
    Lmaooo….I guess the FBI agent that specialized in that investigation doesn’t count….Nothing will become of it because a democratically controled congress is nevr going to appoint a special prosecutor to case that wuld bring down their own puppet

  329. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Troy

    Maybe Sage is right in one way,…. maybe we should do our own investigating into certain issues…… google etc…..

    Most devious things happen right in front of peoples faces… bc people don’t know what to look for.

  330. RoBoTech Says:

    Why do the posters here complain about the trolls, yet respond to them?
    It’s easy to just scroll by posts by alias’ you don’t like to read. Just don’t read their posts and ignore them.
    Personally, I feel the trolls opinions and personalities are so opposite of mine, there’s no common ground for a discussion. I no longer have the desire to be in even blog relationships with Obama Supporters. I am long past those discussions, and now into action, not words.
    And I choose who I discuss matters with. This is only a blog, you can ignore idiots.
    I will NEVER support Obama. After watching him for two years campaigning, I am convinced he is a Pathological Liar. He tries to hide it with “Lawyer Speak”, but IF you are paying attention, it comes through loud and clear.
    I will use these next four years using my time to join Grass Roots and OPPOSE everything he stands for. Period.
    There are MANY things that we can do to stop a lot of his ignorant policies
    If there are like minded people that want to discuss this, I am game, but trolls need not apply.

  331. hockeyfan530 Says:

    troy,
    are you referring the FBI guy that investigated the SSR? You would think that would be huge! Wasn’t there also a guy that investigated the BC on obama’s site and proved it false? Was that not a credible investigator?

  332. Troy Says:

    I’ve been doing that for months on end

  333. rosettasister Says:

    New Thread:

    https://rosettasister.wordpress.com/2008/11/20/%e2%80%9cobamas-birth-certificate-conspiracy-forged-images-phony-photos-and-felony-fraud%e2%80%9d-by-polarik/

  334. hockeyfan530 Says:

    the problem with us doing it on our own is that it is ignored until the MSM finally, if ever, reports it. Believe me, I’ve been called crazy this entire election…and when something turned out to be true they simply said it doesn’t matter! LOL

  335. doctordebug Says:

    Talking to an Obot about the citizenship issue is JUST like the discussion in Iciocracy where they are talking about why they water plants with a sports drink “Brawndo”: Check it out

    “But he has to be a natural born citizen to be president”

    “He IS that thing you said”

    “How do you know?”

    “Cause he’s going to be president!”

    LMAO

  336. hockeyfan530 Says:

    has anyone else on here boycotted MSM including FOX?

    I only watch local news now and turn off world news

  337. doctordebug Says:

    rosetta could you unmoderate my recent post, I think it interjects some much needed humor.

  338. doctordebug Says:

    hockeyfan I have not been able to watch one minute of national news since the election.

  339. justanamericancindy4 Says:

    Troy,
    I am talking more orginizated,. compling it in one place…

    The idea even of google scrubbing sites gives me the willies…
    I started using Infoseek and plan on having a blog/site hosted elsewhere than the US …erroring on the side of caution

  340. hockeyfan530 Says:

    doc,

    I can’t even listen to them talk about Obama. It saddens me too much LOL

  341. igaveup Says:

    Here’s a conspiracy theory. All Clinton retreads are being placed in play because Hillary will really be the President.

  342. Gary Says:

    jonathanwrightesq Says:
    November 20, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    IT was a poorly designed poll. That is why zogby wants input if they do the poll again and wants to include all voters.

    Yes it was to show media influence and really accomplished nothing Ziegler even admits the interviewees on the youtube video were questioned in advance to make sure they were “knowlegable” You can not prescreen and have a unbias poll….

    esq– Did Sarah Palin say ” I can see russia from my house”

    Yes or No

    Did the libs that were polled “know who controlled the congress”

    Yes or No

    DO any of you realize that congresses approval rating is half of Dubya’s??? Yes it is in the TEENS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    MSM did a great job pulling the wool over the general populations eyes — THAT IS NOT IN QUESTION IS IT???

  343. rosettasister Says:

    ***

    New Thread:

    https://rosettasister.wordpress.com/2008/11/20/%e2%80%9cobamas-birth-certificate-conspiracy-forged-images-phony-photos-and-felony-fraud%e2%80%9d-by-polarik/

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