Solid Air — John Martyn

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(Thought it might be a good idea to start a new thread.)

Original Release Date: February 1973

  1. Solid Air
  2. 2. Over the Hill
  3. 3. Don’t Want to Know
  4. 4. I’d Rather Be the Devil – John Martyn, James, Skip
  5. 5. Go Down Easy
  6. 6. Dreams by the Sea
  7. 7. May You Never
  8. 8. The Man in the Station
  9. 9. The Easy Blues

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John Martyn – “I’d Rather be the Devil”

Michelle Obama Chief Editor Korir African Press International API

453 Responses to “Solid Air — John Martyn”

  1. Foxtrot Says:

    Helloooooooooooo in here!

  2. Troy Says:

    Jellooooooooo…..Fox

  3. Troy Says:

    Unfortunately our courts are not about right or wrong….they are about procedures (motions, writs, standing, bla, bla, bla)

  4. flamineagle Says:

    hey we got some tunes for our picnic!

  5. Foxtrot Says:

    REPOST from other thread: Foxtrot Says:

    November 17, 2008 at 11:49 pm
    The fact that our Founding Fathers put the “natural born” element in the Constitution, even though that meant that many of them would not be able to run for POTUS themselves, says alot about how important it was to them!

  6. flamineagle Says:

    yeah, and all those motion!.

    Better take some dramamine for all the Motion sickness!

  7. flamineagle Says:

    *motions

  8. thinkingmom11 Says:

    OK – I am moving this over here from the other thread for eagle – I got a good laugh – thanks!!

    flamineagle Says:

    November 17, 2008 at 11:48 pm
    Foxtrot Says:
    November 17, 2008 at 11:45 pm

    I talked on another blog site with people about doing that very thing! I agree that a march would be the only way to get anyone’s attention. If Obama is a citizen, why doesn’t he simply show us the vault version of his certificate?
    ____
    instead of a March, can we do a Foxtrot instead:)

    Dancing is the streets sounds more fun, then just Marching, lol

  9. Foxtrot Says:

    REPOSTS FROM OTHER THREAD:
    flamineagle Says:

    November 17, 2008 at 11:48 pm
    Foxtrot Says:
    November 17, 2008 at 11:45 pm

    I talked on another blog site with people about doing that very thing! I agree that a march would be the only way to get anyone’s attention. If Obama is a citizen, why doesn’t he simply show us the vault version of his certificate?
    ____
    instead of a March, can we do a Foxtrot instead:)

    Dancing is the streets sounds more fun, then just Marching, lol

    _____________________________________

    Foxtrot Says:

    November 17, 2008 at 11:50 pm
    That was adorable, Flamineagle! I’ll do a jig if it would get the attention of the media and the Supreme Court!

  10. Troy Says:

    They put a clause in so they could run for POTUS but not future generation could

  11. flamineagle Says:

    lol flamineagle Says:
    November 17, 2008 at 11:53 pm

    I would too Foxtrot!

  12. Troy Says:

    There is a MARCH that has been getting organized for several weeks now

  13. Foxtrot Says:

    I shudder to think if Obama goes unchallenged. Then we will have other NON natural born citizens in the future citing this election as reason they should be allowed to run!

  14. Foxtrot Says:

    Troy, I heard that but it is for January. I wrote to that site and asked if they could move it up to before the Electors cast their votes! It won’t do any good in January!

  15. Troy Says:

    If I thought it would get the atention of the SCOTUS, I would do naked cartwheels,,,Now there’s a scary thought

  16. Foxtrot Says:

    I am planning on writing to my Indiana Electors and giving them all the information relative to this cause. They have not been installed yet in my state so I have to wait.

  17. flamineagle Says:

    I’m still say there could be a false flag attack, to suspend the constitution…..

    What if Obama is an illegal, and they don’t want us to know it! All that would need to happen is a false flag event for Bush to declare Martial law, that would suspend the US Constitution, state of emergency including a few executive orders. The main stream media ( MSM) has already planted this possibly into the masses, google, Obama Warned of ‘Spectacular’ al-Qaeda Attack During Transition. I don’t think Bush would want to stay in office, but he could if he wanted to. Or Bush could quickly swear in Obama to take of Office of the US Presidency. Either way, a false flag event, or planned attack could get Obama into office whether Obama was eligible or not, since Martial law would suspend the constitution. And we all know how Obama defends illegals. Talk about a conspiracy theory, oh man!

  18. Foxtrot Says:

    LOL Troy!

  19. Troy Says:

    Yes Fox…the constitution would be worthless from that day forward because of presidence (sp)

  20. Foxtrot Says:

    Flamineagle, but why would Bush ever do that for Obama?

  21. flamineagle Says:

    Troy Says:
    November 17, 2008 at 11:57 pm

    If I thought it would get the atention of the SCOTUS, I would do naked cartwheels,,,Now there’s a scary thought
    _____

    Yeah and we could have signs that read, “okay Obama time for you to bare all”

  22. Troy Says:

    False flag attack?….How do we start one?….Lmaooo

  23. Tenacity Says:

    Foxt & Troy,
    Keep in mind that Keyes is joined by 2 California electors in his suit. I believe that could change the whole game. Schrieber is pretty sharp, but as he says himself, he’s only a law student.

  24. Foxtrot Says:

    Very creative folks . . . very creative!

  25. Foxtrot Says:

    What about this one: “The NAKED truth is that Obama is BARELY eligible for Dog Catcher, let alone POTUS!”

  26. Troy Says:

    It’s going to take a judge with GIANT bras ones….you know with all the rioting and marshall law and everything

  27. sliderblaze Says:

    “The Michelle Obama tapes has caused many people to have sleepless nights. Most of them used there time to get adverts in API site which was then hosted by WordPress.com. The enemies managed to fool wordpress and got their way by wordpress’ reaction closing us down. Now that we have passed that stage, we want to assure the readers that the tapes will see the light. It has been a rough road but one that we will not fail to work to the end.”

    lol, at api, so, take it for what it’s worth people, i was just curious about the advertisements in the threads, is that what really happend? if so, thats down right (more) disgraceful than i thought, on that note, bblrz my fine fellows and ladies, yes that means you too foxtrot : )~

  28. Foxtrot Says:

    Very true, Troy, very true! After all, what judge will want to go down in history as being the reason the first black President was brought down! Yikes!!!

  29. Tenacity Says:

    Troy,
    Do you have a video of you doing cartwheels on your myspace site?

  30. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Who is deciding on this at SCOTUS? Is is Scalia? I can’t remember and I don’t feel like looking it up because I will bet you a donut someone here knows… how ’bout it?

  31. Foxtrot Says:

    Such flattery, Slider! Goodness! See you later. Look forward to a civil exchange.

  32. Troy Says:

    Nah, but I have a web cam….Hehehe….You don’t want to see that though….It’s actually quite disgusting…Lmaoooo

  33. Foxtrot Says:

    Thinking Mom, I think it is Souter for the Berg case.

  34. Troy Says:

    No not Scalia….Sueter

  35. Tenacity Says:

    TM,
    Not sure which case you are asking about. I believe Donofrio’s case is now going to Thomas and Berg’s is with Souter. Both or either could go to the full panel if referred.

  36. flamineagle Says:

    Foxtrot Says:
    November 17, 2008 at 11:59 pm

    Flamineagle, but why would Bush ever do that for Obama?
    _____
    well Bush could just stay in office, but since he is a puppet, he would have to take orders from someone running the show….I know they want Bush out, and Obama in. You see Bush started destroying the constitution, and Obama will finish destroying it the way I see it. Bush was the problem, and Obama is the solution. Bush quote, the constitution is just a *** piece of paper…Obamas quote is “Constitution Fundamentally Flawed”
    I know know who or why they want to destroy the constitution, but many other countries now are re writing there constitutions…Like Iraq for example. So many just to scoff at the New world oder, calling it a conspiracy theory, but now, so many are stating it in the MSM. New world Order, global economy, ect. I just have a feeling, gut instinct , that they will suspend the constitution as we know it, and write a new one.

  37. Foxtrot Says:

    Flamineagle – You don’t think the citizens would revolt if they did that? I do. I tend to have more faith in the American people than that. I hope I am right and you are wrong in this case! Don’t you?

  38. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Thank you – I was thinking of the Donofrio case and Thomas (I knew SOMEONE had a case coming before a more favorable judge than Souter). I think I would have remembered doing cartwheels if I had heard Scalia would be involved! My brain is fried today – thanks for straightening me out.

  39. Tenacity Says:

    Eagle,
    It takes the ratification of 3/4 of the states to amend the constitution. Not 3/4 of the population, but 3/4 of the states. Most states are Red.

  40. Foxtrot Says:

    Sigh of relief! Our Constitution needs to stand firmly on this issue.

  41. thinkingmom11 Says:

    If the gov’t gets too carried away with changing things, Thomas Jefferson gave us permission to rebel “I hold it that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical…It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government.” Jefferson 1787

  42. flamineagle Says:

    we all agree Guantanamo Bay should be closed, as well as so many other prisons in the world that torture people without trials. It sounds great that Obama want to close down Guantanamo. But if you look closer, Obama wants to have a New system. The plan could require the creation of a new legal system, and a new constitution! I sure don’t want terrorism suspects into the U.S., many to be set free, so I’m thinking in order to get into the Office of the presidency, and to move Obama plan forward, something could, and I say could happen to suspend the constitution. We would be under Martial law, soon to be replaced by Sharia Law. Hey we already have a Sharia Compliant Finance in the USA, so it’s not a stretch.
    http://www.cair.com/Default.aspx?TabID=165&ArticleID=24491&&&&name=n&currPage=1&Active=1

  43. Troy Says:

    A little humor:

  44. Foxtrot Says:

    Scary stuff!

  45. thinkingmom11 Says:

    I know I have mentioned this book about 10 times but I have a few new audience members so I will mention it again: It is called “The 5000 Year Leap: The Principles of Freedom 101” by Skousen. It is a fantastic book that I think ALL citizens should read. I am hoping to find the time to read another of his books called “The Making of America” but to do that I would have to stop spending so much time on here and I would miss y’all 🙂

    Both of the books are available from Amazon or from the National Center for Constitutional Studies http://www.xmission.com/~nccs/ and, no, I don’t get any money if you buy the books!!! This is just a friendly suggestion

  46. thinkingmom11 Says:

    I love jib-jab!!!

  47. Foxtrot Says:

    Jib-Jab is hysterical!

  48. Foxtrot Says:

    Is there a new Jib-Jab out that I don’t know about?

  49. flamineagle Says:

    Foxtrot Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 12:11 am

    Flamineagle – You don’t think the citizens would revolt if they did that? I do. I tend to have more faith in the American people than that. I hope I am right and you are wrong in this case! Don’t you?
    ___
    Of course, but with the United Nation troops under martial law, our little gun stash would do much good with their high tech sonic weapons.

    _____
    Tenacity Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 12:12 am

    Eagle,
    It takes the ratification of 3/4 of the states to amend the constitution. Not 3/4 of the population, but 3/4 of the states. Most states are Red.
    _______
    Not if we are under martial law. The constitution would be suspended.
    “Martial law is not explicitly mentioned in the Constitution, but the suspension of habeas corpus is mentioned in Article 1, Section 9, and the activation of the militia in time of rebellion or invasion is mentioned in Article 1, Section 8. The Topic Page for Military Justice may also be of interest.” The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.
    http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_mlaw.html

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10473

  50. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Troy gave us a link to a jibjab youtube – the “Time for some campaignin’ ” one

  51. thinkingmom11 Says:

    I love the pink unicorn! What a hoot…

  52. ddlew Says:

    rosettasister Says:
    November 17, 2008 at 11:22 pm

    Rosetta-

    ddlew is a ms person–digging for info to report back to ms

    ————————————————————————————–

    ddlew Says:
    November 17, 2008 at 11:58 pm

    Rosettasister

    ddlew is NOT an MS’r digging over here for info to report back to them. That’s the silliest thing I’ve ever heard.

    I’m just intrigued by this whole story and I’m looking for info anywhere I can find it.

    I challenge anyone to find ANY POST on that other blog that would support the aforementioned accusation.

    I have posted over there 3-4 times and NOTHING I have said or asked them would support that premise.

    🙂

  53. flamineagle Says:

    Okay some comic relief, lol

    Jib-Jab is a hoot!

  54. Troy Says:

    It was just announced on P.U.M.A. blog that Hillary IS going to be the next Secretary of State.
    http://www.puma08.com/2008/11/17/hillary-clinton-is-going-to-be-the-next-secretary-of-state/

  55. Troy Says:

    ddlew, I have never seen a reason to believe that either…Don’t worry about it

  56. Foxtrot Says:

    So funny! Over on Larry Sinclair’s website he wanted to prove that Obama does not vet people properly himself. He applied for a position in the Obama/Biden Administration. He has been moved to step two in the application process. I will be curious to see how far he gets with this! Priceless!

  57. Foxtrot Says:

    They stated they thought she was going to take it, but they don’t know for certain. I am holding out that she will not. She is too smart to fall for that. Although she could get alot accomplished in that position.

  58. ddlew Says:

    Troy Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 12:33 am

    ddlew, I have never seen a reason to believe that either…Don’t worry about it

    ——————————————-

    Thanks for vouch Troy.

  59. Troy Says:

    Citigroup announced it is cutting 50,000 jobs
    http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/11/17/senator-clinton-2/

  60. Foxtrot Says:

    That article posted about Hillary accepting that position is from a UK paper. I don’t think she has made a decision yet. If she had, it would be all over the news by now and it is not.

  61. Troy Says:

    NP

  62. Troy Says:

    I report you decide…Hehehe

  63. Ksinde. Says:

    Hi everybody:)

  64. Troy Says:

    Hello Ksinde

  65. Ksinde. Says:

    ddlew,

    i have saw a handful of people that post over at MS and here, including yourself. But i can say i never saw you playing both sides or trashing anyone here

  66. ddlew Says:

    I see that someone has spammed API’s Guest Book with nasty messages from from Rosettasister.

  67. Foxtrot Says:

    So, did I hear correctly that Andy Martin’s case comes to fruition tomorrow? What is being decided or revealed? Do we know?

  68. Foxtrot Says:

    I thought the API site was a fake?

  69. Troy Says:

    yes tomorrow

  70. Troy Says:

    No API Tripod is legit

  71. Foxtrot Says:

    Is it real? Has Korir stated when the tape would be released? What about the Imam coming out of hiding? I think we have honestly seen the last of the real Chief Korir.

  72. ddlew Says:

    Foxtrot Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 12:40 am

    So, did I hear correctly that Andy Martin’s case comes to fruition tomorrow? What is being decided or revealed? Do we know?

    —————————–

    Yeppers. The hearing is scheduled for tomorrow.

    Barack Obama birth certificate battle unfolds in Honolulu court on Tuesday, November 18th

  73. Ksinde. Says:

    AMy had mentioned 2 court cases that were set to be heard by a judge this week. I thought she said that one was to be heard today. I could be mistaken, but i thought she said that thomas was suppose to handle one today.

    does anyone remember what i am talking about???? haven’t seen amy in here today. i will be curiious to see if she has any info

  74. Foxtrot Says:

    Troy, what is Andy Martin trying to accomplish? I am not as familiar with his case as I am with Berg’s.

  75. flamineagle Says:

    Troy Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 12:32 am

    It was just announced on P.U.M.A. blog that Hillary IS going to be the next Secretary of State
    ____

    interesting! Hi Ksinde!

  76. Foxtrot Says:

    ddlew, what is the word on what people think will happen?

  77. Foxtrot Says:

    Flamin – it is from a UK newspaper. If it were true, it would be all over the television right now and it is not.

  78. flamineagle Says:

    ddlew Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 12:40 am

    I see that someone has spammed API’s Guest Book with nasty messages from from Rosettasister.
    ____
    where did you get that information from? all I see is a way to sign his guest book, not read it…

    link?

  79. Troy Says:

    Andy Martin is simply trying to force Hawaiian officials to show Obama’s BC

  80. Troy Says:

    I couldn’t read guest book comments either

  81. Foxtrot Says:

    Wouldn’t you love to be there if/when that happens? I know I would!

  82. Troy Says:

    I hope an expert in document forensics is there

  83. calli Says:

    Rosetta,
    You know I have commented several times about the Obama camp getting the homeless to vote but not helping them!!
    This weekend our local news reported a story about a 9yr old boy who is dying from luekemia and his wish was to help the homeless. This was something he wanted to do when he got older. It was arranged to provide 25 homeless people with food in his name!! I was in tears!! Here is someone who is dying but wanted to make a difference!! He is a true hero!! I just wanted to share this with you!!!

  84. flamineagle Says:

    Foxtrot Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 12:45 am

    Flamin – it is from a UK newspaper. If it were true, it would be all over the television right now and it is not.
    ____
    I cut off my cable services last may, lol Keep us posted if you hear an announcement though:)

    _____
    Troy Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 12:48 am

    I couldn’t read guest book comments either
    ______

    Then how would ddlew have knowledge to this information? Suspicious!

  85. ddlew Says:

    Well it looks as if Mr. Korir, if it’s Mr. Korir (and I’m beginning to believe it is), has removed the “Read My Guest Book” link from the website.

    It was the “N” word repeated over and over in multiple post with Rosettasister as the author.

  86. Troy Says:

    That is usa1776 doing that

  87. ddlew Says:

    flamineagle Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 12:53 am

    ______

    Then how would ddlew have knowledge to this information? Suspicious!

    ———————————–

    Come on. Cut it out.

  88. Ksinde. Says:

    calli, ty for sharing! that is very touching. So sad, reminds me of alex and her lemonade stands. we can learn so much from children!

  89. ddlew Says:

    Foxtrot Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 12:45 am

    Flamin – it is from a UK newspaper. If it were true, it would be all over the television right now and it is not.

    ————————————–

    Drudge has it on the front of his page. The UK Press always reports our politics before our media does.

    “FREE PRESS?” – Hardley

  90. flamineagle Says:

    ddlew Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 12:54 am

    Well it looks as if Mr. Korir, if it’s Mr. Korir (and I’m beginning to believe it is), has removed the “Read My Guest Book” link from the website.

    It was the “N” word repeated over and over in multiple post with Rosettasister as the author.
    ____
    If this is true, then tripod has the IP addy. I just don’t understand why these jealous, vindictive, idiots, with their delusions of grandeur won’t leave the man alone and stop harassing him. Oh wait, I just answered my own question, lol

    It’s Mrs. Carmody & group again!

  91. Troy Says:

    ARE YOU DEMOCRAT, REPUBLICAN OR REDNECK?

    Here is a little test that will help you decide

    You’re walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, an Islamic terrorist with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, praises Allah, raises the knife, and charges at you.
    You are carrying a Glock cal 40, and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family.
    What do you do?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Democrat’s Answer:
    Well, that’s not enough information to answer the question!
    Does the man look poor! Or oppressed?
    Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack?
    Could we run away?
    What does my wife think? What about the kids?
    Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Republican’s Answer:
    BANG!
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Redneck’s Answer:
    BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! Click….
    (sounds of reloading)
    BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click
    Daughter: ‘Nice grouping, Daddy! Were those the Winchester Silver Tips or Hollow Points?’
    Son: ‘You got him, Pop! Can I shoot the next one?’
    Wife: ‘You are NOT taking that to the taxidermist !

  92. Foxtrot Says:

    It says she was offered the position, it does not say she has accepted it. That is what FOX and other stations are reporting. They are speculating if she will take it or not.

  93. sba1872 Says:

    Sorry if mentioned already, but did you see the full page ad placed on page 5 of the Washington Times today? Go to Phil Berg’s site: http://www.obamacrimes.com

  94. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Leave ddlew alone – he plays nice with us 🙂 Hi, ddlew

  95. toonces777 Says:

    ddlew:

    I was at API earlier and you could read the guestbook then. The original spammer using the N word was our old “friend” USA1776.

  96. Foxtrot Says:

    Oh my gosh! That is awesome sba! I knew he was planning on doing that but am happy to see it actually a reality!

  97. flamineagle Says:

    ddlew Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 1:00 am

    Foxtrot Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 12:45 am

    Flamin – it is from a UK newspaper. If it were true, it would be all over the television right now and it is not.

    ————————————–

    Drudge has it on the front of his page. The UK Press always reports our politics before our media does.

    “FREE PRESS?” – Hardley
    ______
    Thanks I’ll go to drudge now.

  98. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Troy – that is a great one!! I will share with my husband who is into reloading and all – he will get a kick out of it too! TY

  99. ddlew Says:

    Gotta run the kiddos to practice.

    I’ll check in later. 🙂

  100. Troy Says:

    Funny stuff…..CLICK!!!!!

  101. flamineagle Says:

    lol@ Troy again! I am in between the Republican and the redneck..

    A Republicneck, or a Redcan, lol

  102. flamineagle Says:

    see ya ddlew, thanks for the tips.

  103. Foxtrot Says:

    Gotta take a break for a bit. Have to knock out a wall in our second bathroom. Remodelling—not for the faint of heart!!!

  104. Troy Says:

    That is an awsome ad Berg put out…weeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!

  105. flamineagle Says:

    Augh remodeling is no fun Foxtrot, but you will be happy when it’s all finished. I have to go take a break too….

    check back when I can…Nice chatting with all of you:)

    ttyl:)

  106. amy Says:

    Listen up, everybody: Leo Donofrio officially renews emergency stay application to US Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas today in case relating to THE ONEs elligibilty.. Donofrio is going to be interviewed at 9PM EST in few minutes on plainsradio: http://www.plainsradio.com/

  107. Troy Says:

    Hi Amy…Thanks for info

  108. Ksinde. Says:

    thanks Amy, i was waiting for you to check in and update us. i will def toon in

  109. amy Says:

    yw troy

  110. Troy Says:

    Mark Cuban charged with insider trading…Lmaoooo
    Now lets see if he goes away like Martha

  111. amy Says:

    lol Troy, Nothing surprises me about Mark Cuban

  112. amy Says:

    I bet lots of them are doing insider trading about now

  113. Ksinde. Says:

    amy, just clicked on listen live ans some old time ty show audio is on?!? lol

  114. amy Says:

    Ksinde, I didnt understand what you just said. Run that by me one more time, please.

  115. Ksinde. Says:

    i went to radio station and clicked on listen live. Playing live was audio of what sounds like a tv show.

  116. Troy Says:

    15 more minutes, Ksinde

  117. amy Says:

    Oh, music..Not 9 pm yet

  118. Ksinde. Says:

    lol..thanks troy…what would i do without you. when you hit listen live do you here an old time tv show?

  119. amy Says:

    Are you EST?

  120. Ksinde. Says:

    yes est… but not music, i hear a tv show from back in the day…like that show when the guy say over the moon alice.

  121. amy Says:

    I havent turned it on yet..Wait!

  122. Tenacity Says:

    Amy,
    What show are we waiting for on Plains?

  123. Ksinde. Says:

    troy or amy, i not a “tech” person, so i will run this by you to see if you know.

    If you give your home or cell # to someone, can they scam you in anyway? Like can they take your # and “clone” it or something?

  124. Tenacity Says:

    Ks,
    I’m worried about you…have you been tippling?

  125. Ksinde. Says:

    ??tippling??

  126. Tenacity Says:

    mark – 1 minute until 9 EST

  127. Ksinde. Says:

    tena, what is tippling?

  128. Ksinde. Says:

    ok..now i hear a news radio.

  129. Tenacity Says:

    Ks,
    You know, taking a little nip.

  130. thinkingmom11 Says:

    who’s show is on Plains radio? Isn’t that the radio that Ed Hale is involved in? I don’t exactly remember…I didn’t even know that there was internet based talk radion until the talk of it at API! HA HA I am SO naive…

  131. Troy Says:

    so far all i hear are commercials and news???
    anyone else

  132. Ksinde. Says:

    tena, either i am too old to know what you r talking about or i am too young to know…lol..i have no idea what nip is.

  133. Ksinde. Says:

    troy, yes that is what i am hearing. it is a texas station so it is 8 pm there

  134. Troy Says:

    yes I’m 8:00 CST and it’s 9:00 EST

  135. Tenacity Says:

    This is the Ed Hale station but I didn’t think he is on until later. I need to run an erand. If I knew what show it is, I could check to see if it is broadcast in Denver.

  136. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Ks – I think that tena thinks you are drinking and typing! 🙂

  137. Troy Says:

    here it is

  138. amy Says:

    This is the first time I ever had trouble getting plainsradio.. I hope someone else can get it and fill us in.

  139. Tenacity Says:

    Its Voice Of the People

  140. Troy Says:

    Ed Hale is just starting

  141. gatorsmom Says:

    Ok, sounds like the interview is finally starting!

  142. Troy Says:

    Ed Hale is a blowhole

  143. flamineagle Says:

    amy Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 2:08 am

    This is the first time I ever had trouble getting plainsradio.. I hope someone else can get it and fill us in.
    ____
    Hi Amy. I can’t get the player to launch either. I’m on firefox, any suggestions?

  144. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Is that Ed Hale?? If it is, I can’t get that Gilligan’s Island-captain-on-a-3-day-drunk picture out of my head! Anybody else?

  145. Troy Says:

    He’s an ugly mo fo alright

  146. flamineagle Says:

    finally got it.
    http://38.96.148.95:6346/

    then I clicked on this link
    http://38.96.148.95:6346/listen.pls

  147. amy Says:

    Oh, I am sorry, everybody who are unable to get it. I CANT either..For some reason, it causes my computer to shut down..I need a computer tech.. I always got it before.

  148. gatorsmom Says:

    Ed may be a blow hole but I’m listening to Leo Donofrio! I really think this case can go the distance.

  149. gatorsmom Says:

    lol thinkingmom!!

  150. amy Says:

    gatorsmom, anyone, can you fill us in when its over, on anything

  151. thinkingmom11 Says:

    So if neither Obama nor McCain are natural-born citizens, does that mean we are stuck with one of the other bozos that were on the ballot? Or do the VP candidates step in…woo hooo what a wild ride we will be on if this all comes to pass!

  152. Troy Says:

    This guys arguement isn’t going to hold water

  153. Ksinde. Says:

    gator mom says she will fill us in bc he is talking a mile aminute, he is very passionate about it

  154. gatorsmom Says:

    I will try to sum it up once its over. 🙂 no problem

  155. flamineagle Says:

    it’s okay Amy, I got in. It was crashing my browser too, but I finally got past that page and found the direct link to the show. I posted the links, but it’s waiting moderation right now….

    Some man named Leo is talking, I have no idea, but he’s talking about Obamas BC right now.

  156. Troy Says:

    His arguement is very clear, but will never hold up in court

  157. gatorsmom Says:

    basically his argument is over “natural born” citizen. He says the BC doesn’t matter – what matters is that Obama Sr was a Kenyan citizen, which was a colony of UK at the time, therefore at birth, Obama had dual citizenship/dual loyalties therefore cannot be considered true natural born US Citizen.

  158. flamineagle Says:

    it’s a pls file, and runs on winamp player. Leo talking about Judge Thomas right now.

  159. gatorsmom Says:

    how can you say it will never hold up Troy?

  160. amy Says:

    flaneeagle, that the lawyer who is doing it, the one sueing..geeeeesh, of all times for me to have puter troubles!

  161. gatorsmom Says:

    now he’s just going over what the possible responses to his suit could be and what the next steps would be…

  162. flamineagle Says:

    I got it on this link Amy for winamp player.

    http://38.96.148.95:6346/listen.pls

    I hope it posts this time.

  163. gatorsmom Says:

    if you don’t know there has also been a lot of mishandling of this case by the clerk at SC/OTUS. You can read the full story of the suit at:

    http://www.blogtext.org/naturalborncitizen

  164. flamineagle Says:

    Clerk needs to recuse himself from this case

  165. flamineagle Says:

    I know how the court system works, it’s not good…..

  166. gatorsmom Says:

    whew, OK they are taking a break on the plains radio

  167. Ksinde. Says:

    good point leo makes, how can he know if clerk gives the papers to thomas. they r taking break now will be back

  168. Ksinde. Says:

    amy can u hear it now

  169. Troy Says:

    The clerk needs to be strung up from the highest tree

  170. flamineagle Says:

    didnt he get 3 copies stamped by the clerk? The original papers for the court clerk to file, one working copy that goes to the Judge, and a copy for himself.
    I know all 3 have to be stamped.

  171. gatorsmom Says:

    ksinde – especially given the way the clerk has handled this case previously… and not just this clerk, it was mishandled back in NJ, at the Appellate (sp?) court and now at Supreme Court. Yes, clerk should recuse himself form handling it any further.

  172. Troy Says:

    I have a feeling this clerk is going to lose his job

  173. amy Says:

    ksinde, nooooo, Anything I do, as soon as I click onto it, it takes me right back to my desktop..Thats weird.

  174. thinkingmom11 Says:

    http://www.blogtext.org/naturalborncitizen/article/29871.html?OBAMA+ADMITS+HE+WAS+BRITISH+CITIZEN+AT+BIRTH+-+AS+SUCH+OBAMA+IS+NOT+A+NATURAL+BORN+CITIZEN+OF+US

    Here is a link to Donofrio’s website that discusses what he is talking about on the radio for those who can’t hear the show.

  175. amy Says:

    But its ok.. I will just sit back and read all your posts.. TY.

  176. Troy Says:

    He should file another suit against the clerk

  177. Ksinde. Says:

    that stinks amy…so sry, i know you are passionate about this

  178. Troy Says:

    weeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  179. gatorsmom Says:

    I agree Troy.

  180. Troy Says:

    case made it to the docket

  181. flamineagle Says:

    there is so much corruption is the court system though. Lawyers and judges make all kinds of deals over dinner and drinks. It is very frustrating to say the least!

    Maybe this will show people how bad the system is. Could we be getting set up for the New court system that Obama wants….Sharia law?

  182. Ksinde. Says:

    someone called in saying that the papers made it to the docket this time

  183. Ksinde. Says:

    AMy call in the # is 888-447-0270

  184. flamineagle Says:

    Amy do you have winamp player? I am on firefox and I got that link I posted to work…Maybe you need to reboot?

    Sorry it’s not working for you. I can’t see the chat room, but I can at least listen now to the show via that link I posted.

  185. gatorsmom Says:

    They are going to have a show weds night to talk about forged SSS(Selective Service registration)

  186. flamineagle Says:

    That should be a good show to gatorsmom! Thanks for the heads up.

  187. Ksinde. Says:

    amy get ready to call in if you want, doesn’t sound like phone line is that busy

  188. thinkingmom11 Says:

    What the heck was the DNC thinking putting this guy Obama up for POTUS – people against him will have enough scandal on him to keep them busy for the next decade!! With the Birth cetificate, selective service papers, the Logan Act violations, etc they must just be gluttons for punishment!

  189. flamineagle Says:

    Oh but thats part of the plan thinkingmom. the outcome isn’t going to be good.

  190. amy Says:

    I tried all that I could that was suggested in here and installed that player, but still got sent right back to desktop..It doesnt matter. You people are so good at letting me know whats going on, that makes me happy..Thank you sooooo much for that.

  191. sba1872 Says:

    The caller is a little thick. Maybe ’cause he’s not natural born. (Just kidding.)

  192. Ksinde. Says:

    sba…lol…but his accent is sexy

  193. flamineagle Says:

    Oh sorry Amy. I didn’t know you didn’t have winamp. I have XP, and one Firefox. It depends on what OS you have for winamp to work too. Hopefully we will get you fixed up for the next show.

    A caller is asking questions right now.

  194. amy Says:

    Did you say for sure that the case made it to the dicket this time?

  195. Ksinde. Says:

    ed dropped leo by accident

  196. amy Says:

    ooops docket

  197. Ksinde. Says:

    lol…dicket…caller called in and said yes it made it…i checked sup crt website and it is not there yet on website

  198. amy Says:

    I imagine foxtrot will be disappointed if she missed it too. I have been reading the comments,

  199. gatorsmom Says:

    leo’s case in a nutshell:

    obama = dual citizenship (US and UK) = not eligible for POTUS

  200. Troy Says:

    Amy,
    His arguement is that Obama was a dual British and American citizen at BIRTH just like the framers of the constitution were and therefore not a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN at his TIME OF BIRTH….That would make him not eligible.

  201. amy Says:

    ksinde, After this is over, would you post the sup court link if you have it, please?

  202. flamineagle Says:

    The docket has not been updated for Clarence Thomas

  203. amy Says:

    Troy, I see.. I just hope the justices understand this.

  204. Ksinde. Says:

    http://www.supremecourtus.gov/

  205. amy Says:

    ok thanks eagle.

  206. gatorsmom Says:

    but he also says McCain even though he was born to 2 US citizens, it was not on US soil therefore he’s not eligible either… I disagree because it was US base which should be US soil regardless of where.

  207. Ksinde. Says:

    search on top with obama in the search box…u will bee berg only not leo

  208. amy Says:

    ksinde, I got it.. Thanks

  209. amy Says:

    Well, I thought that law covering military familys was passed to cover that.

  210. ddlew Says:

    You would think that if the Chief Justice would read what’s on Obama’s OWN website, he would hear the case immediately!


    “When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

    Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”

    Direct from fight the smears

  211. Ksinde. Says:

    it is my understanding that a base, no matter where it is, is usa soil period

  212. amy Says:

    We realy are going to have a constitutional crisis.

  213. Troy Says:

    Amy,
    He is not saying Obama is a dual citizen now, but only at his time of BIRTH….In the constitution he is keying in on the word BORN (natural BORN citizen) and should not holding dual citizenship at time of BIRTH

  214. Ksinde. Says:

    ddlew…that is crazy

  215. amy Says:

    ok

  216. flamineagle Says:

    I thought I was on the docket…

    and had the case in my pocket….

    But nobody’s playing by the rules…

    They are playing us all for fools…

    Oh yeah, I got the court case blues….

  217. Foxtrot Says:

    Hello everyone! What is up?

  218. sba1872 Says:

    Amy,

    I thought so, too. But Mr. Donofrio specifically addressed that. He said it’s not true. Said McCain not “natural born.” I know there was a lawsuit against McCain that was dismissed. I’m going to go back and look for the Court’s opinion on that. I’m pretty sure it was dismissed for lack of standing, as well, but the Court actually made a further finding of some kind, if I recall.

  219. gatorsmom Says:

    that’s a good clarification Troy.

  220. Foxtrot Says:

    What’s this about something not making it to the docket?

  221. ddlew Says:

    Ksinde. Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 3:05 am

    ddlew…that is crazy

    ———————————————

    Exactly! Right there on his OWN website he admits to being a British Citizen.

  222. gatorsmom Says:

    I was sooooooooo shocked when I saw that on his website. I did a happy dance!

  223. flamineagle Says:

    Hello Foxtrot, just listening to the program……Links are posted above…..

  224. Troy Says:

    This entire election process has been like a bad episode from the freakin Twilite Zone

  225. ddlew Says:

    gatorsmom Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 3:08 am

    I was sooooooooo shocked when I saw that on his website. I did a happy dance!

    ——————————————–

    Me too. About the same time you responded to me in the chat room! 🙂

  226. amy Says:

    sba, yes, McCain provided his vaulted BC anyway.

  227. Foxtrot Says:

    Amy, the McCain challenge to citizenship was dismissed because of the standing issue as well. This I am certain of. However, McCain immediately provided his long version of his birth certificate to prove he had nothing to hide. What a refreshing change!

  228. Troy Says:

    Obama will try to use the resolution as an out

  229. amy Says:

    Foxtrot, Yes, McCain never tries to hide anything. He even posted ALL his contributions, unlike THE ONE.

  230. Foxtrot Says:

    We have known he admits to having the Kenyan father and all. It also really doesn’t matter if he was born in Kenya or Hawaii. The REAL citizenship issue is when he was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather. Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship so Obama and his mother would have had to give up their U.S. citizenship. The only way Obama could have regained it was to take the oath at 18. There is no record of that. Even if he did take the oath, he would be a “naturalized” citizen at that point, and still ineligible to be POTUS!

  231. ddlew Says:

    The pig has no lipstick…The pig has no lipstick…

    Code 4

  232. Foxtrot Says:

    Congress voted that all military personnel who have children while on U.S. bases, as long as both parents are U.S. citizens, will be considered citizens of the United States as military bases are considered U.S. soil. Also, they did not want to penalize those who were serving their country abroad.

  233. amy Says:

    At the very least, I hope Clarence Thomas accepts the emergency stay and has 3 others join him in agreement (Rule Of Four)..

  234. flamineagle Says:

    It’s called green back justice……welcome to my world Leo!

    If you can’t afford a high power lawyer, you don’t get justice.

  235. Foxtrot Says:

    By the time I get the info to find the radio program, it will be over. Someone please let me know what is going on.

  236. amy Says:

    ddlew, you sending out codes. are ya?

  237. thinkingmom11 Says:

    I think, from what this guy is saying, that if Obama is not a natural born citizen based on his (Leo’s) theory, then McCain would not be eligible either. Then what??? Are we stuck with VP candidates? New election? One of the other bozos that were on the ballot?! What would be next – this is gonna be a wild ride.

    Wooooo – now he is talking TREASON!! re: those who have colluded to get someone into power who they knew was ineligible….

  238. Ksinde. Says:

    i am on hold to talk to leo

  239. amy Says:

    OMG! Treason?

  240. Foxtrot Says:

    I don’t know how he thinks McCain would be bundled in with Obama’s situation considering both his parents were U.S. citizens and he was born on a military base!

  241. flamineagle Says:

    Of course, they are causing delays after delays. Until the last minute. Then if this does ever get out to the public now, after Obama was elected…Man there goes my theory again about Martial law and suspending the constitution due to all the riots and chaos.

  242. Foxtrot Says:

    YOU GO BLOGGERS! I will wait for updates from you all.

  243. Troy Says:

    He was insuating treason on the part of the clerk

  244. ddlew Says:

    amy Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 3:15 am

    ddlew, you sending out codes. are ya?

    —————————————————

    Ssssshhhhhh

    They might hear us.

    The chicken has no road to cross.

    The chicken has NO road to cross.

  245. Foxtrot Says:

    What was the information about the delay in getting what case on what docket?

  246. thinkingmom11 Says:

    There is our Ksinde!!!

  247. Ksinde. Says:

    omg…lol…i froze

  248. Troy Says:

    The chicken has no road to cross.

    The chicken has NO road to cross.

    the monkey is in the boat
    the cow jumped over the moon

  249. gatorsmom Says:

    go ksinde go!

  250. Ksinde. Says:

    i fooze, my mouth wouldn’t move

  251. Foxtrot Says:

    Troy? What the? Okay, I’ll join in . . . The Emperor has no Clothes!

  252. Tenacity Says:

    Ks,
    Don’t ask him if Cell phone #s can be cloned.

  253. Troy Says:

    lmao

  254. Ksinde. Says:

    someone else call i got on in 2 minutes

  255. thinkingmom11 Says:

    He thinks that McCain was conferred citizenship or was given citizenship through statute. He also argues that US military bases overseas ARE NOT considered American soil.

  256. ddlew Says:

    I think we need a new thread.

  257. sba1872 Says:

    I think the point is that neither McCain nor Obama is “natural born” as opposed to a citizen. But the judge who dismissed the suit against McCain went further in his opinion. Couldn’t find the opinion pdf, but there’s a summary here: http://legaltimes.typepad.com/blt/2008/09/judge-rules-mcc.html

  258. amy Says:

    no ddlew, i think the chickens are coming home to roost.

  259. Ksinde. Says:

    shut up tena…lol

  260. Foxtrot Says:

    Thanks, Thinking Mom, for the updates! Keep em coming!

  261. Ksinde. Says:

    888-447-0270

  262. thinkingmom11 Says:

    I wonder if there are any primary documents regarding the natural born citizenship issue from back during the Constitutional Convention. That would be an interesting study.

  263. Tenacity Says:

    ddlew,
    Were you the Obama Supporter that wrote the letter to Korir?

  264. gatorsmom Says:

    ksinde you did just fine – good to hear your voice! 🙂

  265. calstatecon Says:

    Why would McCain be out? Both his parents are US citizens.

  266. Ksinde. Says:

    i think we should flood thomas with letters or emails

  267. gatorsmom Says:

    calstatecon – leo says there is state dept manual for US citizens working abroad that says they would be citizens but not “natural born” citizens.

  268. gatorsmom Says:

    he says mccain born in Panama, so regardless of 2 US citizen parents he’s not natural born… I disagree but need to do research.

  269. calstatecon Says:

    My son was born in Germany.
    His BC says “US citizen born abroad”
    It was issued by the state dept.

  270. Tenacity Says:

    Ks,
    I just got back and heard one lady before this one. Was that you?

  271. amy Says:

    gatorsmom, but that might be so, but it shouldnt be that way for people working for our country, the military.

  272. Ksinde. Says:

    you go leo…right on…learn what it is to be an american if you don’t know

  273. gatorsmom Says:

    ksinde asked about mccain since he was born on US base in Panama. was that the call you heard tenacity?

  274. sba1872 Says:

    calstate:

    Per Attorney Donofrio, because “natural born” means born in the USA to two American parents. Period.

  275. gatorsmom Says:

    I agree Amy!!

  276. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Calstate – His arguement is that the Founding Fathers had a specific idea as to what a natural born citizen is: Someone born on the soil of the United States, without divided loyalties. There is military documentation that he claims states that ‘contrary to popular belief, military installations in foreign countries are not considered American soil.’

  277. Ksinde. Says:

    judge leo fax # 2024792971

  278. Ksinde. Says:

    judge thomas fax # 2024792971

  279. gatorsmom Says:

    calstatecon Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 3:28 am

    My son was born in Germany.
    His BC says “US citizen born abroad”
    It was issued by the state dept.

    Yup, leo would say your son can’t be POTUS someday. I don’t agree with leo on that but need to do research on it.

  280. Tenacity Says:

    gatorsmom Says:

    November 18, 2008 at 3:28 am
    he says mccain born in Panama, so regardless of 2 US citizen parents he’s not natural born… I disagree but need to do research.

    —————

    According to TD Blog article that Troy posted earlier, 2 US Citizen Parents does the trick.

  281. calstatecon Says:

    So, going by that.
    An illegal could sneak across the border, have a kid that can become
    president.
    But my son, born on US military installation, to two US citizens, cannot?

  282. amy Says:

    Wow! If THE ONE and McCain, neither of them, are unelligible for presidency, I guess we will have to settle for 4 more years of Bush. LOL!

  283. sba1872 Says:

    calstate:

    So according to Mr. Donofrio, your son is most certainly a US citizen, but would not be eligible to become US President. Is that right?

  284. gatorsmom Says:

    lol ksinde – Judge Leo. That would be cool. This guy sounds like he really has his you know what together!

  285. calstatecon Says:

    Let me look that one up.
    I have a relative that is a lawyer, and she says he can.
    Be back in a few.

  286. Ksinde. Says:

    Write this down and email to all the bc issue supporters you know to fax justice thomas to tell him the american people what to know the truth

    Judge Thomas Fax # 202-479-2971

  287. sba1872 Says:

    An illegal is not a US citizen, so no. An illegal’s son would not be eligible for the presidency.

  288. amy Says:

    ddlew, did you run out of animals?

  289. ddlew Says:

    Tenacity Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 3:24 am

    ddlew,
    Were you the Obama Supporter that wrote the letter to Korir?

    ———————————————–

    Obama supporter??????

    I oughta wash your mouth out!

    Nope. I am definitely NOT an Obama supporter.

    🙂

  290. flamineagle Says:

    I bet Judge Clarence Thomas didn’t want to hear this case. He may have been pressured, or he just didn’t want another scandal to deal with…

    Remember Anita Hill and Clarence Thomas Controversy

  291. Tenacity Says:

    One US Citizen parent that had live in the US for 10 years, 5 yrs of which were after age 14 does the trick. McCain was already vetted. I believe Donofrio filed against both so as to present a non-partisan case.

  292. Foxtrot Says:

    Did Thomas dismiss this case? What is happening folks?

  293. amy Says:

    Tenacity, I bet youre right.

  294. Ksinde. Says:

    amy, you can download this show archeive about an hour after the show is over

  295. calstatecon Says:

    Found this on About.com:

    Only native-born U.S. citizens (or those born abroad, but only to parents who were both citizens of the U.S.) may be president of the United States, though from time to time that requirement is called into question, most recently after Arnold Schwarzenegger, born in Austria, was elected governor of California, in 2003. The Constitution originally provided a small loophole to this provision: One needn’t have been born in the United States but had to be a citizen at the time the Constitution was adopted. But, since that occurred in 1789, that ship has sailed.

  296. amy Says:

    foxtrot, he just got the case today.

  297. sba1872 Says:

    Tenacity,

    But Donofrio specifically said that McCain was not natural born either. He said it may not sound fair, but according to the Constitution, one is not eligible to become US President unless natural born.

  298. amy Says:

    ksinde, ty

  299. Foxtrot Says:

    Today? I thought it had been filed a while ago? What happened? Why did it take so long?

  300. calstatecon Says:

    Found this on:
    http://www.uscitizenship.info/en_US/faq/citizenship/ans/g67.jsp

    In many/most cases, a child born outside the US to a US citizen or citizens is a US citizen by birth (and, in the opinions of most legal scholars, qualifies as a “natural born” citizen eligible to become President or Vice-President).

  301. amy Says:

    foxtrot, the clerks goofed.

  302. flamineagle Says:

    No, Foxtrot, It’s not even on Judge Clarence Thomas docket yet

  303. Tenacity Says:

    ddlew Says:

    November 18, 2008 at 3:35 am
    Tenacity Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 3:24 am

    ddlew,
    Were you the Obama Supporter that wrote the letter to Korir?

    ———————————————–

    Obama supporter??????

    I oughta wash your mouth out!

    Nope. I am definitely NOT an Obama supporter.

    —————-
    I thought that would get you going. Are you aware of the letter of which I spoke?

  304. ldog70 Says:

    gatorsmom Says:

    November 18, 2008 at 3:00 am
    but he also says McCain even though he was born to 2 US citizens, it was not on US soil therefore he’s not eligible either… I disagree because it was US base which should be US soil regardless of where.
    ________________________________-

    Not only that, but McCain SHOWED his BC in front of the Senate in Washington.

    If there was an issue with McCain it would have been SOLVED right there.

  305. amy Says:

    calstate, someone should tell donofrio that.

  306. Ksinde. Says:

    leo said mccain is only natural born because of a statute. but not by constitution. so a law was made to make abroad eligible & natural born but was not originally per the constitution

  307. flamineagle Says:

    The clerk is the fall guy for this, but I think the clerk was told to shuffle the papers around or loose his job. I don’t think Judge Clarence Thomas wanted to even hear this case. IMO 🙂

  308. flamineagle Says:

    we are an anarchy, lol

  309. amy Says:

    ldog, but the senate are not judges.

  310. Ksinde. Says:

    what judge would want to hear this….thomas is the last stop…preasure is all in his lap now

  311. flamineagle Says:

    yepper, they want to destroy the constitution….

  312. ldog70 Says:

    For those interested.

    http://www.aunetwork.tv/

    At about 31 minutes into this interview with Berg, he ADMITS he has heard excerpts of the MO tape.

    But then suddenly it cuts out. When he comes back a few seconds later they just move on to other questions.

    Click on the link and then scroll down to coversation #75 Phillip Berg

  313. amy Says:

    ksinde, I wonder if Thomas heard the debate when THE ONE did not talk too well about him. lol

  314. ddlew Says:

    Tenacity Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 3:42 am

    I thought that would get you going. Are you aware of the letter of which I spoke?

    —————–

    No. Is there a post of it somewhere?

  315. sba1872 Says:

    calstate says:

    “In many/most cases, a child born outside the US to a US citizen or citizens is a US citizen by birth (and, in the opinions of most legal scholars, qualifies as a “natural born” citizen eligible to become President or Vice-President).”

    If this is true, then Donofrio’s suit (if considered on the merits rather than dismissed for lack of standing) will fail. What Mr. Donofrio is saying right now is absolutely true. It would be a dangerous precedent.

  316. Tenacity Says:

    The Senate are jurors.

  317. thinkingmom11 Says:

    ooooo he is getting fired UP!!!

  318. Ksinde. Says:

    amy, you know he either heard or was told about it for sure

  319. ddlew Says:

    SO THAT’S WHY MCCAIN DIDN’T PRESS THE ISSUE!!

  320. sba1872 Says:

    Yeah, or good WOMAN.

  321. Ksinde. Says:

    sba, but Bo did not have 2 american parents

  322. toonces777 Says:

    Just checked on API and see that they’re now asking for an email address and telephone number to be contacted when tapes will air.

    What’s your take on this?

  323. amy Says:

    no, the senate is part of congress. They MAKE the Laws, They are part of the legislative branch; The judges interpretthe law. They are the judicial branch. The president is the executive branch.

  324. amy Says:

    Ksinde, I hope so.. Paybacks are b****.

  325. sba1872 Says:

    Yes, but Donofrio’s suit is based on strict construction of the Constitutional requirements. He states that “natural born” means two American parents and born in the USA. He says McCain was not born in the USA.

  326. Tenacity Says:

    ddlew,
    The original post is gone I believe, unless Rosetta posted it before it dissappeared from API’s old site. It was a letter recieved by Korir from an “Obama Supporter” that egged on Korir to ask Cloud and a couple others about “the monkey already being in the boat.”

  327. toonces777 Says:

    I read somewhere that a deal was struck to allow McCain’s status to be vetted and this is why he could never discuss the eligibility issue because his own eligibility was on shaky ground. Cannot now remember where I read this.

  328. amy Says:

    I wonder if Jeff Schriber knows of this.

  329. flamineagle Says:

    Thats right Leo, power behind the scenes! A global world system…Thats why McCain didn’t say anything, or Clinton for that matter. It was a dog and pony show for the public…Obama was backed, to win from the get go. They all think the same way, but TPTB wanted Obama in, to finish destroying the constitution…I’m expecting Martial law anytime….for whatever reason….

  330. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Toon – I think that was addressed on here tonight too. That is one of the things that gets Leo’s nickers in a twist!!!

  331. Tenacity Says:

    I believe Donofrio knows his claim against McCain is a straw man.

  332. calstatecon Says:

    Sorry this is long, it basically talks about the amendments, but check out the last paragraph.

    found this on:

    http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Natural_born-citizen

    The fourteenth amendment to the United State Constitution provides an additional source of constitutional doctrine that emphasizes birth “in the United States” and subjection to U.S. jurisdiction at the time of birth, as the defining elements of citizenship (other than citizenship by naturalization):

    “All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the Jurisdiction thereof, are Citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. . .” Amendment XIV, section 1.

    However, the full text of the fourteenth amendment does not mention the phrase “natural-born citizen” nor does it address Presidential qualifications in any way and thus provides little guidance in this matter. In fact, the phrase “natural born Citizen” isn’t defined anywhere in the Constitution and its interpretation has never been squarely the subject of a U.S. Supreme Court ruling. Significantly, however, Congress, in which a number of Framers sat, provided in the Naturalization Act of 1790 that “the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond the sea, . . . shall be considered as natural born citizens. . . .” This strongly suggests that the framers of the Constitution understood this phrase to refer to citizenship acquired at birth (whether or not that birth had taken place on U.S. soil).

    The current effective federal statute, Title 8, Section 1401 (http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=browse_usc&docid=Cite:+8USC1401), first passed by Congress on June 27, 1952 and last amended on October 25, 1994, of the U.S. Code provides details on the circumstances under which persons are legally recognized by the United States to be “nationals and citizens of the United States at birth”.

    Some legal experts interpret “natural-born citizen” to mean a “citizen at birth.” Under one such interpretation, anyone who is duly recognized as a “citizen at birth” persuant to the requirements of Title 8, Section 1401 of the U.S. Code would be considered eligible for the Presidency or Vice-Presidency.

    However, this statutory argument is weakened by the following considerations:

    * Congress probably did not intend to address presidential qualifications in the statute codified at 8 U.S.C. Section 1401, because the law actually passed by Congress does not purport to relate to the “natural born Citizen” qualification for president under Article II; and
    * Even assuming that it was the intent of Congress to define the constitutional qualification “natural born Citizen,” an enactment by Congress would be insufficient to change the Constitution.

    The U.S. Supreme Court’s reasoning in United States v. Won Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)(which held that a person born within the jurisdiction of the U.S. but to noncitizens is thereby automatically a citizen) has been viewed by some legal scholars as indicating that a person born abroad, even to parents of U.S. citizens, does not constitue a “natural born” citizen. Likewise, Weedin v. Chin Bow, 274 U.S. 657, 663 (1927) recites that “under the common law which applied in his country, the children of citizens born abroad were not citizens but were aliens.” But no Supreme Court case has yet squarely addressed what “natural born Citizen” means in the context of Article II, Section 1, clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution.

    The only way for this issue to be conclusively determined would be for the United States Supreme Court to decide this precise question in an actual case. This means that someone who was born abroad, but who held U.S. citizenship from birth through a parent, would have to run for the presidency and be challenged, and then the case would have to make its way to the Supreme Court for a decision.

  333. Troy Says:

    If you ever wondered what would truly be the ramifications of an ineligible candidate assuming the office of the President,
    THEN YOU NEED TO READ THIS!!!
    It will send chills up your spine….It’s a long read, but the most informative you will find and it is brilliantly written.
    This is the person we need to file a suit, freakin brilliant.

    A MUST READ:
    http://www.newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin84.htm

  334. toonces777 Says:

    Thanks TM. I just checked back in and read about half the blog.

  335. amy Says:

    I hope J. Schriber of Americasright was listening to this so he will comment on it.

  336. Ksinde. Says:

    toonces777 Says:

    November 18, 2008 at 3:49 am
    Just checked on API and see that they’re now asking for an email address and telephone number to be contacted when tapes will air.

    What’s your take on this:

    ************************
    ATTENTION TENA… the above comment from toonces, this is why i wanted to know if your phone # could be cloned

  337. Tenacity Says:

    amy Says:

    November 18, 2008 at 3:54 am
    I wonder if Jeff Schriber knows of this.

    ————-
    Yes he is.

  338. flamineagle Says:

    toonces777 Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 3:49 am

    Just checked on API and see that they’re now asking for an email address and telephone number to be contacted when tapes will air.

    What’s your take on this?
    _____
    I’m not giving anyone my phone number, or address. Thats just very odd…

  339. calstatecon Says:

    I found another site with a better explanation, but it is in moderation.
    Probably too long.

    Sorry Rose, but the information is pertinent.

  340. ddlew Says:

    Tenacity Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 3:52 am

    ddlew,
    The original post is gone I believe, unless Rosetta posted it before it dissappeared from API’s old site. It was a letter recieved by Korir from an “Obama Supporter” that egged on Korir to ask Cloud and a couple others about “the monkey already being in the boat.”

    ——————————————

    Ah yes. I have read references to that letter but I have never had a chance to read it. Actually I just saw the “monkey in the boat” thing.

  341. thinkingmom11 Says:

    toon- no problem 🙂

  342. gatorsmom Says:

    Dept of State Foreign Affairs Manual – That’s the document that Donofrio says rules that children of US citizens born abroad are not “natural born” citizens.

  343. amy Says:

    Troy, Jeff Schriber had that on Americasright site. He IS brilliant.

  344. gatorsmom Says:

    toonces – I have thoughts on the email and phone number at API – after show is over on Plains Radio I will comment

  345. calstatecon Says:

    Check out:

    http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Natural_born-citizen

    Look in the middle of the page about the 14th amendment, there is a paragraph that states:

    The only way for this issue to be conclusively determined would be for the United States Supreme Court to decide this precise question in an actual case. This means that someone who was born abroad, but who held U.S. citizenship from birth through a parent, would have to run for the presidency and be challenged, and then the case would have to make its way to the Supreme Court for a decision.

  346. flamineagle Says:

    Notice the pattern with all these court cases, either being dismissed, or delayed…..Or some screw up!

  347. toonces777 Says:

    I, too felt the request was odd. No way am I going to post anything in his guestbook or give out my phone number.

  348. calstatecon Says:

    Sorry for the long post Rose,
    you can delete if you want. I worked around
    the moderation.

  349. Ksinde. Says:

    ty amy for getting us to toon in to that radio show!!!!!

  350. ldog70 Says:

    ddlew Says:

    November 18, 2008 at 3:47 am
    SO THAT’S WHY MCCAIN DIDN’T PRESS THE ISSUE!!
    ___________________________

    Could you please elaborate on this for me??

    PPPPPPPPPLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!

  351. gatorsmom Says:

    OK now dog is accosting me to go outside. brb – about 10 minutes.

  352. Troy Says:

    Amy, I’m glad that you read it…EVERYBODY needs to readit!!!

  353. amy Says:

    toonce, you know what that request for phone numbers reminds me of?? It makes me think of the time THE ONE told everyone to register their cell phone numbers with him and he would let them know when he chooses his vp.. Then he had access to all their numbers forever.

  354. amy Says:

    Troy, It would be great if he were one of the judges.

  355. toonces777 Says:

    Gatorsmom. Thanks. I will await your comments.

  356. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Gotta go you all – what a lot of interesting fun this was! I am sure I will be checking in tomorrow…good night

  357. Ksinde. Says:

    TENA, did you see my above comment to you….

    I had asked earlier if your phone #, cell or home, could be cloned, and is that why korir wants phone #’s. I would be leery of anyone who asks for my # with possible scam hanging over their head. You can never be careful enough.

    I know that is harsh of me, but its the devil on my shoulder talking to me

  358. flamineagle Says:

    toonces777 Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 4:00 am

    I, too felt the request was odd. No way am I going to post anything in his guestbook or give out my phone number.
    _____

    at this point I don’t trust the situation. Anyone could have hacked his site, email and got all his personal information, and threw up a site for information gathering……Maybe he was onto something for someone to go through all this trouble? idk, I just know sites that are anti the one, are being shut down, and people with any info. intimidated, & harressed.

  359. sba1872 Says:

    calstate,

    “The only way for this issue to be conclusively determined would be for the United States Supreme Court to decide this precise question in an actual case.”

    And here we are. The question is: will the Supreme Court have the b@lls to decide the issue and not dismiss for lack of standing.

  360. Tenacity Says:

    The only way anyone can effectively use your phone number to make a call or put charges on it is with your express permission. They would call you and ask you to press a code on your phone like *91(?). Obviously they could give your number out so that you might get calls you might not want.

    Korir has been asking people to email him with there contact information for a long time. He’s got mine and I am not worried about it. One great advantage of cell phones is the caller ID. If I start getting calls I don’t want, I don’t have to answer it.

  361. amy Says:

    Ksinde, You are quite welcome.. Thank you all for keeping us updated on what was going on. we appreciate it immensely.

  362. Foxtrot Says:

    This is exactly what I talked about yesterday. I do believe that is why McCain did not bring up Obama’s citizenship as an issue and that is why the RNC did not either. They knew that it might draw attention back to McCain and his citizenship–even though they are not in the same galaxy as far as I’m concerned. McCain was born to two U.S. citizens on a military base, which has always been considered U.S. soil. Obama was born to one parent who was not a U.S. citizen and one that was. Again, though, I will reiterate, that part is really irrelevant in Obama’s case as he had to give up his U.S. citizenship when he became an Indonesian citizen (when he was adopted by his stepfather and moved to Indonesia). He has no record of ever taking the oath to become a U.S. citizen again. Nor would it matter. If he had to take the oath, he would then be a “naturalized” citizen and therefore, not eligible to be POTUS.

  363. ddlew Says:

    ldog70 Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 4:00 am

    ddlew Says:

    November 18, 2008 at 3:47 am
    SO THAT’S WHY MCCAIN DIDN’T PRESS THE ISSUE!!
    ___________________________

    Could you please elaborate on this for me??

    PPPPPPPPPLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!

    ————————————————————-

    Donofrio brought to light the fact that according to the State Department’s own manual, if you are born abroad you are not “natural born.”

  364. Troy Says:

    Amy,
    are you in LA?

  365. Foxtrot Says:

    Tenacity—Your info on your cell phone is not true. Somehow someone got my cell phone number (not my phone) and managed to rack up fraudulent charges from phone calls all over the place, as well as calling directory assistance. I would be worried it I were you. Sorry.

  366. amy Says:

    Troy, No, I am in Ohio, you know, that state where all the top people are being investigated for “Joe The Plumber” and also using state computers to help THE ONE.

  367. Troy Says:

    Lmaooo…Ok
    Texas here

  368. calstatecon Says:

    It’s odd, because it depends upon which site you go to for which information you get. I couldn’t find anything on the State Dept site other than what to do if your baby is born abroad. I did not find anything about the presidency.

  369. amy Says:

    Nice to meet you, Troy.

  370. Troy Says:

    ditto….u2

  371. amy Says:

    ty

  372. ddlew Says:

    Troy Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 4:10 am

    Lmaooo…Ok
    Texas here

    ———————

    And another Texan here!

  373. Foxtrot Says:

    I am still smiling about the insert Berg placed in the Washington Post that will be coming out tomorrow! What a great piece! If that doesn’t get at least one of the MSM to talk about the citizenship issue for Obama, I don’t know what will! (obamacrimes.com)

  374. toonces777 Says:

    CEK also has my number from an earlier time. My problem is putting it on the site now for anyone to see (anyone on the back end) and the possibility of that person having this contact long after the tape issue takes a hike.

    As Schreiber said in ref. to the API tapes, asking for a phone number doesn’t pass the smell test right now.

  375. amy Says:

    Well, had a busy day, a heavy patient load.. Off to bed I go, night everybody and thanks, you too, Rosetta, for letting us use your site.

  376. Troy Says:

    Amy,
    The reason I asked is because I have a pen pal named Amy in LA who is very politically active and you both write very much alike.
    I wasn’t trying to be nosy.

  377. calstatecon Says:

    http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5ifSTJL_4o_TImFbXu5mwOqRPYWpg

    Senate says McCain can be president although born overseas

    Apr 30, 2008

    WASHINGTON (AFP) — The Senate unanimously resolved Wednesday that Republican presumptive candidate John McCain is eligible to be US president even though he was born abroad, in the Panama Canal zone.

    The bipartisan measure put an end to a controversy raised by The New York Times in February, and was supported by all senators, including the two Democrats vying to run for the White House in November, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.

  378. Tenacity Says:

    Foxtrot Says:

    November 18, 2008 at 4:09 am
    Tenacity—Your info on your cell phone is not true. Somehow someone got my cell phone number (not my phone) and managed to rack up fraudulent charges from phone calls all over the place, as well as calling directory assistance. I would be worried it I were you. Sorry.

    ———
    I hope you got those charges removed, because if those calls came from another phone, that was the phone company’s error and you are not responsible for the charges.

  379. toonces777 Says:

    Conservative in a sea of liberalism here – Northern California

  380. Troy Says:

    Calstatecon,
    That is only a resolution, not a law and holds no bearing

  381. calstatecon Says:

    toonces, you should try down here in So.Cal. Crazy!

  382. calstatecon Says:

    I know, I just thought it was interesting, especially the last line.

  383. dixieinflorida Says:

    Children of Military Families Natural Born Citizen Act – Declares that the term “natural born Citizen” in article II, section 1, clause 5 of the Constitution, dealing with the criteria for election to President of the United States, includes any person born to any U.S. citizen while serving in the active or reserve components of the U.S. armed forces.
    ***************************
    McCain’s parents were in the military serving in Panama who was occupied by the US at the time of his birth. He is more than qualified unlike Osama who was born no telling where or fathered by somebody we at this point don’t have a clue. Click on my name for some interesting reading.

  384. amy Says:

    Troy, Thats ok.. Believe me, I was NEVER political until the last few years, ever since I watched THE ONE give the 2004 keynote address. Then I researched him and did NOT like what I found out. I joined Hillarys campaign just to try to defeat him, then I joined McCains.. NO MORE Politics for me, ever.

  385. Troy Says:

    A conservative living in Cal. ?
    Lordy….You poor things

  386. calstatecon Says:

    Thanks Dixie, I was looking for that.

  387. Troy Says:

    Hahaha….I don’t blame you…I was thinking the same thing

  388. gatorsmom Says:

    Toonces – I have supported API since October 15th when I read the first MO tape story. Through all the delays, drama, and excuses. I still feel deep down that the phone call happened. I just can’t see the reason for Korir to go through all this. I don’t know much about hit counters and how valuable that is in the internet world. To me, if he were asking for a small donation in order to get info about the supposed airing of the tapes, then I would worry. But that’s not the case.

  389. flamineagle Says:

    Yes and TPTB knew McCain was also not eligible to run for president. But do you think people would riot in the streets if McCain got elected, and ppl found out he wasn’t elegible and tossed him out the door, no way.

    what do you think will happen now if this info ever does see the light of day about BO. Do you think people will calmly say, well okay thats the rule of law, and the court ruling was right.

    No, look at all the other cause that caused riots in the streets. Rodney King and the LA riots….Remember the April 4, 1968 Martin Luther King riots when he was assassinated. Did anyone riot when John F Kennedy was assassinated November 22, 1963? No.

    If any of these courts rulings now are ruled on that Obama is not eligible, or who is real parents are, now that he was elected by the people, well I just don’t want to be anywhere near the big cities when all hell breaks loose. I think this is why this was allowed to go this far, so tptb can call martial law and suspend the constitution with troops in the streets to create oder out of chaos, and new world order. But time will tell…..

  390. calstatecon Says:

    Yes, we conservatives are a rather quiet bunch in this state. LOL

  391. flamineagle Says:

    * order out of chaos, lol not oder, although this sure does stink…..

  392. ldog70 Says:

    ddlew Says:

    November 18, 2008 at 4:05 am
    ldog70 Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 4:00 am

    ddlew Says:

    November 18, 2008 at 3:47 am
    SO THAT’S WHY MCCAIN DIDN’T PRESS THE ISSUE!!
    ___________________________

    Could you please elaborate on this for me??

    PPPPPPPPPLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!

    ————————————————————-

    Donofrio brought to light the fact that according to the State Department’s own manual, if you are born abroad you are not “natural born.”
    _________________________________________

    Oooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!

    Well, wait a minute here. McCain was born on a US Military Base. That has always, to my knowledge, been considered US soil.

    As for BO, a piece of the puzzle we seem to forget, if he was born abroad in Kenya his mother was only 18.

    She was NOT in the US long enough to pass citizenship to BO. Then, of course, the Indonesia thing with the school. The way i see it if BO was born in Hawaii seem irrelevant. Moving to Indonesia would have squashed that anyway.

    I still say that is why his college records are “HANDS-OFF.” They would prove the foriegn citizenship and the foreign aid he was receiving to attend college.

    http://www.aunetwork.tv/

    Remember, 31 minutes in Berg ADMITS hearing excerpts of the MO tape?? These tapes are real and Obama was adopted by Seortoro which means BO is ineligable.

    Click on the link and scroll down to conversation #75 Phillip Berg.

  393. calstatecon Says:

    Shoot eagle, there are riots if the Lakers win the championship!

  394. ldog70 Says:

    TPTB

    What this mean??????

  395. Ksinde. Says:

    My friend pointed out to me in an email today ;), MO is the type of person to say what korir is saying she said and to call because she was so furious that a black man could support white people picking on her husband.

    IMO she is so bitter towards white people. I don’t think that BO is bitter towards white people though.

  396. toonces777 Says:

    The Powers That Be

  397. dixieinflorida Says:

    calstatecon Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 4:18 am

    Thanks Dixie, I was looking for that.
    ***********************
    You’re welcome

  398. toonces777 Says:

    Well, gotta go. I am a fitness instructor and have a 7 a.m. class so time to nod off. Talk to you tomorrow.

  399. Ksinde. Says:

    night toonces

  400. calstatecon Says:

    Sleep well, toonces

  401. flamineagle Says:

    calstatecon Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 4:22 am

    Shoot eagle, there are riots if the Lakers win the championship!
    _____
    yeah but those a small potatoes….Nothing to declare martial law over…..Look at how many countries love Obama….It is weird he has so much power over so many people…..brb dogs need to go outside to do their business….

  402. Ksinde. Says:

    Eagle, i think you will like this. Sry so long:

    Andy Rooney said on ’60 Minutes’ a few weeks back:

    ‘I don’t think being a minority makes you a victim of anything except numbers. The only things I can think of that are truly discriminatory are things like the United Negro College Fund, Jet Magazine, Black Entertainment Television, and Miss Black America. Try to have things like the United Caucasian College Fund, Cloud Magazine, White Entertainment Television, or Miss White America; and see what happens…Jesse Jackson will be knocking down your door.

    Guns do not make you a killer. I think killing makes you a killer. You can kill someone with a baseball bat or a car, but no one is trying to ban you from driving to the ball game.

    I believe they are called the Boy Scouts for a reason, which is why there are no girls allowed. Girls belong in the Girl Scouts! ARE YOU LISTENING MARTHA BURKE ?

    I think that if you feel homosexuality is wrong, it is not a phobia, it is an opinion.

    I have the right ‘NOT’ to be tolerant of others because they are different, weird, or tick me off.

    When 70% of the people who get arrested are black, in cities where 70% of the population is black, that is not racial profiling; it is the Law of Probability.

    I believe that if you are selling me a milk shake, a pack of cigarettes, a newspaper or a hotel room, you must do it in English! As a matter of fact, if you want to be an American citizen, you should have to speak English!

    My father and grandfather didn’t die in vain so you can leave the countries you were born in to come over and disrespect ours.

    I think the police should have every right to shoot you if you threaten them after they tell you to stop. If you can’t understand the word ‘freeze’ or ‘stop’ in English, see the above lines.

    I don’t think just because you were not born in this country, you are qualified for any special loan programs, government sponsored bank loans or tax breaks, etc.., so you can open a hotel, coffee shop, trinket store, or any other business.

    We did not go to the aid of certain foreign countries and risk our lives in wars to defend their freedoms, so that decades later they could come over here and tell us our constitution is a living document; and open to their interpretations.

    I don’t hate the rich I don’t pity the poor

    I know pro wrestling is fake, but so are movies and television. That doesn’t stop you from watching them.

    I think Bill Gates has every right to keep every penny he made and continue to make more. If it ticks you off, go and invent the next operating system that’s better, and put your name on the building.

    It doesn’t take a whole village to raise a child right, but it does take a parent to stand up to the kid; and smack their little behinds when necessary, and say ‘NO!’

    I think tattoos and piercing are fine if you want them, but please don’ t pretend they are a political statement. And, please, stay home until that new lip ring heals. I don’t want to look at your ugly infected mouth as you serve me French fries!

    I am sick of ‘Political Correctness.’ I know a lot of black people, and not a single one of them was born in Africa; so how can they be ‘African-Americans’? Besides, Africa is a continent. I don’t go around saying I am a European-American because my great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was from Europe. I am proud to be from America and nowhere else.

    And if you don’t like my point of view, tough…

    I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG, OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC, FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL!

    I was asked to send this on if I agree or delete if I don’t. It is said that 86% of Americans believe in God… Therefore I have a very hard time understanding why there is such a problem in having ‘In God We Trust’ on our money and having ‘God’ in the Pledge of Allegiance. Why don’t we just tell the 14% to BE QUIET!!!

  403. calstatecon Says:

    True eagle, it will be horrible.
    I think other countries will be shocked, but no riots.
    It’s here in the US that I worry about.

  404. sba1872 Says:

    Dixie,

    When did that pass? I was trying to see when it was enacted. Only found this, so far: http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_SN_2678.html#toc1

  405. sba1872 Says:

    Sorry for the weird formatting. I guess the link was too long.

  406. calstatecon Says:

    Has anyone gone to http://www.howobamagotelected.com yet?
    It is going to be a documentary film. I saw the guy on Hannity tonight.

    Very interesting.

  407. Ksinde. Says:

    I so hate to post this, i got it from MS blog. It is so ignorant, but funny at the same time. I am such a terrible person, i know, but i am still posting it anyway. i have to give props to the person who made it, he had to of put some effort into it. MS people call korir “pumkin head”

  408. ddlew Says:

    ldog70 Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 4:21 am

    Oooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!

    Well, wait a minute here. McCain was born on a US Military Base. That has always, to my knowledge, been considered US soil.

    ——————————————————————–

    If you get a chance, go to Ed Hale’s radio program and listen to tonights archived show.

    It truly is eye-opening.

    🙂

  409. Ksinde. Says:

    ddlew, Leo did a great interview! He presented his case and himself better then Berg, imo.

  410. calstatecon Says:

    sba,
    From what I found it has only been introduced. It has not been passed yet.

    Feb 28, 2008: Read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary.

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s110-2678

  411. flamineagle Says:

    Ksinde. Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 4:28 am

    Eagle, i think you will like this. Sry so long:

    Andy Rooney said on ‘60 Minutes’ a few weeks back:
    _____
    That was good Ksinde, thanks for posting 🙂

  412. Ksinde. Says:

    eagle, it was a good read, i can’t believe cbs let him go on air with it.

  413. dixieinflorida Says:

    ddlew Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 4:38 am

    ldog70 Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 4:21 am

    Oooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!

    Well, wait a minute here. McCain was born on a US Military Base. That has always, to my knowledge, been considered US soil.
    ************************
    Yes you are correct. My sister was born in Okinawa while we were in the Navy in 1959. She is a US citizen

  414. calstatecon Says:

    sba,
    Here’s another one to check out.

    http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

  415. Ksinde. Says:

    gator, r u still here?

  416. flamineagle Says:

    calstatecon Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 4:30 am

    True eagle, it will be horrible.
    I think other countries will be shocked, but no riots.
    It’s here in the US that I worry about., have you see this vid yet?

    Man Arrested for Wearing McCain Shirt at Obama Victory Rally

    Now this is when their chosen one got elected! Turn all that into rage, and man, it will be chaos. And when that white man got arrested, all the blacks were chearing the cops! Since when do they cheer the cops. Heck they wouldn’t care if that man got his head cracked open by the cops. Now if he was a black man getting arrested by the cops, they would be fighting the cops!

  417. calstatecon Says:

    Dixie, that is what we are discussing,
    Danofrio says that they are not “natural born”
    My son was born in Germany.
    He has been a US citizen since birth.

  418. gatorsmom Says:

    Yup I’m still hangin on. Falling asleep though. lol

  419. ddlew Says:

    Ksinde. Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 4:40 am

    ddlew, Leo did a great interview! He presented his case and himself better then Berg, imo.

    —————————————————–

    Exactly. I have MUCH more confidence in this guy than Berg.

  420. flamineagle Says:

    Ksinde. Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 4:44 am

    eagle, it was a good read, i can’t believe cbs let him go on air with it.
    ____
    that wouldn’t happen today I bet 🙂

  421. ddlew Says:

    dixieinflorida Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 4:45 am

    ddlew Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 4:38 am

    ldog70 Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 4:21 am

    Oooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!

    Well, wait a minute here. McCain was born on a US Military Base. That has always, to my knowledge, been considered US soil.
    ************************
    Yes you are correct. My sister was born in Okinawa while we were in the Navy in 1959. She is a US citizen

    ————————————————————

    Yes and Leo would agree with you. BUT, she is not a “Natural Born” US Citizen. See? The difference is in the definition.

  422. dixieinflorida Says:

    Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”

    Anyone born inside the United States
    Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person’s status as a citizen of the tribe
    Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
    Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
    Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
    Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
    Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
    A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
    Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.

    http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

  423. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Here is a link to MO’s college thesis. I haven’t had a chance to read it but it might be interesting to someone, I am not sure who just yet though…

    http://www.michelleobamathesis.com/

  424. dixieinflorida Says:

    calstatecon Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 4:47 am

    Dixie, that is what we are discussing,
    Danofrio says that they are not “natural born”
    My son was born in Germany.
    He has been a US citizen since birth.
    *********************************
    These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example

  425. calstatecon Says:

    Dixie,
    That’s what I say.

  426. dixieinflorida Says:

    calstatecon Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 4:47 am

    Dixie, that is what we are discussing,
    Danofrio says that they are not “natural born”
    My son was born in Germany.
    He has been a US citizen since birth.
    *********************************
    These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example
    *******************************
    That is why McCain is considered natural born because his parents were military as were mine.

    Obama has no military history

  427. Ksinde. Says:

    EAGLE>>>that you tube video u posted of McCain supporter being arreseted, it makes me SICK. OMG, that just makes me want to scream!!!!!!

    Those people in the crowd only voted on color alone, they have no idea about the issues.

  428. Ksinde. Says:

    THe police probally “arrested” him for his own safety. If he would of stayed there those animals would have whooped his a$$

  429. gatorsmom Says:

    OK, I’m outta here. Dead tired tonight. Catch you all later.

  430. Ksinde. Says:

    night gator…ttyl

  431. flamineagle Says:

    thanks thinkingmom11, I will read it.
    Night gatorsmom 🙂

    Yeah maybe for his own safety Ksinde, but so much for free speech! Those days are soon gone with the wind!

  432. sba1872 Says:

    Dixie,

    From that same site, it says:

    “The law contains one other section of historical note, concerning the Panama Canal Zone and the nation of Panama. In 8 USC 1403, the law states that anyone born in the Canal Zone or in Panama itself, on or after February 26, 1904, to a mother and/or father who is a United States citizen, was “declared” to be a United States citizen. Note that the terms “natural-born” or “citizen at birth” are missing from this section.

    “In 2008, when Arizona Senator John McCain ran for president on the Republican ticket, some theorized that because McCain was born in the Canal Zone, he was not actually qualified to be president. However, it should be noted that section 1403 was written to apply to a small group of people to whom section 1401 did not apply. McCain is a natural-born citizen under 8 USC 1401(c): “a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person.” Not eveyone agrees that this section includes McCain – but absent a court ruling either way, we must presume citizenship.”

    It only goes to show that this is a case of novel impression, but I must say, Donofrio makes a good case. (I left out the link where it says “not everyone agrees”, but that’s a link to an argument to the contrary.)

  433. flamineagle Says:

    Ksinde. Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 4:59 am
    Those people in the crowd only voted on color alone, they have no idea about the issues.
    ____
    Yeah and most will say we are racist since we didn’t vote for Obama. I watched another youtube vid where a guy was asking people on the streets why they were voting for Obama. Most said they wanted change, but never said what the change would be! Then when asked again, did they care if Obama was born in Kenya, most said they didn’t care where he was born at, they would vote for him anyways because it’s time for a change, that a black man should be president…..Sad but true. My family is interracial…Black, white, Indian, Irish….you can imagine our discussions over why would vote for Obama, lol

  434. dixieinflorida Says:

    sba1872 Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 5:12 am

    Dixie,

    From that same site, it says:

    McCain is a natural-born citizen under 8 USC 1401(c): “a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person.
    *************************
    I had a better link but can’t find it. Basically what it says though is that when the Military occupy’s territory it is considered US territory, therefore any child born on occupied territory would be a “natural born citizen”.

    All Obama has to do is provide those sealed documents from Kenya, Harvard, Hawaii to end these lawsuits. He’s much more in question than McCain is IMO

  435. flamineagle Says:

    Needless to say, it’s going to be very lonely at my house for Thanksgiving with most everyone mad at me for not voting for their chosen one…Blah

    well I’m off to read the link thinkingmom11 provided about MO thesis, then off to bed for me.

    Nice chatting with all of you here. Night Rosetta 🙂

    ttyl

  436. calstatecon Says:

    Well, that’s it for me folks.
    Have a good night.

  437. thinkingmom11 Says:

    Flamin – i want a full report tomorrow!! Night to all

  438. sba1872 Says:

    Dixie,

    “All Obama has to do is provide those sealed documents from Kenya, Harvard, Hawaii to end these lawsuits. He’s much more in question than McCain is IMO.”

    Yes, I agree, especially since McCain’s status is really moot at this point. And it sure as hell looks like BO (the Constitutional scholar and lecturer) is hiding something. But the position that Donofrio has taken is non-partisan and based purely upon the language of the Constitution. His presentation is well-reasoned and, I think, impressive. I just hope he gets the chance to present it to the Supremes.

  439. Ksinde. Says:

    eagle,

    i saw either that video or one very similiar. it is so disturbing, it really is. i can respect a person that is informed and still voted for BO. But to vote because of race???? I am glad america was and is ready for a black president, i jus wish it was an honest one tha twasn’t so liberal.

  440. Troy Says:

    Everybody take a good look at this video!!!!
    It’s ok to get mad about it….I did!!!

    http://obambi.wordpress.com/2008/11/17/the-obama-idiots

  441. Troy Says:

    Wow, there getting ready to show the video that I linked above on Fox News in just a couple of minutes

  442. Ksinde. Says:

    what a disgrace that video is troy

  443. Ksinde. Says:

    good night, going to bed

  444. twinkler2008 Says:

    Hello Everyone!

    This is my 1st post here, it looks like a great group!

    I’ve been following the McCain / Obama natural born citizen conversation and thought I would post the original link of the Congressional record, article 40 of 48, on April 30,2008.
    John McCain had this brought to the senate after the New York Times questioned his eligibility as a natural born citizen

    This is what Obama should have done.
    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?r110:40:./temp/~r110yHWUy5::

    Looking forward to reading and posting with all of you.
    Twinkler

  445. j_Hunter_d Says:

    The video at ….
    http://obambi.wordpress.com/2008/11/17/the-obama-idiots
    really goes to the heart of MSM selling out the American public to line their own agenda & pockets. I can only image the amount of $$$ in Obama media funds they made.

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  447. sliderblaze Says:

    sliderblaze Says:
    November 17, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    Esq
    I was kinda lumping you in with Slider’s orginal point on the youth that voted Obama being brainwashed by the media and teachers to hate bush.

    So I kinda took your point and his together to respond. I do agree, I think a large majority of Americans just dont take the time…

    That was my point, the youth dont take the time to learn and form their own opinions because it is spoon fed to them through school and education, and the likes of msnbc, case and point.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-kass-13-nov13,0,2881384.column

    Like i said before, you’d be amazed at how many of my friends, when we talk politics, just arent informed and base their judgement off what the read and hear other people say.

    ————————————————————————————–

    Remember that post from me yesterday, well, spread this link around. pay attention to the poll results after the two videos and then tell me that obama’s supporters are informed. This is truly scary

    http://www.howobamagotelected.com/

  448. rosettasister Says:

    Good morning, everyone!

    I just retrieved several comments that were in limbo all night.

    Sorry.

    First commenters should be able to post at will now.

    It’s 6:56 AM Mountain Time

    Total Views for 11/17

    8407

    Going to make the rounds and try and catch up.

    I’ll let you know when there’s a new thread.

    Until later.

    Rose

  449. rosettasister Says:

    New Thread:

    https://rosettasister.wordpress.com/2008/11/18/%e2%80%9cto-the-readers-doing-the-right-thng-about-what%c2%a8we-promised-you%e2%80%9d/

  450. dixieinflorida Says:

    twinkler2008 Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 6:07 am

    This is what Obama should have done.
    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?r110:40:./temp/~r110yHWUy5::
    ***************************
    Could you re-check your link please as that one doesn’t go anywhere
    ************************************
    Remember that post from me yesterday, well, spread this link around. pay attention to the poll results after the two videos and then tell me that obama’s supporters are informed. This is truly scary

    http://www.howobamagotelected.com/
    ***********************************
    Total morons and just what I ran into in my local area(which btw voted 2-1 against Osama) Dam little Cuba(aka Miami area) that turned my state blue

  451. PeppermintPatty777 Says:

    Hi Everyone! It’s good to see all of your familiar “faces”. Anyone want to give me the lowdown on what’s going on with Mr. K and the “MO tape saga”?

    Susan

  452. dixieinflorida Says:

    http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/11/16/alan-keyes-files-lawsuit-over-obama-eligibility/

    Alan Keyes lawsuit

  453. rosettasister Says:

    # rosettasister Says:
    November 18, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    New Thread:

    https://rosettasister.wordpress.com/2008/11/18/%e2%80%9cto-the-readers-doing-the-right-thng-about-what%c2%a8we-promised-you%e2%80%9d/

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